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Speaker 1: So that's that's exactly what happens. The numbers of people

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Speaker 1: back to match Um though. Those two, there's like a

427
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: bromance with those two that ed You will make it

428
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: worth his while. He's got all this money in Abu

429
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: Dhabi in three he can give some of it to

430
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: Devon Haney to fight over there. He's gonna get Devin

431
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: Handy back at some point. Ryan Garcia is gonna remain

432
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: in the Golden Bull universe for at least the next

433
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: couple of years. He'll be at one forty. Like you

434
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: can do something with Regius Prograde at one forty if

435
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: you're ready. Hearn. I think it makes business sense for

436
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn to get in the great business. Yeah, I mean,

437
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: that's that's not out of the realm of possibility. And

438
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: you know when anytime you have one of the best

439
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: fighters in the weight class and you have a world

440
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: title associated with that fighter. If you're a promoter, you

441
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: should want to be in that business. Um. You know,

442
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: the problem with pro Bellum at the moment is that

443
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: they just don't have the outlet for broadcasts, which makes

444
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: it very difficult to pay your fighters top dollar or

445
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: to put on these big events because Progray is now

446
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 1: at a level in terms of his pay where they

447
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: can't just go do a small show in the UK

448
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: for example. Um, that's on. You know. When when the

449
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: fight that he did with Zepeda was surprisingly won by

450
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: Marnation backed by Legends Entertainment to do the pay per view,

451
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: they were able to just put it on a pay

452
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 1: per view platform, but obviously that would have been a

453
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: fight much better served in front of a larger audience,

454
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: either on showtime or on ESPN or on the Zone

455
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: or something where the normal subscriber could just watch that fight.

456
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: Because it don't get me wrong, it's a really good fight.

457
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: But I think most here's the camp. Here's what the

458
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: general h colm it to me was when that fight

459
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: was made on my various social media platforms, which was

460
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: what was the paida versus program. That's a hell of

461
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: a fight, I can't wait to see that sixty bucks

462
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: on pay per view, No thanks. So they liked the fight,

463
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: but the fact it was on pay per view and

464
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: at a fight cost that was that most people felt

465
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: was too high was was a dooming element of that fight,

466
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: which is why the pay per view you know, ultimately

467
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: did very, very poorly, despite the fact that they did

468
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: a good job with the undercard and a good job

469
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: with the production and you know, they did a first

470
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: class promotion, but it was too much, too expensive, It

471
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: was not on the greatest date. Uh, A pay per

472
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: view on the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekends not necessarily the

473
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: ideal time to you know, get people to bony up

474
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: for a pay per view. But yeah, Regis program is

475
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: getting and it's not a knock on problem, but he

476
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: needs to be with a promoter that has a broadcast outlet,

477
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: because Regis as an excellent fighter who should be in

478
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: the main event on big shows and maybe he can

479
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: work himself up to being a legitimate paper you guy,

480
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: but he's not that guy yet. And just so we're clear, uh,

481
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: Ramirez comey is a bad fight. It is a bad, bad, bad,

482
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: bad fight. It is not a fight worthy of headlining

483
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: a main event on a significant card. Richard Comey is

484
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: one two and one in his last four fights. He

485
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: was blasted out by Tafia Lopez, he was beaten pillar

486
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: to post by Vassili Lomachenko. And I'm sorry, I'm not

487
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: going to get excited about the fact that he had

488
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: to draw against Jose Padraza. That doesn't tell me that

489
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: he still has something left. This is a bad fight.

490
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how much clear we need to be.

491
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: It should not be a ESPN televised main event. I mean,

492
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: if you want to make the fight fight, but again,

493
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it has I don't think of it

494
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: as a main event, particularly when it's taking the place

495
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: of the potential of the program. Fight. So, like you,

496
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: like you said, I'm just nothing. Richard Comey is a

497
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: good dude. He's had a good career and and all that.

498
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, but he's gotta do, Dan, He's gotta

499
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: he's gotta do. He's gotta do what he did after

500
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: those back to back losses to Robert Easter and to Shafakop,

501
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: he went out. He won what four or five fights

502
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: in a row before the Lopez fight. He want to

503
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: belt like he rebuilt himself and made himself viable for

504
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: that Tafimo Lopez fight. Right now, he's not viable. He's

505
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: not he looks like and he's fighting to get a

506
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: weight class above what he was at his best at.

507
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: So I don't I I can't go into that fight

508
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: think it's going to be remotely competitive. That's my biggest

509
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: problem with I don't think Cally would be competitive against Ramirez.

510
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: There's just no real reason to do the fight. I mean,

511
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: I I cannot get excited about that one at all.

512
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: And it's, you know, like I like each fighter, I

513
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: like Ramirez, I like Comey, but the match just feels

514
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: like we already know the result. I mean, unless he

515
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: lands the Hail Mary punch on Ramirez, who's always showing

516
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: himself to have a good chin. Anyway, you already know

517
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. I can tell you right now that

518
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: fights like, you know, eight rounds to two, you know,

519
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: go into the scorecards, you know, write it down. Yeah,

520
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one. All right, Let's move

521
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: on to uh some of the chatter going on between

522
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis. Tak Davis had a media

523
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: workout in Miami. This week, of course, the subject of

524
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia comes up. Ryan, of course, has elected not

525
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: to go ahead with a Stay Busy fight against Marcedo guests,

526
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: instead to just keep training to go on to the

527
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: fight against Tank, presumably for mid April. That we'll see

528
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: what happens with Tank over the next couple of months. UM,

529
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: let's start with Ryan's decision not to take the Stay

530
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: Busy fight. We've heard some criticisms from people like Golden

531
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Boy from Oscar de la Hoya himself. What did you

532
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: make of Ryan deciding not to fight Guesta. I thought

533
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: it was a very mature decision and the right decision.

534
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: I told Ryan that myself. You know, Ryan and I

535
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: occasionally will text with one another. I told him that

536
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good decision and that it

537
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: was a mature decision. In my mind. When you do

538
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: tune up fights, bad things happen, and you we have

539
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: a hard enough time in this sport making them big megafight.

540
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia fought two times in two thousand twenty two.

541
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: He's not going to be coming off some wacky layoff.

542
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: You know. He's in the gym training with his trainer,

543
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: Joe Goosen. There's absolutely no reason why he has to

544
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: have a fight that does nothing for him other than

545
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: get him some money, I guess. And let's just be

546
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: frank about this reason that Golden Boys is upset that

547
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: there's no fight. Oscar de Laoia has made remarks about it.

548
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Eric Omez, the president of Golden Boy, made comments to

549
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: me that I used in the story that I wrote

550
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: about that. Now, maybe from the competitive point of view, Oscar,

551
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: as a former world champion boxer Hall of Famer, thinks

552
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: it was a good idea to have a two enough

553
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: fight the way he did when he like before he

554
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: fought Chavez for example, and they fought together on the

555
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: same car. But I think more specifically, they need the

556
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: money that they're going to generate from a Ryan Garcia event.

557
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 1: Golden Boy doesn't have a lots going on right now.

