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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, welcome back to the.

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Speaker 1: Most interesting baseball podcast on the planet. It's The Book

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Speaker 1: of Joe with me, Tom Verducci and Joe Madden. And

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Speaker 1: of course it's the time of year where we talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about rumors and acquisitions. So Joe Madden, I

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Speaker 1: have to first ask you about a rumor. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to confirm about an acquisition on your part.

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Speaker 2: I have heard that you purchased a fire station. Is

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Speaker 2: this true?

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Speaker 3: It is true. I purchased a firehouse in Wookspurg to

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Speaker 3: store my cars. So looking for a garage here in Hazelton,

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Speaker 3: couldn't find anything really appropriate. So I expanded the search

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Speaker 3: engine and ended up with a eighteen ninety nine firehouse

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Speaker 3: in Wookspurg. It'll hold eight or nine cars, but it's

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Speaker 3: in wonderful shape. Upstairs is the old captain's room, the

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Speaker 3: old Lieutenant's room, actually the locker room, and another room

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Speaker 3: way upstairs in the roof top. Actually is it. The

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Speaker 3: roof's in great shape. You go up to the actual

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Speaker 3: rooftop where the siren is. Yeah, pretty special. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to actually eventually do the podcast out of there. We

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Speaker 3: get it all settled down, should be able to close

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Speaker 3: by the end of next month eighteen ninety nine. It's

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Speaker 3: on the Registry for Historic Buildings at Pennsylvania's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That is so Joe Madden, And please, please Joe tell

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Speaker 1: me there is one of those brass poles that you

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Speaker 1: can slide down from the second story down to the

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Speaker 3: How about two of them each corner? Like when there's

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Speaker 3: two they're not active right now. I just got to

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Speaker 3: open up the trap doors underneath, cut the carpet out

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Speaker 3: a little bit, and then they become active again.

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Speaker 1: Which they will best deadline acquisition this year A fire station. Well,

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Speaker 1: I promise you this is the most interesting podcast on

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Speaker 1: the planet. And to prove it, we've got a very

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Speaker 1: interesting guest. It's Scott Bradley. You might know him from

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Speaker 1: his days as a catcher of the Big Leagues, but

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Speaker 1: also twenty five years as the head baseball coach at

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Speaker 1: Princeton University.

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Speaker 2: Scott, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: And I would think at this time of year maybe

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Speaker 1: I would be catching you at the Jersey Shore or something.

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Speaker 4: How you been the Jersey Shore for a college coach?

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Speaker 4: It's busy time for us. I've watched more summer league

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Speaker 4: travel baseball over the course of the last six weeks

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Speaker 4: than you could ever possibly imagine.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Hey, before we get to I have a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Joe does too about college baseball, but I

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Speaker 1: got to start with deadline acquisition. I totally missed this.

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Speaker 1: You were actually a trade acquisition. It was your last

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Speaker 1: year in the big leagues July of nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 1: traded from the New York from the Cincinnati Reds to

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Speaker 1: the New York Mets. You've been trading. You weren't traded

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Speaker 1: three times, but what was that one? Like Scott, I

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Speaker 1: don't even remember that one. I'm sure you must.

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Speaker 4: Well you didn't remember because it was a it was

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Speaker 4: a minor league deal. The Reds didn't need me anymore.

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Speaker 4: At that point, I think I had already started to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, summer league for our players, the

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Speaker 4: just think it's too much baseball, which I know you

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Speaker 3: Who subsidizes that? How did they subsidize that leagu where

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Speaker 4: You know, the Northwoods League, it's all they have owners.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be fun. It's got to be fun

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Speaker 4: It is. But you know what, Joe, the players are

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Speaker 4: I talked to all my players before they're going to go.

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Speaker 4: want to make sure that there's communication between all of us.

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Speaker 4: we just need to know how to communicate, you know,

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Speaker 3: It comes down to some like showcases, are they still

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Speaker 4: You know, Joe, You're so right. And I was very

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Speaker 4: It's not about learning how to win games. It's not

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating stuff. And Joe, you and Scott have a

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Speaker 3: everybody else, and you're not permitting people to understand and

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00:22:16,038 --> 00:22:18,438
Speaker 3: learn on their own. I still believe that's the best

433
00:22:18,438 --> 00:22:20,838
Speaker 3: way to do it. I like the idea of the

434
00:22:20,958 --> 00:22:24,238
Speaker 3: preparation absolutely. I do that myself as a manager. But

435
00:22:24,278 --> 00:22:26,518
Speaker 3: once the game is in progress, go ahead and do

436
00:22:26,638 --> 00:22:30,998
Speaker 3: what you prepared yourself to do. Little nuggets during the game,

437
00:22:31,118 --> 00:22:34,078
Speaker 3: have a method that you're being reminded about. Something for

438
00:22:34,158 --> 00:22:36,158
Speaker 3: me was the cheat sheet in my back pocket for

439
00:22:36,278 --> 00:22:39,038
Speaker 3: the catchers. That was Borsello and the dugout. But to

440
00:22:39,238 --> 00:22:42,598
Speaker 3: constantly feed these guys you're talking about literally kids are

441
00:22:42,678 --> 00:22:45,158
Speaker 3: like young kids getting signed from the bench. That's just

442
00:22:45,438 --> 00:22:48,038
Speaker 3: mimicking what they see on television, has nothing to do

443
00:22:48,358 --> 00:22:50,278
Speaker 3: with anything. They have no idea what they're doing from

444
00:22:50,318 --> 00:22:52,958
Speaker 3: the bench and the kid anyway, So listen, this is

445
00:22:53,158 --> 00:22:55,638
Speaker 3: obviously a sot of subject for me. This is when

446
00:22:55,638 --> 00:22:58,918
Speaker 3: you do not permit young players to become great because

447
00:22:58,918 --> 00:23:02,758
Speaker 3: you're constantly spoon feeding them and you're not permitting them

448
00:23:02,758 --> 00:23:04,838
Speaker 3: to think on their own and making their mistakes and

449
00:23:04,878 --> 00:23:07,158
Speaker 3: then help with the correction process. To me, that's a

450
00:23:07,158 --> 00:23:08,598
Speaker 3: better way, and you.

451
00:23:08,518 --> 00:23:11,518
Speaker 4: Know, Joe. As a catcher, you know, you had a feel.

452
00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:14,998
Speaker 4: You could see as a catcher, you could see whether

453
00:23:14,998 --> 00:23:16,838
Speaker 4: a hitter was really on a pitch. You could see

454
00:23:16,838 --> 00:23:19,718
Speaker 4: what subtle adjustments that a hitter was making. And you

455
00:23:19,758 --> 00:23:21,518
Speaker 4: know what, I've watched a lot of games from the bench,

456
00:23:21,518 --> 00:23:25,038
Speaker 4: and I still don't think that you can see and

457
00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:27,518
Speaker 4: you're aware of what the hitter is doing, like when

458
00:23:27,558 --> 00:23:31,078
Speaker 4: you're behind the plate receiving every pitch, watching what he's doing,

459
00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:33,838
Speaker 4: and you know the data may say one thing, but

460
00:23:34,358 --> 00:23:36,118
Speaker 4: you have a feel for what the pitcher's doing on

461
00:23:36,158 --> 00:23:39,078
Speaker 4: that particular day. You know, maybe all of a sudden,

462
00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:42,958
Speaker 4: his breaking ball is that much sharper, And even though

463
00:23:43,478 --> 00:23:45,198
Speaker 4: you know it might say, you know, we need to

464
00:23:45,198 --> 00:23:47,838
Speaker 4: throw a change up in a certain count, you just

465
00:23:47,878 --> 00:23:49,598
Speaker 4: have such a good feel with the breaking ball that

466
00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:51,718
Speaker 4: day that you're going to go with you with the

467
00:23:51,758 --> 00:23:54,558
Speaker 4: feel and what you see on that given day as

468
00:23:54,598 --> 00:23:57,398
Speaker 4: opposed to what the charts and data says.

469
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Speaker 3: And sometimes the catchers can't do that because they're never

470
00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:01,598
Speaker 3: given that opportunity in the first place to make up

471
00:24:01,598 --> 00:24:03,638
Speaker 3: throw mind about anything. So you're asking them to reach

472
00:24:03,638 --> 00:24:05,918
Speaker 3: such ways that they've never even tried to read before

473
00:24:05,998 --> 00:24:09,038
Speaker 3: because they've not been given permission. They've not been given

474
00:24:09,078 --> 00:24:11,398
Speaker 3: permission to think on their own. And that's the mistake

475
00:24:11,478 --> 00:24:14,558
Speaker 3: for me the game itself. When you get a team

476
00:24:14,598 --> 00:24:16,238
Speaker 3: out there that's out there to play to win. You

477
00:24:16,278 --> 00:24:18,478
Speaker 3: got level five guys. All they want to do is win,

478
00:24:18,918 --> 00:24:21,238
Speaker 3: and they understand the nuance of the game. They've studied it.

479
00:24:21,278 --> 00:24:24,238
Speaker 3: They you're talking about, they see adjustments being made by

480
00:24:24,278 --> 00:24:27,518
Speaker 3: the opposition, they counter it a little bit. Again, that's

481
00:24:27,518 --> 00:24:30,198
Speaker 3: the stuff. But again, even even right down to the

482
00:24:30,198 --> 00:24:33,598
Speaker 3: cards in the back pocket about outfielders, I listen, That's

483
00:24:33,918 --> 00:24:36,118
Speaker 3: what I used to do back then. I would be

484
00:24:36,238 --> 00:24:37,838
Speaker 3: at three point thirty in the afternoon, I go in

485
00:24:37,838 --> 00:24:40,238
Speaker 3: the dugout wherever I stood, and then I would have

486
00:24:40,278 --> 00:24:42,598
Speaker 3: somebody stand out there straight up and left field, straight up,

487
00:24:42,638 --> 00:24:44,758
Speaker 3: in center field, straight up, and right field. I would

488
00:24:44,758 --> 00:24:47,278
Speaker 3: look at a sign behind wherever he was and I

489
00:24:47,358 --> 00:24:49,718
Speaker 3: knew that was straight up, and from there I was

490
00:24:49,758 --> 00:24:52,238
Speaker 3: able to and if the player was not in the

491
00:24:52,278 --> 00:24:54,558
Speaker 3: right spot, I was able to just wave him over,

492
00:24:54,638 --> 00:24:56,558
Speaker 3: flag him over a couple of steps from the dugout

493
00:24:56,918 --> 00:25:01,918
Speaker 3: because I had this straight up already set up pre game. Furthermore,

494
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:04,998
Speaker 3: the player themselves are paying more intent. This is just

495
00:25:05,038 --> 00:25:06,958
Speaker 3: a thing out of your back pocket. We make it

496
00:25:06,998 --> 00:25:09,838
Speaker 3: with spoon feeding so much. I don't think it's appropriate.

