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Goodbye, friend, keep the faith 20 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece after three years and two trials, 21 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: twenty three year old former football player Brandon Vandenberg convicted 22 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: on multiple counts of aggravated rape and sexual battery, now 23 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: facing a sentence of fifteen to twenty five years. The 24 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: former athlete and three of his teammates were accused of 25 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: sexually assaulting a fellow student in a college dorm room 26 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: after a night of drinking. Surveillance video showing the men 27 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: carrying the unconscious victim into the building, waking up in 28 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: an unfamiliar room at the next morning. Well, Vandenberg didn't 29 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: physically assault her. He was convicted of facilitating and encouraging 30 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: the entire thing. Wow, you're hearing our friend Maria Chavou 31 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: camp Campo at ABC. They're calling it a scandal. I 32 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: call it a felony. You know what's interesting about the 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: college rape scandal. That's certainly putting perfume on a pig. 34 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: What an ephemism? Did you know? Look around? I'm looking 35 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: around the studio. I look around when I'm in the car. 36 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: I look around when I'm at church, I look around 37 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: when I'm at the children's school. Did you know that 38 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: one out of every four women and look around have 39 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: been sex assaulted. Man, I learned the hard way in court. 40 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Very few of these women ever come forward. You'd be 41 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: very surprised at all the women that have been assaulted 42 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: that never say a word. Joining me right now on 43 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: the Ohio and the Utah and so any other rape scandals. 44 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: An all star panel to break it down and put 45 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: it back together again with me. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 46 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can find her at Wendy 47 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Patrick PhD dot com. James Shelnutt twenty seven years major 48 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Metrocase Division SWAT officer, now lawyer. Karen Smith joining me, 49 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: California forensics expert, lecturer, University Florida and host of Shattered 50 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: Souls podcast. Also with me. Karen Start in York psychologist 51 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: joining us out of Manhattan today. You can find her 52 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: at Karen start dot com. That's Karen with us. See 53 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: but right now, let's go out to Crime Online dot 54 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Com investigator reporter Levi Page. Ps I mean, see, Grace, 55 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 56 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, Levi Page. Did you hear that stat about 57 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: one out of every four women when you look around 58 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: have been sex assault? Do you have a mother, right, LEVI, yes, 59 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: I do. Do you have a sister or a cousin 60 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: or what do you have? I have a brother, but 61 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: I do have cousins, and that are females. Yes, you know. 62 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: My daughter and my son, they're twins, are twelve years 63 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: old right now. They're going to be going off to 64 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: college in just a few years. This is called the 65 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: college rape scandal. Tell me what happened. Let's just start 66 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: with Ohio State. Tell me about that, LEVI put it 67 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: in a nutshell for me. Okay, so, Nancy, two football 68 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: players are charged with the rape a mere Reef and Jason. 69 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: Why is it always football players? Don't mean to interrupt, 70 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: but what about that? Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of 71 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: Red Flags, Why is it always the football players college? 72 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: And then when you get to professional sports, it's free 73 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: for all. It could be football, it could be basketball. 74 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: You know, you don't really hear too much about baseball 75 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: or hockey or rugby or soccer. Well, what is it 76 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: with football, Wendy? Theories advanced over the years about this. 77 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the theories is, this is a 78 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: sport that attracts the ability to let's say, have lots 79 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: of dates. You have, lots of women come home with you. 80 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: There's also a theory that says there's aggressive date that 81 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: is at a premium. Did you say date date? Remember 82 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: it's date rate that happens a lot is what you have? 83 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: Is okay? I agree, but I'm kind of losing you 84 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: on the date part of their part of it is acquaintance. 85 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: Sexual assault is far more common than somebody leaping out 86 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: of the bushes, and that is problematic. Now you have 87 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: this this issue of consent being the defense, and that's 88 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: why these cases are so egregious because when you have 89 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: a sport that's high profile, that's in the spotlight. Remember 90 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: football games are a big deal in high school. You know, 91 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: athletes are role models, whether they want to be or not. 92 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: And when this kind of behavior, sexual assault is happening, 93 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: where it begins with some element of let's say, their acquaintances, 94 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: if maybe they're not on a date. Although sadly, Nancy, 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: you and I both know, having tried these cases for years, 96 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: sometimes the woman doesn't believe she's going to be raped. 