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Speaker 1: that says explore everywhere and I just need to input

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Speaker 1: my location. Okay, just put JFK.

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Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg reporter Natalie Lung. She told me that

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Speaker 2: recently she's been paying a lot of attention to the

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Speaker 2: travel website skyscanner.

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Speaker 1: And then it shows everything from the cheapest to the

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Speaker 1: most expensive, and the next cheapest one outside the US

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Speaker 1: is Canada as well as Puerto Rico. So sounds good

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Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, yeah, how cheap is cheap? So let's

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Speaker 1: see for San Juan is one hundred and fifteen dollars.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing some four star hotels.

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Speaker 2: Natalie said she has been browsing skyscanner to find herself

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Speaker 2: some cheap vacation options. She's been using it for work. Really.

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Speaker 1: I cover tech for Bloomberg in New York, so I

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Speaker 1: cover a couple of companies, including in the travel space

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Speaker 2: And recently Natalie noticed people were using travel booking sites

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Speaker 2: like skyscanner differently than they used to. People weren't looking

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Skyscanner and they were saying they consistently

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Speaker 2: COVID lockdowns first lifted, and it got Natalie thinking, is

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Speaker 2: On the show, Americans are back to spending less on travel.

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Speaker 2: They're trading in extravagant post COVID trips for budget friendly deals.

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Speaker 2: We look at what that means for everything from airlines

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Speaker 2: and hospitality to your next vacation. I'm Sarah Holder and

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Speaker 2: This is the big take from Blueberg News. At this point,

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Speaker 2: People were eager to get out, and the travel companies

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