497
00:25:09,878 --> 00:25:11,598
Speaker 3: I'd rather see guys with this on their own. I'd

498
00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:14,358
Speaker 3: rather see guys pay attention, like you're saying. Sometimes the

499
00:25:14,438 --> 00:25:17,118
Speaker 3: fastball is a little bit better today. Hitters a little

500
00:25:17,158 --> 00:25:19,758
Speaker 3: bit late. Rightfielder, get over there on this right handed hitter,

501
00:25:20,078 --> 00:25:23,838
Speaker 3: especially with two strikes. Eh, let people play the game.

502
00:25:23,918 --> 00:25:25,638
Speaker 3: Teach them how to play the game. They'll teach them

503
00:25:25,678 --> 00:25:30,318
Speaker 3: how to utilize pockets. Cards in your back pocket.

504
00:25:30,998 --> 00:25:33,718
Speaker 2: Aim in to that, brother, I am a big proponent

505
00:25:33,758 --> 00:25:34,038
Speaker 2: of that.

506
00:25:34,158 --> 00:25:36,958
Speaker 1: Listen, I understand why teams do that, But I want

507
00:25:36,998 --> 00:25:38,638
Speaker 1: the I don't want the cards. I don't want the

508
00:25:38,718 --> 00:25:40,678
Speaker 1: cheat sheets on the field. I mean, that's like taking

509
00:25:40,718 --> 00:25:42,118
Speaker 1: notes into the SAT test.

510
00:25:42,198 --> 00:25:43,118
Speaker 3: There you go, you do.

511
00:25:43,038 --> 00:25:44,598
Speaker 1: All your prep work, and then you go in that

512
00:25:44,718 --> 00:25:47,478
Speaker 1: room and it's time to take that test and find

513
00:25:47,478 --> 00:25:50,278
Speaker 1: out what you know about baseball and what you can

514
00:25:50,318 --> 00:25:52,558
Speaker 1: do in real time in terms of reading what the

515
00:25:52,598 --> 00:25:54,238
Speaker 1: picture has, the approach of the hitter.

516
00:25:54,358 --> 00:25:56,998
Speaker 2: That that should be a skill, uh and not.

517
00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,758
Speaker 1: I just don't like the paint by numbers aspect of

518
00:25:59,798 --> 00:26:03,318
Speaker 1: the game, which leads me, Scott to the technique of

519
00:26:03,438 --> 00:26:06,518
Speaker 1: catchers behind the plate in the big leagues today. Listen,

520
00:26:06,558 --> 00:26:10,478
Speaker 1: I understand everything about pitch framing, and you know, I

521
00:26:10,798 --> 00:26:14,478
Speaker 1: understand there is a lot of wiggle room with defensive metrics.

522
00:26:14,518 --> 00:26:16,838
Speaker 1: I mean, an umpire can miss a pitch and the

523
00:26:16,878 --> 00:26:19,758
Speaker 1: catcher will get credit for quote unquote framing the pitch.

524
00:26:21,358 --> 00:26:23,678
Speaker 1: And I can tell you I had a conversation with

525
00:26:23,718 --> 00:26:26,158
Speaker 1: a major league catcher this year, a former major league

526
00:26:26,198 --> 00:26:29,278
Speaker 1: catcher who's now a catching instructor, and he said his

527
00:26:29,318 --> 00:26:33,238
Speaker 1: front office not only tells him that his catchers must

528
00:26:33,278 --> 00:26:36,238
Speaker 1: be on one knee even with a runner on third base,

529
00:26:36,958 --> 00:26:39,638
Speaker 1: that if he even brings up the idea of doing

530
00:26:39,678 --> 00:26:41,838
Speaker 1: something else, he will get fired.

531
00:26:42,118 --> 00:26:44,398
Speaker 2: That's what he told me. He said.

532
00:26:44,398 --> 00:26:46,478
Speaker 1: Listen, I never caught that way, but I'm supposed to

533
00:26:46,558 --> 00:26:48,998
Speaker 1: teach that way. And I can't even bring up the

534
00:26:49,038 --> 00:26:52,678
Speaker 1: idea that we should prioritize the runner on third over

535
00:26:53,118 --> 00:26:55,918
Speaker 1: trying to frame a low pitch, even in a tie

536
00:26:55,958 --> 00:26:56,838
Speaker 1: game of the ninth inning.

537
00:26:57,798 --> 00:26:59,918
Speaker 2: Scott, you've seen it. You've caught yourself.

538
00:27:01,038 --> 00:27:01,278
Speaker 4: You know.

539
00:27:01,678 --> 00:27:03,918
Speaker 1: We'll give you your thoughts on the technique of catcher

540
00:27:04,158 --> 00:27:06,078
Speaker 1: especially with catchers down on one knee.

541
00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:09,278
Speaker 4: You know what, I think people spend too much time

542
00:27:09,318 --> 00:27:13,918
Speaker 4: looking at breaking things down on videos so much. I

543
00:27:13,958 --> 00:27:17,558
Speaker 4: know as a as a former catcher, the worst feeling

544
00:27:17,638 --> 00:27:20,758
Speaker 4: in the world was having to run to the backstop

545
00:27:20,798 --> 00:27:24,398
Speaker 4: to retrieve a baseball. You can be I can remember

546
00:27:24,438 --> 00:27:26,198
Speaker 4: being in minor league fields where there are one hundred

547
00:27:26,238 --> 00:27:27,998
Speaker 4: people and you'd have to run back to the backstop

548
00:27:28,038 --> 00:27:31,078
Speaker 4: whether it's a wild pitch or a pass ball, and

549
00:27:31,318 --> 00:27:33,398
Speaker 4: just waiting for the guy to be to be heckling

550
00:27:33,478 --> 00:27:35,478
Speaker 4: you as you ran back to the to the backstop.

551
00:27:37,438 --> 00:27:40,038
Speaker 4: When I watch catchers now, they don't care. You know,

552
00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:42,238
Speaker 4: it doesn't make any difference if a ball gets to

553
00:27:42,278 --> 00:27:45,518
Speaker 4: the backstop. It just that's no big deal. I'm I'm

554
00:27:45,518 --> 00:27:47,198
Speaker 4: doing my you know, I'm doing my job. I'm trying

555
00:27:47,238 --> 00:27:51,038
Speaker 4: to manipulate the strike zone or whatever else. But there's

556
00:27:51,158 --> 00:27:54,118
Speaker 4: you know, a risk reward to this whole thing. And

557
00:27:54,238 --> 00:27:57,398
Speaker 4: you see, you know, to me, ninety feet in certain

558
00:27:57,478 --> 00:28:01,158
Speaker 4: situations is more important than whether the pitch is a

559
00:28:01,198 --> 00:28:04,678
Speaker 4: ball or strike. And as you mentioned, I don't think

560
00:28:04,758 --> 00:28:07,798
Speaker 4: Johnny Bench or ped Rodriguez or those guys, I don't

561
00:28:07,798 --> 00:28:10,758
Speaker 4: think they had a hard time receiving strikes and keeping

562
00:28:10,758 --> 00:28:13,318
Speaker 4: the low pitch in the strike zone. You know, you

563
00:28:13,398 --> 00:28:16,238
Speaker 4: watch catchers and if they had strong hands, you wanted

564
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:17,798
Speaker 4: to make sure that when the ball hit the glove,

565
00:28:17,838 --> 00:28:21,598
Speaker 4: that the glove just never took it out of the zone.

566
00:28:21,798 --> 00:28:24,758
Speaker 4: But to put these guys on one knee where I

567
00:28:24,838 --> 00:28:28,438
Speaker 4: see so many situations where there's not even an attempt

568
00:28:28,998 --> 00:28:31,038
Speaker 4: to block a ball to keep it in front of you,

569
00:28:31,198 --> 00:28:33,318
Speaker 4: and with runners on third base, I mean, I've seen

570
00:28:33,318 --> 00:28:36,478
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years quite a few, you know,

571
00:28:36,598 --> 00:28:41,158
Speaker 4: pass ball walk offs, And to me, there's risk reward

572
00:28:41,198 --> 00:28:44,398
Speaker 4: to everything I can see being able to do both.

573
00:28:44,758 --> 00:28:47,478
Speaker 4: I can see, you know what, in certain situations or whatever,

574
00:28:47,558 --> 00:28:50,278
Speaker 4: if you know, being on a knee and things like that.

575
00:28:50,358 --> 00:28:52,518
Speaker 4: But when there's a runner on third base or a

576
00:28:52,598 --> 00:28:56,198
Speaker 4: runner on second with no outs, where if you give

577
00:28:56,278 --> 00:28:59,358
Speaker 4: up ninety feet, you know, you know the game's gonna

578
00:28:59,918 --> 00:29:01,918
Speaker 4: you're gonna have a tough time winning that ball game.

579
00:29:02,558 --> 00:29:04,318
Speaker 4: To me, you have to do whatever pop able to

580
00:29:04,358 --> 00:29:05,758
Speaker 4: keep the ball in front of you. And I think

581
00:29:05,758 --> 00:29:08,878
Speaker 4: that you're more athletic not only on balls in the dirt,

582
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:11,038
Speaker 4: but when you're down on one knee. You see a

583
00:29:11,078 --> 00:29:13,358
Speaker 4: lot of high fastballs. The catchers can't get to either

584
00:29:13,398 --> 00:29:14,718
Speaker 4: because they just can't react to it.

585
00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:16,758
Speaker 3: We see they're instructed not to care about that. See

586
00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:18,478
Speaker 3: that's the whole point. You get the blessing that if

587
00:29:18,718 --> 00:29:21,318
Speaker 3: the ball gets by you, it's okay, it's okay, because

588
00:29:21,758 --> 00:29:24,798
Speaker 3: they think it's going to be percentage wise, you have

589
00:29:24,798 --> 00:29:27,238
Speaker 3: more opportunity to catch a strike than the pitch that

590
00:29:27,278 --> 00:29:28,678
Speaker 3: you're not going to be able to block. I think

591
00:29:29,078 --> 00:29:33,118
Speaker 3: that's the logic's going to be regarding that. So they're

592
00:29:33,158 --> 00:29:35,158
Speaker 3: instructed to not care if the ball gets buying. It

593
00:29:35,198 --> 00:29:37,198
Speaker 3: was horrible what you're talking about.