97 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: And that is one of the reasons that these crimes 98 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: are severely underreported. Is it goes bad very quickly and 99 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: it turns into a terrible crime. And another thing which 100 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: I made a shrink on this. I got to eat 101 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: a second Karen. But a lot of the women, they're 102 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: really just girls, but women in college and that scenario, 103 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: they feel as if they would be the ones blackballed, 104 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: as if it would be their fault if they say anything. 105 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Long story short, take a list to our friends over 106 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: at CBS News is Adriana Diaz. The Ohio State University 107 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: football players a Mere Reap and Johnson Wentz were booked 108 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: into this Columbus jail late last night after turning themselves in. 109 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: The criminal complaint alleged that February fourth, a nineteen year 110 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: old woman was having consensual sex with Reap when she stopped, 111 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: stating she did not want to continue. Detective Say Wint 112 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: then entered the room and Reap, after asking if Wint 113 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: could join, pushed her down by the neck, and the 114 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: two men allegedly raped her. Afterward, the report says, Reep 115 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: told the victim to say the incident was consensual on 116 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: a video as he was laughing and she was crying. 117 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: Denise alex Bazunis is with the Columbus Police Department. She 118 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: was unsure if she should go ahead and file charges. 119 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Reap is a cornerback and went a safety. Both are 120 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: twenty one and played in more than thirty games for 121 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: the Buckeye, with one more year of eligibility. Attorney Sam 122 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: Shamanski represents Wint charges are outrageously false. He's wrongly accused. 123 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: He shouldn't be in jail. Well, I find that really 124 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: hard to believe. Let me get a ushll nut. You're 125 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: the lawyer, You're not a prosecutor, so I assume you 126 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: take the criminal defense case every once in a while. 127 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: So how does that work? After consensual sex during which 128 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: your sex partner says, hey, can my buddy join in? 129 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: I've got a funny feeling. That's not what she signed 130 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: up for. How often do you see that shell nutt 131 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: where the man then says, hey, by the way, he 132 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: will use will you go on video saying this was? 133 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: Because you know you don't see very often Nancy, Um, 134 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: you know the bottom whatever? How about ever, have you 135 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: ever seen it? Let's get specific, have you ever seen 136 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: that happened where after a sex? Never seen that happened again? 137 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: Perfume on the pig, this is a rape? Have you 138 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: ever seen them and go, oh yeah, by the way, 139 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: can I get you on video saying that whole thing 140 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: was consensual? We just did No, I've never seen it happen. 141 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: And if you're trying to avoid this type of charge, 142 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea. You know, if you look at 143 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: the video and look at the reports of what was 144 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: on this video, you know this, This young lady who's 145 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: the victimizes crying during this video. This isn't some happy 146 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: Joyce event where they're cutting up last and having a 147 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: good time. She's in tears and it looks like a 148 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: coerced video Time stories with Nancy Grace. The arrest of 149 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: a Mere Reef and Jason wind have placed a dark 150 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: cloud over Ohio State's football program. It's we of the 151 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: team and it just goes to show you that one 152 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: or two guys can bring a whole team down, and 153 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: you're seeing it now. Reef, there's a young man known 154 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: to many Cincinnatians for his skills on the gridiron. While 155 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: at Coleraine High Schools when he was a senior, the 156 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: four star cornerback was one of the best in state 157 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: prospects who chose to play at Ohio State. Wind Is 158 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: a current teammate of Reefs. The two lived together in 159 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: this apartment complex off campus. Columbus police say this is 160 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: where the men rates a nineteen year old who is 161 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: also an OSU student. I think there's probably a lot 162 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: of bad stuff that happens that we don't hear about, 163 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: and this just comes to everyone's attention because there's such 164 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: big name. According to court documents obtained by WLWT, the 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: nineteen year old and Reep were hanging out together on 166 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: February fourth and began to have consensual sex please say. 167 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: She then wanted to stop, went entered the room, and 168 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: documents state both men forced the woman into sex acts. 169 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Reep is then accused of telling the woman she needed 170 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: to give her name and say the sex was consensual 171 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: on a video recording. Have you ever heard anything like it? 172 