1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Joshua P. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Warre. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: Ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird Strange 12 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: with Joshua Warren. 13 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: I am Joshua PE Warren, and each week on this show, 14 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises, 15 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: and weird experiments you can do at home, and a 16 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: lot more on this edition of the show. Part two 17 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: of a Wild History of Ghostly and Spectral Animals. On 18 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: the last show, I started reading some portions from this 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: book I published in two thousand and six called Pet 20 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: Ghosts Animal Encounters from the Beyond the Grave, and I 21 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: started telling you about the history of what I call phantomals. 22 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: These are animals that appear to be ghosts or ghostly 23 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: and I had a feeling as I began telling you 24 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: about this vast history that I might run out of 25 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: time because it's a huge story. Well sure enough I did, 26 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: and so now I'm going to pick up where I 27 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: left off last time, and of course I'll add some 28 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: commentary in there, and maybe even i'll tell you about 29 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: another personal experience that I had with a phantomal But 30 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: before I went through ancient times, and i'd made it 31 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: up to the Middle Ages and the Victorian period, so 32 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: let's start back there. Of course, the most chilling of 33 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: black dogs, and perhaps the most well known, are the 34 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: hell hounds or devil dogs. These massive black canines with 35 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: searing eyes of fire have been considered members of Satan's 36 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: hunting pack. They are always associated with negative events. In 37 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: many cases, it's not even important to actually view the beasts. 38 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: Simply hearing their blood curdling howls break in midnight's stillness 39 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: is enough to appreciate their impact. According to legend, such 40 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: beasts not only guard the Devil's most sacred secrets, but 41 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: aggress toward any party Lucifer targets for spiritual attack. In 42 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: some cases, the packs are even headless, and the most 43 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: outstanding have frequently been sighted near Cornwall, England, though the 44 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: earliest report of a black dog probably came from France 45 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: in eighty eight fifty six, a creature that briefly appeared 46 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: during an evening church service, eyes glowing when the room's 47 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: torches suddenly extinguished. The most outstanding early experiences were in 48 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: England August fifteen, seventy seven. Strangely enough, these encounters also 49 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: occurred during church services. The creature in France harmlessly appeared 50 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: and disappeared, and we have no clear understanding of its implications, 51 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: but the animal that interrupted a stormy Sunday morning service 52 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: in Bungay, England was certainly a hell hound. Without explanation, 53 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: the beast, physically described as a typical giant raven dog 54 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: with blazing eyes, appeared in an aisle of Saint Mary's 55 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: Church and violently sprung on a member of the congregation. 56 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: By the time the hysterical patrons realized what was happening, 57 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: at least three members of the church were dead, some 58 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: with throats and limbs torn away, some crushed by fallen 59 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: masonry due to the leaping beast's weight, and others scorched 60 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: and shriveled by the phantom's energy. The region's storm churned 61 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: with according to a pamphlet of the day, quote darkness, rain, hell, 62 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: thund under and lightning as was never seen the like. 63 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: Shortly thereafter, a black dog, perhaps the same one, interrupted 64 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: another church service at Blitheburg Church in Suffolk, only around 65 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: ten miles away. Mauling and murder continued there, and once 66 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: its bloodthirsty work was done, the powerful hound galloped out 67 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: a door, leaving deep black burn marks on the surrounding wood. 68 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: An old verse records the Bungay event all down the 69 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: church in midst of fire, the hellish monster flew, and 70 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: passing onward to the choir he many people slew. These 71 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: kinds of stories are particularly interesting. The incident at Bungay 72 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: made such a realistic impact that the hell hound was 73 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: incorporated into the town's coat of arms, and to this 74 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: day the supposed marks the burn marks, can be seen 75 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: at Blithebirg. The dog's purported ability to savagely kill and 76 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: having a weight heavy enough to destroy parts of the 77 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Bungay building undeniably implies its solid existence and our physical realm. However, 78 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: the fact that severely burned humans and the wooden doorway, 79 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: plus the sheer scope and magnitude of its chaotic destruction 80 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: and mysterious origin, are not consistent with any known normal animal. 