558
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: They didn't have a big year in two thousand twenty two,

559
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: and Ryan Garcia is by far and away their biggest

560
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: money maker and biggest name. So of course they're disappointed

561
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: that he's not gonna fight. But I feel like Ryan Garcia,

562
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: as long as he's gonna train and be in shape,

563
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: not taking the inner fight was the wise thing to

564
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: do because anything can happen, Um and you know and

565
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: and conversely, I'm not not in Tank Davis for tanking,

566
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: for taking his interim fight against Jose Against. I actually

567
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: think that's a much tougher fight than I anticipated when

568
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: he announced he was gonna fight prior to this showdown

569
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: with Ryan Garcia. So I see both sides of the coin.

570
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that Golden Boy should be

571
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: criticizing Ryan Garcia. It's his career, it's his life. He's

572
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: not like he's backing out of the fight against Servant

573
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: to Davis, that's the fight he wants Ryan, And you

574
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: know Ryan also, you've done any of his fights with

575
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: the Zone. Ryan is the type of athlete that has

576
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: a type of personality or unless he's motivated for something,

577
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: it's hard for him to get up for the fight.

578
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: Not all boxers are like that. Some guys can get

579
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: up for the lesser fights. For Ryan, he needs to

580
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: be pushed, He needs to be motivated. Tank Davis, a

581
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: guy he's been calling out for like two years, that

582
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: motivates him. Fighting Mercito has to in a fight where

583
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: we already know what the outcome is is not motivate him.

584
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: So let him, go get his uh, you know, his

585
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: skills sharp sharpened up in the gym, and you know,

586
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: do the road. We're getting shape and and focus on

587
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Davis and fight that big mega fight in April. He

588
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: doesn't need to fight in January just for whatever reason,

589
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: just so his promoters can make some money. Yeah, if

590
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: this fight was going to be at the hundred and

591
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: thirty six pound limit that the Tank Davis fight UH

592
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: is scheduled to be at, I would understand it to

593
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: a certain degree. Um, it could almost operate kind of

594
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: as a staging ground for you know, Ryan to get ready,

595
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: make that weight in a healthy manner um and then

596
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: do it that way. But this was going to be

597
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: at a full fledged one forty and so there's no

598
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: upside there um. And as far as the finances go,

599
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: Ryan's not gonna miss that money. Ryan's not right. It

600
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: makes a lot of money outside the ring. He's not

601
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna miss whatever he was gonna make the for the

602
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: Mercito guests to fight. He's doing just fine financially with

603
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: everything's got going on outside. Social media following alone generates

604
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money for him. So it's not an

605
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: issue of money for him. And look if he and

606
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: Joe Goosen believe it's better for him to stay in

607
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the gym for an extra couple of months to just

608
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: hone in on Javonte Davis, then I'll take their word

609
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: for I agree with you. I think Davis deserves all

610
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: the credit in the world, not just for taking a

611
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: fight before a mega fight against Ryan Garcia, but for

612
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: taking on someone as challenging as Hector Luis Garcia. I mean,

613
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: it's a guy coming off two big wins in two

614
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: he beat Chris Colber, he beat Roger Goodierrez. I think

615
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Bob Santos, his trainer, has a case be made to

616
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: be Trainer of the Year this year. This is a

617
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: real fight for Javonte Davis on January seven, one that

618
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: could derail a multi multimillion dollar fight against Ryan Garcia.

619
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: But he's going through it and do it that and

620
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: deserves credit for it. But at the same time, I'm

621
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: with you, Ryan doesn't deserve any criticism for saying he

622
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: doesn't want to fight. My issue with Tank is this nonsense.

623
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: He keeps spewing about Ryan testing or Ryan being on

624
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: p ds, like you can't just you can't just throw

625
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: that ship into the universe. You can't like more importantly, like,

626
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: not only has Ryan said I'll do advanced testing for

627
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: our fight, Golden Boys said the same thing. There still

628
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: is no contract yet for Garcia ver his tank in April.

629
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: That's still on the PBC side of the ledger. But

630
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: when that comes through, both Golden Boy and Garcia have

631
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: told me that they want advanced testing for that fight.

632
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know want Like it's like tax sees

633
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: one picture of Ryan on social media and he's like, well,

634
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: this guy's definitely doing something. I don't even know where

635
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: that came from, because you know, you and I both

636
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: know there are certain guys where the rumors are always

637
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: been that you know, maybe they're using and maybe it

638
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: looks like they're using. Ryan Garcia was never one of

639
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: those guys. Were like even I mean, you never know

640
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: for sure what goes on behind the Jim doors or

641
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: whatever with any of these guys. Uh, but he was

642
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: He was not somebody that would come to my mind

643
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: that was using p d S. I just don't I

644
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: just don't buy that really, And but to bring that

645
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: up with zero credibility or or shred of evidence is

646
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: low class and not called for. You want to you know,

647
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: insult his mother or you know, tell him me he's

648
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: this or he's that. You know, that's all grist for

649
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: the mill when you're promoting a fight, and maybe and

650
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I love the guy you're gonna be fighting in against,

651
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: but to throw those type of allegations out there, to

652
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: me is just not called for it all. And you

653
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: know I would just ignore it, to be honest with you. Yeah,

654
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, look, maybe he's trying to play a

655
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: middle mind game with Ryan Garcia. I don't know. Or

656
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it is just as simple as he looked

657
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: at a picture of him and said, wow, he looks

658
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than I'm used to. Ryan of course

659
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: is still what twenty four years old at this point,

660
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: so yeah, his body is going to keep growing. He's

661
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: like he's five nine ten, so like he's a big guy.

662
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: So he's eventually gonna put on more weight. And look,

663
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Tank's gonna have the advantage at one thirty six, Ryan's

664
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: have to squeeze down. And I think that's gonna be

665
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: a big variable for when they fight. How healthy will

666
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia b when he gets down to one thirty

667
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: six If he's drained and just barely making it that's

668
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a factor in their fight. It's gonna be

669
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: a real weapon or advantage for Tank. Davis. He made

670
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty five for the recent fights he had

671
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: this year, and I don't think he looked well. He didn't.

672
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: He did to Go to Go TOEG was one thirty eight,

673
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: I think because that was his first fight in fifteen months,

674
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: and he could have made He says he could have

675
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: made one five for Fortuna, but Fortuna said, no, we

676
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: gotta do it at one forty. It's not the full

677
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: one five, it's one thirty six. He's done it before.

678
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: He's got plenty of time to do it safely. He's

679
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: got plenty of money to have a nutritionists to make

680
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: sure that he's able to do it with no problem.

681
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: And I, like I said, I will just go back

682
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: to what I said at the beginning. I feel like

683
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: he made a matured decision to focus on the Tank

684
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: fight and not take the interim fight. Now he's just

685
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: got a hope that come January seven, that Davis is

686
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: successful against Scarcia. As we've talked about, not the easiest

687
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: fight in the world, and by the way, he may

688
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: have kind of come out of nowhere Garcia. But he

689
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: is undefeated. He was an Olympian and he's got, like

690
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: you said, two great upsets in a row, uh that

691
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: people didn't really give him a chance to win, and

692
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: he's he's earned the shot about Davis, I mean against Davis.

