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Speaker 5: continue into this Week three.
Speaker 3: Already kind of crazy to say Week three, yemens moving.
Speaker 5: We three match up with the Baltimore Ravens and the
Speaker 5: Raining MVP coming to town.
Speaker 3: Today is of course a Wednesday, which means.
Speaker 5: We're doing the Dallas Defensive preview and there's a lot
Speaker 5: to talk about whenever it comes to this defense. Mike
Speaker 5: zimmer System, some different elements to it, but also how
Speaker 5: the hell do you slow down Lamar Jackson, Derek Zay
Speaker 5: Flowers after what just happened to you on Sunday as well,
Speaker 5: so to look forward to today.
Speaker 6: Lots of juicy questions on the rundown today. Yeah I
Speaker 6: like it, Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 7: It's quite delectable. It's delicious. I have some of this
Speaker 7: and of that.
Speaker 6: Some spicy takes on the way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's gonna give fun.
Speaker 3: Got some candy corn to pick from?
Speaker 7: I don't Yeah.
Speaker 6: Time, whoa, that's the close to Halloween here, so I know.
Speaker 5: Patrick decided to throw out on Twitter yesterday that he
Speaker 5: despises everybody that ever is eating candy cornings and he
Speaker 5: he hates candy cornators and then diss Then somehow on
Speaker 5: the back half of it, my name gets tagged in it.
Speaker 5: You said that seems like something Kyle would eat. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I mean you seem like maybe in October. I mean,
Speaker 5: and you is that because.
Speaker 8: No, no, not absolutely not, but I like that A
Speaker 8: bar was a bar clear rim shot.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 8: I mean candy corn is gross. It's uh and anyone
Speaker 8: who chooses to devour that might as well, like I
Speaker 8: said on Twitter, might as well start eating candles and
Speaker 8: just skip the four plate candles, crayons, all of the candles.
Speaker 7: Do you also eat black jelly beans.
Speaker 3: Black jelly beans like the Lakers the uh, they're not
Speaker 3: my favorite.
Speaker 9: But if it's part of a pack, sure, poverty, sir,
Speaker 9: are we going back to the booty bread and we're
Speaker 9: going back to the ends of the bread well again
Speaker 9: in that direction.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is, if you eat candy corn and
Speaker 8: you could be a you could be a good human
Speaker 8: being and all other facets of your life. You could
Speaker 8: be charitable, you could be philipropic, you could be you know,
Speaker 8: father of triplets, great mom, great dad, great brother, sister.
Speaker 8: You could be fantastic in the community. And for that,
Speaker 8: I thank you. You're a wonderful human being. But if
Speaker 8: you eat candy corn, you disgusted me that in that instance,
Speaker 8: Once you stop eating it and you're done, then we're
Speaker 8: good to get.
Speaker 3: So you don't despise them.
Speaker 7: You're disgusted by Yeah, I'm disgusted by them. And it's
Speaker 7: it's moment to moment.
Speaker 8: So as soon as the moment that you're done eating
Speaker 8: that passes, then you no longer discussed me.
Speaker 7: It's it's really just simple.
Speaker 5: This won't be the last time we talked about this
Speaker 5: before Halloween, but I.
Speaker 8: Will say for you will also say this, take your
Speaker 8: Christmas decorations down. Have some respect for Halloween, Christmas, for
Speaker 8: christ people.
Speaker 6: People they have at Walmart, they're going to have the ways.
Speaker 10: Of course, because you're getting to Christmas. No one's putting
Speaker 10: that up. Yeah, are they?
Speaker 7: People? They are putting that up, sir.
Speaker 10: That's ridiculous that that the a little it's a little soon.
Speaker 10: But I will say I don't think they're awful people.
Speaker 10: Patrick Patrick does this thing on Twitter where it's like
Speaker 10: every three or four days, like just one thing that
Speaker 10: anyone will be like, oh, that's gross. I don't like
Speaker 10: candy corn. He's like, this is the most disgusting thing
Speaker 10: I've ever seen in my days.
Speaker 6: And like Patrick is prompted.
Speaker 8: It's unprompted. There's no one that provokes. Its just something that.
Speaker 6: Person be like, you know what, I don't really like
Speaker 6: candy corn very much. Patrick's absolutely just.
Speaker 8: Like because I wells, I love what I like and
Speaker 8: I hate what I don't.
Speaker 7: It's just kind of how we goes.
Speaker 6: Hey man, more power to I love that for you.
Speaker 8: You're all or nothing. All of that's ALLID is. That's
Speaker 8: how life has to be. You have to go all
Speaker 8: in or you pull all out, don't you do it?
Speaker 8: WHOA don't you do?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 3: Wild for.
Speaker 8: Losing notes of slim to day because obviously we're coming
Speaker 8: off of an nonpractice day for the Cowboys. They will
Speaker 8: get back to practice today, being Wednesday, September eighteenth.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but we're looking to see what Jake Ferguson's progress
Speaker 8: looks like effective today. He's trending in the right direction.
Speaker 8: He had a quote unquote good workout on Monday, per
Speaker 8: head coach Mike McCarthy, So that's a positive. His needle
Speaker 8: is pointing in the right direction for him getting back
Speaker 8: on the field against the Ravens. Knock on wood barring
Speaker 8: any type of setback this week. As far as Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 8: TBD owner and general manager Jerry Jones tote one O
Speaker 8: five to three the fan on Tuesday that he doesn't
Speaker 8: see it in consideration quite yet. But I will again
Speaker 8: state that that comment was made on Tuesday, and there's
Speaker 8: several days for the team to change their mind for
Speaker 8: whatever reason, So we'll see how that goes. Outside of that,
Speaker 8: the Cowboys came out of which was one of the
Speaker 8: only good things they came out of Sunday's matchup against
Speaker 8: the Saints completely healthy, had a little bit of a
Speaker 8: scare with Zach Martin, so expect to see Zach Martin
Speaker 8: on He did not participate portion of today's practice, but
Speaker 8: it's likely because he often rests on Wednesday anyway, so
Speaker 8: they're likely treated as a veteran rest day. He did
Speaker 8: return to the game, so that's a good sign as
Speaker 8: far as his proagnosi is going forward. I don't think
Speaker 8: it's anything major or even anything minor that he needs
Speaker 8: to deal with.
