WEBVTT - Ep 118: AJ Tracey

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<v Speaker 1>Although each is my guy, I have to say he's

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<v Speaker 1>not great a few from sorry each. I smoked him

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<v Speaker 1>too many times for him to claim he's good at

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<v Speaker 1>fee from sorry, but that's my guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to Midnight Chats, a podcast of informal

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<v Speaker 2>interviews with musicians we love, posted weekly at midnight to

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<v Speaker 2>suit these very casual conversations. This week's episode is hosted

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<v Speaker 2>by me Stuart Stubbs, the editor of Loud and Quiet magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>On tonight's show is West London rapper AJ Tracy, who

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<v Speaker 2>I met up with at the end of May of

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<v Speaker 2>this year, twenty twenty two, and I really enjoyed myself

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<v Speaker 2>talking to him. We spent about an hour chatting. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much all there in this conversation. Didn't feel the

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<v Speaker 2>need to cut much of it out.

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<v Speaker 3>I trimmed back a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit where we went down a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>football rabbit hole, but there's still a lot of football

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<v Speaker 2>chat in this one. That's because Aj Tracy, whose real

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<v Speaker 2>name is Shay, he is a massive fan of Tottenham Hotspurs.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk a bit about that. We talk a bit about

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<v Speaker 2>his mum, who is the person that named him Shay

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<v Speaker 2>after Shaker Vara. She comes out of this episode very well.

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<v Speaker 2>She sounds like an incredible woman. We talk about his

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<v Speaker 2>most recent album, Flu Game, that came out in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, and one thing that we mention and explain

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a little bit, but on listening back, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not fully clear is the reference of that name.

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<v Speaker 2>The name of the album is Flu Game, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>named after a particularly legendary basketball match between the Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>Balls and Utah Jazz in nineteen ninety seven where Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan got food poisoning, but he still played and essentially

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<v Speaker 2>won the game for the Chicago Balls. It's a legendary game.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've watched the documentary The Last Dance, which we

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<v Speaker 2>also talk about a little bit in this episode, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly what I'm talking about. But if you don't,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a bit unclear because we kind of dive

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<v Speaker 2>into that subject and don't fully explain it. That is

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<v Speaker 2>why the album is called Flu Game. As I say,

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<v Speaker 2>it came out last year. It is AJ Tracey's second album.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a completely DIY artist, which is nuts when you

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<v Speaker 2>go and look at some of his videos. I've linked

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<v Speaker 2>to some of those below this episode. Including his most

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<v Speaker 2>recent single Reasonable. What else do I need to clear up?

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<v Speaker 2>Two other things? I think the artist that we talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>Mura Kami, is a Japanese artist called Takashi muror Kami.

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<v Speaker 2>I've linked to the exhibition that Shaye talks about that

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<v Speaker 2>he went to in New York. He's a massive fan

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<v Speaker 2>of Murakami's work, and he also mentions at other points

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<v Speaker 2>in our conversation Vergil. That is Virgil Ablow, the fashion

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<v Speaker 2>designer and founder of Off White who became the artistic

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<v Speaker 2>director of Louis Vuitton's menswear collection, the first African American

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<v Speaker 2>to do so, sadly passed away last year. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the Vergil that Shaye refers to. He was a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of his. So I just wanted to clear that up

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't do it in the conversation. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that is as much as I need to clear up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hot here in London at the moment. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a sealed room to try and get this recording

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<v Speaker 2>sounding okay, So I'm going to stop. This is number

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighteen Midnight Chats with AJ Tracy. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for listening. So how are you domming?

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<v Speaker 2>How's your week been?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good man, chilling, wasn't enjoying the weather. And today

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a gym installed at my house. I

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<v Speaker 1>saved up my money and built a gym in my

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<v Speaker 1>back garden. So I've been getting in the gym now. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's that's my new venture. What of what what

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<v Speaker 1>equipment you got in there? I'm gonna start sounding like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm flexing. Ow, well, I'm not flexing at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely saved up to get this. Like it's not off

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<v Speaker 1>the cuff. But basically I made the gym because the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why I to see for this because I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>it to be like insulated with an air gone in

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<v Speaker 1>there so that it's fully functional.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you say it's in your garden, it's not like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a separate building. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's quite big because my garden. Luckily, when

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<v Speaker 1>I bought the house off the old people, they had

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<v Speaker 1>purchased the people adjacent to like a third of their garden,

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<v Speaker 1>so their garden is massive, and I was like great,

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<v Speaker 1>it was in a rubbish state. It was horrible, but

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<v Speaker 1>I like fixed the grass, got the green fingers out,

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<v Speaker 1>the shears out. You know I'm saying, fix everything, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got all the quimen and rowing machine, treadmill, bike,

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<v Speaker 1>leg leg extensions, rope machine, bench press like everything. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, You've got it all all ready

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<v Speaker 1>to get fit hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Before that, were you like a member of a gym.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a member of a gym before I moved

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<v Speaker 1>into my new house. When I lived in Chelsea in

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<v Speaker 1>a flat, I was a member of a gym. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously now it's like there's no gyms around sow.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you like build a gym in your garden, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do you need someone to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Of course, of course you don't just do that yourself. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>of course no, of course not.

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<v Speaker 1>I contacted you know what I'm saying, the correct people

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<v Speaker 1>and made him do it professionally. It did cost a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but also it's kind of an investment because if I

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<v Speaker 1>do choose to sell my house, it's like, cool, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got a gym, like up to date twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>brand new spanking gym, so like it adds value.

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<v Speaker 3>To the house.

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<v Speaker 2>And think how much you're going to save in that

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<v Speaker 2>gym members.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course, and even just the motivation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being able to wake up and go downstairs and work out,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to I have to get in a car

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<v Speaker 1>petrol drive day. I can just go in and no

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<v Speaker 1>one can disturb me. So it's actually really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're gonna put pool in next No?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no pool, No pool.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually when I was fixing the garden, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are like landscaping said we can put a pool

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<v Speaker 1>with if you want, and I was like, I'll live

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK. I'll get to use the pool like

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks out of the year. It's not even worth it, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that needs to be inside as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice Nice says that that that been your main thing

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<v Speaker 2>this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's That's it the gym right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've also I'm going to start I do twitch like gaming,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've been like setting up my man cave, preparing

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<v Speaker 1>it for when I'm ready to stream, which is almost done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say it's like eighty five percent done. Sure, just

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<v Speaker 1>need to get the guy to come in the handyman

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<v Speaker 1>to fix the sofa in there and put the TV

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<v Speaker 1>up on the wall, and then I'm ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll be streaming again, so that's cool. I've just

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to sort out everything aside from music, because

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<v Speaker 1>the music's okay right now. I'm kind of ready to

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<v Speaker 1>go with my music, so I'm just sorting out all

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<v Speaker 1>the extracurricular things, all that extra stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I knew that you were a big gamer.

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<v Speaker 2>Then this is something that's totally out of my comfort zone. Okay, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but so so what games do you play? And once

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<v Speaker 2>your what's your setup? Do you have like the chair

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that stuff. All of that stuff to my

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<v Speaker 1>missus is beane. She really like, you know it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that I like to delegate time to game, like

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<v Speaker 1>actual put time aside the game. So I'll be like, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go on date night and that's that's our evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the next day, for half the day, I'm gaming,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's me now.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can say mainly at nighttime gaming.

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<v Speaker 3>It's half half.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends like if my missus isn't around nighttime, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gaming all night.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking like until four ams, I'm gaming.

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<v Speaker 1>But if she's around, then I don't like to like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not spend time with her and wasted evening gaming,

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<v Speaker 1>so it'll be fifty to fifty. I'll say sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but daytime gaming is not really a go. But because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have things to do. I have a job,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't always do it. But yeah, I love gaming.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>My setup is like a dark room. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>neon that says aj Tracy. I've got like my little

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<v Speaker 1>bear bricks and like collectible figures on the wall. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got some like Tottenham Memory Vidia, some England Memory Vidia

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<v Speaker 1>and some other shirts I've got. My setup is just

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<v Speaker 1>like a metal desk and then I have a curve

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<v Speaker 1>the monitor on it, and then I have vertical monitor

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<v Speaker 1>monitor as well for discord and like when I check

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<v Speaker 1>my NFTs and my stocks and stuff. And then yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I got speaker set up, like obviously I'm a musician,

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<v Speaker 1>have to have speakers. Yeah, headset the whole malarkey. And

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<v Speaker 1>my PC actually is a beast. It's a super beast.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's crazy. It's worth like twenty K. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>buy it though, it was a gift from Call of Actually.

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<v Speaker 2>This is serious. So you're going to say, like I've

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<v Speaker 2>got two controllers, No, no, no, no, no, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>serious on the gaming.