693
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: And what I like about Hector Louis Scarcia is that

694
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: after he beat Gutierrez in you know, this past summer,

695
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: he automatically right after, like within days of that fight,

696
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: was calling out Tank Davis. I'll go up to one

697
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: thirty five and fight him. If he wants to come

698
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: down to one thirty and challenge me for my title,

699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: no problem. He he's wanted this fight as soon as

700
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: he got uh that belt. He may even wanted it

701
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: before he got the belt. So he's motivated and hungry

702
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: for this fight. He also knows the kind of chaos

703
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: that he can deal out to these guys if he

704
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: had the rails. Gervanne to Tank Davis. Yeah, it's not

705
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: the same thing, but there could be a little bevil

706
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Canelo vibe to it in a way, like are we

707
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: are we discounting Hector Luis Garcia coming into this fight?

708
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Garcia physically is the bigger guy, not that

709
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: that's ever been a problem for Tank before, but he's

710
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: not coming in this undersized guy who's just gonna get

711
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: swarmed and overwhelmed. I think it's a good fight. I'm

712
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: looking forward to it on January seven. All right, last weekend,

713
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: we had a terrific fight on Showtime Frank Martin. He

714
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: beats Michelle Rivera. This was viewed Dan coming in as

715
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty type of fight or maybe sixty and

716
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: favor of Martin. It was like in favor of Martin.

717
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: When it was over, he drops Rivera in the seventh round.

718
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: He wins a lopsided to say Asian Uh. I thought

719
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: it was incredibly impressive performance by Frank mard but maybe

720
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: believe he's ready for a lot of a lot of

721
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: things next year. Five pounds. What did you think? I

722
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: agree with everything you said. I've liked Frank Martin for

723
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, since I've seen him on

724
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: some under cards, going back probably two years ago. UM,

725
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: I've been impressed by him. He has a good amateur background.

726
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: He has obviously a good team behind him, you know,

727
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: training with Derrick James and being at the at the

728
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: side of Errol Spence and Charlote in the training camp,

729
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: so he's got that going for him. He's also not

730
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: twenty two years old. He's already like twenty seven, so

731
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: he's as a person more mature. And it just looked

732
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: like when you watch him, like this guy's going places

733
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: in a pretty good way that they didn't have to

734
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: give him fights to get him preparedy he you know,

735
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: he's still in in the teens in terms of his

736
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: total number of bouts, but they're willing to move quickly.

737
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: He wants to move quickly, and he showed against Rivera

738
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: that there was a reason for that. And by the way, Rivera,

739
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: who's younger than he was, uh, you know, didn't shy

740
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: away from taking this kind of fight either. So I

741
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: give with guys credit. Listen, Frank Martin. When it was

742
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: all said on he did exactly what he said he

743
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: was gonna do. He went in there and he took

744
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: a good fight and he completely shut him around and

745
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: he won, you know, at worst nine rounds probably, but

746
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: in reality probably won ten or eleven rounds. I mean,

747
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: it was just a really good performance. Like you said,

748
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: he had the knockdown. He is now from what we

749
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: thought as a say prospect slash, rising up and comer,

750
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: because you know, fringe contender or whatever. He made himself

751
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: with that victory, combined with some of the other solid

752
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 1: victories he's had before that, he's now a legitimate top

753
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: ten type contender in the lightweight division, which has a

754
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: lot of talent in it um and and he's gonna

755
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: be in position for some good things next year. He's got,

756
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, the victory against Rivera, which was a a

757
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: title eliminator for the w b A belt. You know,

758
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: he could be called as a mandatory for Tank Davis

759
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: at some point, or the winner of Tank Davis against

760
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: garcia Um. You know, also PBC fighters. So he's gonna

761
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: have some business definitely, and it's uh, he's gonna be

762
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: involved in some important fights. And I'm a fan. He

763
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: does everything. I don't really see if you tell me

764
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Chris, Do you see any glaring weakness

765
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: in his game. He's got good offense, he's got good defenseense,

766
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: he's got good smarts in his mind. You know, he

767
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: knows the ring. He's got good amateur background, he's got

768
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: good footwork, he's got quick hands, he's got quick feet, uh,

769
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, good enough power. I just don't really see,

770
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: Like you tell me what's the discernible weakness, and I

771
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: don't see it. No, I don't. I don't. I don't

772
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: think there was a discernible weak at least not one

773
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I could find in that fight against RIVERA shout out

774
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: to Darrol Spence for, you know, actually having a real

775
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: fighter at his stable. I mean, oftentimes, you know, this

776
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: day and you've got these fighters with their promotional companies

777
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: that don't really have either any fighters or credible fighters.

778
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: And Frank Martin is a credible fighter, you know, fighting

779
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: um in Errol Spence's promotional stable. Um. I just think

780
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: he's really good. I think he's really good. I like

781
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: what's being talked about for what's next. I think Chris

782
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: Colbert is a good next step for him, someone that's

783
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: been a title holder, albeit at a divisi and below,

784
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: but you know, someone a little bit more experienced, someone

785
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: with a name. That's the kind of fight that Frank

786
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: Martin needs. While a hundred and thirty five pound division

787
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of sorts it out. I mean you mentioned Tank

788
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: in his secondary belt. But eventually we both know whenever

789
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Hany Lomachenko happens. If Hany wins, those belts are all

790
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: gonna get fractured all over again. Even if Lomachenko wins,

791
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: they might get fractured all over again, and they'll be

792
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: opportunities for Frank Martin to fight for titles. I think

793
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: he's ready for him. I think by by this time

794
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: next year, I think he's gonna be ready for a

795
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: world championship shot. I think he's the real deal. Everything

796
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I agree with Speed Power Ring I q Um.

797
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: He dominated that fight start to finish, and you know,

798
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Rivera is not a pushover like I I'm with you.

799
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: I give Rivera a ton of credit for taking that fight.

800
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to criticize him or dismiss him for

801
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: losing that fight. I hope he gets another date on

802
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: Showtime at some point in the next two about three

803
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: or four months. But Frank Martin's the goods. He's the

804
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: real deal. There's no doubt about it. I think he's

805
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: ready right now to fight anybody in the lightweight division.

806
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: I would agree with that um alright. Last thing, Anthony Joshua,

807
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still in the US. He

808
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: was in the US. He's been making the rounds on

809
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: the trainer circuit again. Uh, most recently spotted with Derek James.

810
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: Of course the trainer Errol Spencer, mel Charlot, among others,

811
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: one of the best trainers in all of boxing. Um.

812
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know which way Anthony Joshua is leaning at

813
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: this point. Is he going to try somebody completely new?

814
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Is he gonna keep certain members of his team? You

815
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: never know with this guy what's gonna happen with Joshua.

816
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: But what do you think of a Anthony Joshua Derrick

817
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: James pairing. Derrick James has proven himself to be one

818
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: of the best trainers in the sport. He's the only

819
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: trainer in boxing right now that has two unified champions,

820
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: one of whom is undisputed in Charlo. We obviously also

821
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: has expence with the three titles. Uh. You know, the

822
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: fighters do the do the work in the ring, but

823
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: you know the trainers, the guy that helps put that

824
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: game plan in make sure the guy is ready to

825
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: go mentally, physically, knows the XS and knows that what

826
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. So Derek would be a great choice.

827
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: To me. It's always about what's the interaction like between

828
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: the fighter and the trainer. Uh. And I've always said

829
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: that to a degree, trainers are a little bit overrated.

830
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: It's all about does the boxer believe in the trainer.