594
00:29:37,198 --> 00:29:37,558
Speaker 4: I hate it.

595
00:29:37,558 --> 00:29:39,558
Speaker 3: In like we used to take infield practice all the time.

596
00:29:39,718 --> 00:29:41,478
Speaker 3: If a ball got buying me on an outfield throw,

597
00:29:41,598 --> 00:29:43,878
Speaker 3: just an infield practice, I wanted to kill myself. I mean,

598
00:29:44,158 --> 00:29:46,158
Speaker 3: you just did not want to ever. Like you said,

599
00:29:46,158 --> 00:29:49,478
Speaker 3: go backwards. And when you're talking about in the past

600
00:29:50,438 --> 00:29:54,518
Speaker 3: good pictures, glare was enough. I mean talking about receiving

601
00:29:54,558 --> 00:29:57,878
Speaker 3: balls and strikes. If the pictures of the past, the

602
00:29:57,918 --> 00:30:01,718
Speaker 3: outstanding pictures of the past with their catchers, if you

603
00:30:01,798 --> 00:30:04,758
Speaker 3: did not receive, well you're going to about it from

604
00:30:05,318 --> 00:30:07,798
Speaker 3: you caught some very good pitches even though didn't play

605
00:30:07,798 --> 00:30:08,958
Speaker 3: in the big leagues. I caught a lot of good

606
00:30:08,998 --> 00:30:11,318
Speaker 3: guys going up to the big leagues and they would

607
00:30:11,358 --> 00:30:13,318
Speaker 3: let you know, you know, if you know you're not

608
00:30:13,358 --> 00:30:16,238
Speaker 3: presenting well, if you're missing some pitches for them. And

609
00:30:16,278 --> 00:30:17,958
Speaker 3: the other part of it is talking to the umpire.

610
00:30:17,958 --> 00:30:19,998
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the relationship with the empire and at

611
00:30:20,078 --> 00:30:23,518
Speaker 3: least another topic for me, I am I'm amazed that

612
00:30:23,918 --> 00:30:28,358
Speaker 3: umpires are not more vocal about not pulling pitches, which

613
00:30:28,398 --> 00:30:31,198
Speaker 3: really comes down to it's really pulling a pitch. If

614
00:30:31,198 --> 00:30:32,918
Speaker 3: the pitch that's a ball that they pulled to become

615
00:30:32,958 --> 00:30:35,158
Speaker 3: a strike. To me, if I'm an up prime saying listen, brother,

616
00:30:35,238 --> 00:30:37,238
Speaker 3: keep doing that. You're not getting anything, because that's what

617
00:30:37,278 --> 00:30:39,358
Speaker 3: it used to be like. If you if the umpire

618
00:30:39,398 --> 00:30:42,998
Speaker 3: thought you were pulling stuff on them, framing, pulling, you're

619
00:30:43,038 --> 00:30:45,438
Speaker 3: not getting anything, man, You're not gonna get nothing. So

620
00:30:45,838 --> 00:30:48,238
Speaker 3: there's all this stuff. Isn't to relate it in some way,

621
00:30:48,358 --> 00:30:51,118
Speaker 3: but they don't care if they missed the pitch and

622
00:30:51,158 --> 00:30:54,318
Speaker 3: it's it's a pass ball, well pitch. Back in the day,

623
00:30:54,918 --> 00:30:56,398
Speaker 3: the picture a lot of times took care of the

624
00:30:56,398 --> 00:30:58,638
Speaker 3: catcher being lazy behind the plate.

625
00:30:58,718 --> 00:31:00,558
Speaker 4: No doubt. And one thing that one thing that I

626
00:31:00,598 --> 00:31:02,558
Speaker 4: have noticed I think for the better is you know,

627
00:31:02,598 --> 00:31:04,318
Speaker 4: I don't know whether they ever got the pitchers or

628
00:31:04,358 --> 00:31:08,878
Speaker 4: the pitching coaches involved, because the late movement. I mean,

629
00:31:08,878 --> 00:31:13,238
Speaker 4: I see pitchers they give the sign and then as

630
00:31:13,278 --> 00:31:17,038
Speaker 4: the pitcher is in the delivery, there catchers were jumping

631
00:31:17,078 --> 00:31:19,038
Speaker 4: all over the place to get down into that one

632
00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:21,638
Speaker 4: knee position, and I would think as a pitcher that

633
00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:23,798
Speaker 4: would almost be distracting. I remember I had a chance

634
00:31:23,838 --> 00:31:27,518
Speaker 4: to catch Tom sever when I was in the White

635
00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:30,678
Speaker 4: Sox organization, and he literally told me set up in

636
00:31:30,678 --> 00:31:32,598
Speaker 4: the middle of the plate, give me a low target.

637
00:31:32,638 --> 00:31:34,718
Speaker 4: He goes, I'm going to throw for your knees and

638
00:31:34,798 --> 00:31:37,758
Speaker 4: your shoulders. That's my strike zone. He goes, don't move,

639
00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:42,798
Speaker 4: be still and quiet, and don't jump around. I have noticed, though,

640
00:31:43,758 --> 00:31:46,758
Speaker 4: more this year that I see catchers giving the sign,

641
00:31:47,438 --> 00:31:51,318
Speaker 4: getting down onto one knee, giving a good target, and

642
00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:54,278
Speaker 4: then the movements are more subtle. They're getting down, they're

643
00:31:54,318 --> 00:31:57,438
Speaker 4: staying a little bit more stationary. Then they drop the

644
00:31:57,478 --> 00:31:59,518
Speaker 4: glove to the ground to come on up. But I

645
00:31:59,558 --> 00:32:04,398
Speaker 4: don't see as much just late, fast, quick movement, which

646
00:32:04,518 --> 00:32:07,358
Speaker 4: was really prohibiting catchers from reacting to bad pitches.

647
00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:10,038
Speaker 3: Well, what's going on right now is they're being instructed

648
00:32:10,078 --> 00:32:11,758
Speaker 3: more to stay in the middle of the plate. Absolutely,

649
00:32:11,798 --> 00:32:14,318
Speaker 3: they're asked to not be on the corners as much

650
00:32:14,318 --> 00:32:16,478
Speaker 3: as we used to do. Like when you're catching Kyle Hendricks,

651
00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:19,478
Speaker 3: you're gonna be on corners, right, Tommy, John, Jeff Zon,

652
00:32:19,558 --> 00:32:21,918
Speaker 3: all those dudes they wanted you. They never wanted you

653
00:32:21,958 --> 00:32:23,918
Speaker 3: on the plate, period. They wanted you off the plate.

654
00:32:24,198 --> 00:32:26,238
Speaker 3: Maybe a click on each side, that's what they wanted.

655
00:32:26,558 --> 00:32:30,718
Speaker 3: But today with the velocity and just pretty much less pitchability,

656
00:32:30,918 --> 00:32:34,918
Speaker 3: more velocity, much more of this kind of neanderthal approaches

657
00:32:34,918 --> 00:32:36,678
Speaker 3: throwing the ball as hard as you can. They just want,

658
00:32:36,718 --> 00:32:38,958
Speaker 3: like you said, if I'm sitting low and it's an

659
00:32:38,958 --> 00:32:41,798
Speaker 3: elevated fastball, that might be the toughest pitch to get

660
00:32:41,838 --> 00:32:44,598
Speaker 3: to when you're down there, and or the other on

661
00:32:44,638 --> 00:32:46,638
Speaker 3: would be like sitting inside and the guy just yanks

662
00:32:46,638 --> 00:32:49,398
Speaker 3: went outside. When they're throwing that hard, it's difficult to

663
00:32:49,518 --> 00:32:53,198
Speaker 3: get to that particular point. But again, all interrelated. It's

664
00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:57,158
Speaker 3: an interesting conversation. I back to the last point, would

665
00:32:57,158 --> 00:33:01,198
Speaker 3: be nobody on less than two strikes when heed's appropriate

666
00:33:01,198 --> 00:33:04,718
Speaker 3: for me. Two strikes runner on first base or any

667
00:33:04,758 --> 00:33:07,798
Speaker 3: base regular catching stats, That's how I would go about it.

668
00:33:07,878 --> 00:33:11,518
Speaker 1: I agree, well, Scott, you mentioned catching Tom Seaver.

669
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Speaker 2: What a thrill that must have been.

670
00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:16,238
Speaker 1: Nine seasons in the big leagues, and we are not

671
00:33:16,398 --> 00:33:18,278
Speaker 1: letting you get out of here without telling at least

672
00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:21,718
Speaker 1: one Randy Johnson story. And I also want to ask

673
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Speaker 1: Scott about the joy of coaching. We'll do that when

674
00:33:25,758 --> 00:33:39,038
Speaker 1: we get back. Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast.

675
00:33:39,078 --> 00:33:42,558
Speaker 1: Our guest is Scott Bradley, head baseball coach at Princeton University,

676
00:33:43,238 --> 00:33:46,478
Speaker 1: and Scott doing this for twenty five years. Your track

677
00:33:46,518 --> 00:33:50,278
Speaker 1: record speaks for itself. Seven IVY League titles the major leagues,

678
00:33:50,398 --> 00:33:53,158
Speaker 1: both in the dugout, in front offices and on the field,

679
00:33:53,358 --> 00:33:57,878
Speaker 1: is just jam packed with players and people you helped

680
00:33:57,878 --> 00:34:01,638
Speaker 1: develop who came to Princeton as young men and left

681
00:34:01,918 --> 00:34:05,238
Speaker 1: for careers. In this game, we have three general managers

682
00:34:05,318 --> 00:34:08,558
Speaker 1: right now here at the trading deadline who went to Princeton.

683
00:34:08,718 --> 00:34:12,918
Speaker 1: Mike Hasn, Chris Young, Mike Turnoff. You have Mike Ford

684
00:34:12,958 --> 00:34:16,198
Speaker 1: playing with the Seattle Mariners, Will Venable and a dugout

685
00:34:16,198 --> 00:34:18,598
Speaker 1: with the Texas Rangers, and recently you had two of

686
00:34:18,638 --> 00:34:23,398
Speaker 1: your players drafted this year by the San Francisco Giants.

