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Speaker 1: Welcome back to I Do Part two with your celebrity

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Speaker 1: mentor Kelly ben Simone. Just like you, guys, I'm out

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Speaker 1: there dating in my I Do Part two era. And

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Speaker 1: if you're single and dating like me, you know that

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to meet great eligible men when you

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Speaker 1: have a busy schedule, and dating apps can be super disappointing.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to explore our conversation around professional matchmakers.

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Speaker 1: The company has been around for over thirty five years

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Speaker 1: and they've been featured on Good Morning America, The Today Show,

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Speaker 1: Entertainment Tonight, and more. They are the real deal. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome Jennifer Will's President, chief Growth Officer with Kella Hurr International. Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited to talk to you. Kella hur International

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Speaker 1: came highly recommended by someone associated with this podcast who

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Speaker 1: had really successful dates. So tell our audience a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Kelliher International. How long have you been in

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Speaker 1: business and how did you get involved?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks for the nice lead in. So kelliher

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Speaker 2: has been around for almost forty years. We're one of

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Speaker 2: the oldest and largest players in the field. We specialize

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Speaker 2: in elite or executive matchmaking services, so people who are successful,

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Speaker 2: but who are ready to be intentional about how they're

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Speaker 2: approaching finding this next relationship, whether it's the first, the second,

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Speaker 2: the third, whatever it might be. But they've decided to

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Speaker 2: prioritize this and focus on it the way they would

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Speaker 2: any other important aspect of their life. I've been with

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Speaker 2: the firm since twenty sixteen. I kind of actually fell

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Speaker 2: into it a little bit. I'm an attorney and have

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Speaker 2: a finance background, and I had decided to leave my

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Speaker 2: previous position as in house counsel for a company in

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Speaker 2: New York and a friend of mine was working here

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Speaker 2: and invited me in to meet with the founders, which

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Speaker 2: I did for an entire day, and then they were

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Speaker 2: stuck with me. After that, I just fell in love

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Speaker 2: with the business. I fell in love with them. There

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Speaker 2: are really very few things that you can do in

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Speaker 2: this world where you're truly transforming people's lives and having

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Speaker 2: such a meaningful impact on not only their romantic life,

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Speaker 2: but their overall relationships and happiness in the world.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that because you guys

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Speaker 1: are twofold. But I wanted to address one thing. It's

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Speaker 1: the embarrassment and the shame some that we're seeing of matchmakers,

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Speaker 1: and if a matchmaker is I think the matchmaker does

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Speaker 1: more vetting and it makes you feel better that there

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Speaker 1: is a third party kind of you know, being a

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Speaker 1: part of this, especially with someone like you or you're

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Speaker 1: not only the third party matchmaking, but also you're counseling

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Speaker 1: your clients, which is great. But tell me about some

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Speaker 1: of the perks of using a professional matchmaker.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of perks to it. There's

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Speaker 2: the efficiency aspect. Most people that we work with, they

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Speaker 2: are very strong in their professional situation. They may have

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Speaker 2: great families already, but they don't have a lot of

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Speaker 2: time and it's really the one thing that nobody can recreate.

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Speaker 2: So providing a level of efficiency meaning that when we're

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Speaker 2: making these introductions, they're targeted. We've essentially gone on coffee

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Speaker 2: dates with the candidates, so to speak. We've met them,

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Speaker 2: we've interviewed them, we've background checked, They've had to go

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Speaker 2: through an extensive diligence period with us, so we know them.

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Speaker 2: So there's going to be a level of presumptive alignment

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Speaker 2: on fundamental values. That really is an open issue. If

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Speaker 2: they're essentially represents to you whatever it is that they

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Speaker 2: think that you want to hear, whereas we are really

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Speaker 2: digging into who people are, asking a lot of open

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Speaker 2: When you meet somebody in another format, they can just disappear, right.

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Speaker 2: It's much more difficult to do that with a matchmaker

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Speaker 2: because we're following along and they're accountable to us and

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Speaker 2: and you kind of alluded to this, there's the advocacy piece, right.

