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Speaker 1: how to identify it, how it looks, how to fight
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Speaker 1: Voter suppression, Doctor Westerberg, this is another thing that you
Speaker 1: and I have talked about quite a bit. I'd say
Speaker 1: we've talked about it for on and off, maybe eight
Speaker 1: years now, because I became acutely aware of it from
Speaker 1: having conversations with you. This has always been a very
Speaker 1: big concern of yours. And now I'm noticing a very
Speaker 1: conservative facet of this country becoming more aggressive in their tactics.
Speaker 1: And I see them, rather than allowing it to look
Speaker 1: like what it is, which is absolutely voter suppression. There's
Speaker 1: a thin veneer of patriotism, this idea that they're protecting
Speaker 1: some sort of voting integrity, or there's this idea that
Speaker 1: they somehow are keeping everyone honest or something like that
Speaker 1: when the truth is there, just making it more difficult
Speaker 1: for the most where for the people where it's most
Speaker 1: that's already the most difficult for them to get out
Speaker 1: there and vote. So, how do we take this idea
Speaker 1: and turn it into real things like how do we
Speaker 1: identify voter suppression in it? Or how about this a
Speaker 1: better question, what do you see as voter suppression initiatives
Speaker 1: around the country?
Speaker 3: First, I would say that voter suppression from a generic perspective,
Speaker 3: it is anything that makes you feel uncomfortable, unwelcomed, in adequate,
Speaker 3: and are not qualified when you attempt to vote. That's
Speaker 3: the essence of what it is. And there are many
Speaker 3: strategies that have been used to suppress the vote, from
Speaker 3: restricting the use of are having people to serve water
Speaker 3: while you are in line to vote, the observation of
Speaker 3: pole workers and pole observers. Right now, we just had
Speaker 3: our brands just had two workshops equipping people to become
Speaker 3: voter pole workers and pole observers to make sure that
Speaker 3: all of the guidelines where it here too at the
Speaker 3: time of election. And what is happening is that people
Speaker 3: are being threatened and so you have a number of
Speaker 3: people who are not assuming those positions any longer, and
Speaker 3: there is the suspicion that there are going to be
Speaker 3: people on November eighth who will be around those locations
Speaker 3: that will make you feel as though your life is
Speaker 3: jeopardized or that you're doing something wrong, and so voter
Speaker 3: suppression is for real. I know during the last presidential election,
Speaker 3: even the postage system was interrupted as it relates to
Speaker 3: mailien ballots, the sorting systems were taken out, and there
Speaker 3: has been a limited number of drop off boxes where
Speaker 3: you can leave your ballot. The business of committing a
Speaker 3: ballot for someone else is problematic. You cannot do that
Speaker 3: any longer. For example, if you have your neighbors and
Speaker 3: you said, well, I'll take all of them and drop
Speaker 3: them in, you can't do that. That's against the law.
Speaker 3: They're just any number of things that can be used
Speaker 3: for voter suppression, looking at the ballot and how you
Speaker 3: respond on your ballot, looking at your signature as to
Speaker 3: whether it is correct or the date. Just recently, my goodness,
Speaker 3: in Florida, there were there were individuals arrested because of
Speaker 3: an infraction related to voting. Consequently, that is suppression because
Speaker 3: anyone who wants to vote now in this election is
Speaker 3: going to have a second thought and say, you know,
Speaker 3: am I really eligible to vote? And so they are
Speaker 3: just a number of ways in which voter suppression can
Speaker 3: take place.
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of troubling when I'm listening to
Speaker 1: tell these stories because it reminds me of so much
Speaker 1: of what I've seen. One of the things that you
Speaker 1: mentioned was that a lot of the polling places were redistricted.
