1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 3: But why don't we go back to the NFL and 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: let's go to Eric Mangini, former Jets head coach. He's 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: all over TV at f S Wood, always really looking sharp, 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: although I'm sure he's wearing shorts in this Eric, How was. 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 4: Your fourth of July excellent or awesome? 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 5: Or how are we doing? 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 6: It was fourth of July. It was fantastic, had a 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 6: bunch of family in town. I had all the boys 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 6: at home and great Weather where I was as well, 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 6: So couldn't couldn't have asked for more. 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 5: A peak behind the curtain. 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: So when I got to f S one, Eric man 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: Genie started coming on the shows, and I'm sure he 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: was annoyed, but I would pester him because I'm a 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: Jets fan. 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 5: I would just pepper him with all these Jets questions. 24 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: And he's really smart and thoughtful, and he would look 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: at me like, what is this guy's agenda? 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 5: But all I want to know about is my jets. 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: So you know you had Brian Schottenheimer as your offensive coordinator. Now, 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: my memories of him were probably not as great as yours. 29 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: I remember him being ultra conservative and boring, no creativity, 30 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: and that I thought held. 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 5: You guys back a little. 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: But he's now the coach of the Cowboys, and I'm 33 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: curious your thoughts on Brian Schottennhimer. 34 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: Is he almost underrated? 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 7: Yeah? 36 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 6: When the Cowboys hired him, it wasn't the typical Cowboys 37 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 6: higher right. 38 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 7: They want to get the splashy name, and. 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 6: Very different offseason for Dallas in general where they're not 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 6: over promising like they typically do. So there's a lot 41 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 6: of a lot of negativity around picking Brian. But what 42 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 6: people don't realize is Brian has as quality as any 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 6: other first year head coach. He's been in the league 44 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 6: a long time. He comes from a football family. When 45 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 6: I hired him, he was with the San Diego Chargers 46 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 6: at the time, and we had played the Charges of 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 6: the year before in New England and their offense was 48 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 6: really difficult to defend. There's shifting and motioning, multiple formations, 49 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 6: very creative and that's something that I wanted to bring 50 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 6: to the Jets, But there were other things that we 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 6: wanted to incorporate as well, And in sitting down with Brian, 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 6: he had strong beliefs as to what he wanted to do, 53 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 6: but he was open minded enough to incorporate a lot 54 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 6: of other things. Son, we were gonna take elements from 55 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 6: what we did in New England. We were gonna take 56 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: elements from what they did in New York prior to 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 6: us getting there and what they'd done with the Charges 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 6: as well, and build our offense. And that's what I 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 6: really like about Brian is that he is he has conviction, 60 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 6: but he's also willing to hear people out and to 61 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 6: incorporate new ideas and to try to innovate, And to me, 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 6: that's an undervalued asset for any head coach. 63 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 64 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 3: A little question though is and you can't put a 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: number on this, but there's some strong personalities on that team. 66 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: Adding Pickens obviously to Ceedee Lamb and then Michael Parsons. 67 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 5: And his podcast. 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: There's just a lot going on in Dallas and I 69 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: wonder for a first time a head coach. 70 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 5: I know his dad. 71 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: You know he's been around the league for a long time. 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: His dad obviously coach forever. Is that a lot to handle? 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: This is a like it would be much easier. Schottenheimer's 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: first coaching job was in like Jacksonville, Out of the spotlight. 75 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: Now you've got strong players, strong. 76 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: Owner, a lot of National TV games, America's team for 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: whoever still believes that it just feels like a little 78 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: too much for shoddy Well. 79 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 6: Anytime you bring in challenging personalities, you're gonna have to 80 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 6: navigate through that. Brian's always done a good job relating 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 6: to the players that that he's coached, especially the quarterbacks. 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 6: He's built long term relationships with all the guys that 83 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 6: he's coached at the quarterback position, and now you have 84 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 6: to expand that out. He did it as well as 85 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 6: an offensive coordinator, but now it's the whole team. Another 86 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 6: thing that's going overlooked is the addition of Matt Eberflus. 87 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 6: And you can say what you want about him as 88 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 6: a head coach, but he's an excellent defensive coordinator and 89 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 6: when he took over, when he took back over in Chicago, 90 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 6: the defense made some significant strides. I think he's going 91 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 6: to be excellent there really as a defensive coordinator. I 92 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 6: think the other thing is he does bring head coaching experience. 