WEBVTT - Selena: Gone But Never Forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph, I know you very well and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer. But what was your dream job growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in El Paso, Texas?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my dream job growing up was that I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to help people and make people feel better, like pretty

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<v Speaker 2>like pretty, Yeah, pretty much. I just I wanted people

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<v Speaker 2>to come to me for me to make them feel pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my dream job.

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<v Speaker 1>And fast forward and you are living the dream job

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<v Speaker 1>now as a celebrity makeup artist. But Joseph, what if

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<v Speaker 1>I told you that In nineteen ninety four, Selena Kitania

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<v Speaker 1>opened a hybrid beauty salon and fashion boutique.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, a new dream job unlocked? Tell me more.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we could have worked there together. I could

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<v Speaker 1>have styled the girls. You could have done their makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have been the dream team for Selena's boutique. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So a year after Selena won her first Grammy, she

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<v Speaker 1>founded Selena et Cetera in Corpus and they had two

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<v Speaker 1>locations right, one in Corpus, one in San Antonio, and

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<v Speaker 1>each location was a one stop shop for everything like

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<v Speaker 1>head to toe. By the way, why does this not

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<v Speaker 1>exist now? So if you walked into her store, you

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<v Speaker 1>could get your hair done, your nails done, you could

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<v Speaker 1>shop for like your birthday look, and among those looks

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<v Speaker 1>were all racks and racks of pieces designed by Selena

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<v Speaker 1>herself alongside designer Martin Gomez. So we are talking one

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<v Speaker 1>stop shop for style.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I would definitely be overqualified because I was

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<v Speaker 2>just in l I have sixteen Vogue stories, five Vogue covers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what do you see?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm pretty sure you would have been like

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<v Speaker 1>a dream higher for the Keith Nias. Not gonna lie

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<v Speaker 1>like they would kill to have your talent. But sadly

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<v Speaker 1>we all know that Selena et Cetera is not around anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Oooh okay, how dare you give me a new dream

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<v Speaker 2>job only to crush my dreams right in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it wasn't very nice to me, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was just trying to set the scene for our audience listening.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine, It's fine, all in the line of Judy

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<v Speaker 2>as a podcast co host. Anyway, continue, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Selena Etcetera was Selena's first business excursion outside of music,

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<v Speaker 1>and after the breakout success of nineteen ninety two's and

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<v Speaker 1>Tremimundo and nineteen ninety three's Selena Live. Selena's power as

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<v Speaker 1>a brand was clear.

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<v Speaker 2>And her iconic, if slightly beatle does she look for?

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<v Speaker 2>The cover of Entremimundo was her own design, as were

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<v Speaker 2>many of her on stage looks.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she was a fashion designer, maybe not like classically trained,

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<v Speaker 1>but she definitely had a point of view, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this boutique for her made a ton of sense creatively

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<v Speaker 1>and business wise, and as a nice bonus. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a venture that Abraham would have zero control over.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the mohawk energy continues.

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<v Speaker 1>And for this exact reason, her dad was really resistant

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<v Speaker 1>to this business. But Selena et Cetera opened its doors

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<v Speaker 1>to immediate success, and Selena would soon enter negotiations to

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<v Speaker 1>open other locations in Monterrey and in Puerto Rico, and

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of just a year, Selena et Cetera

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<v Speaker 1>would met the singer more than five million dollars. Hold

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<v Speaker 1>on a second, can we just talk about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Selena was an influencer before all of these influencer

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<v Speaker 1>bitches like here we are now with all these influencer collections,

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<v Speaker 1>this girl was the og influencer.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean five million dollars from two locations. She was

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<v Speaker 2>five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that now, like a nineteen ninety four five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars was bank.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fifty billion. She was literally over. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>she's building an empire overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was an empire made up of legions of

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<v Speaker 1>her devoted fans. Honestly, if she were around today, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. I know that the number one most followed

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<v Speaker 1>person on Instagram is Selena Gomez, but I have a

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<v Speaker 1>feeling Quintania would dethrone Gomez as like the queen of social.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's capital f fandom. Your behind your swifties.