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Speaker 2: We are a trusted advisor in exactly the same way

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Speaker 2: We're just handling a different aspect of somebody's life. It's

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Speaker 2: no less important. But we are the advocate, so we

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Speaker 2: to together that might not happen without that, without that

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Speaker 1: I love advocacy. I really love that, And I also

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Speaker 1: love that you know the there are these ultra high

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Speaker 1: and the thought of dating is super daunting. So when

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Speaker 1: you are, you know, with your company with Klhart, what

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Speaker 1: How many dates? Like? What are we getting?

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Speaker 2: So one of the beautiful things about this is it's

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of other firms out there that

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Speaker 2: number of introductions to us that creates an immediate conflict

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Speaker 2: of interests. People are saying, do I take this one?

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Speaker 2: produce this person. There's no cap on matches with us. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: every time we introduce somebody, it's either a home run

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Speaker 2: way of collecting data that's incredibly valuable as we continue

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Speaker 1: That is amazing. I love how you're talking about this,

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Speaker 1: I mean like literally luring me in data advocacy, authenticity authority.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I am like literally right here with you.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the different parts of it, and

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Speaker 1: I really like the idea that you guys don't say

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Speaker 1: like if you have, like you know, ten dates, oh

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Speaker 1: be your plan? I really like that. That's brilliant. By

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Speaker 1: the way, So coaching. So we've talked about like the

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Speaker 1: dating part, but like, what about the coaching part? This,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure anybody who's ever been in a relationship

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Speaker 2: particularly when we're not first timers, we've been married or

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Speaker 2: significant relationships. We all have patterns, right, and we all

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Speaker 2: coaching is multifold. First of all, it's a way that

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Speaker 2: What's going to make you happy in this Do you

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Speaker 2: relationship that you're seeking, And then what has been a

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Speaker 2: people that you've selected for these relationships, why you were

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Speaker 2: then as you go through the process with us. Again,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing linear about this. So as you're establishing a

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Speaker 2: relationship with a new partner, they're going to be triggers.

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Speaker 2: There's something's going to come up that says, oh, that

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of triggers, should people be fully healed from

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Speaker 2: So I think fully healed is a really interesting term

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Speaker 2: we go. So while somebody needs to have you know,

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Speaker 2: go you know, it's not a direct line, but that's

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Speaker 2: let's do six months of just coaching before we start

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Speaker 1: So is there like a check in? Do you check

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Speaker 1: in like, you know, every couple of weeks after two dates? Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the kind of what's the check in process?

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Speaker 2: And is there one during the matching process? You mean yes,

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Speaker 2: so every client works directly with a team, and that

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Speaker 2: scope of the search and the intricacies of the search,

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Speaker 2: there can be anything from a standing bi weekly call

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Speaker 2: to a standing weekly call, and many times they're over

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Speaker 2: zoom because even though it's not the same as in person,

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Speaker 2: it is better than a phone call.

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Speaker 1: You can kind of accountability. Again, you guys are like.

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Speaker 2: Really, oh, people have to be linear.

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Speaker 1: In relationships and definitely be accountable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people have to be ready to be a partner

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Speaker 2: That's one of the most interesting things about matchmaking. It

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Speaker 2: is in no way a unilateral effort. We can't do

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Speaker 1: Wait, I love that you just said that you have

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Speaker 1: agency in this process. I love that. I mean we're

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Speaker 1: talking We're not talking about like swiping, We're talking about

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Speaker 1: real partnership. I mean, this is well. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you are unbelievably bright and very articulate, and I really

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Speaker 1: really love the way that you're talking about it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like very cool. So what about living in a big city, Like,

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Speaker 2: Like, Well, it depends on the person, right, So you

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Speaker 2: have it's really a question of addressable audience. And I

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Speaker 2: apologize sometimes I make I take all the romance out

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Speaker 1: No, No, not at all. I just think it's really

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and I think for ultra high

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Speaker 1: they're They're constantly strategizing, they're constantly making made decisions, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's very smart to approach relationships in the

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Speaker 1: same way. It's the same mindset, it's just a different thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just a different thing. And along those lines, when

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Speaker 2: you talk about where are these people located, there's addressable

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Speaker 2: audience questions and metrics questions. Right if you're in a

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Speaker 2: person that you're looking for, there's a small by definition,

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Speaker 2: it's just math. There is a smaller number of them

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Speaker 2: more of them in a large city. And single people

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Speaker 2: do tend single. Successful people do tend to be in

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Speaker 2: larger cities. But that's also part of what we do

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Speaker 2: before we ever engage with a client is understand what

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Speaker 2: level of travel or flexibility does their lifestyle allow.

