1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: For the Greeks, wine was considered one of the most 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: important gifts from the gods to mankind. They believed it 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: could bring relief from suffering in sorrow. Today's episode is 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: all about wine. My name is Evil Longoria and I 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: am and welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: explores our past and present through food. On every episode, 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the history of some of our favorite dishes, ingredients, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: and beverages. So make yourself at home. Eh. Okay, Now, 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: this truly is my favorite episode. Like, I don't even 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: know if I like anything more than this wine. Wine, Okay, wine. 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: We're still in Spain. Yes, we're getting a lot done 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: and having out a lot of fun, including drinking a 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: lot of wine because we're in Spain. I just love 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Spanish wine. Is that your favorite? Or like what? I 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: love wine? But what is wine? Whom it? At? First? 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: I need to know where this started. Well, that's the 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: big thing. Eastern Europe Western Asia. Like six thousand BC 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: they say Georgia, Georgia, Atlanta Georgia, not Atlanta Georgia, So 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: George Georgia, intersection of Eastern Europe and Western Asia. Six 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: thousand BC, they were producing lines there on a large 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: scale eight thousand years ago, which is crazy, pressing it 22 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: in the mountains, fermenting it, pouring it into these small jugs, 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: and then transporting it to all these villages when it 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: was ready to drink. Yeah, that's super sophisticated for being 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: six thousand BC. Six BC. And eventually it's spread, you know, 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: it made its way all the way west eastern Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: the Egyptian kings used to drink wine all the way 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: to Greece, basically to the Mediterranean, and then eventually it's spread. 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: But it was only it was mostly for the wealthy, 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: no for for yeah, it was in that time. It 31 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: was like pharaohs, like you said, yeah, Pharaohs and the 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: ancient Greeks considered wine a gift of the gods, you know, Dionysus, 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: the god of wine. So the cultivation of wine viticulture 34 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: has been around for thousands before Jesus turned it in 35 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: water into wine. Before wait, before, we're in Spain, and 36 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: obviously there's such an old world history here with Spain. 37 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: I want to know, like I want to trace the 38 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: history from this country to Mexico because okay, you know 39 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: we talked about Mexico a lot. And how did wine 40 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: spread out of this continent Asia Europe into the New World, 41 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: into the New World with a conquest of course, everything 42 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: with the colonization, Yeah, exactly, that's how it made its 43 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: way to the New World. Wine has been cultivated in 44 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: this area since between four thousand and three thousand BC, 45 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: so wine has been cultivated in Spain four thousands of years. 46 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: The Phoenicians, who were from Eastern Europe, they established all 47 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: of these you know, cities in different parts of Spain, 48 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: particularly Gutties, and they were the ones that really started 49 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: to to make wines on a large scale. And during 50 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: the Roman Empire, most Spanish wines were considered very cheap 51 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: and of low quality, but people love them, especially when 52 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: we move forward to the Middle Ages to the thirteenth century. 53 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Spanish wine was regularly shipped to England. The quality was 54 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: not that great, but the English liked it because it 55 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: was high in alcohol, but it wasn't considered very high quality. 56 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: And it's funny. The Roman writer Avid who wrote The Metamorphosis, 57 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: he described Spanish wines is being good to get your 58 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: date drunk on. This is like in the pre me 59 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: too Roman Empire, which is crazy, which is crazy to 60 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: think that. But mainly it was just highly alcoholic, not 61 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: considered high quality. I mean, now, of course it is 62 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: considered a high quality. But post conquest wine was brought 63 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: over to Mexico. So wine growing in Mexico began pretty 64 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: early on in the in the New World. In the 65 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: mid nineteenth century, the great French wine blight, which was 66 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: this the bug, the bug that came from North America 67 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: philox Era, and it was brought from you know, United States, 68 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: and this bug just destroyed all the French vineyards in 69 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, around eight just stroyed a bunch of vineyards 70 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: here too in Spain, but mostly France and a little 71 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: bit of Spain, but a lot of Spanish vineyards sent 72 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: their grapes to France so they could still keep making wine. 73 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: So a lot of the wine in that particular Apoca 74 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: time period, time period era that era, uh, were technically 75 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Spanish wine. So interesting. I didn't not know that, but 76 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: the French won't admit it, of course not. But and 77 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: then they what they found was that they were these 78 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: two French wine growers that were like, hey, why don't 79 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: we graft the resistant American rootstock that was not dying 80 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: from this, you know, Filix Serra and grafted it with 81 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: the French vine, and the French growers were like, absolutely not, 82 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: no American wine, no American New World vines will grow here. 83 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: But they found themselves with no other option, and they 84 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: found that the method did remedy the disease. And then 85 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: that's what like re surfaced or it's called the reconstitution 86 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: that many vineyards eventually was able to return to normality. 