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: A video recordings WLWT needs five reporter Karen Johnson. You 173 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: know I was just thinking, um Karen Stark joining me, 174 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: psychologist joining me out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. Karen, 175 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: did I ever tell you in all those hours we 176 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: sat in the dark together on the set at Court 177 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: TV Good Times, did I ever tell you that high 178 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: school I dated the high school football captain. Did I 179 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: tell you that? Yeah, we cheer. Remember, I can't believe 180 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: I ever brought that up. What did that attracted? That? Everything, Nancy, 181 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: But I'm not saying a word. Sadly, we were miked 182 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: up in the whole control room heard it. But can 183 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: I tell you that did not help me at all 184 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: in my education or my legal career. As a matter 185 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: of fact, the whole thing caused me a lot of grief. So, ladies, 186 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: if you're listening dating an athlete, it's fine, but it's 187 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily a status symbol, you know. I think somehow 188 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: Karen start that, well, can you blame the young women 189 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: in college because so much focused? Did you hear that 190 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: sound from our played by WLWT? They were talking about 191 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: at the beginning, the dark cloud, the rape scandal put 192 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: over the football team. It's all about the football team. 193 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: So can you blame young girls, young women who go 194 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: to college and all the emphasis is about the football game, 195 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: the football team, the game that weekend, the hoopla surrounding that. 196 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: Of course they think it's a big deal. So you know, 197 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: I can preach all I want to about it not 198 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: being a status symbol, but that's not necessarily true, Karen, start. 199 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: We got to think like they're thinking, it's not necessarily true, Nancy, 200 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's very appealing. But I also want to add 201 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: that you hear about stories like this from fraternitys. You 202 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: hear about stories like this. They just don't get the 203 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: same attention as the football players get because they are 204 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 1: the most popular and they're supposed to be quick. Was 205 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: brought Does anybody remember Brought Turner? He was the Stanford 206 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: student that raped a young lady out beside the trash bins, 207 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: then claimed that was consensual. I mean, you know, Karen Smith, 208 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: let's just think this thing through. I mean, I know 209 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: people do a lot of crazy things when they're drunk, 210 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: but I hardly think getting naked by the trash ben 211 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: beside the fraternity house and having sex on top of 212 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: the dirt and the pine straw was what she really wanted. 213 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe just that at 214 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: first sentence, At first bloshcare and Smith. I mean, forensically speaking, 215 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, when you analyze a case, you have to 216 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: look at the forensics. You can Yet, what do you 217 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: do with a case like that. I'm talking about Brought 218 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Turners who got the out slap on the wrist by 219 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: the I think, wasn't he a previous Stanford student or 220 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: coached one of their debate teams. There was some connection 221 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: between the judge and Stanford. Remember that, Yes, I do, Nancy. 222 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: And you know what, here's the thing about this whole 223 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: rape culture thing. No, she didn't want that. And in 224 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: this case at Ohio State, that victim said that she 225 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: was involved in consensual sex, but she wanted to stop. 226 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: And the file that's where it ends. The woman says 227 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: she wants to stop. You stop, you don't go forward. 228 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. You're dealing with university football players. 229 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: Two things here, publicity and financial fancy. A lot of 230 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: money comes into universities from the football team. And I'm 231 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: not blaming them, I'm not blood rushing. But what I'm 232 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: saying is when a woman comes forward against a football player, 233 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: that means bad publicity, and that means financial devastation if 234 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: it gets out in the news, and the universities then 235 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: have to go forward and defend all of this stuff. Yeah, 236 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what's not asking you about forensics evidence. 237 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: We certainly got off the road. Let me just steer 238 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: the bus back into the middle of the road. Karen, 239 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: listen to this. Johnson went and a mere Reap of 240 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: both reigned on rape and kidnapping charges this morning, entering 241 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: not guilty Please. Reap's bonds set at one hundred thousand 242 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: dollars wins at seventy five thousand CPDE charging the pair 243 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: for an incident a woman says happened at an off 244 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: campus apartment last week. Investigators say it started as consensual 245 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: sex between the alleged victim and a mere Reap, but 246 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: they say it became rape when she told him to 247 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: stop and went joined. This is video we're seeing for 248 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: the first time today of the two being booked at 249 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: the Franklin County Jail. Attorneys for both deny the allegations. 