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<v Speaker 2>They do not compare to the follow up.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but back before fans could tap into a network

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<v Speaker 1>of millions with the tap of a phone. These diehard

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<v Speaker 1>fans had fan clubs, regional fan clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Fans had to put in the work. Back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>you would pay a fee through the mail to get

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<v Speaker 2>access to exclusive fan goodies. Again through the mail, the

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<v Speaker 2>snail mail, like the mailbox.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and back in the day, if you wanted more Selena,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how you got it. By nineteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>Selena's biggest San Antonio area fan club had reached more

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<v Speaker 1>than five thousand members.

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<v Speaker 2>Together with your fashion boutiques. This was the start of

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<v Speaker 2>something big the empire.

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<v Speaker 1>But sadly, the very same person in charge of those

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<v Speaker 1>new pillars of Selena's empire would be the one to

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<v Speaker 1>bring about its premature end. I know Joseph today on

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming an Icon, Selena's meteoric rise and untimely fall. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Liliana Osquez.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.

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<v Speaker 1>A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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<v Speaker 1>how today's most famous Latin v stars have shaped pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And given the world some extra level.

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<v Speaker 1>Sit back and get comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we are going in the only way we know.

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<v Speaker 1>How with whenas, I'm unassas and a lot of opinions

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<v Speaker 1>as we relive their greatest achievements on our journey to

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<v Speaker 1>find out what makes them still iconic. After the success

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<v Speaker 1>of enfre Mi Mundo, there came no rest for the weary.

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<v Speaker 2>Selena Ilosdino's found themselves on a tight deadline for the

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<v Speaker 2>follow up, so much so that they skipped their usual

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<v Speaker 2>January vacation to work on the album.

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<v Speaker 1>Production on Amor Privido lasted six months while recording took

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<v Speaker 1>around two weeks, as did post production. Recording was snuck

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<v Speaker 1>in in between touring commitments and opening of Selena's aforementioned

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<v Speaker 1>fashion boutiques.

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<v Speaker 2>This makes it sound like such a rush job, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet it's arguably their best album.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people thrive with a deadline. I am

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<v Speaker 1>part of that club. Agreed, and fortunately at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in the band's career they were firing on all cylinders.

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<v Speaker 2>Singles like Comola Floor had broken Selena through the audiences

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<v Speaker 2>from all across the Latino world. So with amor Pramdo,

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<v Speaker 2>the band pushed the limits of Cumbia like they never

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<v Speaker 2>had before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's the mix of Mariacci and Cumbia on Cunaves

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<v Speaker 1>that song.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's a cumbia fied cover of a Pretender

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<v Speaker 2>song Photosqueros.

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<v Speaker 1>What photosuerdos is not an original Selena song? Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you know everything?

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<v Speaker 2>It was born that way?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this is why I love doing this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>because that is one of my favorite Selena songs. And

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that photos Iriquerdos is a Cumbia

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<v Speaker 1>fied version of a Pretender song. I straight up thought

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<v Speaker 1>Aby wrote that and was like jamming it out. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you know the more you know. Okay, back

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast, and by the way, there's of course

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<v Speaker 1>the reggae cumbia of b O.

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<v Speaker 2>Love, and it's all tied together with that voice. Selena

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<v Speaker 2>is innocent and buvely on the title track and on

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<v Speaker 2>Chico de la Partamento close. Then on souna vest she's

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<v Speaker 2>snarling vengeful as she disavows her former love.

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<v Speaker 1>Same with the closing track. Ya know, she goes full roquet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. According to Chris, Selena had sort of fallen in

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<v Speaker 2>love with acting. By that point. She had appeared in

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<v Speaker 2>a number of Mexican tele novelas in the past couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years and was in negotiations to star in one.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably brought that cher performances in the booth.

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<v Speaker 1>One thousand percent. You could really see her starting to

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<v Speaker 1>scratch that acting itch. When she started putting out the

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<v Speaker 1>videos for songs like Amorribido and Noma Kadamas like girl

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<v Speaker 1>was serving you face.

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<v Speaker 2>She was definitely in every single shot front and back.

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<v Speaker 2>She was. She is a star. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's talk about amor Pribido because every time

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<v Speaker 1>I see this video, it is such a bizarre video

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<v Speaker 1>for that song, Like when you hear the song Amobido,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think like Joshua Tree, Selena like dancing doors. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the weird sets in the middle of the desert.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that he for me in this video is

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<v Speaker 1>Selena's wardrobe. Yes, guys, it is so quintessential classic Selena.

