1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: Let's get to the show. Some breaking news happening in 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: the media world, a titanic event, maybe not that Titanic. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: Ninety two year old Rupert Murdoch is officially stepping down 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: as the chairman of Fox and News Corp. 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: Here's what he writes in a memo to colleagues. 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: Dear colleagues, I'm ready to let you know I've decided 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: to transition to the role of chairman emeritus at Fox 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: and News. For my entire professional life, I have engaged 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: daily with news and ideas that will not change. The 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: headline is that he will be turning all responsibilities over 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: to his son, the sole runner of the company, Lachlan Murdoch. 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: He writes, quote, my father firmly believed in freedom. Lachlan 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: is absolutely committed to this cause. Self serving bureaucracies are 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: seeking to silence those who would question their providence and purpose. 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: Elites have contempt for those who are not members. 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: Of their rarefied class. 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: Most of the media is in cahoots with those elites, 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: peddling political narratives rather than pursuing the truth. Bit rich 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: coming from the multi billionaire who's made really the same 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: business as doing the exact same thing but for other people, hey, 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: you know who amongst us that. 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: It does of course settle a projection there. 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: For a major succession related drama, because Lachlan will be 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: in charge of the company for now, but the ninety 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: two year old Murdoch whenever he dies. There's actually a 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: clause I believe in his trust or as well, whereas 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: four surviving children will all have equal voting shares for 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: the future of the company. James Murdoch, on others, son, 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: is very dismuch disagrees with Lachlan and with the future 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: of Fox News and News Corp. He's very much more 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: like Hillary Clinton type liberal supporter and would probably be 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: more likely to either sell it off or to change 42 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: the editorial direction of the company. Apparently the other two 43 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: children are probably more inclined to agree with James, but 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: there's no real way to change this. So it really 45 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: is like the drama from six. But as long as 46 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: he's alive, Lachlan will remain in charge. 47 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: But be session fans. I guess James is more like 48 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: Chavn Yes, but the idea well, and Lachlan is like Shron. 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: Was actually interesting character, though James appears to me to 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: just be like your standard variety multi billionaire son lives. 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: I'm sure there are layers there. 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are layers there, but I mean, the 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: idea is that Lachlan was like buddies with Tucker and 54 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: sort of embraced this trumpy persona at least he was 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: more comfortable with that extent. So yeah, so you can 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: slot in which our succession character you feel like he fits. 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: But at least for now we have an answer of 58 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: who is going to take over the reins in the 59 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: immediate future. And obviously, I mean this really does come 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: at a critical juncture for Fox News, in particular because 61 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: the entire cable business, and certainly in the entire cable 62 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: news business, is on a on a downswing, probably a 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: permanent one. You know, they're trying to figure out their 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: streaming and how they continue to compete in a new era. 65 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: And then obviously on the political front, they threw all 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: in with Ronda Santis. Ronda Santis is in fifth place 67 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire right now, like He's decline has been precipitous. 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: He clearly he's you know, maybe barely hanging out in 69 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: to second place in most polls, but is not even 70 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: close to challenging Trump for the brass ring here, and 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: so you know that bet was off there. Still continue 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: to be in legal trouble over their coverage and stopped 73 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: steal nonsense. They're still embroiled in lawsuits there, so that 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: has been an issue for them. So there's a lot 75 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: of questions about the future of this organization, how they 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: position themselves in a potentially next Trump and administration. Throughout 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: the Republican primary, how they positioned themselves for the future 78 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: with streaming, et cetera. They have very all the cable 79 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: news companies have a very elderly audience base, so that's 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: a risk for them as well. So does come at 81 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: a kind of pivotal moment for the industry and Fox 82 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: News included. 83 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: Just think back to our focus group, only one person 84 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: said Fox News was really got there. 85 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: That's right, one out of eight. So that tells everything. 86 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: Publican base voters ten years ago. 87 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: One said Fox twenty years ago they would be like Fox, 88 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: Fox five will they would have named every single one 89 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: of their favorite shows that time is damn guys, the 90 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: Internet has completely taken over. 91 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, he's got it. He's got a tough thing 92 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: going for him. 93 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: If I were them, I mean, Fox is not where 94 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: the fu I mean, that's where the money was. But 95 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: obviously the one bet of their entire portfolio that I 96 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: think is the best of Wall Street Journal, you know, 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: if if they still have their hands on but that's 98 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 2: not how they look it over there, because it doesn't 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: print the same amount of cable carriage fees. 100 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: He's got. He's got a lot on his hands, I 101 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: think for the future. 102 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: Indeed, I did a monologue about the Sound Freedom not 103 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: that long ago. But there's been some very troubling developments 104 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: with the leadership of the organization that was behind it, 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: specifically Tim Ballard. Let's go and put this up there 106 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: on the screen. So Tim Ballard has how had to 107 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: depart the operation Underground Railroad after a sexual misconduct investigation. Internally, 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: they said, quote, our has dedicated to combating sexual abuse 109 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: and does not tolerate sexual harassment or discrimination by anyone 110 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: inside of the organization. So what they said is that 111 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: while Tim Ballard allegedly is preparing for a Senate run Crystal, 112 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: he quote has invited women to act as to quote 113 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: his wife, on undercover missions which were aimed at rescuing 114 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: victims of sex trafficking. He would then quote allegedly coerce 115 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: these women into sharing a bed or to showering together, 116 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: claiming it was necessary to fool traffickers. So obviously that's 117 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: incredibly creepy behavior. They're a believed quote to be higher 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: than seven in terms of the number of women. That 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: would account for some employees who were coerced into this. 120 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: And you know, the organization itself has distanced himself, they said, 121 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: quote he has permanently separated from the organization. We're dedicated 122 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: to combating sexual abuse. We have retained an independent law 123 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: firm to conduct a comprehensive investigation to all the relevant allegations. 