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<v Speaker 1>I play like FIFA. Is that your main thing? One

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<v Speaker 1>of my main things? Yeah, FIFA, Call of G four, Nite, Valorian,

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<v Speaker 1>loads of different games. So I'm just I'm in there man, GTA.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I love GTA, Okay, I love GTA and you

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<v Speaker 2>stream it on Switch on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to like a year ago, and I took

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<v Speaker 1>a break, like during COVID. I was streaming like two

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<v Speaker 1>three times a week, but because I moved houses and

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<v Speaker 1>I had to reset up on my staff and my

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<v Speaker 1>house had loads of building works to doing it, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't stream. But now I'm nearly ready.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah and you and you're like your fans

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<v Speaker 2>play against you, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I get all the fans in. I'll like go on

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<v Speaker 1>my Instagram or whatever on Twitter and say, yo, if

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<v Speaker 1>an he wants to jump in the lobby seven pm,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll be on that's my game attack and people

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<v Speaker 1>just join and like we'll just be in there having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's so cool. That's sick. It's actually sick. Genuinely.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be in GTA and like you can have obviously

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<v Speaker 1>like tens and tons of people in there and they

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<v Speaker 1>will all come to my house, like I have a

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<v Speaker 1>house in GTA, and you can like go in the

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<v Speaker 1>cinema and everyone can watch the same thing on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>You can like gamble with your friends and stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun. It's good fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that how you know Deli Ali? Because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>big right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's That's not how I know him. But he is

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<v Speaker 1>a big gamer as well. Yeah he might be better

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<v Speaker 1>than me at FFA. I've seen that he's nice on FIFA.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never played against him, but yeah, he he's a

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<v Speaker 1>big game as well man, and so is I know

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<v Speaker 1>James likes the game as well a lot of I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest. I think I feel like it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>mutual thing. All the footballers and and rappers are just

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<v Speaker 1>gamers like dB, young ads and them. They're big gamers.

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<v Speaker 1>Money is a massive gamer, young and big gamer. Avelino

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<v Speaker 1>h although h is my guy. I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>he's not great at fIF I'm sorry, Age, I smoked

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<v Speaker 1>him too many times for him to claim he's good

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<v Speaker 1>at FIEF.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, but that's my guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you who do you play at faith?

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<v Speaker 3>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you do you? What's your team team sick?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you just sick?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't pick. I be honest, I don't pick. I

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<v Speaker 1>play my team. So you know, when you pick your

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<v Speaker 1>you make your own team. But currently, because I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of FIFA and like I've got all

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<v Speaker 1>the best cards and stuff, I've got pel and all

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<v Speaker 1>these people. So what I do instead is I've made

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<v Speaker 1>a past and present Totenham team. So I got like

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<v Speaker 1>bail and their modica, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So yeah, that's what I've done.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, are there any guy? Okay, let's quickly. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>you've got like in there, you've got some memorabilia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, what have you got?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me?

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<v Speaker 1>I've got an Enemy Award which is like a middle

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<v Speaker 1>finger like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got that, which I love and it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom loves that one. It's very rock starish.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get that this year?

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<v Speaker 1>I've got twenty ninety, twenty twenty. I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>years of all merged, but it was it was for Labrago.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the best song Glabrago sign. So I got that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got surprisingly Actually I've never had a number one single,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got a number one chart whatever thing because

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<v Speaker 1>I was on a song with all these massive artists

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<v Speaker 1>who are way bigger than me, and it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like a super no brainer, easy number one. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is it was for Cherry. What song was during

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<v Speaker 1>COVID is it was it times like these like a

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<v Speaker 1>cover okay yeah yeah. It was like du a leap

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<v Speaker 1>shormpool loads of like massive people and I was just

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<v Speaker 1>little AJ Chase was on the track and they were

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<v Speaker 1>all singing and I just wrapped like an eight bar.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got that trophy that's like the two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, middle yeah, exactly, I got that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I've got so many plaques that's not even

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<v Speaker 1>a flex Like I haven't ordered them. I can't fit

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<v Speaker 1>them in my house, so I just haven't ordered them genuinely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, put them in the gym.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no not enough room. I'm not even joking. There's

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<v Speaker 3>actually no room.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like I think I need to order like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>something blacks, which is just not gonna fit anywhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're expensive as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I'm kind of black.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one night, one night, but if you think

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like one night he is for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>then my manager's gonna won one, yeah, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>producer wants one obviously, and then everyone else, like the

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<v Speaker 1>mix and master and the engineer wants one. And then

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, I'm saying, then my friends are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like, yo, let me get one. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>really one night. It's like, let's call it five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>per certification, and then you get the silvers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's five hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you get the goals and if hopefully he goes platinum,

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<v Speaker 1>Labrego's double platinum but out to be triples.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like, I'm not ordering all those blacks. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I might just order like one of my favorite each

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<v Speaker 1>and just not tell anyone and just like put them

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<v Speaker 1>in my personal game is faced. That's yeah exactly. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got those loads of random little bits. I got

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<v Speaker 1>like a basketball from Virgil. Virgil sent me a basketball

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<v Speaker 1>because of flu game before he passed the piece. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a basketball from Tiffany, just random, really random stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Murror Karmy, loads of Urakami stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're a Murakami, massive.

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<v Speaker 3>Fan of Fammy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really into Likejapanese art, so I got just loads

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<v Speaker 1>and loads of artwork tons of artwork, like too much

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<v Speaker 1>for the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, bro, that's basically it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the Tottenham memory there?

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<v Speaker 3>You got?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a shirt from Kane say it's to aj.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying thanks for your support. I'm saying, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>got that, which is sick. I got not totten the

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<v Speaker 1>memory there, but I've got a Reece James England shirt okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fire and he got the whole team to

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<v Speaker 1>sign it for me. So that's the sick one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually got a Benz on my shirt, a current one.

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<v Speaker 2>What how did you get that?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I can't I'm not allowed to say, but very

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<v Speaker 1>very nice gift, great gift. I've got a Tottenham shirt

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<v Speaker 1>which was signed by the whole team the year that

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<v Speaker 1>we was in the Champions League final, so I got

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<v Speaker 1>like belet and all them people in there, which is fire.

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<v Speaker 3>I've also got I've got loads.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I got a shirt I got the other day

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the Hall of Fame induction with the

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<v Speaker 1>Premier League and I've got Vieria's signature on the shirt

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<v Speaker 1>with shearers, Ian Rights and companies on one shirt, which

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<v Speaker 1>is quite cool.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yes, that's a rare. Yeah, exactly that that's not

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<v Speaker 3>on any other shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>No, literally, that's just one of our kinds. So I

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<v Speaker 1>got that. That's got my name on it as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fire. And I actually, you know, I got

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<v Speaker 1>for my birthday the other day. My mum and all

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<v Speaker 1>my family everyone like chipped in together and got me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really hard to find. They got me a

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas shirt, Lucas Morris shirt from when he scored the

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<v Speaker 1>hat trick. It's not the one he wore, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>that shirt, you know what I'm saying. And they got

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas to sign it. So that's a great present. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Firsts fan, like, that's amazing he got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this sounds like the best, like man Cave.

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<v Speaker 1>No, the man Cave is serious. I'm not gonna lee.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just missing. There's two shirts I really want. I

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<v Speaker 1>need a Ac Milan KAKA shirt. Yeah, I need that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like, he's one of my favorite players.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to have an Ac Milan shirt with his kid.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like they're a classic. Yeah the opal yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>hard hard. I got my name on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best one. Yeah, that's the best, the best

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<v Speaker 1>one for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I loved it because when I was like, we

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<v Speaker 2>were just talking just before we started. But as an

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<v Speaker 2>evidence fat yeah, yeah, you know it was. Actually when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, it was really hard to get

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<v Speaker 2>an evert and shirt, was it? Yeah, really hard because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Essex. Oh yeah, of course, so to get

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<v Speaker 2>it down here, get down there, it was impossibly impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>But I managed to get this eight milan shirt and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt it was the coolest thing ever. But it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't quite fit me. I was it wasn't quite right.

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<v Speaker 2>It happened too big, it's too small as it was

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<v Speaker 2>too big as all right, but too small as yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Peak, yeah it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. It wasn't so good. But I loved that shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to love all of those, all of those shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to like collecting those shirts that you still.

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<v Speaker 3>Do, Yeah, I still do. They were really classy.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, like the new shirts are cool, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, But the old shirts are like

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<v Speaker 1>unbeatable bros.

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<v Speaker 3>So nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're so nice. The sharps or oil glass, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them, like they're all hard. Obviously I would never

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<v Speaker 1>put a Chelsea shirt in my house, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>this came. Actually, if James gave me his shirt, I

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<v Speaker 1>would put that my house because he's my friend. In general,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I think that's a good You've got to

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<v Speaker 2>draw the line somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, Arsenal shirt, if it was a

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<v Speaker 1>personal on reshirt from Henri, I'll put in my house.

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<v Speaker 3>Apart from that, it's not happening. There's no other impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>So with the gaming, is there any game like, are

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<v Speaker 2>there any games you like to play? You might not

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<v Speaker 2>want to answer this. Are there any of that are

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<v Speaker 2>like that you don't tell people about? Actually that's not

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<v Speaker 2>it's not cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The only one is League of Legends. I play League

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<v Speaker 1>of Legends. I don't know if you know what that is?

