Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, ding dong
Speaker 1: les cultures is calling very loose energy today. Whores hoors
Speaker 1: on the holiday, whores on holidays, roam about Rome, about
Speaker 1: Roman holiday. But Roman dropped the gy you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not roaming Roman, hors on the holidays, horse
Speaker 1: on the holidays, Romana. So it's great to lend on
Speaker 1: a title event before we've even said a single thing
Speaker 1: thing ourselves each other. Really well, here's the sort of
Speaker 1: thing I love recording in person. I love recording in
Speaker 1: person really brings out the energy, it really does. And
Speaker 1: so the second we sort of got together today, well,
Speaker 1: the first thing we did was we we slowly walked
Speaker 1: together up the steps of the Great I Heart Radio Building,
Speaker 1: which is what this building is called. And we saw
Speaker 1: our guests and we were immediately hit with um the
Speaker 1: energy of talent, the energy of wisdom, charm of I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, influence, extreme influence. This person has moved armies,
Speaker 1: powerful woman, moved armies down, moved armies down. And we
Speaker 1: have to say, then there was that thing that happens
Speaker 1: that always makes you really scared, which is an android
Speaker 1: got dropped. Our guest is married to a lovely man.
Speaker 1: He has an Android. He dropped his android when he
Speaker 1: went to go hug Matt and then Matt. Somehow the
Speaker 1: conversation went to who gives off an iPhone vibe? Who
Speaker 1: gives off an android vibe? Matt says that I give
Speaker 1: off an android vibe, which is a little you immediately
Speaker 1: you don't know me at all. First of all, that's
Speaker 1: a damn lie. Second of all, you didn't let me
Speaker 1: explain why I thought that, Which is I think you
Speaker 1: give off confident all to energy, Which is I think
Speaker 1: that you are like sort of confident enough as a
Speaker 1: woman in tech that you could have an Android phone
Speaker 1: and be like, Yeah, I have an Android. Asked me
Speaker 1: one question about it, I'll blow your mind. Ask me
Speaker 1: a question here, I'm gonna pretend I'm gonna drag right now.
Speaker 1: You ask me a question of about android and only
Speaker 1: answer Okay. What I would ask is um, But doesn't
Speaker 1: it bother you that like when when you're on a
Speaker 1: group text with a bunch of iPhone people. No, not
Speaker 1: at all, because I'll just do like we chat or
Speaker 1: I'll do what's app um start we chat. My Chinese
Speaker 1: is showing I, you know what, I have a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly toyed with Android. I know you have the rhyme.
Speaker 1: There's a little internal rhyme right there. Toyed with Android.
Speaker 1: And not that I don't love Apple, but every now
Speaker 1: and then I go, well, they're doing some interesting things
Speaker 1: over there. So you sometimes think about flirting with betrayal.
Speaker 1: I sometimes think about that was a gorgeous set in
Speaker 1: flooring with betrayal. So you sometimes think about floating with thetrayal.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting I'll turn of and
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. I think that's what
Speaker 1: it's been marketed as for so long. We don't have
Speaker 1: to actually get into this. We don't have but don't
Speaker 1: do anything. But you don't understand. I used to be
Speaker 1: on tech news all the time in college, and then
Speaker 1: something happened where two paths diverged in a would and
Speaker 1: I feel like things got really sucked up into like
Speaker 1: cryptoculture or something. And that's when I was like, I'm disengaging.
Speaker 1: And now all this crazy ship is coming out about
Speaker 1: this some Sam Bank been freed guy, which we don't
Speaker 1: have to get into that I heard all about it.
Speaker 1: But it's so crazy. It's like Elizabeth Holmes meets Bernie
Speaker 1: made Off meets Firefested in a way. There's like a
Speaker 1: polyquel in the Bahamas. There's um this guy Chempan Jao
Speaker 1: and who's this like Darth Vader to his Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 1: But there's a crazy story here. Well you know what,
Speaker 1: it's giving what Jonah Hill's next Oscar play? And I've
Speaker 1: already campaigned to be c Z the Asian guy. He's like,
Speaker 1: who fucking leaked? Who kind of exposed him for all
Speaker 1: his worth? And I see you nominated for supporting supporting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because isn't the story about SPF or whatever it was about?
Speaker 1: What if it was not about SPF and it was
Speaker 1: about me, it could be about you. It just feels
Speaker 1: like the story is once again centering a white narrative.
Speaker 1: That's really what I have. That's my biggest problem is
Speaker 1: I'm constantly centering Jonah Hill. You are on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I am constantly making it all about Jonah. I'm getting
Speaker 1: him Prestesian Awards. Whatever. Jonah did something not a lot
Speaker 1: of others, which was what is transition from the Alison
Speaker 1: Jones pool of casting into prestige. Is that where he
Speaker 1: came from? I think he was in Allison Jones. I
Speaker 1: was just watching an interview with Aubrey Plaus because I
Speaker 1: was like, deep, I'm obsessed, I'm obsessed. I'm deep. I'm
Speaker 1: deep in a white lotus rabbit hole. As we all
Speaker 1: are a culture. And I was telling our guest about
Speaker 1: I was like, you should watch. And there's a rumor
Speaker 1: that the third season takes place in Asia. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: I have on good authority that it's going to take
Speaker 1: place in Asia, which makes so much sense. Like I
Speaker 1: think Mike White really is nailing like Italian cinema so well,
Speaker 1: and you were going to be giving? Is it going
Speaker 1: to be giving like one car? But I don't know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be giving. There's there's obviously gonna be some
Speaker 1: Asian influence, and I don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Could be giving Rastraman, could be giving Kurasawa. Absolutely, But
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, I trust Mike White to respectfully research
Speaker 1: the aesthetic, and I think he would pull it off.
Speaker 1: He's a genius, you know, he's fab I also think,
Speaker 1: you know, taking it back to Aubrey Plaza, which I
Speaker 1: am want to do anyway, the Aubrey Pasa thing. She
Speaker 1: got plucked out of the pool from Alison Jones. Jones,
Speaker 1: who was casting director, one of the great casting directors,
Speaker 1: and guest star of Barry and guest star Amazing Turn
Speaker 1: and Barry, which was on HBO. Not to be gross,
Speaker 1: but like, because I think you've met with her once, right,
Speaker 1: I've actually never met with her, but assumed. I don't
Speaker 1: think you ever actually met. But she knows. She knows
Speaker 1: me because she was casting Q Force. Right. I sat
Speaker 1: down with her one time years ago, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was weird enough for her. You
Speaker 1: weren't though you were weird enough. I think you were
Speaker 1: too cool. I think not even cool. I was just normal.
Speaker 1: I probably was too normal. And I know that that's
Speaker 1: not like a pejorative or anything, but I just I
Speaker 1: think she casts a type so well and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I fit into that, which I'm totally
Speaker 1: fine with. She obviously knows what she's doing. I think
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're talking about Alice. I think you're
Speaker 1: freaking weird, and I would cast you think I'm weird,
Speaker 1: and we're both I think We're all weirdos in this room,
Speaker 1: including Bahed. I think everyone here is a damn freak. Okay,
Speaker 1: So putting Jonah Hill aside, which I'm really sad about.
Speaker 1: You hate to put Jonah Hill Culture number six Matt
Speaker 1: Roger put Jonah Hill aside because I just there's so
Speaker 1: much to say, there really is. But I our guest,
Speaker 1: this is one of the greats. This is one of
Speaker 1: the people that are unforgettable. This is truly, I mean
Speaker 1: cross media, Oh my god, this is a trend setter.
Speaker 1: Literally literally if you even know what it means to
Speaker 1: do the partition slash yance drop, this guest gave you that.
Speaker 1: This guest gave you that and brought communities together. And
Speaker 1: now that the cast of Hamilton's was not a community
Speaker 1: before the Drop Challenge. No, in fact, they were at
Speaker 1: each other's throat. They were they hated each other. Well,
Speaker 1: every Broadway cast is at each other's throats. That's actually
Speaker 1: really could number four teen. Every Broadway cast at each
Speaker 1: other's throat, as alcast did it, and they needed that
Speaker 1: community at each other'sroats until the Drop Challenge period. So
Speaker 1: basically what we're saying is now that influence is becoming
Speaker 1: an even wider influence because you wanted to say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: the person who started the drop challenge is this incredible
Speaker 1: stand up and now it's so perfect, the timing is
Speaker 1: so well aligned. She's got a special coming out an
Speaker 1: HBO December tenth, The Intruder, directed by Technatarobe unbelievable, beautiful
Speaker 1: trail or beautiful set. We'll get into that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the aesthetic is strong. Absolutely, this is a true visionary,
Speaker 1: such a fun original voice. You don't throw that word
Speaker 1: around that much anymore original whatever you don't, I don't
Speaker 1: throw around original, not that either of us our authorities
Speaker 1: on those things. Can I say something? I don't really
Speaker 1: throw words around anyway. That's so true. I would never
Speaker 1: disrespect the word. You were so intentional with your words sentence.
Speaker 1: I would never disrespect a word. It's amazing. Let's sit
Speaker 1: in that three seconds. Please, Welcome to Lost Culture podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it was so riveting to just be
Speaker 1: in here while you all were talking, and I was
Speaker 1: trying not to give away even my voice, but you
Speaker 1: really did you? Really? You really? I couldn't I just
Speaker 1: let out let out during the Jonah Hill. I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: I lost it and you know your husband is here,
Speaker 1: but he opted to sit outside the recording because he
Speaker 1: has no self control. He would be wailing and screaming.
Speaker 1: He would, Yeah, he would. I mean with the Android
Speaker 1: the content that alto, I feel like I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: and tell him that's what he is. That's what he is.
Speaker 1: Are you Android? No, I'm not. But he takes all
Speaker 1: my social media photos and stuff. Honestly, the pictures do
Speaker 1: look better the cameras cameras. I mean, I phone always
Speaker 1: like catches up to pixel or catches up to like
Speaker 1: the Android stuff and the Samsung stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes those photos really look amazing. They're just better. The
Speaker 1: Drop Challenge was shot on that. All the videos the
Speaker 1: original Drop Challenge was shot on Android Androidlena Gums found
Speaker 1: out Andrew needs to advertise that, Hey, we're the guys
Speaker 1: who did drop challenge, and we're not the guys who
Speaker 1: did it, but we're the phone who did it. What's
Speaker 1: it like being in a marriage and an iPhone? And
Speaker 1: I was going to ask what is that like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean people typically don't. That's not the first thing
Speaker 1: they asked. So I am so glad the hard questions
Speaker 1: you know has been called the w t F Mark
Speaker 1: Marion Gay, I'm so glad you're like post race, post
Speaker 1: interracial marriage. That's not what that is. How about your
Speaker 1: phones though, I mean receiving links instead of just being
Speaker 1: able to send me a video That is kind of
Speaker 1: a whole thing. Yeah, I need to have WiFi to
Speaker 1: download a video so that I could then post it.