687
00:34:24,838 --> 00:34:27,398
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of work being a college coach.

688
00:34:28,438 --> 00:34:31,758
Speaker 1: But Scott, you tell me and your words why you

689
00:34:31,838 --> 00:34:35,358
Speaker 1: keep doing it. Where are the best rewards for being

690
00:34:35,398 --> 00:34:36,558
Speaker 1: a college baseball coach?

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00:34:36,878 --> 00:34:38,598
Speaker 4: You know? Tom. When I was getting towards the end

692
00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:42,118
Speaker 4: of my my uh my playing career and starting to

693
00:34:42,118 --> 00:34:43,958
Speaker 4: figure out, I knew I was going to stay involved

694
00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:46,318
Speaker 4: in athletics. It was just the way that we were raised,

695
00:34:47,478 --> 00:34:50,238
Speaker 4: you know, the way that we were brought up. As

696
00:34:50,278 --> 00:34:53,438
Speaker 4: you know, my older brother Bob is as highly acclaimed

697
00:34:53,678 --> 00:34:57,118
Speaker 4: UH soccer coach as there is in the UH you know,

698
00:34:57,238 --> 00:34:59,878
Speaker 4: is in this country and what he's done around the world.

699
00:35:01,918 --> 00:35:03,518
Speaker 4: So as I was starting to think, I knew I

700
00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:05,678
Speaker 4: wanted to involved, I stayed in and I was a

701
00:35:05,718 --> 00:35:08,518
Speaker 4: player coach, UH and a coach in the minor leagues

702
00:35:08,558 --> 00:35:11,678
Speaker 4: for for a year or so. UH they asked me

703
00:35:11,758 --> 00:35:14,838
Speaker 4: to go manage Dick Balderson asked me to manage the

704
00:35:14,878 --> 00:35:17,038
Speaker 4: next year, you know, and then I was starting my

705
00:35:17,118 --> 00:35:20,438
Speaker 4: family and I started thinking about what I wanted from

706
00:35:20,638 --> 00:35:23,878
Speaker 4: quality of life. I was at my brother was coaching

707
00:35:23,918 --> 00:35:26,518
Speaker 4: soccer at Princeton at the time. I went to one

708
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:29,718
Speaker 4: of one of his games. The athletic director came up

709
00:35:29,758 --> 00:35:31,958
Speaker 4: to me and said that Tom O'Connell, the coach, was

710
00:35:31,998 --> 00:35:35,238
Speaker 4: gonna announce his retirement and asked if I would be interested,

711
00:35:35,318 --> 00:35:38,558
Speaker 4: And of course I immediately, you know, said yes, Uh,

712
00:35:38,718 --> 00:35:41,638
Speaker 4: I get to spend at a place like Princeton. It's

713
00:35:41,718 --> 00:35:44,438
Speaker 4: different coaching at Princeton as opposed to being at a

714
00:35:44,438 --> 00:35:47,558
Speaker 4: at a Power five school, where you have the same pressures.

715
00:35:47,598 --> 00:35:50,478
Speaker 4: At those Power five schools as the Major League managers do,

716
00:35:51,118 --> 00:35:53,158
Speaker 4: they pay you to the point where you better win,

717
00:35:53,638 --> 00:35:56,958
Speaker 4: you better produce, or else they're going to fire you.

718
00:35:57,558 --> 00:36:00,078
Speaker 4: But at a school like Princeton, at a school like

719
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:04,958
Speaker 4: Lafayette where Joe went, it's about, uh, giving guys an

720
00:36:04,958 --> 00:36:08,598
Speaker 4: amazing experience, helping them to develop in every area of

721
00:36:08,638 --> 00:36:12,878
Speaker 4: their life. They have other things in their lives besides

722
00:36:13,078 --> 00:36:15,918
Speaker 4: just baseball. And that's something that I just absolutely loved

723
00:36:16,918 --> 00:36:19,998
Speaker 4: about my job that I talked to my players about

724
00:36:20,318 --> 00:36:23,678
Speaker 4: life after baseball. I talked to my players about other interests,

725
00:36:26,158 --> 00:36:28,278
Speaker 4: and to me, it was just such a rewarding place

726
00:36:28,318 --> 00:36:32,198
Speaker 4: to be. And yet if we had guys that wanted

727
00:36:32,238 --> 00:36:35,278
Speaker 4: to develop and go into professional baseball. I wanted to

728
00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,798
Speaker 4: make sure that we could. We would do that. And

729
00:36:37,918 --> 00:36:41,718
Speaker 4: you know, my very first recruit at Princeton was Chris Young,

730
00:36:42,398 --> 00:36:46,238
Speaker 4: So pretty tough to to top that one with everything

731
00:36:46,358 --> 00:36:50,598
Speaker 4: that you know that that he has accomplished in his career.

732
00:36:51,158 --> 00:36:54,278
Speaker 4: And then you know, to have the Will Venables and

733
00:36:54,358 --> 00:36:57,678
Speaker 4: the Matt Bowman's, the David Hales, the ross Olendors. I

734
00:36:57,718 --> 00:36:59,278
Speaker 4: think we've had eight or nine players get to the

735
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:02,878
Speaker 4: big leagues and as you said, three GMS right now.

736
00:37:03,798 --> 00:37:06,798
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of what Mike Hasen has accomplished this

737
00:37:06,878 --> 00:37:10,078
Speaker 4: year after all the personal struggles that he went through,

738
00:37:10,118 --> 00:37:13,158
Speaker 4: losing his wife Nicole, raising, you know, having to raise

739
00:37:13,198 --> 00:37:16,398
Speaker 4: the four boys, stepping away from baseball for a while,

740
00:37:16,758 --> 00:37:20,438
Speaker 4: and having the insight to basically realize that baseball now

741
00:37:20,518 --> 00:37:23,038
Speaker 4: is becoming a game of having all around players again.

742
00:37:23,078 --> 00:37:24,558
Speaker 4: I think it's great. And you look at what the

743
00:37:24,598 --> 00:37:27,878
Speaker 4: Diamondbacks are doing. They have speed, they have defense, they

744
00:37:27,878 --> 00:37:31,958
Speaker 4: have a mix of baseball skills. It's not a gorilla ball.

745
00:37:32,038 --> 00:37:34,278
Speaker 4: Let's just see how many guys can hit the ball

746
00:37:34,278 --> 00:37:36,798
Speaker 4: out of the ballpark. So I'm so proud of all

747
00:37:36,838 --> 00:37:39,438
Speaker 4: my guys, the guys who are doctors and lawyers, and

748
00:37:39,998 --> 00:37:42,038
Speaker 4: even the guys who just had the calling to stay

749
00:37:42,038 --> 00:37:44,798
Speaker 4: and want to teach and coach. So I have guys

750
00:37:44,838 --> 00:37:48,078
Speaker 4: that played for me that are teaching and coaching. It's

751
00:37:48,158 --> 00:37:52,078
Speaker 4: just been an amazing place to be. Princeton is just

752
00:37:52,518 --> 00:37:56,758
Speaker 4: we have so many amazing, amazing student athletes that are

753
00:37:56,758 --> 00:37:59,598
Speaker 4: there for the right reasons. And I really wouldn't have

754
00:37:59,598 --> 00:38:00,838
Speaker 4: trade places with anybody.

755
00:38:01,518 --> 00:38:03,638
Speaker 1: Well, it was an amazing career that you did have

756
00:38:03,718 --> 00:38:07,158
Speaker 1: your self in the big leagues to put nine years

757
00:38:07,198 --> 00:38:10,438
Speaker 1: in third round pick of the New York Yankees back

758
00:38:10,518 --> 00:38:13,638
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one. It was actually the Yankees' second

759
00:38:13,918 --> 00:38:18,478
Speaker 1: draft pick in that draft. The guy drafted by the

760
00:38:18,558 --> 00:38:22,638
Speaker 1: Yankees before you did, Okay, just not in baseball's a

761
00:38:22,638 --> 00:38:24,278
Speaker 1: guy by the name of John Elway.

762
00:38:24,998 --> 00:38:25,678
Speaker 2: How about that.

763
00:38:26,318 --> 00:38:28,478
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite trivia questions. I've won a

764
00:38:28,478 --> 00:38:31,678
Speaker 4: lot of meals by trying to get people to tell

765
00:38:31,718 --> 00:38:33,998
Speaker 4: me who the Yankees pick was before me on that

766
00:38:34,078 --> 00:38:34,558
Speaker 4: given year.

767
00:38:34,998 --> 00:38:37,798
Speaker 1: And if I got this right, I believe you caught

768
00:38:37,958 --> 00:38:42,678
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson's first no hitter. Now, Randy, I was just

769
00:38:42,918 --> 00:38:45,638
Speaker 1: up in Cooperstown for the induction ceremonies. And by the way,

770
00:38:45,638 --> 00:38:49,238
Speaker 1: congratulations to Fred McGriff and Scott Roland. And if you

771
00:38:49,358 --> 00:38:53,078
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to catch both Hall of Fame

772
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:56,318
Speaker 1: induction speeches from those guys, you have to find it

773
00:38:56,358 --> 00:39:00,318
Speaker 1: on YouTube or someplace. They both did an amazing and

774
00:39:00,358 --> 00:39:04,718
Speaker 1: amazing job. There was so much gratitude lessons that anyone

775
00:39:04,798 --> 00:39:07,838
Speaker 1: in any field can really take the heart beginning, especially

776
00:39:07,838 --> 00:39:08,638
Speaker 1: with hard work.

777
00:39:08,958 --> 00:39:10,718
Speaker 2: I mean Fred McGriff waited through.

778
00:39:10,678 --> 00:39:13,998
Speaker 1: Ten times on the writer's ballot, Scott rolling way through

779
00:39:14,118 --> 00:39:18,118
Speaker 1: six times on the writer's ballot. Their hard their hard

780
00:39:18,118 --> 00:39:20,918
Speaker 1: work got them into Cooperstown. But Randy Johnson was up there.

781
00:39:20,958 --> 00:39:24,638
Speaker 1: He actually had a photo exhibit at a local art

782
00:39:24,718 --> 00:39:27,318
Speaker 1: museum in Cooperstown, and a bunch of the Hall of

783
00:39:27,358 --> 00:39:30,558
Speaker 1: Famers took a trip over there on Saturday the day before.