124 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: What I actually thought was most noteworthy was the Mormon 125 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: Church ranging in let's put this up there on the screen. 126 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: The Church of Latter day Saints actually denounced many of 127 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: the claims made by Tim Ballard, saying quote, his activities 128 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: were morally unacceptable and that they had betrayed the French. 129 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: This was after a previous allegation about how he had 130 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: been betrayed and how the president of a church had 131 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: been has had his name used in terms of Tim's 132 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: quote personal or financial interests. It's pretty rare to see 133 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: the Mormon Church actually come out and basically disavow and 134 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: denounce the claims which were made that basically that the 135 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: church was standing by him. As I said, the backdrop 136 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: of all this is he wants to run for a 137 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: Senate in Utah and then at the same time, with 138 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: other things dropping, let's put this up there on the screen. 139 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: One of the producers behind the film quote held an 140 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: allegedly underaged trafficking victim's breast during an was found during 141 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: an investigation for sexual misconduct during one of these investigations. 142 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: And or trips that were made with the to go 143 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: and to rescue victims of human trafficking. 144 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: So some contrary behavior to what was shown in the 145 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: film Crystal I think to say the least. 146 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: Indeed, and listen, to be clear, Tim Ballard denies everything 147 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: as he did nothing wrong, that they had really strict 148 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: guidelines in place, et cetera, et cetera. But you now 149 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of women who effectively said very similar 150 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: behavior that they experienced. There was a letter that was 151 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: going around throughout the Utah philanthrop community basically warning about 152 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: this HR investigation that was occurring within his own organization, 153 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: which again he has now been forced out of right 154 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: into these sexual harassment allegations. Part of what the letter 155 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: said is it was ultimately revealed through disturbingly specific and 156 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: parallel accounts that Tim has been deceitfully and extensively grooming 157 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: and manipulating multiple women for the past few years, with 158 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: the ultimate intent of coursing them to participate in sexual 159 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: acts with him under the premise of going where it 160 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: takes and doing whatever it takes to save a child. 161 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: So the allegation here is that effectively he would use 162 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: these women's real concern about trafficking victims and say, well, 163 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, how far would you go to make sure 164 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: that these kids are okay? Well, I guess you have to, 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, sleep at the bed that I guess you 166 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: have to shower with me. I guess you have to 167 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: pretend you're my wife for this trip. Those are the allegations, 168 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the fact that he was 169 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: pushed out of his own organization says something. There's also 170 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: there is a long documented track record of him being 171 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: caught in overt lies about some of the work that 172 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: his organization has done, including you know, things that he 173 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: has told Congress about specific trafficking survivors, the details of 174 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: which he made up. The involvement of his organization with 175 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: these trafficking survivors he also invented and embellished. So there 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: were some red flags about this dude already, even in 177 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: advance of these allegations. And then the other thing that 178 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, within the world of organizations that are genuinely 179 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: working to combat human trafficking, there were a lot of 180 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: questions about their tactics, and that ties into the other 181 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: allegations about this executive producer and how he ends up, 182 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, groping this uh maybe under age potentially underage, 183 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: sixteen year old, potentially uh sex trafficking victim. Is the 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: the other organizations said, listen, part of what you're doing 185 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: here is you're actually creating more demand for sex trafficking 186 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: and in particular underage sex trafficking victims by going into 187 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: these commune in the tactics that you're using. So there 188 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: were a lot of red flags. That doesn't mean you 189 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: can't like the movie, that doesn't mean that you can't 190 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: really support the core underlying mission, but just in terms 191 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: of these particular individuals being heroes. 192 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: A lot of problems. 193 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the key point, right, which 194 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: is that the movie was popular for a reason. 195 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: It was actually one of the biggest films in South 196 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: America as well. 197 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: Like a lot of people, the idea behind it really 198 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: resonated in terms of the problem probably which is very present, 199 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: but that the people behind it, you know, people behind it, 200 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: at the very least, have not conducted themselves in the 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: most professional manner, regardless of whether it's true or not. 202 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: And I actually think that's a shame for the organization. 203 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I've. 204 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: Seen a lot of people will be like this is 205 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: a witch hunt and all of that, and I'm like, listen, 206 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: you know you read these are people who are in 207 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: the organization who agreed with the cause, who it's like 208 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: they're not like liberals so much. 209 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: They were on these trips. 210 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: They who were on the trips, who are involved the 211 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: Church of Ladder, like the freaking Mormon. You're accusing them 212 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: of being like liars. 213 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 4: And yeah, it's like, what are we talking about anyway, 214 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: Let's all just be honest, let's have a discussion, especially 215 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: because I know that the film resonated with so many people. 216 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean. 217 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: Though that it's all about real life. So important to 218 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: always keep that in mind. And I'll see you guys later. 219 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: We love history over here, and Crystal actually suggested this, 220 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: so I decided to do a. 221 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: Little bit of a dig and give everyone the facts. 222 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: So this some fascinating stuff released from the Vatican archives. 223 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen. 224 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: A new letter shows that Pope Pius the twelve probably 225 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: knew about the Holocaust much earlier than the Vatican has 226 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: ever admitted to. 227 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: So this letter, it. 228 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 2: Was sent actually in nineteen forty two, and it warns 229 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,119 Speaker 2: about Nazi attempts explicitly to exterminate Jews. 230 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: In the Holocaust. 