93 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 6: He's fresh out of it, he's he's made mistakes, he's 94 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 6: he's gone through different challenges, and him and Brian have 95 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 6: a good relationship and that has significant value as well. 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: All right, let's pivot to a team that really matters 97 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: this season, the Jets. 98 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 5: Well, not really, it don't matter. I just for my purposes, 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 5: Justin feels. 100 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: Aquarterback, new offensive coordinator, new head coach, first time head coach, 101 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: and Aaron Glenn. There's so much newness across the board. However, 102 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: last year Washington had a ton of newness owner coach, coordinators, 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: but they had experienced guys like you know, obviously Quinn 104 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 3: had had been to a Super Bowl. Like I just 105 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: don't see the Jets being great this year. But is 106 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: there a case for Justin Fields to dominate and crush it? 107 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 7: Well? I'm a big Aaron Glenn fan. 108 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 6: I coached Aaron Glenn when I was in New York 109 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 6: with Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, so I know what 110 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 6: type of guy he is. And Aaron has gone through 111 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 6: the process. He started as a scout and then he 112 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 6: worked in personnel and he was an assistant coach coordinator, 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 6: so I think that that has a huge value. Plus 114 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 6: he was an exceptional player, so he brings that cache. 115 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 6: He's been with the organization, so that that higher I 116 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 6: thought was great. But he is inexperienced as a head coach, 117 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 6: and there's a lot of guys on a staff that 118 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 6: are in experienced as well. And then then that could 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 6: work both ways. That some bit is you're going to 120 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 6: make mistakes that maybe you wouldn't if you had had 121 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 6: gone through it, but there's also some freshness of ideas 122 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 6: that you you're not set in your way, so that 123 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 6: can be valuable as well. In terms of justin fields. 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 6: I like the signing in the sense that they've paid 125 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 6: what forty million dollars for two years, which is under 126 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 6: what most significantly under what most quarterbacks are getting for 127 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 6: one and he's improved every year that he's played. And 128 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 6: it hasn't been these gigantic jumps, but he's made he's 129 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 6: made jumps and completion percentage and interception of touchdown ratio 130 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 6: into the amount of sex that he's taken. 131 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 7: That you've seen, You've seen real progress. 132 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 6: And this is kind of the anti Jets experience, right, 133 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 6: So Jets quarterbacks go other places and hit, and now 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 6: the Jets are trying to take someone's quarterback that didn't 135 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 6: hit and turn him into a star. So maybe the 136 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 6: reverse engineering it will work great for New York. 137 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: I love the optimism. 138 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: All right, Let's quickly pivot here to Brett Zeitch, the 139 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: big boss at the Chiefs, you know, talking about Travis 140 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: Kelcey and essentially. 141 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 5: Was like, this might be it, like this could be 142 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 5: a Swan song. I don't know. 143 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: We're not taking it out of context. It's part of 144 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: a larger quote, but like it's an actual quote about 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: his fading if you will, thirty five soon to be 146 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: thirty six year old tight end. But we had Albert 147 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: Brewer come on earlier coach and essentially say, hey, the 148 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: Chief's offense could be better with the wide receivers healthy. 149 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: They might not need Kelsey to do that much. 150 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 5: Your thoughts on the Chiefs and. 151 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 6: Kelsey, Well, we dinged Kelsey for his season last year, 152 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 6: but he still had a great season where you have 153 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 6: ninety six catches that the touchdownds were down more than 154 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 6: who you would have liked. But what I didn't love 155 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 6: about Kelsey's off season last year was he was in 156 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 6: the new relationship with the most famous singer performer world. 157 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 7: So there's that component of it. 158 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 6: And I don't begrudge anybody from experiencing all the can experience. 159 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 6: But he was traveling a lot, he was doing things. 160 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 6: A lot of things collected are associated with that. And 161 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 6: then he had the TV show, he had the game show, 162 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 6: he had the podcast. 163 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 7: He was extremely active. 164 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 6: And this is after back to back shortened off seasons 165 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 6: because they had gone so deep with the Super Bowl appearances. 166 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 6: It's a lot, It's a lot, and I love that 167 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 6: this offseason he's been very low key. It seems like 168 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 6: he's taken a step back. He's gotten some time for 169 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 6: himself to recalibrate, and it does get harder as you 170 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 6: get older. But his approach this offseason I think has 171 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 6: been very different and will help him significantly. And you 172 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 6: could kill him for his production last year, but his 173 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 6: production last year was pretty good, you know, compared to 174 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 6: his peer group. 