Speaker 1: I believe that's what happened. And what we noticed once
Speaker 1: upon a time is that polling places that typically served
Speaker 1: black and brown communities, primarily black communities in the South,
Speaker 1: the amount of polling places places diminished sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: by an order of magnitude, and or they were moved
Speaker 1: to you know, white parts of town right and the
Speaker 1: locations right right. And the result of that was that, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if black folks can't get up, get out,
Speaker 1: moved to the point and now they have to drive
Speaker 1: twice as far. You know. The idea behind that would
Speaker 1: be that it would lessen the impact of the black
Speaker 1: vote in those parts of the country and bolster you know,
Speaker 1: the white voat make it easier for white folks to
Speaker 1: vote and then of course they don't say that, but
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like. And you know, when we
Speaker 1: look back historically these sorts of tactics, this is the
Speaker 1: most creative group of people I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: These people are I mean, I don't mean it as
Speaker 1: a compliment, but you know, brilliant in terms of how
Speaker 1: they can come up with spend you know, a story
Speaker 1: where they're it's the wildest thing. In fact, you know,
Speaker 1: I was reading something recently and it was basically rules
Speaker 1: that black people had to abide by to vote in
Speaker 1: certain states. And if you were if you were a
Speaker 1: land owner and you had a piece of land that
Speaker 1: was worth more than three hundred dollars, you could vote.
Speaker 1: If you if your grandfather didn't vote, then you couldn't vote,
Speaker 1: or something like that. If you had to pay a
Speaker 1: poll tax, if you were under a certain age, you know,
Speaker 1: all these things. And the idea was that you know,
Speaker 1: in theory would be like apply to everyone, but it
Speaker 1: would only apply to certain districts or certain parts of town.
Speaker 1: And they would say it's to provide additional polling places
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the fact is is that these were
Speaker 1: all voter suppression initiatives, and nowadays we see sort of
Speaker 1: the same tactics, just modern version of it. But the
Speaker 1: truth is, the end result is that black people vote
Speaker 1: less as a result of it. And there's another thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention while you were talking. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I learned. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles, That's where I was born, and then
Speaker 1: i grew up in Phoenix, Arizona. So I've lived in
Speaker 1: big cities my whole life. What happens is I think, well,
Speaker 1: you know, that can't be so bad. You know, voters, Okay,
Speaker 1: they put a couple of rules in place. It's fine,
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. But I think that your point
Speaker 1: when you mentioned, okay, there's a black neighborhood, there's one
Speaker 1: person that's going to drop off his or her ballot,
Speaker 1: and we'll just go around to the community and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm dropping off my ballot. If you guys want to
Speaker 1: give me your grow friends, give me your ballots, I'll
Speaker 1: take them all up there. You know, there are people
Speaker 1: who are live in rural parts of the country. There
Speaker 1: are people who are not as mobile, people who are
Speaker 1: dealing with health issues, people who have to go to work, work,
Speaker 1: you know, and they can't get the time off. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not in cities. Cities tend to be very liberal,
Speaker 1: very progressive. You know, these are rural folks and in
Speaker 1: the South and places that really matter for black people,
Speaker 1: in the black voice. You know, these little rules can
Speaker 1: have a profound impact on election outcomes, and so it's
Speaker 1: very important to know this. I learned it late, so
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you listening. You're late to the
Speaker 1: party as well.
Speaker 3: It's called ballot harvesting. You can't do that. I mean,
Speaker 3: you just can't say, okay, you're working, I can't get there.
Speaker 3: Will you drop it all? You can't do it. You
Speaker 3: build out your ballot, you've signed it yourself. It's simply
Speaker 3: a matter of just going to the location and putting
Speaker 3: it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah so. So.
Speaker 3: And it's hours are changed too, that's the other the
Speaker 3: days of the hours oftentimes, and you know, who are
Speaker 3: the people that work the most, the longest, the hardest,
Speaker 3: you know, nine to five or longer to get to
Speaker 3: the polls can be very difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah so. And I think that that kind of brings
Speaker 1: me to my next point. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: how we would go about identifying a voter suppression initiative.