81 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: This curious combination of dare we say, natural and supernatural 82 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: qualities makes it extremely difficult to understand such a being, 83 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not such beasts spend most of 84 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the time in some other realm non physical to us. 85 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: When they do assume a presence in our realm, they 86 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: are absolutely tangible and even augmented by physical powers. Misunderstood 87 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: by presence scientific views, they are certainly phantomals, and yet 88 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: phantimals are not exclusively non physical. On the contrary, they 89 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: seem to shift between the frequencies of our physical dimension 90 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: and others, fully interactive and participating in whatever realm they 91 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: occupy at any given time. Now, despite the documentation of 92 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: ghost dogs in Europe, such creatures have been seen around 93 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: the world. South Africans have long told of the vulherhand, 94 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: which is considered an omen of doom and is generally 95 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: described as a shaggy beast, usually seen from a distance, 96 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: only fully recognizable if the unfortunate observer gets within feet 97 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: of the apparition as opposed to classic black eyes that 98 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: may only have excuse me, opposed to the classic black 99 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: dogs that may only have glowing eyes. The Vulharan's entire 100 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: body is surrounded by devilish crimson light. Such an appearance 101 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: is more typical of traditional apparitions materializing in these luminous, 102 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: almost electrically enhanced forms. Though it is never surprising that 103 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: dogs and cats should be recognized in spectral literature, given 104 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: their long histories as pets, modern humans may be surprised 105 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: by how horses are prominently mentioned in that context as well. 106 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: After all, the presence of a horse is a novelty 107 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: for most in our era of automobiles and airplanes, but 108 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: in days past, even a person with no desire or 109 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: need for a dog or cat often relied on a 110 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: relationship with horses for transportation. It's therefore not surprising that 111 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: horse apparitions may be the most widely documented of all. 112 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: Of course, we must wonder whether this is due to 113 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: an increased presence of equine spirits or the simple fact 114 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: that such large creatures are easier to observe. This is 115 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: a question that frequently crops up in the discussion of 116 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: animal phantoms. Given the fleeting and the fleeing nature of 117 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: so many creatures, how can we be sure whether or 118 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: not an animal briefly observed is actually a normal physical 119 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: specimen or a ghost. Well, quite simply, we cannot. Horse 120 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: apparitions are frequently seen with ghostly human counterparts. The best 121 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: examples may be the headless horsemen. Tales of galloping pitch 122 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: black steeds mounted by furious, decapitated writers have lingered for 123 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: hundreds of years, especially found in some of the earliest 124 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: German and Scandinavian legends, as documented in the seventeen hundreds 125 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: by a folklorus named Carl Mussaus. Such specters are usually 126 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the product of wars. A revered officer set on battle 127 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: who suddenly loses his head exists in a state of 128 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: delirious confusion. Energy of the tortured man, frustrated by his 129 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: inability to complete the fight, especially with adrenaline pumping, may 130 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: burn a hole between this dimension and the next. Headless 131 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: horsemen are unable to tell the difference between friend and foe, 132 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: and so attack anyone unfortunate enough to cross their paths. 133 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: The strangest part is the very fact that they ride horses. 134 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: If a soldier is beheaded but the animal survives, why 135 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: should the creature be doomed to appear as a misty 136 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: slave of his master? If the horse is killed at 137 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: the same time that it makes sense. Otherwise we must 138 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: wonder if to be headed chooses from some stable of 139 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: phantasmal equines in the nether world, or if the soldier's 140 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: horse instantly transforms from a physical to non physical beast 141 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: by means of a process misunderstood by science. On the 142 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: other hand, in some cases, they might simply be imprints, 143 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: therefore negating the necessity for the horse death. Regardless of 144 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: the origin, these creatures carrying tormented human souls are certainly 145 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: impressive phantoms, and when we come back from this break, 146 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: I'll give you some rather chilling stories about these kinds 147 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: of phantoms, including one I bet you've never heard of 148 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: that comes from there where I grew up in western 149 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: North Carolina. You know what, if you are a person 150 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: who bought one of my parasimatic sigils, I've got some 151 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: good news for you. 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I am 176 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua pe Warren, beaming 177 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: into your wormhole brain from my studio in Send City, 178 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every 179 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: night at silver. I get toto zoume And if you 180 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: would like to go right now and get yourself a 181 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: free online digital good luck charm from me that you 182 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: can start using immediately, go to Joshua Pwarren dot com 183 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: sign up for my free e newsletter. You'll see the 184 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: letters right there. They're kind of slimmergreen on the homepage. 185 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: Click here for Joshua's free newsletter. Click it, put your 186 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: email address in there. Boom, You will get an automated 187 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: email from me with what could be some life changing 188 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: surprises for you. Let's get back to these. Tales of 189 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: headless horsemen and the like. Headless horsemen of the United 190 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: States were popularized by Washington Irving's eighteen nineteen fictional short 191 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: story The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, and in the eighteen 192 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: sixty nine publication of a book called The Headless Horseman 193 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: by Captain Mayne Reid. Unlike irvings tell Captain Reid's book 194 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: is based on true accounts from Texas personally investigated by 195 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: the author, but among Native Americans, wraiths astride horses were 196 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: not an uncommon sight, even if the writers were not beheaded. 