231 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: The letter, which was reproduced, shows that years before the 232 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: Vatican has previously maintained that they knew about the mass 233 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: extermination campaign against Jews in the Holocaust, that a priest, 234 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: a German America or sorry, a German Catholic priest, had 235 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: given a heads up to the Vatican that quote, six 236 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: thousand Poles and Jews a day were being killed quote 237 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: in ss furnacer furnaces at the Belzak camp near Rava Ruska, 238 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: which was then part of German occupied Poland now in 239 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: western Ukraine. Apparently they also referenced Auschwitz and Dakau, some 240 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: of the most infamous and worst death camps in the 241 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: entire Holocaust. Now, the reason why this is very significant 242 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: is because there's been always a lot of debate about 243 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: the Vatican and how they handled World War Two and 244 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: specifically Nazi Germany. And so what this brings up is 245 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: the fact that the Pope at that time actually never 246 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: spoke out against Hitler while he was in power. Now, 247 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: the key part of that, though, is that while he didn't, yes, 248 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: technically do that, the Vatican has always argued that they 249 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: used diplomacy to try and prevent a Nazi backlash, that 250 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: really what they did is they worked like behind the scenes. 251 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: There's always been a lot of controversy around this, because 252 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: there's questions about like the Pope at that time modives themselves. 253 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: The Allied powers actually begged the Vatican to get involved. 254 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 5: I don't know. 255 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: I mean, after reading this, it does seem pretty clear 256 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: like you knew exactly what was going on in December 257 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: of nineteen forty two at the same time, I mean, 258 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: like I'm like somewhat sympathetic, I guess because it was 259 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: a crazy situation. They the Nazis had long been like 260 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: anti Catholic, but politically there were some interesting stuff going 261 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: on between these two parties when the Nazis rose to power. 262 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: But then of course they were also going after in 263 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: some cases priests and others who were working in the 264 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: resistance movements, like in France. So I don't know, maybe 265 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: in their justification, I'm assuming as they didn't want to 266 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: invite like explicit backlash against the Church, that's what they're saying. 267 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 3: That's their spin. I mean, I don't know. 268 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: To me, it seems pretty clear cut, like you knew 269 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: there were death camps and you didn't say anything about it. So, 270 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: and there's also interesting this, as you said, it was 271 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: found in the Vatican archives in letters correspondence that they 272 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: said was like haphazardly stored and seems to not just 273 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: be a one off. It seems to be a series 274 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: of correspondents between this individual and the Pope. So the 275 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: idea being that, you know, there were letters before this, 276 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: even before this letter. Now that we've found that they 277 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: have not let yet located, either they've been misplaced forever 278 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: or they're somewhere else in the Vatican archives that haven't 279 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: been turned up yet. But the idea being that, like, 280 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: this wasn't even your first signal. You knew what was 281 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: going on even before this, You were in this ongoing 282 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: correspondence with this individual. So to me, it seems pretty 283 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: hard to justify. 284 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially because the Allied powers were literally begging them 285 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: to do it. There was actually an interesting new book 286 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: that just came out last year, a guy named David Kurtzer. 287 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: It was called The Pope at War. It really puts 288 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: the It puts the Pope on blast and oh really, yeah, 289 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't have this document, but he knew 290 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: and inferred enough. What effectively he concluded is quote he 291 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: thought he could negotiate with Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler and 292 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: tempered Nazi hatred with diplomacy while the pope act carefully 293 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: quote amid initial concerns that access powers may eventually control 294 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: europe pies never changed his approach, even as evidence and 295 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: pleased for the Vatican to take a stand mounted so quote, 296 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: as a moral leader. He must be judged a failure 297 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: also because he was in power. I mean, you know, 298 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: it's a crazy situation. He came to power I think 299 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: it was like March nineteen thirty nine, and he died 300 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: in almost nineteen sixty, like nineteen fifty eight, So he 301 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: was the pope for almost twenty years. And so even afterwards, 302 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: apparently they did quite a bit to just cover up 303 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: some of the things that were going on. And even 304 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: his predecessor, they never really knew what to do with 305 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: Hitler and with all the rise of power until they 306 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: explicitly turned against the Church because they hated communists just 307 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: as much as. 308 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: Some of the German conservatives. 309 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: Anyway, there's a lot we could go into here, but 310 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: the letter itself fascinating stuff, and I guess just proves 311 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: really the point of David Kurtzer's entire book, which is like, yeah, 312 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: this is a huge failure on their side. And a 313 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: lot of the justifications and stuff that they came up 314 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: with really just don't stand. 315 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: The test of time. 316 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't hold water. 317 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to keep an eye on a very troubling 318 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: trend in the United States which we're all aware of, 319 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: but which the numbers are really stark. 320 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen. 321 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: A new analysis from the CDC of death certificates over 322 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: the last twenty years shows that obesity is a factor 323 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: and cardiac debts has tripled over the last twenty years. 324 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: So there were two hundred and eighty one thousand deaths 325 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: from heart disease linked to obesity in the last twenty years. 326 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: The death rate has tripled from two point two deaths 327 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: per one hundred thousand to six point six per one 328 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: hundred thousand in the database which are linked to obesity, 329 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: and the increase in obesity related debts has with the 330 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: steady decline actually of heart disease overall. So the reason 331 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: why this is troubling is that overall deaths from heart 332 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: disease are actually down by eighteen percent, but obesity related 333 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: heart disease is up by twenty So as obesity continues 334 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: to be a factor, the advance in medicine and statins 335 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: and all this other stuff that we're used in non 336 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: obese cases of heart disease are still going to continue 337 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: to be a problem. They also show that obesity currently is, 338 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: and this is stunning, one hundred and fifteen million people 339 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: in the United States are now, as they put it, 340 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: affected by OBEs or classified OBEs themselves, forty two percent 341 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: of adults. But the worst part, and this is always 342 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: the one that kills me, twenty percent of children now 343 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: according to the CDC. And the issue with that figure 344 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: is that that is just obese, that's not even just 345 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: bmi overweight. And then if you really dig into it, 346 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: a stunning like eight percent or so are like forty 347 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: or fifty bmi like incredibly overweight relative to where they 348 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: should be. And the issue with that is that leads 349 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: to all kinds of insane conditions like type two diabetes 350 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: with small children or children, teenagers and others. I mean, 351 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: that's just a lifetime of suffering and it will shorten 352 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 2: your life span. 353 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: Your health span is a disaster. 