Speaker 5: So so on Thursday, that's where we'll get our real
Speaker 5: first look because he's not gonna practice Wednesday because or
Speaker 5: today because of the that day correct and he's gonna
Speaker 5: sit down, set out regardless. That's what Mia McCarthy said Monday.
Speaker 5: But tomorrow, based off of what he does, that's gonna
Speaker 5: be your big tell.
Speaker 7: That's gonna be telling what if he's limited.
Speaker 8: I'm fine with him being limited because it just means
Speaker 8: that he's Yeah, it's a ramp up, he's a veteran
Speaker 8: there being precautious and there's no issue with that. Honestly,
Speaker 8: if if Zach Martin was d and P on Thursday,
Speaker 8: that still wouldn't throw me back in my chair because again,
Speaker 8: it's Zach Martin and you're resting him, and the fact
Speaker 8: that he came back to the game and played is
Speaker 8: what really I would be harping on what.
Speaker 3: Would be the timeline of a d m P.
Speaker 7: Would it be? Would have to take?
Speaker 8: Okay, so Friday's d if he's If he's d m P,
Speaker 8: I'm not counting today because it's a rest date. If
Speaker 8: it's Thursday and Friday d m P, then I'm not
Speaker 8: going to hit the panic button because they do have
Speaker 8: Saturday's practice. But definitely then I'll kind of perk up
Speaker 8: and be like, oh, well, what's going on here? Because
Speaker 8: also what's going to happen on Friday is we're going
Speaker 8: to get the final injury report. So if he has
Speaker 8: a game status, uh, even if it's questionable, then it's like, okay, Well.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if it was questionable.
Speaker 7: No, if it's questionable in combination with two with two deep, okay.
Speaker 5: So if there's like a limited in there and questionable,
Speaker 5: you feel pretty sure about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I just remember how.
Speaker 10: How the Tyrone Smith injury and Arizona was handled, like
Speaker 10: like leading up to that game was I'm genuinely, genuinely
Speaker 10: curious because he was suited.
Speaker 7: Up for that, yes he was, and then he was
Speaker 7: made inactive.
Speaker 6: He was a made in active like hours before the game, yeah.
Speaker 7: Ninety minutes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because they have to file inactives. No, that was
Speaker 8: a new kick, right, Yeah, it was a new kick.
Speaker 6: But that was kind of out of the ordinary, right
Speaker 6: that that?
Speaker 7: Sure, it is.
Speaker 6: I'm genuinely curious.
Speaker 7: It's out of the ordinary.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that you would see him on the suit, that
Speaker 8: you would see him suit up, go through warm ups
Speaker 8: and everything, and then here comes ninety minutes and active
Speaker 8: and they're like, oh, you know what, he's not playing, Like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't think this is that situation. Oh yeah yeah yeah, No, no, no,
Speaker 8: just because because again Zach returned to the game.
Speaker 7: Yeah he did.
Speaker 8: And I'm going to keep saying that because if he
Speaker 8: had not returned snaps. Yeah, if he had not returned
Speaker 8: to the game and he was limited and or d
Speaker 8: m P this week, then it's a different conversation. But
Speaker 8: he returned today's rest and it was going to be
Speaker 8: rest anyway. Let's get to Freud Day and.
Speaker 5: See, I'll ask you this question tomorrow as well, when
Speaker 5: we get a better look of who's working with the
Speaker 5: rehab group and who's on the bands and who's actually
Speaker 5: performing in practice. But your confidence level that Jake Ferguson
Speaker 5: this week ninety eight percent.
Speaker 7: Wow, I am very confident.
Speaker 8: Okay, I think I think number one Jake is going
Speaker 8: to push the play But I say that in the
Speaker 8: same aspect of this is the same Jake Ferguson that
Speaker 8: said if he can't give the if you can't play
Speaker 8: to the standard, then he's gonna sit.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: But the fact that he was quote unquote close to
Speaker 8: playing against the Saints, that tells me that physically that
Speaker 8: knee is playable. If this was a playoff game or
Speaker 8: a must win. And I'm not going to say it's
Speaker 8: a must win in week three, but you gotta winep right,
Speaker 8: you need to win. And I think all things considered,
Speaker 8: I think another several days of not pushing that knee,
Speaker 8: I think he'll be ready for the Ravens.
Speaker 10: I'm I guess I'm more likely than not he's going
Speaker 10: to play. I'd say about sixty percent on my end,
Speaker 10: I think you definitely need him. And part of me
Speaker 10: is word that they might push him even if he's
Speaker 10: not if this was a different team, if this wasn't
Speaker 10: a must need or must win situation, maybe you said him,
Speaker 10: I don't really know, but I feel like they're going
Speaker 10: to push regardless to have him in there.
Speaker 8: How I would do how I would handle his status
Speaker 8: this week is I would D and P on Wednesday,
Speaker 8: d and P on Thursday, let him continue ramping up
Speaker 8: the rehab. I would limit it him on Friday, have
Speaker 8: him as limited on Friday, and then let him practice
Speaker 8: on Saturday to make that the tailtale. But that gives
Speaker 8: you a perfect blend of rehab, rest and work to
Speaker 8: make sure because he said there's no pain issue, it's
Speaker 8: just making sure the stability is there. And it's a minor,
Speaker 8: a very minor MCL sprain, so it's not that he's
Speaker 8: working through the worst possible case scenario a severe strain
Speaker 8: or a slight tear or anything like that. So if
Speaker 8: they handle it that way, then I'd be completely fine
Speaker 8: with sticking to my ninety eight percent. I'll say this,
Speaker 8: I would be I would be shocked if Jake Ferguson's
Speaker 8: not on the field Sunday.
Speaker 7: I would say it that.
Speaker 3: Way higher or lower for Martin right.
Speaker 8: Now, I think Martin plays not one hundred percent, but
Speaker 8: it's not close to a ninety nine points Yeah, ninety
Speaker 8: nine point nine to nine percent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, whatever is Madden rating is nine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'll take ninety nine.
Speaker 5: I can't wait for either one of those guys not
Speaker 5: to play knock on wood and then everybody's gonna come
Speaker 5: back to Patrick and be.
Speaker 3: Like, what the heck Patrick?
