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Speaker 3: we're chatting right now. Happy Thanksgiving Week to all who celebrate.
Speaker 3: Very thankful for all of you listeners, all of you tommies.
Speaker 1: Are we into it? Are we tommies? Are we tommies? Listen?
Speaker 2: I bought stuffing flavoredcorn from Trader Joe's.
Speaker 3: I just saw it today. I literally laid eyes on
Speaker 3: it forty five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: I left the whole bag at the airport.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 3: No, I left the bag. Oh, I thought, I hate
Speaker 3: the whole bag. I left the bag. I oh it
Speaker 3: was bad. Yeah, I hated it.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's hard not to like try something
Speaker 2: so goofy they and if the food scientists I do.
Speaker 1: I do want to give a heads up to everyone.
Speaker 2: I did have a little Manhattan Monday out of the Blue.
Speaker 2: I had seven Manhattans last night. I would say what
Speaker 2: the didn't even mean to didn't even mean too truly,
Speaker 2: was thinking, I'm like, I'm just gonna do my spot
Speaker 2: and leave. Like I was really tired. I was like,
Speaker 2: I just need to do my spot and leave. And
Speaker 2: my spot's not until twelve forty. But like there was
Speaker 2: a drop but whatever, I was later and so then
Speaker 2: I was left at the table with someone I hate.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, take a Manhattan.
Speaker 2: And then I got a drowned them out. I like,
Speaker 2: can't deal with this. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 2: let's just have two and to get a buzz on.
Speaker 2: And then I get and I obviously so I argued
Speaker 2: with a man hardcore last night. Fucking fought this at
Speaker 2: like I slammed the sign in front of his face
Speaker 2: and I'm like, get the fuck out of this table.
Speaker 1: It's for comics.
Speaker 2: And he goes, I'll get You'll get kicked out of
Speaker 2: here before me. I go, what, Like, are you out
Speaker 2: of your mind? He's like the owner's best friend. I go,
Speaker 2: are you fucking out of your mind? I go He's like,
Speaker 2: you're trying to kick me out. I go no, But
Speaker 2: you can't be on this table if you're gonna be disrespectful.
Speaker 2: I already told you twice not to fucking speak to
Speaker 2: me like that. And if you want to sit at
Speaker 2: this table, you're gonna be polite or you get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here because you're not a comic.
Speaker 1: Well guess who he is.
Speaker 2: So I'm fighting and I'm now like eight man, like
Speaker 2: I'm having the time. But then all of this, all
Speaker 2: of the servers, all the bartenders, I get messages from
Speaker 2: one going I fucking hate him, get him? You ate
Speaker 2: that shit up. People are I'm going downstairs. Servers are
Speaker 2: hugging me and high fiving me. Go people they're like,
Speaker 2: we hate him. They go thank you so much, like
Speaker 2: everyone can't because they hate him because he's a bad person.
Speaker 2: But I don't know who he is, but I obviously
Speaker 2: know he's smart, like he has a he knows a lot,
Speaker 2: So I go bro for someone that knows a lot.
Speaker 2: Your energy should be teaching, not condescending. You being shocked.
Speaker 2: People don't know shit, like I'm always open to like
Speaker 2: figuring stuff out, But you're condescending and crazy.
Speaker 1: Stop calling me ridiculous. He said it was naive.
Speaker 2: I was like whatever, he testified against reparations. He has
Speaker 2: a black man who testified in Congress against reparations. That's
Speaker 2: why I was fighting. So so I'm fighting, no idea
Speaker 2: who this motherfucker is. And then the manager texts me
Speaker 2: this and I start cackling. I start cat I could
Speaker 2: like at three am. She sends it to me. It
Speaker 2: was a late night. So I'm now like, this makes
Speaker 2: so much sense. This guy is fucking crazy, but he
Speaker 2: just was. So he was a twerp. He was a
Speaker 2: twarp and he's friends with the owner, and he thought
Speaker 2: he could swing his dick. And so I finally stood
Speaker 2: up and I was like, you're only acting like this
Speaker 2: because you're friends with the owner. I go, you would
Speaker 2: never have these fucking balls outside of here. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you fucked with the wrong Like I went off, but
Speaker 2: I'm so hungover today. I definitely puked. I barely made
Speaker 2: it outside. I I'm like hanging on by a thread
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Like I bought electro lit it's terrible. I should have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that pedia light.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't think it was that bad, Like I
Speaker 2: didn't think it was gonna taste bad. I just love raid,
Speaker 2: and I kind of am like disappointed, but whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people say pedia light is the real flow of
Speaker 3: Electrolyte said it's really bad, Like I don't think it
Speaker 3: tastes good.
Speaker 1: But people like the pops, the frozen pops. Those are
Speaker 1: supposed to be good too, frozen.
Speaker 3: Wow, I can't believe you just got Manhattan up and
Speaker 3: went I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna call it Manhattan Monday. But then happen Monday. But
Speaker 2: then like the bartenders are just making me drinks because
Speaker 2: everyone was so happy. I yelled at this guy that
Speaker 2: they've hated because obviously he tips back like he's bad,
Speaker 2: Like he's bad juju. And it reminds me of a situation.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Real Housewives of New York. It's
Speaker 2: very Ramona Codd where it's like I'm gonna find a
Speaker 2: person that agrees with me that I'm going to show off,
Speaker 2: like this is my black friend who has the same
Speaker 2: views as me, so look at that and parading him around,
Speaker 2: but like I don't know, obviously he's he is very
Speaker 2: he knows a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, I just come up.
Speaker 2: Oh, but then I brought up obviously my castration because
Speaker 2: then I was like being crazy, right, and I go listen.
Speaker 2: I think for the safety of humanity, men should not
Speaker 2: be let out of the home without an escort. I go,
Speaker 2: men should be chemically castrated.
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, ninety plus percent of
Speaker 2: violent crimes are about you guys. So like, if we're
Speaker 2: talking logic, you should all be castrated out of here
Speaker 2: first offense.
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, blah blah blah. I go, no,
Speaker 1: it's what I believe.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. I don't care.
Speaker 1: He's like, what if I told you?
Speaker 2: I go, Obviously there's racial implications, false accusation. Like I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff, but I think it's worth
Speaker 2: it to keep people safe. I'm okay sacrificing a few,
Speaker 2: you know, but whatever, I was acting crazy at this point. Well,
Speaker 2: I looked at guy up and he's also a hobbyist rapper.
Speaker 2: No it says it says hobbyist rapper. So well, yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone's like he's such a talented musician. I go, he's
Speaker 2: a swarp. He's a swarp. Don't talk to me. I
Speaker 2: fucking talk to me, motherfucker. I'm it's Manhattan Monday. I
Speaker 2: will come at you. But I want to have a
Speaker 2: nice night. It was it was actually it was Chay
Speaker 2: and his assistant Keana, and they're like a good hand.
Speaker 2: So I was like, it's gonna be a peaceful night.
Speaker 2: I'll have a couple, get a little buzz. I'm like
Speaker 2: standing over this man like, oh my god, I got
Speaker 2: the reparation news. I like could because I brought it up.
Speaker 2: I basically was saying, the South never paid. I go,
Speaker 2: the South was never punished for the war, Like they
Speaker 2: were never punished. And he was like, you're ridiculous. You're
Speaker 2: an idiot. Like he was, just like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 2: They burned down Atlanta. I go, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, these fuckers got to keep their money, and
Speaker 2: all the people that were enslaved should have gotten the money.
Speaker 2: All those people should have been robbed, taken everything. The
Speaker 2: fact there's old money that goes back to like slave
Speaker 2: owning people is disgusting. I go, all of that money
Speaker 2: should be takeing. They should have been punished. And he
Speaker 2: kept saying that I was stupid and crazy for that, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I bet he's gonna think twice about sitting
Speaker 3: at that comic table.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but people were like, I can't believe
Speaker 2: you did that. I go listen. I wasn't planning on
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: Do you think the owner's gonna be mad at you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna the next time I see him, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go, your friend is terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go.
