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Speaker 1: he was finally like, oh, she keeps leaning up on me.

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00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I guess Bulos wrote quote, I yielded and let myself

423
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: find consolation for all my sorrows in a new passion.

424
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: And within a couple of weeks they were lovers. Within

425
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: a couple of months, they were engaged to be married.

426
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: He moves fast. He turned to her and said, help me,

427
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: help me, Randa, help me get her out of my heart.

428
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: All that's a pretty good song. I should write this down.

429
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: I write this down. But Ector had another obstacle standing

430
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: in the way of his new true love, her mother,

431
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: whom he called or the hippopotamus. Wow that's dark now.

432
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: Did he start by under that and then she didn't

433
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: like him? Was it the other way around? He was like, yeah,

434
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: I would not blame her. Maybe she was in a

435
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: Twoto like infantation. Yeah, maybe she was the inspiration. Um.

436
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: She did not approve of her daughter's passion for this

437
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: broke gass musician, so she decided to make his life

438
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: annoying as hell. According to Robert Greenberg music dot COM's

439
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: article Scandalous Overtures, Camille's mother quote put him through more

440
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: hoops than a circus dog to make him prove himself

441
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: worthy of her daughter. Now, they didn't say what the

442
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: hoops were, so speculation station what did this lam make

443
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: him do? Oh my god, I mean like literal hoops,

444
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: yes I have. I'm picturing her being like, jumped through

445
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: this hoop and he's like, no, that's humiliating. I'm a man,

446
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: not her dog. And she's like, well, do you love

447
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: my daughter or what. He's like, fine, I'll jump through

448
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: the hoop. And then he jumped through the hoop and

449
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Camille was like, yeay, I love you, and Mom's like

450
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: again and he's like okay. And then as soon as

451
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: he's about to jump, she sets the hoop on fire.

452
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, flaming hoops. Literally. She was just like,

453
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: you need to make money. So she was like, go,

454
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, do some LNG cares. I don't know. Well,

455
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: whatever she did, she made a miserable yeah, but fortunately

456
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: During this time, Hector competed for his fourth time for

457
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: the Prix de Rome, and this time he won. All

458
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: that shipping on Italian opera finally paid off, and he

459
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: took himself off to Italy to write a French opera

460
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: in Italy worthy of the love of Canelle. Mok. And

461
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: with that, we will take a brief commercial break, and

462
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with their lovely story. All right, everyone,

463
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: welcome back to the symphony. Now. Was only three weeks

464
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: into this program at the Academy that he had competed

465
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: for several times when he received a letter from Camille's

466
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: mother saying that Camille was breaking off their engagement. If

467
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: he's in Rome and there in Paris, probably takes a

468
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: week or so to get a letter there. So he

469
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: goes to the academy and she immediately starts like, okay,

470
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: this is where I get rid of him. She's plotting,

471
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: plotting against him this whole time. Well, Camille had received

472
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: an offer from a super rich guy thirty years older

473
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: than herself. His name is also Camille. The guy's name

474
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: was Camille Playel. He was a piano maker and a

475
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: virtuoso pianist himself, and he actually provided pianos for Frederic

476
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: Chopin of all people, and he was also heir to

477
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: the Playel piano making fortune. So this guy really had

478
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: his life together. Probably he was thirty years older. That

479
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: definitely Hector had a little more time can get his

480
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: life right. And Madame Mouke told Hector backup off Camille forever.

481
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: Let's not make a big deal about this, Okay, I mean,

482
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: come on, they're they're both named Camille. Like, that's kind

483
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: of awkward calling out your lover's name in bed right

484
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: to just be saying, call me by your name. I

485
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: guess he could really do that. Where's the coming about

486
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: your name? About Camille and Camille? Call right? We're their

487
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: friends always, Like, oh, the Camilles are here. But Camille's

488
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: mother should have known by now that making a big

489
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: deal out of things was kind of Hector's whole thing. Yeah,

490
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: it's like his kind of m O in general. I

491
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: don't think he knew how to not make a big

492
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: deal a lot of things. Yeah, he had big feelings

493
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: about this whole thing, and possibly the biggest of those

494
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: feelings was anger. So he decided what he was going

495
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to do was leave Rome in a huff. Presumably go

496
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: back to Paris and kill Camille's mother, Camille, the other Camille,

497
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: and then himself in this spectacular triple homicide suicide. So

498
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: he stole two double barrel pistols as well as some

499
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: Stryck nine. I guess in case he missed, then poison him.

500
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess he's Oh, if I shot you

501
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: in the leg, you would have fallen over, and then

502
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: I'll just walk over. Who knows what he was thinking here.

503
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: He also got himself a French maid's costume, which he

504
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: intended to wear as a disguise in order to sneak

505
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: into the Moke house. All right, actor, you were not

506
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: thinking this through, right. I mean, this is a woman

507
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: who has known you pretty well and he slept with you.