Speaker 1: But I think that you know, an example comes to mind,
Speaker 1: Soulds to the polls, Right, So you want to tell
Speaker 1: a little bit about souls to the polls.
Speaker 3: Well, that is a group of the divine nine that
Speaker 3: came together and decided that they were going to go
Speaker 3: and just collectively as a group make a thing out
Speaker 3: of it. You know, sometimes that's the best way that
Speaker 3: we can do it. So you have a cohort of
Speaker 3: individuals that are connected and they collectively go to the polls.
Speaker 3: It can be Sunday after church, it can be a
Speaker 3: group of fraternities and sororities as side that they're going
Speaker 3: to do it. But you have a common interest already,
Speaker 3: and so by going collectively, you're not intimidated by what
Speaker 3: you might find there. And one of the things that
Speaker 3: I that came across my desk actually from my sorority yesterday,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to share this. I thought it was
Speaker 3: just very very important for bullets to know your rights
Speaker 3: when going to the pole, and they are if you
Speaker 3: are in line when polls are scheduled to close, stay
Speaker 3: in line, you have a right to vote. So if
Speaker 3: you're already there and the polls are going to close
Speaker 3: at a certain time. As long as you are in line,
Speaker 3: don't get out. Stay there however long that line is.
Speaker 3: You have the right to vote. Make a mistake on
Speaker 3: your ballot, you should ask for a new one. Don't
Speaker 3: mark on it, just ask for another ballot. If the
Speaker 3: machines are down at your polling place, ask for a
Speaker 3: paper ballot. Don't just let it go okay, because they
Speaker 3: may go down in certain locations. Mind you don't make
Speaker 3: sure that you do vote. And if you're citizenship, criminal record,
Speaker 3: other qualifications are questioned, immediately call the Election Protection hotline,
Speaker 3: where trained volunteers are available to help. If you experience
Speaker 3: any issues, have any questions while you vote, the Election
Speaker 3: Protection Hotline is there to help you. You can call
Speaker 3: our text eight six six our Vote to speak with
Speaker 3: the trained election protection volunteer. So you don't just give
Speaker 3: up on that.
Speaker 1: Well said, So that's wonderful information to know. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you sharing it, and it actually makes me think about
Speaker 1: what we were talking about just a second ago in
Speaker 1: terms of the what does voter suppression look like? Right?
Speaker 1: So obviously those things you know look like that, but
Speaker 1: you know you were mentioning Souls to the polls. This
Speaker 1: was an initiative that took place in Georgia and as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, Sunday black women mostly got together
Speaker 1: and went out and cast their vote together. It was
Speaker 1: just on Sundays. So what did the uh, the powers
Speaker 1: that be do in response to the Souls to the
Speaker 1: Polls initiative. They close polling places on Sundays, right, And
Speaker 1: so this is textbook, you know, voter suppression. It's like
Speaker 1: a way to combat It's such a strange like you
Speaker 1: would think that we would all want everyone's voice heard
Speaker 1: accounted for. You know, let's let's you know, let's put
Speaker 1: all the ideas in the pot and see what we
Speaker 1: end up with. But no, there is a not insignificant
Speaker 1: facet of this country that absolutely does not want you
Speaker 1: to vote because if you vote, they will be outnumbered,
Speaker 1: vastly outnumbered. In fact, the party would have would cease
Speaker 1: to exist. They would have to abandon all of their
Speaker 1: platforms to even continue as the party, they would have
Speaker 1: to move so far left.
Speaker 3: And you know, there is the loss of the concept
Speaker 3: of democracy absolutely, and it is to keep control. It
Speaker 3: is to keep control by a select population of the community.