Speaker 6: That way?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's gonna happen either way. But I also qualified
Speaker 8: it by saying I too would be shocked, so we
Speaker 8: all shot. So yeah, but again barring any setbacks, because
Speaker 8: you have to keep that in mind as well. When
Speaker 8: a guy is rehabbing to come back, you don't obviously
Speaker 8: you don't want it to happen. But you know, for
Speaker 8: those of us that have played sports, you can be
Speaker 8: on track to return a particular week or get back
Speaker 8: in a particular game, and then the day before, you know,
Speaker 8: you cut the wrong way, or you plant the wrong way,
Speaker 8: or you woke up and you slept the wrong way
Speaker 8: on that arm or that elbow or that knee. So
Speaker 8: I mean, anything can happen. Hence the two percent, But
Speaker 8: again I would be stunned barring a setback.
Speaker 7: If Jake is not on the field for Sunday.
Speaker 5: That's the key right there, because there are setbacks in
Speaker 5: the NFL. We've seen it too many times. All right,
Speaker 5: let's get into this defensive matchup for the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 5: coming to town. Only the seventh time that these two
Speaker 5: franchises have ever met, because I mean Baltimore is a
Speaker 5: newer franchise to a certain extent.
Speaker 7: They've of course won a couple of Super Bowls, but uh.
Speaker 5: Five and one against the Cowboys. Cowboys have one all time.
Speaker 3: Win against Baltimore, and that was in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 10: I was there for the final Texas Stadium game where
Speaker 10: we lost a rough one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was rough man. They ran all
Speaker 6: over this man.
Speaker 10: Not an enjoyable not an enjoyable day of Texas Stadium,
Speaker 10: the very last game at Texas Stadium.
Speaker 6: But only seven matchups, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: One of the two to be played in Dallas, I
Speaker 5: mean they were there one and one twenty sixteen, two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight, those are the only two to be
Speaker 5: played in the Metroplex, and the Cowboys are one and
Speaker 5: one in those games.
Speaker 7: But oh in three or what would that be?
Speaker 5: Oh and four on the road against Baltimore. So luckily
Speaker 5: we're not going to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Luckily the Cowboys have them at home this week.
Speaker 6: What was the most memorable say luck Baltimore last week?
Speaker 7: That's true.
Speaker 3: What was the most memorable Baltimore matchup?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's the second you remember the most? Well, man,
Speaker 10: that's Jason Garrett I his own kicker.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's a yeah, that's a really good one.
Speaker 10: That's the one emotion didn't Okay, why'd you have to
Speaker 10: bring that? I know, I'm sorry, but I believe we
Speaker 10: rushed for over two hundred yards in that game.
Speaker 6: DeMarco Murray was absolutely killing him, dude. And then, uh,
Speaker 6: why did you do that? Jason Garrett Ice his own.
Speaker 7: Kicker, Gary Candy Cornish of you?
Speaker 6: Sorry?
Speaker 7: You ain't sorry? You know that's sorry.
Speaker 6: I mean you got to bring it up.
Speaker 7: It's history, right, it is history.
Speaker 3: I'm bringing up the box scores.
Speaker 6: We we've also had a lot of dumps, guys.
Speaker 5: Thirty nine or thirty one, twenty nine and you mentioned yardage. Yeah,
Speaker 5: two hundred and twenty seven rushing yards in that matchup
Speaker 5: in a loss and a lost Joe Flacco and the
Speaker 5: uh yeah, Demarcos Marco had fourteen for ninety three, Felix
Speaker 5: Jones had eighteen for ninety two, and then Philip Tanner
Speaker 5: and Lance Dunbar both had over ten yards rushing too,
Speaker 5: And yeah they ran.
Speaker 7: All over him.
Speaker 6: But shout shots for l Dunbar.
Speaker 3: Lance Dunbar, Goman Green North, Texas great.
Speaker 7: If only he could have remained healthy.
Speaker 8: We never really got to see Lance duoneb and the
Speaker 8: Cowboys got the a loot of time post Lance Dunbar
Speaker 8: trying to recreate Lance Duebar, yep, when Lance Dumbar wasn't
Speaker 8: really peaked Lance Dumbar.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So this is going to be a rebound opportunity for
Speaker 5: two sides, one side or the other Dallas in the
Speaker 5: way that they lost in Week two against New Orleans. Uh.
Speaker 5: This is only the second time that the Ravens have
Speaker 5: been owing to under John Harball since he took over
Speaker 5: seventeen seasons ago.
Speaker 7: So it's a.
Speaker 3: It's a lot on the table for both of these sides.
Speaker 5: Who do you feel like is under the most pressure
Speaker 5: going into this matchup on Sunday, Patrick.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with the Cowboys for a couple of reasons. One,
Speaker 8: Hallball's not in the contract year no, Hallball is not
Speaker 8: on the hot seat, not as we have this conversation,
Speaker 8: not right now. Yeah, right, that's why I said right now.
Speaker 8: That could change if he goes zero and three, right,
Speaker 8: But even if he goes on three, there will still
Speaker 8: be this air of oh, he can he can get
Speaker 8: it right, he'll fix these guys. Right, it's still early,
Speaker 8: they'll get things together. It's the Ravens. They live in
Speaker 8: the AFC playoffs and they typically get past this round
Speaker 8: and that Okay, that's what will happen. That will be
Speaker 8: the discussion around that. But if the Cowboys go one
Speaker 8: and two, dropping their first two games at home after
Speaker 8: what happened in January, and Mike McCarthy is on the
Speaker 8: hot seat because he's in a contract year, approve it year,
Speaker 8: the discourse becomes wildly different. It's not oh well, it's
Speaker 8: still early and the Cowboys can get it together. It
Speaker 8: becomes all they're falling apart already, and they're doing it
Speaker 8: with Mike McCarthy not having a contract next year.
Speaker 7: He's in huge trouble now and.
Speaker 8: Dot dot the discourse will be completely different from an
Speaker 8: all and three Ravens team versus a one and two
Speaker 8: Cowboys team. Now, is that fair depends on who you ask.
Speaker 8: I honestly do think it's fair because one thing about
Speaker 8: Jim Harbaugh is tim and again he has shown you
Speaker 8: that no matter when the chips are down, he can
Speaker 8: figure out how to not only get to the playoffs,
Speaker 8: but more often than not make a run in the playoffs.