508
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: I think you just put on unless you have a

509
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: missis doubt fire makeup situation happening. How do you think

510
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: you're just gonna walk right by her and and she's

511
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: not gonna be like ecto? Is that you and a

512
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: French maid's costume? He goes and finds Harvey fire scene

513
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: is like Nick me the most beautiful French maid you've

514
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: ever seen? And he's like all right. He was like

515
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can't do that, Actor skill,

516
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I would you like to be an old British maid?

517
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: I can make you an ugly wol frenchwoman. Does that work? So,

518
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: on route to France to carry out his amazing plan,

519
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Actor apparently lost the French maid's costume somewhere. Somehow he

520
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: had to have another one made in Genoa. Where did

521
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: you lose it? What happened to it? Did he put

522
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: it on? Like, try it on and it ripped? Well?

523
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: What does he tell that? Because you can't go to

524
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: a party city and get a French maid's costume. So

525
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: goes the tailor and he's like, I need an outfit

526
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: for my for my maid. She's like, okay, well is

527
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: she here? Can I measure her? What are her dimensions?

528
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, just use me. She's about my size.

529
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Maybe in Genoa they were like, you know what, I

530
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: don't ask questions you want Yeah, you're the ninth guy

531
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: to come in here and ask for a French maid's

532
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: costume and his size this week, no further question. So

533
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: while actor was in Genoa, he fell off the city

534
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: ramparts into the Mediterranean theme. Maybe that's how he lost

535
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: the French Baids costume. Maybe I thought it was was

536
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: waiting for it to be made, but maybe that is.

537
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to put this on and then

538
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: balance beam across the ramparts of the river. See what

539
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: I can do. One source said he was trying to

540
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: drown himself. Others said he just fell off, like walking

541
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: on the ramparts like you do. He was fished out

542
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: by some locals, and after spending an hour violently vomiting

543
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: up seawater, he decided not to go through with his plot.

544
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: It turns out dying is terrible, and I want to

545
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: do it again. That sucked. Other sources say that he

546
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: did nearly drown in Genoa, but that he didn't change

547
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: his mind about his plot until he was in Niece, France. Anyway,

548
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: at some point in his journey, his rage died down,

549
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: and he thought about the two sisters he had, with

550
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: whom he was very close, and all the music that

551
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: he wanted to write that would be left unwritten. He

552
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: went through with killing himself, hopefully. Also thought about, like Camillo,

553
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: all the things she could do. But it doesn't say

554
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: that really really self centered on this one, he wrote

555
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: in his memoirs quote love of life and art, whispered

556
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: a thousand sweet promises to me. I let them speak,

557
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: and even found a certain pleasure in listening. So he

558
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: stayed in Nice for a little while, writing music, walking

559
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: through orange groves and swimming in the ocean, later calling

560
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: them quote the twenty happiest days of my life. So

561
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: if you're going through a breakup, right now, take yourself

562
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: to me, Dorothee, and take a big right. That sounds great.

563
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: Then he took himself back to Rome and successfully appealed

564
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: to be let back into this composition program that he

565
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: had left in order to go murder suicide. A bunch

566
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: of people. You know, I'm sorry I left school. I

567
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: had the craziest idea and it didn't pan out, and

568
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, that would make a great opera, right,

569
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: get back in here, And you know, I don't know.

570
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: Maybe he dodged a bullet with Camille, because only four

571
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: years later after marrying her, her husband Camille Playel separated

572
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: from her permanently, citing scandalous conduct and multiple infidelities. Although

573
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: I have to wonder if that's not just case. He

574
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: was thirty years older than her and like basically an

575
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: arranged marriage. Yeah, She's like, I'm not not that into you. Yeah.

576
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: But one of her lovers was the Hungarian composer and

577
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: pianist Franz List, which apparently strained lists relationship hip with

578
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Chopin because they used Chopin's room for one of their

579
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: little rendezvous and it really pissed him off. Did you

580
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: at least change the sheets? List wrote about her quote,

581
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: she has magnificent talent. She asked me whether I remembered

582
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: Chopin's room. It certainly, madame, How could I forget? Etcetera, etcetera.

583
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: It's that etcetera at the end, because it makes it

584
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: sound like he was like, yes, of course, madam, how

585
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: could I forget? It's such an amazing night with you, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

586
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Oh I thought maybe he was like, because he says

587
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: she's a magnificent talent, maybe he's like, oh, yeah, how

588
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: could I forget Chopin's room, etcetera. Like and also the

589
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: kitchen and the living room and the basement and the

590
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: attic and on top of Chopin's piano that your husband made. Wow.

591
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: What's funny too, is that Franz Least was a really

592
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: big fan of actor's. Actually he loved the symphony fantastic

593
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: and like we said, Actor had never learned the piano

594
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: um so Franz Least actually rewrote the entire symphony for

595
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: piano so that more people could hear it, because I

596
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: thought it was so cool. So thanks to Hector was

597
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: alone again and so he dedicated himself to composition again.

598
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: He hated Italian music and culture. He's like funk all this,

599
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: but the scenery was very inspiring. He thought it was

600
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: beautiful countryside, gorgeous sunsets. I mean, which is so true.