175 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: Compared to his peer group, yes, but like a couple 176 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 3: of years prior to that, he was. 177 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 5: Like totally dominant unstoppable. 178 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: I like, you must have been hanging around your kids 179 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: a lot, because you just used low key and that 180 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: was like the buzzword for us. 181 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 5: You know, I was gonna say. 182 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey is low key washed, but that might be 183 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 3: a little bit harsh, but. 184 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 5: It sounds like you. You you know, that's a good point. 185 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: About his off seasons have been kind of sort of busy. 186 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: I forgot he hosted a game show. 187 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 7: He did everything last year. 188 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 6: It was commercials, there was travel, it was the high 189 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 6: profile relationship, it was the game show was remember the 190 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 6: I thought it was great, and the TV show it 191 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 6: was a grotesquery. I thought he did a great job 192 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 6: with that as well. Like you can, he was setting 193 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 6: himself for life after football, setting himself up after football, 194 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 6: and then I imagine as he went through last season 195 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 6: and the season ended the way that it did, now 196 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 6: he's not ready for life after football and he wants 197 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 6: to go run it back. And I'm sure it's year 198 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 6: to year now, but I dialed in focused. Travis Kelsey 199 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 6: is a dangerous study defense. 200 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 3: That's a great take because it reminds me of what 201 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield was with the Browns and led the NFL 202 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: and commercials and he just didn't really produce. 203 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 5: You you may be familiar with that era. 204 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 7: I look, I loved his commercials. I thought they were fantastic. 205 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 6: He actually really funny, but it didn't you know, it 206 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 6: didn't help him on the field. 207 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 7: At that point. 208 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, Eric Mangini breakfast Ball every show 209 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: at FS. 210 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 5: One very thoughtful former head coach. 211 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe Glenn will bring you into training 212 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 3: camp to talk to the guys. 213 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: Sounds like you guys are friendly still. 214 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 6: I talked to Aaron not too long ago, and you know, 215 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 6: I haven't been back to Jets World and quite some time, 216 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 6: but I'm definitely sharing sharing for him. There's a lot 217 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 6: of former players now with Rabel at New England. I'm 218 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 6: excited for both those guys and I'm excited to see 219 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 6: what how they impact their programs and knowing their personality 220 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 6: and watching their stories. 221 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Glenn's handled to New York media 222 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: well so far. So that's another one of your guys. 223 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: You got people everywhere. All right, Eric, thanks a lot, 224 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: enjoy the summer. We'll talk to you soon, all right, awesome, 225 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: talk to you soon. Yeah, Eric Manjee, that's a good take, Alex. 226 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: It's about Travis. I totally forgot. He's pulled a million 227 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: different ways of the podcast and the TV show and 228 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: all this stuff. 229 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 5: Taylor Swift. All right. 230 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: So coming up next, The Herd is moving to the 231 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: Fox Sports App. We'll have Adam Chernoff on gambling Guru 232 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: made everybody including myself money last year. He's calling for 233 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: a Bills Rams Super Bowl. We'll talk a lot of 234 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: other prop. 235 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 5: Bets and stuff. Coming up next on. 236 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: FS one the Women's Euro twenty twenty five Norway versus Iceland. 237 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 5: We'll see you on the app. 238 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 239 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: and newone Easter non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 240 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: FS one and the Radio app. 241 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 8: Hey what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler 242 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 8: LeVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce 243 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 8: a podcast called Up on Game? 244 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 9: What is Up on Game? 245 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 8: You ass along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Huschman 246 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 8: Zada and Super Bowl champion Yup. That's right, Plexico Birds. 247 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 8: You can only name a show with that type of 248 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 8: talent on it. Up on Game We're going to be 249 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 8: sharing our real life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen 250 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 8: to Up on Game with me LeVar Arrington, TJ. Huschman 251 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 8: Zada and Plexico. 252 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 10: Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 253 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 10: get your podcast from. 254 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: Good stuff from the Eric Mangini. Let's go to Alex 255 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: Curry with the news. 256 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 9: No, no, no, this is the headline news. 257 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 4: Well j mac NBA tipped off their summer late. Oh 258 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: yes in Vegas, but all eyes will be on tonight's 259 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: matchup between the Mouns and Lakers, the Cooper Flag making 260 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 4: his debut against Ronnie James. Ticket prices are nearing record 261 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 4: prices for tonight, with the average ticket going for two 262 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty three dollars, which is just shy of 263 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 4: Wendy's Summer League debut at two hundred and ninety seven dollars. 