197 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: Perhaps the most dramatic example comes from Chimney Rock, North Carolina. 198 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Chimney Rock is lush with Cherokee Indian legends. The most 199 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: outstanding is a terrible battle that sometimes rages in the sky. 200 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: At sunset, the horizon turns to whispy, bluish fog, and 201 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: from the seething clouds emerged two armies with hundreds of horses, 202 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: engaging head on in a desperate clash. This epic struggle 203 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: was observed by Whites as early as eighteen eleven. Being 204 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: tiny figures on the ground, Pioneers would gawk up at 205 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: the churning, purplish scene playing out in the heavens on 206 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: a vast awesome scale, and though there is no historical 207 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: basis for this original event, those who witness the rare 208 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: display are most impressed by the snorts and cries of 209 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: the distressed horses encompassed by rampant death and murder. Another 210 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: well known ghost horse and non headless writer duo is 211 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Herne the Hunter. In England's Windsor Park, apparently around the 212 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: year fourteen hundred, a great forest keeper for King Richard 213 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: the Sis second was a rugged man named Herne. He 214 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: spent most of his time alone in the woods, concealed, 215 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: looking out for poachers and trespassers, with whom he dealt harshly. 216 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: With time, due to gradual loss of his youth and 217 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: outdoor skill, or fear of being disgraced by some perverse offense, 218 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: he hanged himself from an oak tree. Since then, the 219 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: Mighty Hunter's charging apparition highest ride of black steed, has 220 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: terrified hundreds of trespassers. The protective Herne is said to 221 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: wear a stag's skull on his head, its long twisting horns, 222 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: making the whole display beastly and surreal. In eighteen forty three, 223 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: author W. Harrison Ainsworth described the site in his novel 224 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: called Windsor Castle quote a wild spect object possessing a 225 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: slight resemblance to a human being clad in the skin 226 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: of a deer, in wearing on its head a sort 227 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: of helmet formed from the skull of a stag, from 228 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: which branched a large pair of antlers. It was surrounded 229 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: by a blue phosphoric light end quote. But this chilling 230 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: apparition was even recorded much earlier fifteen ninety nine by 231 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: none other than William Shakespeare in The Merry Wives of 232 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: Windsor quote. There as an old tail goes that Herne 233 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: the Hunter, sometimes a keeper here at Windsor Forest, doth 234 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: all the winter time, at still midnight walk round about 235 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: an oak with great ragged horns, And there he blasts 236 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: the tree and takes the cattle, and makes yield blood, 237 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: and shakes a chain in a most hideous and red 238 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: full manner. You have heard of such a spirit, And 239 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: well you know the superstitious, idle headed eld received and 240 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: did delivered to our age this tale of her and 241 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: the hunter for a truth. Well, I don't read Shakespeare 242 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: very often on this podcast, and I think you can 243 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: see why. It's easy to imagine horses on land being 244 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: utilized by humans, whether in this life or the next. 245 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: But amazingly, not all horselike shades or fantibles are restricted 246 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: to the dry earth. This is best exemplified by the 247 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Scottish kelpie. These creatures are often called water devils and 248 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: are basically deceptive aquatic spirits that manifest as young, healthy 249 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: horses grazing about waterways. When someone inevitably tries to climb 250 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: on its back, the creature bolts for water, splashes like thunderclaps, 251 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: and intentionally drowns the human. At that point, the horse 252 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: may transform into a more evil humanoid form, having successfully 253 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: lured the person to doom. No one knows why kelpies 254 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: hate humans, though they have been seen for hundreds of years, 255 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: even described by author Stuart Grant an eighteen twenty three's 256 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: book called Popular Superstitions of the Highlanders of Scotland. Some 257 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: Scots believe that if a man is strong enough to 258 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: strap a bridle on a kelpie, the creature will submit 259 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: and be a valuable resource the rest of its life. However, 260 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: if the bridle is ever removed or somehow slips away, 261 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: the escaping kelpie will place a horrible curse on the 262 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: man who restrained it. Though cats, dogs, and horses have 263 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: been popular phantomals in history, it is of course impossible 264 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: to completely address the whole wide variety of animals documented. 