601
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: It is beautiful. It is if I can go back

602
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: to my study abroad and now I won't one an episode.

603
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, And all that scenery and beauty really influenced

604
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: his work while he was there, but he left the

605
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: program a little early and went back to France in

606
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty two, and there he arranged a concert of

607
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: his work, including the Symphony Fantastique and its sequel Lelio,

608
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: and through a third party, he sent an invitation to

609
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: the symphony's muse Harriet Smithson, Oh, his original obsession, right,

610
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: and she also inspired the sequel Lelio, So he's still

611
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: on Harriet even after Camille, he's still up on Harriet

612
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: in his mind. Now this time, Harriet accepted the invite,

613
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: maybe because it was from a third party and she

614
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you want me to go great? Or

615
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: she like completely forgotten about this guy, like he's thinking

616
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: of her every day, and she's like, I never heard

617
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: of him. Sure, I'll go see what this is all about. Sure,

618
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, she accepted, and she was dazzled by all

619
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: the celebrities and attended, which included friends least Frederick Chopin,

620
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: Pagan Nanny, Victor Hugo, and Alexandre Duma. We're list In

621
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Chopin like sitting across the aisle from each other, just

622
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: staring Daggers, I can't believe what you did to my piano.

623
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh you have no idea? What I did? You know?

624
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: So why? And while she's in the audience, Harriet finally

625
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: realizes that this symphony is about her. She didn't not

626
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: know that this whole time, so she's pretty flattered, and

627
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: she sent a message to Hector to congratulate him on

628
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: his successful concert. They ended up finally meeting in person,

629
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: and it wasn't long before they became lovers, and in

630
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty three, she agreed to marry him, despite her

631
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: family's strident opposition. Now, the past couple of years actually

632
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: had not been too kind to Harriet. She had gotten

633
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: rave reviews in Paris, which emboldened her to return to

634
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: the London stage. But the reviewers in London, of course,

635
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: they had panned her acting before she ever went to Paris,

636
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: so they weren't eager to look like that. They didn't

637
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: know what they were talking about originally, right. They didn't

638
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: want eat Crowe to be like, well, actually, I guess

639
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: she's very good. So they were kind of lukewarm about

640
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: her effage. They were like, shiss, I guess she learned

641
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: something in Paris. She's okay. I didn't want to stab

642
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: myself in the eye like the last time I saw her.

643
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder if part of it is like

644
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: I don't want people think Paris knows more about going. Sure,

645
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: we do in London. But still she did all right

646
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: for a while until she set up her own theater

647
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty, which is the worst decision you can

648
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: make to start your own theater. Kids out there today.

649
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: She put up and performed in several plays, but they

650
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: were unsuccessful. And in March of eighteen thirty three, she

651
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: was deeply in debt, which was a serious problem because

652
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: her mother and her sister relied on her financially. Some

653
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: biographies say that these financial constraints are the main reason

654
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: that she was willing to accept her old stalker Hector. Yeah,

655
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: instead of like, oh, I didn't know, oh it's about me.

656
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess you're actually kind of, you know,

657
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: famous for some like hut progression. But they were like, actually,

658
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: she just was like, I'm broke. I need somebody to

659
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: take care of This guy seems to be doing all

660
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: right and he's into me, so I'll take it, right.

661
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: But he also was not making that much money, so

662
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: I thunder about that he wasn't He was famous and

663
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, successful, but he wasn't actually gathering. Maybe that's

664
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: perfect because she's like, he's not so so wealthy and

665
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: successful that he's unattainable. He's got all these women after him,

666
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: but I'm just like betting on his future, like if

667
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: he's on the rise, so this would be a smart

668
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: time to get in, okay, okay. A speculative and apparently

669
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: they had a pretty happy marriage at first. In four

670
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: they had a son Louis, but things went downhill after that.

671
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: Harriet performed for the final time in eighteen thirty six.

672
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: She had no roles, nothing going on with her career,

673
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and actor meanwhile, wasn't making that much money. But his

674
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: fame was growing as a music critic and a conductor

675
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: as well as a composer, and his main desire as

676
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: a composer was to write an opera, because that was

677
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: how you really made your mark in the world of

678
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: music in Paris. Apparently, at that time, music on its

679
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: own was just not very meaningful. It didn't seem like

680
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: a very high art. They were like, you need to

681
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: throw in some storytelling, some costumes. I need some more

682
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: stuff going on. So he worked for a few years

683
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: on his opera ben Venuto, Cellini and Burly Oz. Scholar D.

684
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: Kern Holloman says that he agrees with Hector that it

685
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: has quote exceptional exuberance and verve, but the performances weren't great.

686
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Apparently they had weak singers and bad staging, both of

687
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: which are kind of the whole point of operation. Without

688
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: good staging and good singing, you don't have a good opera,

689
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: just a concert. They were like everyone's dressed great though.