250 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the politics of it, 251 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: but it's a tough place to be in a student athlete, 252 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: and if you're falsely accused, the cut cloweral consequences are 253 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: just pronounced. This case is so fully reasonable, doubt, it's 254 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: beyond belief. But the reality is my kids innocent, period, 255 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: Once attorney pointing out police waited seven days to arrest him, 256 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: were my clients some stone called rapist, kidnapper, he wouldn't 257 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: have been on the street for seven minutes, not to 258 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: me in day. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa? What are they 259 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: telling me? There's a difference between a stone called rapist 260 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: and date rape, because that's what I think I heard 261 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: you were hearing our friends at w s y X 262 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: ABC six. Is there a big difference under the law 263 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: between date rape and stone called rapists like off the street? 264 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: You know, in legal theory, no, but when you get 265 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: in front of a jury, that's a whole another can 266 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: of worms to convince a jury that a woman went 267 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: willingly on a date, met possibly started consensual four play, 268 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: and then said no, does it happen? It happens every day. 269 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: But practically speaking, sometimes you're going to hit a roadbump 270 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: with a jury. You've got to get a jury that 271 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: understands the thinking behind the victim not coming forward. That's 272 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: a big issue. We see it all the time, you know, 273 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: you see it in the Weinstein case. Why did all 274 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: of these actresses never make a formal complaint? Look what 275 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: happened when they did. When one victim actually caught Weinstein 276 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: on audio tape and took it to Cyrus Advance the 277 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Manhattan DA they did nothing. Nothing. What message does that 278 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: send Aside from the Ohio rap scandal, there's so many others, 279 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: but let me just circle back to that one moment 280 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: to Levi Page Crime online dot Com investigator reporter Levi 281 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: tell me exactly what the victim's allegations are in the 282 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Ohio rape case. So, Nancy, she claims that she was 283 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: at this apartment complex off campus and the amere Reap 284 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: twenty one years old. They were having consensual sex. She 285 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: then says that she changed her mind and she no 286 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: longer wanted to engage in sexual activity with him. Then 287 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: things took a dark turn. Nancy. She says that Jason 288 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: went also a football player. The roommate came into the 289 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: room and he was like, hey, do you mind if 290 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: he joined? And she rebuked the idea, and then both 291 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: of them, who what what what? Levi? Maybe it's an 292 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: everyday thing for you to discuss. Hey, she's having consensual sex. 293 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: Then the roommate comes in and says, hey, can I 294 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: jump in? I just have to drink that in for 295 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: just one moment. I mean, right there, Wendy Patrick, I 296 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: got a problem right there. Yeah, yeah, that's right. She 297 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't sign up for a three son you know going 298 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: on a date from me. I said that at the beginning, 299 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: she didn't sign up for that, and you stole it. 300 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a moment. Come up with your 301 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: own tag phrase. But I know that the allegations are 302 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: that the roommate came in, then leave my page. He 303 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: asked her to do a video basically statement giving her 304 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: name and that the act was consensual. She cried the 305 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: whole way through as got their myths on that. What yeah, 306 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: you know this story. I'll say I think I think 307 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: this whole video, this video consent allegation is just nonsense. 308 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: You can argue it's to sign at the times, everything's 309 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: got to be in writing her on video, But this 310 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: young lady that the trauma that she was experiencing is evidence. 311 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: When you look at a video like this, it is 312 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: not a good idea. It is something that will be 313 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: used as an aggravent, as it should be, and there 314 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: is a very upheld battle arguing consent in circumstances like this. Sadly, 315 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: we do see cases like this. I don't want to 316 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: say it's only in the sporting arena, but given though 317 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: the allegations we're discussing, we've seen it, let's say more 318 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: than once. I know I've seen it many times over 319 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: the course of my career at leavi page. Let me 320 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: break in just a moment. What were you saying? Is 321 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: there more in the Ohio case? Yes. In addition to 322 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: forcing her to record a video statement saying that this 323 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: was consensual, he also made her take a shower before 324 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: driving her home, which would wash away some evidence of 325 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: a sexual assault, which shows you that they maybe knew 326 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: what they were doing. Uh. Yeah, that's a good point, 327 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: but very quickly, Karen Smith, Yes, No, hold on, wait 328 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: for it. When you'd force a rape victim to take 329 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: a shower, I doubt pretty seriously you're going to be 330 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: able to wash DNA out of someone's body cavities. I mean, 331 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: that's not going to work. No, it won't. There's still 332 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: going to be some evidence left behind. And when you 333 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: know she was reported, she apparently reported this within hours. 