265 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: Virtually every kind of creature has made a spectral appearance 266 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: in some culture. When it comes to variety of species, 267 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: I must at least mention the kirk grim. For hundreds 268 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: of years, especially in Europe and the Americas, it has 269 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: been customary to kill and bury an animal, or simply 270 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: bury one alive, at the site of a newly constructed 271 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: church or graveyard. The spirit of the sacrificed creature is 272 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: intended to guard the property against vandals and others with 273 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: disrespectful intentions. In some cases, even humans were murdered for 274 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: the task, and in that case the resultant wraith was 275 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: called an anku. An important to state may require multiple 276 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: animals to be sacrificed, and some of the most prominent 277 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: were lambs, pigs, cows, goats, and chickens. In eighteen ninety three, 278 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: author T. Thistleton Dyer wrote about these fanoms in his 279 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: book called ghost World, and he specifically common on lambs 280 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: and churches, saying they often resided in the building's tower. 281 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: If the lamb's vision is seen leaping about the grounds 282 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: when service is not in session, it is an omen 283 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: that a parishioner's child will soon die. Perhaps the most 284 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: difficult phantomals to put in perspective are those with wings, 285 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: which as familiars have often been owl's. Vampires have their bats, 286 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: and ancient Greeks and Egyptians revered the phoenix, a bird, 287 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: probably an eagle or a peacock, that would die every 288 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: few years in an inferno and then rise alive from 289 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: the ashes. It's virtually impossible to draw conclusions about winged 290 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: organisms because they are so fleeting and transient. The remote 291 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: exception is birds that appear by their own will at 292 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: or near the time of someone's death, such as crows, ravens, swans, owls, 293 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: or robins. In particular, if the same animal perpetually visits 294 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: the same family. It's generally easy to see such winged 295 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: creatures and draw subjective conclusions, but it is difficult to 296 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: study them from some stable, controlled perspective. Such is definitely 297 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: the case with insects. I mean, how would you know 298 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: of an insect at which you've been swatting is a ghost? 299 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: In fact, annoying insects do frequently vanish all of a sudden. 300 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: Might these be specters? There is really no reliable research 301 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: into this subject. Nonetheless, take a look at the European spunkies. 302 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: Spunkies are ghosts that supposedly materialize as small white moths. 303 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: Best known in Scotland. They are the spirits of unbaptized 304 00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: children who met with untimely deaths. These lost entities aimlessly 305 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: until judgment day, sometimes filling the innocent role of helping 306 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: newly deceased human spirits transition, and sometimes leading ships off 307 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: course to disaster. Ves sol lights shining on a cloud 308 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: of spunkies can reflect and appear like a beacon light. 309 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: Such a confusing sight makes some ships steer into craggy, 310 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: treacherous rocks. But whether or not this is an invertent 311 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: or the spunkies inten to harbinger such doom is unknown. Clearly, 312 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: the idea of exploring subtle insect ghosts presses into the 313 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: extreme fringe of paranormal research. When we come back from 314 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: this break, I have just a few more sentences for 315 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: you that I'm going to read, and then I'm going 316 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: to tell you about a personal encounter that I had 317 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: twelve years ago with what I believe was a phantom. 318 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: And there's I You know, I say this a lot 319 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: when I tell a story that if I just gave 320 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: you the experience as it happened, as I witnessed it. 321 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: That would be wild enough, but turns out there's actually 322 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: a twist to this as well. And then and then later, 323 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: I've got a wild email that I want to read 324 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: to you as well. It's just a wild, wild show, 325 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: but somebody's going to bring you this type of material. 326 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 327 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network, 328 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: and I will be back after these important messages. 329 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. There's more Joshua pe Warren and Strange 330 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: Things coming right up. 331 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: The Coast to Coast AM mobile app is here and 332 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 4: waiting for you right now. 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Heard on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 343 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: or wherever you find your favorite shows. 344 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 345 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: to Coast a paranormal podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, 346 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. 347 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: All right, here's just a few more sentences I'll read 348 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: to you sort of summarize this section of my book. 349 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: When addressing these phantomals from the past, we are greatly 350 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: limited by mankind's infantile understanding of ghostly activity, not to 351 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: mention difficulty in clarifying exactly what was observed. Even now 352 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: with our superior technology, the nature of phantoms is deeply mysterious. Nonetheless, 353 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: phantomals are experienced now as much as ever. Okay, that's 354 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: all I wanted to read to you from this book 355 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: that I published in two thousand and six. If you're 356 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: interested in reading the whole book, I think you'll love it. 357 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: It's got all kinds of interesting pictures of animal ghosts 358 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. Just go to Amazon and 359 