87 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: So American wines saved French. All French wines today have 88 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: are grafted from this American vine. So it's half half half. 89 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: But I had a French guy tell me he's I 90 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: could leave it to the Americans do cause the problem 91 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: and then solve it. That's so true though, That is 92 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: so true. But that's interesting about Spanish grapes because Spanish 93 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: grapes same thing with its Blans getting Spanish olives and 94 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Gian olive oil, and you're like, but they're Spanish olives, 95 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: So why is that? I don't know, Spain doesn't get 96 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: the credited they doesn't, it really does. Ronomically. I totally 97 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: get how how wine made it to New Spain. Yeah, 98 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: because obviously the conquest, but most people don't associate wine 99 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: with Mexico. No, not at all, they really don't. It's 100 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: not really a wine drink. I mean, people drink wine. 101 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: But when you think of Mexican alcohol, you think of 102 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: the Kila, you think of mescal, you don't think of wine. Right, So, 103 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: and it was the first country in the America's to 104 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,119 Speaker 1: have wine, to make wine. It was the very first one. 105 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: And the first wine plants we were planted in fift 106 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: so just three years after the conquest. But just like 107 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: olive oil, right that we talked about, olive oil was 108 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: was banned in seventeen seventy seven controls the third said 109 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: no more olive oil because you're competing with our olive oil. 110 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: So this similar thing happened with wine a hundred years earlier. 111 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: In six King Charles the second of Spain issued an 112 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: edict prohibiting wine production in New Spain. And you can 113 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: only produce wine sacramental wine. That's it, just for the church. 114 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: So of course the priests were making wines and the 115 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: nuns and the nuns they weren't just using it for 116 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, for for church purposes. Wine making remained in 117 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: the hands of the clergy for over a century. And 118 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: then after the Mexican independence in eighteen twenty nine, wine 119 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: making was no longer prohibited so right, and wine making 120 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: for personal purposes was no longer of it did so 121 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: that is when the production of wine in Mexico began 122 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: to rise again. So it was basically smushed for about 123 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: two hundred years. So and and like you said, yes, 124 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Mexican wine, it's not really known for its wine, and 125 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: this is why it's not really known for its olive oil. 126 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: And basically this is why because the Spaniards didn't want 127 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: any competition, right, but Mexican the Mexican Revolution also affected 128 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: anybody who had a vineyard in Mexico because they just 129 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: they were left unattended. Although everybody had to go to war, 130 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: they fought. It was like this huge revolution. So a 131 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: lot of the lands were destroyed or like abandoned by 132 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: their owners. So that also set back the wine industry 133 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: in Mexico. They've had all these obstacles, so many obstacles 134 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: over the centuries. We didn't even have the climate for it. Yeah, 135 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: there was, Yeah, the very good wine in Mexico's only 136 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: in the Guardupe. Only ten percent of Mexico grows wine, 137 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: right the via the Gualla Loupe is the one that's 138 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: most known for wine right now. It's sort of like 139 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: a big, a big up and coming thing, and it's beautiful. 140 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't amazing whites, by the way. But the first 141 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: commercially produced wine in Mexico dates to fifte seven. This 142 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: is in the oldest vineyard in Mexico that was producing 143 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: commercially is in Kuawela in northern Mexico. It's still around today, 144 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: and it was by Sakon. He was an Italian. Was 145 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: an Italian, of course, this is why I like Italian wine. 146 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: Was Italian, but he was a priest. He was our photographer. 147 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: He was a geographer commonly referred to as barrio. And 148 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: there's a wine called I remember. I remember that my 149 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: grandfather used to drink this wine Barin no wine. He 150 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: was all about the Mexican wines. It was like a 151 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: bulbous bottle and it had like a woven net around 152 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: it around it. I think it was like a cheap wine. 153 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: I think it still. This is what he used to drink, 154 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: and it was like it's like a thing. It said 155 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: that the local grapevines did not produce wine of a 156 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: caliber satisfactory to Spanish colonizers. So my grandfather drank it. 157 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere hungry for history will be right back. 158 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: How did you get into one? I don't. I didn't. 159 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: I didn't like it growing up. I didn't drink growing up. 160 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean growing up meaning college when everybody was like 161 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: in twenty one, I couldn't wait now, I didn't drink 162 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: till I was like thirty. Really, yeah, I was a 163 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: late drinker. And when I started, it was like with 164 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: re slings in these really sweet white wines, which I 165 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: think everybody starts with. And then I progressively got to 166 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: a peanut noir and I was like, who fancy fancy? 