Speaker 8: Right when it comes to the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 8: McCarthy has shown you that he is one of the
Speaker 8: winning this regular season coaches for the Cowboys, And I'm
Speaker 8: confident that if they fall to one and two, they
Speaker 8: could still get back to eleven or twelve points. They'll
Speaker 8: figure it out, right because like they don't lose two
Speaker 8: games in a row that kind of stuff. And we'll
Speaker 8: get to that with predictions later in the week. But
Speaker 8: it rightfully does apply a lot more pressure to the
Speaker 8: question of, well, if you're starting one to two number one,
Speaker 8: your odds of making the playoffs drop quite a bit.
Speaker 8: And then now, once you get into playoffs, which version.
Speaker 7: Are we seeing.
Speaker 8: Are we see in the version that went to Cleveland
Speaker 8: or we seeing the version that can't protect their own field.
Speaker 8: So it's just two different conversations.
Speaker 10: I think I would argue I mean, I agree to
Speaker 10: an extent, but I feel like an oh and three
Speaker 10: start for a Ravens team that was just in the
Speaker 10: AFC Championship, I think the pressure is there for them
Speaker 10: a little bit, just a tad bit more because how
Speaker 10: many oh and three teams make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 10: And you're coming off AFC Championship with as much as
Speaker 10: they did to build on the offense. Coming into this season,
Speaker 10: you're bringing Derrick Henry, you try to pep up the
Speaker 10: offensive line. Part of me is like if you go
Speaker 10: oh and three after basically.
Speaker 6: Trying to bring in weapons on every side of the
Speaker 6: ball and.
Speaker 4: Go oh and three?
Speaker 10: Man like that to me is is uh. It does
Speaker 10: feel earth shattering in a way. If you're a Ravens fan,
Speaker 10: it's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 8: So here's my question that I'll pose to you. And
Speaker 8: here's what also drives what I'm saying. This is how
Speaker 8: I know that discourse will be different. Lamar Jackson Week one, Okay,
Speaker 8: all that's being talked about from that game is the
Speaker 8: toe on the line. I literally read and reposted articles
Speaker 8: from national coverage that said, and this is verbatim, Lamar
Speaker 8: Jackson left it all on the field, Lamar Jackson bawled
Speaker 8: out and couldn't get bailed out by the Toes. The
Speaker 8: level of forgiveness that's awarded to Lamar Jackson fair. The
Speaker 8: last one is arguable, it's not arguable. It's arguable that
Speaker 8: he should have gotten it over deck, which is always
Speaker 8: even Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 10: But Kyle's argument, if it didn't happen, if it didn't happen,
Speaker 10: didn't happen.
Speaker 7: Which is fair.
Speaker 8: Do you think the national coverage would be the same
Speaker 8: for an oh and three Ravens team as it would
Speaker 8: be for one and two Cowboys team?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 10: That's general saying, absolutely regardless, no matter what happens, Even
Speaker 10: if we do happen to win this game against the Ravens,
Speaker 10: they're gonna be like, oh, well, if.
Speaker 8: Team you know, because forgiveness and grace is given to
Speaker 8: teams that are not wearing this just to.
Speaker 3: Agree, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So agree nationally speaking, one and two having a win
Speaker 8: on that on that record is because but you're still
Speaker 8: some five hundred. It's going to be worse to national
Speaker 8: coverage than oh and three from a John Hobba and
Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson led Ravens team because they're going to get
Speaker 8: all this grace and it's it's not fair, but it's
Speaker 8: going to happen.
Speaker 6: I'll give that to you.
Speaker 10: But internally, if we're talking pressure, internally, it to me,
Speaker 10: it's on the Ravens if they go and three.
Speaker 6: Just to sprinklet national coverage.
Speaker 5: And to sprinkle this into a little conversation, six teams
Speaker 5: since nineteen seventy nine have made the playoffs after an
Speaker 5: oh to three start. Six six teams out of one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty eight. This is going into last year,
Speaker 5: so this is this number is a little bit different.
Speaker 5: Of the one fifty eight teams that started oh and
Speaker 5: three between nineteen ninety and twenty twenty two, four managed
Speaker 5: to make it into the postseason, so not great odds
Speaker 5: in order to make it happen. The only team to
Speaker 5: do it since or I don't think any team's done
Speaker 5: it since they moved to a seventeen game season. The
Speaker 5: latest one to do it was in twenty eighteen the
Speaker 5: Houston Texans started owing three.
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson and company.
Speaker 7: They got themselves back.
Speaker 5: Right and we're able to push it into the postseason
Speaker 5: for Houston.
Speaker 3: But speaking of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 7: Well really quickly.
Speaker 8: So to qualify this correctly, we're talking internal pressure versus external.
Speaker 3: Pres We're talking pressure in general.
Speaker 8: But because external pressure both, it would more be all
Speaker 8: the Cowboys internal pressure, it would be more on the Ravens.
Speaker 7: Yeah, let me put it.
Speaker 8: So what I'm saying, Yeah, I wanted to Yeah, there
Speaker 8: you go clarify that for fans.
Speaker 3: I do want to take a break here, speaking of
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 5: Dallas did a really good job of keeping a mobile
Speaker 5: quarterback contained in week one. Now it takes the next step,
Speaker 5: takes a significant step forward with Lamar Jackson and company
Speaker 5: going into week three.
Speaker 3: What does Dallas.
Speaker 5: Need to do defensively to slow down the Ravens and
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson right after this with more talking cowboys.
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Speaker 5: we're going to share coming up this week. And there's
Speaker 5: been a lot of talk this week from Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 5: from fans, from experts around the league talking about base
Speaker 5: packages and sub packages and Mike Zimmers defense, and they
Speaker 5: very significant. We talked in training camp about pre snap
Speaker 5: post snap, well all of that is based around the
Speaker 5: base package and the sub packages that are used by
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer, So what does that mean, what does that
Speaker 5: look like? And how does that affect certain players? Like
Speaker 5: I know Patrick, you want to talk deeply on Friday
Speaker 5: about de Barbie and.
Speaker 8: Overshown and how it effects just Zimmer's trends as far
Speaker 8: as bass versus sub and actually, and we'll get into
Speaker 8: it more on Friday, what is base in the NFL nowadays?
Speaker 8: Because that's not what it used to be when we
Speaker 8: were watching football decades ago for these moss basis, So
Speaker 8: what's modern bas versus modern stub? So we're going to
Speaker 8: get into that especially. It'll be fun to have Isaiah
Speaker 8: way in on that as well.