334 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: A rape kit probably was done, at least I hope 335 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: it was done. And if that's the case, then that 336 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: DNA will still be within her. You know, if she 337 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: was held down by the neck, does she have bruising? 338 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: That would be the forendic evidence. I would be looking 339 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: for any cruising, any scratches and he marks on her 340 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: body as well. It's just very sad all around. Nancy 341 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: all of its Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Prosecutor Jan 342 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: Norman cued up three videos which were narrated by detective 343 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: Chad Gish, who discovered them on an iPhone back in 344 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Yes, this is the victim laying on the 345 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: floor of the dorm room. We see Corey Beatty's hand. 346 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: There a few seconds of video that shattered lives. It's 347 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: mister Beatty appearing to have sex with the victim. The 348 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: video was shot inside to let hall. Just said at 349 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: two forty in the morning. What you can't see is 350 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: the unconscious female student laying on a tile floor. I 351 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: feel almost sick. This woman, this young woman is depicted 352 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: on video being carried unconscious down a hall at Vanderbilt University. 353 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: From what we are learning, from what we know, she 354 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: was totally unconscious when she was raped. Yet this has 355 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: still being called a scandal as opposed to what it is, 356 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: a rape on a young woman. With me an all 357 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: star panel. Welcome back, I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 358 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Straight to LEVI page 359 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigat a reporter Levi, what happened 360 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: in the Vanderbilt case but Nancy in twenty thirteen, Brandon Vandenburg, 361 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: Cory Baby, Brandon Banks, and jay Borian Mackenzie. Oh wha 362 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: wait wait who one more time? How many people Brandon Vandenberg, 363 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: Corey Baby, Brandon Banks, and jay Borian Mackenzie. That's one, two, three, 364 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: four five. They were charged with great their football players 365 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: on at Vanderbilt University and Nancy. This is known as 366 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: the Harvard of the South, very very hard to get 367 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: into this college, and they're accused of raping a twenty 368 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: one year old female in the dorms there on campus, 369 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: and cameras set up in the dorms in the hallway 370 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: show them carrying this twenty one year old woman unconscious. 371 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: Cameras set up were they surveillance cameras or were they 372 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: camera set up by the purpse cameras set up by 373 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: the college surveillance cameras in the hallway. But after they 374 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: carried her into Vandenberg's dorm room, they whipped out their 375 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: cell phones and they started taking photographs and videos of her. Nancy. 376 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: At one point when they were carrying her in her skirt, 377 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: rode up and they started taking pictures of her in 378 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: her underwear, and Vandenberg also sent photographs of the victim 379 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: to an ex player that played for Vanderbilt. He also 380 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: there were photographs recovered from their phones, Nancy, of the 381 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: woman's private area. There was a video of Corey Beatty 382 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: and he's taking off his pants. He's wearing American flag underwear. 383 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: They're teasing him about it, and they're looking at porn 384 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: on the computer. There's also this is the most disturbing part. 385 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: There's video of them penetrating her with a water bottle 386 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: while she's passed out, and one of them urinates on 387 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: the victim, Corey Beatty, and in the video he says 388 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: that is for four hundred years of flavory and then 389 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: he calls her the B word. You know that was 390 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: my fault. I asked you to tell me what happened. 391 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: You taught me how old was the victim? LEVI do 392 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: we know? Twenty one years old? You know what? Karen Stark, 393 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes I just don't know what to say. I mean, 394 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: we're training in court to have an answer to everything. 395 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't even have an answer. Don't that the 396 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: cruelty by the stain Nancy, the total disdain, the disregard 397 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: for the fact that this is a human being, a 398 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: person with rights and her privacy. It's so outrageous and 399 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: really really shows the disgust that they're having, that they 400 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: could care less they don't see her as a person. 