167 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: And now I'm like, big bold, don't give me a 168 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: peanut noir. So can you tell the difference when you 169 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: drink a while? You can? You can tell where it's 170 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: that's really, that's California, really Asians. Yeah, I could take 171 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: a basic Amlier one on one test, and I could. 172 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: I could be a basic Amlia, not a master Sumil. 173 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: But I know my grapes, I know my regions. Did 174 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: you study or just from just so? I did studying? Um, yeah, 175 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: I studied it by drinking. No, I'm just kidding, but 176 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: that's a that's a way to learn. Let something. Two 177 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: things that really helped me during COVID. I read Wine 178 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: for Dummies. You've mentioned that, which is the best book 179 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: if you want to know about wine. Wine for Dummies 180 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: is one of the best resource books anything for dummies. 181 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: I have Constitution for Dummies. There are a great reason 182 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: I love all those dummy books because I'm a dummy 183 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: and so I like to read. I'm curious and I 184 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: want it laid out in a really simple way, just 185 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: tell me the basics. And that Wine for Dummies was fantastic. 186 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: And the second thing that's really helped me is this 187 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: app called Vivino. Yes, I have it, I love it. 188 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: It's great. Somebody told me about it recently and now 189 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: like label and it's a great And the great thing 190 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: is not only when you're in a restaurant some waiters 191 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: trying to upsell you a shitty bottle of wine. You 192 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: can like, take a picture, look at the rating, going 193 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: this is the shifty bottle of wine. Why are you 194 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: trying to sell me that? But within the description, it'll 195 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: say what great it is, what region it's from, the 196 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: profile it is you know anything, So do you think 197 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: for for people that want to start learning about wines, 198 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: do you think that's a good way to do it 199 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: and then just taste and figure out when they tells 200 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: you what you like. Because once you start ranking wines, 201 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: and I'll always rank my wine. So I'll have something 202 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: at a restaurant and I, oh, my god, I love 203 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: this wine. I rank it, I put I put a 204 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: review in there, and I'm like, this wine was like bold, 205 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: but like super smooth, not so many tannins, blah blah blah. 206 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: And then every so often it goes, you know, your 207 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: favorite type of wine is this great? And it tells 208 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: me or it'll say that was your first Barrello you've 209 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: ever rated, and I go oh, because I don't like Burrello's, 210 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's super great. That is great. So are 211 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the tannins. I can't even talk about that right now 212 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: until we drink this wine. You're getting you're getting ahead 213 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: of yourself, and I want to drink wine first, so 214 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: I have to wines. Here. Let's to the wine episode 215 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: that are from this region. This one from La which 216 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: is where we are. We are Cataluna, and this is 217 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: called single Pinks, which is in Catalan so the five 218 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: farms and it's I think grapes from all five parcels. 219 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: I guess, Oh, here we are that owns in the 220 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: Emporda region, five vineyards with soils of sand, silt, gravel, clay, 221 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: and slate. And this heterogenity allows us to make wines 222 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: with an extremely wide range of nuances like single fincas 223 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: aged for sixteen months in oak barrels. These are the 224 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: apes in it. Cabinet saban got not negra, some sat Mere, 225 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: low monastrel Sera, and cabinet Frank. This is a huge 226 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: blee and this is alcohol that's high for I think 227 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: it's high for a wine. Usually they're like, there's fourteen. 228 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: This is fifteen. So just trying this one first. Sure, yeah, 229 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: I love that sound. Thank you. Let's see what what 230 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: do you smell? This is where I need a lesson. 231 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is like leather. HMM's beautiful. It's a 232 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: beautiful color. It's a young wine. It is a beauty, 233 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: but it's very deep burgundy color, super deep. Oh god, 234 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: I didn't sell you, sal I had priorities. This is great. 235 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: I love this. That's lovely. I love this. So Tannin's 236 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: is when you feel that dryness right away in your mouth. 237 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: This isn't super dry, it's not It has Tannon's. Yeah, 238 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: it's not sweet, Yeah, not at all. This is really 239 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: nice though. It's very user friendly. It's super us different. 