Speaker 2: Your friend is out of line where comics were at
Speaker 2: fucking work, and I'm not gonna be talked to in
Speaker 2: a way that I don't like at my table. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell him to go talk to his friend. No,
Speaker 2: he come get your boy. He doesn't like, he doesn't
Speaker 2: get like I don't have to use anyone to get
Speaker 2: where I am. Yeh, I this is my job and
Speaker 2: I've been here for close to eleven years now, So
Speaker 2: motherfucker you think I don't have to play games. Yeah?
Speaker 2: So you trying to act like you're gonna get me
Speaker 2: kicked out here because you get comped because you know
Speaker 2: the owner. I will talk to him. I like, this
Speaker 2: is my fucking job. Like I don't know. I feel
Speaker 2: like I am a chill, calm girl, but I do
Speaker 2: get riled obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And seven plus Manhattans does not help at all. That doesn't,
Speaker 3: it doesn't. That'sn't really a ball. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 3: really soothe anything for anybody. I would say, unless it's
Speaker 3: gonna put you out, like seven Manhattans would put me
Speaker 3: in a coma, like I would.
Speaker 2: Be in another Manhattan Monday. No, I've been drinking too much.
Speaker 2: I also, I'm gonna say one more long thing and
Speaker 2: then I'll shut up and you'll fill me in on
Speaker 2: everything that you have to say. You know, it was
Speaker 2: Tricksy and Katia a few weeks before I fell into
Speaker 2: another YouTube hole. I've watched like probably fifty episodes of
Speaker 2: this thing.
Speaker 1: It's called lad Bible, which sounds douchey, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a series called Minutes with and it's basically like
Speaker 2: straight up face interviews of people that just harrowing stories.
Speaker 2: So I survived the Chinese mafia, I was human trafficked,
Speaker 2: I escaped Ted Bundy. And then it's also like crime
Speaker 2: scene cleaner, and it's not the crime scene like CSU.
Speaker 2: It's like, after all the evidence is taken, she goes
Speaker 2: in and cleans the mess so the families can go back,
Speaker 2: and so talking to her was wild. Then it's like
Speaker 2: a lot of detectives and my favorite Criminologists was part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: So one of them escaped, the Yorkshire Ripper.
Speaker 2: She was clubbed by him and like someone came on
Speaker 2: the street and like the cops wouldn't help her and
Speaker 2: didn't give a fuck, and she talks about it. And
Speaker 2: then the also someone that lived with Fred and Rose
Speaker 2: West remember that they were like the couple that like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the daughter she lived in that apartment and was like
Speaker 2: she told them day of like I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: She goes, I knew if I told him earlier, I'd
Speaker 2: get killed. And then her friend got killed was one
Speaker 2: of the people. She's like, I wish I helped my friend.
Speaker 2: But she was like a teenager. She was only sixteen.
Speaker 2: I was a hit man for the cartel. It's a
Speaker 2: guy who was working at Rikers and he really he's
Speaker 2: like all integrity and he got fucking wrapped up and
Speaker 2: started selling drugs.
Speaker 1: But it was all a set up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, job.
Speaker 1: But it's like an incredible series.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't I knew about Cambodia, like in uh theory,
Speaker 2: but like a woman who survived the Cambodian like the
Speaker 2: takeover in the seventies, like the kad Yes, it.
Speaker 1: Was fucked up.
Speaker 2: The things she was saying, I mean it's fuck, it's
Speaker 2: really fucked up stuff. Oh, I survived ninety three days
Speaker 2: with Somali pirates. I mean I was like really in
Speaker 2: like a hole of I think I saw the one
Speaker 2: of jentlem as Cavage. There's Cavage's daughter. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 2: think it was nice. It's her other niece niece. But
Speaker 2: you know how everyone thinks the wife is murdered. She goes, no,
Speaker 2: she did something wrong. Like I could see her just
Speaker 2: being like put to work in servitude in private, and
Speaker 2: that's not something that's like not nore, like that's not
Speaker 2: rare for scientific like drowned upon it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh, kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: But I've really enjoyed them. And it's people who nine years.
Speaker 2: This cocaine smuggler who's really fucking cool, but he served
Speaker 2: nine years in a prison in Ecuador. But the trauma
Speaker 2: these I don't know, it's fucked. And all of them
Speaker 2: had bad parents. At the end of the day, they
Speaker 2: all had bad parents. Like the hitman. He watched his
Speaker 2: dad rapist sister and shot his dad, and the dad
Speaker 2: served twenty three years, but he went to juvie, became
Speaker 2: a full boone criminal and then killed over seventy people
Speaker 2: for the cartel. One of them is Ted Bundy. Tried
Speaker 2: to kill me. Yeah, I watched that one. Fuck she
Speaker 2: was in the sorority house and he kills or the
Speaker 2: other sisters. One escaped the Mumbai terrorist attacks, like in
Speaker 2: the hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people like.
Speaker 2: I'm usually pretty grateful for life, but it definitely makes
Speaker 2: you uh, oh I survived an honor killing. Wow, Like
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 1: Guys want you guys want to feel extra grateful.
Speaker 3: This Thanksgiving such a good series to check out that
Speaker 3: you've never been on a boat with Somali pirates.
Speaker 1: Geez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my wild the like human capacity to start. Oh,
Speaker 2: but a lot of it is like like people that
Speaker 2: work within organizations that stop human trafficking and they talk
Speaker 2: about tracking these people as well. But I watched one
Speaker 2: and it was a guy who he helps people get
Speaker 2: off death row and he's had over like four hundred clients.
Speaker 2: He's got four hundred people off death row, but six
Speaker 2: have been killed and he goes to their executions and
Speaker 2: it was really fucked up, but he went to and
Speaker 2: then multiple of the people that were murdered by the
Speaker 2: state were found innocent later, Like you know, just like
Speaker 2: how many innocent people, and we're anti death penalty. And
Speaker 2: I and while I was fighting this guy, I did say,
Speaker 2: I'm like, things are complicated. I go because I'm against
Speaker 2: the death penalty, but I am for chemical castration. I go.
Speaker 1: Life's wild. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But he went to Abu Grabe and he said he
Speaker 2: got like ninety percent of the people out of there
Speaker 2: because none of them are terrorists. There was like a
Speaker 2: kid like the translations were off, Like he truly went
Speaker 2: there and got like ninety percent of the people out.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but it was not real.
Speaker 2: He goes, we overestimate their accuracy, like these people suck.
Speaker 2: And the horrible story was like they hated this one
Speaker 2: person they were putting to death, so they didn't shave
Speaker 2: him right, so he caught on fire in the electric chair.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's not that fucked up. Ough, But
Speaker 2: this guy was smart and cool. But he said the
Speaker 2: innocent clients are more annoying, and they make mistakes because
Speaker 2: like a guilty person wants to get off, but an
Speaker 2: innocent person in their mind, they're like, well I can't
Speaker 2: be convicted. I didn't do it, So they make stupid
Speaker 2: mistakes and choices with arrogance of being innocent and then
Speaker 2: they get convicted and they can't even believe it. So
Speaker 2: I didn't I thought about that. Yeah, that's crazy. The
Speaker 2: other horrifying thing, the Cambodia story, the like, what are
Speaker 2: the guys, what are the bad guys names? The Khmer Rouge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they would say. They're saying, was like, we gain nothing
Speaker 2: from killing you, and we gain nothing from keeping you alive.
Speaker 2: We're Nihilis Slabowski. We believe in nothing. Sickos. That's so
Speaker 2: sick sickos. Like, yeah, my god, your life just changes
Speaker 2: in a day staying alive. I mean, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know why I watched. But
Speaker 2: then there's light ones that are like, I manage a brothel.
Speaker 2: I love it, So that's good. There's like a sixty
Speaker 2: plus year old woman who's dominatrix and that was like
Speaker 2: fun and she you know her like slave dore for
Speaker 2: that day.
Speaker 3: And uh okay wait, so speaking of speaking of sex work,
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you've seen this guy who's
Speaker 3: like a democrat and he's running for something in Texas.