Speaker 1: But it's so tiny. You know. When that's love, When
Speaker 1: a whole last person is like helping me do social media,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it's that love conquers all. That's the
Speaker 1: lesson here, because what do you think when you go help?
Speaker 1: I wish I could tap back a ha ha or
Speaker 1: a heart or a thumbs up. You just can't. You
Speaker 1: just can't. Yeah, that's my thing. When I text an
Speaker 1: Andrew person, I go, oh, I want to react, but
Speaker 1: I can. I have to type a full sentence out.
Speaker 1: I know it forces communication, this conversation. There's no shorthand,
Speaker 1: there's no shortcuts. I know. It's it's more energy, you know,
Speaker 1: which is something that I noticed you two have a
Speaker 1: lot of, and I was like, wake up, pitch, wake no,
Speaker 1: you know it's five pm on a what we're going
Speaker 1: to call Thursday. Thursday, Um, so that's sort of giving
Speaker 1: end of the week vibes. So I would imagine that
Speaker 1: you are very busy. I am, but do you know,
Speaker 1: are we all? And sometimes I wonder, you know, most
Speaker 1: days I'm so tired, and I always I'm hard on
Speaker 1: myself because I see everyone, you know, we're all bringing
Speaker 1: our best foot forward right where we see each other right,
Speaker 1: like we're trying not to be sleepy. We're trying to
Speaker 1: be like hey, right, And so I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know everyone's nap schedule and stuff, but I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, oh gosh, do I need to go
Speaker 1: to the doctor. Most most time during the day, I'm
Speaker 1: like horizontally, Yeah, this is something that's befallen me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you tired? Are you a sleepy girl? I'm a
Speaker 1: sleepy girl. I don't get great sleep, which is sort
Speaker 1: of not a great matchup. But I feel like I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of days recently where I go I
Speaker 1: should just stay horizontal, which is not great. But like
Speaker 1: I tricked my mind into thinking you deserve this, and
Speaker 1: I probably don't. I think we do. I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to talk to people, you know about this. Yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like it in my borderline and neemia. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe maybe I need to keep my
Speaker 1: feet warm, like my acupuncturist says, I don't know. She
Speaker 1: says that feet warm for better energy something like that.
Speaker 1: You know it's good for us, right, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: cold feet is not good. I have cold feet a lot.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to make this into a health section.
Speaker 1: You know, it about time that it became health and wellness.
Speaker 1: I did get concerned for a second when you said
Speaker 1: that it was going to take place in Asia the
Speaker 1: next Yeah, and I was like, but will it be
Speaker 1: Jonah Hills story. Well, certainly there will be teaming with
Speaker 1: white cast, teaming with white cast. But I think the
Speaker 1: setup of the show is already such that it is
Speaker 1: about like the the usually the Americans who come I
Speaker 1: so far, it's always been Americans who go to these
Speaker 1: places first of his Hawaii. And you did have like
Speaker 1: some but it could it could have used more, to
Speaker 1: be honest, But there was some local perspective, right, There's
Speaker 1: definitely a lot of local perspective in this season. Yes,
Speaker 1: from this like the local Sicilians or the Italians who
Speaker 1: are I think the most compelling characters to me. And
Speaker 1: remember we've only seen We're recording this a little bit
Speaker 1: early for scheduling purposes, but we've seen now the first
Speaker 1: I've seen the first four. I've seen the first four
Speaker 1: because we have one of the white lottest cast members
Speaker 1: on the show and Lara have already been on. You
Speaker 1: all know it's Megan Fahy by now, so we discussed
Speaker 1: it with her. But what I've loved about this was
Speaker 1: that it feels like, at least with the Italian of
Speaker 1: it all, like communication is very influenced by amongst the characters,
Speaker 1: is very influenced by these Italians in the way they communicate,
Speaker 1: like the way that the hotel manager like. Of course
Speaker 1: it's a character decision to make her so forward and
Speaker 1: so authoritative, but also it seems very Italian. And I
Speaker 1: was watching an interview with her and she said that
Speaker 1: Italian acting styles is also very much more about like
Speaker 1: literally playing an emotion and not in happening. And I
Speaker 1: saw that, were yeah, but I mean I haven't watched
Speaker 1: a movie with the Italian influence and well that's the
Speaker 1: last one. I said, yes, but there there is that
Speaker 1: thing of like it is more just about like showing
Speaker 1: a big emotion and playing a bold thing, and I
Speaker 1: think that is very European. So I would be interested
Speaker 1: to see what the I guess communications style and what
Speaker 1: how that has influenced the cinema of our Asian cinema,
Speaker 1: like how that navigated and how that like negotiated in
Speaker 1: a white Lotus season. I think that would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Let's see. I mean I think maybe not in a
Speaker 1: neat way, not to put it neatly, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it probably there's something in the other direction where
Speaker 1: it's a lot more internal or whatever than I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a way we're years out from ever seeing it.
Speaker 1: And for you to be on HBO talk about that up,
Speaker 1: I know, what about what am I flirting with? Portrayal?
Speaker 1: What are the sentence we said portrayal? I think it
Speaker 1: was that it's so hard when you come up with
Speaker 1: so many amazing new colloquialism. You know, you only said
Speaker 1: that like five minutes ago, but I'm still thinking about
Speaker 1: Jonah Hill. I'm thinking about energy communication again. I am
Speaker 1: that's just what happens. It just it rubs off on
Speaker 1: you and then you start you start putting yourself second,
Speaker 1: because constantly Jonah Hill first, uh huh yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I haven't even thought about him and forever, and then
Speaker 1: you bring him up. That's your problem. I didn't you fail?
Speaker 1: You failed? You feel yourself? What can you tell us
Speaker 1: about this? You always wear the most incredible clothing. This
Speaker 1: is New Works. It's this like amazing brand that they're
Speaker 1: based out of the Bay Area, and then they have
Speaker 1: a store in l A two. They work with a
Speaker 1: lot of graphic artists. It's female owned. It's really great.
Speaker 1: The pants are too, It's just fun. A lot of colors. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you put a lot of and think a lot
Speaker 1: visually when it comes to your comedy, and obviously you do,
Speaker 1: But like, would you consider yourself like first and foremost
Speaker 1: of dual person. I'm actually I feel like I'm very auditory,
Speaker 1: but I don't like to spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: on looks. You know, I actually put things together very
Speaker 1: very fast, really, but I think I have pretty good instincts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's probably because it doesn't take
Speaker 1: much effort for you because it all comes very naturally.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. I don't know what that is
Speaker 1: where it's not like I came from like a fashion family,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I think it's out of laziness,
Speaker 1: but I like art. So it's just like whatever is quick.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, it helps make decisions fast because the
Speaker 1: connection between your appreciation for like art and visuals is
Speaker 1: very strong, between that and like your comedy or the
Speaker 1: way you want to present yourself. Because we're talking about
Speaker 1: the set design for the special. It's so gorgeous, it's
Speaker 1: beautiful and like someone executed that for you, but like
Speaker 1: it came from you, Like it's inspired by you, and
Speaker 1: it would not have it would not look the way
Speaker 1: it does if it weren't for like the things we
Speaker 1: know about Oticoto is like comedy and her and her
Speaker 1: visual style. I'm talking about you in the third person,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just like sort of bright. Some would
Speaker 1: maybe even say I'm like a feel good comedian, but yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you know and that like I just want you
Speaker 1: to feel seen to and so gosh, yeah, so colors
Speaker 1: always do it for me, like an all black event
Speaker 1: or something. I I've never been I go dark. I've
Speaker 1: never been so sad. No, I've actually never been invited.
Speaker 1: You've never been to a funeral then lucky. That's true. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: not many people die around or at least around it's
Speaker 1: also a front under title or at least you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't get invited. Yeah, oh yeah, I have not.
Speaker 1: I've never been to a funeral. You have. I've been
Speaker 1: a memorials. I've never been to a funeral. You've never
Speaker 1: been to a funeral? Yeah, I mean, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I've never been to I should say,
Speaker 1: and let me know if this tracks. I've never been
Speaker 1: to like a Western funeral, does that make sense. I've
Speaker 1: been my grandmother's in China, and that is a whole
Speaker 1: different thing. And it feels like we they were like
Speaker 1: mourners and stuff mourners, but we didn't have to hire anybody,
Speaker 1: or maybe we did. I don't, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: But there were a bunch of like people I never
Speaker 1: met before, ser strangers, like like it's a thing in
Speaker 1: Asia where sometimes the Higernea Stagia will hire people to
Speaker 1: like whale for professional whale. Okay, yes, yes, I had
Speaker 1: heard about Yeah, and I'm kind of fifty fifty on.
Speaker 1: I'm sure my sister who's listening will let me know,
Speaker 1: um why or let me know if there were, but literally,
Speaker 1: I mean like we it was my Grandmo's funeral, and
Speaker 1: like it was we were all white. We drove the
Speaker 1: the casket to like the family burial ground which is
Speaker 1: like two hours into the mountains. Um, we burn everything.
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible anyway. So I don't know why we
Speaker 1: got in funeral. No, that's just like such a different event,
Speaker 1: kind of very eventful compared to I think like a
Speaker 1: Western one where I mean it really could be anything. Well,
Speaker 1: there's like a week un but like there are different
Speaker 1: like events, so it's like I have like memorial service,
Speaker 1: then there's like a proper funeral. Yes I'm wrong. We
Speaker 1: did go to awake one. Yes, and we did go
Speaker 1: to a wake, but the week is it's a very
Speaker 1: drawn out process. But yeah, there it does sound different.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm interested in the concept of a professional whaler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like someone who is like encouraging the release
Speaker 1: of that emotion, which I think is probably helpful to
Speaker 1: some absolutely, uh huh. I think it's also a religious
Speaker 1: thing or based on a little bit or something about
Speaker 1: like they hear you in the heavens or something. Um,
Speaker 1: and then some people just do it to like really
Speaker 1: round out the environment. I feel like the atmosphere like yeah,
Speaker 1: look like yeah yeah yeah, or like you know, not
Speaker 1: everyone's emotive and it's like it should be sad or something.
Speaker 1: You know. Also, it's kind of like um because at
Speaker 1: the funerals that I've been to in my life, it
Speaker 1: is that sort of thing where when someone does break down,
Speaker 1: it feels very isolated and very chilling to hear, Whereas
Speaker 1: like maybe it's kind of nice to come into an
Speaker 1: atmosphere where the intent is that we are going to
Speaker 1: in a literal volume sense, released this emotion. Because there's
Speaker 1: nothing worse than hearing someone one person, than hearing one
Speaker 1: person begin like no, it's really it is it is.
Speaker 1: I went to one funeral where the person died far
Speaker 1: too young, and it was sort of very sudden, and
Speaker 1: so it was like there was a great degree of shock,
Speaker 1: and then to hear one family member like really break
Speaker 1: out like that, you almost wish everyone was in their
Speaker 1: streaming then hearing like the sounds of true pain and
Speaker 1: grief come out of nowhere. It's like an underwear party.