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<v Speaker 2>No, what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a massive game, but it's not that massive in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, but it's massive in general. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a Korean game. Koreans play and it's extremely complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not, but it is to play at a

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<v Speaker 1>high level is very complicated. You could obviously just jump

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<v Speaker 1>in and play, but yeah, I play that. It's basically

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<v Speaker 1>a game where it's like a board and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to basically just defend your base and you can't let

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<v Speaker 1>them advance on your base, and if they destroy your base,

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<v Speaker 1>you lose. But your character has loads of different moves,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets complicated because like the character you pick

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<v Speaker 1>might counteract the character I pick, and I can't really

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<v Speaker 1>beat you. But then I'll make my teammate pick someone

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<v Speaker 1>who countteracts you. You'll make your teamate picks on the

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<v Speaker 1>characters him, and it just becomes very complicated. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically like that, and it's all the nerdy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You kill dragons, you get bonuses and power ups and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. So that's that's what I play a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, like every other day at least,

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<v Speaker 1>and each game is like twenty to forty five minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've got to have patience. Many times I have

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<v Speaker 1>rage quit and turned off my PC. Yes, a hundred times.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it?

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you're on Twitch, when you're streaming, and

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<v Speaker 2>how many people are watching that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember how many views I used to get,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was quite a lot, Actually it was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surprised how many people were interested in watching

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<v Speaker 1>me play games, because even when I wasn't playing games.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if I'm just talking, there'll be a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people and they're just chilling, which I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>because I fall out my fan base is it's very

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<v Speaker 1>rare nowadays to have like a solid base, like for

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<v Speaker 1>your fan base, like a cult following, because me, I

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<v Speaker 1>built it from like pirate radio and showcasing who I

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<v Speaker 1>am and you know, getting into politics and talking about

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<v Speaker 1>inequality and loads of different things. So I've got this

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<v Speaker 1>pot of people who just really rock with me as

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<v Speaker 1>a person, which I really appreciate because nowadays it's like

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<v Speaker 1>with TikTok and stuff. I have nothing against TikTok. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's really platform and like I'm trying to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to use it. I'm a bit old for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying. But I feel like with TikTok everything's

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<v Speaker 1>quite flash in the pan. Yeah, Like you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>just want microwave meals, so to speak, like they want

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<v Speaker 1>it ready right now, being consuming done with it, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, which is not kind of that's

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<v Speaker 1>not how to operate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd rather give you.

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<v Speaker 1>Something long lasting and put like a single wort for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and work it for a while and have it everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>and have you hear it wherever and you digest it,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than take this and take this and take this in.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the next one. I'm not really on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get into music to do that. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say with my fan base, I'm really grateful

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<v Speaker 1>because when I go on Twitch, they're just there for

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<v Speaker 1>the ride, man, They're just here to hear what i'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>which is cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really genuinely appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it true that you did you start wrapping

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<v Speaker 2>at six?

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<v Speaker 3>I did, just sick. I did. That's that's that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is six as well is like me

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<v Speaker 1>rounding up because you're younger than that. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>try and put rhymes together, but obviously you can't really

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<v Speaker 1>formulate a rhyme scheme before six.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. You probably can, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So my dad used to just help me in rhymes

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<v Speaker 1>from like four or five, but six is when I

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<v Speaker 1>was actually writing you know, coherent boss and spitting them.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, because your dad was a rapper, right, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a rapper?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was?

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<v Speaker 2>Would that have been the first, the first time you

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<v Speaker 2>heard like rap music or someone rapping, would that have

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<v Speaker 2>been your dad?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was actually from my mom because my mom

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<v Speaker 1>was a DJ. She was a jungle d Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>was a jungle DJ. So she used to play like

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<v Speaker 1>jungle house, like old school NWA, all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>She was really cool, so she introduced me to rap.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the first couple of rap records I heard

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I don't know which order, but ll cool

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<v Speaker 1>J was one of them, for sure. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>British rap. Oh, actually skinny Man, you know, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was actually skinny Man. It was LL cool J, skinny Man,

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<v Speaker 1>Mob Deep, And then I used to listen to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Michael Jackson and James Brown as well. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are like the first couple of rotations because my mom

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<v Speaker 1>had all the vinyls and I used to just put

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<v Speaker 1>them on the deck and play them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she used to get pissed because.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously they're really expensive technic decks and I was just

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<v Speaker 1>like scratching the shit out of records and that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure her thriller record, I've you know, told.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely worse. Yes, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel say for the first one, at least she's on

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<v Speaker 1>an NWA record, like the first edition, unopen, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't touch it. I knew from the plastic I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>meant to touch that, so I just left it. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>it sealed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she has too. She bought one to use. Yah,

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah does she still DJ now?

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<v Speaker 1>She for fun? I guess at home, but not like

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not making up. But yeah, she loves it. She

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<v Speaker 1>loves it and she's good. She's actually good. She could

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<v Speaker 1>sketch mixed everything so sick.

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<v Speaker 2>That is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, my dad wasn't the main influence, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the first person I guess I saw actually penning

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<v Speaker 1>down bars and like the process behind writing lyrics. He

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<v Speaker 1>would be the first person. Yeah, for sure. And my uncle.

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<v Speaker 1>My uncle used to rap with him. They all had

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<v Speaker 1>like a rap group.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess at what point did it get

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<v Speaker 2>like start to get more serious for you? Like how

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<v Speaker 2>old were you bothered?

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<v Speaker 3>Like when I wanted to take music seriously?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of when you were like, yeah, what point

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<v Speaker 2>did it kind of step up?

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<v Speaker 1>There's two different points in my life. One is when

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<v Speaker 1>I actually started taking music seriously and one is when

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to take it seriously. So when I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take it seriously, it was like year ten, So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm like fifteen. Around fifteen, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to take it seriously around then, but also not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to give you a sub story, bro but obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up kind of broke, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and like single parents and stuff. So I understood that

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<v Speaker 1>for me to chase my dreams was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>selfish because I have a little brother, my mum obviously

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<v Speaker 1>need money. I need to get a job really so

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of like my morality taught me from like

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on music, you know what I'm saying that. And

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, it was like I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lawyer, and in my head, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can definitely be a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm literal enough, I'm smart enough, I can I love arguing, like,

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<v Speaker 1>surely I can do that. I was great at history

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying history in English from my two favorites,

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<v Speaker 1>So that was what I was going for. But then

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<v Speaker 1>it's sad because my like I have ADHD really bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and my just me messing around and being really fidgity,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said I was a bad kid, but

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<v Speaker 1>I used to you know, throw pencils and just squat pain,

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<v Speaker 1>just do like childish things. Yeah, I never hurt anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>but doing that stuff kind of got me in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble in school. And then I used to

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<v Speaker 1>be late to school a lot. And you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>mom used always say to me, look like because she

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<v Speaker 1>used to get me up on time and send me

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<v Speaker 1>out the door, so it's not her fault. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to just you know, mess around on the way to school,

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<v Speaker 1>be late, go tell skills whatever. So because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, come on, like, you need to go

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<v Speaker 1>on time because I'm going to get in trouble for this.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's not you who they're going to look at.

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<v Speaker 1>I're going to say, it's your mum who's not you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, which is true, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>her fault. So I kind of tried my hardest, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got internally excluded.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what that is, right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, got internally excluded all of that stuff. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was looking like I was going to get permanent excluded.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I used to always do is which used

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<v Speaker 1>to really annoy the teachers. I would like, mess around,

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<v Speaker 1>get on report, get in more trouble, get more trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>When it gets to like the final thing, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>an angel and they have to take me off report,

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<v Speaker 1>and the only way to kick me out is to

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<v Speaker 1>put me back on report. So I just keep writing

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<v Speaker 1>and repeating basically. But yeah, because of all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of put the music to the side. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go to the sixth form in Holland Park

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't let me in because obviously my grades

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<v Speaker 1>weren't good enough, which is really sad, because they made

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<v Speaker 1>me take the low you know in English you can take.

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<v Speaker 3>The low example to high.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In my original writings and my like Shakespeare and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I got like a stars and a's, but they made

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<v Speaker 1>me take the lower exam because of my behavior, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really sad. But I took it. I got four marks. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone the whole school knew I was going to get

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<v Speaker 1>full marks. I got four marks, and then I said

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<v Speaker 1>to my teacher, like my mom said, like, why do

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<v Speaker 1>you do this? Because if you knew he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to get full marks, why not give him the higher paper. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because full marks on the lower papers a C. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if even if I got lower marks on

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<v Speaker 1>the higher paper, I would still get a SE so

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<v Speaker 1>like you might as well give him a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. They were like, oh, school

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<v Speaker 1>policy is behavior blah blah blah, which I personally think

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<v Speaker 1>is a really bad way.

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<v Speaker 3>To teach kids.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just punishing, basically punishing me with my future. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy a point just to make a point. And

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<v Speaker 1>what's worse is if they had a nurse in the

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<v Speaker 1>school who like was like cool, so he's obviously got

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<v Speaker 1>ADIOSD like I'm gonna treat him as such, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been fine, you know what I'm saying, That's how

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<v Speaker 1>it should be pastoral care and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>But the school was not great at.