240 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: This would be a great table one m And then 241 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: this other one is from um So that's another region 242 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: in Spain. It's central Spain. See the map. Look at 243 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: the map. Okay, yeah, central Spain. It's in central Spain 244 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: and it's part of the region of Castilla de la Mancha. Okay, yeah, 245 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: all it has all the grapes in this region. Also 246 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: jabane sevenargota or low petite, Berdo, sarat and Bernio. Wow, 247 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: this one has a lot. Well, let's try to try 248 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: this one. It's similar to the other one in the 249 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: sense that they have color. Yep. This is also a 250 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: young one. Cheers, cheers. This is called the room. They 251 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: smell completely different. Yeah. Oh, this is super fruity. This 252 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: is much the first one was much more said leathery. 253 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm comparing this. This is like blackberries, cheery, Yeah, fruity. 254 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: I can see that light. I feel like I could 255 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: have this with even like with fish. It's super light. 256 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: I think I prefer the first one, it's sort of 257 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: it's hardy. I like it though, but I like this one. 258 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: But now I can talk to you about why now 259 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of drink? Do you prefer red's over whites? You know, 260 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: the best white in the world is red. No, the 261 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: best wine in the world is the one you enjoy 262 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: with friends. So when people try to go over the French, blue, Spanish, no, 263 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: I like this wine. And it doesn't matter the price, 264 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter the region, doesn't matter the great 265 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: it's it's the one you enjoy with friends. That's the 266 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: one speaking of white and red wine. When I was 267 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: reading Wine for Dummies, it's that no matter what color, 268 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: the grape, grape juice is clear. Is it just the 269 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: skin and the color. Yes. I do like a good 270 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: white wine as well, like a Savignon blanc. I like dry, dry, dry. 271 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: I like a sharden name. I don't I don't love chardonnay. 272 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: I feel like we have all said, how are we? 273 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: We don't like anything? We have enough. I know we're 274 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: doing a food podcast. If this was a political podcast, 275 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: it would be perfect because it would be very balanced 276 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: view of the world. That's true. I think that it 277 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: works good for palettes. There's different palettes in the world, 278 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: and this is why I were But let me tell you. 279 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: I love a savigna blanc. I love a savigna blanc. 280 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: I love a Chardonnay. I really have gotten into white 281 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: so lately I love a French burgundy. They're like my favorite. Um. 282 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the it's the how long you leave 283 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: the skins on an end. So peanut wars technically a red, 284 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: but it's a very faint more pink, not pink like 285 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: till this color dark, but it's very like yeah, transparent, 286 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: bold French Bordeaux. You it's like black. I mean it's 287 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: like dark and dense, which like the wine dark sea. Yeah, well, 288 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: we all know that the Greeks and Romans love to drink. 289 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: Did you know that the Greeks played drinking games? What? 290 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: Let's after the break? Natural wines is like this new movement. 291 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: It's technically ancient because it's going back to like its roots, 292 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: but it's it's this movement about winemakers using simple traditional methods. 293 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: So there's not like a definition, but it's usually means 294 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: it's produced without pesticides or herbicides and no added which 295 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: but it's natural wine means it's low intervention wine. Do 296 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: the least amount possible. It's like raw wine or cloudy. 297 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: I've tasted some natural wines and they're kind of like unfiltered. 298 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: It's produced on a small scale, usually and using traditional 299 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: rather than industrial techniques. I've had sulfate free wines. The 300 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: sulfates are put in wine to preserve like its freshness 301 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: and but protected from oxides, it oxidation or unwanted This 302 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: the wine, I'm not saying anything. Um does it does? 303 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: It does a preservative. So there's natural sulfites and added sulfites, 304 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: and so it's basically sulfur dioxide. Sulfur dioxide, Oh my god. 305 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: Sulfites are a preservative. So so the fermentation process doesn't 306 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: produce enough soul fites to create like the legendary wines 307 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: rich people love bragging about. So added sulfites preserved the 308 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: freshness and so it protects the wine from oxidizing and 309 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: make any unwanted bacteria and yeast. So like, without soul fights, 310 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: this is a This is a bonapetit article. By the way, 311 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: without soul fights, a nineteen sixty one boardeaux wine would 312 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: be considered trash and vinegar rather than a treasure, because 313 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: it's the soul fights that have kept that nineteen sixty 314 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: one Boardeaux wine tasting like I want, I'm glad that 315 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned that because this whole idea of the vintage 316 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: of the wine, it's something that the ancient Greeks were 317 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: all about. What do you mean, like the older it 318 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: was a better it wasn't. Yeah, wine drinking was synonymous 319 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: with civilization and refinement. The kind of wine that you 320 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: drank and the age of the wine indicated how cultured 321 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: you were. So if you said, you know, oh the 322 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: Sinko finguezead about from two thousand seventeen