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: search for pet ghosts and my name Joshua pe Warren, 360 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: and you should find the book amazon dot com search 361 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: for a Pet Ghost and Joshua pe Warren. It's a 362 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: nice about two hundred and fifty page book. And you know, 363 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I want to tell you here that this is not 364 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: in the book, but this is a story that certainly 365 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: fits the topic. A few years ago, I was asked 366 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: to be an expert on a TV show called Demon 367 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: in the White House, and this was on the Discovery Channel, 368 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: and I am considered by some an authority on supernatural 369 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: phenomena at the White House. In fact, if you've been 370 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: to my YouTube channel, you may have seen a video 371 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: report that I did some years ago about what I 372 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: believe maybe the ghost of Abraham Lincoln caught on film 373 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: back around nineteen fifty. 374 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: Uh. 375 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: But if you want to know more about all that 376 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: sort of thing, I actually did a podcast. Let's see. 377 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: It was episode forty eight of this show called Strange Things, 378 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: Episode forty eight. The show was titled white House Ghosts 379 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: that Will Surprise You. And if you go back and 380 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: listen to that, you can hear me tell all kinds 381 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: of crazy stories about the White House. But one of 382 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: the stories that I tell in there is about the 383 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: demon cat of the White House. And this is a 384 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: tale that goes all the way back to the eighteen hundreds. 385 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: A p in the basement of the White House. There 386 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: is this black cat with kind of fiery eyes that 387 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: appears most often around this framework that was used to 388 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: hold the coffin or the casket of Abraham Lincoln when 389 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: he was on display, you know, his corpse was on 390 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: display there. And this cat, it just he's so creepy 391 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: because there are people like guards who have claimed that 392 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: when they've seen this cat that sometimes the cat just 393 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: immediately enlarges it to the size of a panther and 394 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: tries to attack them. It's the scariest thing you've ever seen. 395 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: And this cat only appears just before tragic things have 396 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: happened throughout history. So it appeared right before Lincoln was assassinated, 397 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: It appeared before the stock market crashed, It appeared before 398 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima, uh and Nagasaki, it 399 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: appeared before JFK was assassinated. That kind of thing an 400 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: ominous harbinger and a guardian of something there. And in fact, 401 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: this is especially interesting if you go to the official 402 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: website of the White House Historical association, which is white 403 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 1: Househistory dot Org. They actually have a whole article I'm 404 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: looking at it right now called Demoncat the telle of 405 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: a wanderlust feline ghost. I'll read you this just the 406 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: beginning of this. It's by Colleen Shogen. The Demoncat apparition 407 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: is one of the best known ghost stories in Washington, 408 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: d C. It refers to an oversized, menacing cat that 409 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: appears sporadically in prominent federal government buildings. According to the legend, 410 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: the Demoncat conspires to frighten unsuspecting people. Other times, the 411 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: Demoncat's appearance has been considered a prophecy of impending disaster 412 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: or tragedy, and the Demon Cat is also sometimes known 413 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: simply as DC. According to an eighteen ninety eight article 414 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 1: in The Washington Post, the Demon Cat appears as a 415 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: regular sized house cat initially, but then can quickly expand 416 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: to quote the size of an elephant before the eyes 417 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: of a terrified observer end quote. The first recorded appearance 418 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: of the Demon Cat was in the United States Capitol 419 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty two. During the Civil War, the US 420 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: Capitol's basement was used as a bakery to feed soldiers, 421 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: and the Demon Cat appeared there several times, a guard 422 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: reportedly fired a gun at the cat and it disappeared. 423 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: Since its initial manifestation, the demon cat most frequently shows 424 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: up in the basement of the Capitol Building. The cat 425 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: is sometimes described as a tabby, although others who have 426 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: claimed to have seen it believe it as black. But 427 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: of course it appears a lot in the White House 428 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: as well. So go to White househistory dot org, or 429 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: you can just search for the Demon Cat of DC 430 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: if you're interested in that. But I felt I needed 431 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: to mention that while we're on this subject. But you know, 432 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: here's what I want to say about about this book 433 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: and this history that I've given you. You know, in 434 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: this book, for example, I mean, I tell the story 435 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: of this woman who owned a house, she had a 436 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: farm in South Carolina with all kinds of fantomal activity, 437 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: including pictures of what may very well be the ghost 438 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: of dinosaurs. You get to see these in the book. 439 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: So when you talk about phantomals, I mean, and this 440 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: is a place that I went to and I personally investigated. 