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<v Speaker 2>That was this a time like did they know that

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<v Speaker 2>was the case of that they knew?

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<v Speaker 1>They knew that, they new, they knew one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 1>they honestly knew they knew. And like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my teachers were saying to like we call it the

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<v Speaker 1>leadership groups, so like the heads of years and whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>the head teacher and stuff. They were saying a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of my really nice teachers, my ri teacher my history

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<v Speaker 1>teacher and my English teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>I love them to bits.

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<v Speaker 1>They were really nice to me, and they used to

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<v Speaker 1>go and say to the higher ups, like, yo, he

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<v Speaker 1>clearly need some help with like concentrating and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>very easily distracted by his work. Is great if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at his work. His work's great, but like he

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<v Speaker 1>just gets distracted.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was like, we don't care. So here's what

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it is? Or it is?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think those teachers there can be happy that

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<v Speaker 1>they paid. It played the part in me being successful

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<v Speaker 1>because they kind of like motivated me that there's people

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<v Speaker 1>that care even when everyone else doesn't. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, everyone else can you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But that was That's the point when I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take music seriously but didn't. And then when I did

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<v Speaker 1>take it seriously is when I was in UNI doing

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<v Speaker 1>criminology and I didn't get into the union I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get into, didn't get into the college I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get into, but I just kept going because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I need to do something for my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. I just kept trying and

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<v Speaker 1>I got into London, met big up everyone who goes

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<v Speaker 1>there and education is better and not having one, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the greatest union at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, a little bit dangerous. Everyone's like me, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can speak freely, I was just going there

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<v Speaker 1>to sell drugs. I'll be honest, bro, I'll go in

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<v Speaker 1>there and everyone just be like, yo, who's got X

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<v Speaker 1>y Z? So I just figured out why am I

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<v Speaker 1>coming here to learn? If I can make my you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. So I used to come, not

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<v Speaker 1>even go to my lecture, just link people and be

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<v Speaker 1>like yo, who needs what and then cut not even

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<v Speaker 1>go to my lecture, And I still passed my first year.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually got my certificate for my first year because

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<v Speaker 1>I did the work. I always do the work, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing about me. I'll always do the work.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not on like your timing or how you want it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll definitely do the work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Then in Union, I'm sitting at the back

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<v Speaker 1>of a lecture one time and like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Eureka moment. I was just sitting there and I used

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<v Speaker 1>to like just write bars and just listen to music

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<v Speaker 1>at the back and then I just thought, broth all

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<v Speaker 1>these rappers that are out right now and doing well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm better than all of them. Like, honestly, I'm better

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<v Speaker 1>than every single one of them. Why why am I

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<v Speaker 1>here doing this? It doesn't make sense. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>sat down and I'm like, nah, bro forget all this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go like chase this. I'm actually gonna chase this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I left the lecture all my life for like

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<v Speaker 1>a movie like, I left the lecture just blank zoned out,

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<v Speaker 1>just ignored everyone, walked out, went home. I told my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yo, I'm gonna chase music. I can't bother

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<v Speaker 1>for this anymore. This unique thing is not me, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it for you, Mom, I love you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but give me a little time period to try. And

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<v Speaker 1>she said, look, I'm gonna give you a year. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>pay for you for the whole year. I'll look after you.

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<v Speaker 1>If it doesn't work out in a year, I need

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<v Speaker 1>you to go back to union, which is fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you past your first year, you can put

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<v Speaker 1>on whole jump saying and go do the rest. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did that and a couple months after that, everything

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<v Speaker 1>just literally started taking off. Everything just fell into place.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that first year, was there like something that

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<v Speaker 2>you needed to like it got to the end of

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<v Speaker 2>that first year, what had happened in that first year

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<v Speaker 2>for your mom to be like, I consider this as

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<v Speaker 2>a success.

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<v Speaker 3>She you know what it was. I'll be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was easier fast than it could have been because

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<v Speaker 1>I started getting bookings and stuff towards the end of

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<v Speaker 1>that year period, and I came and I just showed her.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, look respectfully to my mom, she's amazing. She

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<v Speaker 1>works really hard, but she wasn't getting paid enough for

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<v Speaker 1>her work and her mom's wages. I was getting per booking,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was sending her, look like, I can do this. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I can actually do this. I'm going to give you rent.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sort the rent. I'm saying, I'll buy the food whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and let me just go make this music. She was like, yeah, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>So you did it. Do it, in it congrets, do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I sit and I started going. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been confident because of my mom. Yeah, because

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>she always said to me from when I was young,

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, listen, if you decide you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be Muslim, you want to be Hindu. If you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're gay, if whatever, I'm gonna love you the same way.

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, Like whatever you do is irrelevant to me.

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm still gonna love you. So that gave me like

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<v Speaker 1>the core confidence to go do whatever I need to do,

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. It felt nice that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be judged by the main person that I

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<v Speaker 1>care about for whatever I do. So with that, I

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<v Speaker 1>used to tell her everything, honestly, everything that I used

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<v Speaker 1>to Obviously it's not great, but it's the life that

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I was living. I used to go outside of a

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<v Speaker 1>knife sometimes for my own protection. And I remember telling

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<v Speaker 1>her one time, I was like, Mom, I can't lie

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to you. Yeah, if you hear that I got stabbed,

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<v Speaker 1>or saying it's not for no reason, like I had

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<v Speaker 1>a knife for me for sure, Like it wasn't you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, don't think that people are bullying

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<v Speaker 1>me or jump saying like I'm just the nicest kid,

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 1>because I'm a good person. But like I'm not a victim.

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be a victim. So she knew

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<v Speaker 1>all about me. So but I made sure she knew

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<v Speaker 1>that if someone comes to the door and accuses me

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<v Speaker 1>of something that is not in my character. She knows

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<v Speaker 1>that's not my son, you know what I'm saying. Cool,

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 1>he caused the fight out a football game or whatever. Yeah,

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I believe you that's my son, or you know he

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:55.199
<v Speaker 1>done something disrespectful to women, that's not my son, Like,

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And they sure she knew

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>exactly who I am. So yeah, man, that's when I

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<v Speaker 1>started taking music seriously. I remember I went to my grandma.

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I went to her house. She lives between here and Trinidad,

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>so she came back to England for a little bit

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and I went to her house and my dad was

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>just adamant that I have to tell her that I

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>left UNI. So I didn't think I'll be honest with you,

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it was any of her business. I

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't really need to tell her, but it's cooled to

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 1>update her anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So I told her.

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<v Speaker 1>She obviously wasn't happy because you know, coming from a

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Caribbean background, you know, they just want you to finish UNI. Yeah,

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>be a doctor, I'll be a dentist, be a lawyer

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. So I told her. She just wasn't having it,

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and then I said, okay, look and I showed her

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>like my booking fee and I showed her that I

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<v Speaker 1>got a book for like a grand and a half.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>She was like grand and a half for what? And

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like for me to wrap, and she's like, for

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.199
<v Speaker 1>who's listening to you? Who wants to listen to you?

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:40.879
<v Speaker 1>For a grand and art?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, trust me, if people want to listen,

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she she basically just said yeah, like she

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>accepted it off she saw the money because it's very

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like I don't want to say it like that, but

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>with my like you're you know, sometimes your you're ethnic

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 1>side of your family. You got to proved to them

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you're capable of making money because you know we need

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it obviously. So if you're just doing this for fun,

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>what's the point because you could be doing something you

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>know of value. So yeah, she understood after I show

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 1>her the money, and she was like, yeah, cool, go

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>for it. She doesn't know the content of my lyrics,

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>neither will I show her, but it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>She has she ever listened to.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad played the one song and I was pissed

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 3>at him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so pissed. I told him why are you

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>doing it? Because I told him specifically, don't show grandma

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>my music. My grandma on my dad's side from Trinidad

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and my nan on my mom's side from Wales have

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>never heard my music as in from me, because it's

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 1>just not for them, you know, I'm saying, do.

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>You think do you think they have listened to it

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<v Speaker 2>on the sli and just not?

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<v Speaker 1>You just think they have no idea they've heard it

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 1>now because my nan saw me when I was on

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Top of the Pops like every time on Top of

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the Pops, which my nan loves Top of the Pop,

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>so sure, bless her little Welsh woman, Like I'll tell

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll ring and say stick Top of the Pops on it,

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and she'll watch it and really enjoy it, which is fine.

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind that because that content as well, the

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>songs I picked for Top of the Pops, not the

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>songs that I don't want her to hear, so it's fine.

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Whereas like with my grandma, she's a bit more inquisitive,

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>like she'll dig, but she'll dig, but she also respects boundary.

0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>So if I tell her like chill, she will chill

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>because she's got that kind of respect. But my dad

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 1>went and played her song like just out of nowhere,

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't like it.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie. I told him, don't do that again.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what track it was?

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember, but I didn't ask because I didn't

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>even want to know. I don't want to know what

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you heard. Just forget it.