264 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 4: But Cooper Flag is a real deal. He's a new 265 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: face of the franchise. I was extremely impressed when I 266 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: got to interview him when he was out here after 267 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 4: his college football season accepting his Wooden Award. I mean, 268 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 4: this kid eat, sleeps, breathes basketball. It's in his DNA. 269 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 4: Both of his parents played basketball. Is when brother plays 270 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: basketball He's older sibling plays basketball, and he told me 271 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 4: because I asked, like, are you going to take a 272 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 4: little break? What are you doing before the draft? So 273 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 4: this was pre draft. 274 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 5: He's like, well, I want to. 275 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: Keep practicing, and he's like, but my agent and my 276 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 4: family are forcing me to take a break. So this 277 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 4: is a kid that all he wants to do is 278 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: be the best that he can be get better every 279 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 4: single day. We heard it in his draft press conference 280 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: when he said, I just want to be a sponge 281 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 4: and soak everything up and be better. But this is 282 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 4: going to be an interesting and obviously it's going to 283 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: be a lot of eyeballs on this matchup tonight. Brownie 284 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: should be better because he has an NBA season under 285 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 4: his belt and he's played in NBA games. But what 286 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: are you expecting? 287 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: But I'm expecting us to leave the show tomorrow and 288 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: coo are I think? Giovann Bouha was on earlier and said, yeah, 289 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: twenty points seems realistic. 290 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 5: I just want to see that he's dominant right out 291 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 5: of the game. Should be able to be dominant. 292 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: You never can read too much into summer league, right, No, 293 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: you don't want to overreact, but you do want to 294 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: see your number one overall pick who I said is 295 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: going to move more than one MVP, who I've compared 296 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: to Kevin Garnett. 297 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 5: I want to see him from the paint. 298 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: Well, listen, Kevin Garnett didn't wasn't blowing away people in 299 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: Summer League. Yeah, but I think he can. 300 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 5: So I would go for anything short of twenty and 301 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 5: ten would be a little bit of a disappointment. 302 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, but Cooper Flag has been blowing people 303 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: away since high school. He's breaking records in high school 304 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 4: is one year at dude, like it? But anything he's 305 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: going to do it, I don't think it. 306 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: I mean he's worked the last Okay, so when he's 307 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: like eleven years old, he's probably like, I'm going to 308 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: the NBA. Yeah that's what I was saying. Yeah, okay, 309 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: I had no chance. Yeah, Cooper Flag had a chance. 310 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: So for like seven years he's worked up to this moment. 311 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 5: Huh now he's here. Yeah, probably some butterflies. 312 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: He is so calm, cool and collected, Like when you 313 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: talk to this kid, like it's just this is what 314 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be doing, and this is what I'm doing, 315 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 4: and here I am and I'm gonna do the best 316 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: that I can. 317 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: Ask for the brawny angle. I just want to see 318 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: improvement all around game. You know again, I said, can 319 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: he be TJ McConnell ish next year for the Lakers? 320 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 5: Maybe a stretch, but I think that's what he should 321 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: aim for. Like, look at this guy. 322 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: He's looked okay at moments he's in the Summer League. 323 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: Better, he's looked better. And I think people like all 324 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: need to remember before his rookie season he had cardiac 325 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 4: yeah in college, Like he was also fighting back from 326 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: a huge adversity. And he is another great athlete who 327 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: is obviously his dad is one of the greatest of 328 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: all time. So you're training with the best of the best. 329 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: But for Brownie this should be a big improvement. He 330 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: has NBA games under his belt, so he should be better. 331 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: Five o'clock, five o'clock pacifics eight Eastern. 332 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: Yes, feel arms all right to the NFL. 333 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 7: Well. 334 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 4: Pete Carroll will take over the Raiders this offseason and 335 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: as looking to create a new culture in Las Vegas. 