Speaker 1: It's like if one person is in their underwear when
Speaker 1: everyone else clothes, it's like shocking, but a funerals like
Speaker 1: an underwear party. It helps to have a convention, A
Speaker 1: paid person in there. Yes, sing like being like yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so get all with the everyone. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: start it for everyone. I'm gonna pay for people to
Speaker 1: come to whatever premiere event you're doing for the special
Speaker 1: in their underwear? Are you doing about I am, I'm
Speaker 1: doing a launch party. I shot it out here, but
Speaker 1: I'm doing it back in l A. Because I was
Speaker 1: like the people for yeah, where did you shoot it?
Speaker 1: And so I was able to like build my own set.
Speaker 1: I was telling Bowen, you know, like a theater is
Speaker 1: really nice, but it's also like someone else's aesthetic, and
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be able to like give people
Speaker 1: my aesthetic. Julio Torres shot his there too. I was
Speaker 1: able to give his aesthetic, you know, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's why I went with that. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: it's my first one on HBO, and so you know
Speaker 1: I want you to meet me. Yeah, that's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I think about, like, you know, your debut special is
Speaker 1: it's that thing where it's like, yes, the people that
Speaker 1: have followed you're going to understand and really, you know
Speaker 1: intrinsically get this and like be thrilled by the elements
Speaker 1: of you that you're offering. But it's also an introduction,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's also every like a
Speaker 1: huge amount of people, especially on HBO meeting you, right, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: And I think I want to be authentic. You know.
Speaker 1: Theater is like not traditionally a space. It means like
Speaker 1: a different level for me, and maybe even class wise
Speaker 1: or something. And I'm just like that wasn't me. And
Speaker 1: maybe you know, my my aesthetic, my art scenist the colorfulness.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like, oh, it's it's just authentic to me.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I don't do like a black tie
Speaker 1: event or something, because oh those are people that I
Speaker 1: traditionally didn't fit in with, you know, and so but
Speaker 1: to be able to do that would be cool, would
Speaker 1: be like you know, cause playing you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it would be fun to do that. Oh you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Maybe I'm returning this later. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what. It's just like just something nice. But
Speaker 1: even the jewelry I wear, you know, I wear a
Speaker 1: lot of like food candy earrings. I don't wear like
Speaker 1: fine jewelry because I would feel like someone else. It's
Speaker 1: cosplay because Okay, so for the readers at home, is
Speaker 1: wearing two egg is that? Is that an egg over easy?
Speaker 1: It is? Yeah, and they're they're gummies. Yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: actual like they were edible at one time. Risen, I
Speaker 1: wear a lot of food jewelry like that. I have
Speaker 1: like Cheeto ones like that. But it's just it's just
Speaker 1: very me. I'm very childlike, you know. And so yeah, um,
Speaker 1: when I'm in a space where it's like old money
Speaker 1: or something, I feel I feel like I suddenly I
Speaker 1: feel like I have to overcompensate. But it's it's that
Speaker 1: you know what the conventions are, which is black tie
Speaker 1: for one thing, or if it's a comedy special, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh it's at some big theater where the aesthetic is
Speaker 1: not is like you were saying, like, it's not your aesthetic,
Speaker 1: it's the aesthetic of some guy who some guy or
Speaker 1: a woman who died decades ago. Yeah, you know. And
Speaker 1: so for you, I feel like you probably intentionally or
Speaker 1: maybe unintentionally, but either way, you're you're making a choice
Speaker 1: to like do something very original, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why people like are drawn. That's why, like Chelsea Handler
Speaker 1: like reached out or like you guys became friends? How
Speaker 1: did you guys meet we became friends? A few years
Speaker 1: ago there was this Netflix competition show they were trying
Speaker 1: to do. You remember Rhythm and Flow. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a really great series. I've watched. The whole was
Speaker 1: like CARDI B T I Chance ye remember now they
Speaker 1: were trying to do this stand up comedy remember that?
Speaker 1: Remember that? But that was different from last comics standing
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, it was gonna be like a
Speaker 1: mentorship and then yeah, but it's not like a UM
Speaker 1: competition and there's challenges where you have to do stand up,
Speaker 1: but a laundrymat or something like the elements to write it,
Speaker 1: wasn't it like more of a holistic thing of like
Speaker 1: that you do stand up but also sketch and like that,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't it more of like a holesten. I
Speaker 1: think you're thinking maybe NBC's like, yes, I am something
Speaker 1: funny that Michael Longfellow, who just joined the cast, did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. This was this was Netflix and
Speaker 1: never aired because the pandemic hit. But that's where we
Speaker 1: met where I did jokes, I mean, I've known of
Speaker 1: her for a long time. We almost crossed paths. I
Speaker 1: had tweeted for her, or one time I actually filled
Speaker 1: in for her at a festival where it was a
Speaker 1: huge theater in Vegas. It was supposed to be Tig. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, she couldn't do it, so I did it.
Speaker 1: But they never told the audience. Oh really, it's just
Speaker 1: very different, you know. It's just like yeah, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to tell the audience anyway they want. You
Speaker 1: certainly have to tell the audience that Tichnatara was not
Speaker 1: going to be there. Tig claims the audience was pissed.
Speaker 1: I think it was fine, but but yeah, so we
Speaker 1: we always kind of missed each other. And then you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, if it takes this competition
Speaker 1: for her to finally see me, and then I was
Speaker 1: hoping she would choose me. It's like the voice you
Speaker 1: get a merried toor it's Neo Brennan, Tig Nataro and
Speaker 1: Dion Cole and uh yeah. And so you do your
Speaker 1: set in front of an audience and then you know,
Speaker 1: in the end, the three of them say thank you.
Speaker 1: None of us choose you, right, you know, And then Tig.
Speaker 1: Tig wanted me on her team, and so that's that's
Speaker 1: how we meant and we became close friends. And yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's amazing. You know, she's directed a ton of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think people maybe forget that Two Do Queens. She
Speaker 1: did a bunch of episodes of Two Dough Queen's her
Speaker 1: own TV show. She even directed Ellen's special Oh like
Speaker 1: to come Back one or the one like back in
Speaker 1: the Dead come Back one, And I think it's called
Speaker 1: relatable or something. Yeah, tickets, I think like one of
Speaker 1: the for lack of a better word, like masters are
Speaker 1: like there's another word that's like better. But it's like
Speaker 1: she just like understands the whole setup of stand up
Speaker 1: in a way that One of my favorite jokes is
Speaker 1: the Taylor Dames. That's a great bit. It's just commitment comment.
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. I'm sure people know about this,
Speaker 1: but if you don't know the Tichnataro Taylor Dame, look
Speaker 1: it out story the bit. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things in comedy. I would it's like rocks my world
Speaker 1: the first time you heard it. There's like something that
Speaker 1: connects you guys, I think, which is obviously like the singularity,
Speaker 1: like there's no one like Tig, There's no one like you,
Speaker 1: and so I almost feel like she really does understand
Speaker 1: how do she has a vision? Right, and so like
Speaker 1: you clearly have a lot of visions. So and that way,
Speaker 1: I really I understand it. Yeah, we're like confidently, all, Well,
Speaker 1: it's hard. I have a certain cadence. I don't use
Speaker 1: correct English when I talk. I make up words and
Speaker 1: sentence structures. They make weird noises when I'm doing stand up,
Speaker 1: and and it's like I don't quite fit in. I don't.
Speaker 1: I haven't done a ton of traditional media because I
Speaker 1: think it is hard for me to fit into other
Speaker 1: people's worlds. So that's my stand up is my favorite
Speaker 1: art form because I get to sort of be me.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Taylor Dane and like the commitment to
Speaker 1: just being you, that's something that Tig has always done.
Speaker 1: You know, she was offer only, like she and she says,
Speaker 1: look way before I should have been offer only. But
Speaker 1: she's like, I just couldn't keep auditioning for these things
Speaker 1: that were like I was not going to fit into
Speaker 1: and so perfect examples is everything you see her in
Speaker 1: Star Trek or that Wild Zombie movie where she replaced
Speaker 1: Chris Delia. Do you know about that? I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's wild, right, even the idea of it.
Speaker 1: When they announced that Tig was replacing Chris Delia wildly
Speaker 1: different and chorus. I was cracking up about how perfect
Speaker 1: it actually is Chris Delia's world Letergy to like Tig
Speaker 1: just being like, it's the end of the world, It's
Speaker 1: a zombie apopalypse, and her just being like, let's blow
Speaker 1: their brains out, and she had to do it on
Speaker 1: a green screen by herself because they already shot the
Speaker 1: movie at the cast there, and I'm like, only she
Speaker 1: can actually pull that off, And you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's literally cutting her out of her
Speaker 1: own world and putting it into these worlds. And she's
Speaker 1: the same in all of these roles. I'm telling it,
Speaker 1: She's just being tigged. The space is exploding in Star Trek,
Speaker 1: everything is going wild around her, and she's still like, hey, so, uh,
Speaker 1: can you just pass me that pen? Like she's just
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'm obsessed obviously, But what
Speaker 1: you were saying is like she really saw that with
Speaker 1: me too, And um, yeah, because it's it's hard, you know,
Speaker 1: when you get an audition or something, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I do this voice or something. You have to
Speaker 1: do the most to fit into something that clearly is
Speaker 1: not you, and then like, yeah, it takes a very
Speaker 1: confident performer to just be like, no, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: them me even though it's not you on the paper.
Speaker 1: When I'm saying is I don't have range and the
Speaker 1: range is over right, it's not necessary depending on what
Speaker 1: you do, Matt saying this as someone with range, that
Speaker 1: you do have range, you know that. Yeah, So like
Speaker 1: what's something that's maybe a little out of range that
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, maybe I want to try doing
Speaker 1: that that no one ever sends me an audition for
Speaker 1: no one ever for me, Yeah, thinks of you for
Speaker 1: like what kind of character. I think that that's changing
Speaker 1: a little bit now, Like I think now that I've
Speaker 1: acted a little bit more and people see that I'm
Speaker 1: capable of doing it, that's changing a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Like I've recently gotten auditions for things where I ordinarily
Speaker 1: would think that they would want to see me for
Speaker 1: another part, and they saw me for whatever, like whatever,
Speaker 1: I didn't book it. So now just say, like they
Speaker 1: wanted me to read for Fiarro and Wicked, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I would think they would put me in
Speaker 1: like something else, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: would think like if they were casting like a box
Speaker 1: and how you see yourself versus how other people see
Speaker 1: you as very to me it made and I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows, But I guess the thing is like that's
Speaker 1: the thing of just not taking yourself seriously and off
Speaker 1: right too, And that's I guess That's another thing is
Speaker 1: it's like when you really are confident, you can look
Speaker 1: at an audition and be like, yeah, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: no matter what. I know what I'm gonna do. Like
Speaker 1: Aubrey Plaza does that, you know what I mean? To
Speaker 1: the point yeah, yes, and to the point where now
Speaker 1: it's like she's playing this character that was written for
Speaker 1: her by Mike White, and there's so much Aubrey in it.