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 2>But forget this ever happened exactly exactly that, like back

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>when you were like you know, when you're going out

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of the house with a knife and stuff like that,

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and like you and your mum knows, Like how worried

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>was she that?

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Extremely? Yeah, she hated it, of course, Like I don't know, man,

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what it is. I see my mom cry

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>so many times that I eventually just got to the

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>point where I was like, I was gonna do everything

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I can to remove us from this area because it's

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a catch twenty two. It's like, cool, I don't want

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to make you upset, but also I have to protect myself.

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>If you're selling drugs, you could not just walk around

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>with no weapons because someone's just gonna rob you. And

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>if you rob me, then I have nothing and I

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>can't pay the rent. So it's just like a catch

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty two. There's nothing you could do. I had no choice. Genuinely,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:51.959
<v Speaker 1>it sounds you know when you explain to people like

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that the kids today, they're like, oh, they just roll

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>around with weapons, and they're not usually rolling around a

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 1>weapon to target someone. They're rolling around a weapon in

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>case someone targets them. That's what it's actually about. Yeah,

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And people don't really understand that. And it's like they're like,

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>why don't they get a normal job? I mean, like,

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>have you tried applying for a job nowadays? This is impossible.

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>You got kicked out of school, Now you're trying to apply

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>for a job. Why would we take you in? This

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>person over here's got an education. Yeah, you know, you

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. But that's not an excuse for everyone.

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not a blanket excuse. But you know, growing up

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>being poverished, this is hard. And for me, I never

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>did anything I didn't have to do, and all my friends,

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>all my friends and family can attest to that as

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 1>a fact. I never committed any crime or did anything

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have to do. I only did things I

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>needed to do to eat and to pay rent. And

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm saying. I never did, like something

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>to get a Gucci belt, you know what I'm saying,

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Or something to buy a new sneakers or whatever.

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 3>I never did that.

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I did stuff to pay for the rent and look

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>off my mum, my little brother, and then the extras.

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Obviously I'll buy a chains or whatever. But like, I

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>did it for a purpose. It wasn't just jugging. We

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>call it jugging that I'm not jugging for the sake

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of Gucci and stuff. I would never do that, God forbid,

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. That's ridiculous. And the reason

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>why I'm really proud of myself is because I stopped

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>at a time and I didn't ever get caught with

0:30:58.600 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>any drugs on me or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm able.

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I just came back from New York, like I'm able

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>to go to America and it's all good, like everything,

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I got my visa, I'm good. But it could have

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>been very different because a lot of the friends around

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>me are not able to go to America, and I

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>just thought about my future. I'm like, yo, I really

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:14.479
<v Speaker 1>want to go to America. I want to tour, I

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>want to go to Australia. And I can't if I'm

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>getting caught up in this stuff. So yeah, man, as

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>soon as I didn't have to, I put all of

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that away, and yeah, move my mom out the hood

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>straight away. Before I even had a house on my own,

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, my mom's the first priority. Got out

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of the house. She would not leave, kicking and screaming.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>She did not want to leave Labrico by any means.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>She was staying. She's like, no, I'll disown all of

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you and I'll stay here on my own. And I

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, it's just mum, it's just not happening. It's

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>just not happening.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>How did you convince her?

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>She basically said, because she speaks a little bit of

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Spanish because my name is Chay off the Chago Our.

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>She loves Cuba, We've been here loads of times. She

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>learned Spanish off her own back. So she wanted to

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>move to Spain. And I just said, you're not moving

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>to Spain, mom, like me and my little brother. Like,

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>my little brother's not little, he's three years younger than me.

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>But you're not moving to Spain like we need you here.

0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. You're not moving to Spain.

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>And then she was like, cool, can I can I

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>just go there for a little bit of thing? I said, no,

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>there's no Spain in this equation. There's no Spain. There's

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna be something.

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Can I go there for a little bit? She just

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 3>thought to come back exactly. I'm like, Mom, they'll try it.

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, she she got over it, and she was like, okay, cool,

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>if I can stay in West, like near Labor Grove,

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>then that'll be fine.

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, she compromised. Yes, she compromised. She's near West now,

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>she's near Grove.

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 3>That's fine.

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>She's just not in the hood, which is just the

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>key thing because obviously, growing up, everyone knewhere I live.

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>We all went to each Trather's houses with local game

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>members everything. Everyone knows whereveryone lives. So I just didn't

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>want my mom to ever be a target because if

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm a target, I can deal with it. You know,

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>if you kick the shit at me, brother, I'll live.

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm saying hopefully anyway i'll hear when I'll

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>be good. I'm up for a fight. I don't mind.

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>But my mom, if you're target my mom, then I

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>have to literally throw my career away. And go and

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>do something I don't want to do, so I'd rather

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 1>she's just out the way and I can chill, ye,

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>which is how it is now.

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>So she's good.

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Your mom sounds extremely cold. She's a legend, bro, She's

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>a jungle d cha. Yes, she names you after shake

0:32:59.680 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of Art.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes, with the purpose of not allowing me to be

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 3>right wing. Right. Yeah. Yeah, if you've got your name,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 3>that's it. It's impossible.

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 2>You cannot be at all.

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Impossible yet exactly. She she used to she used to row.

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>She used to be rowing, and she she actually used

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to train with If I'm not mistaken, I don't want

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to miss her. But she used to train with TGB,

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 1>or she was training for TGB something like that. She

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>also earlier than that, wanting to be a pilot, So

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>she was studying to be a pilot.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 3>She used to drive a big Triumph like. She's just

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 3>a G to be honest.

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Shen Spanish, Yeah, she wants to.

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Spanish, exactly, has an nw A first edition. Yeah, just

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 3>a G.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.479
<v Speaker 1>But I like her because she's very accepting. Her Her

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>job is she's a youth worker. She spent her whole

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>life helping you know, black and impoverished kids in Brixton

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>get jobs and turn the life around back. She wasn't

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>paid that much for it. She just really wants to

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>help you. That's just who she is. So great person,

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>nice one.

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the I mean she must clearly be super proud

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>of everything, super super proud. I think like one of

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the like one of the things that you know, people

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>seem to every now and then think like, you must

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 2>have signed a big record, right. That's the thing is

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>They've been saying that for years. That's the constant around

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 2>AJ Tracy. But but I mean you haven't. No, but

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like does that. I can see why people think that

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 2>just because you've done and like the videos you make

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>and the and the and the way you do things.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>But the fact that you've done it all yourself is like,

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>is incredible?

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Is it?

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Has that always been important to you to keep it that?

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Because you must have had the offers and all of

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that stuff.

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely had loads of offers. Man, Like you know

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying it it fluctuates. Music is very fickle,

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. You can like, I can't

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>tell you how many times in my career I've been

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>like going through a quiet period, like and most of

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the time it's funny because it's by a choice. I'm

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 1>not like just falling off, like I've just chosen to

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:52.399
<v Speaker 1>not make music. It's not you know what I'm saying.

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>It's it's usually a conscious decision. When storms he deletes

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>his Instagram, no one's forced him to do that. He's

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>just decided to do that. Ye know what I'm saying.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:59.720
<v Speaker 1>If theyve goes quiet for a little bit, he's decided

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.800
<v Speaker 1>to go quiet. It's what we do. But people fans

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>for some reason think, oh, he hasn't dropped the song

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in ages, he must have fell off. But if you

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>go look at my monthly listener says seven million, So

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:08.479
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I'm saying. But it's just people

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.439
<v Speaker 1>don't They don't look up stuff. And if you look

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to research, you can see I'm not signed to anyone

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that I remember. Someone tweeted saying something like AJ says

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>he's independent, but it says Ada at the bottom of

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 1>his thing. Yeah, Ada is distribution, bro, I've signed nothing.

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>They're just distributed my music like distributed. It's taken.

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>You have to have. That's distribution.

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>You have or you can't get your music out because

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the DSPs don't deal with individuals. They deal with you know,

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>corporations and people in groups and people who have like

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>a roster for example. So I had to go through someone.

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>And now if you look with my last album, it

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>says Revenge Records that it's going through me. Now the

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>distribution as well is going through me and my manager.

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>So there's no anyone anywhere now. It's just ask which

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is cool. But I always say this, I'm not against

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>a record deal at all. I'm not against it. It's

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>just no one's come forward and offered me anything of significance.

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I've had the massive money offers, but you know,

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>for example, they are like if they offer me x

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>y zx millions, I'll signed for that, but now I

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>owe you that money.

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like yeah, and also a debt.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a debt, and it's like it's just an up

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>forward lump sum because I would have made that money

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>anyway eventually, maybe not as quick as right now, but

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I will get eventually and I'll make more and have

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to give away less.

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>So if you're using your head, then you can do

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>some simple maths. There's no point really, man, It's more

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.479
<v Speaker 1>about the support. I'll be honest, like a record label

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>saying to me if they said, look, Aj, we really

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>want to sign you. We've wanted you for ages. This

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 1>is the plan. We want to do this if you

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>in America, this in Japan, this in Nigeria. You know,

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:30.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, this is our plan, this is our step,

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>this is our blueprint, and this is the team. This

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>person specialized in this and they've done that. It's not

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 1>that hard. If you came to me of a plant

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>that I'll be swayed. I could be swayed, yeah, but

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>no one's ever done that. So it's not that it's

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 1>just money. It's just take this big lump summer money

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 1>and I'm good.