336 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: Face of the Raiders, Brosby says that it's not fake 337 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: energy from his new coach, adding things just feel different 338 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: in the building, which they should. Pete Carroll is a 339 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: culture creator and that's exactly what the Raiders need. That's 340 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: while they that's why they hired him. They have a 341 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: lot of new obviously this year with Pete Carroll. They 342 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 4: hired Chip Kelly as their offensive coordinator. Trader for Gina 343 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 4: Smith drafted Ashton gent. Now do I think the the 344 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: Raiders are going to win the division? No, like they 345 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 4: have Chiefs, Chargers and Broncos in that division. But I 346 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: do think that they're going to be better this year. 347 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: You I'm focusing on that not fake energy line? What 348 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: do you think this is a dig at the last 349 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: coach the line Piers. Piers came on and was like 350 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: very raw raw. 351 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 5: You know he's a former player. No, I wonder if No. 352 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: I think just because with heat there there comes a 353 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 4: lot with it. Obviously, like when he was at SC 354 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: you would have celebrities right this Like he's won at 355 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: every level and he knows what it takes to win. 356 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 5: So we're saying it's not fake. He is. 357 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 4: He is the real deal, is how I'm reading it 358 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 4: to that. 359 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: Oh, one of the producers not, I can't take credit 360 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: for this. That smart Josh McDaniels was a coach before Piers. 361 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 5: Okay, is the fake. 362 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 3: Energy of jem Now mcdannel's have been a guest on here. 363 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: He seems like a nice I I. 364 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 5: Would love to drill down. 365 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 3: Max Crosby not a fan of my work because I 366 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: didn't have it, like a top five defensive end and 367 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: all these fans. 368 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 5: I made a comment on the show. I was like, Max, 369 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 5: come on, dog, jeez, I can't blame them, though. 370 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: You got to believe in yourself, so you got to 371 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 4: call out people who also don't. 372 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 5: I didn't think he was a top five pass rush 373 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 5: in the league. Like, it's not bad if you're number six. 374 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: It's like what I call Michael Jordan the second greatest 375 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: player of all time? 376 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: Oh my god, Jason, you're crazy. 377 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, he's the second greatest player ever in the 378 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 3: history of basketball. 379 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, let'st freakout. 380 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: Okay, let's move to baseball. We're Despite having the best 381 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: record in the National League, the Dodgers have been struggling 382 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: as of late, getting swept in back to back series 383 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 4: to the Astros and the Brewers dropping their sixth straight 384 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: game over the span. LA has struggled on all cylinders. 385 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 4: With a minus thirty four run differential, which is their 386 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 4: worst over a six game set since nineteen fifty eight. 387 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 5: And what I have to. 388 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: Say here to fans, baseball fans, Dodger fans, we're in 389 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 4: the dog days of summer. This is what happens in 390 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 4: a baseball season. When you play one hundred and sixty 391 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: two games, you are going to have ups and downs. 392 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 4: This is the time if you are going to have 393 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 4: a down, to do it because you're about to head 394 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 4: on the All Star breaks. So guys are about to 395 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 4: get a nice little reset and refresh. They do have 396 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: some good news. The good news is Tyler glassnow returned 397 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 4: yesterday he looked good. Blake Snell and Blake Triton are 398 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 4: nearing a return started their rehab assignments. Kershaw is overperforming. 399 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 4: He made history joining the three thousand strikeout club. And 400 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 4: then you have Otani who is ahead of schedule. There 401 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 4: is some bad news with the Dodgers. The bullpen is 402 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 4: getting taxed. Max Munsey is out until about August. But 403 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 4: also it's a bone brus on his knee, which was 404 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 4: best case scenario compared to possible. Everyone thought it might 405 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 4: have been an acl or something like that so MRI 406 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 4: showed no structural damage, so best case scenario there, and 407 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: then rope piece ofsaki also has no official return date. 408 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 4: The Dodgers have a lot of moving pieces. I wouldn't 409 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 4: look too much into this. This is a completely normal 410 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: baseball slump and actually happening at a good time, right 411 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 4: when guys can go take a break and reset. 412 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: So I'm looking at the run differential that on the screen. 413 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 3: It says outscore by thirty four runs significant. So before that, 414 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 3: the Dodgers were almost a one hundred run differential. Right, 415 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 3: the Cubs are number one by a mile. 416 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: But all of a sudden, are they still the best 417 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: record of baseball? 418 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 7: They do? 419 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 5: They do? That's the thing. The record is top. 420 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: It's just a little little six games start. Six games 421 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: is the equivalent of what like maybe a half a 422 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: bad NFL half a football like one game one half 423 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: of one game week. 424 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: So if you play one hundred and sixty two games. 