Speaker 3: His name's James Tallerico. I believe Okay, let me just
Speaker 3: you've probably seen him because he's like very young and
Speaker 3: he looks like a Bible boy with his hair, but
Speaker 3: he is like a progressive Christian, like he is running
Speaker 3: for he's running like on like progressive values. But he's
Speaker 3: also like you're all misreading the Bible. I so, you know,
Speaker 3: I get my axios, like every day, I get like
Speaker 3: this email that has like ten items, and they're supposed
Speaker 3: to be pretty middle of the road. In fact, sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm like, stop sucking the Republicans dick so much, like
Speaker 3: they're really like down the middle. They send this thing
Speaker 3: out over the weekend with one of the items was
Speaker 3: that big news alert James Tallerico, who's like, who's a
Speaker 3: state a Texas state representative who I.
Speaker 1: Believe is running for Senate.
Speaker 3: There follows a few people on only fans on Instagram
Speaker 3: who are OnlyFans models follows them and that's it. There's
Speaker 3: no proof that he patronizes any accounts. He follows like
Speaker 3: one hundred that people, and a few of them happened
Speaker 3: to be porn actors and only fans people.
Speaker 1: And I wrote back.
Speaker 3: And I was like, is this fucking news? Like I mean,
Speaker 3: I didn't swear, but I was like, is this news
Speaker 3: that a political like a politician follows sex workers?
Speaker 1: Like what are you? Why are you making this a
Speaker 1: big deal? Like and then I couldn't.
Speaker 3: You could barely find anybody talking about it on Twitter
Speaker 3: or anything, but a few people like what a what
Speaker 3: a shot in the fucking dark that he's not allowed
Speaker 3: to follow OnlyFans models. That's the scandal. We're really trying
Speaker 3: too hard now when there's fucking pedophiles. I mean, what
Speaker 3: the Democrat did? Fuck the motherfucker Dick Durbin will not
Speaker 3: answer the phone.
Speaker 2: That's my Illinois guy, call fuck yourself were I'm disgusting, disgusted,
Speaker 2: It's disgusting, fucking spineless, gross motherfuckers. We are facing full
Speaker 2: authoritative fascism, Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 3: My health assurance is going up already, and it's already exorbitant,
Speaker 3: and it's going up almost four hundred dollars, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, and I know that that's like, that's nothing
Speaker 3: compared to what's happening to some other people. So other
Speaker 3: people are going from like four hundred to three thousand,
Speaker 3: like so I can't even So I'm like considering myself
Speaker 3: lucky that the government wants a quarter of my earnings
Speaker 3: to pay They want.
Speaker 1: A quarter of what I make to have health insurance.
Speaker 1: It's so gross.
Speaker 3: This place is hell yeah and hot off the victory
Speaker 3: like of course, like we have this great Tuesday of
Speaker 3: all these good.
Speaker 1: Weights off with their heads. That's how I wait their heads.
Speaker 2: I also realized that the poker night was a Manhattan
Speaker 2: night too, and maybe I should revisit what I'm doing with.
Speaker 1: My free time.
Speaker 3: Manhattans are like, yeah, you're tequila or something.
Speaker 1: They're like they're doing something to you. It's just so good.
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Speaker 2: I'm wearing r That's Messed Up Purple sweatcher right now,
Speaker 2: which I'm gonna wear on Friday because it's Ruby Bridge's
Speaker 2: Walk to school where we celebrate the first little girl
Speaker 2: to go to an all white school and defy segregation laws.
Speaker 1: And she's a fucking civil rights hero. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wear my purple TMU sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: And I don't think she's even say no.
Speaker 3: She's like no, she's fully alive and kicking Ruby Bridge. Yeah,
Speaker 3: alive and kicking. It's so fucked. But yeah, we live
Speaker 3: in a post racist society. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: A live Literally, she's on Instagram. Okay, should we get
Speaker 3: going today's episode? Happy Thanksgiving, gobble gobble to everybody. I
Speaker 3: hope you guys are all stocking up on edibles or
Speaker 3: whatever you need to get through some possibly tough conversations
Speaker 3: with your family this season.
Speaker 1: I'm staying away from them.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be here in LA. But let's get to
Speaker 3: today's episode. A true classic, I think I think this
Speaker 3: episode coming up is a true classic.
Speaker 1: It's also like unhinged.
Speaker 2: I would say it's an unhinged, completely off the rails.
Speaker 2: We are doing the episode blast Perfect Name season seven,
Speaker 2: Name One Word, Give It to Us, Episode twelve, two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, and it's a fun day at the
Speaker 2: end of school. Two girls are talking about boogers, you know,
Speaker 2: and then the crossing guard goes gross. I still remember
Speaker 2: my childhood crossing guard's name, Like I loved my crossing
Speaker 2: guard Pat.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a crossing guard, but we had a
Speaker 3: janitor with who was missing a thumb named Lou, and
Speaker 3: he was like my favorite person in the world.
Speaker 2: Like we were all obsessed with Lou.
Speaker 3: Like if you were walking the hallways like feeling upset,
Speaker 3: Lou would be like, what's going on and like talk
Speaker 3: to you. It was truly like a from a TV show,
Speaker 3: like a character that you're like, really the janitor's.
Speaker 1: Best friends with all the kids.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, I gotta I gotta start watching Abba again.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 2: I like saw clips today on my phone and I went, wait,
Speaker 2: I love the show.
Speaker 1: I ran out of the show.
Speaker 3: I just I got to the point where there were
Speaker 3: like twenty five, like forty episodes on my DVR, and
Speaker 3: I got too overwhelmed and I deleted all of them
Speaker 3: because I was like, I mean, I can just go
Speaker 3: screaming stream at any time, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's such a great show.
Speaker 2: I love the kids.
Speaker 1: I got these kids.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a girl, a burnette with a hat
Speaker 2: and then a blonde, a blonde with a headband and
Speaker 2: a pink coat. So there's a puppy and the hat
Speaker 2: girl follows the puppy. The blonde like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: go follow the puppy, and then the music gets really dramatic.
Speaker 2: The girl's like opening this crazy door in an alley
Speaker 2: to try to find the dog. But then we hear
Speaker 2: the blonde girls scream, I mean the writing on this
Speaker 2: show like, I yeah, it so. And this girl is
Speaker 2: giving Elle and Dakota Fanning all at once, like it
Speaker 2: is kind of a bootleg version of you know, maybe
Speaker 2: she's a younger Fanning. And so the Hat runs back
Speaker 2: and Pink like trying to help her friend even and
Speaker 2: pink jacket dragged into a van. She's she's screaming, help help.
Speaker 2: The crossing guard runs, you know, she can't. She's not
Speaker 2: catching the van, not fast enough. The blue van is gone,
Speaker 2: the girl is gone, and now Hat is talking to
Speaker 2: Benson giving the scoop. The crossing guard is a Stabler
Speaker 2: and the girl's Carly Hunter and she's eight years old
Speaker 2: and Stabler judge immediately the parents let them walk home alone,
Speaker 2: and it cuts to the Hat girl answering the same question,
Speaker 2: but to Benson, Oh, they only live a block away,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, when do you think you're gonna let
Speaker 2: your kids welcome?
Speaker 3: That's a really great question because we only live a
Speaker 3: few blocks from their school, so I would let them
Speaker 3: go together. And if they were in a little group,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, because it's like like there's no problems.
Speaker 1: I feel like my neighborhood is safe.
Speaker 3: But it's just like the day that someone decides to
Speaker 3: pull up and be like get in.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's the scary part, you know, Like yeah, and then
Speaker 3: it's scary because we've also covered the case and like
Speaker 3: the episodes where it's like the first time they ever
Speaker 3: do it, and then that's when they're kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I know that they could get there.
Speaker 3: It's literally they take a left and go straight like
Speaker 3: it's not you know.