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>It's so rare, you know, like what I think like

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.879
<v Speaker 2>that source of you know, people talk about DII music

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 2>and DI culture, and a lot of the time when

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>they talk about it that they talk about kind of

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>grunge bands and like and bands, you know, like that's

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>that sort of punk thing, and that definitely happens. There

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>are definitely bands out there who are one hundred per

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 2>ye why but I feel like, especially in like British

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>hip hop, it's like on another level, like it's truly

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 2>like the way that boy Better Knows set up and

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>delivered all of that, like like early on, like that

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was so and what you've done.

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's like the blueprint. What Jamie did, in

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, is the blueprint, to be honest. It's like

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>that inspired a lot of like me Zoo Big Zoo,

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of us inspired us to like go

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and be our own entity rather than like just going, hey,

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm talented, just let me sign here and you can

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>do whatever the hell you want to force me to

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>make music I don't want to make yeah, which has

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>just never been an angle to be honest.

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>When you were in this in the States recently, we

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>plan shows.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I know shows. I was just chilling. Actually I want

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>to see Mirkami. Oh yeah, yeah, I had dinner with him.

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Actually did you fire?

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>That was that's the exhibition at the Kosian.

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's actually it.

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>That so like I know, I know, think think that's

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>the vers Impressed. That's like a virtual one but but

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 2>virtual and real. It was a mix. So okay. So

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>to anyone listening that doesn't know, like like explain to

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>me this up because this is an artist's called exhibition

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 2>it's on Madison Avenue, right, yep. There's two buildings yep,

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>and what you go in What can You Lives.

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's their real life, but one one half

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of it is like virtual and on your phone you

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>can you know, see works of art and it's like

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>very interactive, immersive, and one side is physical.

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 3>So they had two statues.

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go super nerdy art geek on you,

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>but like sure, there's like a classic one called Lonesome

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Cowboy that he made. There's like a rendition of that,

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>like a chrome one, and there's a female one. And

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 1>there's Artifacts who make clone X, who are a group

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>of guys who make NFTs and stuff. Their logo is

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>like a lightning bolt. Nike acquired them, so that's now

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.959
<v Speaker 1>a logo of Nike as well. And Takashim re Kami

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>actually made two custom Murcami lightning bolts, that big massive ones.

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>One was for sale and I actually met the guy

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>who bought it, and one is just for displaying in

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the in the gallery.

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, but yeah, it was. It was so sick, like

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 3>I was really sick.

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I went there because so random how life works, bro,

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>So basically, rest in peace Virgil.

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 3>I told him.

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I told Virgil when he took me to a show

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>in Paris one time. I was sitting like, Bro, I

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 1>was sitting with all these people that like I really rate,

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 1>like I really really rate.

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I was sitting like.

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>One behind front row around like Ghana like FuG like

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 1>asap mob, like loads of really sick people.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I was just there like, what the hell,

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 3>how am I here?

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even signed?

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally, and.

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Virgils come up to me and he's just like, yo, bro,

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>like I hope you're cool, You're comfortable with everything, good

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.479
<v Speaker 1>and really loving guy, like genuinely just wants to help people,

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And I was like, I

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>was looking at the plethora of people that are there,

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>like the variation of celebrity and how big they are,

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not just downplaying writing, but honestly, I was

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the least known people in there, and like

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>He's come over to me and been like, Yo, you're good,

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>You're cool, because that's how much he cares, you know

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. He knows he's not good, but he's like, yo,

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you're good, and I'm like, yeah, cool. And then when

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I got up after the show. I was like saying,

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>your congratulations. This show was fire. I loved the new collection,

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. And then I see Muraccarmi walk past

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh my day, he's Mirocarma. I'm

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a big fan. He's like Camro. He introduced me like

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Murcarmy doesn't speak great English. Yeah, but he was just

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, like basically would you do kind of thing?

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I explained what I do, and then he followed me

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, which is fire. And obviously I was already

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a massive fan, but now I'm like ten times a

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>fan and then my friend, so then this is crazy

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 1>as well. When when I was like twenty one, twenty two,

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm twenty eight now. So a while ago, I was

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:30.760
<v Speaker 1>on a plane to like Maley or IP for. Actually

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it was IB for Look how the World Works.

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I was actually goes a ib for and I was

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>on a plane with one of my best mates's ands

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was like to me, he's like, bro, this guy got

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>on the plane and he's like look at this guy.

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>He's like look at his mask, and he had like

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>a custom LV mask. You know that way before COVID

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>people were like he was like making masks that custom

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, like Mortal Combat masks. Yeah, yeah, exactly, out

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.399
<v Speaker 1>of like LV fabrics. And he pointed at me. He's like, Bro,

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>this guy he's fired. Like the things he does. He

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 1>makes that custom mask, costom training six six stuff. You

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>should hit him up because he knows I love that

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. And I don't know if his male

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>ego pride, embarrassment, I don't know, but I didn't want

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to say to him he's getting on the plane, yo, bro,

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>like let's connect.

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:05.879
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to be that guy.

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.879
<v Speaker 2>And I'm saying, yeah, yeah, that's understandable. Yeah, yes, I've

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 2>got that kind of role.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, you know, yeah, I don't mind speaking to you,

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to like ambush you on a plane.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And Yo, you know what I'm saying. He was with

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>his mates and stuff. So I just left it. But

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>it's funny. I'm gonna wrap background to what I just

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 1>said there with me not wanting to approach him.

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 3>So I left it.

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>But I DMed him like a week later and I

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, yo, bro, saw you on the plane and

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>he's like yeah, yeah, I saw you, bro, And then

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like cool, let's connect. And he started like

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>sending me trainers and stuff and get me and rolled

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the void does that is now one of the co

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 1>founders of Artifact, who makes the NFT who connective roc

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>on me. So he invited me out to New York.

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's crazy because he was living in growth obviously,

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>so the whole it's a really crazy like connection. But anyway,

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>he said to me at dinner the other day, because

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>he took me there. We're sitting at the table when

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>he was like, bro, do you remember on the plane,

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>like when I saw you. I was like, oh, so

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>he saw me on the plane. Yeah, and he's like, yeah,

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:55.959
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't want to ambush you on a plane.

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>He said to me. What I basically was thinking. I

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 1>was like, it's funny how the world works. Broa, we

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>could have just right then and there just hands have

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>been like, yo, you know what I'm saying. It's crazy,

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was sick, man, I was so sick.

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Like the room that I was in at dinner. It

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.439
<v Speaker 1>was Tagashi's favorite restaurant in New York and I can't

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>remember what the name of it is, but it's underneath

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.839
<v Speaker 1>the Gogosian right it's a sushi place, right.

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 3>It was fight. It was so nice, genuinely not gassing.

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 3>It was so good.

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And you're a you're a big food fan, a massive foodie,

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>bro massive because one of my favorite like what one

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of the things I love about your music and I

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 2>love about all like British hipub especially is like the reference.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:31.760
<v Speaker 3>It's like the little.

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Points and the little things that you and and like

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>the little London like kind of thing that I know

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>what that is. Yeah, and one of them is in

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Jackpot you shout out to Bob Bob Rakhas Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and that is That's got to be the only song

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that that restaurant.

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I had so many people saying what is that? Like

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>what is that? But I'm just like both you know.

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 2>That restaurant is like I took my mum there for

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 2>a nice she doesn't want to eat anywhere else now.

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>It's so nice and I've never had quisine like that

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 1>before all it was different, which was cool.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:03.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I like the interior is really nice.

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really like, how would you describe it to

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>someone that's not been to that restaurant? This is a

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>restaurant in so Ho, We should Yeah.

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I described it like I said to one of my friends,

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a very fancy train carriage.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what I say. It's like being in I

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>always said it's like being on the orange.

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:25.479
<v Speaker 3>I imagine exactly exactly. That's it. That's right.

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 2>And there's a did you press the champagne?

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.399
<v Speaker 3>I did pressed the champagne. But I had to press

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:29.880
<v Speaker 3>the champagne.

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>But there's a button on every table, that champagne, and

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 2>you pressed that.

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 3>I was.

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I was amazed by that. You took me postly, who

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>runs your okay, he took me. Yeah, he took me

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>for dinner and like he said, yeah, press the button.

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Bro.

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Cool if it's on you because your treats.

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a really cool place. And then like you also

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>like then you also shout out to like Novikov.

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 3>I've said a lot of that's on the new record.

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 2>That's on Anxious, Yes, Anxious.

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>And then uh, little more love. I'm talking about strougging

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 1>off the food references whatever.

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 3>End.

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>He was one of my food and football is by

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.439
<v Speaker 1>me the most Okay, they're your thing, they're my things, man.