784
00:39:32,038 --> 00:39:35,078
Speaker 1: And you know Randy well Scott and he was always

785
00:39:35,158 --> 00:39:39,358
Speaker 1: interested in photography even when he was playing. And give

786
00:39:39,398 --> 00:39:42,518
Speaker 1: me a sense of catching Randy Johnson because I always

787
00:39:42,598 --> 00:39:46,798
Speaker 1: knew famously what kind of a mean dude he was.

788
00:39:46,878 --> 00:39:47,758
Speaker 2: On days that he.

789
00:39:47,798 --> 00:39:50,718
Speaker 1: Pitched, you didn't want to say hello to Randy Johnson

790
00:39:50,758 --> 00:39:53,478
Speaker 1: on the day that he pitched and you caught him.

791
00:39:53,518 --> 00:39:55,798
Speaker 1: So give me some insight on on R. J.

792
00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:59,758
Speaker 4: Well, first, you know, I was very fortunate between the

793
00:39:59,838 --> 00:40:03,158
Speaker 4: Yankees a little bit with the White Sox and then

794
00:40:03,158 --> 00:40:05,678
Speaker 4: the Mariners and the Reds, and with the Hall of

795
00:40:05,718 --> 00:40:08,318
Speaker 4: Fame ceremonies. It's amazing. I was going through a list

796
00:40:08,358 --> 00:40:10,918
Speaker 4: and just how many Hall of Fame players that I

797
00:40:10,998 --> 00:40:15,518
Speaker 4: actually can counts as teammates is really an extraordinary an

798
00:40:15,518 --> 00:40:20,238
Speaker 4: extraordinary number, just real quick. Fred McGriff and I were

799
00:40:20,238 --> 00:40:22,438
Speaker 4: at Instructional League together our first two years in the

800
00:40:22,518 --> 00:40:25,398
Speaker 4: Yankee organization. So I saw the young seventeen year old

801
00:40:25,758 --> 00:40:28,518
Speaker 4: Fred McGriff. He swung and missed at virtually every pitch.

802
00:40:28,958 --> 00:40:31,798
Speaker 1: And Scott, you know that Fred McGriff gave credit in

803
00:40:31,878 --> 00:40:35,678
Speaker 1: his speech to Ed Napoleon. Yeah, in the Yankee system

804
00:40:35,718 --> 00:40:38,278
Speaker 1: and all the ground balls that Edi Napoleon hit to him.

805
00:40:38,318 --> 00:40:40,798
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you can relate to that low level

806
00:40:40,798 --> 00:40:43,518
Speaker 1: of minor league seventeen year old Fred McGriff putting the

807
00:40:43,598 --> 00:40:44,358
Speaker 1: extra work in.

808
00:40:44,718 --> 00:40:47,078
Speaker 4: And you could just see it happening. And then my

809
00:40:47,198 --> 00:40:49,558
Speaker 4: youngest son, Scott, he went to Indiana and he was

810
00:40:49,598 --> 00:40:53,638
Speaker 4: fortunate enough to have Scott Rowland interacting with the Indiana

811
00:40:53,678 --> 00:40:56,838
Speaker 4: baseball team on a regular basis, So I saw both

812
00:40:56,838 --> 00:41:00,558
Speaker 4: the speeches. Again, they were both terrific. But again I'm

813
00:41:00,598 --> 00:41:02,678
Speaker 4: really fortunate that I had a chance just to play

814
00:41:02,718 --> 00:41:06,198
Speaker 4: with a huge lift of Hall of Fame players. But

815
00:41:06,278 --> 00:41:09,758
Speaker 4: when it went over to Seattle, you know, after we

816
00:41:09,838 --> 00:41:12,358
Speaker 4: traded you know, Mark Langston, that big trade, and we

817
00:41:12,438 --> 00:41:15,998
Speaker 4: got you know, Randy Johnson was actually probably the third

818
00:41:16,078 --> 00:41:20,038
Speaker 4: person in that trade. It was Brian Holman. Gene Harris

819
00:41:20,158 --> 00:41:22,398
Speaker 4: was sort of the big name in that trade that

820
00:41:22,478 --> 00:41:25,198
Speaker 4: everybody thought was going to be the superstar. And then

821
00:41:25,318 --> 00:41:27,518
Speaker 4: Randy because you know, he was having a tough time

822
00:41:27,558 --> 00:41:31,558
Speaker 4: throwing strikes and everything. And I can remember his first

823
00:41:31,638 --> 00:41:34,638
Speaker 4: game that he pitched was against the Brewers. I remember

824
00:41:34,638 --> 00:41:36,838
Speaker 4: out of Canny Stadium warming them up before the game,

825
00:41:36,878 --> 00:41:39,558
Speaker 4: and I was going to catch him, thinking, oh, this

826
00:41:39,598 --> 00:41:41,718
Speaker 4: is going to be interesting because I saw the walk numbers,

827
00:41:41,758 --> 00:41:45,358
Speaker 4: I saw the wild pitch numbers, and you know, he

828
00:41:45,478 --> 00:41:49,278
Speaker 4: really the way we caught in a traditional stance, it

829
00:41:49,358 --> 00:41:52,638
Speaker 4: was actually easy to catch somebody when they were wild high.

830
00:41:52,998 --> 00:41:54,718
Speaker 4: The guys that were hard were the guys who were

831
00:41:54,718 --> 00:41:57,718
Speaker 4: just beating you up, throwing the sinkers bouncing the breaking balls.

832
00:41:58,038 --> 00:42:00,518
Speaker 4: Randy didn't bounce much, so you just had to basically

833
00:42:00,558 --> 00:42:04,318
Speaker 4: be able to react to pitches up. You could just

834
00:42:04,358 --> 00:42:07,158
Speaker 4: see at that point, you know, like you mentioned, Randy

835
00:42:07,398 --> 00:42:11,598
Speaker 4: on game days was mean and everything else, but Randy

836
00:42:11,878 --> 00:42:16,318
Speaker 4: is a very sensitive person who you had to know

837
00:42:16,358 --> 00:42:20,238
Speaker 4: how to treat. I can remember early in his career

838
00:42:20,278 --> 00:42:23,518
Speaker 4: with the Mariners. You know, some of the coaches would

839
00:42:23,558 --> 00:42:26,038
Speaker 4: just say, you're big, your throw hard. Just throw the ball,

840
00:42:26,358 --> 00:42:28,118
Speaker 4: Just throw the ball, aim in the middle, throw the

841
00:42:28,118 --> 00:42:30,918
Speaker 4: ball down the middle. Well, Randy wanted to be a pitcher,

842
00:42:31,518 --> 00:42:33,518
Speaker 4: so I would sit down with him and I would

843
00:42:33,558 --> 00:42:36,758
Speaker 4: go over location with what we wanted to do with

844
00:42:36,958 --> 00:42:40,038
Speaker 4: every hitter, even though I knew he wasn't capable of

845
00:42:40,078 --> 00:42:42,718
Speaker 4: doing it. But you just had to go through that

846
00:42:42,798 --> 00:42:46,558
Speaker 4: act because mentally, he wanted to prepare like everybody else.

847
00:42:46,918 --> 00:42:48,718
Speaker 4: He didn't want to be known as the big, hard

848
00:42:48,758 --> 00:42:50,838
Speaker 4: throwing guy who was just trying to throw the ball

849
00:42:51,158 --> 00:42:53,678
Speaker 4: in the vicinity of home plate. Like I said, as

850
00:42:53,678 --> 00:42:56,638
Speaker 4: an early pitcher, he couldn't he couldn't do that. But

851
00:42:56,838 --> 00:42:58,878
Speaker 4: every time he pitched, he went out you could just

852
00:42:58,918 --> 00:43:02,638
Speaker 4: see the reaction of hitters and you could just see

853
00:43:02,678 --> 00:43:05,718
Speaker 4: that there were certain hitters that not only did you

854
00:43:05,798 --> 00:43:07,118
Speaker 4: know that you were going to get them out, but

855
00:43:07,158 --> 00:43:08,638
Speaker 4: you knew they weren't even going to put a ball

856
00:43:08,678 --> 00:43:11,958
Speaker 4: in play. So one thing led to another, and then

857
00:43:12,398 --> 00:43:14,998
Speaker 4: you know the game that he pitched against the Tigers.

858
00:43:15,358 --> 00:43:18,198
Speaker 4: I've always felt that the one important skill the catcher

859
00:43:18,238 --> 00:43:21,118
Speaker 4: has is you have to be able to remember. You

860
00:43:21,238 --> 00:43:23,438
Speaker 4: always want to stay out of patterns. You don't want

861
00:43:23,438 --> 00:43:25,918
Speaker 4: to throw the same pitch in the same count. The

862
00:43:25,958 --> 00:43:28,998
Speaker 4: Tigers had a veteran team with the likes of chet Lemon,

863
00:43:30,558 --> 00:43:34,238
Speaker 4: you know who, Trammel, you know Whitaker took the day

864
00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,478
Speaker 4: off that day. But those were the guys you wanted

865
00:43:37,478 --> 00:43:40,838
Speaker 4: to make sure. So as the game evolved, what happened

866
00:43:40,878 --> 00:43:43,918
Speaker 4: a couple starts before that is, we basically came to

867
00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:46,798
Speaker 4: the realization that the breaking ball was Randy's command pitch.

868
00:43:47,278 --> 00:43:49,918
Speaker 4: He would overthrow his fastball. He would end up three

869
00:43:49,998 --> 00:43:53,398
Speaker 4: steps away from third base in like a whirlybird finish

870
00:43:53,438 --> 00:43:56,198
Speaker 4: when he would throw his fastball, and every time you

871
00:43:56,278 --> 00:43:59,078
Speaker 4: called his slider, he would be perfectly in balance. He

872
00:43:59,118 --> 00:44:02,958
Speaker 4: wouldn't overthrow it. And so from there on, and that

873
00:44:03,078 --> 00:44:06,598
Speaker 4: was probably the first where anytime he fell behind hitters.