Speaker 1: But it's also like nothing she's played before you, right,
Speaker 1: but it is extremely layered. Whereas like you could see
Speaker 1: her in the beginning of her career and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: Aubrey Plaza only does Aubrey Plaza. But there's like now
Speaker 1: you're able to see dimension within that because she's mastered
Speaker 1: what she's able to do and she's so confident. I mean,
Speaker 1: like talk about someone who, like with traditional media, has
Speaker 1: to make the choice to be her, Like every interview
Speaker 1: she does is so fucking funny because she trolls every
Speaker 1: single interview she ever speaks, at least she did for
Speaker 1: years in the beginning. Now maybe it's different, but that's
Speaker 1: something I really respect about people who are like singular
Speaker 1: and energy is it's like, yeah, you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: I didn't see it here on the page for myself,
Speaker 1: and I've been in my head about it, but now
Speaker 1: I can give myself because I know myself. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that this all sort of is floating around the question
Speaker 1: of the show, which we must ask you, which is
Speaker 1: os go. What was the culture that made you say
Speaker 1: culture is for me? So this is that thing that
Speaker 1: you consumed in terms of pop culture or even culture
Speaker 1: at large that you can look back on now and
Speaker 1: be like, m that was formative or that was defining
Speaker 1: de Yeah, I mean there was there was a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, from like pop up videos to Janet Jackson
Speaker 1: sing two of her in Gosh, which song was it?
Speaker 1: When I think when I think of you, you think
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, there was like two yeah, yeah, yeah, like okay. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, so I'm not a good singer, so
Speaker 1: oftentimes when I try to sing something, um, people interpret
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to and that was awesome, but it's
Speaker 1: not that song. It is not that song. I don't
Speaker 1: know enough to um. You know this is by the way,
Speaker 1: Wicked was a really difficult audition for me. Also for
Speaker 1: like thirty two bars I said and I checked, I
Speaker 1: was like a minute and a half. I'm the kind
Speaker 1: of singer when I say I'm not like a pretty singer.
Speaker 1: I mean when we have like a musical sing off
Speaker 1: at a party or something, I always get the that
Speaker 1: part like if it's lame as up, yeah, sing talky villain,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I yeah, I get you know those
Speaker 1: sing tay villain is hard because you have to be
Speaker 1: really compelling in order to do it, and people think like, oh,
Speaker 1: the sing takey villain. But like those are like those
Speaker 1: are really fun parts and those are hard parts. No,
Speaker 1: it is fun, yeah, but I'm not you know, if
Speaker 1: everyone's like what song, I'm like, oh, you know, it
Speaker 1: was like oh when ill of things together again together again,
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's oh my gosh, yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: not even the culture video culture those really gosh. I
Speaker 1: saw so many people with confidence and you know, and
Speaker 1: just like being singular artists because music videos at that
Speaker 1: time were also more original and dared to, you know,
Speaker 1: go places that like, we're not scared that the audience
Speaker 1: might get bored, you know. But I think for me,
Speaker 1: I went to Hollywood Bowl concert of Snoop Dogg and
Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers, which what is that combination? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's why I bought tickets.
Speaker 1: And it was a fundraiser for Snoop Dogg's Sons football team,
Speaker 1: which I think he raised way too much money for
Speaker 1: the ridotball teams, like the middle school. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think you got it. I think no, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. I was like, or like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: give the team to grand right, I have to perform. Well,
Speaker 1: he obviously wanted to get on the bill. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was it was? It was wild? I was like, do
Speaker 1: these two energies match? And I love juxtapositions like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm I really liked hip hop and dance hall
Speaker 1: music and I feel like, you know, when people see
Speaker 1: me speaking of like what other people think of you
Speaker 1: role wise and stuff people see me. You know, I
Speaker 1: look like, you know, I own an art gallery, you know.
Speaker 1: But my true loves are like dance hall music, which
Speaker 1: is like Jamaican. But it doesn't make sense. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense that I can like make my butt move
Speaker 1: in different ways. You I would never see my body
Speaker 1: and think, oh, this body of an engineer, you know,
Speaker 1: can that I got from my father, that I got
Speaker 1: from my father could do stuff like that. But I
Speaker 1: love juxtapositions like that, how that could live together in
Speaker 1: a world. And I think that was when it was
Speaker 1: inspired seeing Flee go wild in that Lakers jersey. I
Speaker 1: don't watch sports, but Lakers jersey and Snoop Dog doing
Speaker 1: something for the greater good, which is the football team,
Speaker 1: all these things that aren't my interest a lot of sports.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, but it means something to
Speaker 1: both of them. It was really cool. It enhances the other.
Speaker 1: And so I feel like we're already like at the saturation.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like connecting a lot of dots here.
Speaker 1: But I feel like people think that what people want
Speaker 1: and crossover culture is that, like it's like, look it's
Speaker 1: all your favorite things in one spe But it's best
Speaker 1: if it's like two things that you would never expect
Speaker 1: to be together, not even a bunch of things, but
Speaker 1: just maybe two things at minimum obviously, but like to
Speaker 1: create that juxtaposition. And then that's what's interesting because you
Speaker 1: don't need like all of these things happening at once.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I love that. That's a great
Speaker 1: way of thinking about it because I feel like you
Speaker 1: are a very kinetic physical performer too, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like in all your TikTok's, especially in the drop challenge,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, look like can like like pop
Speaker 1: her ass out and like and like get into a
Speaker 1: squadhop lock and drop it. Yes, that train as answer.
Speaker 1: I took a lot of like ballet classes when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and I was a cheerleader in high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there, Yeah, there's a lot of like dance and
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, my performance for a while.
Speaker 1: Um yeah and so yeah, so I really loved that.
Speaker 1: But you're right, like, too much of the same thing
Speaker 1: will eventually just not mesh it clashes yeah not in
Speaker 1: uh yeah, um sometimes Okay, when I see like Katie Perry,
Speaker 1: you know, performance that is maybe a lot like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to look at and maybe it's too much. Yes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a degree of maximalism. Are that
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just like you think it's purposefully and iore
Speaker 1: and then you're like, but how could that be? Like
Speaker 1: maybe this is just too much. I think like that
Speaker 1: that that's why that Shark character was such a big deal,
Speaker 1: because you just start focusing on someone else, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's not your intention, you know. I think
Speaker 1: that also Left Shark was just not nailing the dancing,
Speaker 1: which couldn't be funny and ultimately was like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I watched that back and I don't notice the I
Speaker 1: really don't either. I think people are picking on Left
Speaker 1: Shark unfair. Yeah I never understood. Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: But I think it's because there was too much going on.
Speaker 1: So it's just like something, oh didn't the finn wasn't
Speaker 1: high enough, you know, And yeah, I think that's what happened.
Speaker 1: The Shark was probably rebelling a little too, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why you you got to interview all your
Speaker 1: backup dancers before you you hired them. I want to
Speaker 1: say I was just gonna say you need to get
Speaker 1: backup dancers for your next for my Largosco and Friends shows.
Speaker 1: I have started with dance numbers before, and I have
Speaker 1: had backup dancers. But if anyone can like inject that
Speaker 1: into like the stand up aesthetic can break that up,
Speaker 1: like if Julio not to just because we've talked about before,
Speaker 1: but were we can have a conveyor belt and like
Speaker 1: just have things go by like that's his like only
Speaker 1: he can do that, right, But I feel like you
Speaker 1: can be one of the only people who can bring
Speaker 1: out a bunch of backup dancers for your for your
Speaker 1: special you know. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: you have. Do you treat them well? Ahere rehearsal just
Speaker 1: you know, I keep it shut again, And I don't
Speaker 1: like drawn out things. I'm very instincts gut like energy
Speaker 1: was good, so why beat it till like it's perfect?
Speaker 1: I like chaos a little bit. That's funny, especially started
Speaker 1: like dirty minutes long. Yeah that's good. I think that's
Speaker 1: actually better. Yeah. I feel sometimes crazy when I feel
Speaker 1: like I've run things too much. Oh it's not good.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hitting that well down too. Yeah, we've talked
Speaker 1: about this like being a rehearsal person, like you sort
Speaker 1: of have to be because of the nature of what
Speaker 1: you do. But even at SNL, like if I run
Speaker 1: things too much, it ruins it. I go on stage
Speaker 1: like I've had it happened like this past run of
Speaker 1: shows where like I just ran a thing into the ground,
Speaker 1: and then I show up at dress and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this doesn't I lost the threat. I just I just
Speaker 1: and it's and it's a terrible feeling. It happens to everybody. Yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes you compare yourself to a former version. You're like, yourself, Oh,
Speaker 1: it was so good when I first did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, even as you're delivering the lines, you go, oh,
Speaker 1: that didn't get as hard of a left as like
Speaker 1: the rehearsal or whatever, and you know, you stand up.
Speaker 1: I really really rehearse that hole. But you know that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a chance to do it off
Speaker 1: Broadway before taping for HBO, But I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm that kind of performer where I
Speaker 1: can do four hundred shows and then tape it. You know,
Speaker 1: I need that raw energy. Yeah, it's interesting because with
Speaker 1: mine it was totally different because I've done it so
Speaker 1: many times and we're a long time. Yeah, because it
Speaker 1: was singing, we were going to tape two, so did
Speaker 1: you tape it twice? So traditionally that's like what it
Speaker 1: is for everyone out there, like if you're watching a
Speaker 1: comedy special, that's like probably two performances edited together to
Speaker 1: make it the best of what it is. But Carmic, well,
Speaker 1: he did it four times. Can you imagine sorry sorry
Speaker 1: talking No, I literally I can't imagine doing it four times.
Speaker 1: But also his thing is so different, Like the reason
Speaker 1: why it's like, how do you do that four times
Speaker 1: and act like you're saying it for the first time?
Speaker 1: I have secrets like four times? But he's just sitting
Speaker 1: like in that same posture the whole time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would imagine that that because that's like an emotional show.
Speaker 1: And I think because it's like it's so thoughtful and
Speaker 1: he does even in the way that they shot it.
Speaker 1: And I worked with that production company on this, and
Speaker 1: so they were saying, like, you know, it really does
Speaker 1: take place like almost like an avoid what he's doing,
Speaker 1: Like in the way that it's shot, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like allows him to sort of like maybe doing it
Speaker 1: four times allowed different discoveries because it almost is like
Speaker 1: a monologue before it is stand up totally and it's
Speaker 1: very bo Burnham too. I feel like just in recent history,
Speaker 1: between Gerard's thing and with Kate Berlanche show, and you
Speaker 1: know they've run those things a million times, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've watched Kate's show in New York and
Speaker 1: it was like very clear that this had to have
Speaker 1: been restant million times. I'm just saying, how do you
Speaker 1: rehearse long silences? I'm saying, you know, and who knows
Speaker 1: what editing is with s and so so there's that
Speaker 1: and also but with mine, it was like just because
Speaker 1: it was singing, I just wanted to make sure I
Speaker 1: could do it two times in a row because I
Speaker 1: never have because your voice gets tired. Um. So the
Speaker 1: week before I did like a thing at Joe's Pub
Speaker 1: where I just did it twice in a row just
Speaker 1: to prove to myself I could do it, so that
Speaker 1: I could like literally know in my body like it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel insane to sing, you know, twenty five songs
Speaker 1: in a night, which is which is a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: And then like the sketches in between that you just
Speaker 1: shot afterwards, right okay, yeah, and then hopefully, well I
Speaker 1: hoped in the edit that it would come together. Does
Speaker 1: your is yours? Like multimedia? Is your? Just stand up?