690
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, the opera was poorly received. It was quickly canceled,

691
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: and Hector foresaw that he would never get another chance

692
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: to take it in the world of opera, and he

693
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: was right. The doors of the Paris Opera were never

694
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: opened for him again. Wow, Petty one one one bad opera.

695
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: They never let you come back. Yeah, not like Hollywood today,

696
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: where you can just fail up. Let's be honest, there's

697
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: so many failures up in Hollywood. But not long after

698
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: that disaster, he conducted a concert of his own work

699
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: that went great. Paganini was in the audience, and after

700
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: the show, he came up on stage, knelt down before

701
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: Hector in homage and kissed his hands. How, I mean,

702
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: how cool is that? Right? Tagging Ninny? I mean, everybody

703
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: already knew he was the best. And only a few

704
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: days later Hector was shocked to receive a check from

705
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: Paganini for francs that is worth just checking. We have

706
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: one conversion calculator here that says it is over a

707
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand euros today. Wow. Just oh, here's

708
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: a little you know what, what's that an American dollar's

709
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna be over two hundred thousand dollars. Here's it. Here's

710
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: a check, just because I liked your thing that you did.

711
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: He's like, you need money, sir, right, and I'm like, yes,

712
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: me too, somebody right me, Hey, if anybody likes this

713
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: show enough to write us two check, we will take it,

714
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: we will cash it, and thank you gratefully. So this

715
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: enabled Actor to pay off his and Harriet's debts and

716
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: even allowed him to take a break from music criticism

717
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: and concentrate just on composing. So he did some successful work,

718
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: but around eighteen forty he was struggling financially again and

719
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: started writing a series of articles that became his Treatise

720
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: on Orchestration, published in eighteen forty three. And this and

721
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: the Symphony Fantastic seemed to be his most enduring achievements.

722
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: Sometime in eighteen forty he met the mezzo soprano Marie Rescio,

723
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: who was a professional singer with the Paris Opera. And

724
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: we'll find out more about that relationship right after this

725
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the shower one. So, remember how

726
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: Actor and Harriet's marriage was going downhill. That's because Harriet

727
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: got really jealous of Actor's success. Just as her career

728
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: was failing, she started drinking heavily. That caused increasingly bad

729
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: health problems for her, and then she started getting real

730
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: suspicious about this Marie woman that actor was spending so

731
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: much time with, and that only increased her bitter resentment,

732
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: her drinking, and her ill health. I gotta wonder if

733
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: one time she opened his closet and was like, what's

734
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: this French maid's costume doing it here? He was like,

735
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: just a souvenir of an old guy. I'm not cheating

736
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: on you with a maid. That's just from what I

737
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: was going to murder, suicide a bunch of people. Oh

738
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: what a really, But Harriet's instincts were spot on. By

739
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: eight forty one, Marie was Hector's mistress, and he even

740
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: helped her get a steady job singing at the Opera Comique,

741
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: but that only lasted a few months because she had

742
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: a limited range and apparently also terrible stage fright that

743
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: robbed her of any singing skills that she had while

744
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: she was on stage. Weird career to go into. Yeah, absolutely,

745
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I really hate heights more than

746
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: anything else in the world, But I just want to

747
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: be a crane construction operator, you know, come on. She

748
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: accompanied Hector on his German concert tour and sang several solos,

749
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: and he even composed a song called Les d'ta for

750
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: her in Three the Nights of Summer. The BiblioTech National

751
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: in France calls Marie a possessive shrew who demanded to

752
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: be given solos, even though Hector wrote, quote shemus leg

753
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: two dozen cats actors like, you don't sound like good.

754
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: Let me try. I guess I'll write something not complicated.

755
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: She's de ended in other ways. I have other gifts.

756
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: So it also says in BiblioTech National that he tried

757
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: to flee from Marie in Frankfurt during their tour, but

758
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: then she caught up with him in Weimar. He was like,

759
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: damn it, Oh did I forget you. I'm so glad

760
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: you caught up. Well, here we are again. Marie would

761
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: even try to provoke and humiliate Harriet, So maybe that's

762
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: why in eight forty three Actor set up a separate

763
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: household from Harriet with Marie, even though he continued to

764
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: financially support Harriet. Makes sense, He's like, let me get

765
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: my mistress out of the same house. As my wife.

766
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: That seems clean, cleaner now. Despite her overbearing personality, or

767
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: maybe because of it, Marie would remain with Hector for

768
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: twenty years. BiblioTech National says, even so, he barely mentions

769
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: her in his memoirs, the quote too great loves which

770
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: have exerted such a powerful and long lasting influence that

771
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: he writes about r Stell his first love, and Harriet

772
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: his muse. Wow, the eighteen year old from his childhood

773
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: and then and then the woman he stalked, which makes sense.

774
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still is the reason he decided to

775
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: become a composer, because he had feelings he couldn't express

776
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: other ways. So I can see him being like, I'm

777
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: still thinking about hers. You know, there's still some love

778
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: in my heart. I guess I still think of the

779
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: eighteen year old when I was twelve. Sometimes Jillian, Jillian, Jillian.