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Speaker 1: For so, is this.

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Speaker 2: Somebody who lives in a small town and has no

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Speaker 2: intention of leaving or traveling to meet their person. Well,

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Speaker 2: that presents a level of challenge and that we're very

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Speaker 2: we feel we have visibility to success, we won't ask

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Speaker 2: them to make the investment financial, emotional or otherwise. Right,

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Speaker 1: And I also think that people seek kindness for weakness.

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Speaker 2: And that's finding somebody whose values and lifestyle and approaches

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Speaker 1: sets me off. Yeah. I mean I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: bringing a professional matchmaker in, you know, in forty five

432
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: and widowed divorce. I think that people are real. This

433
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: is really really beneficial. Like, what are your thoughts on

434
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: on that?

435
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: Obviously I agree because I guess this is what I do.

436
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: But also, if you look at the trajectory.

437
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Speaker 1: I concur you're a lawyer.

438
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: I should. But if you look at the trajectory of apps, right,

439
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: they came out ten, fifteen years ago, whatever it was,

440
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 2: they've essentially commoditized people and commoditized relationships. Right, there's no

441
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: there's no incentive for these companies to get people into relationships.

442
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: They lose, they lose the the revenue. Frankly, if they

443
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: get you into a relationship, then you're no longer on

444
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: the app.

445
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's also when people hear that ding it's you know,

446
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: it's a serotonin like every single it's like serotonin. Serotonin.

447
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: That's not serotonin for me, My phone dings on its own.

448
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't need any more dinging. What makes me feel

449
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: good is that when someone's like, I hope you have

450
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: the best day, or says something like I'm really proud

451
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: of you. You know you're going to be great, like

452
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: those kind of like words of affirmation. That's we're not

453
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: talking about love language, but just a kind of consistent

454
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: The consistency of you're going to be great today is

455
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: just something that's really nice to hear, Like I don't

456
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: need like you're hot, You're not like, I just need

457
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: someone to be like you got this. Yeah, it just

458
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: is like I need the calm, I don't need the serotonin,

459
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: like I already have the serotonin.

460
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's it's highly gamified, right, everybody is. It's swiping

461
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: for the sake of swiping without any intention at all. Right, Right,

462
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: And it's funny, So you said what you just said.

463
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: So many women who are successful and independent, they want

464
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: somebody to come in and say you've got this, and

465
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: sometimes to say I've got this. Don't worry about making

466
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: the reservation, don't worry about figuring this out. I've got this.

467
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: Right. Oh, like I've ever been handled my oh my god,

468
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm like literally, I'm like like a puppy, like I'm

469
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: ready ready for duty.

470
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: It's true. And dating as a successful man and dating

471
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: as a successful women, they both have their challenges, but

472
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: they're different. Right for women, Most women who are highly

473
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: successful have gotten that way because they've got it. I

474
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 2: got this, don't worry, I've got it. I can do that,

475
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: I can do everything. I've got it all. And so

476
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: when they finally are with somebody that allows them to

477
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: embrace the part of them that doesn't have to have

478
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: it twenty four to seven, it's like, wow, that's amazing.

479
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: Somebody else to say, you know, we're all making the

480
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: dinner reservations, we're all you know, planning the trip, this, that,

481
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: and for someone else to go now, I want you

482
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: to sit back and enjoy your fine. Oh this is different, right,

483
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: like wait, wait a minute, right. And for men, they're

484
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: so they're used to people wanting something from them. Okay,

485
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: what does this person want? Right? They're being nice to me,

486
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: they want something, right.

487
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: So we're seeing some trends in dating. Can you highlight

488
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: some of those that you think should just disappear forever.

489
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: The first one that should disappear is the text based relationship.

490
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: It's and we're very very or we try to be

491
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 2: very strict about there's still human nature and we can

492
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: wag our fingers all we want, and sometimes people just

493
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: don't listen, but we really don't want people engaging in

494
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: text communication for an extended period of time. Our expectation

495
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: when we connect people is that they actually connect by phone,

496
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: not this way, but actually by phone within a day

497
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: or two, and they plan a date and if they're

498
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: not in the same location, meet by Zoom will help

499
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: facilitate who's traveling, where dates people are available. We want

500
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: people to get in front of each other.