401 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: Of course, you're sitting there and you don't know what 402 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: to say. It's just beyond belief. I mean though, the 403 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: thought of those videos and those pictures being disseminated to 404 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: god knows who and totally passed out Levi Paige. Was 405 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: she roofied? Was she? Why was she passed out? So Nancy. 406 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: That night before she was taken to the dorm room, 407 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: she was out on a date with Brandon Vandenberg. They 408 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: were at a bar in downtown Nashville, the ten Roo, 409 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: very popular place where the younger crowd, and she drank 410 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: very heavily. They tried to get into her hotel, but 411 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: not her hotel, but her apartment, but she couldn't find 412 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: her keys. So that's when they drove to the dorm 413 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: room where this a sexual assault took place. Well, you 414 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen now. Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor author. 415 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: I've read flags. You can find her. Wendy Patrick, PhD. 416 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad you got that PhD in there. Now let 417 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: me ask you, Wendy, is your PhD your juris doctorate 418 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: or do you have another PhD. My PhD is in theology, Nancy, 419 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: I got a master and Divinity degree after I was 420 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: a prosecutor for about fifteen years and then went on 421 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: and got that PhD. Man, you probably needed it after 422 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: you saw all that, well, you bet I did. And 423 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: you know it really comes into play when analyzing the 424 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: behavior of sexual assault perpetrators and victims because it is 425 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: this why do we have to analyze their behavior? But 426 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: because the prosecutors did they because unless the jury has 427 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: been there, they can't appreciate, for example, why a woman 428 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't run to the police right away, why she might 429 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: continue to have contact with or a rapists. Those are 430 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: the kinds of stuff, the kind of psychology. That's why 431 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: we have expert witnesses to explain to a jury how 432 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: traumatizing it is, how humiliating it can be, how embarrassing 433 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: and is shaming. And that's one of the reasons to 434 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: tell you, Wendy, that's why a lot of victims don't 435 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: come forward because they're so embarrassed because now you've got 436 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: to tell the whole courtroom what happened. Then you got 437 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: to see pictures of your genitals on you know, where 438 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: you're skirt up around your head in front of whoever's 439 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. You can't close a courtroom. Now. There 440 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: were many occasions where I would just hand pictures directly 441 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: to the jury once they were, of course admitted into evidence, 442 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: and not put them up on a slide show, usually 443 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: because the victims were present and I did not want 444 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: them to have to see that or be embarrassed, or 445 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the victims relatives if the victim was dead, I didn't 446 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: want them to see autopsy photos or crime scene photos. 447 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: But sometimes they did go up. So you got the 448 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: rate victims sitting there watching all that. Take a listen 449 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: to our friends. This is WTV News Channel five, Chris County. 450 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Then came the text messages found on Corey Baty's phone 451 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: days after the alleged rape occurred. They are trying to say, 452 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: we raped this big Saturday night. I'm about to kicked 453 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: off the team bro. Period, I'm my life up. Period. 454 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: All of these though were secondhand accounts. What her next 455 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: came directly from a man who was there. I can't 456 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: think a six core baby. Jaborian Tip McKenzie is also 457 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: accused of rape. At one time he was Batty's best friend. 458 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: Today he was testifying against him. Well, he continued to 459 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: um test the young lady. There were moments, yeah, man, 460 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: do you need a break? Fine? When the twenty one 461 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: year old appeared changed by it all, Well, I'm the 462 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: same though what I will ought to take place that day. 463 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm not happy about it at all. Exist I hate 464 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: did it happen that way? No, I'm sorry. You could 465 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: feel sorry for him if you want to. But as 466 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: the judge often in structure jury, a defendant a perpetrator 467 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: may exhibit remorse immediately after the deed, but that does 468 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: not negate the intent at the time of the incident. 