874
00:44:06,718 --> 00:44:08,838
Speaker 4: We would throw a breaking ball, whether it's two zero count,

875
00:44:08,878 --> 00:44:11,998
Speaker 4: three to one count, because he never overthrew it. And

876
00:44:12,118 --> 00:44:14,038
Speaker 4: he did walk six in that game, but he never

877
00:44:14,118 --> 00:44:16,558
Speaker 4: walked more than two in an inning. I don't know

878
00:44:16,598 --> 00:44:18,918
Speaker 4: if he ever walked two in a row. And the

879
00:44:18,998 --> 00:44:22,918
Speaker 4: last pitch of the game, Mike Keith swung it, probably

880
00:44:22,998 --> 00:44:26,158
Speaker 4: the highest pitch. I think I had to jump to

881
00:44:26,238 --> 00:44:29,958
Speaker 4: catch it that Mike Heith swung at. And then I

882
00:44:29,998 --> 00:44:31,798
Speaker 4: can remember running to the mound that all I could

883
00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:35,558
Speaker 4: think about was, you know, yogi jumping into Don Larson's arms,

884
00:44:35,558 --> 00:44:37,518
Speaker 4: and I started thinking, Okay, well, Randy's too big. I

885
00:44:37,518 --> 00:44:40,838
Speaker 4: can't jump that high. But there was a great poster

886
00:44:40,958 --> 00:44:44,398
Speaker 4: in Seattle of all of us with Randy, and it

887
00:44:44,478 --> 00:44:48,318
Speaker 4: was like we're the little Putians in Gulliver's travels. It

888
00:44:48,398 --> 00:44:50,438
Speaker 4: was like we were all hanging on Randy's waist and

889
00:44:50,518 --> 00:44:52,798
Speaker 4: his arms were extended and we all I don't think

890
00:44:52,838 --> 00:44:54,878
Speaker 4: we had a guy that came up above the middle

891
00:44:54,918 --> 00:44:57,758
Speaker 4: of his chest. So, needless to say, a great thrill.

892
00:44:57,798 --> 00:45:00,878
Speaker 4: And I think catchers feel as much a part of

893
00:45:00,958 --> 00:45:03,398
Speaker 4: no hitters as as the pitchers do.

894
00:45:03,998 --> 00:45:06,478
Speaker 1: And speaking of great thrills or reminds me of something

895
00:45:06,518 --> 00:45:09,878
Speaker 1: that Scott Roland mentioned in his speech. I thought his

896
00:45:09,998 --> 00:45:12,918
Speaker 1: greatest moment that he would identify would be a Pennant

897
00:45:12,918 --> 00:45:17,438
Speaker 1: winning home run Game seven, two thousand and four NLCS

898
00:45:17,478 --> 00:45:21,038
Speaker 1: off Roger Clements. Instead, he told a beautiful story about

899
00:45:21,398 --> 00:45:23,998
Speaker 1: by far his best moment was his first day in

900
00:45:23,998 --> 00:45:28,838
Speaker 1: the big leagues in nineteen ninety six, and his parents

901
00:45:28,918 --> 00:45:31,078
Speaker 1: got to the game a little bit late at Veteran Stadium.

902
00:45:31,078 --> 00:45:32,958
Speaker 1: So he's at third base at the VET and he

903
00:45:33,038 --> 00:45:35,518
Speaker 1: looks up and he sees mom and dad walking into

904
00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:38,918
Speaker 1: their seats behind home plate, and he said, there was

905
00:45:39,078 --> 00:45:42,158
Speaker 1: never any moment sweeter than that one to see his

906
00:45:42,238 --> 00:45:46,838
Speaker 1: parents there walking into Veteran Stadium for his major league debut,

907
00:45:46,918 --> 00:45:49,078
Speaker 1: and how proud he was of them, and of course

908
00:45:49,118 --> 00:45:52,998
Speaker 1: the day of him. Scott, I mean, maybe it's Randy's

909
00:45:53,038 --> 00:45:55,358
Speaker 1: no hitter, but is there a moment for you when

910
00:45:55,358 --> 00:45:57,718
Speaker 1: you look back on your major league career and say

911
00:45:58,038 --> 00:45:59,838
Speaker 1: that was that was the apex?

912
00:45:59,918 --> 00:46:00,558
Speaker 2: That was the peak.

913
00:46:01,878 --> 00:46:04,758
Speaker 4: Again, growing up in New York, New Jersey, my dad,

914
00:46:05,998 --> 00:46:09,078
Speaker 4: you know, was a marine in the Korean War, was

915
00:46:09,118 --> 00:46:13,038
Speaker 4: at the Chosen Reservoir, A self made self made guy.

916
00:46:13,118 --> 00:46:14,798
Speaker 4: He and he and my mom knew each other from

917
00:46:14,798 --> 00:46:17,718
Speaker 4: the time they were twelve or thirteen years old and

918
00:46:17,758 --> 00:46:20,638
Speaker 4: growing up half an hour outside of Yankee Stadium. My

919
00:46:20,758 --> 00:46:24,558
Speaker 4: dad would constantly come home early and say, all right,

920
00:46:25,038 --> 00:46:26,998
Speaker 4: the twins are coming in today. I want you guys

921
00:46:26,998 --> 00:46:30,598
Speaker 4: to see Harmon Killerbrew play. He made sure that we

922
00:46:30,638 --> 00:46:33,438
Speaker 4: had a chance to see all the great players of

923
00:46:33,478 --> 00:46:36,718
Speaker 4: that generation play in person. Took us to Cooper's Town,

924
00:46:36,798 --> 00:46:38,958
Speaker 4: made sure that taught us not only how to play

925
00:46:38,958 --> 00:46:41,398
Speaker 4: the game, but how to appreciate the game and to

926
00:46:41,438 --> 00:46:44,438
Speaker 4: have a passion for it. So at the I had

927
00:46:44,478 --> 00:46:46,278
Speaker 4: a great season in Triple A. I think I was

928
00:46:46,318 --> 00:46:49,238
Speaker 4: the International League MVP and Rookie of the year. I

929
00:46:49,278 --> 00:46:51,398
Speaker 4: got called up to the Yankees at the at the

930
00:46:51,558 --> 00:46:54,198
Speaker 4: end of the year. That to me felt like a

931
00:46:54,238 --> 00:46:57,358
Speaker 4: reward for having a really good minor league season. The

932
00:46:57,398 --> 00:46:59,318
Speaker 4: next year, and again you were there. I went to

933
00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:03,918
Speaker 4: spring training, made the team out of spring training. Uh

934
00:47:04,078 --> 00:47:08,758
Speaker 4: opening day in Yankee Stadium, being introduced as a member

935
00:47:08,798 --> 00:47:12,198
Speaker 4: of the New York Yankees. It was the day Mickey

936
00:47:12,238 --> 00:47:15,318
Speaker 4: Mantle was allowed back into baseball after he and Willie

937
00:47:15,398 --> 00:47:18,318
Speaker 4: Mays have been banned for being part of working for

938
00:47:18,358 --> 00:47:22,398
Speaker 4: the casinos and they were allowed back into into baseball.

939
00:47:22,438 --> 00:47:26,198
Speaker 4: We had a great dinner the night before. Roger Morris

940
00:47:26,238 --> 00:47:29,518
Speaker 4: and Mickey were there together, and I can just remember,

941
00:47:29,918 --> 00:47:31,958
Speaker 4: just like Scott Rowland did, looking into the stands at

942
00:47:31,998 --> 00:47:36,998
Speaker 4: Yankee Stadium, seeing family and friends and knowing that I

943
00:47:37,078 --> 00:47:39,198
Speaker 4: made the Yankees as an and it was opening day,

944
00:47:39,278 --> 00:47:42,438
Speaker 4: New York Yankees. I you know, I believe he won

945
00:47:42,478 --> 00:47:43,678
Speaker 4: the game. I think it was a game that Ken

946
00:47:43,718 --> 00:47:47,878
Speaker 4: Griffey Senior made that amazing catch up in the like

947
00:47:47,998 --> 00:47:49,358
Speaker 4: Junior did years later.

948
00:47:49,278 --> 00:47:50,318
Speaker 2: Down the left field line.

949
00:47:50,438 --> 00:47:52,758
Speaker 4: Yeah, but just being a member of the New York Yankees,

950
00:47:52,878 --> 00:47:56,318
Speaker 4: knowing that I had made an opening day roster for

951
00:47:56,358 --> 00:47:59,478
Speaker 4: the New York Yankees basically was I don't think anything

952
00:47:59,518 --> 00:48:00,198
Speaker 4: gets better than that.

953
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:01,798
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

954
00:48:02,398 --> 00:48:06,438
Speaker 1: I mean, as you can hear Joe just Scott not

955
00:48:06,478 --> 00:48:09,878
Speaker 1: only is a great college coach, but we go way back,

956
00:48:09,998 --> 00:48:11,918
Speaker 1: and not just covering Scott when he got to the

957
00:48:11,918 --> 00:48:14,838
Speaker 1: big leagues, but we played actually against each other in

958
00:48:14,838 --> 00:48:15,918
Speaker 1: American Legion Ball.

959
00:48:16,038 --> 00:48:18,678
Speaker 2: We played with each other in college summer league.

960
00:48:19,998 --> 00:48:22,638
Speaker 1: And I can honestly say, not just because I've known

961
00:48:22,678 --> 00:48:26,638
Speaker 1: Scott for a long time, that the best attribute or

962
00:48:26,758 --> 00:48:29,358
Speaker 1: compliment you can give a college coach is what you

963
00:48:29,358 --> 00:48:32,598
Speaker 1: can tell someone you'd want your son or daughter if

964
00:48:32,598 --> 00:48:35,078
Speaker 1: it's another sport to play for that person.

965
00:48:35,318 --> 00:48:37,198
Speaker 2: And Scott is that kind of person.

966
00:48:37,758 --> 00:48:39,478
Speaker 4: You know, Joe, Tom and I, like you said, we

967
00:48:39,518 --> 00:48:41,038
Speaker 4: go way back. And I don't know if Tom's ever

968
00:48:41,078 --> 00:48:43,798
Speaker 4: shared with or not, but his dad was a legendary

969
00:48:43,798 --> 00:48:47,598
Speaker 4: football coach in our area. So the Verducci name was

970
00:48:47,598 --> 00:48:50,118
Speaker 4: something that we always bantered around our house, that's for sure.

971
00:48:50,318 --> 00:48:54,078
Speaker 3: I actually saw a photograph if Tom split out wide

972
00:48:54,158 --> 00:48:57,238
Speaker 3: left at Hinchliffe Stadium Patterson, New Jersey, look he looked

973
00:48:57,278 --> 00:48:59,718
Speaker 3: like he looked like he meant business. I really enjoyed

974
00:48:59,718 --> 00:49:02,838
Speaker 3: that particular photograph. I left to know what occurred after

975
00:49:02,838 --> 00:49:03,758
Speaker 3: the ball was snapped.