Speaker 2: But it's such a cultural thing because there's a whole
Speaker 2: like isn't there a whole TV show in Japan where
Speaker 2: they just send kids to do errands and they're tiny
Speaker 2: and they have to buy themselves. Yeah, yeah, and they
Speaker 2: do and it's like sweet and I'm like, yeah, everything's
Speaker 2: so different, and then there's a Nordic country where they
Speaker 2: leave strollers outside for babies to nap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's okay with it.
Speaker 2: It's just like we also live in this nightmare and
Speaker 2: it's not like there's they're not snatching people in these places.
Speaker 2: Pedophiles are everywhere. But it's yeah, just like more trusted.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what it is. But
Speaker 2: we had the milk carton stuff of it all, and
Speaker 2: our president's a human trafficker, So like when the human
Speaker 2: traffickers are in charge and we have such a large place,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean some people, like I have a friend who
Speaker 3: let their kids, like a fourth grader and a first
Speaker 3: grader walk to the donut shop like on the corner.
Speaker 2: She was tracking them on her iPhone the entire time.
Speaker 3: But like, if they walk to school every morning, how
Speaker 3: do I even know if they don't make it there
Speaker 3: until I get a voicemail, you know, like two hours later,
Speaker 3: and then what I'm checking for the track or like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's like I got to figure it out.
Speaker 3: I got to figure when everybody is doing that.
Speaker 2: But well, hopefully they never ask and you never have
Speaker 2: to let them, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean we walk them right now, and it's like
Speaker 1: so fucking cute.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like it's like Sesame Street in the
Speaker 3: morning and we're like good morning, like to all the neighbors,
Speaker 3: like we're past, say, we've had the same ladies every
Speaker 3: morning and we're like good morning, you know, Like it's
Speaker 3: really there's like always these two older moms, older grandma's
Speaker 3: like out gossiping together in Spanish.
Speaker 1: We're always like hi, like you know.
Speaker 2: It's cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the West Village, like there's Ben's pizza, Like we
Speaker 2: always say hi to each other now and it just
Speaker 2: feels cool to be like, what up to the pizza guy. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's wild. And then there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people on the streets in the West Village and
Speaker 2: they're part of the community as well, so like Tony hoods,
Speaker 2: who you Golf's milk cart and things like we acknowledge
Speaker 2: each other every time we see each other.
Speaker 3: And forget after I left New York, they saw my
Speaker 3: sister at my bodega and they're like, where's your sister?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Guys. Anyways, so they only live a block away the
Speaker 2: crossing guard reiterates that, and then the mom comes running
Speaker 2: with Craigan and blames the crossing guard. Immediately, you were
Speaker 2: right there. Why didn't you stop it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Why don't you pick up your kid from school? I mean,
Speaker 2: how far back do we want to go with the
Speaker 2: blame game?
Speaker 3: Bit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cregan takes her away like it's no one's fault.
Speaker 2: Then they get a recent photo of the girl. Ambroler
Speaker 2: is put out on the car and they ask where
Speaker 2: the dad is and he manages a Manhattan Liberty bank.
Speaker 1: Finn runs in.
Speaker 2: The van has been found three blocks away, and they
Speaker 2: heard someone inside the cars where the detectives run.
Speaker 1: We're all there.
Speaker 2: A man screams, don't shoot, don't shoot. He begs not
Speaker 2: to be killed. He is homeless and he just wanted
Speaker 2: to get warm, and he doesn't know any girl. Then
Speaker 2: we see a puddle of blood. The mom runs up,
Speaker 2: is that blood? What do they do to my baby?
Speaker 2: And it's a close up on the blood, then a
Speaker 2: close up of Stabler looking at the blood, and then credits.
Speaker 2: Stabler is getting missus Hunter out of the car and
Speaker 2: being like, stay strong, stay positive, and she goes look
Speaker 2: like a lot of blood and he's like, it might
Speaker 2: not even be your daughters, and it's like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: there was a butcher shop in there. They enter the
Speaker 2: building of her home and her husband is there, Jay Hunter,
Speaker 2: and he's played by a man named Tom Verica, and
Speaker 2: he's the foot doctor in Seinfeld that Alane dates. So
Speaker 2: if you're like, yeah, he looks familiar, he's in the Seinfeld.
Speaker 3: And I sink I looked up Tom Verica and he
Speaker 3: doesn't act anymore. But he is a producer on Bridgerton.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, bro, yeah get that. So yeah, he's a
Speaker 3: multi hyphen it they call him. And he's an executive
Speaker 3: producer on Bridgerton. I think, yeah, he was like a
Speaker 3: regular on How To Get Away with Murder and maybe
Speaker 3: the pandemic freaked him out. But he just beas like
Speaker 3: an ep on on a Bridgerton and doesn't act anymore,
Speaker 3: at least not in the last five years.
Speaker 1: I never watched that, but maybe I should.
Speaker 2: But also that man like fumble his bag so hugely,
Speaker 2: or maybe he's working, but you know the guy who
Speaker 2: left up for the first season, he's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do other stuff and then never really to be seen again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't get that right.
Speaker 3: On page Yeah. I think it's like he hosted SNL
Speaker 3: and was like, I'm big, bye.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Shonda Rymes is pretty big too. So they go to
Speaker 2: talk to Carly's dad. Munch takes the mom up to
Speaker 2: the apartment and the chat so Jake and Stabler the
Speaker 2: van was stolen last night and they're looking for forensic
Speaker 2: evidence to give some clues. The dad asks if he
Speaker 2: is a pedophile, and he's stressed about this, and Stabler
Speaker 2: is like, don't let those images get into your head.
Speaker 2: And then but I mean, if a van snatches a kid,
Speaker 2: we're assuming peedo. Also being in London, like the way
Speaker 2: they say pedo file is so much more funny. It's
Speaker 2: so much sillier and they say urinal and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you guys are just so whimsical.
Speaker 1: He's such a pedo.
Speaker 2: Craigan comes in and wants a word with Stabler, so
Speaker 2: the dad goes to meet his wife upstairs, and then
Speaker 2: a parole guy thinks one of his people who is
Speaker 2: a pedo, was seen outside of Carly's school. Let's pick
Speaker 2: him up. So they go pick up Joel mad and
Speaker 2: the parole guy is the best. His name is Joe
Speaker 2: Lacy and he's played the parole this Pearl Die Log.
Speaker 2: The parole Guy's name is Craig Lennon. He's in three
Speaker 2: episodes as this guy and then in a season one
Speaker 2: episode Hysteria as someone else. But I always love when
Speaker 2: I see him, and I love how down he is
Speaker 2: to work with, fit and just. He's just down to
Speaker 2: fuck up some paroles, which we're against. We want rehabilitation
Speaker 2: and people to enter society. But in SVU love this guy.
Speaker 2: So they're swishing fast down the hall. And this dude
Speaker 2: was found guilty of molesting his two nieces and the
Speaker 2: girl next door. He did nine years at sing sing
Speaker 2: so Joel Mayner Knock, knock, knock, so Yella's name. They
Speaker 2: go like open the door, nowse and then they hear
Speaker 2: someone's in there, so they kick down the door.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah.
Speaker 2: And he's going on the fire escape, going up the stairs,
Speaker 2: big patio, outdoor, terrace, vibes in this building, giant chase.
Speaker 1: He's cornered. It's a long way down. What will he do?
Speaker 2: So he jumps, He hangs off for a moment of
Speaker 2: the building across, but then he falls into the attraction.
Speaker 2: He is dead, so we but he's a pedophile, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't care, you know what I mean, Like, nine
Speaker 2: years isn't enough.
Speaker 1: You molested three girls, two that were your nieces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nine years, honey. I'm glad you're dad. I don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck, but I'm against the death penalty.
Speaker 3: But if it happens because you think you can jump
Speaker 3: from building to building, I'm really not gonna like cry
Speaker 3: over it, you know, like I know, okay, think you're
Speaker 3: Spider Man and you're not. But so like bye bye
Speaker 3: pit paedophile by p do.
Speaker 2: So now we get to search the pedos house though,
Speaker 2: and yeah, pedo pedo, what do you guys prefer?