469 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Let's think about that for a moment. The time of 470 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: the incident where this young woman just twenty one twenty two, 471 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: lying on the floor, where the skirt up over her head, 472 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: getting raped not only by these men but with water bottles, 473 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: but getting dragged around up and down a hall naked 474 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: in the dorm or the structure's hall, no, he's upset now. 475 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: He wasn't upset then when he and his buddies are 476 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: sitting around pictures and videos of this poor woman. Awful 477 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: if you can't connect with her. What did this happened 478 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: to your daughter, or your mother or your sister. Let's 479 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: take a lesson to the victim in this case. Gut 480 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: wrenching testimony from the victim in that brutal rape case 481 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt University. As the defendant, Corey Beatty sat expressionless in 482 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: the courtroom. I've seen with my own eyes what I 483 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: was when mister Beaty was done with me, a piece 484 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: of trush. Today was the sentencing for Baby. He's one 485 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: of the four former college football players accused of raping 486 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: a twenty one year old fellow student and capturing it 487 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: all on camera. Today Beatty addressed the now twenty four 488 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: year old victims. It is one of In the end, 489 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: the judge handed down an expected minimum sentence of fifteen 490 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: years in prison. His former teammate, Brandon Vanderberg, will be 491 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: sentenced in September. His other twommates who pleaded not guilty, 492 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: are now awaiting word on plea deals. I'm so disgusted 493 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: in these sentences, leave I pay, just give it to himmy, 494 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: give it to himmy like a bullet. All right, what 495 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: were the sentence? So Brandon Vandenberg got seventeen years in prison, 496 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: Corey Beatty and Bates he'll do about seven eight go ahead, 497 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: worry Baity and Brandon Bigs both got fifteen years, and 498 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Jay Borian mackenzie reached a plea deal where he agreed 499 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: to testify against his former teammates. He got no prison time, 500 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: that he has to register as a sex offender for 501 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. He got probation. He got 502 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: probation because he snitched probation. So one gets seventeen, he'll 503 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: probably do maybe seven or eight. Two get fifteen, they'll 504 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: probably do six or seven, and one gets straight probation. 505 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: You know what's the saddest part is that there are 506 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: actually people whining about how this will affect their career. 507 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, really after the attack happened, 508 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: he turned to me and said, found the kind of 509 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: girl I would report a rape right because I would 510 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: ruin my career. Three days later, she did just that, 511 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: went to Logan police and reported that Tory Green had 512 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: raped her. How long did it take for them to 513 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: take these allegations seriously, and they called him in and 514 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: I heard nothing for about a year and a half. 515 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: Don't report this, it would ruin my career. Salt Lake 516 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: City Fox thirteen reporter Aaron Cox. Wow, Okay, another rape 517 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: scandal at another university. This time we're talking about Utah State. 518 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: To leave ipage climb online dot com investigative reporters, tell 519 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: me what happened in the Utah incidents? Is it true? 520 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: There are six victims Nancy, six victims that claimed they 521 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: were raped from two thirteen to two fifteen by a 522 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: former Utah State football player, twenty five year old Tory Green. All. 523 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: The women claimed that they were raped on dates with 524 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: him in their first ever encounter with him, all at 525 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: his apartment, and it went from twenty thirteen to two 526 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. That's thirteen fourteen, fifteen, three years. What took 527 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: so long for it to come to authorities? So authorities 528 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: didn't follow up on these claims and the university was 529 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: also been a woman that claimed she had met him 530 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: for ice cream. It was their first date. They went 531 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: to his apartment to watch a movie and he forced 532 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: himself on her and raped her. She says that she 533 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: went to the university, they never took action, they never 534 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: followed up with her, and she was so upset about 535 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: this that she gave up her scholarship and transferred schools. 536 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Are you telling me that one or six of these 537 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: young ladies went to the university and they did nothing. 538 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: What do we know about the university itself as being 539 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: complicit in the delay in prosecution? Well, I know that 540 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: the woman that I just mentioned filed a civil lawsuit 541 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: again into the university. I think other females had gone 542 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: to the university as well as the police. Do you 543 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: think do you know? I think that I don't know. 544 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how many actually went to the university. 545 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: I do know that several of them went to law enforcement, 546 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: and law enforcement didn't really take action untild the accusations 547 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: kept coming in. That's odd, That's really weird. James shell 548 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: Nutt twenty two, twenty seven years Metro major case swat officer. 