354 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: So there's a lot, you know, there's a lot of 355 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: issues that are happening here, and the overall health impact 356 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: is so stunning and so immense. I saw a recent 357 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: chart actually that debts related to sugar and or obesity 358 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: outstrip any drug in the history of the United States. 359 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: If you classify sugar as an actual drug, which I mean, 360 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, there's a good case to be made. Like 361 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: we talk all about alcohol related debts, ventanyl related debts and 362 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: all this wipes every single one of those, you know, 363 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: out of the water. I mean, it's just because it's 364 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: more I guess societally accepted. All right, we don't think 365 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: of it that way. I mean probably should. 366 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: There's when you see statistics like this, like I saw 367 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: a map recently that showed the obesity rates by every state, 368 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: and if you go back to the nineties and look 369 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: at the same map, the state in the nineties that 370 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: had the highest obesity rate now is actually a lower 371 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: than the state now that has the lowest obesity rate. 372 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: Like that, things have shifted so much dramatically over time, 373 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: and when you look at those sort of society wide numbers, 374 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: you realize there are big picture, systemic things happening here 375 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: that are so much, so much further beyond just obviously 376 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: people have agency and I don't want to tell anybody 377 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: they can't improve their lives and make their situation better. 378 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: But I also think people need to cut themselves some slack. 379 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: That this is a massive society wide trend that is 380 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: driven by some huge factors. I mean, obviously like big AG, 381 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: big food, the way we've been like systematically lied to 382 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: thanks to the corrupting influence of big companies in terms 383 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: of what actual nutritional guidance should look like and what 384 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: is actually good for us and what is not good 385 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: for us. I mean, the sugar lobby has been and 386 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: big soda has been a tremendously negative impact in our society. 387 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: And by the way, the Washington Post also had an 388 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: article about how many of these so called dietitians are 389 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: now paid by the food industry to go on TikTok, 390 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: to go on Instagram, etc. And promote things that again 391 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: are just like flat out lies and further confused people 392 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: how even to make good choices for themselves and for 393 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: their kids. So there's a lot going on here. I 394 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, Sager, if you think that ozempic 395 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: can be any sort of a realistic like improvement. It's 396 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: a very kind, let alone solution, but it can be 397 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: an improvement. 398 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: I know doctors who are on one side. I know 399 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: doctors who are on the other side. I personally, here's 400 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: my belief. I do not believe that there can be 401 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: a quote unquote medical cure to such as systemic problem. 402 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: I don't believe in magic solutions. I don't believe in 403 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 2: magic pills. And I think there's always a catch. Now, 404 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: maybe the catch is better than the alternative. So for example, 405 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: people are like improvement, yeah, right, So people who are like, well, 406 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 2: I took it and then when I went off of it, 407 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: I gained my weight backs, and that means I have 408 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: to stay on it forever. And you know, I mean 409 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: that sounds very profitable for Novo no artisks or whatever 410 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: who's the manufacturer. So I used to start to get skeptical. 411 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: There's been previous also reports about like muscle mass loss 412 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: and also by people who use ozembit, but that could 413 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: also be biased to the population who wants to, you know, 414 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: lose a little bit of weight and gain some muscle. 415 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: We're not talking about the morbidly obese. 416 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: I you genuinely don't know. I think there needs to 417 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: be a lot of study. 418 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 2: But like I said, I am just skeptical of some 419 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: sort of like one size fits all pills solution that 420 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: you have to take on a consistent basis. Side effects 421 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: can be numerous, you know, there's lots of stuff about 422 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: and just in general, like slowing down your gut. When 423 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: you tell me that and that's the solution, I'm just like, 424 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Like, I don't know how. 425 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: Exactly this all works out. 426 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: However, that could be better than being morbidly obese and 427 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: being seven hundred pounds, so, you know, maybe that is 428 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: an answer. 429 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 3: I think it's probably a case by case basis that 430 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: people can make. 431 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: Especially for people who are morbidly morbidly obese, I think 432 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: that is so horrifically bad for you that getting out 433 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: of that is, you know, is the most imperative thing 434 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: that you can do for your health. The question then 435 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: comes for people who are like on the edge, who 436 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: are overweight and or on the obesity line, like what's 437 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: the best way to get there. 438 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: I'm still a big believer in the tools. 439 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: Like mother nature gave us, which is diet, exercise, and 440 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: it's just very incredibly, incredibly hard even for people who 441 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: are just blend, people who have money, will power and 442 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 2: all that the modern environment is not set up for 443 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: you to sucty eight, and I just I don't know 444 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: what the I mean. We've talked about this. It's like 445 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: when you want to walk ten thousand steps. Yeah, if 446 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: you have any semblance of a desk job, it sucks. 447 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: Like you'll be like it's like six pm, You're like, Okay, 448 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: I got to go for a one hour and fifteen 449 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: minute walk today. 450 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, or carving out moment in your day. 451 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: And I've been trying to burn like five hundred calories 452 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: of cardio per day on top of any resist. 