Speaker 1: Is boils down to absolutely and so voting in midterms
Speaker 1: keeps a handful of people very powerful, and very comfortable
Speaker 1: and very wealthy, and it often enough keeps you exactly
Speaker 1: where you are. You know, if you think complaining about
Speaker 1: gas prices and food, you know, is bad, you know,
Speaker 1: just if you looked at the overall trajectory of this
Speaker 1: country in the past, let's say twenty years. I read
Speaker 1: something recently and it said in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll just say twenty years. Maybe maybe it was thirty years,
Speaker 1: the average median income for the average American family was
Speaker 1: like write it around, like fifty thousand dollars or something
Speaker 1: like that. And it is still there. The average minimum
Speaker 1: wage is still exactly where it was. But the average
Speaker 1: or the wealthiest person in the country back when was
Speaker 1: you know, eighty billion dollars and now it's like two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars, right, And that's true of
Speaker 1: most all the one percent. So this money is not
Speaker 1: trickling down. You know. The standard of living is not increasing,
Speaker 1: it's not improving, minimum wage is not going up, and
Speaker 1: people that live normal lives are being robbed and left behind.
Speaker 1: And for folks to complain about gas prices without looking
Speaker 1: at that long that long view of it, you know,
Speaker 1: just sort of having a bit more perspective on things.
Speaker 3: It might be a lot of things that's going on
Speaker 3: in the world too, as to why the gas price
Speaker 3: is sure acted. And so you know, it isn't necessarily
Speaker 3: that it's the people who are in office right now.
Speaker 3: There are other factors and and and some of the
Speaker 3: people who are are advocates of voter suppression of the
Speaker 3: ones who are the hope what should I say? They
Speaker 3: are advocates for individuals who are causing the gas prices
Speaker 3: to grow up. And that's an international that is an
Speaker 3: international problem. They're not just local. So it's a big
Speaker 3: game that we're playing. It's a really big game. It's
Speaker 3: larger than even just what's happening within the United States
Speaker 3: because those the individuals that are making decisions are sometimes
Speaker 3: in cohoops with people of other countries who control our
Speaker 3: oil and our gas and our opportunities. So it's.
Speaker 1: Much larger. You know, you mentioned a larger puzzle. And
Speaker 1: there's another piece that we haven't really touched on, and
Speaker 1: we just have a couple minutes left, but in brief
Speaker 1: explain for our listeners. What jerrymandering is.
Speaker 3: Jerry Mandering really takes place after the senses has occurred,
Speaker 3: and the census is where you have people coming and
Speaker 3: knock on your door and they want to find out
Speaker 3: how many people, the ages, ethnicity, etc. Once you get
Speaker 3: all of that data, then you begin looking at it
Speaker 3: and deciding where you want to draw lines so that
Speaker 3: you have districts electoral districts within each community. And the
Speaker 3: individuals who are making those decisions sometimes will draw lines
Speaker 3: so that they disenfranchise certain segments of the population. For example,
Speaker 3: you may have a community where there's a historically black college,
Speaker 3: and they'll split that historically black college in half to
Speaker 3: dilute the strength that you would have coming out of
Speaker 3: that particular community. So it's really a matter of controlling
Speaker 3: the voting power of select communities and making sure that
Speaker 3: the voting power is design in structured in a fashion
Speaker 3: that will work well for you and your policies.