from this region 323 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: of da you know, wow, this was you were just amazing, 324 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: Like this was very fancy. And there's this really interesting 325 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: story Roman poem um the Satiric Con. Do you know this? 326 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: The sat Felini made a movie called The Satiric Con. 327 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: But this is based on a book that was written 328 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: in the first century and it's a commentary about the 329 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Roman upper classes. And there's a whole section about this 330 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: party and it's making fun of the elite and they're 331 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: talking about the you know, the vintage of a wine 332 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's sort of this interesting thing. But 333 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: this concept has been around for forever, or for for 334 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, thousands really, Now this concept of oh, yes, 335 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: this is a nineteen eighty two two was the best 336 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: year of Bordeaux? Is it really? So? As the vintages 337 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: are important, there they are. You know, there's a freeze 338 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: that happened, so that the whole harvest of that year 339 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: is ship or they had to pick the grapes early 340 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: because it was too hot, or they had to pick 341 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: the grapes later because there was a freeze. Like the 342 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: year does matter? Interesting? So let me ask you a questions. 343 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: So if because of the self fights, if you had 344 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: that bottle of wine and you opened it now in 345 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: three if you open the bottle now and drank it now, 346 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: is it going to taste exactly the same as a No, 347 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't. And it shouldn't so the sulfates jump 348 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: preserve the taste. No, it just makes it not turned 349 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: to vinegar, makes it not cork be corked or let 350 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: bacteria in. Okay, okay, your wine. Like that's why when 351 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: you have a young wine it tastes tight. I don't know, 352 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it, but it's like, oh, 353 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: that's tight. It hasn't opened up. But it hasn't. You 354 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: just needs time. Yeah, so like a young wine needs 355 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: to breathe because it needs to open up a little bit. 356 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: I went to the wine museum in Bordeaux. Dough has 357 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the most beautiful, comprehensive wine museum. It's stunning. But they 358 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: did you know, they were like Georgia, this like where 359 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: Western Asia meets Europe. That's where really wine started. The 360 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: first people to really produce wines at a large scale 361 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: was the Greeks, and I do associate wine with the Greeks. 362 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: They were the first ones that, like, vines didn't just 363 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: grow up on trees and you kind of cook the grapes. 364 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: They put the grapes in rows rather on trees, and 365 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: they were like, oh, we should pack more vines into 366 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: a given space so we have more yield and it's 367 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: easier for harvesting. And they really perfected the grape press 368 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: to get the most juice. They were It was amazing. 369 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: Prior to that, it was like, oh, here's an olive tree, 370 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: and here's this, and here's that, and there's a little 371 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: bit of wine. But they were the ones to say, 372 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what, there's something here, and they grew them 373 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: planted and trellises like ros and trellises, and the first 374 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: to cultivated wines on a large scale. There's this force 375 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: to tree bs poem by poet named Eubulus that guided 376 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: the wine drinker to the first guided the wine drinker 377 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: to add water to his wine. The first class was 378 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: to health salut um, the second one was to love, 379 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: the third to sleep. And when the third bull was 380 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: drink the wise guests would go home, but the ones 381 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: that weren't very wise would stay and keep drinking. The 382 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: fourth wine, I'm just gonna read it as it said. 383 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: The fourth bowl is hours no longer, but belongs to violence. 384 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: That's the fourth class of wine. You start getting violent, 385 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: the fifth to uproar, the sixth to drunken revel, the 386 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: seventh to black eyes start fighting. The eighth is the 387 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: policeman's the cops come here. The ninth belongs to bilious nous, 388 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: throwing up it's like a disaster. The tenth to madness 389 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: and hurling the furniture. So after three classes of wine stop, Okay, 390 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: well that seems to be my limit. I could go 391 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: on and on about wine history because I'm a nerd 392 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: and I like to drink. But there's so much to 393 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: know about wine. But I love that the Via Guadalupe 394 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: is having its moment, So if you all have a chance, 395 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: they have trains, they have hotels, they have these bed 396 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: and breakfasts. It's such a beautiful journey. It's beautiful and 397 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: easy to get to from from Los Angeles for sure, 398 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: or wherever you are. It's worth the trend. So go 399 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: check out a bunch of wines. Drink to get to 400 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: know your flavor profile. I want. I'm going to do that. 401 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: Drink more sal salud. Hungry for History is an unbelievable 402 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: entertainment production in partnership with I Hearts, my podcast network. 403 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: For more of your favorite shows, visit the I Heart 404 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.