453 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: It takes me like an hour and a half. Maybe 454 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: I'm just slow, maybe, but it's also. 455 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean in other countries that have rely more on 456 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: walking public transportation, like when I lived in New York City, 457 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: absolutely it was built in I walk to work every day. 458 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: It was roughly like you know, a little over a 459 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: mile in each direction. And so just like built into 460 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: my day is at least three miles of walking without 461 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: ever going to the gym. And so when so much 462 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: of are like the way our cities and towns are 463 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 1: constructed is just about you know, getting in the car 464 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, there's no there's like basically zero physical activity 465 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: built into the average Americans day. That's one thing. Then 466 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: you know you have all of the We subsidize things 467 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: like corn. That's why there's like every type of corn 468 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: in your food every day, high fruit shows corn syrup 469 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: and whatever. We subsidize things that are unhealthy. We make 470 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: junk food like the cheek food that you can possibly buy, 471 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: and then we turn around and wonder like, oh, why 472 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: why do we have these skyrocketing obesity And. 473 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: Then evening, you know, even things like rice, it's like, well, 474 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: you can make the rice, you can soak the rice, 475 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: you can put it in the rice kicker, or you 476 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: can buy that Uncle Ben's five minute rice. It sounds 477 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: pretty nice. It's but it's super processed. And it's like, well, 478 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: if you're busy, what are you going to do? I 479 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: have so total sympathy, you know, I see moms and 480 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: stuff at the grocery store. If we've got like three 481 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: screaming children, I'm like listen, you know for you. 482 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: Like that is another thing, isn't it? 483 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: Like the amount of hours that we work, how stretched 484 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: people are having to work two and three jobs? Like 485 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: you think you have time to cook some like perfect 486 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: healthful meal, even if you could afford the ingredients that 487 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: would entail, and we make it impossible for people to succeed, 488 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: and then we only look at like the individual part, 489 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: which again and blame them, which again, Listen. I don't 490 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: ever want to take away from people the agency who 491 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: improve their life to make changes that are going to 492 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: help them in whatever they're going through. But when you 493 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: only are focused on the like you know, pull yourself 494 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: up by the bootstraps conversation, and you're not looking at 495 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: these overall trends, I think that can be very dishonest, 496 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: and I think it can also end up being extremely 497 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: unhelpful for the people that most need that assistance. 498 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 5: Totally agree. 499 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 6: Pew Research Center survey finds that everybody thinks everything sucks. 500 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 7: Yes, and for more details on that. Basically, the breaking 501 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 7: news is that Americans have correctly assessed the state of America. Yes, 502 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 7: so this is a new research from PU We can 503 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 7: put the element up on the screen where majorities of 504 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 7: Americans say the political process is dominated by special interests, 505 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 7: flooded with campaign cash, admirred and partisan warfare. Elected officials, 506 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 7: Peugh goes on to say, are widely viewed as self 507 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 7: serving and as ineffective. And Pew says that actually, this 508 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 7: study finds quote no single focal point for the public's dissatisfaction. 509 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 7: There's widespread criticism of the three branches of government, both 510 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 7: political parties as well as political leaders and candidates for office. 511 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 7: Now this is they say, coming amid historically high levels 512 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 7: of voter turnout in national elections. So they find that 513 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 7: contrast to be somewhat interesting. I think it's worth noting 514 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 7: some specific results here. Just four percent of US adults 515 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 7: say the political system is working extremely well or very well. 516 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 5: Four percent. 517 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 7: That's not just among people who say extremely well. That's 518 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 7: extremely well and very well. Another twenty three percent say 519 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 7: it is working somewhat well. About six and ten say 520 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 7: they have not too much confidence or no confidence at 521 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 7: all in the future of the US political system. Pew 522 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 7: says positive views of many governmental and political institutions are 523 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 7: at historic lows. Just sixteen percent of the public will 524 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 7: say they trust the federal government always or most of 525 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 7: the time. That's even including people who say most of 526 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 7: the time. Again, usually you can see numbers like that 527 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 7: for people saying, oh, I always trust this or that, 528 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 7: But you're concluding both of those views. That's extremely bad 529 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 7: for America. Obviously, it goes without saying. Now, while trust 530 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 7: has hovered near historic lows Pew says for the better 531 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 7: part of the last twenty years, today it stands among 532 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 7: the lowest levels dating back nearly seven decades, and more 533 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 7: Americans have an unfavorable than favorable opinion of the Supreme Court. 534 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 7: That's the first time this has occurred in polling going 535 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 7: back to late nineteen eighties. A growing share of the 536 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 7: public dislikes both political parties. Nearly three and ten express 537 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 7: unfavorable views of both parties, the highest share in three 538 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 7: decades of polling, and a comparable share of adults do 539 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 7: not feel very represented by either party, and candidate choices 540 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 7: are under wellming. Sixty three percent of Americans say they're 541 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 7: dissatisfied with the presidential candidates that have emerged so far. Now, 542 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 7: I was actually going to make that point too, in 543 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 7: that we have a leading candidate for the Republican nomination 544 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 7: that is not participating in the debate so far, and 545 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 7: we also have a president that is currently the sitting 546 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 7: president of the US who is not debating despite actually 547 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 7: the majority of his party. It's not, of course, it's 548 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 7: normal for the president not to engage in the debates 549 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 7: during the primary process, but his voters are on the 550 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 7: side of wanting him to debate. Most of his own 551 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 7: voters think he's too old to be in elected office 552 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 7: right now. So you have even among the party voters 553 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 7: for the two main political parties right now, dissatisfaction with 554 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 7: the leading candidates, both of those leading candidates clinging to 555 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 7: their power. And this is as you have six and 556 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 7: ten Americans saying they have not too much or no 557 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 7: confidence at all the future of the US right. We 558 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 7: see numbers like this all of the time. It's no 559 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 7: real surprise. You're always going to have some level of 560 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 7: distrust high with some institutions. You're not always going to 561 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 7: have perfect trust across all institutions. But man, these numbers 562 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 7: are steep. 563 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 5: They're really bad. 564 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 6: And there are contradictions within these numbers and within the 565 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 6: views that people are holding that can't be worked out 566 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 6: by the political system necessarily, and one of them being 567 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 6: that essentially a number one thing that people say, besides 568 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 6: complaints about politicians, that people say to Pew here is 569 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 6: that they don't like the way that partisan that the 570 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 6: way that things have become so partisan that they think 571 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 6: that Democrats and Republicans care more about fighting each other 572 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 6: than they care about solving the problems of the country. 