425 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 5: I'm divided by self. Do the math. It's early, don't 426 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 5: basically play. The Chiefs are down twenty one nothing. 427 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 4: At a half time, maybe a quarter I. 428 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: Think it's close to maybe a quarterback either way. Yeah, 429 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: like you said, this is nothing that big Alex with 430 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: the news. 431 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd. 432 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 7: I knew. All right. 433 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: We'll tell you which NFL bets you need to make 434 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: next on the show with an insider, and which bets 435 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: to avoid as well. That's next year on the Herd. 436 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 437 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: and neon Easter nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 438 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 439 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 5: Back here on The Herd. 440 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowhert. So several years ago, 441 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: I forget where I was and I heard this guy 442 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: speak about gambling, and I was like, dude, he's next level, 443 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 3: Like I mean, this is his laser focus. 444 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 5: So let's bring on Adam. 445 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: Turnoff NFL gambling analyst. He's taking the leap. He hosts 446 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: a simple handicapped podcast. He's also taking the leap. He's 447 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: trying to go about this by himself or a men 448 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: among boys in the gambling space. All Right, Adam, last 449 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 3: time you were on the show, you killed me from 450 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: my Minnesota Vikings take. So I don't know if I 451 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 3: could bounce back from that one. You do not love 452 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: the vikings like I do, but I do want to 453 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: do some NFL win totals. Have you really circled anything 454 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: on the board here? A lot of folks are going 455 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: to be heading to Vegas in the summer months, and I 456 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: want to put some season long bets on the board. 457 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 5: What do you got? 458 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 11: Yeah, so you didn't really give me any easy layups 459 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 11: to go with this week because you didn't really have 460 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 11: any crazy hot takes like your JJ McCarthy one. So 461 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 11: we'll try give some some other directions here for folks 462 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 11: to go and maybe throw some criticism at me instead 463 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 11: of you. So let's go some season long futures. I'll 464 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 11: give you three, Let's start with one, and I'll judge 465 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 11: your outrage as we go here. Trevor Lawrence to lead 466 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 11: the league in touchdowns, you can bet that at twenty 467 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 11: eight to one. And there's a few things here that 468 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 11: lead me to believe this is going to be Trevor 469 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 11: Lawrence's best career season. 470 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 9: In his career. 471 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 11: So, he's been dealing with Doug Peterson giving up play 472 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 11: calling duties. He's been dealing with an offense that's been 473 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 11: very disjointed. He's had the highest drop rate of any 474 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 11: quarterback the last three seasons combined, so it's not like 475 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 11: he hasn't been moving the football efficiently, and this year 476 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 11: to me, is just a big reset for him. He 477 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 11: gets Liam Cohen coming in, and the big thing Cohen's 478 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 11: going to do is introduce a very creative run game 479 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 11: that's going to take a lot of pressure off of him. 480 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 11: It's got a bona fide superstar wide receiver and Robinson 481 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 11: if he can find the number two and some help, 482 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 11: I think it's a very big year for Trevor Lawrence. 483 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 11: So twenty eight to one, it's probably pretty high in 484 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 11: the outrage of ameter, but maybe we can go a 485 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 11: little bit more with these other two. 486 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: Well I'm curious, so is the defense that bad that 487 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: they're going to be playing catch up a lot, because 488 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 3: you know, it seems like Cohen's a run first guy, run. 489 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 5: To set up the pass. 490 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: In Tampa, he had the three running backs who absolutely 491 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 3: crushed it. 492 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 9: Yeah it was. 493 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 11: And you look at Baker Mayfield's numbers and they absolutely 494 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 11: exploded last year for over forty five hundred yards. And 495 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 11: I think it's going to be a case of the 496 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 11: Jags being in a lot of competitive games because the 497 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 11: defense still has a long way to go. It's tough 498 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 11: to be worse than last year, but it'll be a 499 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 11: step forward. And if that run game is alleviating some 500 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 11: of the pressure and opening up some space, I think 501 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 11: not only is that going to help Lawrence find some 502 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 11: more open receivers, but it's also going to allow the 503 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 11: offense to take a big step forward too. So it's 504 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 11: a combo of both very friendly schedule, a lot of 505 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 11: indoor road games as well. There's four of them, So 506 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 11: just a lot of positive signs here and a big 507 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 11: price for Trevor Lawrence to have a big breakout year. 508 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 3: Well I like that because everybody crushed him for that contract. 