Speaker 1: Stand up? We tried a tiny, tiny sketch in the beginning.
Speaker 1: I was afraid, like sometimes for a stand up show
Speaker 1: it could be a little cheesy, but were like, let's
Speaker 1: just make it sure. You know, it's just my grandma
Speaker 1: being like do you have any yet putting something in
Speaker 1: my mouth before I go on stage. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: just didn't work out. It didn't feel like it was
Speaker 1: in the voice yeah, or not the way you want
Speaker 1: to like be introducing yourself right off the top, because
Speaker 1: those opening seconds are really important, right, and it just
Speaker 1: didn't match where I was like, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: just a stand up show totally, and have your grandmother
Speaker 1: in the end is so nice because she is such
Speaker 1: a part of your life and also like part of
Speaker 1: like your work where Common referenced her a lot. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: without spoiling anything, the title the Intruder is about someone
Speaker 1: who came to your your house, right, Okay, you obviously
Speaker 1: get into it in the special, but like, what's like
Speaker 1: the general plot summary of that, because that's a lot.
Speaker 1: He came to our house three times in one day,
Speaker 1: and so I was trying to figure out. I was
Speaker 1: touring my hour of stand up. It was sort of
Speaker 1: it had through line, but it was jokes for an hour.
Speaker 1: And then I worked with Mike bar Bigley a lot
Speaker 1: and he's, you know, really great at story structure and
Speaker 1: he's on Broadway now, and I was telling him, my, gosh,
Speaker 1: I have this story that I can't fit into my hour.
Speaker 1: This intruder came to my house three times and a
Speaker 1: day and he goes, wait, that's three acts and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I didn't even think of that, just
Speaker 1: needs someone to say it. And then and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's there. Right. So it starts with
Speaker 1: first intrusion, second intrusion, third intrusion, and how we got
Speaker 1: rid of the guy, you know, and and ultimately so
Speaker 1: good now, like I mean, I want to watch it
Speaker 1: right now. You know, sometimes it really takes another person
Speaker 1: to look at you and go you are Darcy or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you know what I mean. Any I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought of that. Yeah, And ultimately it's really
Speaker 1: about like all the things that made you feel like
Speaker 1: a freak growing up, or all the things that you
Speaker 1: feel like you're an outsider, those are your superpowers. And
Speaker 1: so that's kind of what this show is really I
Speaker 1: think about, Yeah, who are your favorite comedians? Tig is actual? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tig for sure. Yeah, that's what I would be an
Speaker 1: iconic answer for anyone, even if she wasn't directing exactly.
Speaker 1: But we know that you're just sucking up. This might
Speaker 1: be the first episode of must culture together listens to
Speaker 1: I guarantee she's never listened to it. I guarantee stuff
Speaker 1: she might have. Maybe I think she ground. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever tweeted for Tig. Do you ever tweet?
Speaker 1: I tweeted one day for take and it was like
Speaker 1: the best day of my life. You just think I'm done,
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, and life is really long. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep doing ship. I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: pay your bills. Okay, I thought, I mean tweeting for
Speaker 1: a take. It's really she doesn't even know you're doing it.
Speaker 1: It's such a cool thing that she does though. Smart.
Speaker 1: Remember there was like a moment where like the ball
Speaker 1: was really being passed around like circle, and I was
Speaker 1: like I was like any day now, and it never never,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, now I know what it's
Speaker 1: like to feel like that kid on the court, please please,
Speaker 1: but they're like whatever, that wasn't the best tweeter anyway.
Speaker 1: I feel like it becomes work for a day. Two, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You have to be prolific, and then
Speaker 1: when you're prolific, like six out of ten things aren't good.
Speaker 1: It's like taking over someone's Instagram. You're like, okay, now
Speaker 1: for the day, you have to be stakes and funny
Speaker 1: and on. And you know, it was a different time.
Speaker 1: It was a really nice at least when I did.
Speaker 1: I think she still does it, she does, but when
Speaker 1: I did it back in the day, like the was
Speaker 1: like and like Twitter was even back then, even post election,
Speaker 1: post Trump, it was like a better, nicer place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so like it was a different thing
Speaker 1: back then too. Well, you could tweet something and not
Speaker 1: know that it wasn't necessarily going to be received in
Speaker 1: bad faith automatically like now, I feel like nowadays on
Speaker 1: Twitter it's like if you put something out there, it's
Speaker 1: like probably someone's gonna troll you for sure? Are you offen? Now?
Speaker 1: To we share Twitter, and so at any given time,
Speaker 1: like if you want to, if you want to tweet something,
Speaker 1: well tweet we can like and then we sometimes do,
Speaker 1: but it's like far in few between now that we like,
Speaker 1: make a joke tweet. Yeah, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: we're more visual people. Instagram is nice. Nice. And also
Speaker 1: there's something about this TikTok girl, you too talk about
Speaker 1: TikTok because I'll quickly how did you like you understood it?
Speaker 1: Because it took me like a couple of days to
Speaker 1: understand what the funk? I still don't like it. I
Speaker 1: still yeah, it's where I just archived things, to be honest,
Speaker 1: it's nowhere here where I go first, bless you, bless you,
Speaker 1: thank you, and so you're on it. So I mean, well, Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike for Bigley, who's not like you know, no offense,
Speaker 1: but just like forward, he was like, you gotta be
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Do you want to be forgotten? Or if
Speaker 1: you're on TikTok Dad and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he's a dad and like you know, on Broadway
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, like, yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need right. I was like, okay, do you have one. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: so then that's interesting. Yeah, so we're all trying not
Speaker 1: to be forgotten, I guess, And so we're on there.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought about joining it, but only because okay,
Speaker 1: not to reference myself, but back in the days when
Speaker 1: I would do the lip sync videos, people be like,
Speaker 1: bo when you have to join this is like they're like, bohen,
Speaker 1: you have to join TikTok before I feel like pandemic.
Speaker 1: Really they would have exploded on TikTok. It's not but
Speaker 1: it's not even that. I'm just like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I just missed it completely, Like I landed on what
Speaker 1: like would have been good for it, and I just
Speaker 1: totally didn't move past it. And now I'm like, well
Speaker 1: now I now I don't have like a good way
Speaker 1: in anymore. And so I felt the same way about
Speaker 1: my Taylor Swift things. Yeah, like those were essentially made
Speaker 1: for TikTok and I just did it on. You know,
Speaker 1: our friend Paul mccallean said that the original TikTok's were
Speaker 1: Fortnits in Orlando. We didn't know, I you have this
Speaker 1: are great And honestly I did post one on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Did well. Really like people liked it like it's us
Speaker 1: from like truly people long time ago, and you were
Speaker 1: just like editing in I was editing while we were
Speaker 1: at Disney World. I was directing, Matt was directing, and
Speaker 1: like you know, had the shot list or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's a ton of work. It's it's done of work.
Speaker 1: And it was back when Instagram only did fifteen second videos,
Speaker 1: so we were like, oh, this is great. Like the
Speaker 1: limitation is we have to do an episode ode of
Speaker 1: the story in fifteen seconds, and so the cutsbur crazy,
Speaker 1: and it was literally just being like okay, now, but
Speaker 1: when you stand there and I'm putting the camera as
Speaker 1: far as possible to your face and you're gonna say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you soon, and then we just have
Speaker 1: taken that tipe and I would give it to him
Speaker 1: and he'd put the music on and like it was
Speaker 1: inspired by American horror story. Yes, when I get home
Speaker 1: posting gay ghost post because I posted I posted what
Speaker 1: is the one? I posted which war? Which war? So
Speaker 1: there's which war? There's a gay ghost and then the
Speaker 1: other good one is shape shape shifters. They're they were
Speaker 1: they were inspired by American horror story. Yeah, and anthology
Speaker 1: when you resurfaced them or whatever, right you Yeah, posted
Speaker 1: it more recently again, people on TikTok love the d
Speaker 1: I y. They like stupid little bits. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: still getting used to the fact that you can post
Speaker 1: a TikTok that's like five seconds totally and some of
Speaker 1: those are the are the biggest one. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's and I don't feel this way with Instagram.
Speaker 1: It feels very like, oh, I'll just post what I
Speaker 1: want to post. But on TikTok, it feels like there's
Speaker 1: a prompt in front of me, there's a gun to
Speaker 1: my I had like make some is off because everyone
Speaker 1: is so loose about it, Like it's literally just like fuckingna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something today tonight. Yeah, just for fun.
Speaker 1: But it has to be fun for you. And when
Speaker 1: I have fun, it's good. But I try not to
Speaker 1: stress about it because you know it can't be because stressful.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be stressful. Yeah, there has to
Speaker 1: be one that's fun, and that's I guess. I was like,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to get on TikTok, like it'll be fun,
Speaker 1: you know, even maybe more stupid or more basic than
Speaker 1: anything I would put on like Instagram, right, and then
Speaker 1: it trust me, it has been no, no, I have
Speaker 1: someone there that I'm like, okay, I guess that songs
Speaker 1: underneath me going yeah, you know, that's fine. It's whatever
Speaker 1: it's out there. It sort of tells you what to do.
Speaker 1: And that's what I like about the you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like you go to f I P
Speaker 1: and you see what's trending and you're like, okay, oh
Speaker 1: that's okay. See that's what I'm missing, is that I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do I know? Right, there's a prompt? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's it's like the culture is
Speaker 1: telling you what the prompt is and then you respond
Speaker 1: to that by doing your own, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like it's almost like crafty in that way.
Speaker 1: It's crafty in that way. I like that. I like
Speaker 1: that as in like I thought it was so alien
Speaker 1: to like figure out what to even post, but now
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it's like it's anything. It's anything. Or
Speaker 1: you can just be like I just did this thing
Speaker 1: by and then see how it reacts. It might get
Speaker 1: two views because what I just said wasn't interesting, but
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, but then it's like the
Speaker 1: weird ship that does pop off that you're like, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: and then to be actually a creator of one of
Speaker 1: the great games you're on like Hollow Grounds. It was
Speaker 1: so fun to watch people's remix. I learned so much
Speaker 1: about different occupations. Jobs. I didn't jobs I didn't even
Speaker 1: know exist that people would do it out there. We
Speaker 1: have to do one when we're done with this. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah you already y'all did one at which awards? I
Speaker 1: feel like you did it? Did at Critics Choice? Did
Speaker 1: we do? We did want? I've done multiple times already.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, And I mean it's always it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. It also throws back to that great to drop.