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<v Speaker 1>So she is in like her Levi She's got her

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<v Speaker 1>white button down, very tight painted Levi's and then she's

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<v Speaker 1>got Chris's shirt that she like tied up like crop

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<v Speaker 1>top style.

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<v Speaker 2>The way she wore those oversized shirts so well, but

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<v Speaker 2>also such tight clothes, like she really just would bring it.

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<v Speaker 2>She would bring it. So speaking of bringing it, hold

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<v Speaker 2>on back to Nomakadamas. The dress. I can't like the

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<v Speaker 2>way she showed up like a star. She's such a

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<v Speaker 2>pageant girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's the beauty queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the curl and the front her hair, that dress.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't she wear that dress before?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you have such a good eye. So the dress

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<v Speaker 1>that Selena is wearing in the video for Noma Ka

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<v Speaker 1>Damas is actually her Grammy's dress that she wore to

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<v Speaker 1>accept her grammy. But I think what so cool about

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<v Speaker 1>this dress is that do you know that she bought

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<v Speaker 1>it at the mall.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course she was at the mall eating pizza. Duh.

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<v Speaker 1>She obviously bought it at the mall. She was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna wear this dress and win a Grammy and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm going to get my cost per wear out

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<v Speaker 1>of it and wear it in the v Vale.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>She bought it at the Houston Galeria. And the dress

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<v Speaker 1>was from a brand who I'm blanking on the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the brand, but it was part of the Cachet family.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember Cache Stop dude.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would go with my mom and my friends

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<v Speaker 2>take Cashet during Christmas. At the church that I went to,

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<v Speaker 2>they had something called the Haaladazzle and everybody would have

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<v Speaker 2>to look the best, and so no one would go

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<v Speaker 2>to Express or anything like that. Everyone would go to

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<v Speaker 2>Cachet to get like the dresses. I can't believe I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that, and now it probably sells for I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know well.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun fact, so that dress is actually completely out of production,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when the costume designer for the Jennifer Lopez

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<v Speaker 1>Lina movie went to get the original, they actually remade

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<v Speaker 1>it just for the film for j Loo, which is

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<v Speaker 1>amazing because like they didn't even have it anymore. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you are interested in Selena's fashion, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to visit the Selena Museum in Corpus Christi. That is

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<v Speaker 1>where the dress is. It lives in the house, along

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<v Speaker 1>with like so many of her costumes. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>ever in Corpus and you're like, what should we do,

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Selena Museum. Back to the album. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that Selena's brother Ab was, in his words,

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<v Speaker 1>on the verge of a nervous breakdown throughout the entire

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<v Speaker 1>production process, poor.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy always felt the pressure a.

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<v Speaker 1>Motorproib though, stands out as a labor of love from

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<v Speaker 1>a band at its peak. Ab would come to Selena

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<v Speaker 1>unsure of his song ideas, and Selena's reassurance would power

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<v Speaker 1>him through the rest of the process.

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<v Speaker 2>One of Aby's fondest memories comes from the recording of

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<v Speaker 2>Nomaka Damas, which Selena had recorded in only four takes.

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<v Speaker 1>AB now wanted to do a fifth take, but Selena

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<v Speaker 1>basically said, uh no, I'm going to the mall.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, all I want to do is eat pizza at

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<v Speaker 2>the mall with Selena.

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<v Speaker 1>But Aviy in her grammy dress and the hair from

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<v Speaker 1>the video.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>The lead single for Amor Purvido was the title track. However,

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<v Speaker 1>AB had fought to get beaty Bitty bomb Bomb to

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<v Speaker 1>be first in line.

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<v Speaker 2>I love beatty beatty bomb Bomb, but I think the

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<v Speaker 2>label made the right move there for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But quick tangent about beatty bitty bombomb and why AB

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<v Speaker 1>loved it so much. So the story goes like this.