573 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 6: Like massive numbers of people agree with that obviously true statement. 574 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 6: At the same time, they also and other Pew surveys 575 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 6: and somewhat in this one express their deeply, deeply negative 576 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 6: views about the other party. So they are expressing the 577 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 6: very thing that they think in aggregate is bad. But 578 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 6: that's and that's why it can't be worked out because 579 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 6: while everybody agrees what the problems are, people disagree on 580 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 6: what the solutions are. 581 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 5: Like everybody agrees that, you know, the two. 582 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 6: Party system stinks, but nobody agreed nobody certainly the parties 583 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 6: are not going to agree to dissolve themselves and allowing 584 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 6: new parties or a multi party system, nor would there 585 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 6: even be a mechanic for that outside of like a 586 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 6: constitutional convention. And then everybody agrees that, uh, partisanship is 587 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 6: the problem, but they will say that it's the other 588 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 6: side that just needs to go away and stop, you know, 589 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 6: being in the way of things. 590 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 7: Well, and this, by the way, is why the whole 591 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 7: mansion no Labels movement that John Huntsmen are resolve that 592 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 7: contradiction at all, right, and it actually is, it's the 593 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 7: exact opposite. Read So they look at polls like this, 594 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 7: and by the way, P did a word bubble of 595 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 7: American's top description in the current state of politics. Biggest 596 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 7: word is divisive. But then the second biggest word is corrupt, messy, bad, polarized, chaos, dysfunctional, crazy. 597 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 7: One of them is just shit. 598 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: Wh it'sp blurped out. 599 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 7: But like, they look at this and they say, oh, 600 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 7: big opening for the no label's movement to the point 601 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 7: where they're seriously flirting with a third party presidential bid. 602 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 7: And they really are. 603 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 6: But what right, What they're forgetting is two things. One, 604 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 6: lots of people who are independence and don't like one 605 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 6: of other parties, disagree with each other. You've got right 606 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 6: wing independence, you got left wing independence, and then you 607 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 6: got independence who are kind of all. 608 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 5: Over the place. 609 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 6: And then you have independence who are kind of checked 610 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 6: out and they're like sort of pay attention to the news, 611 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 6: sort of sort of don't might show up for the election, 612 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 6: might not. And to say that all forty percent of 613 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 6: those people like would then support Joe Manchin through no 614 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 6: labels is absurd and then your point about the corruption 615 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 6: and money in politics is key, because No Labels is 616 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 6: funded by dark money, like private equity goons, people who 617 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 6: own baseball stadiums, like secretly writing checks to get this party, 618 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 6: this non party, No Labels party on the ballot in 619 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 6: fifty states. Who for what purpose? Who knows why, who's 620 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 6: to benefit, who's funding it? And so the idea that 621 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 6: you would approach a population that is saying it's one 622 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 6: of its top concerns is the corruption of politics by 623 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 6: by big moneyed interests, then you'd come at them with 624 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 6: seventy million dollars in dark money supporting Joe Manchin and 625 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 6: Larry Hogan and Lisa Murkowski or whatever, and that they're 626 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 6: going to and that everybody from the socialist left to 627 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 6: the libertarian right who are registered as independents are going 628 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 6: to like flock behind that. It's like give that money back, 629 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 6: you're stealing it from them, but actually it should all 630 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 6: be confiscated. 631 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 7: They don't want that, I mean nobody, absolutely nobody wants that. 632 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 7: And when compromises are brokered in Washington, it's by industry, 633 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 7: it's by lobbyists. And so if you're ever hearing Joe 634 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 7: Manchin say, there's like the problem solver Caucus. 635 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 5: Yeah right, it's a no labels product. 636 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, And they have like it's it's all 637 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 7: just like established from politicians that are so close to 638 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 7: the center on the right and the left that they 639 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 7: can sit in a room together. It's not bringing you know, 640 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 7: Matt Gates together with Alexandria Casio Cortes and some centrist 641 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 7: Josh Gottheimer. 642 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 3: Right, if you can do. 643 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 7: That, then talk to us. But you actually, what you 644 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 7: want to do is relegate both of the populist wings 645 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 7: to the fringes right further, and you want the sort 646 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 7: of adults in the room is what they like to 647 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 7: call themselves to take over. 648 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 6: That was the explicit mandate of no labels. No Labels 649 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 6: launched after the Tea Party wave and then surged, surged 650 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 6: as like as you know, it's fifty people give a 651 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 6: lot of money after Bernie Sanders, and so their argument 652 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 6: was the Tea Party is bad, Bernie Sanders is bad. 653 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 6: You know, let's let's build a wall of money and 654 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 6: keep these angry people out. Yeah yeah, and they think 655 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 6: that that that's the solution to the crisis. 656 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 5: Nugget. 657 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's amazing, but it's also amazing to me that 658 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 7: you can have this level. 659 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: It's like when. 660 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 7: People say they lament the level of trust in media, 661 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 7: a lot of journalists all the time will be like frothing. 662 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 7: They're very upset because trust in media is low. And 663 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 7: for me, I'm like Lois, I'm like, oh, thank god, 664 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 7: Like these numbers are low, because genuinely, if numbers and 665 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 7: trust in media were high right now, and they've been 666 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 7: higher than they should be in the past, but like 667 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 7: people have caught on to the media's corruption and lies, 668 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 7: that's a good thing. It's bad for the country that 669 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 7: we can't trust the media, but it's good that we 670 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 7: recognize we can't trust the media because then you can 671 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 7: sort of look to different sources and you can make 672 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 7: decisions in it in a different way. 673 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 5: But then, but then some of. 674 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 6: Those sources have their own agendas and are then just 675 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 6: feeling a vacuum, and we're just manipulating people themselves. 676 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 7: This is this is all a thinly veiled Oh I 677 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 7: don't know. I think you do a pretty good job 678 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 7: failing it, Ryan, This is all a veiled advertisement for 679 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 7: Ryan's new mushroom company, Psychedelic Company, is all he will 680 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 7: phone trust. 