441 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: We're not talking about stories that go back only hundreds 442 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: or thousands of years ago. Phantomal reports are still happening. 443 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: And I believe personally that even creatures like Mothman and 444 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: Bigfoot may be considered fantimals because both of them have 445 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: animal like qualities. Mothmen is a given. Yes, they say, 446 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like a man, hence the word 447 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: man being that it's upright and all that. But people 448 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: either say it looks like an awl or a moth, 449 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: so there is that animal element. And the same thing 450 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: with Bigfoot. Bigfoot may kind of look like a human, 451 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: but he also looks kind of like an ape or 452 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: some kind of big, you know, hairy creature along those lines. 453 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: So that's why I think that even those things can 454 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: be accurately studied as phantomals. But let me just tell 455 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: you about this personal experience that I had. I have 456 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: been working in radio and now podcasting for a long 457 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: long time, and back in the day for many years, 458 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: I created and hosted this live radio show in Asheville, 459 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: North Carolina, my hometown, and it was called Speaking of Strange. Yes, 460 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: this word strange has been with me a long time, 461 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: and speaking of strange. It was broadcast out of News 462 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Radio five seventy and see the Talk of the Mountains 463 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: and the show had come on Saturday night. Since it 464 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: was live, it would come at usually it would come 465 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: on to like maybe nine o'clock and it would end 466 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: about midnight. I think that we had to vary a 467 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: little bit from time to time, but that's usually what 468 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: it was like. It come on like nine o'clock. I think. 469 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: So frequently when the show was over late on a 470 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: Saturday night, we would have, you know, an hour or 471 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: two to go out afterward with some of the staff 472 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: there with the show and go to a bar and 473 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: have a drink, you know, have a nice Saturday night drink. 474 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: Because the bar is in Asheville close at two am. 475 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: So that was pretty common for me to go out 476 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: after the show. And sometimes, you know, I'd just go 477 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: with one person. Sometimes I'd have a whole group of people. 478 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: It just depends. Well, I believe this incident I'm about 479 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: to tell you about happened on September the first of 480 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. And I'll tell you in a minute. How 481 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: why I think I know the date? Twelve years ago? Okay, 482 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: So I had finished the show, and that particular night, 483 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: the only person who wanted to join me for a 484 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: drink at a local bar was investigator Shelley Wright, who 485 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: was a sponsor of the show, and she frequently set 486 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: in and provided all kinds of great talent and commentary, 487 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: and so she was an on air personality. And so 488 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: she said that she would follow me to this bar 489 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: from the radio station. I'll just tell you the name 490 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: of the bar. I guess it's still called this. It's 491 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,479 Speaker 1: called the Bywater. And it was down by the river, 492 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, in kind of the River Arts district there 493 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: around the French Broad River. And so we went on 494 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: back roads and so I left the station. Here it is, 495 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, probably like twelve fifteen, you know, a little 496 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: after midnight, and it was a desolate Saturday. I don't 497 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: know why, you know, it was cold, but there was. 498 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember passing any other cars. And so as 499 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm driving ahead of her, and my car is going 500 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: parallel to the river, I was coming up on this 501 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: bridge that goes over the French Broad. And right as 502 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: I almost got to the bridge, I was shocked. I 503 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: slammed on my brakes because suddenly, standing in the middle 504 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: of the road was this creature the likes of which 505 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: I had never seen before. I can only describe it 506 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: as looking like Okay, you know what a Boston Terrier 507 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: dog looks like. If not look it up. It looked 508 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: like a big black Boston Terrier type dog, except the 509 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: side of a black bear. It had this face that 510 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: looked like a bat with these little sharp ears, and 511 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: it had these eyes that glowed and best I remember, 512 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: they were really really bright white and then they glinted red. 513 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: It was the strangest thing, and I mean, I was 514 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: just shocked. It looked demonic. I mean, I'm talking like 515 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: some of the size of a black bear. And now 516 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: minds you. They say like a Boston Terrier, and I'm 517 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: using that just as a reference. You know, an average 518 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: Boston Terrier might be nine inches of foot tall on 519 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: all fours. Black bears could be you know, three feet 520 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: or more on all fours. This is something huge. This 521 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: is not a normal dog, huge muscular, bulky thing. I 522 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: jumped out of my car. When we come back, I'm 523 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: gonna tell you what happened, and then I'm gonna see 524 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: if we have time to read you an email. I'm 525 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: joshu wa Pee Warren. 