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>But this this sushi restaurant was amazing honestly. And I

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>sat down on the table and I was I sat

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>down with this guy. He goes by Zaptio. That's like

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>he's online tag. So I sat down with this guy's

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>zapp and he was like talking to me, talking to me.

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>And then these two guys, I would say if I

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>had to guess how they were, I'd say like mid forties.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 1>They were quite young for when you find out what

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>they do, very young for what they do. So they

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 1>were like, what do you do? And I said, bro,

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just here for the ride.

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Me talked to this guy and then I put it

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>at zapp and then like what you do? Yeah, I've

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 1>run off effective blah blah blah called the chopping U

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>chopping up.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 3>And then I said what do you what do you

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 3>guys do?

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 1>So the one time I left us in that kind

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>of like a suit, like an open shirt suit, like

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>just got off work vibes, and he had two massive

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 1>diamond rings on. And I know about jewelry, bro and

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>these rings are worth a lot, massive rings. Yes, So

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, would you do and he's like oh,

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>And he showed me the rings and I looked at

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it and it was you're the Bucks logo.

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I was like, oh, you work with a box, like, yeah,

0:44:58.160 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 3>I owned the.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Bucksh okay, that's something else.

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 3>And he's like mid forties. He looked like mid forties.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I could be listen if he's older than that,

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just being complimentary, great, yeah yeah, but he

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 1>looks honestly, to me, he looked like early forties, genuinely

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.919
<v Speaker 1>mid early forties. So then the guy next to him,

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:15.439
<v Speaker 1>I was like, so what would you do? And he's

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 1>like and the Bucks guy started laughing. He's like, oh yeah,

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 1>he owns the nets and I noticed you wear the

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.360
<v Speaker 1>nets hat. I'm like, this is crazy. Then I realized that, like,

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:27.720
<v Speaker 1>who's in this room? Jeff Staple behind me, who owns

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 1>a Staple, you know, pre cool so stable by me.

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>You and Ambush was around somewhere, just loads of cool people,

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 1>really really cool people. So I'm just in this mad

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>room and I'm like just saying to everyone, but people

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.319
<v Speaker 1>coming up to me and saying, oh, Tracy that while

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 1>go on, I'm like, this is mad.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 3>That you even know me. It's sick. It's sick that

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 3>you even know who I am. Like sick was it?

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>And they were saying yo, because in the NFT space,

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:50.879
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of rappers are just kind

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of a company will pay them to use that n

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 1>FT as their provar but they don't care or know

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 1>anything about n FTS. And I'm really like immersed in

0:45:58.680 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the space.

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 3>You're up on it? Yeah, I'm really up on it.

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like a lot of people just respect

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that I'm taking time to learn about it and get

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>involved in it. So, yeah, it was. It was a

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.359
<v Speaker 1>really nice trip, man, really really nice trip. I took

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend. She loved the exhibition. She got loads of

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 1>little moroccaromy plushes and stuff plushes. Okay, yeah, it was cool, man,

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was fire. It was really fun. It

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>was really fun.

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.359
<v Speaker 2>That's cool, man. And how do you find like when

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 2>when you were out there when you like you've played

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>shows there though, yeah, ye, when you when you because

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 2>some of those references are so nice. Do they like,

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.879
<v Speaker 2>how does it translate in the States or do they

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>just love like the easter eggs in there They're like

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:30.399
<v Speaker 2>trying to work out.

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I think they love the easts, honestly, I think that's

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.839
<v Speaker 1>what it is. And for me, it's like in America

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 1>over the years of like gained more and more respect

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 1>out there because I go there a lot. I don't

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>just wrap from the UK and send it over to America.

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually there in New York. Like I'm there on

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the ground level with people outside, you know what I'm saying.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 1>So I think they respect that a lot. And when

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I went this time, when I went on tour, because

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I came off to a AMENI like a couple months ago.

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 1>We was in New York for two nights and we

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.000
<v Speaker 1>killed it, Like AMENI is an amazing performer, and really

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>grateful we had me on there because you could have

0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>took an American artist who's bigger than me in America,

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 1>but he just you know what I'm saying through me

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.359
<v Speaker 1>the alub So I was out there and in New York,

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I was walking to like stores and bodega's and like

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.959
<v Speaker 1>shopkeepers are recognizing me, people stopping me in the street,

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, this is crazy that how do

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you not know who I am? Obviously don't get twisted.

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I know some people would know about for it to

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 1>be frequent enough that I'm walking around and people stopping

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>me is crazy, you know what I'm saying. Because New

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>York's a big place. There's a lot of people there.

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.399
<v Speaker 1>But then when I went this time again, even more

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>people were that stopping me. So I was just very

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 1>very flatted out, to be honest, very grateful man. But

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I dropped a freestyle when I was out there, which

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 1>is doing really work saying that freestyle. Yeah, it's on

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>a Jersey club beat. Yeah, and obviously Jersey club out there,

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 1>if you know, if you know about, you know about

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, it's really cool, really fire the genre of music.

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>It sounds a little bit similar to like footwork and yeah,

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>man aspout that being people expected me to spill on

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the drow beat, so I think I just called them off.

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:46.399
<v Speaker 3>God.

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see a lot of people saying that, oh

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>this is the AJ. We liked the old AJ Tracy.

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is that there's no old AJ Tracy,

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>because what depending on where you found out about me, is.

0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 3>What you think the old AJ Tracy is.

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, someone might I met me off the Butterflies

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and you think I'm a dancer artist. You might have

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>met me at Labra Groth, which a lot of people did,

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, and you think I'm a garage artist, or

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you met me when I was on radio sets with

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you know boy Better and Whatnot and Storms and Zoo

0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and all the man, then maybe you know me as

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a grandmachist. Who knows if you knew me before that,

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 1>if you did, which I doubt, or but if you did,

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:18.840
<v Speaker 1>then you know me as a rapper because I was

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>rapping before that.

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 3>So it's whatever. You know what I'm saying, that's whatever.

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>So I don't really take any of them comments too

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>seriously because I could ask like five different people from

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the comments, what SNA did you find out about me

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>listening to it? And it'll be like grime, rap, trap,

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>like droll, like you could be anything. So I'll already

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>take it that serious. Bro, You've got to give fans.

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>My producer Night has told me this and it stuck

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.840
<v Speaker 1>with me forever. He said before I made Pasta, he said, listen,

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 1>don't give fans what they want. You have to give

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 1>them what they need. And I've stuck with that forever

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:48.280
<v Speaker 1>because that's just such a fact. Before I've done Labragoth,

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 1>people are like, we don't care about garage, right, do

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you want a garage song? And I was the highest

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>selling garage song ever ever, which is just mad. But

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>like you didn't want that before.

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 2>You need to get you need told that plant.

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 3>I'll get it eventually, I'll get if I do get it.

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm not already in tending them like my friends gon

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 1>f man, I'm not buying telling them.

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:05.520
<v Speaker 3>It's just so long.

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, honestly, man, with the music thing, I love

0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 1>being very fluid and just the independency he comes into that.

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I can just make wherever I want. Gratulations

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 2>on Flu Game, Oh, thank you appreciate. I love that

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.279
<v Speaker 2>it's named after that, that there's that reference to that game,

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that Michael Jordan game. Did you know about that game already?

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Of course before the did you want to?

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I knew before the Last Chimes, but I didn't know

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>enough in depth about it before the Lost Times. But

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 1>everyone knows that if you're sneak ahead as well. There's

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 1>like Flu game sneakers and stuff like you know about

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the reference. You know what I'm saying. My dad was

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.439
<v Speaker 1>a massive Michael Jordan fan. He's just a black icon

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>in it, so yeah, yeah, it's just default for us

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 1>to know about him. But I didn't know like in

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>depth until the documentary.

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Which documentary is incredibly.

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 3>One of the best ever. Yeah, one of the best

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 3>documentaries I've ever watched ever.

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And I thought he comes across like it's interesting. He

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>comes across brilliant in it. But you know there's that

0:49:56.600 --> 0:50:00.040
<v Speaker 2>bit where he gets gets a bit upset because the

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.240
<v Speaker 2>others are like saying that he was like would shower

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 2>at people and stuff, and he gets to like a

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you see like this little kind of really human Yeah, exactly, exactly,

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>It's really nice that fit.

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:10.879
<v Speaker 3>You know what I always say to people. I always

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:11.439
<v Speaker 3>say this to everyone.

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 1>My girl is a massive Beyonce fan, like die hard,

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>massive die hard fan. Yeah, so like she thinks she

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 1>can do no wrong. You know what I'm saying. She

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 1>just floats and just you know what I'm saying. So

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I just told her that I said. A lot of

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.160
<v Speaker 1>people think about me is they think that I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>like hard headed and like I don't like taking criticism

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But the thing is, actually it's not even

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 1>about that. It is that for you to be at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of your game, it requires a certain level

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of harshness, Like you have to be cold sometimes because

0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you expended and giving out your energy and want to

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 1>everyone just you're not gonna get anything.

0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna achieve anything.