Speaker 1: Link in the comments below? JK, we have no links.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, hopefully there's a clue to Carly. Here we find
Speaker 2: a laptop and it's a lot of photos of young girls,
Speaker 2: but none of them are Carly. There's a password protected journal.
Speaker 2: But Joel de la Fuente aka Taru aka Ruby Morales,
Speaker 2: he's he's quick. He gets in there and this guy
Speaker 2: was like pining over some child. It's dated today. Stabler goes,
Speaker 2: I really don't think it's this guy, and then we
Speaker 2: get news from Warner that the only blood they found
Speaker 2: in the van was Carly's and no one else is,
Speaker 2: so like, I don't know if this guy's the purple
Speaker 2: or not. But we found out because of the type
Speaker 2: of blood. This is from Warner that it was a nosebleed,
Speaker 2: not an injury. But that's not good news or good news.
Speaker 2: But we find out that this curl has leukemia.
Speaker 3: But also it's like a puddle of blood on the
Speaker 3: bottom of this van.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a nosebleed.
Speaker 2: Gosh like that.
Speaker 3: But okay, you're so much fucking blood on the thing.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, but yes, we needed to get
Speaker 3: to this blood because we have.
Speaker 2: The bad news. No, you're so right, lol, Okay, but
Speaker 2: she has leukemia, thank god. From Warner this is a bummer,
Speaker 2: but too many white blood cells and she needs treatment
Speaker 2: for survival asap. And this could be the first blast crisis.
Speaker 2: So symptoms of the flu, so parents might not even
Speaker 2: know she just might have flu symptoms, but it is leukemia.
Speaker 2: So stablers like, we need to find Carly, and Melinda
Speaker 2: is gonna go see the family the Hunters and like
Speaker 2: let them know that their daughter is sick. So Jake
Speaker 2: and Pamela are with Melinda in the apartment and fills
Speaker 2: them in on the disease and the mom goes, fuck,
Speaker 2: my daughter has been tired for the past six weeks,
Speaker 2: but she just thought she didn't want to go to
Speaker 2: school six weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your daughter, at least get her checked for mono
Speaker 3: or something like.
Speaker 1: Come on, you think for.
Speaker 2: Six and if she if if she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: go to school, this bad.
Speaker 1: Maybe something is something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to not do anything for six weeks and we'll
Speaker 2: learn more about this woman. So we need her back
Speaker 2: asap because you know, she has a few days or
Speaker 2: a week before this leukemia is gonna get out of control.
Speaker 2: Since the mom ignored her daughter for her six weeks,
Speaker 2: I feel whatever, listen to your fucking kids. So when
Speaker 2: Molina goes, you know, we gotta like get her back.
Speaker 2: We have like a few days to a week. The
Speaker 2: mom goes a week, then the phone rings, the dad
Speaker 2: gets it. Melinda reassures the mom, and then the dad's
Speaker 2: like hello, hello, hello, puts it on speakerphone. It's a
Speaker 2: voice changer. Wait, and the guy goes, wait for instructions.
Speaker 2: We have your daughter. If you call the police will
Speaker 2: kill her dial tone, so now dramatic music. Melinda's thinking.
Speaker 2: The mom flips out, why isn't he calling back? It's
Speaker 2: been hours, so it's like a time lapse. It's dark outside. Okay.
Speaker 2: So Melinda's so smart and says, these people want money
Speaker 2: and the only way to get money is to contact you,
Speaker 2: so they will contact you again. But I do think
Speaker 2: we need to get stabler. Dad says absolutely not. I'm
Speaker 2: not chancing with my daughter's life. Melinda goes, this is dangerous.
Speaker 2: He goes, if the cops are so smart, why didn't
Speaker 2: they tap our phones? And she's like, because we thought
Speaker 2: we were dealing with a pedophile and not a ransom case.
Speaker 2: Like fuck off, but also fuck the police.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Life is too complicated and I don't want to live
Speaker 2: like this anymore. So he says, if we give money,
Speaker 2: we will get Carly back, and Melinda disagrees, but he goes,
Speaker 2: my daughter, my choice. The phone rings, the answer and
Speaker 2: speaker and we hear the voice scouy, I told you
Speaker 2: not to call the cops. Who is that woman they
Speaker 2: are being watched? They say she's a doctor. Melinda goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: she has leukemia. He goes you think I'm stupid and
Speaker 2: basically kind of a smart movie goes explain it to me,
Speaker 2: like I'm a doctor and you're a doctor.
Speaker 1: Prove it. She schools this ass.
Speaker 2: It's like so sexy, details, details, details, big words, and
Speaker 2: she needs to be hospitalized asap. It makes them silent
Speaker 2: and he goes. Nobody else can come in. We're watching,
Speaker 2: and then mister Hunter, leave now, and you better come
Speaker 2: back with three hundred thousand dollars. You have till eight
Speaker 2: pm or your daughter dies. Melinda coaches the mom to
Speaker 2: ask to talk to Carly. We do hear Carly's voice.
Speaker 2: She's alive, and the dad goes to the bank. Melinda
Speaker 2: asks for the bathroom, and we know we know what
Speaker 2: she's gonna do, but the mom stands alone in the
Speaker 2: living room, contemplating her complicated life, and Melinda calls the cops. Obviously,
Speaker 2: so now Stable and Finn are dresses delivery people. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: It's a giant refrigerator box, jumpsuits, hats. They enter with
Speaker 2: a fridge and she explains the safeful like zones of
Speaker 2: the apartment, which rooms can be seen from outside and
Speaker 2: not and out of the box hops out Joel de
Speaker 2: la Fuente and another person. The mom is flipping out.
Speaker 2: Stabler shushes her and he says, we're sweeping for bugs.
Speaker 1: I am like, just loves good police work.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Melinda keeps a censor under her shirt and
Speaker 2: walks around and the fit so Finn and the other
Speaker 2: man they leave, and Stablor goes seats to come in
Speaker 2: to come out, like, we're good, so smart, so fun.
Speaker 2: Ocean's eleven and as long as they stay in the kitchen,
Speaker 2: no one's gonna know they're there. The mom is not trusting,
Speaker 2: but Melinda and Stabler don't give a fuck, and they
Speaker 2: start whispering to each other. Each call was made from
Speaker 2: a prepaid cell phone that was just used once and
Speaker 2: then thrown out, so this person is very paranoid. Jake's back,
Speaker 2: he has the cash and he sees Stabler and his pissed,
Speaker 2: but they calm him down and they wait for the call.
Speaker 1: It's dark.
Speaker 2: She's never stayed away from home before, and Stabler goes,
Speaker 2: this wasn't random, Like someone chose Carly and they're targeting you.
Speaker 2: They know your name, number, where you live, you have money.
Speaker 2: He goes, I'm just a bank manager, Like I don't
Speaker 2: have like wealth. So Stabler asks, like, has anyone threatened?
Speaker 2: You are very angry, and the dad's getting a little annoyed,
Speaker 2: Like if I knew who took her, I would say something.
Speaker 2: I want my daughter back. Ring ring fax machine turns on.
Speaker 2: It's in his office. It says, go to the garage, now,
Speaker 2: put money in the trunk. Ninety eighth and west end,
Speaker 2: cell phone and back in dumpster. Find it, press redial
Speaker 2: and we'll tell you where to drive. The doc brings
Speaker 2: the money alone. Stanlor doesn't want her to go alone.
Speaker 2: She says she can handle herself. Okay, this is a
Speaker 2: really cool scene. So then he says, no offense. But
Speaker 2: med school doesn't exactly prepare you for this, She snaps back,
Speaker 2: the Air Force did they paid for medical school? I
Speaker 2: did two tours in Ramstein during desert storm? Like that right,
Speaker 2: sounds like a heavy metal band. How many seasons has
Speaker 2: Warner been on you? Guys don't know she was in
Speaker 2: the military, Like, I feel like they know each other.
Speaker 2: I know, but I think it's a classic man shit.
Speaker 2: I think it's like I think people that work with me, like,
Speaker 2: I think this is like a classic.
Speaker 1: Experience that I bet a lot of people.