831
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: So if Anthony Joshua is uh not satisfied with what

832
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: occurred with his relationship with Robert Garcia and he's looking

833
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: to move on, that's his decision. But from my point

834
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: of view on the outside watching what occurred, I know

835
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: he lost the fight to US, but I thought that

836
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua fought as well against us in that loss

837
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: that he had in the previous fight in the lost USIC,

838
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: as well as some of his other victories. I felt

839
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: like there was a real chance to have a building

840
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: thing with Robert Garcia there and then he probably should

841
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: have kept him, and it would have reminded me of

842
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: was uh the great trainer Uh, my long departed friend,

843
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: the great Emmanuel Steward. He hooked up with Vladimir Klitschko

844
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: when he was at the low moment of his career

845
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: and in their first fight together, he lost against Layman

846
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: Bruser by knockout in a vacant w b OH heavyweight

847
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: title fight, and a lot of people thought, well, you know,

848
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: he lost that fight. His career is down down the

849
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: drain again. He's gonna find a new trainer yet again

850
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: and get rid of Emmanuel because he didn't win that

851
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: first fight with him. He didn't get rid of Emanuel.

852
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: They stayed together, He came back, He ultimately defeated Samuel

853
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Peter in an excellent performance. He went on to win

854
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: a world title against Chris Bird and then ended up

855
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: making you know, eighteen title defense and now Emmanuel obviously

856
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: passed away at the tail end of his title reign.

857
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: But they were together for a long time, and together

858
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: they helped build him into one of the great heavyweight

859
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: champions in the history of boxing. And if he had

860
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: got rid of him after that one loss, you know,

861
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: who knows what would have happened to him. And I'm

862
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: not saying that Anthony Josh was going to reach the

863
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: level that Klitchko did, even though he beat Clittz go

864
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: back several years ago. But losing with Robert Garcia in

865
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: your quarter in the first fight and fighting as well

866
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: as he did, made me think, well, you know, there's

867
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: something they can build on. Robert Garcia has a long

868
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: track record, longer than most trainers in this sport of

869
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: being a top, top trainer. He's been a world champion

870
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: himself as a as a professional, and so I actually

871
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: was disappointed that he's gonna part ways with Robert Garcia.

872
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: I felt like they probably should have stayed together. Now,

873
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: if there was some kind of issue that I'm not

874
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: aware of that was going on in the camp where

875
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: in that fight, than so be it. But from the outside,

876
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: that seemed like an unusual match to start with. But

877
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: when you watch what actually the result was in the ring, like,

878
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: you know what that might work? Obviously, Anthony Joshua was

879
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: not satisfied. He's looking around, but you know, he he

880
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: did that the last time he worked with Robert Garcia.

881
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: He went and worked with you know, I guess Virgil Hunter,

882
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: and with Ronnie Shields and you know other maybe Buddy

883
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: mcgart might have been another one. Maybe he worked with

884
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Derek before getting ready to make the decision the last time.

885
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're all good trainers. But at

886
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: some point, at some point, Anthony Joshua has to look

887
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: at himself. He's the guy that lost the fights, not

888
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: the trainer, and he's got to come to grips with that.

889
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure he's done that quite yet. I

890
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: agree with you. One thing I would add, like is

891
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua finally prepared to move to the US to

892
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: train for a fight, because I don't think Derk James

893
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: is going to the UK with Jamal Charlo training for

894
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: January fight with Errol Spence presumably training for March April

895
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: or May fight, like these are his guys. He's not

896
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: waving goodbye to them, so we can go train Anthony

897
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: Joshua and these guys are going to pick up and

898
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: pack and go to You know, Anthony josh was jimmed

899
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: and trained for a couple of months. That ain't gonna happen.

900
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: And by the way, same thing Robert Garcia, who's going

901
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: into a big year with Bam Rodriguez, got josh Franco

902
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: fighting on New Year's Eve like he's got some other fighters.

903
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Of course, Ramirez, um he's got guys. So like Anthony Joshua,

904
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: I think the biggest question is Anthony Joshua willing to

905
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: leave his comfort zone because I've always said that's a

906
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: big thing here, like not just changing trainers, finding a

907
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: voice that works, but getting out of the UK. He's

908
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: so well known in the UK. He's a superstar over there.

909
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: He comes over here, nobody knows who he is. I mean,

910
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: let's just be honest, Like, they don't like he you know,

911
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: he works out in you know, where is the Dallas area.

912
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: They probably wonder, is that like the linebacker for the Cowboys,

913
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: the big six five muscle guy, Like is he like

914
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: they don't know like that, He's not just known. Come on,

915
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: he can walk down the street with a measure. And

916
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: I think that's good for Anthon Joshua. Yeah, I was

917
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: just insaye. I think that would be good for him

918
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: to go to a place where, you know, when he

919
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: gets up and he goes for a coffee, he's not

920
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: gonna be hassled or stop by anybody. He can go

921
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: into his own uh, you know, privacy, do his thing,

922
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: uh you know. And I understand that there's part of

923
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: him that probably enjoys, you know, with the ego of

924
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: being recognized where you go and having people stop you

925
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: and and shaking your hands. Correct. So I think that

926
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for that if he's if

927
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: he's so insistent in having an American trainer. In other words,

928
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: you don't hear him making the rounds and looking at

929
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: other you know, it's not like he went I mean,

930
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't know this, but he's not heard that he's, Oh,

931
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go work out with uh, you know, Shane mcwiggin,

932
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go work out with this trainer, or

933
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out, you know and work with Joe Gallagher.

934
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's not making the rounds for the UK

935
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: top trainers. It's always been about coming to the United

936
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: States to to feel out who the top trainers are

937
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: in the United States. So it would make sense that

938
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: if he's gonna do that, to might as well train here.

939
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: If you're gonna make that commit then because as you said,

940
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't see Derrick James packing up from his gym

941
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: and then the great fighters he has and look, Robert

942
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: Garcia made the the you know, he he made that

943
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: concession and went and trained Anthony for the most part,

944
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: preparing for who's in the UK for that fight. But

945
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he would do that necessary permanently because

946
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: like you said, he's got lots of other fighters. He

947
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: was able to be in a situation where he's got

948
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: his assistant and his son that can also work with

949
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: the fighters that they have. But I'm gonna go back

950
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: to what I said originally, this is not about the trainer,

951
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: any of those trainers that he that he could select,

952
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: whether he stays with Robert, he goes with Derrick James,

953
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: or maybe he decided to ask Buddy McGirt or Virgil Hunter,

954
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: all the guys that we've talked about, Ronnie Shields, I mean,

955
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: all great trainers. He's got to look at himself. He's

956
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the one that lost these fights. It's not the trainer

957
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: that can fight for me. And I think that Joshua,

958
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: who I love. I've always liked an think Joshua both

959
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: as a fighter and as a person. He's going through

960
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: some stuff mentally where he's just not sure can I

961
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: still be an elite heavyweight? And uh, he's you know,

962
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: he he if you really want to get down to it.

963
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: He hasn't really quite been the same since the fight

964
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: against Clicho, which he won, but he had some extremely

965
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: rocky moments got dropped in and I was able to

966
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: come back. But that was a in my opinion, sort

967
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: of a career altering fight in some regard, And uh,

968
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: I still don't think that it was it was. It

969
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: was in the sense that he went to people in

970
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: that room and said, I don't want to fight like

971
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: this anymore, like I don't want to be in wars

972
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: in the ring. After clitch fight that absolutely changed him.