Speaker 5: What you're thinking about talking about it today since it's
Speaker 5: a defensive preview day, but we want to get Isaiah's
Speaker 5: input into it. We want to have everybody really gonna
Speaker 5: dive in film examples.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We're we're gonna try and bring the heat on Friday.
Speaker 6: With for sure.
Speaker 10: And if my whole thing like outside looking in, if
Speaker 10: Demarvin Overstone isn't in your base, fix the base, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean, Slap it the base a little bit,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: There were a couple times and hard I agree with
Speaker 5: you for the most part. There were a couple times
Speaker 5: in this game, and this will kind of transition nicely
Speaker 5: into our matchup with the Baltimore Ravens and the defensive
Speaker 5: preview here, but there were times Demarvin overshown struggled against
Speaker 5: big men, against these tight ends, against these tackles and
Speaker 5: getting off blocks, being in the right place, right time.
Speaker 5: His speed is undeniable. His readability when he can find
Speaker 5: a whole shooting out of a cannon, we talked about
Speaker 5: that already, and what he did in Week one against
Speaker 5: the Sean Watson and company. All of that is great,
Speaker 5: but he still can get caught up in the wash.
Speaker 5: And I think that's part of him being a de
Speaker 5: facto rookie. He's played two games in his NFL career
Speaker 5: and I mean, what it was eighteen snaps, Yeah, on Sunday.
Speaker 5: So he's so new to this that there's going to
Speaker 5: be a learning curve, and I think we saw a
Speaker 5: little bit of that against New Orleans.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's reps, neat reps, reps, reps, reps, which goes
Speaker 8: to what Josh is saying, change your base, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 8: get him more involved because he's put he's put on
Speaker 8: some added weight to be able to take on some
Speaker 8: of these large blockers and disengage. But like we're talking about,
Speaker 8: he's a de facto rookie and he's going to have
Speaker 8: to learn how to do.
Speaker 7: That at the NFL level.
Speaker 8: And also going back to his table with Texas, that
Speaker 8: that wasn't necessarily his bag.
Speaker 7: It was more of a coverage bag right now. He
Speaker 7: was a safety there.
Speaker 8: He was a safety that transition, which is why I
Speaker 8: labeled him as the best covered linebacker in that particular draft.
Speaker 8: So yeah, he has he can cover, no doubt, he
Speaker 8: can spy, no doubt. But when you're talking about taking
Speaker 8: on some of these bigger guys and at the NFL level,
Speaker 8: that's a new facet of the game for him, and
Speaker 8: he has the size to do it, but he doesn't
Speaker 8: have the reps. So the only way to fix that
Speaker 8: is to put him more in base.
Speaker 10: Well, I guess my question, and this will be more
Speaker 10: so for Friday. It's like you have Maris le who
Speaker 10: is not a de fact a rookie, is a rookie
Speaker 10: and it is starting in the base package over tomorrow.
Speaker 8: And that's because of what the actual base is nowadays
Speaker 8: for the Cowboys, versus what the sub pack whiches are,
Speaker 8: which is why you got to tune in on were
Speaker 8: going to get into the science baby.
Speaker 5: And not to mention the Cowboys ran Nickel on eighty
Speaker 5: nine percent of plays in Week one against Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5: They didn't necessarily do that in Week two against New
Speaker 5: Orleans and.
Speaker 3: There's a reason behind that.
Speaker 5: But speaking to what New Orleans or excuse me, to
Speaker 5: what Baltimore does here, Lamar Jackson mobile, dynamic quarterback.
Speaker 3: Not always going to kill you with his arm, but
Speaker 3: he certainly can.
Speaker 6: If he has to, not bad for running back.
Speaker 3: For a running back, he's much more than a running
Speaker 3: back now. I think he's proven that one. But here
Speaker 3: he's a legitimate threat in MVP.
Speaker 5: Level caliber play all the way through his career and
Speaker 5: he's won it twice, no doubt. The players outside of
Speaker 5: that are what kind of give me a little bit
Speaker 5: more hope this week, because we talked about the weaponry
Speaker 5: from New Orleans, Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed and Alvin
Speaker 5: Kamara and all these different weapons they have. Derrick Henry,
Speaker 5: big name on the back half of his career, Zay
Speaker 5: Flowers probably going.
Speaker 3: To be a superstar, in this league.
Speaker 5: If he continues that, the trajectory is but you're catching
Speaker 5: him in year number two. Right, is this weaponry from
Speaker 5: Baltimore just as talented or more talented or where do
Speaker 5: they lie compared to New Orleans?
Speaker 10: It's different talent, I mean say, of course, is the speed.
Speaker 10: You know, he's the Rashid Shihi, you know in terms
Speaker 10: of the speed that you have, but totally different weaponry
Speaker 10: in the tight.
Speaker 6: Ends because you have to keep two guys.
Speaker 10: You got to Mark Andrews's he's on the marquee, right,
Speaker 10: everyone drafted him in fantasy, but you also have you
Speaker 10: also have Isaiah Likely.
Speaker 5: Who everybody picked up in week going into Week two
Speaker 5: of Fantasy.
Speaker 10: Granted, you know he it was almost a game winning
Speaker 10: touchdown in Week one.
Speaker 6: Versus the Chiefs.
Speaker 10: But Isaiah Likely is basically a big bodied wide receiver.
Speaker 10: He's an athletic azelle, and he's able to find gaps
Speaker 10: in especially his own defense, where he is just always
Speaker 10: open question mark, He's just always open, d And if
Speaker 10: it's open, you're like, yeah, likely he's going to be
Speaker 10: likely be open. Something about that dude is fascinating to watch.
Speaker 10: It's fascinating to watch his game and see how basically
Speaker 10: he moves in space. To me, the weaponry is different
Speaker 10: compared to New Orleans and the running attack, I feel
Speaker 10: like is where we're going to have a little more success.
Speaker 10: What about you, Patrick, as far as weapons.
Speaker 8: Go, I think the like you said, the weapons are different,
Speaker 8: and I think this works more in favor of the
Speaker 8: Cowboys because the reason, one of the reasons, because there
Speaker 8: were several, one of the reasons they struggled against the
Speaker 8: Saints is not only do you have the speed of Shahi,
Speaker 8: but Chris Olave isn't exactly running in molasses, right, He
Speaker 8: has some speed to take the top off as well.