501
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: So I like to text because I am a writer,

502
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: so I'm always you know, I love to say I

503
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: love to text, and I also love you know. I

504
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: have two daughters who were being raised during that era,

505
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: and where I could, I didn't want to be on

506
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: the phone, so I did to spend a lot of

507
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: time texting, right, And unfortunately I haven't dated that much.

508
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: So my texting. If you saw the way I text Jennifer,

509
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: you'd be like, are you in the fourth grade, Kelley?

510
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: What is going on? Like this guy is not.

511
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Are you responding with K Yes?

512
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: I'll be like thanks, and they'll be like thanks to what.

513
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh sorry, And I do a lot

514
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: of emojis and.

515
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: Well, so here's the thing. When you don't photos.

516
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: And also I do I send photos because I'm like, oh,

517
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: look at that building and they're like why and I

518
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: was like, because I wanted you to see, like where

519
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: I am, what I'm doing during the day, just kind

520
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: of like back to like that you're one of your words, accountability.

521
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: I just want them to kind of see where I

522
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: am and instead of just being like, you know, thinking

523
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: of you, I could be anywhere. Do you know what

524
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean? Like here I am. I mean not a

525
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: selfie obviously unless I'm looking great, but I.

526
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Speaker 3: Mean if you clients, But when you don't know somebody

527
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: really well, the risks of texting are that you people

528
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: don't understand everybody's sense of humor out of the gate, right,

529
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: So you could say something to somebody.

530
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: And the inflection in your voice is going to tell

531
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: them what you mean, but just on the fly text

532
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: is they might feel like what does that mean?

533
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

534
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: Right? And that can that can actually sideline people as

535
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: they're developing the relationship. And you can't get to know

536
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: somebody in the same way through the written word or

537
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: even through a phone call. If you meet somebody, you're

538
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: taking them in with all of your senses. I mean,

539
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: I know I have and most women will tell you

540
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: they have met ment they smell great. Have you met

541
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: the guy who smells great?

542
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: I have met a hero who smells great, And.

543
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: You're like, what is that and you're just there's something

544
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: about them that you're drawn to because they're hitting all

545
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: of your senses right, or the handsome successful blah blah

546
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: blah doesn't smell good. That's a problem. Hard to get

547
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: around like that natural sort of doesn't like Okay, So

548
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: it's always good to just get in front of people.

549
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: So we really are encouraging people meet and you soap,

550
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: meet and you soap. Maybe a little dealer in here

551
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: and there. It's safe. They may be without a liminum

552
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: these days.

553
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: What what dating trend would you keep around?

554
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: Chivalry?

555
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

556
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I love.

557
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: We really do still believe in and that so irrespective

558
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: of whether the woman is our client or the man

559
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: is our client, we want the gentleman to plan the date.

560
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: We expect him to host the date.

561
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: Do you also tell your female clients, like, just because

562
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: you're a CEO of X, Y and Z doesn't mean

563
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: you have to be a CEO of the date.

564
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 2: A briefcase at the door. Yeah, and it's hard to

565
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: do it is I mean, you're you're a successful woman.

566
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's easy to drift into that sort of

567
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: high powered business. I know I've done it in the past.

568
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: Everybody does it.

569
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: I like to just let people unfold, which is actually

570
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: a bad thing. My producers always like ask these questions.

571
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't ask the question because if I say, like, oh,

572
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: how is your how was your last relationship, then it's

573
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: like I have to listen to her. I'm like, no, no,

574
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: now I am not listening to about an ex.

575
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: No.

576
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: But I'm also not gonna have some guys say to me, like,

577
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, what's your value add I'm like, so, now

578
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm your value add Like what.

579
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, those are not appropriate date conversations. I mean,

580
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: you should not talk about your former relationships in the

581
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: first couple of days, talk about.

582
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: Each other thousand percent. I'm always like, tell me about you,

583
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: tell me about things you like.