976
00:49:03,958 --> 00:49:08,238
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was a run three yards and a

977
00:49:08,238 --> 00:49:09,118
Speaker 2: cloud a dive.

978
00:49:09,598 --> 00:49:12,038
Speaker 3: It was thirty two left, just a dive.

979
00:49:13,038 --> 00:49:15,238
Speaker 1: It was nothing but a diversion as a wide out,

980
00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:18,758
Speaker 1: except in the state championship game against Bergen Catholic.

981
00:49:18,878 --> 00:49:21,038
Speaker 2: There you go, We'll stay for another day.

982
00:49:21,078 --> 00:49:23,838
Speaker 1: Well, Scott, we have all our guests play a game

983
00:49:23,878 --> 00:49:27,638
Speaker 1: with us, and it's very easy. We call it a

984
00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:33,078
Speaker 1: reading from the Book of Joe, and we believe that

985
00:49:33,118 --> 00:49:35,238
Speaker 1: you can crack open any page of our book, you're

986
00:49:35,238 --> 00:49:37,958
Speaker 1: going to find something interesting. So we have our guests

987
00:49:37,998 --> 00:49:41,558
Speaker 1: pick a number, any number between one and three hundred

988
00:49:41,598 --> 00:49:45,398
Speaker 1: and sixty eight, and we will have a little reading

989
00:49:45,878 --> 00:49:47,718
Speaker 1: from the Book of Joe.

990
00:49:48,598 --> 00:49:49,958
Speaker 2: All right, so it's your turn to hit.

991
00:49:50,078 --> 00:49:52,798
Speaker 4: Well, my number with the Yankees was thirty four, So

992
00:49:52,878 --> 00:49:53,998
Speaker 4: let's go with thirty four.

993
00:49:54,598 --> 00:49:55,638
Speaker 2: Number thirty four.

994
00:49:55,678 --> 00:49:58,838
Speaker 1: Now, was that given to you by Pete sheehy or

995
00:49:58,918 --> 00:50:00,518
Speaker 1: did you actually ask for it?

996
00:50:00,838 --> 00:50:02,598
Speaker 4: Well, the first year when I was up there at

997
00:50:02,598 --> 00:50:04,078
Speaker 4: the end of the season, I think I I had

998
00:50:04,118 --> 00:50:08,838
Speaker 4: an alignment's number all through spring training. And then I

999
00:50:08,878 --> 00:50:13,438
Speaker 4: think Peachee. And again you talk about stories when I

1000
00:50:13,518 --> 00:50:15,318
Speaker 4: was with the Yankees at such an amazing time that

1001
00:50:15,358 --> 00:50:18,238
Speaker 4: you actually not only just players, but to sit and

1002
00:50:18,278 --> 00:50:20,598
Speaker 4: listen to peache he tell his stories of how he

1003
00:50:20,678 --> 00:50:24,318
Speaker 4: started with the Yankees. Just amazing. But yes, Peachee, he

1004
00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:27,398
Speaker 4: is responsible for giving me that number.

1005
00:50:27,718 --> 00:50:30,878
Speaker 2: Peach oh my goodness. He was there when Babe Ruth

1006
00:50:30,998 --> 00:50:31,918
Speaker 2: was there, no joke.

1007
00:50:31,958 --> 00:50:34,078
Speaker 1: And if you were in that Yankee clubhouse in scott

1008
00:50:34,078 --> 00:50:36,758
Speaker 1: I can still see it, that wooden picnic table in

1009
00:50:36,758 --> 00:50:39,118
Speaker 1: the middle of the clubhouse and you'd have peach. He's

1010
00:50:39,118 --> 00:50:44,918
Speaker 1: sitting there telling stories. I mean, my goodness, what a treat. Okay,

1011
00:50:45,078 --> 00:50:48,318
Speaker 1: Page thirty four of the Book of Joe Joe. We're

1012
00:50:48,318 --> 00:50:55,758
Speaker 1: going back to Moose steubing. I love this story. You're

1013
00:50:55,838 --> 00:50:56,718
Speaker 1: laughing already.

1014
00:50:56,798 --> 00:51:00,278
Speaker 2: This is your class a manager, right.

1015
00:51:00,398 --> 00:51:04,318
Speaker 1: He's playing cribbage with Chuck Estrada, who's the Angel minor

1016
00:51:04,398 --> 00:51:09,718
Speaker 1: league pitching coordinator. Joe's walking in there because he's been

1017
00:51:09,758 --> 00:51:13,278
Speaker 1: called into the manager's office, Scott, and he's hitting the

1018
00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:16,078
Speaker 1: ball really well. Boy, Joe says in the book, things

1019
00:51:16,118 --> 00:51:19,238
Speaker 1: are starting to come together. I'm hitting and catching really well.

1020
00:51:19,358 --> 00:51:22,958
Speaker 1: So I'm like, damn, this is cool. The manager wants

1021
00:51:22,998 --> 00:51:25,918
Speaker 1: to see me in his office. I wasn't doing anything wrong.

1022
00:51:25,998 --> 00:51:27,478
Speaker 1: I was really pleased to go in there.

1023
00:51:28,438 --> 00:51:28,918
Speaker 2: What's up?

1024
00:51:28,958 --> 00:51:33,038
Speaker 1: Moose Madden says, Hey, you're pretty tight with Dicky Thon,

1025
00:51:33,118 --> 00:51:33,478
Speaker 1: aren't you.

1026
00:51:34,318 --> 00:51:35,638
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, good kid.

1027
00:51:36,238 --> 00:51:38,598
Speaker 1: You take care of that boy because he's going to

1028
00:51:38,638 --> 00:51:41,238
Speaker 1: play in the big league someday. I want you to

1029
00:51:41,318 --> 00:51:43,678
Speaker 1: keep your eye on him when you go out at night.

1030
00:51:44,038 --> 00:51:46,158
Speaker 1: Make sure you're with him, make sure he gets home

1031
00:51:46,198 --> 00:51:49,478
Speaker 1: at a good time. Take care of him. He will

1032
00:51:49,478 --> 00:51:52,118
Speaker 1: be in a big league shortstop one of these days.

1033
00:51:52,638 --> 00:51:54,358
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

1034
00:51:55,558 --> 00:52:00,238
Speaker 1: Madden walked out, shaking his head. Nothing about me, crickets

1035
00:52:00,358 --> 00:52:00,878
Speaker 1: about me.

1036
00:52:01,198 --> 00:52:03,798
Speaker 2: Not a word. Moose and I we had a good relate.

1037
00:52:04,958 --> 00:52:07,518
Speaker 1: I don't want to say love hate, but you gotta

1038
00:52:07,558 --> 00:52:08,878
Speaker 1: be freaking kidding me.

1039
00:52:10,918 --> 00:52:13,798
Speaker 2: I love Richard. That was not the point. But damn it, Moose,

1040
00:52:13,918 --> 00:52:16,598
Speaker 2: give me something. Just give me a crumb to hold

1041
00:52:16,638 --> 00:52:16,878
Speaker 2: on to.

1042
00:52:17,518 --> 00:52:20,238
Speaker 1: Not even hey, nice going, you're catching the ball, well,

1043
00:52:20,398 --> 00:52:23,278
Speaker 1: nice double in the gap last night. Nothing like that.

1044
00:52:23,478 --> 00:52:27,278
Speaker 1: Nothing crickets. So that's what I got out of my manager.

1045
00:52:28,678 --> 00:52:29,758
Speaker 1: I love that story.

1046
00:52:30,238 --> 00:52:32,318
Speaker 3: That's all true. And I just as you started, I

1047
00:52:32,318 --> 00:52:35,478
Speaker 3: could just see myself walking in that small little Johnny

1048
00:52:35,478 --> 00:52:39,198
Speaker 3: O'Donnell Stadium manager's office. I was I was like, I

1049
00:52:39,198 --> 00:52:41,038
Speaker 3: was playing really good. I thought, here we go, something

1050
00:52:41,158 --> 00:52:44,158
Speaker 3: good's happening. And Dicky was my roommate, Richard Don. I

1051
00:52:44,158 --> 00:52:46,318
Speaker 3: still stay in touch with Richard. Richard text me often,

1052
00:52:47,078 --> 00:52:48,998
Speaker 3: and he was really good. He was like seventeen or

1053
00:52:49,038 --> 00:52:53,358
Speaker 3: eighteen at that time, a really nice player, wonderful. But

1054
00:52:53,398 --> 00:52:56,398
Speaker 3: that was it. I get this. You take you take

1055
00:52:56,438 --> 00:52:58,598
Speaker 3: cares of this kids, because he's you know, with this

1056
00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:01,958
Speaker 3: Brooklyn stuff and he gave it to me and I was,

1057
00:53:02,118 --> 00:53:03,758
Speaker 3: I don't want to say I was devastated. I was like,

1058
00:53:04,158 --> 00:53:05,878
Speaker 3: can I say, pissed, a little bit upset, you know,

1059
00:53:06,038 --> 00:53:09,198
Speaker 3: come on, Moose, throw me a crumb. But he was right.

1060
00:53:09,678 --> 00:53:12,318
Speaker 3: Richard was the player I was not. And Dicky and

1061
00:53:12,398 --> 00:53:15,238
Speaker 3: I hung out that year and the next year also

1062
00:53:15,638 --> 00:53:18,478
Speaker 3: in Salinas a bit, and like I said, we still

1063
00:53:18,518 --> 00:53:20,438
Speaker 3: stay in touch of this day. I know his family,

1064
00:53:21,078 --> 00:53:25,158
Speaker 3: his wife, Saul, everything. But that's the way those guys were,

1065
00:53:25,198 --> 00:53:30,198
Speaker 3: those managers, they were so straightforward and tough and if

1066
00:53:30,238 --> 00:53:33,118
Speaker 3: you cannot deal with it, you would crumble. You would

1067
00:53:33,118 --> 00:53:35,798
Speaker 3: absolutely crumble. I was fortunately had the same kind of

1068
00:53:36,638 --> 00:53:40,038
Speaker 3: football coaches back here in Hazelton growing up. Man, you

1069
00:53:40,078 --> 00:53:42,558
Speaker 3: wouldn't get you wouldn't get nothing, brother, You'd get nothing

1070
00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:46,438
Speaker 3: from them. So again, funny story looking back at it.

1071
00:53:46,798 --> 00:53:49,558
Speaker 3: Tough moment, but those are the kind of things that

1072
00:53:49,678 --> 00:53:53,878
Speaker 3: form you and permit you to get through some disappointments.