780
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: He's married now, I'm just kidding. Stay away, Jillian, get

781
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: out of here. Even though they were estranged, Hector still

782
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: loved Harriet. In eighty eight, Harriet suffered a series of

783
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: strokes that left her mostly paralyzed and needing constant nursing

784
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: and actor pay for everything, and when he was in Paris.

785
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: He visited her all the time, sometimes twice a day.

786
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: So again, he's loyal the guy. Once he decides he

787
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: loves you, that's it. You're in his heart forever. So

788
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: Berrioz was critiquing and conducting music with maybe not a

789
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: lot of financial success, but at least he had a

790
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of respect. But critics wrote scathing stuff about his operas,

791
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: his symphonies, and his songs, including this gem quote. His

792
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: strange composition consisting of nothing but noise, disorder, a sickly

793
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: and sterile exaltation bare Leo's musically speaking, is a lunatic,

794
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: a classical composer only in Paris, the great city of quacks. Damn.

795
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: His music is simple and undisguised, nonsense hard, that's way harsh. Tie.

796
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: This quote was printed in Interlude dot HK, a website

797
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: that's dedicated to Cli School musical history and theory, but

798
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: it's not attributed to anyone in particular, so we're not

799
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: sure of their source here. But in eighteen fifty actor

800
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: decided to play a little trick on his musical critics,

801
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: so he wrote a choral piece about the shepherds saying

802
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: goodbye to the baby Jesus as the Holy Family left

803
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: Bethlehem for Egypt, and he called it La fance ducrist.

804
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: In November eighteen fifty he set up a concert to

805
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: perform l'enfance, which you're hearing some of now, and he

806
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: told the press that during the restoration at the Parisian

807
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: Church San Chappelle, they had discovered this piece of music

808
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: written on ancient parchment behind the wall, and Hector had

809
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: discovered that it was written by Pierre Ducray, a brilliant

810
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: but forgotten music master of San Chapelle in sixteen seventy nine. Now,

811
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 1: Actor had had a lot of trouble translating it because

812
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: it was written in an archaic notation, but he knew

813
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: the world had to hear it. The press a this

814
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: ship up like peanut butter pretzels baby. They praised Burlios

815
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: for uncovering this valuable masterpiece. They fell over themselves admiring

816
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: the beauty of the orchestration. One particularly caustic critic of

817
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: Hector's wrote quote, Burlos would never be able to write

818
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: a tune as simple and as charming as this little

819
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: piece by old Ducray. There's that must have been the

820
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: most satisfying thing you ever read. Oh my god, he

821
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: was laughing so hard when he read that. He's got

822
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: a bit interlude, writes quote, as you might well imagine,

823
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: Burlios was greatly amused by the wave of admiration for

824
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: the fictitious ducree. He quickly confessed his subterfuge, but the

825
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: Ruse assured that the oratorio received unanimous approval from the

826
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: music critics far and wide, love that he was like

827
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: surprised I wrote this one and there and that and

828
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: far and wide. They're like, good one, good one, you

829
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: got us. I mean they could now suddenly be like,

830
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: oh well, now it's a piece of ship. Yeah right right.

831
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: You know now that I listened to it again, it's

832
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: not very good. Lunatic made it. That's awesome. In March

833
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: of eighteen fifty four, Harriet Smithson Barlos died, and in

834
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: October of that same year actor married Marie Rescio. He

835
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: explained to his son Louis that he quote had to

836
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: duration had become you will understand indissoluble. I could neither

837
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: live alone nor abandon the person who had lived with

838
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: me for fourteen years. He's like, sorry, kid, I mean

839
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: she's been around for a long time, it would be

840
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: rude not to for real. So he wrote a five

841
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: act opera and continued his music critique and conducting, and

842
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: he was doing really well in Prague, Germany and Russia particularly,

843
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: and he was writing prose with Maria's collapse raider and

844
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: manager until eighteen sixty two. She died of heart disease,

845
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: but Actor wasn't left alone. Marie's mother was devoted to him,

846
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: so she lived with him and took care of him

847
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: until the end of his life. I imagine with Marie being,

848
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: you know, like eleven years younger than him. Uh, mom

849
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: wasn't too much older than him. Oh, maybe not. I

850
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: didn't think about that. Maybe they were closer in age.

851
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: I was just like I guess he wasn't universally unpopular

852
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: with mothers in law. Maybe he didn't call her hippopotamus. Yeah,

853
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: that probably helped. But it wasn't long before another woman

854
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: distracted him from his grief, a woman almost half his age,

855
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: twenty six year old Emily. Well that's you know, That's

856
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: what I love about Actor. He keeps getting older and

857
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: his wife say the same age shove by real the

858
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: DiCaprio of his time. Yeah, it altho let's for DiCaprio.

859
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: I was pushing it. I know, DiCaprio's like, what am I?

860
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: What am I dating retirees? Now, Emily's last name is unknown.