Speaker 1: I've always loved that part of the song. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's like there's something to it. I mean it
Speaker 1: was just us being silly in little Tokyo of Los Angeles. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the occupations were wild. There was there was
Speaker 1: like a person who a rock splitter, so just like
Speaker 1: every time they would yeah, every time he would go
Speaker 1: down and break the rock, he would squat down. Yeah
Speaker 1: is that possible? Like you put all your weight forward?
Speaker 1: But then you also do lower body. Yeah, it's wild,
Speaker 1: very athletic. You know. There was a person like a
Speaker 1: fisherman on a boat doing it and then fell over
Speaker 1: but kept that and that's the one he posted. People
Speaker 1: died as a result of the drop, not that I know,
Speaker 1: but that when I when he fell over, I was like,
Speaker 1: what have I done? Yeah? Yeah, killed a man with
Speaker 1: that as also the cast of Hamilton. That's how I
Speaker 1: met this season's cast. That's how I met Asian Aaron Burr.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's so good. Okay, yeah, so good. Okay,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen he's excellent as he's in great Aaron Burr. Okay,
Speaker 1: I took my parents to see him. Did you go
Speaker 1: because of him? Or it's like you just went to
Speaker 1: go see it and this happened to be the cast
Speaker 1: kind of both, Like I knew that he was going
Speaker 1: on and he just started it. And then my parents
Speaker 1: were in town and I was like, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: him to see Hamiles at my dad falls asleep. Well,
Speaker 1: he just he it's nothing. He didn't love me, just
Speaker 1: fell asleep. He was tired. Well, the city is a lot.
Speaker 1: The city is a lot travel travel, But my mom
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this is amazing. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: mom gets it. Yeah, it's great. It's a good parent show.
Speaker 1: It's a great parent show. Yeah, because it's history. Literally,
Speaker 1: there's love. There's love, there's love history, there's a murderous
Speaker 1: intrigue thing you want. There's flirting with betrayal, and there's
Speaker 1: actual betrayal. Yea. But it is always like three hours
Speaker 1: is how long. It's pretty long. It's three hours. Doesn't
Speaker 1: feel it doesn't feel long. Now, it's like it's a
Speaker 1: typical Broadway musical. Like I was talking about Hamilton's. I
Speaker 1: know it was. You know, it's seen a drop challenge.
Speaker 1: I have seen it. I haven't seen it, not this cast.
Speaker 1: I was saying, that's how I met, you know, Asian.
Speaker 1: I know that's cool. I feel like, freaking, who's the
Speaker 1: main Hamilton. It has been a million years, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like Hamilton was Asian two. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there might have been an Asian Hamilton's somewhere, but it
Speaker 1: did bring communities together and that I was discovering folks too,
Speaker 1: and that was really cool to see. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: that kind of TikTok challenge where anyone anywhere can do it,
Speaker 1: which is perfect. It's not like it's even better than
Speaker 1: like a full on choreo dance. Yeah, because those are
Speaker 1: takes a lot of buying for people to like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta learn it and then do it. But it's
Speaker 1: like the prompt is to do something like anywhere and
Speaker 1: that's the fun of it. Can be on a fishing boat,
Speaker 1: it can be right you're sitting here so excited that
Speaker 1: we're going to do one. We'll do one. We'll like
Speaker 1: sit into our seats like we were about to record,
Speaker 1: and then you can do one getting up to the beach. Perfect.
Speaker 1: There's so many that is a good one. Sitting down
Speaker 1: to record, to record, we can make the chairs really
Speaker 1: to watch this? Oh no, I guess my chairs. So
Speaker 1: you love those chairs where you can pull the lever
Speaker 1: and they go down and all the way down. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was stationary and didn't go down,
Speaker 1: so it's so thrilling. I didn't go that far. But
Speaker 1: like I used to have a chair when I was
Speaker 1: like one of those like because your body was smaller,
Speaker 1: because my body was smaller, and the computer trays and
Speaker 1: like you go so happy and you can just go
Speaker 1: I was like being on the Tower of Tower in
Speaker 1: your own home period is now Guardians in the Galaxy.
Speaker 1: So does the corrected me. I have like some Disney
Speaker 1: jokes in my hour, and and then someone came out right,
Speaker 1: of course, oh please, that nerd. You know, Disneyland is
Speaker 1: tough because there's you know, you think you're a fan
Speaker 1: of Disneyland, and then there's bigger fans you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: people who pick it it outside. Remember they were like
Speaker 1: bring back the magic. We talked all about it when
Speaker 1: it happened. We were like, this is a little too
Speaker 1: much because I was like, oh, maybe I'm obsessing too much.
Speaker 1: I was like looking at the ticket links and when
Speaker 1: is it open again? You know, stuff like that I
Speaker 1: do the lightning. Yeah, so you're up to date on
Speaker 1: how to navigate the parks. Now people call me a
Speaker 1: Disney adult, you know, and I see that and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not like that, right. People call us Disney adults,
Speaker 1: and we're like no, no, no, yeah, we're just like
Speaker 1: we're organized so that we can have a not so
Speaker 1: stressful day. Well, don't even get me started, because nowadays
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't tell you the link to this
Speaker 1: taking article that goes in depth about how fucked up
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy, and like how
Speaker 1: fucked up? What is? So basically the pricing of it.
Speaker 1: So basically they talked about they basically broke it down
Speaker 1: in a way that no like major publication really has
Speaker 1: about exactly how much money it is, like say for
Speaker 1: a family of four, right, so it's like a hundred
Speaker 1: sixty nine dollars or whatever the fun for like a
Speaker 1: one park ticket, and then you get the add on
Speaker 1: to go to both parks, and then like when you
Speaker 1: get in, you have to pay for the Disney Plus
Speaker 1: server or the Plus service. And then there's certain rides
Speaker 1: like Rides of the Resistance, which have you done that, Yes, unbelievable,
Speaker 1: but one hasn't done any But you have to pay
Speaker 1: twenty bucks to do that one on top of the
Speaker 1: amount you've already paid. Not a single word has been
Speaker 1: said yet about buying food, which you also have to
Speaker 1: like get a reservation if you want to sit down
Speaker 1: and eat, like months in advance. And then there's also
Speaker 1: the whole ordering of the food thing. You can't just
Speaker 1: walk up to a kiosk and buy food. You have
Speaker 1: to order in an intervance, and then nothing has been
Speaker 1: said yet about hotels, transportation, like all these things that
Speaker 1: add up to basically an amount of money that you're
Speaker 1: paying being And also like I haven't even gotten into
Speaker 1: how confusing the app is if you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're doing. If yeah, like my parents who had to
Speaker 1: navigate all of that, like when we were growing up,
Speaker 1: like didn't forget it, like English not their first language,
Speaker 1: Like they could never do it now and it would
Speaker 1: just get in line and then just stand there thinking
Speaker 1: this is my only right and it's like, no, you
Speaker 1: can skip the line, but it's like you'd have to.
Speaker 1: They just suffer exactly. But it's like what we've been saying,
Speaker 1: what you've been saying, Matt, and what I think everybody thinks.
Speaker 1: It's like it used to be this attainable middle class thing,
Speaker 1: like you bring your kids to Disneyland or Disney World,
Speaker 1: and then like that's like an accessible, attainable thing, it's
Speaker 1: the happiest place on earth, and now it's just so
Speaker 1: cost prohibitive and it's all about the bottom line for
Speaker 1: the parks for Disney. But it's also like the reason
Speaker 1: that fast pass was invented was because people at Disney
Speaker 1: were like, oh, the more people wait in line, the
Speaker 1: less they're buying gifts, and so you might as well incentivize.
Speaker 1: It helps everybody if you take them out of the line,
Speaker 1: and like expedity. But now it's just like it's there's
Speaker 1: no good reason for anything. And another thing too, is
Speaker 1: the fan community is now railing against them in a
Speaker 1: major way, like all of the YouTube bloggers and the
Speaker 1: bloggers and stuff like that, like people that have devoted
Speaker 1: all their time and energy, like exactly, this is like
Speaker 1: a part of the culture. This is the culture that
Speaker 1: made them say cultures for them down and like they
Speaker 1: have this season passes and they go into the park
Speaker 1: every day and update you on like what's under construction,
Speaker 1: what's being added, etcetera. It is an entire ecosystem and
Speaker 1: fan community. They now are all being like this is
Speaker 1: the worst that's ever been. It now is like they'll
Speaker 1: announce projects and then cancel them, like yes, like they
Speaker 1: were supposed to be like this Mary Poppins ride that
Speaker 1: they were putting in and that's since been canceled. They're
Speaker 1: probably not going to do a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: they were going to do with the announced they have
Speaker 1: like a big revamp of Epcot. That's half happening, half not.
Speaker 1: They announced the tron roller coaster coming to Magic Kingdom
Speaker 1: in seventeen, it's it's now coming in to the middle
Speaker 1: of I mean, like, of course there was the pandemic,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's odd when you put that in
Speaker 1: juxtaposition with Universal, which often don't announce projects that are
Speaker 1: fully built and then they announced them. It's two different ideologies, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like Disney's thing is, We're going to really
Speaker 1: let you know in advance what our vision is and
Speaker 1: what our plan is, and then half of it comes
Speaker 1: to fruition, or when it comes to fruition, like no
Speaker 1: one cares anymore, whereas Universal is like, we're doing something.
Speaker 1: You can clearly see what it is. To the point
Speaker 1: where I went to Universal in Orlando and the Velocito
Speaker 1: coaster was built and I was like, when is that opening?
Speaker 1: And the cast members were literally like, we don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. When it was that, it was
Speaker 1: not announced, so they did not knowledge. They talked big games.
Speaker 1: Unlike your series which you shot in which you will
Speaker 1: post on TikTok, you are actually going to do that. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: when you announced you to we do and are we
Speaker 1: ready to announce something? What we might be doing something
Speaker 1: for Christmas, for the holidays. There might be a holiday
Speaker 1: special on Lost Cultural Stuff. There will be a new list.
Speaker 1: There will be a new list. That's all we'll say
Speaker 1: for now. We're gonna say is we're having a holiday
Speaker 1: themed extravaganza. It's going to call back to the Twelve
Speaker 1: Days of Culture, but it's also going to call back
Speaker 1: to some of our other lists. It's sort of a
Speaker 1: great meeting of all the great Lost Coach eventized episodes,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna want to tune in for that one. Yes. So,
Speaker 1: with all of this new excitement in the air, should
Speaker 1: we move on to I don't think so, Honny, think
Speaker 1: it's time to move on. I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think it's time to move on. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: So this is the sixties second segment on our podcast,
Speaker 1: Last Culture Stuff, which we actually just talked about, and
Speaker 1: now this podcast is going to sort of move into
Speaker 1: its final segment. I don't think so, Honey, is a
Speaker 1: sixty second dragging of something in pop culture that's really
Speaker 1: getting our goat and I have something. Even though this
Speaker 1: episode is going to be airing three weeks from now.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it now because it's it's top
Speaker 1: of mind. And understand that I am saying this on
Speaker 1: November seventeen. This is November seventeen. Okay, yes, okay, this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers November seventeenth. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Ticket
Speaker 1: Master go on like you can't and talk about announcing
Speaker 1: something and then jerking back to change public one for
Speaker 1: the tailor Stoft's Aerostars November eighteenth, and here it is
Speaker 1: November sep tip famously as we just said, and I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, that a lot of us are
Speaker 1: getting tickets, And honestly, like the AOC is right, this
Speaker 1: is a fucking crazy, bullshit problem that Ticketmaster is this
Speaker 1: much of a monopoly that now you have to pay
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to go to this concert not for nothing,
Speaker 1: but like I want to see Tailer more than anyone else,
Speaker 1: almost just feel like everyone else. But this is really
Speaker 1: cost prohibitive. And now it's really crazy. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is all getting out of control, and it's like really
Speaker 1: in line with I don't think so, honey, of the
Speaker 1: capitalist culture that we're in, just like Disney that we're
Speaker 1: talking about you, we're making things unavailable to the public.