Speaker 8: So you have to protect against two guys who can
Speaker 8: stretch the field. And then you also have the fact
Speaker 8: that Alvi Kameric can play well, not just play in space,
Speaker 8: but he excels in space, getting out on the edge
Speaker 8: with those runs, getting out in you know, screens and
Speaker 8: bubbles and quick dump offs in the middle of the field.
Speaker 8: When you're allowing free releases on guys like Michael Parsons eg.
Speaker 8: The fifty seven yard touchdown tossed to Kamara from from
Speaker 8: Derek Carr. But when you flip it and you look
Speaker 8: at the Ravens, you only have one speedster to account for. Okay,
Speaker 8: likely he's he's possession based, Andrews he's possession based. They're
Speaker 8: not George Kittle as far as you know, athletic tight
Speaker 8: ends who can also make plays in space. They're not
Speaker 8: big on yak right, and that works in the Cowboys favor.
Speaker 8: When you look at Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry, like you said, Kyle,
Speaker 8: he's on the back end of his career.
Speaker 7: Can he still impact the game?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, look, but not on the edges, not on the outside,
Speaker 8: not as a bubble screen threat, not as a quick
Speaker 8: dump in the middle of the field to for fifty
Speaker 8: seven yard touchdown. Absolutely not, all things considered. The weapon
Speaker 8: the talent is there, the weaponry is there, but it
Speaker 8: more favors what the Cowboys like to do defensively, as
Speaker 8: far as shrinking the field, playing more closely to a
Speaker 8: phone booth than an airport tarmac, right, And that's going
Speaker 8: to allow them to play a little bit more downhill,
Speaker 8: get more physical with the Ravens, and possibly you know,
Speaker 8: shorten the windows to get more takeaways. And then the
Speaker 8: X factor is the more obvious one. Lamar Jackson on
Speaker 8: the ground is more dangerous than Derek Carr. Everyone will
Speaker 8: be on the ground, but Derek Carr is far more
Speaker 8: dangerous in the air than Lamar Jackson could ever dream
Speaker 8: of being. So how do you stop Lamar Jackson? That's
Speaker 8: what the Cowboys need to figure out.
Speaker 5: You talked about the yards after the catch, which I
Speaker 5: think is really interesting. Whenever you take a look at
Speaker 5: those three weapons Andrews, Likely and Jay Flowers, and I'm
Speaker 5: looking at Likely's route chart and what he has on
Speaker 5: next gen stats. He only has two grabs this year
Speaker 5: beyond ten yards downfield. They don't throw it downfield to
Speaker 5: Isaiah Likely. Same thing for Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews has
Speaker 5: two of more than ten yards downfield after the catch.
Speaker 5: Is where Likely has been dangerous and Andrews has been
Speaker 5: not It has not been dangerous because one of those
Speaker 5: two receptions for Isaiah Likely was the big touchdown early
Speaker 5: where he went down the right sideline until it was.
Speaker 7: Also horrible angles, terrible.
Speaker 3: Angles from Kansas City. It was not a great play,
Speaker 3: but he's still it still still happened. It happened, But
Speaker 3: then you've got on the opposite side of it.
Speaker 5: Whenever you've got Mark Andrews, his yards after the catch
Speaker 5: have been less than five yards on almost every single
Speaker 5: one of his six receptions. There's one one reception I'm
Speaker 5: looking at here that's six yards.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: Well, their yards after the catch are not there for
Speaker 5: Mark Andrews, but it is there for Isaiah likea likely,
Speaker 5: that's what you go. That's going to what you talked
Speaker 5: about of these are different weapons.
Speaker 10: Different weapons, And like I said, he's more of a
Speaker 10: big bodied wide receiver with how athletic he is and
Speaker 10: how he's able to get down the field and his
Speaker 10: route running too.
Speaker 6: Isaiah likely.
Speaker 8: When it comes to Lamar, I will say blitzen.
Speaker 6: Attack, attacks and jacket attack.
Speaker 8: And I was having that thought coming into this this
Speaker 8: week in today's episode, and then I started kind of
Speaker 8: looking through numbers to see if the numbers supported with
Speaker 8: the eyes were telling me, and they actually do. Here's
Speaker 8: just one example of the science. Lamar Jackson has been
Speaker 8: blitched on. Let's see, out of all the times he's
Speaker 8: been blitched he's He's only completed one hundred yards of passing,
Speaker 8: no touchdowns.
Speaker 6: He's twentieth inst.
Speaker 7: Passerrating seventy five point six.
Speaker 3: Is that this year?
Speaker 7: This year?
Speaker 8: This year, seventy five point blitz and his completion percentage
Speaker 8: above expectation when he's blitzed is negative nineteen percent. Can't
Speaker 8: he can't take it. He gets him off his spot
Speaker 8: and it forces him to go into panic mode. And
Speaker 8: what does Lamar Jackson do when he panics?
Speaker 7: He runs.
Speaker 8: That's the second that's what you really need to defend
Speaker 8: again over exactly, that's what you really need to defend against,
Speaker 8: because that is what's going to keep your defense on
Speaker 8: the field if you can't stop him and avoid third
Speaker 8: down conversions. But if if you send that extra one
Speaker 8: or two guys back there, he's going to struggle because
Speaker 8: he can't get through his reads. And we joked about it,
Speaker 8: but yeah, he's much better throwing at this point in
Speaker 8: his career than he was in the beginning, and he
Speaker 8: can make the right one when it matters most but
Speaker 8: over the course of four quarters, more often than not,
Speaker 8: you can rattle him by sitting the extra guy.
Speaker 5: So comparing it to a week one, there's the science baby,
Speaker 5: where comparing it to week one, I mean you look
Speaker 5: at mobility. A quarterback may be comfortable with his legs
Speaker 5: more so than his arms. Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, but
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson's a step up, significant step up. Running back
Speaker 5: Jerome Forbes got some speed, got some power, but Derek
Speaker 5: Henry's all power, all muscle.
Speaker 3: Definitely a step up there.
Speaker 5: Wide receiver of Mary Cooper's Jay Flowers, I would argue
Speaker 5: are Mary Cooper's probably a step up at receiver and
Speaker 5: more of a technician of a route runner. Jay Flowers
Speaker 5: is different though He's got a little bit speed to him.
Speaker 5: And then you've got the tight end position. We just
Speaker 5: talked about the two tight ends Isaiah likely Mark Andrews.