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So with people like you know, Ronaldo, people say, oh,

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Ronaldo slap the fan, the fans phone out of his hand. Listen,

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not condoning that at all. I definitely do not

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 1>agree with that. Would I do that probably, I'm just

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:56.280
<v Speaker 1>being honest. That's just me being honest. You know, like Viera,

0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I would do that too. I'm not gonna lie.

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I said that last night like ten seconds and he's

0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>just ignoring the bro and it's obviously you're a human

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 1>starting snaps and he I'm gonna kick him.

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would kick him. I would have kicked himay

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 3>before that. Yeah.

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's just me. But I'm just saying. You know,

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 1>when people celebrity do these things and people are like, oh, like,

0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you're a bad person because you snapped it, Like they

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>don't snap ninety nine percent of their time, but because

0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.280
<v Speaker 1>you hold him to this high standard when they do snap,

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 1>it's the end of the world, you.

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Know what I'm saying.

0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I just think with Jordan, like

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people say, you know, he was horrible

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to all the other players.

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:26.759
<v Speaker 3>He used to shower everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And Okay, I hear you, But think about how he

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.640
<v Speaker 1>is on himself as well, Like he's the same way

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.399
<v Speaker 1>with himself, Like he will put himself through the gym

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>every day for hours grueling training. I'm saying to make

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>sure he's the best he could be. So I mean,

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>as long as there's one rule for everyone, that's my rule.

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>As long as you're doing the same for everyone, it's

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 1>fine in my opinion personally. So yeah, man, but I

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 1>love that documentary. I think he came across well. But

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 1>he gave me an understanding as to like what it

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.759
<v Speaker 1>is to be a winner. Yeah, at the top level.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that that there's that section where he talks about

0:51:56.680 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 2>how he would kind of he doesn't really specially talk

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:01.960
<v Speaker 2>about it, but the others will talk about it. How

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.799
<v Speaker 2>he would kind of create a beef with someone to

0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:08.399
<v Speaker 2>give him drive him, giving that extra thing to win,

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Like he's essentially tormented himself to win. That's how much he.

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Wants to win. He's like, that's a real thing, bro.

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of trolling himself.

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 3>That's a real thing. That's a real thing.

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Thing about that, you know, even when you see I

0:52:19.880 --> 0:52:21.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've noticed it, but people who pay

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>attention to football can really see that, Like you know,

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Holland and in bape they're kind of trying to force

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.799
<v Speaker 1>a rivalry. But like it makes sense because without Messi,

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:30.480
<v Speaker 1>there's no Ronaldo about Ronaldo's no message.

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Need someone to push you.

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And if they're competing saying, like you know, they take

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 1>little not digs at each other, but they say little

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 1>things to reference each other. You know, like someone might

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:42.279
<v Speaker 1>asking Bapey who's who's the best young player in the

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Champions League right now and he's just like, obviously me,

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 1>there's no one close. But you know that Halland said

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 1>yesterday that it's him. And you know what I'm saying,

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 1>there's obviously a little but you need that because then

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:51.319
<v Speaker 1>when you play, you're like, not only am I doing

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>it for me, I'm actually doing it to batter my

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.839
<v Speaker 1>rival as well, Like I've got a point to prove it.

0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 3>So you get extra glory with the extra torment.

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 1>It's extra glory because then people gonna be like, on

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 1>top of that, and you've done in Hallan, I'm saying.

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:06.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so everyone needs a nemesis. Everyone needs a nemesis.

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Talking of like sports, documentaries. Yeah, you've seen have you

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 2>seen the Tottenham one?

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Which one the the one that they make abou Arsenal

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 3>and the Amazon thing?

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:18.320
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, the one that came out during.

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Lockowes, Yes, with Marino and Delli. Have seen it.

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I've not seen that.

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 3>You gotta watch. It's great entertainment. Was a neutral? You

0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:27.480
<v Speaker 3>will love that? Yeah?

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are the big what the big takeaways from it?

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 3>The big takeaways for me is that there's.

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:34.520
<v Speaker 2>There anything you learned in there that you were like,

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't expecting that and this is shown me. This

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:39.279
<v Speaker 2>is showed me something I didn't know.

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kind of kind of not to be a football snobbyer,

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>but like because I love Tattenham and they really get

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 1>me involved with the club. I've been in like the

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.879
<v Speaker 1>tunnel a halftime, heard what they say to the ref.

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I've heard everything. So I wasn't super shocked, but it

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 1>was funny to me that, like the way the manager

0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 1>speaks to the players shocked me a little bit. Like

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 1>obviously it's Marinho. Marinho is a different kind of manager

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and I love him personally. Loads of people hate so like,

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>don't kill me for that, but I love him. I

0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 1>think he's great. He's really passionate, and he cares about

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.799
<v Speaker 1>what he does. He clearly loves football, which matters to

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>me because some managers don't know football. They're just there

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 1>because they can manage. So when he was talking to

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:15.279
<v Speaker 1>like the team and he said, none of you played well,

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 1>none of you were good enough. No, it's just no,

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it, Like if you don't play better,

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:21.319
<v Speaker 1>then you can just go, I don't care about you.

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Like for me, that's needed. I think that's needed personally.

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 1>But everyone was like, that's so harsh. You can't say

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that to your players. But bro, it's like, you get

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:30.360
<v Speaker 1>paid so much money.

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. You get paid so much money to

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 3>do this job.

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Surely you can't just walk around your head down for

0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:37.359
<v Speaker 1>ninety minutes like these people travel like you just said,

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 1>you go all the way from from Essex to Liverpool, Like,

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:42.520
<v Speaker 1>surely we didn't make this journey for you to put

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:44.279
<v Speaker 1>your head down for ninety minutes. Like I traveled to

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Spain to watch tournament, the Champion League final, and I

0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>was so gassed. I've never been so gass in my

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 1>life because I didn't mind losing. I swear to God,

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't mind losing, but also not in that fashion

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>like I wanted to lose that.

0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 3>You know. We tried really hard with yeah losing. Yeah, bro,

0:54:58.520 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I can't lie to you.

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing that I always say, Like, as

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:04.800
<v Speaker 1>long as you're giving it you all, then it's all right, honestly,

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.120
<v Speaker 1>genuinely in everything you give it you all, then it's whatever.

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>No one can you know, you can't have any regrets.

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Just start have any regrets. You left it all out

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.360
<v Speaker 1>there on the pitch or in the booth or on

0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 1>stage or whatever.

0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:13.799
<v Speaker 3>You're good.

0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:15.719
<v Speaker 1>No one could comment on your team, like, and people

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 1>can see when you care and you're trying. Like when

0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I come on stage and I'm I'm soaking with sweat

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and like I'm like i've been I've performed loads of times.

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Ill you know what I'm saying.

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I got I get allergic, askma sometimes so like I'm

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 1>dying on stage, I'm not fit, and I come off

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm dead and I'm just quiet for forty five minutes,

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>sitting in my little green room, quiet and people say

0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:33.919
<v Speaker 1>that you know what I'm saying. Look, he's the steam

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>coming off him. He gave it everything. Whereas some artists

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 1>go out there and they're just here to collect the check.

0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:40.279
<v Speaker 1>There's a backing track playing. They're not even spitting their balls.

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 1>They're just like stabbing their lyrics.

0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 3>It's a shame, you know what I'm saying. It's just

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 3>a shame.

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, man, that take away, my takeaway is definitely

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the way the manager spoke to the players.

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 3>I've never seen anything like that. Never. Never.

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I thought he'd be a bit softer, you know, like

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 1>man management is meant to be a key point in

0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 1>being a manager. You got to look after the players individually.

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's different and when I different needs of course, but

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 1>he just blanket said, yeah, bam, all of you are

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 1>whack man up, Like yeah, fair enough.

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 3>It is what it is.

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Man, I could talk to you all day black. I

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 2>understand that you know, time's getting on, it's the weekend.

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything like we is anything you want to

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.319
<v Speaker 2>get in that we've like that we've not touched on.

0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Not really, man, I would say I would just like

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:22.959
<v Speaker 1>to say, like, obviously I hope people are considering things

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:25.440
<v Speaker 1>like Grenfell and it doesn't slip their mind that not

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to take it super political, but that the government just

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 1>don't really care about issues like that. It happened, everyone

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 1>knows what happened, and they've just let whoever did it

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.040
<v Speaker 1>get away with it. And it's a bit of a shame.

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, doesn't really set a good

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 1>example for the rest of London. It's like saying, you know,

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 1>if poor people live in this block, black and Muslim people,

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna let it happen. But I know if

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.399
<v Speaker 1>that was a rich, white, you know, expensive time block,

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:48.320
<v Speaker 1>they'd be well, they wouldn't even be cudding on the

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>block for a start. Yeah, but yeah, just things that

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say. Yeah, I hope everyone's attention

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 1>is on things like Saturday, you know what I'm saying,

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 1>nice little football game for charity for Grenfell and yeah, man,

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.359
<v Speaker 1>just just spreading positively and mental health is a good

0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>thing to be aware of. Yeah, check in on your friends.

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Just trying to cramb in some nice points here.

0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:05.959
<v Speaker 3>This is good.

0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah man, that's that's about it. I'll be honest, that's it.

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:09.560
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