Speaker 1: Dear Governor is a production of I Heart Media and
Speaker 1: three Months Media. If you are moved by Jarvis Masters
Speaker 1: and his thirty years struggle on San Quentin's Death throw,
Speaker 1: and you'd like to support his cause, please consider signing
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Speaker 1: to California Governor Gavin Newsom, Dear Governor Newsom, Dear Mr
Speaker 1: Governor Newsom. This is an open letter to Governor Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 1: Dear Governor Newsom public. Throughout his life, Jarvis Masters has
Speaker 1: endured more injustice and tragedy than any ordinary person. But
Speaker 1: then again, Jarvis is anything but ordinary. He has an
Speaker 1: almost Forrest Gumpian nature about him, a man who has
Speaker 1: been holed up in a nine by four cell since
Speaker 1: the first steer President Reagan's first term, who has nevertheless
Speaker 1: managed to live a remarkable life, attracting a circle of
Speaker 1: supporters that include world renowned spiritual and religious teachers, celebrities,
Speaker 1: world class thinkers, philosophers, and writers, from Desmond two two
Speaker 1: to Oprah Winfrey to Brian Stevenson. My name is David Chef.
Speaker 1: I am a journalist. I've been a journalist for about
Speaker 1: thirty forty years. Oh my god, and you know I
Speaker 1: had the great fortune meeting Jarvis and then moving forward
Speaker 1: with him to write a book about his life and
Speaker 1: the most extraordinary experience. One world class writer whom Jarvis
Speaker 1: has drawn into his life is author David Chef. David's
Speaker 1: best selling memoir A Beautiful Boy was made into a
Speaker 1: major motion picture starring Steve Correll and Timothy shallow May,
Speaker 1: and his latest work is a biography about Jarvis called
Speaker 1: The Buddhist on Death Row How One Man Found Light
Speaker 1: in the Darkest Place A in in true gumpy in form,
Speaker 1: Jarvis's life story managed to attract the interest of none
Speaker 1: other than the Holiness himself, the Dalai Lama. About the
Speaker 1: Buddhist on Death Row, he writes, quote, this book shows
Speaker 1: vividly how even in the face of the greatest adversity,
Speaker 1: compassion and warmhearted concern for others brings peace and inner strength.
Speaker 1: David has interviewed some of the most fascinating people in
Speaker 1: modern history, including John Lennon, Steve Jobs, Ansel Adams, Betty
Speaker 1: for Dan and more. I had a good friend whose
Speaker 1: name is Pamela Crosby and for years she talked about
Speaker 1: this guy named Jarvis Masters, who she considered her best
Speaker 1: friend or one of her best friends on death row
Speaker 1: inside Quentin. He was innocent, he'd become a Buddhist practitioner
Speaker 1: and teacher. And she described it in ways that you know,
Speaker 1: would have been extraordinary way to describe anybody, but somebody
Speaker 1: in prison on death row for most of his life.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just remarkable about the way that
Speaker 1: he connected with so many people that had in spite
Speaker 1: of the fact that he lived in one of the
Speaker 1: most depressing, dark, scary places imaginable, he still was filled
Speaker 1: with this light and joy, and he was positive. And
Speaker 1: she would leave him and feel instead of, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of depressed and and you know, broken hearted. I
Speaker 1: mean she felt that too, but she also talked about
Speaker 1: feeling uplifted because he was so much a great presence,
Speaker 1: And she kept asking me to go visit him, and
Speaker 1: I was busy. I didn't have time to do it.
Speaker 1: And at one point I was doing an article for
Speaker 1: the New York Times magazine about the warden at Saint Clinton,
Speaker 1: whose name was Jeane Whitford, and I asked DEDI if
Speaker 1: she's heard about this guy and she had, and she
Speaker 1: sort of confirmed some of the stories that I've heard
Speaker 1: from Pamela. And it was after that the night I
Speaker 1: went to see Jarvis, and I got it, you know,
Speaker 1: I got it. I was with him, he was in
Speaker 1: the adjustment center, so I was only able to meet
Speaker 1: with him with a piece of sence thick PLEXI class
Speaker 1: between us. And even through that class, I understood why
Speaker 1: Pabla and other people quite spoken to by there and
Speaker 1: described him as as a very special person in their lives.