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<v Speaker 1>When the band was on tour, they would vamp on

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<v Speaker 1>stage during their soundchecks. Selena would make up lyrics and

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<v Speaker 1>sing kind of like nonsense about whatever she saw on

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<v Speaker 1>stage that day. She was singing the phrase itty bitty

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<v Speaker 1>bubbles and you're probably wondering why. Well, apparently there was

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<v Speaker 1>a bubble machine somewhere on that stage, not surprising if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever seen them play live. And somewhere along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>itty bitty bubbles became beatty beaty bomb bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can hear that right totally one hundred I

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<v Speaker 2>hear I heard it when you said itty bitty bubbles.

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<v Speaker 1>Point is that song grew completely organically from the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that this band was totally in sync, like they could

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<v Speaker 1>take a improvised phrase like antybody bubbles and put it

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<v Speaker 1>through the Selena and Aby magic and get a hit

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<v Speaker 1>like beaty Bitty Bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Bumb They were at the absolute height of their live performances.

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<v Speaker 1>Which brings us too.

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<v Speaker 2>The Astrodome.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety five, on the tour for Almordreddo, Selena

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<v Speaker 1>played a legendary show at the Houston Astrodome featuring that

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<v Speaker 1>iconic purple jumpsuit. Wow, this performance happened I think just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months, maybe a month before she tragically

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<v Speaker 1>passed away. I mean, this is a massive undertaking. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there were more than sixty thousand people at this concert,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course I think what people remember most is

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<v Speaker 1>the iconic purple jumpsuit, which is also at the Selena

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<v Speaker 1>moussail in Corpus Christie.

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<v Speaker 2>Love that, Okay, See, that's why we need to go,

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<v Speaker 2>because I really want to see that material, like because

0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.520
<v Speaker 2>it was like shiny, it had like little crystals or

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<v Speaker 2>diamonds or was it just kind of like an iridescent

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<v Speaker 2>to it? You know. Speaking of this performance inspires me

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<v Speaker 2>to just shake my shoulders because she was just moving

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<v Speaker 2>up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, there's such a beauty to this concert, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's also such a sadness because I think when you

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<v Speaker 1>go back and watch, and it's been released as a

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<v Speaker 1>special you can watch it online or stream it. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you see her performing this, she is at the

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<v Speaker 1>very top of her game. And when you see her

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<v Speaker 1>singing AMoD brobido and like by Leastacumbia in the purple

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<v Speaker 1>jumpsuit in front of sixty thousand screaming devoted fit in

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<v Speaker 1>her home state, like I'm getting goosebumps, like you can

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<v Speaker 1>see them. Yes, I'm getting goosebumps because I really think

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<v Speaker 1>this venue, this location, this night really highlighted the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she had it all, like the potential, the star power,

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<v Speaker 1>the singing chops, like the world was hers for the

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<v Speaker 1>takeing and tragically we know what happened, just like not

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<v Speaker 1>too long after this show. So it's almost like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a beautiful concert to watch and if you

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<v Speaker 1>love Selena, please go back and watch it. Like her

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<v Speaker 1>live is better than any like recording of Selena. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is such a sadness to me in this show

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<v Speaker 1>because you see what could have been.

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<v Speaker 2>As I was watching it, you know, I just was

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<v Speaker 2>smiling the whole time, Like my cheeks got tired because

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<v Speaker 2>I was just watching it. I was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like wow. Also just to see her give it her all.

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<v Speaker 1>This performance is like peak peak Selena. Right. It broke

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<v Speaker 1>attendance records, and earlier on the tour, Selena had also

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<v Speaker 1>broken the attendance record at Miami's Gaiotro Festival. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Selena's biggest tour yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm What for You, Though, spent ninety eight consecutive weeks

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<v Speaker 2>at the number one on Billboard's Top Latin Albums Chart,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven consecutive weeks at number one in the regional

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican Album chart, and.

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<v Speaker 1>At the Tajanno Music Awards, Selena swept, winning every category

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<v Speaker 1>she was nominated in. The album won three Billboard Latin

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<v Speaker 1>Music Awards and a slew of other Latin music awards.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet it got snubbed at the Grammys, receiving only

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<v Speaker 2>a nomination.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it together, guys, I feel like the Grammys have

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<v Speaker 1>been out of sync with what is actually happening in

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<v Speaker 1>music for decades on decades on decades since then, and

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<v Speaker 1>they never got it together. You know, here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do? Right, Grammy or no Grammy?