973
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean people had the Release fight the first one,

974
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: as changing him, and maybe it did, but the Clitcho

975
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: fight was first. Even though he won that fight, that

976
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: had a fundamental change on him. And now he's got

977
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: to decide what kind of fighter is he gonna be?

978
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: And and am I willing to put the work in

979
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: to try to get back to the top and not

980
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: having alibis and blaming other people When you change trainers

981
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: after a loss, it appears the way, at least from

982
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: the outside, that it's an alibi that you're blaming the

983
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: trainer because you lost, when in fact, if you asked

984
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: anybody that has a clue about boxing, they will tell

985
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: you that even though he lost that fight against us,

986
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: who was always going to be a difficult matchup for him,

987
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: that he fought better under the tutelage of Robert Garcia

988
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: in that match than he did in a number of

989
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: his previous fights. So I thought they did a good job.

990
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: I felt like there was something to build on and

991
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: and and Joshua has made the decision that he doesn't

992
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: want to build on it. His prerogative. I'm not going

993
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: to be critical of that, but look within to see

994
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: what the problem is, not about who you're around. Yeah,

995
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: I think he needs some consistency to like find a trainer,

996
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: pick a trainer, work with the trainer, hopefully worked with

997
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: the trainer outside of the UK, so you can really

998
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: lock in all these remaining three years. Really, this year

999
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: is the biggest year I think of Anthony Josh's career

1000
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: coming up with some crossroads career defining uh types of fights.

1001
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: Dan always good to catch up man, Happy Hanka, Happy Festivus,

1002
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. All those good things to you and to

1003
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: your family, and I'll see you very soon. I appreciate it. Chris,

1004
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And you have your good have

1005
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: yourself in a great holiday also. And when we come back,

1006
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:02,799
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00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: Ramirez is the former forty pound champion, and ordinarily I'd

1027
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: be talking to Jose before a big five. Has been

1028
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: involved in a number of big fights over the last

1029
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: couple of years. The World Boxing Super Series, where he

1030
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: was the runner up, lost a close tough fight to

1031
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Josh Taylor. Um, you know he fought more a sucker

1032
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: at a terrific fight back in two thousand nineties. Who's

1033
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: been involved in a lot of big fights over the

1034
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: last few years. But we're talking right now because there's

1035
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: a fight it's not happening specifically Jose Ramirez against Regious program.

1036
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: I want to unpack some things with Jose, because when

1037
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: negotiations fall apart, Jose, Yeah, guys get on Twitter and

1038
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: you've got managers battling back and forth, and every seems

1039
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: to kind of get confused over what actually happened. Um

1040
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: with uh, with these the breakdown of talks between you

1041
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: and Regious Programs. So start there. From your perspective, what's

1042
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: happened over the last week or so that has led

1043
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: to your decision and your team's decision not to go

1044
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: forward with a fight against regis progress. Yeah. Well, first,

1045
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: first and foremost, Uh, you know, the team is is

1046
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: aware and my manager is aware that I asked. Haven't

1047
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: made a decision clearly to to walk away from this fight.

1048
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I I you know, I I believe

1049
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: I could be would just prograde. I believe that I'm

1050
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: one of the strongest, stronger fathers in the worm forward

1051
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: you know you see me for hooker up close and

1052
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: and uh my style of boxing, it's not just come forward,

1053
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, I I have a here, I have an

1054
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: experience in the amateurs, since the amateurs second to none,

1055
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: you know it became an olympian for over two under

1056
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: amateur fights. Be a lot of a lot of styles,

1057
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of different styles. Uh. Being an aggressive sort

1058
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: of you know, Mexican style, come forward, no defense, you

1059
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: can you don't. You're gonna be coming the Olympian for

1060
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: team you say. Having that type of style, you know,

1061
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: you gotta learn how to box. You know how to hit,

1062
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: and I'll get hit, especially when you're only finding three rounds.

1063
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: You know, usually UH style uh old old school style

1064
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: of Mexican boxing. Usually, you know, it works out on

1065
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: the professionals because you have twelve rounds to break down

1066
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: a fight or not not through. Usually a lot of

1067
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: fighters that have that style are struggling in the first

1068
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: couple of rounds and because of the wall conditions and

1069
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: other aspects and other characteristics that they might have as

1070
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: a fighter, um, they end up winning the fight. You know,

1071
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm not that case, you know, I have I have

1072
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: I have a great boxing I believe I have a

1073
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: great back boxing style that that you know, in great

1074
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: power and and my size and I'm I'm physical, physically strong,

1075
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: you know. Uh even even on my own speedifight with

1076
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Josh Telly, it wasn't my best performance. I think it

1077
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: wasn't the Jose Ra Mers that I know I could

1078
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: be u. Um and if you score the fight by

1079
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: the rounds, um, it was still a very very close fight.

1080
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: Um the first five rounds almost like I had the

1081
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: same fueling the first five rounds. As as as the

1082
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: fooling when I fall hooker, you know, it's it's only

1083
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: a matter of a couple of rounds and and uh,

1084
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it to the next I'm gonna take

1085
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: it to the next year. You know. My problem with

1086
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: for Tellers, I mean one one mistake and the mistake

1087
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: was when we're in a clinch, the referee, you know,

1088
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: tap my my almbom. Because I'm a very respectful fighter,

1089
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: kind of clean fighter. You know, I was gonna I

1090
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: was gonna step back. Now when I was gonna step back,

1091
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: there was another because I came in it took me.

1092
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: Uh well, at the moment. I'm a fighter. I'm thinking,

1093
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking, I'm okay, I'm going back and looking

1094
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: at the fight. Yes, yes, I could tell. It took

1095
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: me a couple of rounds to get my legs on

1096
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: me right. So I I give I give. I gave

1097
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: away first and almost that that knockdown. It was a

1098
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: ten a round and I gave away another two rounds

1099
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: after that. You know, but I think it's strong. Um.

1100
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: Another thing that I that I was my mistake and

1101
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: the fight was the way I did my wake up.

1102
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: It was in the best way. So sometimes you know

1103
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: when you're a little behind, when you need to be

1104
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: hydraate uh last minute and you don't be hydrate probably

1105
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: so to where you're you're all balanced a little bit,

1106
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, your balance a little bit, a little bit

1107
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: in your bodies, a little fatigue. Um. But anyways, moving forward.

1108
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: But I said, I just want to make it very clear.

1109
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm out of fair I'm out of French space, no

1110
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: one for no one. I'm want for it. I believe

1111
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: I could be the mom you know, and I think

1112
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: anybody to be me, they have to believe, sweat it.

1113
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: And if you there was an interview interview with Josh

1114
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Taylor when they asked me, who what do you think

1115
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: about Regions and Jose and he said about Jose is

1116
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: definitely the song physical fighter and n can tell you

1117
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: you need to you know, you in front of me,

1118
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: you will talk. You spart with me. Those two have

1119
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: spart from a whole career. Man packy Koto uh man.