Speaker 1: Did you ever been into a prison before. I had
Speaker 1: never been on death row. I had no idea what
Speaker 1: to expect when I went in this room, the visiting hall,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was. I was nervous. I was unsure.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, I also knew that
Speaker 1: everyone on death row, in fact, everyone in prison, is innocent.
Speaker 1: I mean, nine nine percent probably will say that they're innocent,
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, we know that most of
Speaker 1: them aren't. So I was skeptical. I was not naive
Speaker 1: when I went in there. In spite of what Pablo said,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, could he be this just really
Speaker 1: good manipulator? Who was you know, taking advantage of this
Speaker 1: very kind hearted woman, and so I went in there
Speaker 1: with this uncertainty, this trepidation, this nervousness about going into
Speaker 1: a place where I knew, you know, some of them
Speaker 1: was vile. In criminals, California is the last, probably fifty
Speaker 1: year history. We're there. It did not take long for
Speaker 1: Jarvis to reassure me and to make me feel very
Speaker 1: comfortable there. Following is a memory from the Buddhist on
Speaker 1: Death Row in which David first meets Jarvis in San
Speaker 1: Quentin audiobook read by Michael Boatman. I sit in a
Speaker 1: molded plastic chair on one side of a small table,
Speaker 1: opposite a man named Jarvis j. Masters. I tell him
Speaker 1: I'm considering writing a book about him, and ask what
Speaker 1: he thinks of the idea. I emphasize that if I
Speaker 1: go forward, I'll report what I find, both the good
Speaker 1: and the bad. I can't be painted worse than I've
Speaker 1: been painted, Master says, and I guess that's true for
Speaker 1: someone convicted of murder. I mean, he adds, look where
Speaker 1: we are. Where we are is in a closet sized
Speaker 1: cage among a dozen similar cages in a visitation hall
Speaker 1: served for the condemned at San Quentin State Prison. I
Speaker 1: follow Master's gaze as it sweeps the other cages in
Speaker 1: which convicted killers sit with family members or attorneys. Ramone
Speaker 1: Bojorkez Salcido, convicted of murdering seven people, including his wife
Speaker 1: and daughters, sits with his lawyer in a cage opposite ours. Nearby,
Speaker 1: Richard Allan Davis, who raped and killed a twelve year
Speaker 1: old girl much as Dorito's, in the cage on the end,
Speaker 1: near a bookshelf lined with board games and bibles. Scott Peterson,
Speaker 1: convicted of murdering his eight months pregnant wife and their
Speaker 1: unborn child, sits with his sister. Peterson looks relaxed and fit,
Speaker 1: but some prisoners appear tense, agitated, or sullen. And then
Speaker 1: there are guys diminutive, bespectacled, innocuous who look like tellers
Speaker 1: or in one case John Oliver, there looks deceived. Masters
Speaker 1: says over the years he's been surprised when he's learned
Speaker 1: about the crimes committed by the meekest and politest of
Speaker 1: his death Row neighbors. Some of them have perfect manners,
Speaker 1: placed their napkins on their laps, but half of Iowa's missing.
Speaker 1: What was it about? Jarvis he had already written to
Speaker 1: autobiographical books, That Bird Has My Wings and Finding Freedom.
Speaker 1: What did you want to write about Jarvis and accomplish
Speaker 1: with your book that that wasn't already accomplished with his
Speaker 1: own biography. That's a really good question. I had read
Speaker 1: Jarvis's books, I didn't mention math even before I went
Speaker 1: to see him. Yeah, it really was impressed by them
Speaker 1: and moved by them. I really got insights both to
Speaker 1: his life, his history, and also to his mind his
Speaker 1: spiritual practice. I guess I was still ascinated, really intrigued,
Speaker 1: and maybe even in a personal way, drawn to Jarvis's
Speaker 1: story because it was about how people can change, how
Speaker 1: a person changed, and it was something that I struggle
Speaker 1: with and and continue to struggle with in my life,
Speaker 1: people around me suffering, and I felt that, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a story that was must to be told.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jervis's perspective on things was amazing and fascinating.