584
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the amazing thing about what we do is

585
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: you could probably say something to me and there's genuinely

586
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: no way that you could shock me. We have heard everything,

587
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: We've talked to all sorts of people. And if you're

588
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: going to be successful in this as a company and

589
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: as a professional, you just have to be curious, and

590
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: you have to lead every conversation without any sense of judgment,

591
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: and you just have to enjoy learning about people.

592
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: So I'm genuinely I mean, you can tell after spending

593
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes with me that I am a

594
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: very light person. What are the things that you think

595
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: that women need to lighten up about?

596
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: The checklist? Wow, there's a big checklist with a lot

597
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: of people. And men have it too, don't get me wrong,

598
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: but these really long checklists of every single attribute. They

599
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: have decided where this person should fall on the graph

600
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: of every single attribute. And what you lose in doing

601
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: that is playfulness, right, And life is supposed to be enjoyed.

602
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: It's plenty hard, plenty of the time. So try to

603
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: find pleasure and enjoyment and fund where you can. And

604
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: we always say you don't know what you don't know,

605
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: And I guarantee every woman and every man has met

606
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: somebody at a cocktail party, in the line at Starbucks

607
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: wherever it is that you're like, huh, that's kind of

608
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: interesting and they're completely out of the box for you.

609
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: You don't know why, right? So what about men? Where

610
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: do they need to lighten up?

611
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: On age? I think there's a perception that as women

612
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: get older, they are less fun, they are less beautiful,

613
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. But what we see is

614
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: over and over again, people are youthful and beautiful and

615
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: engaging in all these things well beyond thirty, right, I

616
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: mean they are, and at the end of the day

617
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: we see this. I mean, I'm not telling anybody anything new.

618
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: That sort of age disparity that men sometimes seek, particularly

619
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: as they're just starting to date again, that's typically more

620
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: of a face and the reason is that that deeper connectivity.

621
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean, just like cultural alignment, movies, music, things like

622
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: that that you connect on and can joke around about,

623
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: there's usually a gap there if there's too much of

624
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: an age gap, and they they may think, now, this

625
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: sounds like fun to date somebody who's twenty years younger

626
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: or thirty years younger or whatever it is. And then

627
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: ultimately they find that they can really and deeply connect

628
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: with somebody who's more of a contemporary.

629
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's interesting because if you had met

630
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: me ten years ago, I was still in the thick

631
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: of things still, you know, making sure my girls had

632
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: the best education, doing you know, being the financial provider

633
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: and also the nurture. So I was really really in

634
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: the thick of it, and so I still look the same.

635
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: I looked exactly the same, but my energy was completely different.

636
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I had a lightness to me, but not

637
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: like I do now.

638
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: Now.

639
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm just like I feel like i'm sixteen again. I'm

640
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: so proud of my kids. I love my life, I

641
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: love where I am. I'm just a different human. I

642
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: still look the same, And I've had a lot of

643
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: men say, oh my gosh, like, you're so young at heart.

644
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm like young at heart, Like, no, I'm just not

645
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: a grump. And by the way, why do I have

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Speaker 2: Well? I also think there's a confidence. There's a confidence

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Speaker 2: that comes I'm fifty five, so there's a confidence that

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Speaker 2: comes being so you so thank you. I'll take that

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Speaker 2: confidence that comes with maturing, taking care of yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and knowing that I'm still a beautiful woman. I'm smart,

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Speaker 2: I'm independent, I can do it all. The partner is

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Speaker 2: a nice to have. I don't need somebody. It's a

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Speaker 2: nice to have. It would be nice to share these things,

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Speaker 2: but I don't need to look to somebody else to

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Speaker 2: complete my life and to complete me.

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Speaker 1: I love that A partner is nice to have. That

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Speaker 1: is perfectly well said Jennifer Wells. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being here today and idpart two. You're amazing.

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Speaker 2: It was so much fun. It was.

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Speaker 1: It's greater to meet you, wildly intelligent. I need my

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Speaker 1: dating fun. I was like, oh, that's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be fun,

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Speaker 2: and I think that gets lost in the shuffle sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Thank you so much for being.

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Speaker 2: As thank you for inviting me. It was nice to

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Speaker 2: be you.

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Speaker 1: That was such a fascinating conversation on this pod. We

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Speaker 1: know the dating can feel daunte, but we want you

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Speaker 1: to know that you have some options. If you're navigating

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