Speaker 1: Right. So again, jerrymandering is another piece of a puzzle
Speaker 1: that many people don't know or feel in their day
Speaker 1: to day lives. But you know, voting in midterm elections,
Speaker 1: you get to choose the decision makers, right, and if
Speaker 1: you choose the people who make good decisions, then they
Speaker 1: won't seek to, you know, weaken your vote by splitting
Speaker 1: your district so that you put a little of them
Speaker 1: over here, a little of them over there, and then
Speaker 1: they won't have enough of a voice any other district
Speaker 1: to really make any impact. Right, and so Jerry mannering
Speaker 1: is another thing to be on the lookout for. But
Speaker 1: the point here is that there are many ways that
Speaker 1: voting power could be weakened. There's so much at stake
Speaker 1: if our communities' votes continue to be disenfranchised. So far,
Speaker 1: we've been able to fight back a good fight, but
Speaker 1: as you mentioned this time around, there are people coming
Speaker 1: after our vote full strength. They have every type of
Speaker 1: voter suppression initiatives. Are some creative folks, And if you
Speaker 1: want to fight back, I will let you know once
Speaker 1: again NAACP dot org. You can donate, you can organize,
Speaker 1: You can not just sit around and wait for it
Speaker 1: to happen. And you need to do that in addition
Speaker 1: to casting your vote and getting everybody you know to
Speaker 1: do the same thing. Put it on social media. I'm
Speaker 1: going to vote. Are you anyway that you can get
Speaker 1: folks to those polls? Do it and again. Go to
Speaker 1: NAACP dot org to find out how you can help
Speaker 1: spread the word. Moving on, It's time for the Way
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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about the origins of the NAACP,
Speaker 1: so we'll start at the beginning. In nineteen o eight,
Speaker 1: a deadly race riot rock the city of Springfield. Eruptions
Speaker 1: of anti black violence, particularly lynching, were horrifically commonplace, but
Speaker 1: the Springfield riot was the final tipping point that led
Speaker 1: to the creation of the NAACP. Appalled at this rampant violence,
Speaker 1: a group of white liberals that included Mary White Ovington
Speaker 1: and Oswald Garrison, both the descendants of famous abolitionists William
Speaker 1: English Whaling, and doctor Henry Muskowitz, issued a call for
Speaker 1: a meeting to discuss racial justice. Some sixty people, seven
Speaker 1: of whom were African American, including W. E. B. Dubois I,
Speaker 1: to B. Wells Barnett, and Mary Church Terrell signed the call,
Speaker 1: which was released on the centennial of Lincoln's birth. Echoing
Speaker 1: the focus of dubois Niagara movement for civil rights, which
Speaker 1: began in nineteen oh five, the NAACP aimed to secure
Speaker 1: for all people the rights guaranteed in the thirteenth, fourteenth,
Speaker 1: and fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, which promised
Speaker 1: an end to slavery, provide equal protection under the law,
Speaker 1: and the right for all men to vote respectively. Accordingly,
Speaker 1: the NAACP's mission is to ensure the political educational equality
Speaker 1: of minority group citizens of states and eliminate race prejudice.
Speaker 1: The NAACP works to remove all barriers of racial discrimination
Speaker 1: through the democratic process. The national office was established in
Speaker 1: New York City in nineteen ten, as well as a
Speaker 1: board of directors and President Moorefield Story, a white constitutional
Speaker 1: lawyer and former president of the American Bar Association. Despite
Speaker 1: a foundational commitment to multi racial membership, Dubois was the
Speaker 1: only African American among the organization's original executives. He was
Speaker 1: made director of Publications and Research, and in nineteen ten
Speaker 1: established The Crisis, The acclaimed publication of the NAACP by
Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen. With a strong emphasis on local organizing, the
Speaker 1: NAACP had established branch offices in such cities as Boston, Massachusetts, Baltimore, Maryland,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Missouri, Saint Louis, Missouri, Washington, d C. And Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 1: NAACP membership grew rapidly from around nine thousand, nineteen seventeen
Speaker 1: to around ninety thousand and nineteen nineteen, with more than
Speaker 1: three hundred local branches. And we'll skip forward here. While
Speaker 1: much of the NAACP's history is chronicled in books, articles, pamphlets,
Speaker 1: and magazines, the true movement lies in the faces of
Speaker 1: the multiracial, multi generational army of ordinary people who united
Speaker 1: to awaken the consciousness of the people. And a nation
Speaker 1: with such a powerful membership base, all twenty two hundred
Speaker 1: chapters of the association continued to persevere. And that is
Speaker 1: the origin story of the NAACP. It's an organization that
Speaker 1: responded to kind of what was going on, race, riots, lynchings,
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, you know, very black stuff. But
Speaker 1: it also stood to make sure that everybody was treated
Speaker 1: equally as well. And this is something that I feel
Speaker 1: is kind of important. We do this on Civic Sipher.