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<v Speaker 1>With Amore prodido, Selena was the biggest Latin American star

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<v Speaker 1>in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of nineteen ninety four, it had sold

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<v Speaker 1>half a million copies with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Label was finally satisfied. As Selena and the band continued touring,

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<v Speaker 2>EMI began setting the stage for Selena's English language crossover album.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we all know, the long awaited crossover would

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<v Speaker 1>never come. We should say that we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>linger too long on this part of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Given the choice between remembering how Selena was taken from

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<v Speaker 2>us and remembering all that she gave us, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take a bit more from Columbi.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, the show is becoming an icon, not losing

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<v Speaker 1>an icon. But of course we all know that tragically

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<v Speaker 1>we did lose one at the hands of one Yolanda Saldivar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yolanda Saldivar worked as a nurse before taking her niece

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<v Speaker 2>to say Selena in concert back in ninety one during

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<v Speaker 2>the Entre Mimundo tour.

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<v Speaker 1>After seeing Selena in concert, Salivad went from Selena skeptic

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<v Speaker 1>to Selena fanatic. She was inspired to start the Selena

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<v Speaker 1>Fan Club in San Antonio.

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<v Speaker 2>So she called it Abraham a number of times. He says.

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<v Speaker 2>She left him fifteen messages she would say that she

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<v Speaker 2>only left.

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<v Speaker 1>Him three, whatever the number was. Knowing Abraham, some part

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<v Speaker 1>of him must have appreciated the persistence, so he granted

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<v Speaker 1>her permission to form the fan club. Selena met Salivad

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<v Speaker 1>in December of nineteen ninety one, and a friendship formed.

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<v Speaker 2>For twenty two dollars, fan club members would receive Selena memorabilia,

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<v Speaker 2>a T shirt, exclusive interviews with the band, fun facts

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<v Speaker 2>about Selena and the Dinos because remember this was pre

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<v Speaker 2>internet and concert announcements.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen ninety four, more than eight thousand fans had

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<v Speaker 1>joined the club. By the way, not me doing the

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<v Speaker 1>math on like eight thousand times twenty two dollars, you

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<v Speaker 1>would always a hustler anyway, Salivad quit nursing to run

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<v Speaker 1>the fan club full time. By then, the whole family

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<v Speaker 1>had come to trust her, so much so that Selena

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<v Speaker 1>hired her to manage the new Selena et Cetera boutiques

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<v Speaker 1>in Corpus Christi and San Antonio.

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<v Speaker 2>Selena would then go on to sign Saldivar as her

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<v Speaker 2>registered agent in San Antonio, putting Saldivar in charge of

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<v Speaker 2>all legal affairs relating to Selena's business ventures.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, never do that. There is no lesson learned,

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<v Speaker 1>lesson learned, never ever. And here's why. Saldivar was authorized

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<v Speaker 1>to write and cash checks in connection with Selena's business

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<v Speaker 1>and was given an American Express card for business expenses.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where the family started to notice things

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<v Speaker 2>were off.

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<v Speaker 1>The Selena, Etcetera company bank accounts couldn't pay the bills

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<v Speaker 1>due to Saldivar's lavish use of the AMEX card on

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Town cars, expensive restaurants, and cell phones.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, two cell phones is kind of sus even today,

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<v Speaker 2>but in nine, nineteen ninety five, what was that bitch thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>One was a burner? Clearly Meanwhile, Selena ecceid. Her employees

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<v Speaker 1>were calling Saldivar two faced, saying that she was nice

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>when Selena was around, but abused them. When no one

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<v Speaker 1>from the family was there to notice.

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<v Speaker 2>Saldovar fired anyone she didn't like, and within a year,

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<v Speaker 2>both boutiques had lost more than half their staff, each

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<v Speaker 2>going from thirty eight employees to just fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The remaining employees became fed up and raised their concerns

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<v Speaker 1>to Selena, but Selena trusted Saldivar, so she stayed.

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Selena's cousin was hired to work with Saldivar and helped

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<v Speaker 2>extend the business into Mexico. She quit within a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Saldivar also fought with Selena's fashion designer, Martin Gomez, who

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<v Speaker 1>accused her of mutilating his pieces and establishing a reign

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<v Speaker 1>of terror.