Speaker 1: But when we see a person from the outside, we
Speaker 1: see the story in a different way. And I saw
Speaker 1: this a challenge because it was very unlike anything I'd
Speaker 1: ever written before, and the challenge was to write about change,
Speaker 1: to write about a person's spiritual transformation requires going inside
Speaker 1: their head, and so much of that process is internal,
Speaker 1: especially when you're sitting in the jail cell there we
Speaker 1: know you know it retreats up the mountains to tobout
Speaker 1: to to you know, to visit the guru um and
Speaker 1: so you to to go into that world to try
Speaker 1: it was a challenge to try to figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: how to how to tell that story. And it was
Speaker 1: very meaningful to me in the personal way. As I said,
Speaker 1: when I was here from Pamel and by then I
Speaker 1: met some of his other friends, and I met his
Speaker 1: teacher Pama children. And the idea that the person on
Speaker 1: death row who had the brutal life that he had
Speaker 1: was someone who could instruct all of us, who teach
Speaker 1: us uh, it seemed in some ways inconceivable. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to find out. I wanted to understand who he
Speaker 1: was and what that experience was and what that message was,
Speaker 1: and to see if it was true. Relationship began very tentatively.
Speaker 1: I knew him from his biography and through his friends UM,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really know him and didn't know personally,
Speaker 1: and he certainly didn't know me. In our relationship, like
Speaker 1: any relationship evolved. The evolved evolved slowly, very slowly. We
Speaker 1: got to know each other, and it wasn't I mean,
Speaker 1: a small part of it was my deciding to commit
Speaker 1: to writing about him, because that's hard, you know, talk about.
Speaker 1: But the bigger part challenge actually came from his side,
Speaker 1: which is to see if, over the course of our
Speaker 1: getting to know each other, that Jarvis would come to
Speaker 1: trust me to tell his story. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: a lot to ask someone. And so it evolved very
Speaker 1: very very slowly, and I started to have the kinds
Speaker 1: of experience as other people talked about with him. You know,
Speaker 1: he never intended to be some you know, sort of
Speaker 1: guru spiritual teacher. In fact, he you know, he laughed
Speaker 1: and almost in some ways even disdainful of the idea
Speaker 1: that he was. But I began to have experiences with
Speaker 1: him where I really did feel like I was both
Speaker 1: learning from him and was inspired by him and then
Speaker 1: attracted other parts of my life. Can you give an
Speaker 1: example of that. Those experiences, there were just so many,
Speaker 1: and they happened over time, and I think that I
Speaker 1: think for going deep with him was maybe meaningful to
Speaker 1: him too, because I do know that there were many
Speaker 1: times when all of a sudden we would kind of
Speaker 1: be lifted out of that grim visiting room inside Saint
Speaker 1: Quentin and we were somewhere else, and I think that
Speaker 1: we both shared it and I would look at each
Speaker 1: other and suddenly be back in that room and realized, God,
Speaker 1: where did we just go? Um? You know the one
Speaker 1: that I guess that I ended up telling him in
Speaker 1: the book that really sort of into into me says it.
Speaker 1: But I visited Jarvis on Christmas Day in the visiting room,
Speaker 1: and when you visit in May in the family visiting room.
Speaker 1: At the difference, I mean one that I generally met.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I met him in the legal visiting room,
Speaker 1: which is quiet cages. I mean it's not quiet. It's
Speaker 1: nothing in St. Quyton is quiet. But the family visiting
Speaker 1: room has families, has kids, has laughter, has yelling and crying.
Speaker 1: There's many many that's bigger. So I was in this
Speaker 1: room with him and we were talking, and I was
Speaker 1: looking around and I was seeing what to me was
Speaker 1: so sad. It was all these children and wives, their
Speaker 1: girlfriends and parents and brothers and sisters who on Christmas
Speaker 1: had come to visit the person that they loved in prison. Uh.