Speaker 1: We recognize that having a platform like this, having a
Speaker 1: show like this, you know, in spaces where hip hop
Speaker 1: music is consumed, where you know, it's a popular facet
Speaker 1: of the culture that we can tell our black stories.
Speaker 1: But you know, at a time when our Asian American
Speaker 1: and Pacific Islander brothers and sisters were feeling, you know,
Speaker 1: very traumatized and very attacked, you know, they may not
Speaker 1: have the same sort of outlet, the same sort of
Speaker 1: infrastructure or strength in terms of like a space like this,
Speaker 1: and so you know, we obviously would share our space
Speaker 1: with our brothers and sisters in need.
Speaker 3: It's an old organization. Oh yeah, it's there for young people.
Speaker 3: I must let young people eighteen through thirty no, that
Speaker 3: we welcome them, that we need them. That many of
Speaker 3: us have been foot soldiers out there and continue to
Speaker 3: be foot soldiers, but we need to come together and
Speaker 3: use their efforts and their energy and creativity and know
Speaker 3: how to accomplish the goals to save our democracy.
Speaker 1: We want you. And before we move on, we got
Speaker 1: about maybe thirty seconds or so, but briefly tell us
Speaker 1: about Circle to the Cipher, where we got our name.
Speaker 3: Tell yeah, Circle to the Cipher actually began. As I
Speaker 3: had mentioned, I created a rap literature, the first hip
Speaker 3: hop class in the state of Arizona in that genre,
Speaker 3: and along the way, I really realized that there needed
Speaker 3: to be dialogue between individuals and finding that taking place
Speaker 3: in a number of ways, but I really based it
Speaker 3: off of hip hop culture with Africa, with the people
Speaker 3: in villages coming together in a circle to talk with
Speaker 3: each other about the needs of their village and the community.
Speaker 3: And then when you get into the hood and you
Speaker 3: have a cipher where you have your dj coming together,
Speaker 3: and in Africa you have your drummer pulling the people.
Speaker 3: When they hear the drum, they as symbol. When you're
Speaker 3: in the city and the hood, you hear the dja,
Speaker 3: you hear the people begin to as symbol. And then
Speaker 3: you have your rappers who are the voice. They are
Speaker 3: the greats of the commusic community. They tell the story
Speaker 3: and the history of the community and the needs of
Speaker 3: the community. And so Circle to the CSIPHA embraces that
Speaker 3: concept of history of how we come together from Africa
Speaker 3: to a symbol to dialogue with each other and in
Speaker 3: hip hop culture as well. And the thought is that
Speaker 3: we will take your more seasoned elders such as I
Speaker 3: and young people who are rappers, are graph artists, be
Speaker 3: boys and be girls, or you're a spoken word artist,
Speaker 3: and come together and dialogue with each other about the
Speaker 3: issues of today and to work collectively together and to
Speaker 3: allow them to do it in their voice. I can't spit.
Speaker 3: But there are some people that I know out there
Speaker 3: who can take the message and deliver it in a
Speaker 3: way that I never could, and they can deliver it
Speaker 3: to a population that I never could. And so that's
Speaker 3: what the Circle to the Cipher is about.
Speaker 1: All right? Well, before we let you go, how can
Speaker 1: folks learn more about from the Circle to the Cipher? Well,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: What, I actually believe it or not, I will be
Speaker 3: putting up a website. You can email me both first
Speaker 3: and foremost. Right now it is c A H W
Speaker 3: E S T E N B at aol dot com.
Speaker 3: But if you look me up from now on you
Speaker 3: will be getting my website because my girl Leah missus
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