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<v Speaker 2>In retaliation, Saldivar recorded her conversations with Gomez in order

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<v Speaker 2>to convince Selena to sideline him, and Selena did. Reporters

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<v Speaker 2>from the Dallas Morning News reported that Saldivar's devotion to

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<v Speaker 2>Selena quote unquote bordered on obsession.

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<v Speaker 1>When Selena began consulting a business associate in Monterrey in

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<v Speaker 1>the hopes of opening a boutique there, Saldivar's intense jealousy

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<v Speaker 1>led Selena to visit the area incognito, wearing wigs and

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<v Speaker 1>flying under her husband's surname, all to hide it from Saldivar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who needs a friend like that. Finally, in January

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, the dam Baroque Abraham became inundated with

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<v Speaker 2>calls and letters from the Selena fan club members who

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't received their memorabilia despite paying the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fee and at both Selena, etcetera. Boutiques. Overdue bills began

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<v Speaker 1>to pile up in the mail.

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<v Speaker 2>So Abraham went investigating and found that Saldivar had embezzled

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<v Speaker 2>over sixty thousand dollars from both the fan club and

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<v Speaker 2>the boutiques.

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham confronted Saldivar with documentation of the missing funds. He

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<v Speaker 1>grilled her for an explanation. According to Abraham, she simply

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<v Speaker 1>stared at him as he questioned her. Eventually, she got up.

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<v Speaker 2>And left, and Abraham pulled an Abraham for once with

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<v Speaker 2>good reason and forbid Saldivar from contacting Selena.

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<v Speaker 1>But Selena was reluctant to cut ties with her. She

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<v Speaker 1>still trusted Saldivar's business acumen, and Saldivar had access to

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<v Speaker 1>bank records and other documents necessary for taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where I start yelling at the TV, like, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>just hire a tax guy and get the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is a lifetime movie playing before our eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's real, you guys, and we all know how

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<v Speaker 1>it ends. It's like so hard to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>this place. And Selena like she was so sweet and trusting, right,

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<v Speaker 1>she kept Saldivar in her orbit. Despite all of these

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<v Speaker 1>red flags, Saldivar then bought a pistol and repeatedly attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to lure Selena into a hotel room alone. On March

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<v Speaker 1>thirty first, nineteen ninety five, Saldivar succeeded.

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<v Speaker 2>That morning, Selena went to Saldivar's motel room to retrieve

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<v Speaker 2>more stolen goods and bank records from her, and, according

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<v Speaker 2>to a boutique employee who had spoken to her to

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<v Speaker 2>fire Saldivar.

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<v Speaker 1>At the motel, guests heard an argument, then a gunshot.

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<v Speaker 1>Selena had been shot in the back as she attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to flee. She managed to run to the lobby and

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>named Saldivar as her assailant, but there she collapsed.

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Paramedics attempted to revive her for over an hour, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was no use. Selena was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The day after Selena's murder, thousands of grieving fans showed

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<v Speaker 1>up for a candlelight vigil. Then the family displayed her

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<v Speaker 1>casket at the Bayfront Auditorium. An hour before the viewing,

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a rumor circulated that the casket was empty, so the

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>family decided to go open casket. Between thirty and forty

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 1>thousand fans viewed Selena's remains, while seventy eight thousand signed

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a book of condolences. The following day, she was buried

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<v Speaker 1>at Seaside Memorial Park in Corpus Christi, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>We feel her loss so deeply as fans, it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>easy to forget how devastating it must have been for

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the family. Apart from losing their artistic center of gravity,

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.679
<v Speaker 2>they lost a sister, a daughter, a wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, in an oral history of Selena's life an

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<v Speaker 1>Untimely Death in Texas Monthly, Suzette Keithania would say, I

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<v Speaker 1>used to get out all my photos and open up

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<v Speaker 1>my sister's traveling makeup case so I could smell her.

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<v Speaker 1>I took over the boutiques because I knew Selena would

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<v Speaker 1>have wanted to keep them going. But it was traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>all day. Every day people came into the store to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me how much they loved my sister, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I had to go into the back and just cry

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<v Speaker 1>and cry. To this day, my mother doesn't talk publicly

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<v Speaker 1>about what happened. Chris kind of shut down. He left

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<v Speaker 1>everything in the house exactly as it was the day

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>she died. Dad consumed himself.