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Warren, 544 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: and being born and raised in the Blue Riche Mountains 545 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: of western North Carolina, I have been around black bears 546 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: my whole life. Yes, I've seen lots of black bears. 547 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: I even spent years camping on a black bear reserve 548 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: around Brown Mountain, and on two occasions I've even unexpectedly 549 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: walked up on black bears in the wild just you know, 550 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: it was just one time it was just myself. Another 551 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: time it was me and another guy on a trail 552 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: and you know, in the thick wilderness, and one of 553 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: those things that was talking about terrifying, where you're standing 554 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: there and you're looking at the bear, the bears looking 555 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: at you, and you don't know what's going to happen. Fortunately, 556 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: in both cases of the bear ran away. But I've 557 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: seen bears. What I saw that night standing there in 558 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: the middle of that road was not a black bear. 559 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: It was at least as big as one. But once again, 560 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: it looked like this hulking black creature on all fours. 561 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing any kind of a tail or 562 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: anything like that, with this big, giant, ugly, scary bat 563 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: like face that I can roughly relate to something like 564 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: a Boston Terrier in terms of shape, glowing. And I 565 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: know that the average person would not jump out of 566 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: the car, but I'm not the average person, and I 567 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: just knew I had to try to get a picture 568 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: of it. So I'm scrambling for my phone. I opened 569 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: my door. In the meantime, I've stopped in the middle 570 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: of the road. Shelley's behind me. She stopped wondering what 571 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: the heck is going on. So I jumped out of 572 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: the car and I'm motioning back to her for her 573 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: to get out of the car. And as soon as 574 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: I got out, this thing it tore off. And there 575 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: there was an embankment there with a bunch of vegetation, 576 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: and it just tore off into that vegetation down toward 577 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: the river. And again, this is right next to a 578 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: big bridge that takes you across over to the bywater 579 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: for those of you who know the area. So I 580 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: took out my cell phone. I was not able to 581 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: get an image of it, but I waited there for 582 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 1: a while and Shelley's like, what's going on? Is everything okay? 583 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, there's some kind of creature up 584 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: here on the road. So we waited there for a 585 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: while and it never re emerged. It was so freaky 586 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: it gave me goosebumps. So at that point we just 587 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: went onto the bar and she never got to see it. 588 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: But I was describing to her what I had seen 589 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: and how I would have given anything to have had 590 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: a dash cam back than those days. But again, this 591 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: is like twenty twelve. I guess they were around, but 592 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: I didn't have one. So as We're sitting there at 593 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: the bar and I'm talking over and over again about 594 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,400 Speaker 1: like how freaky this was and how weird this thing looked, 595 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: only then, and this is the twist ending, only then 596 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: did I realize that. Earlier in that night on the show, 597 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: my primary guest was my buddy Nick Redfern, who had 598 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: come on to talk about black dogs, devil dogs, demon dogs, 599 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: hell hounds, and similar creatures, and he had said that 600 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: they are often seen around bridges and therefore waterways. There's 601 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: some connection between these creatures and these bridges, and without 602 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 1: getting into to why that may be, you know, you're 603 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: talking about water is flowing, and there's a lot of 604 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: electromagnetic electrostatic energy that's flowing, and bridges are sort of 605 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, crisscrossing that in some way, and there's a 606 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: lot of strange energy patterns around waterways that we are 607 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: not familiar with. And when I I can't believe it 608 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: took me, you know, like thirty minutes for this to 609 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,959 Speaker 1: occur to me, like, holy crap, we were talking about 610 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: this on the show tonight and boom this happened. I 611 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: don't know if I just manifested it subconsciously, or you know, 612 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: just by talking about it I somehow attracted that experience, 613 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: or if that was just God placing some bit of 614 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: evidence in front of me to show me that this 615 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: topic is real or there's something to it. But I, 616 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: to me, I mean that was a I consider that 617 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: a phantomal experience, even though this creature looked absolutely physical 618 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: and tangible to me other than perhaps its bright, shiny 619 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: glowing eyes, which you know, it's always hard to judge 620 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: that because you know how animal eyes are at night 621 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: and headlights, But that experience that really stands out. So 622 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: I've had a number of these kinds of encounters that 623 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: I would consider phantomal or possible phantomal encounters throughout my life. 624 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: And I told you in both cases they were even 625 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: though I call them fantomals, they were physical to a 626 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,959 Speaker 1: certain extent. When I was fighting those snakes I told 627 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: you about in the last podcast, those were physical snakes. 