861
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: She was possibly married, and they may be met in

862
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: the Montmarked cemetery, but that's about all that's known because

863
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: they were only together for a little less than a year,

864
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: so not a lot of information about her. Yeah, it's

865
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: a little rebound. Now. Not long after they split up,

866
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: Emily died, but Hector didn't know anything about it until

867
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: six months later he was walking in a cemetery and

868
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: stumbled upon her grave. Now, the research says by this

869
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: point he was financially comfortable, he had sold the publishing

870
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: rights for his five act opera Letroyen, but he was

871
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: really depressed because both his wives and both his sisters,

872
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: who again he had been very close to his wife,

873
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: had all died. Um, you know, he's getting older, so

874
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: his contemporary start to die as well. He's just got

875
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: a little morbidly obsessed with death. So you got to

876
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: wonder what this little interlude and the cemetery he did

877
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: for his mental health. For a minute, he should be

878
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: so weird to just basically just a few months ago

879
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: broken up with this woman and then find out she died. Yeah,

880
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was just a mindful find out by Yeah,

881
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: it's not even like you heard about it, but just like,

882
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm here with your you know you're grave.

883
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: That's creepy what happened, you know? And he has no

884
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: right to ask, no right to know, you know what

885
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it just must have been a weird It's

886
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: a very weird thing to come. So who could Hector

887
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: turn to at this late stage in his life, where,

888
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, all of his loves had been dying, um,

889
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: and he was starting to feel pretty pretty worried about

890
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: it himself. Well, of course, he just went back to

891
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: his very first love. Still. She was now a sixty

892
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: seven year old widow, and when he asked if he

893
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: could visit her, she welcomed him warmly. So heads up, Jillian,

894
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: I'll call you one day. One day when he's sixty seven.

895
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: The age gap means a lot less when you're right seven,

896
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: and he's like whatever. Now. It's not clear if these

897
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: two had a physical relationship, but he visited her for

898
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: three summers, and he wrote to her nearly every month

899
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. In eighteen sixty seven,

900
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: he learned that his own son, Louis, who had been

901
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: a naval captain, died of yellow fever in Havana, so

902
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: he tried to distract himself with work. He did a

903
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: series of concerts in Russia and the tour was a

904
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: huge success, both critically and financially, but it really sapped

905
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: what was left of his strength, and when he got

906
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: home to France visibly unwell, he passed away in eighteen

907
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: sixty nine. He was buried in montmart Cemetery with both

908
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: of his wives by his side, and one presumes right

909
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: around the corner from Amalie. Maybe so I wondered that too.

910
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 1: Chose it because it was like a way to honor

911
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: that connection as well. Yeah, if it's just where their

912
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: plot was available, I don't know, bury me with all

913
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: my bunnies except Camille except oh wow. So yeah, that's

914
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: the that's the crazy love life of Ector Burlio all

915
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah, I don't know. Would it feels

916
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: sorry for this guy or to think he's a lunatic?

917
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that was kind of his whole thing,

918
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: his whole life. Of people are like I don't know

919
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: whether to love you or hate you or what's going on? Crazy?

920
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Are you okay? I don't know. It's like trying to

921
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: murder suicide at one point. But then he's like a

922
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: really good husband. Even after he cheats on you and

923
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: runs off with a mistress, he's still real devoted, super strange.

924
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, but like they weren't very happy together right

925
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: that point, so it's almost like the only way he

926
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: could show is like she clearly didn't want him around. Yeah,

927
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's, you know, just to try and relate

928
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: to that about that success thing. Um, going back to

929
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: Harriet and talking about that, Um, you know how that

930
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: relationship started to tterior rate if she was seeing all

931
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: his success and uh and she her career was was floundering.

932
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: I got that. Um. I started to think about that

933
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: when we haven't been auditioning lately. We are, we're with actors,

934
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: but we have not been auditioning the last couple of years.

935
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: But what we we kind of shortly after our honeymoon,

936
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: we sort of doubled down on it, and we're getting

937
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: ready to audition more. And we started to go out

938
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: there a little bit, and I was getting some like

939
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: decent feedback, but not many parts, a couple of student

940
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: films and things, and Diana goes out and like immediately

941
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: everything she auditions for that she's cast, Like it was

942
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: happening way faster and more successfully for you. And I

943
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: was like, would I would I get mad if like

944
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: she ends up being a really successful actress and I'm

945
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever, hanging out and I mean, like, no,

946
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: that sounds fucking great, Like I would totally be a

947
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: house husband. If you were making a bank that sounds

948
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: awesome to me. But if you were doing it in

949
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: what I always wanted to do with my life, I

950
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: would definitely feel a little like, damn, wow, it's so

951
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: easy for her. I know. I think that was all

952
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: the same. And we talked about that with a couple

953
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: of acting teachers we had that are married, and uh,

954
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: I was like, do you get jealous when like why

955
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: do you book something and the other one has it

956
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: worked in a while? Like what's that? Like? Is it

957
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: hard at home? And um, at least the wife kat

958
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: diers name, she's a very good actress, awesome stranger things.