Speaker 1: They're chained when they walk in there, they're locked in
Speaker 1: this cage. And it was heartbreaking to me, and I
Speaker 1: just started to say something to Jervis. I started to say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so sad, these poor people
Speaker 1: having to come see the person that they loved in
Speaker 1: president on death row on Christmas. And just then Jarvis,
Speaker 1: you know, he had this like light as he was
Speaker 1: looking around the room and what he saw. He said,
Speaker 1: look at the love in this room. Uh, look at
Speaker 1: the love. You know, these fathers with their children, their girlfriends,
Speaker 1: their wives, their parents. And suddenly I realized I saw
Speaker 1: through Jervis's eyes, and I got it, and it was
Speaker 1: moving to me. I know you're not a Buddhist, but
Speaker 1: I assume there was a pretty high learning curve to
Speaker 1: tell his story, the story of a of a true
Speaker 1: Buddhist was that intimidating. Yeah. I had, you know, a
Speaker 1: very very very shallow idea of knowledge about what it
Speaker 1: what Buddhism is. And I was told by you know,
Speaker 1: Jervis's friend and teacher, Pami Schodren that she thought, ultimately
Speaker 1: it was a really good thing that someone who wasn't
Speaker 1: to Buddhist came in to tell the story because I
Speaker 1: came into this in the same way Jarvis came into
Speaker 1: it not only not a Buddhist but cynical religion and
Speaker 1: spiritualism and spirituality. And so I was guided into Buddhism,
Speaker 1: understanding Buddhism just like he was. And he didn't did
Speaker 1: his teachers did it. Because I had a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations with his teachers, and I came to understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: I never went to the formal religion of Buddhism, and
Speaker 1: not at the Jarvis I don't think. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I too was moved by the stories and the
Speaker 1: cons and and the experience just the just the Buddhist
Speaker 1: perspective on life that has to do with recognizing suffering,
Speaker 1: connecting with other people, realizing a responsibility to try to
Speaker 1: alleviate suffering when we do see it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: got all that. By the end, I really understood it.
Speaker 1: And I still can't tell you the names of you know,
Speaker 1: the various the Buddhism, the incarnations and all that, and
Speaker 1: and but I got the essence. And Jarvis told me
Speaker 1: that Buddhist is there for anybody. Jarvis's first introduction to
Speaker 1: the tenants of Buddhism arrived, not coincidentally, the day after
Speaker 1: the State of California had officially sentenced him to death.
Speaker 1: Here is his memory of that life altering day and
Speaker 1: excerpt from the Buddhist on death Row. The next morning,
Speaker 1: breakfast was delivered as usual, and the day progressed as
Speaker 1: if nothing had changed. Also as usual, the mail was delivered.
Speaker 1: In the evening, Jarvis examined a large envelope from someone
Speaker 1: named Lisa Leghorn, who, in a note explained that she
Speaker 1: was an assistant and interpreter to chag dud Toolkul Rinpoche,
Speaker 1: the Buddhist llama Jarvis had written two months before. Leghorn
Speaker 1: wrote that Rinpoche was glad that Jarvis had reached out
Speaker 1: to him, and she referred to a small book in
Speaker 1: the package entitled Life in Relation to Death, which contained
Speaker 1: a transcript of a talk by the Lama. Read it,
Speaker 1: she said, see if it speaks to you. Jarvis picked
Speaker 1: the book up and was instantly transfixed. On the first page,
Speaker 1: the llama described death as a subject people often ignore
Speaker 1: or think about frivolously, as if it were no big deal.
Speaker 1: Then the author wrote, this is a nice theory until
Speaker 1: one is dying, then experience and theory differ, he continued.
Speaker 1: Then one is powerless and everything familiar is lost. One
Speaker 1: is overwhelmed by a great turbulence of fear, disorientation, and confusion.
Speaker 1: For this reason, it is essential to prepare well in
Speaker 1: advance for the moment when the mind and body separate.
Speaker 1: Jarvis closed the book and breathed deeply. A familiar, choking
Speaker 1: emotion welled up in him. Anguish, but he read on.
Speaker 1: The teacher said that all people should prepare for death,
Speaker 1: and one approach was to picture the ways they might die.
Speaker 1: He listed an airplane crash, an automobile accident, a terminal illness,
Speaker 1: and being stabbed by a mugger. He didn't mention the
Speaker 1: gas chamber. Another approach was called meditative contemplations. Jarvis read
Speaker 1: through them quickly until he got to one that made
Speaker 1: him shudder. People should ask themselves two questions every night
Speaker 1: before bed. If I die tonight in my sleep, what
Speaker 1: have I done with my life? Have I been of benefit?