509 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: Oh he's not worth it, Like, let's settle down. Your 510 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: next one involves Roma Dunza. Really the Chicago Bears. Oh 511 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: my gosh, it's crazy. 512 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 11: He's going to be the best wide receiver for the 513 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 11: Bears from a stats perspective, from a performance perspective. Personnel 514 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 11: guy within the league who I trust a ton when 515 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 11: it comes to player evaluation. I was talking with him 516 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 11: and I said, like, who's the breakout guy who's going 517 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 11: to stand out this year? And really, without hesitation, he said, 518 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 11: Roma Dunes is going to take a big leap last year. 519 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 11: You think about what the Bears went through, three different 520 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 11: play callers, a rookie QB coming in to try to 521 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 11: find this rookie wide receiver. It was just there was 522 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 11: so many moving parts, so much throwing at Williams and 523 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 11: this offense that's all entirely reset. Ben Johnson, one of 524 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 11: the best player callers in the NFL, is already holding 525 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 11: both Williams and a Dunza, as well as the entire 526 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 11: offense to a really high standard. There's a rebuilt offensive line. 527 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 11: I think it's a massive year for a Duneza. So 528 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 11: one thousand plus receiving yards for Rome is available at 529 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 11: plus one seventy five. 530 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 9: I think that's a great bet to make. I think 531 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 9: he goes over that. 532 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 11: If you're a fantasy player, he's definitely a guy you 533 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 11: want to circle as well. 534 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 9: This is a big year upcoming for Rome. 535 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 11: A Dunza maybe starts a little bit slow as that 536 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 11: offense finds its footing, but lots of opportunity for him 537 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 11: to catch a ton of passes. 538 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: Did I hear you correctly? He's the best receiver. You 539 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: think he's better than DJ Moore right now? I think 540 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: he will be the Bears wide receiver number one this year. Yes, spicy, 541 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: all right, your final one involves a guy we talked 542 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: about earlier, Jared Goff. Listen, we're not bullish on the 543 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: Lions in these waters. Sounds like you're not either. 544 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 11: Yeah, I have win totals under on the Lions were 545 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 11: one of the first bets I made this spring when 546 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 11: all those numbers were posted. And I think about Jared 547 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 11: Goff and the support that he's received really the last 548 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 11: decade after his first year with Jeff Fisher leading that 549 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 11: Rams team, He's had Sean McVay in his ear for 550 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 11: several seasons, and then he had Ben Johnson in his 551 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 11: ear for several seasons in the transition to Detroit. You're 552 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 11: talking about a quarterback who has a very storied history 553 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 11: of needing help pre snap, lots of documented analysis commentary 554 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 11: about how much help he receives pre snap before that 555 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 11: communication cuts off with fifteen seconds to go, and he's 556 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 11: had two of the best in the business guiding him 557 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 11: through not only play calling, but reading it the line 558 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 11: of scrimmage, setting up plays. I know the Lions still 559 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 11: have a ton of pieces, but this is really a 560 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 11: big departure from having an elite play caller alongside of him, 561 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 11: a lot of brain power to replace for this Lion's 562 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 11: coaching staff. I think when you're looking at his passing 563 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 11: yards total, it's three eight hundred and seventy five and 564 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 11: a half yards. 565 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 9: I would happily go under that. 566 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 11: If you're still seeing that price again, have Lions win 567 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 11: totals under at ten and a half as well. 568 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: We must were contractually obligated to talk Kansas City Chiefs 569 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: because of Taylor Swift. 570 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes blah blah blah always. 571 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: I don't know, is it crazy to do one of 572 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: these missed the bet playoffs on the Chiefs. You could 573 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: say yes, I don't mind, because Albert Breer came on 574 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 3: earlier and said, listen, this offense, if the wide receivers 575 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 3: are healthy, could be better than last year, and they 576 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: had Pacheco kind of banged up last year. I don't 577 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: personally see it, but there's a I mean, hell, anything's possible. 578 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 11: Right Well, this is the first year in what three 579 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 11: or four that the Chiefs have gone into a season 580 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 11: with returning wide receivers. And I was just reading something 581 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 11: that came out of training sessions that the Chiefs had 582 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 11: a couple of days ago, and Patrick Mahomes was talking 583 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 11: about how this is not learning the playbook, This is 584 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 11: not relying on rookies this season to come in and 585 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 11: learn formations and learn snapcounts and learn cadence and learn 586 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 11: where to line up. They're talking about guys in the 587 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 11: huddle between the three wide receivers angry at each other 588 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 11: because they want to be the one that's featured catching 589 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 11: these passes in practice because everybody knows where to go 590 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 11: and knows where to line up, and everything is familiar. 