Speaker 1: You are, you are creating an elitist system. I hope
Speaker 1: that she's somewhere really furious about this and I something
Speaker 1: is done, because this is not fair. It's not fair
Speaker 1: to people that were, like, you know, thinking they would
Speaker 1: just get online. Fair like everyone else that I get
Speaker 1: the pre sales now on sale, but like, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. It's one minute. Um, I got the
Speaker 1: verified fan code and I could not, for the life
Speaker 1: of me get any of my hands on tickets anyway.
Speaker 1: This is no Yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. I always
Speaker 1: want things for the people. Yeah, weight in line like
Speaker 1: everyone else, honestly, like we love fast past. But when
Speaker 1: you hear how dark it is it is, you hear that,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, we only did that so people
Speaker 1: can like shot more. It's like, yeah, of course I
Speaker 1: understand that as a business. But then when you start that,
Speaker 1: when you give him mouse a cookie, he's gonna want
Speaker 1: a glass of milk. He's gonna want a glass of milk.
Speaker 1: And so basically like it's just like when you when
Speaker 1: we take a step in that direction, like of course
Speaker 1: it's going to lead to something like of course, of
Speaker 1: course this is so crazy. I mean, like I guess
Speaker 1: it's the most popular tour of all time period point blank.
Speaker 1: But to just cancel every well, this is like huge news.
Speaker 1: This is like and again we're you know, we're recording
Speaker 1: this a few weeks before the release of this episode,
Speaker 1: but like, um, it is like major, major news. I mean,
Speaker 1: like for politicians to be getting involved in no wing
Speaker 1: and on this it's like there's an investigation in Tennessee
Speaker 1: really on like Ticketmaster because like they're like, we need
Speaker 1: to look into this, and like unfortunately or fortunately it's
Speaker 1: a thing where like both sides of the aisle are
Speaker 1: like this is actually crazy, but it is ultimately, but
Speaker 1: if I feel like, obviously it's more of a left
Speaker 1: leaning issue. It's more urgent on the left because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a monopoly and we got to regulate this somehow.
Speaker 1: But but then right loves country tailor. This is a
Speaker 1: country pop problem. This is aunt this is actually an
Speaker 1: American thing. Yeah, the right likes one thing, the left
Speaker 1: likes another. But ultimately it is about like figuring out
Speaker 1: what this Live Nation merger with Ticketmasters is gonna look like,
Speaker 1: because that's the fucking thing is like they're merging, and
Speaker 1: so there is no other option, and so there is
Speaker 1: no other way for anyone to get tickets to this
Speaker 1: fucking tour or any concert or any sporting event. So
Speaker 1: what prices got really hot? Thousands of tens of thousands,
Speaker 1: Okay to go to a concert for I mean an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. It's like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half where it takes you an hour each way or
Speaker 1: more to each way because the seating, I mean forget
Speaker 1: about the getting in and out of the venue of
Speaker 1: like thought processes too for them to make money. Okay, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about that. It's just like this is
Speaker 1: no they say it's to wait out bots. It's like
Speaker 1: that we're setting up all these systems so that like
Speaker 1: bots and scalpers don't buy tickets. But it's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: then you're not even letting the actual real people buy
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And then what happens is like ultimately like
Speaker 1: someone will find their way around that, like bots will
Speaker 1: buy these tickets and masks, and then what will happen
Speaker 1: is they'll end up selling those for even more, and
Speaker 1: that changes their demographic too. Of course. It's like, who
Speaker 1: are these folks who aren't into culture? You know, it's
Speaker 1: just just because they have money. Maybe they come from
Speaker 1: myne it's old money. They don't care. They just want
Speaker 1: to like sit somewhere and like not talk to their wife.
Speaker 1: So that's not your demographic, you know, just some And
Speaker 1: also yeah, or just like the tickets being bought and
Speaker 1: then of course now they're bought, so you think there's
Speaker 1: gonna be butts and seats there, but then there's like
Speaker 1: some third party selling it for amount of money that
Speaker 1: no one wants to pay, and then there's no one.
Speaker 1: It's fucked up. It's not it's not cool. It's broken.
Speaker 1: It's not working definitely, And I mean, like obviously like
Speaker 1: this sucks, but maybe now this is a big enough
Speaker 1: deal I think so that like we can get some
Speaker 1: sort of agreement on something to do with it in Congress.
Speaker 1: Just to zoom out for a second. It's also just
Speaker 1: like a testament to like how big she is as
Speaker 1: an artist. Right now. She has five shows at Sophie
Speaker 1: Stadium in l A. And it's like this is at
Speaker 1: the stadium level, five shows, that's nuts to say nothing
Speaker 1: of the rest of the tour. Crazy crazy how many?
Speaker 1: How what's the seating capacity at Sophie I uh, I
Speaker 1: looked at at least something something like that. People. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also who's to say, like if it's not the
Speaker 1: same people again and again, who could just pay? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like that's what sucks. Anyways, it's
Speaker 1: like back to it, I think, back in the dative,
Speaker 1: but like Taylor say something about politics and now yeah
Speaker 1: she has a chance again, and now it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like this is now the new politics. This is
Speaker 1: now her standing up to miss what is her? Uh,
Speaker 1: miss miss Center from Nashville. Um, Miss, I forget who
Speaker 1: whatever she's she's awful. Um do you have an I
Speaker 1: don't think I do. It's not quite as urgent, but
Speaker 1: it's bothering me. I'm sure it's bothering everybody. It's okay
Speaker 1: that it's not urgent, because again, this is being recorded
Speaker 1: on November seven. Marcia Black Martin reader. I didn't have
Speaker 1: to look it up. It just came to me to confirm, okay,
Speaker 1: and it came is a horrible this is I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. As time starts today, I don't think
Speaker 1: so many tagging people or me, anybody in a giveaway
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Have you guys been dealing with this random
Speaker 1: people tagging your name into like some random giveaway. It's
Speaker 1: been people do it to me, but I think people
Speaker 1: would do it to anybody. But okay, so basically like
Speaker 1: a company will do like a giveaway and the big
Speaker 1: tag your friend who would love this? And it's like
Speaker 1: things that I would never be interested in. And I
Speaker 1: think this is a phenomenon that's happening. This is not
Speaker 1: just a me problem. I can guarante you guys are
Speaker 1: looking at me like I'm crazy. But it's sweepsticks culture.
Speaker 1: Sweepsticks have always been bullshit. It's always been scam culture.
Speaker 1: It's it borrows principles of MLM, or it's like sign up,
Speaker 1: give your information, pay a little bit of money so
Speaker 1: you can win like a whole you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of Scholastic books like that's that was the version when
Speaker 1: we were kids. And I feel like sweepstakes have always
Speaker 1: been a fucking scam. I've not known a single person
Speaker 1: who's ever want to sweepsticks. If you want to sweepstakes
Speaker 1: in your life, you're fake your partner simulation, you're not real, okay,
Speaker 1: and and please let me know if you have one sweepstakes.
Speaker 1: I would love to get to know you one minute. Honestly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always Sickelodeon culture, but I never knew a single
Speaker 1: person who won one fake kids, and then sometimes they
Speaker 1: would put them on TV like Hi, I'm I'm Larry,
Speaker 1: and I want the sweepstakes. No, you're not nor your
Speaker 1: zero zero one zero zero one zero zero one. That's true.
Speaker 1: It's always been earned, at least like Prices right where
Speaker 1: it's like we saw the work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: never it's very Nickelodeon culture. Yeah, where I was like,
Speaker 1: did that person get a free or is their father
Speaker 1: Daniel Orlando Mary Price is right, Yeah, so people are
Speaker 1: taking you thinking you would be interested in the things
Speaker 1: or is it's just like I think, no, it's it's
Speaker 1: this thing where and I think people it's an involuntary
Speaker 1: thing of like if I saw, oh, Starbucks is doing
Speaker 1: a giveaway of coffee, they would never do this, but
Speaker 1: like I'd be like, I'm gonna tag Otico even though
Speaker 1: I don't know if you like coffee or not, I
Speaker 1: like I'm going to assume that Otico likes Starbucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm saying this is my example because I
Speaker 1: have Starbucks. But that's out of kind, like I don't
Speaker 1: even think it's this kind of well being. It's not
Speaker 1: like that. Well, it's not out of that because it's
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't need this stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: want this study. It is to just get your attention.
Speaker 1: I mean, because if it's strangers, if it's is it
Speaker 1: your friends when you would like these shoes, it's never
Speaker 1: my friend. Sometimes this happens. Yeah, now I'm understanding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll just be like a weird like corporate thing where
Speaker 1: it's just like a ton of hatch it. Yeah, it's algorithms.
Speaker 1: There's this new thing too where people like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's happened to you, but people have been
Speaker 1: tagging me in their comedy videos or something, so it
Speaker 1: ends up in my tags. So if people want to
Speaker 1: see other things I'm tagged in, they got to swim
Speaker 1: through that approve your tags from now on. Okay, you
Speaker 1: approved tas Okay, Yeah, I didn't know where. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's this like? And then I realized the philosophy behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, so people watched the video
Speaker 1: thinking I'll pop up in it, you know, but I
Speaker 1: never do. But now they've given I don't know Jack
Speaker 1: Smith view and Jack Smith is one of the nastiest
Speaker 1: comedians and the Cassie and I like one of my damns,
Speaker 1: and he had written me, Hi, how do I start
Speaker 1: stand up that kind of tips? Yeah, well, did you
Speaker 1: tell him you tag other comedians because maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: just black out whenever I do give disadvantage advice to
Speaker 1: Ryan's doing it. Oh my god, what if you found
Speaker 1: out your husband was doing that just helping helping other comics.