1120
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: I you know they know that I bring it no

1121
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: difference between me when I was when I first became

1122
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: a world champion against the Merman, when I made a

1123
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand dollars to my first oral title. You know,

1124
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: you you we were not aware of the business. You

1125
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: you were not really aware of value or will you

1126
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: bring to the table. You tend you tend to learn

1127
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: that as you as you go, and you know, you

1128
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: tempt to realize that boxing is your business and you

1129
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta take care of your business. Now. Unfortunately,

1130
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: unfortunately start learning about the politics politics as well, you know,

1131
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: and we just signed what a promoter that doesn't have

1132
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: a network behind that promoter for Bilm for Bilem does

1133
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: not make business with to bring at all. Now, now

1134
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: this this split came uh as seventy thirty the THEUBC split,

1135
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: and so I petitioned that. I asked topp running, you know,

1136
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: let's write let us and that's the THEBC. Let them

1137
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: and all that I'm and there's some one bringing the

1138
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: network will be me, which means that network will come

1139
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: with a real number, a real number of what the

1140
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: spike could possibly be wore, you know, not not an

1141
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: unknown number, a real number. And we can look at

1142
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: the percentage based on that number, and you know that

1143
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: we have a better idea of what's our conversation to

1144
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: fight UM and the ESPN. And my promoters are not

1145
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: really interested in doing that when they're gonna make a guy,

1146
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: especially from a from a promoter that makes real business

1147
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: with get most of the money. When when when the

1148
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: splick came back at sixty five, So pushing with just

1149
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: and I went like head to head with him, I

1150
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: was like, your job is too, is to learn the

1151
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: business man, Go and tell you tell your advisory motors too,

1152
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: to find a network, to find interest in this fire

1153
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: and send me an offer a good offer. Man. You

1154
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: can't I can't go buy thirty five percent of an

1155
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: unknown bidder. You know this is not this is not

1156
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: a thirty percent of a pay per view five. This

1157
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: is not even going in perfect you you know, but

1158
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: we need to make sure who's gonna bid. You know,

1159
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: I legally cannot go out there, and because I'm still

1160
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: on the contract with to bring and try to do

1161
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: all that by myself, you know, my my my own.

1162
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: The only thing that would do is trying to give

1163
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: an idea of what Tom bring my bid depending on

1164
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: what Yes beIN gives them. But no, I found very

1165
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: little interested. So I'm being kind of let alone to

1166
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: try to carry this fight to be made. He doesn't, man,

1167
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound he doesn't seem like it's interested, too

1168
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: interested to do anything about it. And he's like, I'm juster,

1169
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, I have to have a team that does that.

1170
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: Just fight. Don't be stupid, man, don't be stupid, you know,

1171
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: because I think I think too. Let me let me

1172
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: jump in with a couple of things I think too.

1173
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: You're right. His his management team has tried to drum

1174
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: up some interest from the other major promoters, match Room,

1175
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: for example. UM, I don't get the sense that match Room,

1176
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: at least right now is interested in getting into the

1177
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: pro grade business at the moment. Golden Boy not interested

1178
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: at the moment either and that limited like as you know,

1179
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: like there's only handful of big promoters with money behind them.

1180
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: What I was interested in, Jose, was I I tend

1181
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: to agree that I've said the sixty five is not

1182
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: a fair split for for you, because it was a

1183
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: ten million dollar pie. I'll take it any day, right,

1184
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: but even even still, even still, like you know, you're

1185
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: you're the attraction, if that that fight is going to

1186
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: be in Fresno, you've got it's your promoter's money that's

1187
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 1: behind it. But my question for you, Jose, is what

1188
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: is there a number that works for you? Is there

1189
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: a number where you would take that fight if it

1190
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: was there's a minimum that I have to protect me

1191
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: because because I know again well, as I learned the business,

1192
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I learned the value I bring to even top Rount

1193
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: and what and and the interest in the view the

1194
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: viewership that I have everything I fight on ESPN. So

1195
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I I edged to myself with this numbers, and I

1196
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: know what my value is. So I do have a

1197
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: minimum the top runt and the men and and and

1198
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: my minimum would talk ring exceed one million dollars, you know.

1199
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: And I haven't fought for a dollars and twenty since

1200
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: well I went straight from five hundred thousand to to

1201
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: one point five and then to three million, and then

1202
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: you know a couple of those those seven figure fights. Um,

1203
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: but my minimums because because my money was would say

1204
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: just a little bit over a million. So if if

1205
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: it breaches, if it's if it breaches at one point five,

1206
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: I'll take to fight. You know. It's just it's just

1207
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: such a such a risky an unknown number. It could

1208
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: it could land tot is equivalent to three thou dollars mixed.

1209
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. But when when you were when

1210
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: you were petitioning for an improved now, but that's kind

1211
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: of what I'm trying to get at, Like, is there

1212
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: a percentage would you have done the fight had gone

1213
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: forward with a per spitted for example. Yeah, So so

1214
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: my my goal was to get to a split. I

1215
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: was going to get the interests of ESPN. At this point,

1216
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: there's no interest in the on ESPN on toppering. They

1217
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: and then this this onint toping is not interested to

1218
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: to making a guy who's the prevailum six of the bid,

1219
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: So then there won't be there won't be no bid.

1220
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: To my understanding, my goal. No, I don't think there

1221
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: there will not be. There will not be a bit.

1222
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: But what I think what frustrates some people, and this

1223
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what I mean. So I'm

1224
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: trying to educate reaches that I might get it. Just

1225
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: been interested in making a bit and here right, you shouldn't.

1226
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: You should be smarting to understand that of a bigger

1227
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: number is much better than six or five of an

1228
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: of of an unknown very little number. You know, So

1229
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: that that that that frustrates me, you know, because this

1230
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: is my business, and and I know it's in quantified

1231
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: for a belt for the belts will come sooner or

1232
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: later because there's contracts, and I know the Beaches do

1233
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: not sign a lifetime contract with provlum. So when he

1234
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: understands the business, you could decide you can make better decisions.

1235
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: Look at Liquid match Room and Top bring them. When

1236
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: we fall with Hooker, there was a great nego. There

1237
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: was vaccines negotiations that I had with my team. Go

1238
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: out there to speak to Eddie Her, and Eddie Her

1239
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: is a wonderful it's a great promoter, it's a great person,

1240
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: made it very easy, treated us with so much respect.

1241
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: And I went and there's not so much of where

1242
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I fight. It's not so much of who I fight,

1243
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, It's just is that we both get conversated

1244
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: because this is not on needs to support. At the

1245
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: end of the day, man, fans fans that they love you.

1246
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: One days when I be hooking and I came back, man,

1247
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, everything was you know, I was getting all

1248
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: the support. And then you know, you have even if

1249
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: you have a uh, even if you don't have your

1250
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: best performance, and any father could lookree with this, you know,

1251
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: they turned to turn the backs, you know. And then

1252
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: and then and and also it seems to me that

1253
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: at the moment that that that you start making more

1254
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: than what they than with the fan base style, that

1255
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: you probably uh, the moment that you start making this

1256
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: much money and they see that the kind of the

1257
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: last stile that you start moving, then they then they

1258
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: kind of start cheating from the other dog. The guy

1259
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: that's thinking very I'm saying, you know, you know, let's

1260
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: go for this trip to this guy because you know, uh,

1261
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: I could relate to this guy la la less now

1262
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, and and for people need to understanding that

1263
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm still want to I'm still very touchable.

1264
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: You're in the commune, a fresh on where I left

1265
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: and who I know. I'm you know, I'm I'm. I

1266
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: haven't changed. I'm s the same guy I actor acts

1267
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: him and and uh and I love what I do.