Speaker 1: Or have I caused harm? Jarvis needed no time to
Speaker 1: ponder his answer. He knew that he'd benefited no one,
Speaker 1: and he'd caused immeasurable harm. He read all night. Dawn
Speaker 1: was breaking as he turned the final page, but he
Speaker 1: was wide awake. He didn't believe in omens, but he
Speaker 1: reeled at the thought that during his first day on
Speaker 1: death Row, the mail had brought him a guide to dying.
Speaker 1: Biographer David Chef continues, even though I still not a
Speaker 1: Buddhist side get it. It's kind of so useful to me.
Speaker 1: The less of the Buddhism are useful to me. Meditation
Speaker 1: this profound. I didn't get that either until I heard
Speaker 1: about Jarvis's journey into meditation and learned how it really
Speaker 1: changed his life. So all that I took away from experience.
Speaker 1: What has impacted you the most in learning the lessons?
Speaker 1: Is it the meditation specif? Well, you know, meditation is profound.
Speaker 1: But the reason that it was profound to me is
Speaker 1: when it's the same, it's sort of the message overall
Speaker 1: that Jarvis learned them that I learned from Jarvis's experience,
Speaker 1: which is that my idea of meditation when you sit
Speaker 1: with your eyes closed and your legs crossed and your
Speaker 1: spine straight, and you sort of bliss out, you know,
Speaker 1: to time out. It's a way to get away from
Speaker 1: the rest of your stresses in your life. But what
Speaker 1: Jarvis learned the hard way and I ended up learning
Speaker 1: the hard way, is that's not what happens. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are those moments, but also you know, you're if
Speaker 1: you're opening your mind, you're opening your mind to whatever
Speaker 1: is inside you. Some of what is inside you is
Speaker 1: pain and heard and trauma. And you know, this lesson
Speaker 1: that I saw that was a result of meditation, it's
Speaker 1: really the ultimate was the ultimate challenge, I think for
Speaker 1: Jarvis and for me, which is, you know, be beyond meditation.
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of summed with this, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess in some ways that's the biggest cliche, but
Speaker 1: it says, you know, the only way out is through,
Speaker 1: which means, you know, the only way to get through
Speaker 1: the traumas that we experience, the only way to move
Speaker 1: forward in our lives, to be better, to be a
Speaker 1: better person, to have relationships that are more meaningful. You
Speaker 1: can't run from it. You got to go back into it,
Speaker 1: and it is hard and it is painful, but that
Speaker 1: is what I was left with more than anything. So
Speaker 1: he when I was talking with him when he was
Speaker 1: on his most recent hunger strike, I was asking him
Speaker 1: you know, does he pass the time through meditation? And
Speaker 1: his answer was, he's not sitting down and meditating. He said,
Speaker 1: he wants to be fully present. He doesn't want to escape,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to escape the experience. And I just thought,
Speaker 1: holy cow, that is not the ultimate. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what he said to me at one point two.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was meditating for a period of time,
Speaker 1: hours every day, but at one point he said to
Speaker 1: me that he meditates all the time or never, whichever
Speaker 1: however you want to look at it. But it is
Speaker 1: being present in that moment, and that's something that you
Speaker 1: learned from meditation. And I think that's probably the goal
Speaker 1: of being a Buddhist is or or a meditating whatever
Speaker 1: it is, is that when it becomes who you are
Speaker 1: and you start to perceive the world and feel the
Speaker 1: world and experience the world in a very different way.