Speaker 1: He's Jack, He's Jack whatever, that's his name. It was
Speaker 1: like a very very like John Doe kind of name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, speaking of Oh, it's time for
Speaker 1: you to do I don't think honey, are you ready?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I get so nervous that I talked
Speaker 1: so slow. I'm doing it like you be like the
Speaker 1: singular voice. This is not black tie, this is not
Speaker 1: the Beacon Theater, this is elsewhere, thank you. I was
Speaker 1: also thinking about the black tie thing. Now. It's really
Speaker 1: easy for you to have a dark era because you
Speaker 1: get so colorful when you have your dark era. It's
Speaker 1: really going to be really stand up. You should have
Speaker 1: a dark era and then bleach the hair. Yes, the
Speaker 1: hair has to change, right, it doesn't have to if
Speaker 1: you know, I know, that would be nice. I always
Speaker 1: think about I've seen the bleached tear on you and
Speaker 1: it looks great. Yeah, exactly. But as a stand up
Speaker 1: it's so hard. You don't want to change for me,
Speaker 1: for me too much, because then it's like that might
Speaker 1: be the joke. I have to acknowledge it maybe in
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm doing sets around town, and it'll
Speaker 1: be a thing I talk about in the next hour
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Well if you run out of material,
Speaker 1: right right, would yeah, yeah, but you'll know, you'll know
Speaker 1: when I do. So that's the next hour, and this
Speaker 1: is the next minute. This is goes. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: When time starts now, I don't think so, honey. So
Speaker 1: many reality to see a really different energy. So many
Speaker 1: reality shows about finding love, right, there's so many shows
Speaker 1: about finding love. Love is blind too hot to handle
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, you know, but there's no shows about finding friends.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, And isn't that hard enough, you know? Especially,
Speaker 1: it's like there's still this, you know, the global pandemic.
Speaker 1: We all came out of it. We all acted like
Speaker 1: you know, you ever look around the world, go what
Speaker 1: the fund is going? What happened is very much happened,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of unwell people got released back into
Speaker 1: the wild. And it's like, fine, love find love. I'm
Speaker 1: still figuring out how to socialize, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you make friends as an adult? That's hard. It was
Speaker 1: easier as his kids, you know, And so yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I would like to see a show where
Speaker 1: you just you know, to two adults finding a friendship
Speaker 1: in each other, where groups of people being like I
Speaker 1: found a friend out of this, and this is very
Speaker 1: very interesting. It is kind of funny, like it has
Speaker 1: there ever been a reality show that's like finding your friend? Well,
Speaker 1: there was a reality show. I think it was Paris
Speaker 1: Hilton's new best friend. Yeaheah, yeah, she doesn't need the friends,
Speaker 1: she doesn't need the friends, and I think you're talking
Speaker 1: about something else, skilled But it's like a reality show
Speaker 1: about who can make the most friends, just maybe, or
Speaker 1: who's the best socializer like that. It's like, well, actually
Speaker 1: it was I was more talking about people who might
Speaker 1: be having a hard time making friends. Yes, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's not like a craven thing. It's not like,
Speaker 1: although I do think that's a different show which is
Speaker 1: really fun. This is like it's people who moved to
Speaker 1: a new city who do not have any friends that
Speaker 1: and they want to find friends. I also think there
Speaker 1: is something fun about this idea of it's a reality
Speaker 1: show which is like hidden camera and there's like three
Speaker 1: contestants and they have to make as many quote unquote
Speaker 1: friends at the end of the season, and then at
Speaker 1: the end of the season they have to sit down
Speaker 1: with their friends and say I started this not really
Speaker 1: wanted to do and like that's kind of interesting. It's
Speaker 1: like if you were given ten people at random, and you,
Speaker 1: as the contestant, had to make friends with as many
Speaker 1: of them as possible, even if you didn't like them,
Speaker 1: had nothing in common, and then you have to tell
Speaker 1: them at the end the only reason you tried their
Speaker 1: friendship was so that you could win like a million dollars.
Speaker 1: That's kind of fun. That's you gamified it. Now that's
Speaker 1: a game show, because you know that's what they're looking for. Now.
Speaker 1: They want like you can't just do like you know,
Speaker 1: half hour like a game show type reality shows they
Speaker 1: want like lifestyle the mole uhle like social type. I
Speaker 1: guess the Circle is sort of like that. It's about
Speaker 1: tricking people, but yeah, there's something about just like in
Speaker 1: a post pandemic world, how do you like get people
Speaker 1: to socialize again in a meaningful way? Yeah? Yeah, where
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be about like romantic you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that'll come or like, okay, if you get married
Speaker 1: off a show like Love is Blind, Yeah, how are
Speaker 1: you going to get married if you don't have friends?
Speaker 1: Who's gonna plan you know what? He's gonna introduce you
Speaker 1: to people? We assume that that's a thing that everyone has.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe I'm opening up, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a new thing that I'm kind of realizing and
Speaker 1: talking about because I'm like, you know, yeah, how do
Speaker 1: you find friends as an adult? Just through work? It's
Speaker 1: well for me, I always like I make friends through
Speaker 1: my friends, you know what I mean? Like and honestly,
Speaker 1: like that's been from having friends for a long time.
Speaker 1: But I've only had I think I have like probably
Speaker 1: between four and five friends that I've had for like
Speaker 1: a really long time, even my friend for really long time, Sudi.
Speaker 1: And then like when I moved to Los Angeles, like
Speaker 1: I made all my new friends that I know through Joel,
Speaker 1: who was one of my old friends, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And then you've met some of them through me.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting if you did not have you didn't
Speaker 1: have a circle or like, yeah, exactly, that's a tough thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything turns into high school again, especially if it's a
Speaker 1: new space ye're entering, you know, and people might be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's okay, I already have five you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's nothing that bothers me more than
Speaker 1: the idea that people are lonely. I know, like that
Speaker 1: really hurts. I get very like emotional about that, the
Speaker 1: idea that like, you know, I take for granted the
Speaker 1: fact that like, in fact, I think that's the most
Speaker 1: important thing in my life is friendship, and so like
Speaker 1: I get really sad when I think about people that
Speaker 1: don't have at least a person or a couple of
Speaker 1: people that they can like talk to. And so I'm
Speaker 1: like love, love is actually you can do that. But
Speaker 1: like a you know, someone who call and be like,
Speaker 1: oh that date didn't work. Out you know what, why
Speaker 1: you got to settle down for love immediately? Romance? There's
Speaker 1: just so many shows about that. I'm like, they've got
Speaker 1: it covered totally. You can technically get through life without
Speaker 1: falling in love, you can't really get through life without
Speaker 1: a meaningful friendship. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And there's also
Speaker 1: the idea that like there are specific apps for having sex,
Speaker 1: dating all these things, but like in terms of like
Speaker 1: friend apps, like I'm sure they exist, but there's something
Speaker 1: almost like there's like a self consciousness that I would
Speaker 1: feel being on an app to make friends that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't totally because at least you know what the endgame
Speaker 1: of like a romantic thing is, right, Like you either
Speaker 1: want to have sex with someone, date someone, marry someone,
Speaker 1: build a life with someone. Like it's limited things with friendship,
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I want to friend, to get coffee with,
Speaker 1: get lunch with, go on vacation with. It's really open
Speaker 1: endedn't like you don't really know you know so, But
Speaker 1: I guess another thing is like that's why people joined
Speaker 1: the community activities. Sure, right, no, totally, but that's why
Speaker 1: people play pockleball. Sorry sorry, pickleball. I know which is
Speaker 1: like such a thing. I feel like it's back and
Speaker 1: the guy everyone's doing it and uncle picked it up.
Speaker 1: There's a show called Pickled coming out really Well. Ferrell,
Speaker 1: our daddy Will Ferrell is on it. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: my daddy Tig is on it. Your daddy Kelly Rowland
Speaker 1: is on it. Really yeah. Celebrity pickleball. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: think Kelly's gonna be good? But she's gonna be amazing? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert hosts hosting I'm gonna watch watch celebrities playing
Speaker 1: a silly quote unquote sport. It's not silly, it's just
Speaker 1: like it's a very loaded sport. Like it's like people
Speaker 1: have such you say the word pickleba on people like
Speaker 1: are ready to go off? It's like the new Dodgeball
Speaker 1: or yeah. I just stoat of Beyonce and Kelly like
Speaker 1: checking in with each other on a phone call and
Speaker 1: Kelly being like, girl, when is the tour happening? One
Speaker 1: of the one of the visuals coming, and Beyonce being
Speaker 1: like they're coming, and and what's up with you? What
Speaker 1: She's like, Well, Pickled is about to start. Good luck,
Speaker 1: Kelly is going to be so good? Yeah? Thanks, And
Speaker 1: you know they're they're gonna part of me with Will Farrell. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love Will Farrell. Who's in He's in some of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies. Alright, girl, I'll talk to you later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm here with my favorite, my idol, Stephen Coolbert like there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how Stephen. He's really good at different such a different world.
Speaker 1: I saw her in a movie recently, right where she
Speaker 1: plays a mom, Kelly Rode. She's always been the actors
Speaker 1: wonderful actress. She's always been the actress out of the
Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah. Shi Williams was in that Lifetime movie.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't watch that. Yeah, I was Tina Knowles. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I'll be watching tonight. I'm gonna start TikTok.
Speaker 1: You watch the Lifetime movies. Matt, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do tonight? I'm gonna watch another episode of The White Load. Yes,
Speaker 1: wrong answer. You have to upload something on uploading ghos. Yes, perfect.
Speaker 1: We all have our agendas. Yeah, we really do. What
Speaker 1: an incredible episode this was, and so were The Intruder
Speaker 1: December on HBO and you can watch it on HBO
Speaker 1: via HBO Max henceforth afterwards. That's right, that's right because
Speaker 1: earlier on Yeah, before we started this whole thing, the
Speaker 1: first fighting words towards But when was that he gives
Speaker 1: off android vibes? And then you said I was on
Speaker 1: HBO Max. No, let the record show it's HBOS the intruder.
Speaker 1: You know, we're saying, who says originals? I was like,
Speaker 1: HBO Max Max Max originals, Yeah, they do. I love that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm like really activating when I log on.
Speaker 1: It's like all my atoms are coming together into one body.
Speaker 1: It's not my favorite streamer that has of course that
Speaker 1: with me Peacock, But um, I think now we're just out.
Speaker 1: He's an HBO Max employee and you're both HBO employees.
Speaker 1: I'm employees of them all. I'm an employee of Showtime
Speaker 1: and I am an employee of HBO. I'm an employee
Speaker 1: of Netflix when they want me to. And of course
Speaker 1: I went down with a quickly ship and so did you?
Speaker 1: Did you? But to I never saw the light of day,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And it never came out. I just
Speaker 1: shot the pilot. Shot the pilot Let's Go outsco is
Speaker 1: supposed to be a quickly original shot the pilot well,
Speaker 1: and yet still you stand both of you, my legends,
Speaker 1: thank you, and now we have to sing a song
Speaker 1: to close the episode about overcoming. When I think of it,
Speaker 1: football bass, there were times, there are times when a
Speaker 1: few baby baby, and if you want to hear the
Speaker 1: rest of that, and listen to Janet Jackson's discography Velvet
Speaker 1: Rope actually that I was on and control, which is
Speaker 1: what I think of you. There's two options, and listen
Speaker 1: to the Lady Professor to soundtrack. Bye.