1073
00:53:54,278 --> 00:53:56,118
Speaker 4: Joe, I think we have similar stories in that, A

1074
00:53:56,158 --> 00:53:58,078
Speaker 4: real quick one. As I was playing my first year

1075
00:53:58,078 --> 00:54:00,438
Speaker 4: in Oneana in the New York Penn League, we had

1076
00:54:00,438 --> 00:54:02,718
Speaker 4: a manager named Art Masmnian, and I felt like I

1077
00:54:02,798 --> 00:54:04,758
Speaker 4: had a really good year. And at the end of

1078
00:54:04,798 --> 00:54:06,438
Speaker 4: the year, he looked at me, he says, you know, Scott,

1079
00:54:06,478 --> 00:54:09,518
Speaker 4: He goes, you're gonna be a great coaching manager like

1080
00:54:09,958 --> 00:54:12,918
Speaker 4: Lloyd Chris, Like, can I play first before I do that?

1081
00:54:13,078 --> 00:54:14,758
Speaker 3: I had the same thing happened to me in in

1082
00:54:14,998 --> 00:54:16,918
Speaker 3: uh in if I say it, But at least you

1083
00:54:16,958 --> 00:54:18,718
Speaker 3: got you got to the big leagues at nine and nice.

1084
00:54:18,798 --> 00:54:20,758
Speaker 3: Yet I was looking up your numbers. I think I

1085
00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:24,238
Speaker 3: would have been you. Uh you look we look very similar, familiar,

1086
00:54:24,678 --> 00:54:26,038
Speaker 3: But I had the same thing happened to me and

1087
00:54:26,038 --> 00:54:28,798
Speaker 3: by Celia after a really good night, dude, come, I

1088
00:54:28,798 --> 00:54:30,638
Speaker 3: mean Lloyd Christopher, one of the best scouts I think

1089
00:54:30,638 --> 00:54:32,878
Speaker 3: there's ever lived. Lloyd walks up to me and he says,

1090
00:54:32,878 --> 00:54:36,398
Speaker 3: what are you gonna stop playing and start coaching? Come on, shut.

1091
00:54:36,158 --> 00:54:41,198
Speaker 1: Up, Scott. This has just been tremendous. Since it's been

1092
00:54:41,318 --> 00:54:43,558
Speaker 1: such a pleasure, We thank you. We know you're busy

1093
00:54:43,638 --> 00:54:45,958
Speaker 1: these days and you're not hanging out at the Jersey Shore,

1094
00:54:46,198 --> 00:54:49,318
Speaker 1: so thanks so much again, and and best of luck

1095
00:54:49,358 --> 00:54:50,678
Speaker 1: to you in the Princeton program.

1096
00:54:50,998 --> 00:54:54,078
Speaker 4: That's my pleasure, guys, always, always, always enjoyable to be

1097
00:54:54,078 --> 00:54:56,398
Speaker 4: able to talk baseball with you, fellas. So anytime you

1098
00:54:56,438 --> 00:54:57,558
Speaker 4: need me, you know where to find me.

1099
00:54:57,998 --> 00:55:01,198
Speaker 3: Great to visit. Scott continued success. I think it's awesome, baby.

1100
00:55:00,998 --> 00:55:02,358
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, thank you guys.

1101
00:55:02,878 --> 00:55:05,438
Speaker 1: Well, Joe, that was as much fun as I thought

1102
00:55:05,478 --> 00:55:08,198
Speaker 1: it would be. For someone like Scott what he does.

1103
00:55:08,278 --> 00:55:11,238
Speaker 1: He's a great guy to begin with, but so well accomplished.

1104
00:55:11,238 --> 00:55:13,718
Speaker 1: Between a major league career and twenty five years coaching

1105
00:55:13,758 --> 00:55:16,958
Speaker 1: baseball at Princeton, Boy, you can see what an impressive

1106
00:55:16,958 --> 00:55:18,038
Speaker 1: guy and coach he is.

1107
00:55:18,318 --> 00:55:20,718
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in the trenches, man. I mean being a

1108
00:55:20,758 --> 00:55:24,558
Speaker 3: college baseball coach, he gets to be a scout, a coach,

1109
00:55:24,638 --> 00:55:27,478
Speaker 3: a manager, and instructor. He gets to be everything running

1110
00:55:27,518 --> 00:55:30,078
Speaker 3: that particular program and is being in touch with what's

1111
00:55:30,118 --> 00:55:33,518
Speaker 3: going on youth wise on how guys get to college,

1112
00:55:33,518 --> 00:55:35,558
Speaker 3: which is the same way they get to professional baseball.

1113
00:55:35,678 --> 00:55:37,918
Speaker 3: Was interesting to hear. You know, I've not done that

1114
00:55:37,958 --> 00:55:39,478
Speaker 3: for a while. It was a little bit different back

1115
00:55:39,558 --> 00:55:42,718
Speaker 3: then as it is today. So it's great catching up

1116
00:55:42,718 --> 00:55:45,198
Speaker 3: on all that stuff. He gave me a lot of

1117
00:55:45,238 --> 00:55:48,518
Speaker 3: good information and insight regarding what is going on, and

1118
00:55:48,558 --> 00:55:51,758
Speaker 3: it's very helpful moving forward. He speaks so well. I

1119
00:55:51,798 --> 00:55:57,038
Speaker 3: can see where he just he just became part of

1120
00:55:57,078 --> 00:56:00,038
Speaker 3: the fabric there at Princeton. You could just see how

1121
00:56:00,118 --> 00:56:02,158
Speaker 3: much he loves it and how good he is at

1122
00:56:02,158 --> 00:56:02,998
Speaker 3: It's outstanding.

1123
00:56:03,198 --> 00:56:05,638
Speaker 1: And I've just did bringing up the fact that we

1124
00:56:05,758 --> 00:56:09,118
Speaker 1: played against each other in the New Jersey State American

1125
00:56:09,278 --> 00:56:13,318
Speaker 1: Legion Championship. Right the winner was going on to the

1126
00:56:13,438 --> 00:56:16,358
Speaker 1: National World Series for the American Legion.

1127
00:56:17,558 --> 00:56:18,038
Speaker 2: We played.

1128
00:56:18,118 --> 00:56:20,678
Speaker 1: We had to get the game in because the championship,

1129
00:56:21,078 --> 00:56:23,318
Speaker 1: the National Championship was starting like in the next couple

1130
00:56:23,358 --> 00:56:23,838
Speaker 1: of days.

1131
00:56:24,438 --> 00:56:26,038
Speaker 2: It poured the whole night.

1132
00:56:26,398 --> 00:56:30,638
Speaker 1: We actually did the Baldy Maselli trick there where we

1133
00:56:30,838 --> 00:56:33,478
Speaker 1: put the field infield on fires first time I saw it,

1134
00:56:33,558 --> 00:56:36,718
Speaker 1: Joe to get the game in and Scott Bradley hit

1135
00:56:36,718 --> 00:56:39,758
Speaker 1: a home run in that game, which I swear to

1136
00:56:39,758 --> 00:56:42,798
Speaker 1: this day didn't go over the fence. The lights weren't great.

1137
00:56:43,078 --> 00:56:45,278
Speaker 1: The ball goes out to right field. You only have

1138
00:56:45,318 --> 00:56:48,078
Speaker 1: two umpires work in the game. I swore it bounced

1139
00:56:48,118 --> 00:56:50,518
Speaker 1: over the chain link fence. It was ruled a home run.

1140
00:56:50,918 --> 00:56:53,478
Speaker 1: We lost the game. He goes on to the World Series.

1141
00:56:53,958 --> 00:56:56,398
Speaker 3: Chane Lenk fence makes it really difficult too. Man when

1142
00:56:56,438 --> 00:56:59,118
Speaker 3: you get you really can't have its before after the fence.

1143
00:56:59,158 --> 00:56:59,838
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

1144
00:57:00,278 --> 00:57:03,638
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Joe, it's been a pleasure chatting. I'm sure

1145
00:57:03,638 --> 00:57:06,598
Speaker 1: you and enjoyed it as a former quarterback and catcher yourself,

1146
00:57:06,718 --> 00:57:09,558
Speaker 1: just like Scott. So maybe you've got something appropriate to

1147
00:57:09,598 --> 00:57:10,438
Speaker 1: take us out here.

1148
00:57:10,598 --> 00:57:15,278
Speaker 3: I do. Mister Einstein attended it's professor there at Princeton,

1149
00:57:15,318 --> 00:57:16,078
Speaker 3: I believe back in the.

1150
00:57:16,118 --> 00:57:18,798
Speaker 2: Day, right ooh nice, Yes, and it's.

1151
00:57:18,638 --> 00:57:21,598
Speaker 3: Really dovetails into one of my theories. And of course

1152
00:57:21,798 --> 00:57:25,158
Speaker 3: I'm not carrying myself to mister Einstein. But if you

1153
00:57:25,198 --> 00:57:27,998
Speaker 3: can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

1154
00:57:28,398 --> 00:57:32,878
Speaker 3: I love that everybody wants convoluted answers to questions and problems.

1155
00:57:33,558 --> 00:57:36,158
Speaker 3: And it's really like Okham's razor is probably the most

1156
00:57:36,198 --> 00:57:39,078
Speaker 3: simple answer is the accurate one. So if you can't

1157
00:57:39,118 --> 00:57:42,518
Speaker 3: explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. I

1158
00:57:42,638 --> 00:57:47,078
Speaker 3: love that everybody wants to complicate things. I'm all about reduce, reduce, reduce,

1159
00:57:47,798 --> 00:57:49,798
Speaker 3: and mister Einstein had been there years ago, and I

1160
00:57:49,878 --> 00:57:50,998
Speaker 3: think that's pretty darn cool.

1161
00:57:51,358 --> 00:57:54,998
Speaker 1: Do simple better, but advice I heard somewhere, Yes, sir,

1162
00:57:55,238 --> 00:57:57,838
Speaker 1: it works it works awesome.

1163
00:57:57,918 --> 00:57:59,318
Speaker 2: Keep it up, man, it's a lot of fun. We'll

1164
00:57:59,318 --> 00:58:00,238
Speaker 2: see you next time.

1165
00:58:00,078 --> 00:58:01,318
Speaker 3: All right, brother, have a great week.

1166
00:58:07,598 --> 00:58:10,798
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00:58:11,038 --> 00:58:15,918
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