959
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: He's Jason McDonald, he's on TV. They run Drama Inc.

960
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: In Atlanta, a great place anyway, she was like, no,

961
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: it's all a win. We have to consider ourselves a unit.

962
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: Each win that we each have is a win for

963
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: both of us. And I was like, that's so healthy.

964
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I hope I can one day get my brain right.

965
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: And they have. They have so many wins between them

966
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, they're steady working. Welcome to Flatch.

967
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: Jas McDonald's new show that he's on, So check that

968
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: out on Hulu, and then I think prime it's The

969
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: Devil to Pay, which also has another local actress named

970
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Daniel dead Eiler in it, and she is amazing, so

971
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: good watch stuff. Anyway, that's our plug. Look, just listen

972
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: to us on everything we recommend and that's all you

973
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: need to do. Yeah, let us run your life for you,

974
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: and then go check out actor Berlioz's music while you're

975
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: at it. Support him. He's a great musician, local, too

976
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: local to earth, and he's got some cool stuff. He

977
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: really does. Yeah. I listened to him a lot while

978
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: I was researching this, of course, um, and I really

979
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed having him on in the background. It is very dramatic,

980
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: intensely dramatic stuff. You were saying that people have said

981
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: of his music that it was kind of like movie scores.

982
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah there were movies. Yeah, I totally get that because

983
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: I love movie scores to the point where I can't

984
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: this is uh, this is annoying about me. I'm so

985
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: anti spoiler that I remember. I remember when the Matrix

986
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: two was about to come out and my friend We're

987
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: driving around in his Toyota Corolla or whatever, and he

988
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: had like, you know, the six discs eat each ranger,

989
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: and he was like, I got the Matrix two soundtrack

990
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: and the movie wasn't going to come out for like

991
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: another week. We already had our tickets, and I was like,

992
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: don't play it. He's like, what are you talking about.

993
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to hear it. And

994
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: then I'm hearing it again during the movie and I'm like, oh,

995
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: something crazy's about to happen because I know the music

996
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: is about to change. That's just how my brain works.

997
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: It's terrible, but I love movie scores after I see

998
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: the movie, or if I'm never going to see the movie.

999
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: It's such a cool, like, uh, discipline a movie score. Yeah,

1000
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, you really have to get the mood right.

1001
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: A bad score will suck up a good movie, right,

1002
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: And you can't just let I mean, I've never composed

1003
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: a movie score, but my my assumption is you can't

1004
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: really let the music guide you because you're beholden to

1005
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: the cut of the scene as well. Right Like, if

1006
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: I think the music is supposed to do a certain

1007
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: thing here, but then you know Spider Man jumps off

1008
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: the building. Oh now it's got to do something different, different,

1009
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: which might be why people thought his compositions were so

1010
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: weird and erratic and stuff, that he was serving whatever

1011
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: story had going on in his mind that they didn't see,

1012
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And especially because they were

1013
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: mostly concerts. Again, there's not a lot of staging without

1014
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: the opera, So if you're just listening to the music,

1015
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, he's clearly got some real storytelling going on. Again,

1016
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: he's got he's doing Opium and go into a witches

1017
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: Sabbath and all this stuff. So he's like, I think

1018
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: he's seeing colorful pictures and the time that he's trying

1019
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: to express to you through music. And at the time,

1020
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: people were much more used to you serve the music.

1021
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: The melody goes this way, you you you uh, let

1022
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: that movement play out until you know the appropriate time

1023
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: to change it or something, and he didn't like really

1024
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: play by those rules. Yeah, I wonder. It makes me

1025
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: wonder there's probably like, um, I don't know psychologists and

1026
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: anthropologists who have who have answered this, but I wonder

1027
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: if back in the day, as your thinking of music

1028
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: and you're imagining the scenes, if he's sees it in

1029
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: his mind like a movie, like he's there like we do,

1030
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: because I imagine everything like a movie. I know different

1031
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: people have different minds I and how they perceive stuff,

1032
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: or if he envisions it as if he's sitting in

1033
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: an audience looking at a stage, you know, like when

1034
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: he's seeing this this which is Sabbath or whatever is

1035
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: he's seeing it like we would like a third person camera,

1036
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: as if he's really there looking through his own eyes

1037
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: and cutting between shots, or if he's imagining it like

1038
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a at a stage and two dimensions

1039
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: more or less he was playing at horizontally in front

1040
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: of me in one long take. I wonder how that worked.

1041
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: I feel like assume the second because that's what he

1042
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: was used to seeing, and opera and everything done like that.