Speaker 5: They have their own specific skill set and you had
Speaker 5: with Cleveland in Week one with David and Joku before
Speaker 5: he was injured later in the game. So all of
Speaker 5: that to be said, is it gonna be a similar
Speaker 5: game plan from Dallas in terms of defensive looks in
Speaker 5: what they did employee in week one, how they slowed
Speaker 5: down Cleveland to try and I mean it's a step up.
Speaker 5: Like I said, this offense is better than Cleveland's, at
Speaker 5: least based off of what we've seen here in twenty
Speaker 5: four so far. But is it gonna be a different
Speaker 5: look or a similar look game plan wise?
Speaker 6: I certainly hope.
Speaker 7: So that's the same.
Speaker 6: I certainly hope it's.
Speaker 10: It's it's a similar look to the Cleveland game versus
Speaker 10: the Saints game.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 10: For me, the biggest takeaway from watching the Ravens is
Speaker 10: that you were able to attack their offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and more more often than not. Danielle Fallow Fallele, Okay,
Speaker 10: he's had a lot of trouble last week with stunts
Speaker 10: and misdirection and Max Crosby.
Speaker 6: Who wouldn't have issues with.
Speaker 7: Max Crosby, right, Mac Crosby.
Speaker 6: But that's where you bring Micah in to disrupt this dude.
Speaker 10: He's not getting off the snap quickly and he's not
Speaker 10: getting his arms up quickly.
Speaker 6: He is getting like lost.
Speaker 3: Ten whatever is so you gotta you can get around him.
Speaker 6: Right, dude is getting mauled. He's getting mauled.
Speaker 10: Granted, he has help on the right tackle position with
Speaker 10: Roger Rosengarden, who is a dog who came in as
Speaker 10: a backup. He was a swing tackle last week and
Speaker 10: ate up Max Crosby for a big portion, which is
Speaker 10: why they took him away. And in that final drive,
Speaker 10: Max Crosby was just absolutely tearing up Fallele.
Speaker 6: That to me is is that's your key right there?
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 10: You send Micah up the middle, which we're used to
Speaker 10: seeing now right, you see him kind of over center.
Speaker 10: You see him over the guards as opposed to the outsides.
Speaker 10: To me, that's where you attack. Because they have the
Speaker 10: six lowest pressure percentage in the NFL currently. The offensive
Speaker 10: line does a twenty five percent, the seventh fewest sacks currently,
Speaker 10: but two of those came on that final drive against
Speaker 10: Cross being to Max Crosby, the absolutely wrecked um man.
Speaker 6: To me, that was the.
Speaker 10: Quote unquote blueprint to beating the Ravens, especially in the
Speaker 10: final minutes of that game.
Speaker 6: That's kind of where.
Speaker 10: It's like, oh, this is what she should have been
Speaker 10: doing this whole time, is attacking this dude right here.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And one.
Speaker 8: Thing the Saints, the Saints were able to do was
Speaker 8: take advantage of how effective the play action became because
Speaker 8: of the success of Alvin Kamara. But now you have
Speaker 8: a Ravens team coming in that doesn't like to use
Speaker 8: play action. Now, the reason they don't like to use
Speaker 8: play action is because number one, Derrick Henry hasn't been
Speaker 8: Derrick Henry hasn't been the king right still impact games absolutely,
Speaker 8: but not effective enough for you to operate off of
Speaker 8: the play action. Also, they feel like all breaks down
Speaker 8: on Lamar can just run it themselves. But the fact
Speaker 8: that they only run play action less than seventeen percent
Speaker 8: of the time through the first two games. When you
Speaker 8: send in that blitz, so when you send a Mica
Speaker 8: lineing him up at zero tech, one tech, whatever the
Speaker 8: case may be, there will be time to get to
Speaker 8: him because it's more of a true drop back than
Speaker 8: it is a play action. And you have to wonder
Speaker 8: if that ball is if it's gonna be handed off
Speaker 8: for not. But the question becomes, are you let me
Speaker 8: let me first say the answer spy him? Yes, Okay,
Speaker 8: I'm talking good old fashioned James Bond espionage.
Speaker 7: With the situations like all of it. I'm talking about.
Speaker 8: Just there should be like this montage before the game
Speaker 8: where there's the double O seven.
Speaker 7: Or over shown. That's what I want now, Mike Zimbra made.
Speaker 10: I'm more of a tenant guy. So like even if
Speaker 10: even if Overstone's going on the reverse going behind.
Speaker 11: Him and.
Speaker 8: Well play my point being whether it's overshown or Micah.
Speaker 8: And the reason I say Micah, and this is what
Speaker 8: leads to the question Mike Zimmer, when asked if Overshown
Speaker 8: would spy Lamar Jackson like he spied Deshaun Watson, Zimmer said,
Speaker 8: you know, maybe or maybe we'll spy him with Michael
Speaker 8: Parsons because that guy's kind of fast as well.
Speaker 7: Fair enough, bro, what a match up that that would be.
Speaker 8: But I don't I don't know that it's necessary, probably
Speaker 8: because Micah forty faster.
Speaker 7: But ten yards split literally the.
Speaker 8: Same one point five nine seconds pre draft, literally one
Speaker 8: point five nine seconds pre draft for de Marvion Overshown,
Speaker 8: one point five nine seconds pre draft for Michael Parsons.
Speaker 8: Their ten yard split is exactly the same, so the
Speaker 8: burst is the same. So all you need him over
Speaker 8: shown to do is keep keep Lamar Jackson from burning
Speaker 8: the corner and then getting out into true space where
Speaker 8: he damaged the second.
Speaker 6: And you do that by setting Micah up the middle there.
Speaker 8: And just over shown the spine on the here we are, here,
Speaker 8: we are, this is We're gonna win. It doesn't truly work,
Speaker 8: It doesn't truly work in the inverse right because you
Speaker 8: you we just talked about Marveon having trouble right now,
Speaker 8: disengaging blocks on larger guys. Micah obviously ships blocks like
Speaker 8: water on a duck's back. Okay, so you can't say, well,
Speaker 8: spy with Micah and then put to Marvy On and
Speaker 8: though you can't, right, so I'm right here with Josh.
Speaker 8: The solution is is that you threaten the interior with
Speaker 8: Michael Parsons flushing Lamar out where you have a QB
Speaker 8: spye to Marvey On Overshan Waiting, who has the exact
Speaker 8: same burst.