1268
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Speaker 1: But I just said I'm not super man. I'm not.

1269
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm not and I can't carry the soul far by

1270
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: myself and and gaining this blame that was just walking away.

1271
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: I haven't walked away to this day. Tomorrow they would

1272
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: send me an offer that I will exeat my my

1273
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: minimum just like doesn't even exceed it, just getting excuse

1274
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: me that I will make a little bit that I

1275
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: will make what my my minimums are, you know, then

1276
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: I'll fight. So then then and I'll still be losing.

1277
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: I'll still be losing that to find my going into

1278
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: this network that has no platform, that has no experience,

1279
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, instead and and and you know, fighting on

1280
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: on the Zone, finding on on on ESPN also experienced platforms.

1281
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: You know. Also sometimes the viewership kind of makeup and

1282
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: compensate some of that money as well too, you know,

1283
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna entertainer and I want to showcase my

1284
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: talent to the most people. Well, what do you think hose,

1285
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what do you think of

1286
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: what's happening with you right now is getting compared to

1287
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: what Virgin Lortise did, who is represented by the same

1288
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: manager as you in all this and you know your

1289
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: manager seemed fine with Virgin Lortise taking twenty five of

1290
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: a split. And he's in a kind of a similar

1291
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: situation that he's the well known guy, he's got the

1292
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: major backer behind him, he's going to be selling tickets

1293
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: in Texas for that fight. He's only getting guaranteed like

1294
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: half a million, And it sounds like Golden Boy and

1295
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's it's the network too, is gonna kick in

1296
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: a little extra cash to make sure he gets there?

1297
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Like is that should should My question of you is

1298
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: should top Rank not do that for you? Should ESPN

1299
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: not do that for you to make a big fight happen?

1300
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: That's that's you said. That's the difference is that Golden Boy,

1301
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: Golden Boys and the Zone are stepping up into making

1302
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: sure vir just treated perfectly. Yeah, and uh, there's not

1303
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: equivalently what that is the planet number that Virgil will

1304
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: be getting and and understanding the overall value of Virgil

1305
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: wins I think Vergial win the fight and the network,

1306
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: the network and more to understand understands that and that's

1307
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: a difference. That's a difference between that situation and mind

1308
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: mine is you know, if I was making you know,

1309
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: minus that, I don't have that support. What why is

1310
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: that though? Like? Why why can't you get because you've

1311
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: been big for top rank for years? I haven't. I

1312
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: I can't speak on the I can't speak because I

1313
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, that's one thing that I I'm not. I'm

1314
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: very unclear why the polity, the politics differences between problem

1315
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: and top ring. Nothing that that that that kicks in.

1316
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: But it's Jose, it's bad between Golden Boy and PPC two.

1317
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: They ain't talking like that that went to a purse bid.

1318
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: They they're they're not having conversations about making gold The

1319
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: Boy just won the purse bid and now they're going

1320
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: to make sure that Virgil is getting probably to like

1321
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: that low seven figure number. You know, let's those those

1322
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: the same questions I'm asking myself and asking my manager

1323
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: to communicate with Tom. But you know, we already gotta

1324
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: find an answer, man. And it's like, you know, I'm

1325
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of being kind of let you know, um uh,

1326
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of being let alone in this, you know

1327
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. Um, But listen up, there's there's one

1328
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: thing that that that that what I'm excited for is

1329
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: that there's great a hundred forty pound fighters. Devin Haney

1330
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: he's moving up to on forty soon to Female Lopez

1331
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: just moved up to one forty. Bryan Garcia is that

1332
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: one for him? Now? Those names, especially Tiakimo and Devin Haney,

1333
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: who are in house fighters, and this had the former fights,

1334
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: art could be made, you know. So I don't need

1335
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: reaches at the end of the day. And that's that's

1336
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: what that's that's what gives me a little bit of

1337
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: uh stability, um and and and and it's what kiss

1338
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: me composed, you know, knowing that sent later the spice

1339
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: will come, I hope, I hope. Yeah, I hope Bridges

1340
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: will signed with the Zone and then the Manchine and

1341
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: one like that. And then I think read his team hopes,

1342
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: I think reads his team, hopes he signs with I

1343
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: think that's the truth to that. Then yeah, this fight

1344
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: would have been happening now and it would have been

1345
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: a massive promoted five you know, because Tod Bran has

1346
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: done business with Matchroom Boxing, you know obviously with me

1347
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: and Hooker, you know, you know, but that's not the case.

1348
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: And and I Helder, I felt like, I, you know

1349
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: this but then really hurt a lot of fighters. But

1350
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: I think it really hurt me, you know, it hurt

1351
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: me a lot. That kust me away when it took

1352
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: me to leave from from November as already by training

1353
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: camp to fight Pustoll, And it didn't happen until August

1354
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: nine because I was postponed to the fights. And then

1355
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: any one, I found Taylor for the only of championship,

1356
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, And and I I promise, you know, to

1357
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: fight the best in the division and to go out

1358
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: to all the belts, and that's what I did. So

1359
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: the question of for me being to fredify the best,

1360
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: that's not it at all. No, you you're never you've

1361
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: never been afraid to fight any but that that that's

1362
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: of course not like there's no no, you're never been

1363
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: afraid about anybody. But like my my thing, what I

1364
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: would ask you the hoose days like you're right like

1365
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: ta femo, Taylor Hainey, perhaps eventually there there's opportunity there

1366
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: for you to get a belt to get big fights.

1367
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: I would say this though, you know you just turned thirty.

1368
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if if I look at the just

1369
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: the landscape next year, it might be tough for you

1370
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: to get that fight. Because it sounds like Taylor is

1371
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 1: gonna have his fight that maybe to a femo. After that, Haym,

1372
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna do his thing with the who knows a

1373
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: he's a great part, Chris. I want to got two

1374
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: flights level the Topering, and then I'm a free agent.

1375
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: There's options for me, man. I've been willing to I've

1376
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: been ready to move to the SEF I think you know.

1377
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: I spoke to my ex coaches, even Marvin somebody and

1378
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: Freddie Rode and let him gone fight when he foggins

1379
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: football in the Las Vegas and I came across him

1380
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: and they're like they he moved to and ford to them.

1381
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: You know what you could do, my excorgious you know, uh,

1382
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: there being a free agent just opens up a whole

1383
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: amount of opportunity. And the Top Ring obviously wants me

1384
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: to resign with them. They have to feed me a

1385
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: guy like to a female or a guy like them. Hayman.

1386
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, because because that's who I am. I I

1387
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: need to take care of my future. You know, I'm

1388
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: not just a dumb guy who says so. So that's

1389
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where, that's where you know, I have

1390
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: to I had, I would act to buy earlier early

1391
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: this year, you know. And that's why I want to

1392
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: move forward some something that feel like, let me just

1393
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: move forward to my career and just get one fight

1394
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: of the way and then the second one it will

1395
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: be my last five top ring. They give me a

1396
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: good name. You know. Again, there's a minimums on my bag,

1397
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: so financially it will be okay, you know. But and

1398
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: then I don't okay in my career, you know, Um,

1399
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: I don't just fine, but I uh, you know, I'm

1400
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: gonna start exceeding. I'm in the driver's sea. I'm started

1401
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: asking for the spice and and you know, and and

1402
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: let's get get this get on, because I know two

1403
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: people is not dumbing. It's not dumbinant to go and

1404
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: five percent and begin this situation I'm in right now.