Speaker 2: In a workforce experience of like yeah, yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: the heat of the moment. But you're right, Stabler should
Speaker 2: know that she's a badass. In the military. They like
Speaker 2: work very closely together. But she says, I know how
Speaker 2: to handle myself with men with guns. He takes his
Speaker 2: ankle gun gives it to her. She says it'll be okay.
Speaker 2: Not sure if she takes the gun or not, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know, but Melinda is. I am assuming she
Speaker 2: takes the gun. Melinda's driving and doing the damn thing.
Speaker 2: She She finds the phone, she read aals, She heads
Speaker 2: down the river, down the west Side Highway. She enters
Speaker 2: some warehouse like style peers and then when she gets
Speaker 2: so she you know, goes to the trunk. She opens
Speaker 2: the trunk. There's a bag of money and who else
Speaker 2: what else? Stabler, he's in the trunk. Oh, and I
Speaker 2: love it. I love it a lot of So a
Speaker 2: man in a mask pulls up, lights flash on, and
Speaker 2: you know, Melinda, he gets out.
Speaker 1: He tells her to walk.
Speaker 2: She goes, not till I see Carly, and he says,
Speaker 2: do what I say, and she walks forward. He says
Speaker 2: stop and the guy says, sit up, and Carle pops up.
Speaker 2: She looks scared, and she looks disheveled. She definitely my stuff.
Speaker 2: Luky me like she's tired the mom to see her kid.
Speaker 2: I mean she's also been kidnapped, but like she does
Speaker 2: look tired and disheveled. I feel like the mom should
Speaker 2: have done something for six weeks. Yeah, rag a muffin.
Speaker 2: So he says, put the money down, YadA YadA. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then she puts it down but won't go back.
Speaker 2: He says, are you deaf? Go back to the car.
Speaker 2: She says, no, not without the girl. Look, you got
Speaker 2: your money, Just let me take her home.
Speaker 1: And she is so cute. She tells Carl to come out.
Speaker 2: She starts to get out of the car, and then
Speaker 2: a security guard enters. Fuck and he yells like private property,
Speaker 2: no trustpassing. So then the mass guy, you know, the
Speaker 2: ransom guy, tells Carl to get back in the car.
Speaker 2: Carly screams, Stabler pops out of the trunk. Melinda runs
Speaker 2: after the car. She falls down. Stabler shoots at the car,
Speaker 2: but it drives off. And also there's a girl in
Speaker 2: the car, and I can't believe you're just shooting at
Speaker 2: a car like that. Fuck, Carly has gone security guard.
Speaker 2: Boned us is the words that Stabler uses to fill
Speaker 2: in Kragan. And now he's like, well, now he knows
Speaker 2: the cops are involved, he can cut his losses and
Speaker 2: kill Carly. Now this sucks. Melinda goes, no, it's too
Speaker 2: much money. He's not gonna do it. He wants the money.
Speaker 2: He didn't take the money. That's crazy, that's so crazy.
Speaker 2: So ohhalleran sexy sexy csu comes in and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I forgot your name, but I wrote sexy sexy next
Speaker 2: to you. So I feel like that's a that's a wind.
Speaker 2: He understands, and I've seen him socially. I've seen him socially.
Speaker 2: He's out and about. He's hot as fuck and thrilled, thrilled.
Speaker 2: I remember he was one of our first cast members.
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 2: I guess we get excited with every cast member, no
Speaker 2: matter how many years it goes by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do.
Speaker 2: He found sodium chloride in the tires or something or
Speaker 2: left behind in the tracks. I really don't give a fuck,
Speaker 2: thank you. He goes, it's from rock salt for melting ice.
Speaker 2: But there was so much he didn't just drive through it,
Speaker 2: he was like parked in it. This is such a
Speaker 2: funny stretch, Like I don't know how they even came
Speaker 2: up with this, But they go, maybe there's a rock
Speaker 2: salt factory. I mean, that's where he's been hiding out.
Speaker 2: So Stabler goes, we need to tell Carly's parents what happened. Therapists. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the dad's yelling. Stabler takes the dad away and Melinda
Speaker 2: stays with the mom and he's like, we're not dealing
Speaker 2: with a pro here, and the dad goes, well, how
Speaker 2: do you know that? And Stable explains a pro wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been rattled by a rental cop. He would have
Speaker 2: made sure to take the money. It would have been
Speaker 2: a clean getaway. So like, and it's no one's saying
Speaker 2: I think a Stable goes, do you have something to
Speaker 2: tell me? And Salor turns around to make sure the
Speaker 2: mom's not listening. He's like, affair like gambling, what's going on?
Speaker 2: And then he goes like, could your wife be mad
Speaker 2: at you for something and trying to fuck you over?
Speaker 2: But I don't think the mom would like risk her
Speaker 2: daughter's life like this. But we've seen it before where
Speaker 2: parents do. So who knows the dad. We know a
Speaker 2: lot of parents. I don't think this mom would at
Speaker 2: this moment in time, because she does seem very panicked.
Speaker 2: Dad asks what now, Stabler goes, well, we go after him.
Speaker 2: There's two leads. We have forensic evidence from the warehouse
Speaker 2: and we have this ransom note. So now we're at
Speaker 2: with Taro Craigan and Ruben Morales are going through evidence
Speaker 2: and the facts location in his masked but Reuben thinks
Speaker 2: he could still track it with a secret code. So
Speaker 2: on the secret Service database he can look up a
Speaker 2: code and find his location through the ink. I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't the rock Salt the ink, the I can't
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 3: Am?
Speaker 1: I am? I the only one that's upset.
Speaker 2: There's codes put into the ink, and through the ink
Speaker 2: and a secret service database he could find the location
Speaker 2: of where the thing was printed and then earlier it's
Speaker 2: like the rock salt factory.
Speaker 1: Like these are just so preposterous.
Speaker 3: I thought the ink put it to a certain place,
Speaker 3: and then the rock salt factories nearby.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm not saying uh like to me. I'm
Speaker 2: combining them because they're just so outward crazy dots I've
Speaker 2: never heard of that in my life. Like, what, like,
Speaker 2: there's a signature within the ink? What the fuck are
Speaker 2: you talking about? We're being we're being surveilled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on printing stuff. Let's get a munch back
Speaker 3: in here. I don't have munch in this episode, being like,
Speaker 3: look up from the paper.
Speaker 1: Well, funny, you should say that, where's Marishka. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen that yet? Pregnant?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's why there's a couple of season seven
Speaker 3: is like she's pret because that's why she's is. She
Speaker 3: appears later and she's holding a folder in front of
Speaker 3: her classic folder in front of the stomach.
Speaker 1: I knew you would know.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you clocked that. That's so funny. God, I
Speaker 2: love everything. So okay, we have the location. It's eighty
Speaker 2: sixth the Broadway. It's a coffee shop. That's where a
Speaker 2: printed it. Stabler starts to make circles on a map.
Speaker 2: Right the coffee shop, Karly's school, the Hunter apartment, the
Speaker 2: van where it was stolen, the ransom drop. It's all
Speaker 2: down the west Side and it's in a one mile stretch,
Speaker 2: so it's a safe zone. So she must be around
Speaker 2: here in his comfort place. So now Doyle is there
Speaker 2: is like there's a rock salt factory in that mile
Speaker 2: and it's went out of business. So they go to
Speaker 2: the storage of the rock salt factory that's been abandoned
Speaker 2: on fifty eighth in the Hudson and so Craigan and
Speaker 2: Stable run it. They go through a fence, no sign
Speaker 2: of a car but maybe inside. So watching Craigan run
Speaker 2: is so funny. We do not see him run a lot.
Speaker 2: He's usually not on the scene, and he runs very
Speaker 2: very funny. I don't know if you clocked it, but
Speaker 2: he's he's not swinging his arms in the way he should.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just was cute and I just love Dan Florick.
Speaker 2: So it's a big vacant space. But there's a new
Speaker 2: padlock on this like super old looking place. So they
Speaker 2: break it down and there's evidence of Carly's sneaker and
Speaker 2: then they pull it up and it's her full body.