1043
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if you can think and cuts before you've

1044
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: seen a cut but I guess you can because somebody

1045
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: thought of it, right, I mean, cuts come from a

1046
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: translation of our imagination, right maybe, So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I do think that's so interesting that some people see

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Speaker 1: pictures and some people see words. Oh my god, are

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Speaker 1: like And when you think, do you think in words

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Speaker 1: like complete sentences or is it more like vague like

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Speaker 1: again pictures, I guess, or just colored emotions or something like.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so interesting that we don't even think

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Speaker 1: the same way as each other. I think in vivid

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Speaker 1: visual detail, and my Inner Voice is a constantly running

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Speaker 1: podcast of like active conversation. And I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: necessarily better or worse than than any alternatives. But I

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Speaker 1: know some people, like friends of ours, who talked about like,

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Speaker 1: I don't see pictures in my head, um. Some people

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Speaker 1: say they see like literal words like typed words, um,

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Speaker 1: and some people so yeah, you know, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: just have the concepts and ideas without the actual you know,

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Speaker 1: image itself. And I think that's it's fascinating. I bet

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Speaker 1: there's some benefits to either one in terms of how

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Speaker 1: you can, um, you know, getting the image in my

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Speaker 1: mind out of it and onto paper or onto a

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Speaker 1: camera or whatever is hardest thing because it's so detailed

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Speaker 1: that it's frustrating sometimes. And I wonder if, like, if

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Speaker 1: you just thought in concepts, it might be easier to

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Speaker 1: pick up a camera and kind of get the general

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Speaker 1: idea of what you're thinking of without being so trapped

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Speaker 1: by the details. Yeah, I wondered if because I think

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Speaker 1: in words definitely and not many pictures. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: I hear them a lot. I know you do. And

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, I think it makes me

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Speaker 1: like I do have to talk to myself a lot.

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Speaker 1: I have to talk through I'm like, okay, well, what

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Speaker 1: would be the best way to do this because this

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Speaker 1: is at the other way is blah blah blah. And

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Speaker 1: it's like think saying it out loud helps me organize

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Speaker 1: it in a better way than just listening to myself

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Speaker 1: in my head. Um. But I wonder if you think

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Speaker 1: more in pictures, you don't need to do that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? I need a pensive to like

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Speaker 1: pull right, But all I want is a is a

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Speaker 1: dream projector you know, we're just like plugs into your

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Speaker 1: head and then whatever thoughts you're imagining are just boom

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Speaker 1: projected out of the wall. The things I would show

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Speaker 1: you all you have your minds blown? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: straight to horror listen. I don't know. Sometimes I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I would hate it for people to see you it's

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Speaker 1: this tide. Well, I definitely would want to censor button

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Speaker 1: some of the really dumb questions I've asked, or horrible

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Speaker 1: things I've thought, like, nobody needs to know about that,

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Speaker 1: We'll just keep that to ourselves. Well all that bit

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Speaker 1: of a tangent, but um, but that's where these stories

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Speaker 1: take us to new and exciting places. Just like actor BerliOS,

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Speaker 1: you never know what's going to come next in this

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Speaker 1: In this song we're composing called Ridiculous Romance this opera created.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I really enjoyed learning about actor BerliOS. I

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Speaker 1: had never heard of him before. I was a little

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Speaker 1: bit familiar with Symphony Fantastic. When I heard that, I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I definitely this has happened in

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Speaker 1: the background of my life at some point. Yeah. In fact,

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Speaker 1: by the way to hear more, Symphony FANTASTICQ is in

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Speaker 1: the Shining soundtrack. It was recently in Righteou Gemstones, and

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Speaker 1: apparently it's also in Star Trek first contact I saw,

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Speaker 1: but I couldn't tell you the score from it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's in a lot of stuff, so you've

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Speaker 1: you've probably heard it. Yeah, so check him out. I

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Speaker 1: really think his music was worth listening to and just

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Speaker 1: think about whatever movie comes to your mind. Imagine Harriet,

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Speaker 1: how dare you be successfully even though that's the only

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Speaker 1: reason I married you in the first place. For Harriet.

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Speaker 1: So thanks again to Mahi mans Half for this idea

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Speaker 1: to get into the world of composers. These romantic composers

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Speaker 1: all screwing each other, and it's funny to think of

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Speaker 1: them as like the rock stars of their day, and

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Speaker 1: it seems like they kind of were, you know, smashing

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Speaker 1: hotel rooms and doing it on top of the piano

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Speaker 1: and list was like the axl Rows of his time. Awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: please let us know what you thought of this episod.

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Speaker 1: Let us know how you perceive your imagination in your mind.

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Speaker 1: I would I love that conversation, So tell us if

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Speaker 1: you if you've got something interesting about it. We would

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Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Would love to read some

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Speaker 1: of your words out on the show, So shoot us

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Speaker 1: an email. You can reach us at ridic Romance at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com right or slide into the d m

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Speaker 1: s on social media. I'm on Twitter and Instagram at

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Speaker 1: do a little five star ratings. Super fun stuff helps

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Speaker 1: us out and we love hearing from you, so uh.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy yourselves and we will catch you next week on

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Speaker 1: the next episode. Cannot wait? Take care? How ye? So

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Speaker 1: long friends, It's time to go. Thanks so listening to

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Speaker 1: our show. Tell your friends name's uncle's indes to listen

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