591 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 11: So this season, in this offseason so far, has been 592 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 11: about expanding the playbook and expanding roles, which is very 593 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 11: different than the last It seems like a very long time. 594 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 11: We've talked about the Chiefs every season, who's going to 595 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 11: be the number one? How are they going to get 596 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 11: these young guys involved. That's not the case this year. 597 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 11: So I don't know how anybody can comfortably have lower 598 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 11: expectations on the Chiefs this year, especially the offense. I 599 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 11: think there's a very high ceiling with Mahomes and all 600 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 11: these guys returning to again, like Mahomes said the other day, 601 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 11: expand on the playbook and improve, so I wouldn't be 602 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 11: betting on them to miss the playoffs. I think that's 603 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 11: just offseason hyperbole that we see a ton every single year. 604 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 11: I think the Chiefs offense can be pretty scary. 605 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 5: This interesting Chiefs fans will love to hear that. I 606 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 5: mean more Kansas City Chiefs, Adam. That's what we did. 607 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 5: Are we got a minute left? 608 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: I will wrap up with a Jets question because you 609 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: are somehow a Jets fan, mister Canada Jets fan. I'm 610 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: not bullish on this year. I'm actually thinking if they 611 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: bought them out, it's a good quarterback class. Supposedly next year, 612 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. I get five six wins is not 613 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: the end of the world. We have made the playoffs 614 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: in forever. What's the rush now? Your thought on the 615 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: Jets macro big picture this year. 616 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 11: I think it's a great reset year. I'm happy that 617 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 11: we've seen Glenn take the approach that everything just needs 618 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 11: to be quiet this offseason. I think the roster still 619 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 11: has a lot of very good pieces that could make 620 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 11: them a very sneaky bet week to week, especially early 621 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 11: in the season. But yeah, like you said, I think 622 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 11: if they get out of this with six wins a 623 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 11: high draft pick next year, they're able to stabilize this 624 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 11: new coaching staff. It's a step in the right direction. 625 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 11: Anything more than that would be a very pleasant surprise 626 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 11: for me personally. But I think they're probably a sneaky 627 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 11: week to week underdog to be backing early on in 628 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 11: the season. 629 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 3: And so wait a minute, I'm sorry, you will be 630 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: betting the Jets week to week? 631 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 5: Or is that. 632 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 11: Maybe they're gonna They're going to have inflated point spreads 633 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 11: and there's still again a lot of talent on this team. 634 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: Huh. 635 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 11: You're giving me some bigger numbers against some some hyped 636 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 11: up competition. 637 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 9: I think they're going to be a pretty good bet early. 638 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 5: No, I think they will pull the Steelers. 639 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 11: Now I'm saying they're going to go and win and 640 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 11: shock the world, but they're going to be more competitive 641 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 11: than I think people think. 642 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: The opener against the Steelers at two and a half 643 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: or three, are you looking the Jets there? 644 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 9: I am ill. 645 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 11: We'll see what that number gets to you with some 646 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 11: Steelers hype, but absolutely. 647 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 5: Oh okay, all right, Adam turnoff. 648 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: You got to listen to his podcast, The Simple Handicap 649 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: it's great on gambling, Adam, good stuff. We'll talk to 650 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: you probably in August, right before the season when your 651 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: thoughts are crystallized and the and the bets are all 652 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: over the board. 653 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 11: Thanks man, awesome, looking forward to it and joy the 654 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 11: rest of the summer. 655 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: All right too, Adam turn Off, really good stuff. Boy, 656 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: I just got a little excited there. Alan to mean 657 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 3: he's gonna be betting jets. 658 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 5: Week to week. 659 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 4: They Yeah, you've tempered your expectations on them out. I 660 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 4: will give you that you've done a great job of 661 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: not getting over excited. I think as you did with Rogers, 662 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: got let down. But he's right, like there is a 663 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 4: lot of good news. 664 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 5: It's like when you get hyped for like a date. 665 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 5: You're like, oh. 666 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, little excitations, and then you get excited under. 667 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 5: Promise over to look. 668 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: Yes, that's distract really people, I'm just going out your teaching, 669 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: all right, good show, thanks to Mangenie churn Off, Albert Rereer, Boha. 670 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: Can the Lakers go out and get Bradley Beal please 671 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 3: just do it. 672 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: Come on,