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<v Speaker 2>With work, In the same article, Aby would say that

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<v Speaker 2>nothing would ever be the same as sharing the stage

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 2>with his sister. Quote when we performed in Central America,

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<v Speaker 2>there were times when the emotion was so overwhelming that

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I would start to cry. I would turn away from

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the crowd and act like something was wrong with the

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>amplifier until I gathered myself. You have to understand, she

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 2>was generating electricity, and I was part of that conductor.

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I was never able to recreate that high again. Meanwhile,

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>according to one reporter, Abraham went on autopilot in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of Selena's death, wrangling reporters and handling funeral arrangements.

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<v Speaker 1>But Selena's mother Marcella would tell Susette, your father cries

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>in the shower because he doesn't want me to know

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>he's crying. He thinks I can't hear him, but I can.

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<v Speaker 2>For all that there is to say about Abraham, and

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 2>we've said plenty, you got to feel for him here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. It's sometimes hard to distinguish between Abraham the dad

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and Abraham the businessman, But if you think of them

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 1>as one and the same, it's a little easier to

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>wrap your head around why he was as fiercely protective

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>as he was over the band and over Selena in particular.

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>A parent's worst nightmare is losing their kids. A business

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>owner's worst nightmare is losing the business. Both of these

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>things happened, and like, maybe we feel a little ikey

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>about the second part, but I'm not sure that makes

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 2>his grief any less real.

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 1>And it all happened at the hands of someone Abraham

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 1>and Selena were willing to trust, as opposed to someone

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Abraham was skeptical towards right away, like Chris.

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.919
<v Speaker 2>For example, Blame tends to follow death. In the best cases,

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you end up blaming yourself for a loved one's passing.

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.199
<v Speaker 1>But in a lot of cases, blame gets passed around,

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>especially in a death as traumatic as this one. Bad

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>blood still remains between Abraham and Chris. Meanwhile, some fans

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>accuse Abraham of milking his daughter's memory decades after her passing,

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.479
<v Speaker 1>while others her accusations at Chris.

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Grief has this horrible dark power when it's attached to tragedy,

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 2>like the killer went to jail, and yet we still

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 2>need an answer for the injustice.

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>And if you ever spent any time going through the

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 1>comments on YouTube for old Selena videos, you see a

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of people imagining what could have.

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Been Selena playing at the Super Bowl halftime show, Selena

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>on the collab with the new Hot Artist.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And you'll also see plenty of arguments on how Selena

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>is remembered, Selena as a commodity, Selena as an untouchable idol.

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Not to mention arguments over where Selena would stand today

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>on certain political issues, We'll say as a Mexican American

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>woman with a religious upbringing.

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 1>Which, without getting into it, suffice it to say, we

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>can never really know who Selena would have become if

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.959
<v Speaker 1>she were still with us, Like would she be a mom,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Like would she be mentoring like other female artists. And so,

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>instead of lamenting or arguing over what she could have

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>given us, the best thing that we can do is

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>just remember what she did give us.

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>After Selena's death, Amoor Probrido went platinum multiple times over,

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 2>as did her other albums over successive years.

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Then came the release of Dreaming of You the summer

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>after We Said Goodbye. In the wake of the Amor

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Probido tour and amid all the turmoil surrounding her boutiques,

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Selena had been recording tracks for her long awaited English crossover.

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 2>The label had tapped Grammy winning songwriters for Selena to

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>collaborate with. Dreaming of You includes that small handful of collaborations,

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 2>including the title track and I Could Fall in Love.

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Dreaming of You debuted at the top of the Billboard

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>two hundred, netting the second largest release for an album

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>that year besides Michael Jackson. It was also the second

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>largest first week sales for a female musician, behind Janet Jackson.

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Like literally going toe to toe with the Jacksons, this

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>was a crossover she dreamed about, and she never got

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to see it.

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>By December, Dreaming of You had gone double platinum at

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>two million copies. The album introduced millions to Selena and

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>continues to do so while giving both newcomers and devoted

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>fans a tantalizing taste of what could have been. Okay,

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>We kicked off talking about Selena by listing all the

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 1>different ways people have connected to her music.

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>The og fans, the nineties kids who learned her story

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>from the movie, and the little zoomers who love to

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>cosplay Selena.