Speaker 1: And I guess I feel like, you know, that's a
Speaker 1: good observation that you know, the way you just explained it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have found it, and I know you and I
Speaker 1: have discussed the fact that and it's I've talked to
Speaker 1: so many people interviewing them for the podcast that to
Speaker 1: know Jervis is to love Jarvis and and people use
Speaker 1: that exact phrase. What do you think it is about
Speaker 1: him that that makes him such a compelling central character? Well,
Speaker 1: I love Jarvis, and love is not something that I
Speaker 1: come to you never have in my life, and it
Speaker 1: is you know, about the relationship that grew and developed
Speaker 1: over time with somebody who was as open and gentle
Speaker 1: and kind and loving um as anyone. And you know,
Speaker 1: I came in there as the interviewer, you know, the
Speaker 1: journalist to record his story. But I mean this great
Speaker 1: friend who I still consider one of the dearest friends
Speaker 1: in my life, and the relationship was reciprocal. You know,
Speaker 1: I was there when Jarvis had some of the most
Speaker 1: challenging times that he's had in the last you know,
Speaker 1: five six years, huge disappointments related to relationships and big,
Speaker 1: big disappointments related to his appeals, his cases, you know,
Speaker 1: his case moving forward. That Jarvis has been there for me,
Speaker 1: uh in so many different circumstances. You know, I lost
Speaker 1: a dear friend and he was the one that was
Speaker 1: on the phone checking in with me. I was sick
Speaker 1: for a while and he was checking with me as well.
Speaker 1: And even when I was well enough to go visit again.
Speaker 1: That was always the first thing, you know, and he
Speaker 1: did it sometimes he teach me about it. You know, God,
Speaker 1: you look terrible. He was letting going on with you.
Speaker 1: But it was very genuine and very open, and it
Speaker 1: was this relationship. And that's how I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: relationships develop, and closeness develops, and friendships developed, and eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a very very few because of
Speaker 1: the combination of those things. And maybe there's something else
Speaker 1: that I don't fully understand. It is this chemistry or
Speaker 1: there is a spiritual connection that it does become a
Speaker 1: different kind of relationship and it does feel different. And yes,
Speaker 1: it said Jervis is connected with others and family. My
Speaker 1: son Jasper went to visit him. My wife Karen went
Speaker 1: to visit him, and she fell in love with him.
Speaker 1: Do Dandy writes him these beautiful letters. Jasper, Jasper and
Speaker 1: Jarvis communicate by letters and occasionally Virus will be able
Speaker 1: to call him and there's a real connection. And my
Speaker 1: son Nick was going to go see him too, but
Speaker 1: because Dick was once arrested when he was and he
Speaker 1: was he was a lot of good. But you know,
Speaker 1: he does feel like you know. I know other people
Speaker 1: have said this to you, but he feels like a
Speaker 1: part of our family and he always will Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the same with me. He always asked whenever he signs
Speaker 1: off the ice, is how's big Mama? What he calls
Speaker 1: my mother? So cool? Yeah, and he does. He cares.
Speaker 1: At one time. I mean, this is probably not even
Speaker 1: in parts to tell, but quickly I was sitting my
Speaker 1: father in law. Caron's parents are a hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: four years old, respectively, and one time he called him.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my in law and I was
Speaker 1: going to call him back, but then I said, um,
Speaker 1: I took his call, and I said, hey, because they've
Speaker 1: heard stories about Jars three years, I always asked you
Speaker 1: about him, and I put him on speaker phone, and
Speaker 1: it was absolutely the greatest playing. Mother in law his
Speaker 1: hysterical and she she was saying, God, I wish you
Speaker 1: could come over for dinner tonight, and when you get
Speaker 1: out of there, I mean to cook you whatever. My
Speaker 1: mother said the same thing. So we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have a giant freedom Schmorgh board. Next week we'll hear
Speaker 1: Jarvis's side of the story and why he agreed to
Speaker 1: give David Cheff, a perfect stranger at the time unfettered
Speaker 1: access to his private life. Audio excerpts courtesy of Simon
Speaker 1: and Schuster. Audio from The Buddhist on Death Row by
Speaker 1: David Cheff, read by Michael Boatman, Copyright by David Cheff,
Speaker 1: used with permission of Simon and Schuster, Inc. The Buddhist
Speaker 1: on Death Row is out in paperback this week. This
Speaker 1: episode was written and produced by Donni Fazzari and myself
Speaker 1: Corny Cole. Our theme song sentenced his compliments of the
Speaker 1: band Stick Figure from their album Set in Stone. Stu
Speaker 1: Sternbach composed the original music. Nate Dufort did the sound design.
Speaker 1: For more information on Jarvis and to find out how
Speaker 1: you can follow his case and support his cause, please
Speaker 1: visit free Jarvis dot org. For more podcasts. For my
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