549 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: That's not easy, now, lawyer, James shell Nutt. I find 550 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: that very odd because I would get rape cases to 551 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: prosecute where in the police file and the grand jury 552 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: proceedings there's hardly any evidence at all. I would have 553 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: to go out and beat the street, I mean, work 554 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: it hard in order to get a case to take 555 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: to a jury. Yet I'm hearing that here in the 556 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: Utah top sat on rape allegations until they started quote 557 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: building up. What do you what do you make of that? 558 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: What I make of it is absolutely disgusting. You know, 559 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: you have to sit and think why would they do this? 560 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: And you know why always is always the question. Sometimes 561 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: that seems to pervade an answer, But the bottom line 562 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: is that you have to think what interference was there? 563 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: What was their reasoning? What was the police motivation to 564 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: not investigate this case? And you have to start thinking, 565 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, is there some improper influence coming from outside 566 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: the law enforcement agency, through the school administration, through coaches, 567 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: or through someone else to hinder them or to port 568 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: a dampen the fire on this situation so that they 569 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: lacked motivation or lack the ability to investigate this case. 570 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking about what if any undue 571 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: influence was placed on the police. If any I don't 572 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: know that there was, leave I page. What mar can 573 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: you tell me about the delay in these cases ever 574 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: getting prosecuted? Because think about it, we know this guy. 575 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: One guy is convicted. Isn't he convicted of sex assault 576 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: on six women? Yeah? I mean if he had been 577 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: convicted the first time, maybe there would have been five others. 578 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: And remember that stat I started with LEVI about one 579 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 1: in four women have been sex assaulted at some time. 580 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: How many other women are out there? Six women saw 581 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: it through all the way. How many other women are 582 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: out there? How this guy get away with it for 583 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: so long? Well, Nancy, part of the reason why this 584 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: was prosecuted was the Salt Lake Tribune was actually tipped 585 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: off and they did an article on this, and that's 586 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: how Also it gained momentum and they started prosecuting him. 587 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: And during the investigation, Nancy, this is very important to 588 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: point out, they got a search point for Green's cell 589 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: phone and they got text messages that he had exchanged 590 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: with a friend of his where they were discussing. The 591 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: Thought Lake Tribune an article about the accuracy. Whoa, whoa, 592 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: whoa wait wait wait, I gotta write this down. Go ahead, 593 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: hit me though he is texting with a friend and 594 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: he speaked with proper nuns. Please, who is he Green? 595 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: The defendant? He is Green. The full name is Tory green, Yes, 596 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: go aham, And he is texting with a friend and 597 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: at first he denies the allegation, and then he comes 598 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: out and says, quote, they said I raped them, Yes 599 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: I did. It's my fault. I'm the one who did it, 600 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: and that was used against him at trial. Well I guess, so, 601 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so six women that we know of, Okay, 602 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: what more can you tell me about that? He went 603 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: to court, he got convicted. Was it a plea, was 604 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: it a trial? Was the Senate? Is there an appeal 605 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: going on? What can't you tell me? He went to trial, Nancy, 606 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: And this is going to get you upset about what 607 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: his defense was. So the defense attorney argued that all 608 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: of these victims came forward because he was going to 609 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: go into the NFL and they wanted attention. That's what 610 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: their defense was. Okay, I'm upset, but it's also laughable. 611 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: So I think the delay in the prosecution was because 612 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: the university didn't report it and the police didn't go 613 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: through with it. But he's saying the only reason they 614 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: came forward is because he was going to go to 615 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the big show. Yes, yes, he was actually signed to 616 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons and they dropped him. Okay, that's what 617 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: I can tell you right now. And also, these women 618 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: are suing Utah State University. What about that? What's going 619 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: to happen with that? The litigate five ongoing, Nancy, But 620 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: they have sued the university because the university didn't follow 621 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: up on the complaints, they didn't provide any services to 622 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: help them throughout this devastating experience at all, and several 623 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: of them have taken action in the form of civil 624 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: lawsuits against Utah State. Well, I truly believe that's the 625 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: only way that the rape culture will ever be brought 626 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: to a halt within universities and colleges is to hit 627 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: them where it counts, and that's in the wallet. Nancy 628 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye, Frank