Speaker 2: She's alive, thank god, she's unconscious, but there's a pulse.
Speaker 2: He fucking drugged her with cough syrup. So she made
Speaker 2: her drink a bunch of cough syrup and let her
Speaker 2: lay there, And so they got to get her to
Speaker 2: the hospital. The doctor that receives her is the surfer guy.
Speaker 2: We're talking blonde highlights and he has a lot of facts.
Speaker 2: So treated for hypothermia and an overdose. She's gonna sleep
Speaker 2: overnight and then we're gonna start key in the morning.
Speaker 1: I mean, this girl, what.
Speaker 3: Breaks another club? Another club with therapy, like it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Stabler seems proud.
Speaker 2: The dad looks at Stabler and nods, and Stabler nods back,
Speaker 2: and so Stabler and Denim and Leather walks into the office.
Speaker 2: Benson is walking out. This is the folder scene. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming I didn't notice that. Congrats, she said, I heard
Speaker 2: you found Carly. But you know, Stabler's not satisfied. The
Speaker 2: guy's still out there. She's confused why he's not leaving.
Speaker 2: She's going home, but he's like, I have to grab
Speaker 2: something from the locker. She says good night, but truly
Speaker 2: is puzzled, like she's staring at him pretty intensely. He
Speaker 2: goes into the crib with all the beds. So is
Speaker 2: this separation, Stabler? Because is this right? Before Blonde curls like,
Speaker 2: what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Wait? Because why in the crib?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's like lays down, lays on his back,
Speaker 2: head on pillow, and you know, in his clothes.
Speaker 1: He didn't even take off his leather jacket.
Speaker 3: Connie Nielsen comes in in season eight, So I do
Speaker 3: think that season seven they're setting up the problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she knew something.
Speaker 2: He's sleeping at the precinct because it's not we have
Speaker 2: work to do sleep. It's I'm thinking about life sleep,
Speaker 2: you know what. I It's not like I got to
Speaker 2: catch the guy, because sometimes they have that too, but
Speaker 2: we do analyze their sleeps. Okay, so we're at Mercy Hospital.
Speaker 2: It's the mom and Carly's tabler's in a suit. Now,
Speaker 2: where was that in his locker? Did he go home?
Speaker 2: Did he shower after she took the kids to school?
Speaker 2: I have questions? She thanks him for finding the daughter.
Speaker 2: He needs to ask her some questions on who did this?
Speaker 2: Like did you ever see the face of the man
Speaker 2: who took you? He's like talking to the girl. She says, no,
Speaker 2: he always had the mask on and I was super
Speaker 2: sleepy though I couldn't keep my eyes open. It's like, yeah, honey,
Speaker 2: you've had leukemia for two months.
Speaker 1: Fuck fucked. Yeah, I've been really sleepy lately.
Speaker 3: And when you add like a bottle of adult cough syrup, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty pretty knackered crazy.
Speaker 2: She says he was nice, he didn't yell, and he
Speaker 2: made choco fizzies.
Speaker 1: That's not a common thing. What's going on? The mom
Speaker 1: cuts in.
Speaker 2: She goes, when Carly was little, she hated milk, So
Speaker 2: they miss chocolate syrup and seltzer together and you know,
Speaker 2: they giggle and Carly says, my brother called it a
Speaker 2: choco fizzy. Stabler goes, oh, really, and the mom realizes
Speaker 2: that the information is probably implicating that her first she
Speaker 2: has another child. She's not mentioned and he must be
Speaker 2: involved because not everyone's having choco fizzies. But also does
Speaker 2: that mean she didn't recognize it was her brother this
Speaker 2: whole time? But she is a very small girl, and
Speaker 2: there I guess there was a voice changer. So then
Speaker 2: Stabler brings the mom up and like takes her away
Speaker 2: from the hospital bed.
Speaker 1: Maybe her child needs a n app.
Speaker 2: She's going through chemo actively right now, and Stabler asks
Speaker 2: her if she has another child, and she says, Daniel,
Speaker 2: he's twenty three, but we haven't seen him in five years,
Speaker 2: and so Stabler is like, why wouldn't you mention him?
Speaker 2: And the mom is fuming, Oh my god, he did this.
Speaker 2: He took Carly. As sailor goes, why would you? Why
Speaker 2: would that happen? And the mom goes, cause he's a cokehead.
Speaker 2: It was, and it was giving coke head. There's a
Speaker 2: bag under the thing, there's a thing, we're going over here,
Speaker 2: the paranoia, the stair, you know, it's like so funny
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: He said, this is coke d behavior. She said.
Speaker 2: We tried everything, boot camp, rehab, counseling. Nothing worked. So basically,
Speaker 2: when Carly was three, went into his bedroom, found a stash,
Speaker 2: and she walked in right as Carly was putting drugs
Speaker 2: in her mouth. She says he almost killed his sister.
Speaker 2: He was so high and he didn't fucking care. So
Speaker 2: she knew Carly wasn't gonna be safe.
Speaker 1: Daniel.
Speaker 2: This is what she says. And we can talk about this.
Speaker 2: Daniel was eighteen. They cut him out of their lives.
Speaker 2: They go, he's eighteen, it's up to him. We we
Speaker 2: did everything we could. He wasn't gonna get better. And
Speaker 2: the last time I talked was the day he left
Speaker 2: now because I'm thinking about breaking bad and like Jungle
Speaker 2: Fever and certain movies, and it's like, yeah, if someone's
Speaker 2: in their twenties thirty, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1: You've done enough.
Speaker 2: You're enabling if you help them, like they they're ruining
Speaker 2: our lives, they've been robbing you.
Speaker 1: You have to kick him out.
Speaker 2: Eighteen to me is really young to give up on
Speaker 2: your kid and never speak to him again. He ran
Speaker 2: away from rehab once, like put him back, get him arrested,
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand, and I and now I understand
Speaker 2: why she let her daughter of leukemia for months and
Speaker 2: didn't listen to her, Like this mom is bad, Like
Speaker 2: addiction does not mean you were bad at parenting, but
Speaker 2: this woman is mm hmm, what.
Speaker 3: Are your thoughts? No, I thought the same, really harsh.
Speaker 3: You could say. You could say I can't have you
Speaker 3: in the house because you are physically a danger to
Speaker 3: our other child, but like, we're gonna get you into
Speaker 3: a program. We're gonna do this, Like I know that
Speaker 3: doesn't always work, but it's not like you're eighteen out
Speaker 3: of the house. And she says, I never saw him
Speaker 3: since the day he left. What you never checked on him, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know how that's Honestly, the whole episode, I
Speaker 3: kept thinking, oh, she's he's just the dad's son, like
Speaker 3: he's the dad's son from a previous relationship. Because the
Speaker 3: way the mom is acting, I don't know how you
Speaker 3: could fucking do that like eighteen, Like I'm not I
Speaker 3: totally get you have a three year old in the
Speaker 3: house that you have to protect, but like there are programs,
Speaker 3: there are like you could send him to live with
Speaker 3: a relative. You guys like seem like you were able
Speaker 3: to get three hundred k for the ransom, so you've
Speaker 3: got like you've got resources, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're out, you're eighteen.
Speaker 2: That's it, goodbye, Like I don't know. That's so crazy
Speaker 2: to me. Because I was being judgmental about the Leukemian.
Speaker 2: Then I was like, oh, I guess if you're really poor,
Speaker 2: like you can't go to doctor's appointments, like you wouldn't
Speaker 2: put it all together. You might be working a few
Speaker 2: jobs and you might not even notice so like you
Speaker 2: need the kid at school or whatever, Like I was saying,
Speaker 2: Then I go, but these people do have money. They
Speaker 2: live in a nice building, like they have insurance. He's
Speaker 2: the bank manager. Like, yeah, it is, you have so
Speaker 2: much to give to your kids. But I don't think
Speaker 2: she sees children. I don't think this is someone that
Speaker 2: should not have been a parent. I do not like her.
Speaker 2: I don't like her coldness. I don't think she lives
Speaker 2: because obviously your son is screaming for help.