681 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 5: There's no realities. You might as well just enjoy these much. 682 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 7: And then he steps into the vacuum and sells you psychedelic. 683 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 5: Right. 684 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 7: But in all seriousness, there's no answer to this. I mean, 685 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 7: that's like, that's probably the biggest problem. The answer is 686 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 7: either no labels or. 687 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 6: I think this wave might be cresting, I think, and 688 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 6: that maybe we can't see it because Trump is still around. 689 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 5: And he's going to be around for a very long time. 690 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 6: But I feel like, at least on the democratic side, 691 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 6: there's a lot of people are checking out, like you've 692 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 6: seen st worries about big Democratic donors and small democratic 693 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 6: donors are stepping back in a big way from and 694 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 6: I think that part of that is this wave that 695 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 6: we saw from twenty seven sixteen seventeen, with Trump coming 696 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 6: in and everybody everybody experiencing politics as this like minute 697 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 6: to minute phenomenon is unsustainable, and I think people gradually 698 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 6: are kind of pulling back from it, though they will 699 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 6: return through twenty twenty four as Trump, you know, exerts 700 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 6: his gravitational force on our political field. But I think 701 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 6: that that's obviously that is temporary, and I think it's 702 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 6: possible that we're seeing a fading on the right, though, 703 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 6: Are you seeing a decoupling a little bit for the 704 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 6: connection or. 705 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 5: People just as frothing at the mouth as they always were. 706 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 7: No. I think it's a huge problem on the right 707 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 7: because it's so specifically attached to Donald Trump, and the 708 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 7: Trump factor looms over absolutely every other conversation. So if 709 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 7: you want to have a same conversation that would appeal 710 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 7: to the average voter about weaponization of the Department of Justice, 711 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 7: you're going to have to be litigating these completely thorny 712 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 7: cases against Donald Trump, where some of them it's like, Okay, 713 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 7: did he do something wrong? 714 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 3: Yes? 715 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 7: Would they be bringing charges against Biden if he did this? 716 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 7: Probably not, And it gets tangled up in these kind 717 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 7: of meta discussions instead of the central discussions. And so 718 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 7: that means the entire sort of populist movement is specifically 719 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 7: tied to one man, and that one man happens to 720 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 7: be very unpopular outside of this sort of Trump base. 721 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 7: He might be something that people tolerate and will vote 722 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 7: for if their other train is Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton, 723 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 7: but sort of in a broad sense, he's not like 724 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 7: a popular you know, someone who's going to like build 725 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 7: bridges between this wide swath of voters and left and 726 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 7: the right. He's pretty unpopular and if you look at 727 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 7: his numbers, and that's a big problem because it means 728 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 7: Republicans who are trying to broaden the base and are 729 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 7: trying to let some populism in the door have to 730 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 7: contend with that, and that makes the populism unpopular. 731 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, in the short version of the few survey rails, 732 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 6: nobody likes this, but this is what we got. 733 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 5: We're going to keep modeling forward. 734 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 8: We're going to keep you exactly all right. 735 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 5: To stick around for more modeling. 736 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 9: You know, it's funny you wouldn't tell an employer that 737 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 9: you plan to put in so little effort that if 738 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 9: you put in any less effort, it would be illegal. 739 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 9: And yet that is exactly what minimum wage is. And 740 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 9: is it possible to live anywhere on a US's minimum 741 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 9: wage and not just subsists, not just barely scrape by, 742 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 9: but experience some level of comfort because the origin of 743 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 9: the minimum wage in the US is a commitment to 744 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 9: the idea that if you're working full time, you shouldn't 745 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 9: have to experience poverty. You work forty hours a week, whatever, 746 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 9: you're doing developing software or working on as semay line 747 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 9: or behind a deep fryer. You should be able to 748 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 9: relax after work and not worry about whether or not 749 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 9: you have enough money to both pay rent and eat. 750 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 8: In the late eighteen hundred. 751 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 9: Sweatshops were a big issue in the US, and one 752 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 9: way of combating this was to institute a minimum wage. 753 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 8: In nineteen thirty eight. This was set at twenty five cents. 754 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 9: When FDR was pushing for this legislation, he called it 755 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 9: a living wage, saying that no business which depends for 756 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 9: existence on paying less than living wages to its workers. 757 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 8: Has any right to continue in this country. And he 758 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 8: meant every. 759 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 9: Single business and every single worker. And he went out 760 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 9: of his way to clarify living wage as a decent wage. 761 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 9: And this was when he was pushing for a minimum wage. 762 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 9: So I think it's safe to say that a minimum 763 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 9: wage was meant to be a decent page, fair day's 764 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 9: work for a fair day's wage. So, now that I've 765 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 9: said wage too many times, where do you have to 766 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 9: go to live on the US federal minimum wage? 767 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 5: Okay? 768 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 9: So I'm in New York and here minimum wage is 769 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 9: fifteen dollars an hour. If you're working forty hours a week, 770 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 9: you are going to be left with about eighteen hundred 771 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 9: dollars a month after taxes. Well, if you should spend 772 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 9: roughly a third of your income on rent, that's six 773 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 9: hundred dollars a month, which is insane. Here, let's see 774 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 9: what that gets you. Nothing, which is why New Yorkers 775 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 9: spend more like two thirds of their income on rent. 776 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 9: So what can we get for less than twelve hundred dollars? 777 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 9: Two apartments in the entire city under twelve hundred at 778 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 9: least on this site. But one thousand dollars for an 779 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 9: apartment is really good. So one thousand dollars plus a 780 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 9: subway tasks, three hundred dollars on food, two hundred and 781 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 9: four electric, gas, internet, and your phone. 782 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 8: It's gonna be really tough. 783 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 9: Even if you find a roommate situation where you can 784 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 9: save a few hundred dollars on you're not going to 785 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 9: have much leftover at the end of the month to 786 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 9: get drinks with friends or see a movie. 787 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 8: Obviously a child is going to. 788 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 9: Be way over the budget. Definitely don't do that. But 789 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 9: you know what, in New York that's one of the 790 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 9: most expensive places in the world. There are places in 791 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 9: the US, I'm sure with a way lower cost of living. 