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Selena's legacy was cut short. There's like no if ands

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>or buts about it. But among the millions of listeners

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>who fell in love with her is a treasure trove

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>of artists caring her legacy forward.

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>So what better way to celebrate Selena than by celebrating

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>those artists keeping her alive in their own music Exactly.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Someone that I think always gets a lot of accolades

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>for this but does it in her own very unique

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>way is Destiny Neveda. Now, if you guys have not

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>heard of her, she is a Latin Grammy nominee. She's

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a two time the Hanno Music Award singer. And I

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>think her voice is very like traditional te Hanne like,

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>it's very Selena. The sound is spot on, like it's

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you expect it to be.

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, I agree with you. I feel like it is.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know how Selena has a snarling to it,

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>she kind of doesn't do that so much. I think

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit more commercial hers Destiny. It's definitely

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 2>a sound that is a little bit easier to hear

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's not like tumble and rumble. Do you know

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I do I totally get that. I mean, I think,

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, for Destiny, I would say I mean, she's

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>got like super strong ties aside from just the sound. Like, yes,

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Tusine's mom was friends with Selena and like they used

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to play music with her. So like she's a baby

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and obviously she's grown up with music in her family,

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>but they actually have like actual connections to that family,

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>both from Texas Latinas, you know what I mean. I

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>feel like they both really are so similar in the

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>way that they use music to connect to their fans.

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's this new there's a singer out here.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Her name is Snow the Product. And the reason I

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 2>wanted to look her up and all this stuff is

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>because she has Selena tattoos and mentioned Selena eating pizza

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>in one of her songs called bet that I Will.

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to compare her to Cardi B. Because

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she is Mexican and she kind of has

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a Chola voice in a way

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>that you know how Cardi B has kind of like

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>an East Coast Yes, so her rap is really cool.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>It's you got to You've really got to listen to.

0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Her name is Snow the Product.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm adding her to my list. Another one that I

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.719
<v Speaker 1>think people always call out to me is Estevie, who

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>was also like a new person for me because she's

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>very like gen Z. But if you like Cumbia, like

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>she is the Cumbia queen.

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>She is. But I feel like she kind of sings

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>it in a very kind of softer way, you know,

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>very like modern. I feel like it's like a little

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>like her voice is a little dreamier instead of being

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>so commercial.

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I just think she's having such a moment because I

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>think you're obviously with you know, fesl Pluma, You're seeing

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>like this massive explosion and almost like renaissance for very

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>traditional regional Mexican music. So a lot of these artists

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>are kind of pushing these regional styles to the forefront,

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 1>whereas Selena did that. She already did that in the nineties, right,

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>but now we're seeing it come back. So it is

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>having very much a renaissance. Because I will say that

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>for my friends that are not Latino, they don't have

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the same experience of Selena music that I do because

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>they weren't listening to the Spanish like they weren't listening

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to Amorrio at their house. They were listening to like

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Dreaming of You and I could fall in love which

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>is a beautiful way to step into Selena's voice and

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 1>her sound. But these artists like Stevie and Destiny and

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the one you mentioned snow the product. They are allowing

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>this regional Mexican music to touch all ears, not just

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Latino ears, and so that in itself is an incredible

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>expansion of our music and our culture, which I am

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>so here for. I also think what's amazing is that

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the women leading the way here is also

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Carol g I mean like she just won like all

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>of the Grammys, not Latin Grammys, people real Grammy, so

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>they got their shit together. Thank you Grammys. Finally, but

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>she covered Gomonla floor at the Astrodaut. And then you

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>have one of my favorite country artists, Casey Musgraves.

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I knew you were going to bring Yes.

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.959
<v Speaker 1>I love Casey Muskrats her new album is you Guys Anyway?

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Casey saying it during like Christmas karaoke. So again, Selena

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>has touched so many of these like younger female artists

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 1>in a way that we can't even began to sum

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>up in one short episode, right, and we could go

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>on and on and on and on and do like

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<v Speaker 1>multiple episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Two hours right, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a five hour Becoming an Icon. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>the best way that you and I can wrap up

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>this show, this episode of our the Hannu Icon, is

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to do a little gomlay.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this I kind of don't know the other part

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<v Speaker 2>to that, I'm gonna get.

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<v Speaker 1>Sued anyway, all right, guys, Well, next time on Becoming

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