Speaker 5: If this happens just one time on Sunday, one time,
Speaker 5: I guarantee I'm not even gonna be in the press
Speaker 5: box and I know exactly what's gonna happen. Patrick on
Speaker 5: the front row is gonna turn around and look at it,
Speaker 5: Josh a couple seats down in the second row.
Speaker 3: And just point up to him. Josh is gonna be like,
Speaker 3: I got it done.
Speaker 7: I like it, guys, I do.
Speaker 3: I like the idea. I like the overall matchup.
Speaker 5: I think there's a shot here for Dallas to rebound
Speaker 5: in a big way defensively.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 5: Is it gonna be easy? Absolutely not? Because Lamar Jackson
Speaker 5: is a threat. Say Flowers is a threat. We talked
Speaker 5: about like Lee and Andrews and Henry. I mean they
Speaker 5: have players on every level. But when we come back,
Speaker 5: I want to talk about the most underrated and overrated
Speaker 5: player that we've seen the Cowboys defense so far this
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Speaker 5: Quickly, before we say goodbye, I want to talk about
Speaker 5: most underrated player we've seen on the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 7: So far this year.
Speaker 8: Most underrated so far this year. You know what I said,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna stick with DeMarcus Lawrence. I think even after
Speaker 8: the game that he had in Week one, there are
Speaker 8: still and this is a testament to not a testament,
Speaker 8: but this is evidenced by conversations I've been having on
Speaker 8: social media. There's still this wildly underrating of what DeMarcus
Speaker 8: Lawrence brings to the table for the Cowboys, and it
Speaker 8: is it is mind numbing how how people aren't really
Speaker 8: paying attention to what he does on the field. And then,
Speaker 8: of course you look at Week two and the majority
Speaker 8: of the defense kind of with the bed. But then
Speaker 8: you look at that fifty seven yard touchdown from Alvin Kamara,
Speaker 8: and who was that almost chasing him?
Speaker 7: Who was still yeah, who was still.
Speaker 8: Paying right even when things were getting well out of hand.
Speaker 8: It was DeMarcus Lawrence showing the effort, putting it on film,
Speaker 8: holding guys accountable. So, for me, the most underrated remains
Speaker 8: DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 10: I like it for me, Oh so, Dickie Zoo, I
Speaker 10: don't think. I don't think enough praise has sent his way. Granted,
Speaker 10: you look at Pro Football Focus and his rating is
Speaker 10: in the dirt right now because of that Saints game.
Speaker 6: Unwarranted in my opinion.
Speaker 10: I think, granted, you know that they got out physical
Speaker 10: to excuse me, in the last game, but since he
Speaker 10: got to the Cowboys, and I'm also sort of encompassing
Speaker 10: last year too.
Speaker 6: I know we're talking sport this year, but man, unsung
Speaker 6: hero for me on the defense. Oh so, diggi Zua.
Speaker 5: I was trying to look up what his PFF grade is.
Speaker 5: My internet's running a little slow, but I was in
Speaker 5: the thirties after last year.
Speaker 7: It really it was.
Speaker 5: It was very not he he was washed off the
Speaker 5: ball a couple different times, but he was also probably
Speaker 5: the most effective defensive tackle in the entire game. So
Speaker 5: I mean, in a game like that, I get it
Speaker 5: because everybody else is having a bad game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's a tough one to be different. I agree
Speaker 5: with both of you guys. I think de Lall probably
Speaker 5: would have been my choice as well. I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: with Jordan Lewis because even even whenever you're looking at
Speaker 5: the struggles that Kaitlin Carson had in Week two, the
Speaker 5: struggles that even Trayvon Diggs had from a physical standpoint
Speaker 5: in week two. You never really saw Jordan Lewis on
Speaker 5: film getting beat a ton. I think maybe one time
Speaker 5: in that game he got beat for one of those
Speaker 5: first down receptions, but consistently physicality, coverage wise.
Speaker 3: Right place, right time.
Speaker 5: He does everything right and he's becoming a weapon for
Speaker 5: that secondary, and.
Speaker 10: It's hard to stop the run when run blockers are
Speaker 10: in the secondary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Malling you you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Like, it's he's the best tackler that you have in
Speaker 8: your secondary, one of the best tacklers you have on
Speaker 8: your defensive roster, locker room leader. He can take the
Speaker 8: ball away both in the air and force fumbles. As
Speaker 8: Christian McCaffrey. Jordan Lewis, he gets it done. And every
Speaker 8: year there's this faction of fans that are trying to
Speaker 8: replace Jordan Lewis, and every year he shows them why
Speaker 8: he is irreplaceable until further notice.
Speaker 5: I might have been in that camp in twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: right up until Post's injury, the first injury that he had,
Speaker 5: I might have been in that camp.
Speaker 3: There's no way I'm ever getting in that camp. Like,
Speaker 3: he is a top notch.
Speaker 5: Player for that secondary, and he's continued to get better
Speaker 5: and better as the years have gone on. So uh,
Speaker 5: the point of this segment of underrated players is all
Speaker 5: three of those guys are gonna have to step up
Speaker 5: and take their game to the next level. Nice if
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer is going to have success in Week three,
Speaker 5: that's exactly what we're looking at going into this Week
Speaker 5: three matchup.
Speaker 7: Have in mind, who's that Joseph.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he doesn't fall into the underrated category, but he
Speaker 8: does fall into the category of I wouldn't say overrated
Speaker 8: simply because he's only two games in and he was
Speaker 8: he missed all the training camp because he's a mercenary,
Speaker 8: so he needs to ramp up. But I say that
Speaker 8: to say there is expectation that he will do far
Speaker 8: better than what we saw him do against the Saints
Speaker 8: as far as getting pushed back and getting pushed off
Speaker 8: the line. He's here for the opposite of that, right Phillips. Now,
Speaker 8: Jordan Phillips did have a very solid Week one, but
Speaker 8: lin between Week one and Week two. Keeping in mind again,
Speaker 8: he's ramping up. The Cowboys need more from him, and
Speaker 8: they need more from him a saptually, and that begins
Speaker 8: Sunday against the Ravens. So definitely not gonna say the
Speaker 8: guy's overrated. Good word, yeah, because I believe he can
Speaker 8: still impact the game positively for the Cowboys. They just
Speaker 8: need that ramp up to be done like right now,
Speaker 8: A a saptually. I like it, new work, go with it, yep,
Speaker 8: look it up all right?
Speaker 3: That does it for us.
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