792 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 9: So where could you live? According to the Bureau of 793 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 9: Economic Analysis, Arkansas has the lowest cost of living. Median 794 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 9: rent for a studio apartment is five hundred and twenty 795 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 9: eight dollars. 796 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 8: Eight hundred and. 797 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 9: Sixty dollars is what the average person spends on their 798 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 9: car and transportation, two hundred and fifty dollars for food, 799 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 9: two hundred and four electric gas, internet. 800 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 8: And your phone. 801 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 9: If you can delete the car because you just happen 802 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 9: to live near some public transit that may actually be 803 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 9: really cheap. Let's say you are so lucky and you 804 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 9: never have to stay at work until nine or ten 805 00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 9: after the. 806 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 8: Bus stopped running. 807 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 9: Well, hey, you could be doing worse, and it just 808 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 9: so happens that a living wage in Arkansas is fifteen 809 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 9: dollars and twenty five cents, not too far off. One problem, though, 810 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 9: Arkansas's minimum wage is not fifteen dollars an hour. 811 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 8: It's eleven. 812 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 9: But you know what, you're still doing a lot better 813 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 9: than all these states that are making seven to twenty 814 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 9: five an hour. Now, as it turns out, only about 815 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 9: two percent of the workforce make exactly minimum wage. But 816 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 9: that's one point six million people. And yes, some of 817 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 9: them are teenagers, but most of them are not. And 818 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 9: these are only the people making exactly federal minimum wage. 819 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 9: There are a lot more people making seven fifty seven 820 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 9: to seventy five eight nine dollars an hour. About fourteen 821 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,479 Speaker 9: percent of all US workers make fifteen dollars an hour 822 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 9: or less. That's nineteen million people on average. 823 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 8: For the United States. 824 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 9: If this is the poverty threshold, and this is a 825 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 9: living wage, this is minimum wage. If you're splitting the 826 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 9: rent with someone, it gets easier. But as soon as 827 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 9: you add a couple kids to that, the gap between 828 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 9: you and poverty gets a little smaller, and the gap 829 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 9: between you and comfort gets a lot bigger. So where 830 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 9: can you live on seven to twenty five? Well, Belgium 831 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 9: has a lower cost of living. Maybe you could move 832 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 9: to Belgium. Belgium's poverty line is one three hundred and 833 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 9: sixty six euros for a single person. The work week 834 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 9: there is thirty eight hours, and the minimum wage before 835 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 9: taxes is one nine hundred and fifty five euros. For 836 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 9: some reason, you move to Belgium and you're working remotely 837 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 9: from the US making the US minimum wage a scenario 838 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 9: I can't imagine exists outside of this video, but that's 839 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,959 Speaker 9: the game we're playing. At seven twenty five an hour, 840 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 9: it would take almost seventy two hours a week to 841 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 9: make the Belgium's minimum wage, So. 842 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 8: Belgium is out. 843 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 9: The UK also has a lower cost of living. Again, 844 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 9: why are you working remote from England making an American's 845 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 9: minimum wage? 846 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 8: That makes no sense. 847 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 9: Evidently, a living wage in the UK is ten pounds 848 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 9: ninety The minimum wage there is ten forty two, so 849 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 9: they're lagging behind a little bit as well. And in pounds, 850 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 9: the US federal minimum wage comes to five eighty five, 851 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 9: which is apparently the minimum wage for sixteen year olds there. 852 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 8: Not doing so great. Uruguay is pretty affordable. 853 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 9: Looks like you can live for as little as fourteen 854 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 9: thousand US dollars there, and as far as I can tell, 855 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 9: they won't charge taxes on income that is earned outside 856 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 9: the country, but you do still have to pay American 857 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 9: taxes on that money earned, so that's too much for 858 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 9: US as well. It goes without saying it's almost impossible 859 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 9: to buy a house when you're making minimum wage it's 860 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 9: only the rarest of circumstances that will allow you to 861 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 9: pull this off. But this didn't have to be the case. 862 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 9: Economist Dean Baker explains that until nineteen sixty eight, the 863 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,919 Speaker 9: minimum wage not only kept pace with inflation, it rose 864 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 9: in step with productivity growth, which, according to him, would 865 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 9: place minimum wage at more like twenty four dollars an hour, 866 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 9: which would make it way more possible for a couple 867 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 9: each earning minimum wage to actually buy a home. Clearly, 868 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 9: that is not the timeline we're living in, Okay, So 869 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 9: moving down the cost of living list by country, you 870 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 9: can live in Taiwan for eleven hundred dollars a month, 871 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 9: but again seven to twenty five take home is more 872 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 9: like nine to fifty a month. 873 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 8: Cuba cost of living is nine to ninety five. Getting closer. 874 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,280 Speaker 9: Continuing down the list, the first place that we find 875 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 9: that's under nine to fifty a month take home is Jordan. 876 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 9: The cost of living for a single person with an 877 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 9: apartment outside out of a city center is apparently nine 878 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 9: hundred and twenty dollars a month. Some cursory and lazy 879 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 9: research has confirmed this, the point being if you make 880 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 9: seven dollars and twenty five cents an hour. There are 881 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 9: places you can go where it will be a decent living. 882 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 9: Those places just are in America. Also, it will be 883 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,720 Speaker 9: thousands of dollars for you to actually move to those places, 884 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 9: So you're definitely trapped here no matter what. Fortunately, there 885 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 9: is progress being made, in no small part to groups 886 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 9: like five for fifteen states have individually raised their minimum 887 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 9: wage and brought more and more people into a higher 888 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 9: standard of living. As far as what's going on federally 889 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 9: right now, the Republicans have a bill that would raise 890 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 9: the minimum wage to eleven dollars an hour, which clearly 891 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 9: isn't enough, and it's only for people who can prove citizenship, 892 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 9: which means it will exclude the probably five million undocumented 893 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 9: workers in the US. But you know what, if you're 894 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 9: not slipping poison pills and needless cruelty into the bills 895 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 9: you're authoring, that takes the whole sport. 896 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,439 Speaker 8: Out of legislating, right. 897 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 9: But a much better bill was introduced this summer in 898 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 9: the Raise the Wage Act of twenty twenty three, which 899 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 9: would bring the federal minimum wage to seventeen dollars an 900 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 9: hour by twenty twenty eight, which is much closer to 901 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,319 Speaker 9: what we actually need in this country, and that will 902 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 9: do it for me. I hope you found this video interesting. 903 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 9: I hope you learned something. 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