628 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: I had my hands on them. That doesn't mean they 629 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: still can't be phantomals, and the same thing with this 630 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: thing that was crossing the road. So anyway, look, I 631 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: hope that you've learned something the course of the last 632 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: show part one and now this show part two about 633 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: my concept of the phantomal and about how many weird 634 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: variations of this exist all throughout history, going back to 635 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: ancient times. It's just a part of life, and you 636 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: may have witnessed them even when you didn't know that 637 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: you were witnessing them, And I find that fascinating. And 638 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: it's another example of just how incredible the wealthy. I 639 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: would call it the animal Kingdom is, but it's really 640 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: the kingdom of life and living creatures. But this is 641 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: one I don't think i'd thought about before. I want 642 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: to read you an email that just came into me 643 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 1: days ago from a woman named Emily, and she says, Hi, Joshua, 644 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm up too late with random questions. She says, my 645 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: husband and I are going to take our girls and 646 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: their ages ten eleven and almost four to Phoenix, Arizona, 647 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: to the Great Wolf Lodge Adventure, along with some other 648 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: cool explorations. And I was searching for things to do 649 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: in that area and came across some articles and links 650 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,919 Speaker 1: about UAPs and tours and whatnot that take you out 651 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: to a spot at night to observe all the activity 652 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: in the airspace, and she says, I had a random wondering, 653 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: are these craft ghosts of alien intelligence? I'm thinking of 654 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: orbs and balls of light. They often accompany hauntings, right, 655 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,399 Speaker 1: She says, I just watched the newest expedition ex investigation 656 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: of Mackinaw Island in Michigan, where we were originally from, 657 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: and they documented a speeding ball of light that disappeared offshore. 658 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: She says, if UAPs are ghosts of alien intelligence, objects 659 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: can deceased a I manifest as a ghost? That is 660 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,359 Speaker 1: a whole separate wondering. Now I'm going to repeat what 661 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: she just said here. Okay, she said can deceased a 662 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 1: I manifest as a ghost. She continues, it might explain 663 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: quite a bit of the defiance of physics that is 664 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: observed and sometimes intelligent slash interactive nature versus disconnected slash 665 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: automatic behavior observed. I am thinking AI because perhaps organic 666 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: aliens would be terrestrial and ghost of repetitive nature tend 667 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: to follow the same tracks as in life. From what 668 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,439 Speaker 1: I've read and listen to blah blah blah. She goes, 669 00:48:53,680 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: So aerial alien ghosts might then theoretically be AI, she said. 670 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: She goes on to say, I tried searching keywords on 671 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,760 Speaker 1: the topic and my question, but nothing came up. Ghosts 672 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,399 Speaker 1: and UFOs slash UAPs seem to always be in separate discussions. 673 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: Have you come across researcher had a similar discussion with 674 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: any folks? More questions that keep me up at night. 675 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: Hope all is well with you and yours, And that's 676 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,360 Speaker 1: from Emily. You know what, Emily, this is very interesting. 677 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: This kind of thing takes us into that basic question 678 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,720 Speaker 1: of what is life? You know, I was just talking 679 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: about the Kingdom of living beings and now you got 680 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: to throw away this curupball because now I'm thinking of 681 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: like you know, R two, D two and C three 682 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: po from Star Wars. They probably believed that they were 683 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: alive and had a soul of some kind. They probably 684 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 1: believe that, and how do we know that they don't 685 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: when they reached that point? At what point is do 686 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: we even humans create something that is intelligent enough that 687 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: it almost becomes an antenna and takes on a soul? 688 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that, but I think 689 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: that it's a good question to ask because you're right, Emily. 690 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: A lot of these times I see I see behavior 691 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: among these craft that seems part machine and part organic. 692 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: It blurs the line. It's like a little flying saucer 693 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: guys from Batteries not included from that movie. I think 694 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: that you're onto something here. It makes sense to us, 695 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: but we're still not quite there yet because it's too 696 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 1: advanced for us to understand at what point manufactured AI 697 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,839 Speaker 1: is going to actually start taking on the personality that 698 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: we associate with having a soul man. Thank you for 699 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: that message. That's good stuff. Think about that, everybody, and 700 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: now think about something positive. Take a deep breath if 701 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: you can't, close your eyes, and listen to the good 702 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 1: fortune to That's it for this edition of the show. 703 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter at Joshua P. Warren. 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