1405
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: You know percent no ouh, no number. I know his

1406
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: dad says, oh you know they you know, they're it's

1407
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: easy for the dad to do all the talking and

1408
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But when man, we'll see if he doesn't,

1409
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't, but note gets, you know, get ready, because

1410
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm ready, you know, and and and I

1411
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: know Tompling has had inside talks and that they're interested

1412
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: in and and making that fight happen. It's a big

1413
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: fire on the ESPN inside house. Now Damian Hey moves

1414
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: moving up to that's another big five, big five. I

1415
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: could put myself on the Reggians as dorby O. You know,

1416
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: work my way up, find those big names. You know,

1417
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: if I beat your female, that puts me grew high

1418
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: on the derby all. You know, I would just be productive.

1419
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: When he was drinking number four, I've beat him early

1420
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: this year, and uh it was it was my my

1421
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: first five coming after since since May of last year.

1422
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: Brought up and I was a little tense because you

1423
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: know it was it was after I lost. But I

1424
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: could have put away to also, you know, I'm just

1425
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: like I to tell with a different level. You know,

1426
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: he was trying to survive because he felt my job

1427
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: in the first round, you know, he felt more and

1428
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: I took my time too. I felt very cautious. That's

1429
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: the most caustious I've ever fought. But that's what someone

1430
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: does when when trying to get the competence back back up,

1431
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: you know. And I went out at a guy who's

1432
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: the two time world champion. I haven't taken all easy

1433
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: fights since since I became a champion him before to

1434
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: get to the RBC, shot against somebody them all, and

1435
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: I stopped uh Mike Read who was uh an Olympic alternative. Um,

1436
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: and he was twenty two and twenty three and all

1437
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: the time. And I started in two rounds, you know,

1438
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: to go and fire against the rare monster. There's no

1439
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: question in my restume, you know. And um, there's no

1440
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: question what I could do. Man. I just you know,

1441
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited for my future because once of

1442
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: my creative Man, this whole politics, you know, they ain't

1443
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: gonna you know, it's not gonna it's not gonna hold

1444
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: me back. And I think that's what the people need

1445
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: to understand that the only I'm being hold I'm kind

1446
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: of being hold back a little bit right now. And

1447
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: it's not fair, you know. And then people I know

1448
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: people as easier, oh because they go but it's a

1449
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: but it's the WC belt Man. I've been ABC the

1450
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: champion and it doesn't make no difference. People. I was

1451
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna just like you know, you for for whatever the

1452
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: reason they have. So you need to focus on you

1453
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: and your family and you know, and I'm gonna do

1454
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:47,839
Speaker 1: what I do in the in the ring, and I'm

1455
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: gonna give my heart out, you know, so hopefully people

1456
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: respect that. And that's all I could do. It's just

1457
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: give give them, give them my best. But at the

1458
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: same time, you know, I got my fact at my

1459
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: family and and and and I gotta take her myself

1460
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: and them because you're not a fight for you know,

1461
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: boxing is not. It's not like you could be a

1462
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: talctor then too. Your sixty years old. You know, Boxton,

1463
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: you have you gotta you got a short, short self

1464
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: life to make a lot of money. I totally get

1465
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: that last question for you. It is, So is the

1466
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: plan short term? Richard Comey in March? Is that kind

1467
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: of what you're being presented with at this point? And

1468
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: like how long will you wait until? Like will you

1469
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: still hold out? Hope they'll make up a program. We

1470
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: need to we need time to promote, to promote my

1471
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: next fight. So um, you know, I'm I'm I'm went

1472
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: into the to the end of the year, so I'm

1473
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: glad I'm having this interview. So again, just my message

1474
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: to read this into any network if you guys are

1475
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Speaker 1: interested in despipe of the thing is that the Zone

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Speaker 1: and any other huge network unless they unless there are fires,

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01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: there's no reason for them to invest on a fartre

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: that they don't you know, have by the contract. It

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: doesn't benefit the Zone and anyway, it doesn't benefit match

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01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: Woman anyway to you know, or or Golden Boy or

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01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, to Batisfy because I'm still leaking in contract

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: with top Rink and then we just do a prevailum,

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, so not we already know where I say

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: with with my promoter. So you know, the only only

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: the only person is for that guy to to learn

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: the business and within two days and and and go

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: out there and start asking questions. This promoter, because they're

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: from their promoters, have a right to give him the

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: champion right now, the best fights. And it seems like

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01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: they're not doing that. The whole the whole managed menasagement

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 1: team is out doing that, you know. But at the

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, man, the fights are gonna happen

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: and and um before the unions, I could be in

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01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: a position where I have all these options, you know,

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01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: and if and if and if and if it's staying

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: with Top Ring. My sense to him and now stay

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: with Top Rink of now, you know, we'll see, we'll

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: see what was out there. The good thing is that

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Speaker 1: in my contract, even if I become a champion by

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Speaker 1: my second by my next fight, there's no there's nothing

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: that holds me back from staying with the Top right

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: unless I unless I want to stay. So it's not

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01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: like there's nothing in my contract that says if you

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01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: become a champion, yet you know, your contract extends. And

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01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what our promoters do that. And I

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: did my when I did when I became a champion

1507
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: against your mom, but uh that that part already ended.

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01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: I I extended my contract with them for a couple

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: more fights after they gave me the Tailor fight. You know,

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01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: but now, but I think that's why, you know, Richard

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: Colemen has been been percent to me, but they had

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: to presend me a bigger fight. You know, I'm willing

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: to be back in that ring again for the second

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Speaker 1: fight before September. Oh say I appreciate your time. Man.

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, one forty is hot right now. Man,

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01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great division. You know. You throw

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia into that mix later on in the year,

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: presumably he's at that way class, another big name. I

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01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: hope you get into it. Man, You're a fun fighter,

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: and uh hope to see you back real soon. Now. Listen, man,

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01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: this there's this Spider's thing, Brian. Uh even even the

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01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: Damn Hanys he's doing, he's putting, he's doing a little

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: bit more than the other guys. But the other guys

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01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: they love to talk and only name each other, you know,

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01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: and those fights are not happening. So I'm there to

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01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: destroy their plans and they take the fight against me

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: bro so um, you know, I'm I know I could

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: be Brian Garcia, and I know I could be Damn Haley,

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01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: and I know I could beat too from Lopus and

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: uh and and and thank you know, so when those

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01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: guys are really I want to step away from all

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: this is nice uh uh propaganda that's working for them,

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01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, and there's all marketing job that they're doing

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: calling each other out the last five since it's turned professional,

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01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: you know, when the weally, you know, and they're finding

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: guys who are way behind, you know, they're finding guys

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01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: who are very unknown. But because they're because they continue

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01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: talking about each other, the fancy to kind of, okay,

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: let's give them more, PreK, let's give when they're really

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01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: to actually make the big fights him and I'll be

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: there too, you know, I'll be there, and so I'm

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01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: excited about the more for them, you know, I'm looking

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01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: forward to it. I was a good luck hope you

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: get everything you want this year. Man. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Dan Rayphael,

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Speaker 1: and Jose Ramirez but joining the show as always, subscribe, rate,

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01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I'll see you next week