Speaker 1: He's a team cokehead.
Speaker 3: But I think that's like a lot of people have
Speaker 3: this thing that's like you're choosing to do drugs, stop
Speaker 3: doing drugs, and it's like that's not addiction, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's a fundamental misunderstanding of it what addiction is.
Speaker 2: And like, I don't know. I feel like.
Speaker 3: I hear what Yeah, like what you said, Like yes,
Speaker 3: of course you can get people tens and twenties of
Speaker 3: chances or whatever, and then at a certain point you're
Speaker 3: enabling eighteen, like barely an adult, Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: And there was a lot more they.
Speaker 1: Could have done for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the way she evens phrased it, I wish
Speaker 2: I like was more exact in the way I wrote it,
Speaker 2: but it was like, well, he was eighteen, we had
Speaker 2: done what we could and it was a lost cause.
Speaker 3: He wasn't going to get better, Like, how do you
Speaker 3: know he's not a sixty five year old cooked?
Speaker 2: You know? Has he ran away once from rehab? Yeah,
Speaker 2: some people usually have to go to rehab.
Speaker 3: Like I think nine times that sounds a lot like
Speaker 3: this is hard. And now I have another kid who
Speaker 3: is I can start over with.
Speaker 2: And because I'm thinking about euphoria another because I'm not
Speaker 2: you know afoura where it's like the mom had to
Speaker 2: be tough and off like rough with her, but it's
Speaker 2: still your child.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot like she is.
Speaker 2: Not for me. So anyways, so yeah, she doesn't talked
Speaker 2: to him. He wasn't going to get better by it. Okay,
Speaker 2: So she says, you may think I'm cold. Yeah we did.
Speaker 2: But I love my son but I hate the junkie
Speaker 2: he has become. But I cannot help him and I
Speaker 2: cannot make him better. Oh I did write it exact. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm really good at this. Okay. So Stabler asks where
Speaker 2: her husband is, and he's at work at the bank.
Speaker 2: So Melinda walks in as the mom goes back to Cary,
Speaker 2: and Stabler's like, what's up? What?
Speaker 1: Hey? Can we talk?
Speaker 2: What do you know about family is an addiction, and
Speaker 2: she goes, actually, I did a rotation at a methadone clinic.
Speaker 1: She's done it all. He says, I might need your help.
Speaker 2: So they go to the bank and they bring up
Speaker 2: Daniel and they say he might be involved, and the
Speaker 2: dad says, you're wrong, and they're like, well, we know
Speaker 2: about the addiction. He leads them to his office. He goes,
Speaker 2: he's a good kid. Drugs fucked him up. He wouldn't
Speaker 2: hurt his sister. And it's like, well, he actually drugged
Speaker 2: her and left her in an abandoned rock salt factory
Speaker 2: in a pad locked the rooms she was in after
Speaker 2: giving her a bottle of Clough syrups. So I guess
Speaker 2: he would, I guess he would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like he left her on the ground
Speaker 3: underneath a bunch of trash, like you know, like for
Speaker 3: your little sister. Couldn't have drugged her and left her
Speaker 3: like propped up on something like I don't know.
Speaker 2: His family has so many secrets. It's really so dysfunctional.
Speaker 2: So Melinda says, cocaine changes people, and he goes, listen, yeah,
Speaker 2: I still talk to my son. My wife doesn't know.
Speaker 2: She like, I just couldn't cut him off. I couldn't
Speaker 2: do it. It's still my son. But the last time
Speaker 2: we talked to him, and it's like, so crazy.
Speaker 3: You're just married to somebody that doesn't match your level
Speaker 3: of empathy at all.
Speaker 1: That's so weird, Like that's strange.
Speaker 3: To me that you're like, we're just gonna keep going
Speaker 3: on with our life and we're happily married, but she
Speaker 3: wants to cut off a full person that we made
Speaker 3: and raised, Like it's I don't know whatever.
Speaker 2: He says he was in trouble, sounded scared and asked
Speaker 2: for the money, but it was too much money. So
Speaker 2: like his wife would find out, he couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: He says, it's all my fault. Suddenly we hear full
Speaker 2: machine gun shots bam bam, like ten shots are fired.
Speaker 2: It's a bank robbery. It's the same mask. It's his son,
Speaker 2: So what's that mask for? What's that mask for? In
Speaker 2: real life?
Speaker 3: It's just a terrifying clear mask, Like what's that for?
Speaker 3: Is that a coffee?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? It's like the movie Strangers,
Speaker 2: which you probably haven't seen.
Speaker 3: I've seen. I think I've seen the cover of it.
Speaker 3: But like I don't know, like that, or it's the purge.
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of mass this is, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it's for crimes and scary Halloween.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's I don't know.
Speaker 2: Stabler asks Melinda if she has her PDA, which confused me.
Speaker 2: But Melinda takes out a phone or a walkie or
Speaker 2: like some sort of I think PDAs are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like pom pilots. Yeah, like whatever. She gets Craigan over there.
Speaker 2: He screams, everyone on the ground. His dad's not getting
Speaker 2: on the ground. The guy keeps screaming behind the mask.
Speaker 2: The dad continues to stand and says Daniel, So now
Speaker 2: he removes his mask. Everyone knows who he was. He
Speaker 2: is drugged up, he is sweaty, yeah yeah, and there's
Speaker 2: a baby crying. It's such a busy bank. It's like
Speaker 2: a cartoon, Like I don't think banks are this busy.
Speaker 2: Maybe Friday's at five pm before cell phones were invented.
Speaker 2: So he's pointing a gun at the dad, who asks,
Speaker 2: are you really gonna shoot me?
Speaker 1: Maybe? I mean this guy's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the dad gets on the ground and he's
Speaker 2: stressed out of course, and then Daniel does not know
Speaker 2: that Stabler and Melinda are here. Sailor's crawl ass up?
Speaker 2: Okay with the guy he is? The cakes are in
Speaker 2: the air. He's like Spider Man crawling. It's really funny.
Speaker 2: He's like in a Discovery Zone jungle gym. It's silly.
Speaker 2: So then Stabler finally stands up and to shoot the robber,
Speaker 2: and the dad sees Stabler about to shoot his child
Speaker 2: and screams, don't shoot and shoves Stabler down. Daniel hears it,
Speaker 2: starts spraying bullets. Stabler lunges out of the way. Daniel
Speaker 2: asks who the fuck is back there? So the dad
Speaker 2: gives up Warner and Stabler. Would you have stopped someone
Speaker 2: from shooting your bank robber coked up son who kidnapped
Speaker 2: her daughter?
Speaker 1: Or would you let him get shot?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a that's a game time. I
Speaker 3: feel like you're telling me it's like patience. She's twenty
Speaker 3: three and she is robbing a bake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I would do whatever I had to to
Speaker 1: save her life.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, Stabler should have tried to get a shot in,
Speaker 2: not next to the father of who she's trying to shoot.
Speaker 2: Melinda's so Melinda says, get me the gun, Daniel whatever.
Speaker 2: So he wants the cops out. He wants the gun
Speaker 2: on the floor, do it or I'll kill everyone. So
Speaker 2: he does the thing where the thing from the bottom
Speaker 2: flies out of the gun, and he does instead of
Speaker 2: purse first, the gun first, like he like, reach out
Speaker 2: of the doorway.
Speaker 3: Walk into the club, gun first, yeah, and then the
Speaker 3: bullet battery it falls out. So they both walk out.
Speaker 2: Stablor tries to talk to him, but he tells him
Speaker 2: to shut the fuck up. Melinda says, you're high. It's like,
Speaker 2: well yeah. He starts searching Stabler. The Dad's like, why
Speaker 2: are you doing this? He goes like, you don't know.
Speaker 2: I told you I needed money. They were going to
Speaker 2: kill me, and Stabley goes, who is going to kill you?
Speaker 2: He goes, I owe a lot of people money and
Speaker 2: if I don't pay them, I'm a dead man. And
Speaker 2: he's like, and you wouldn't help me because you don't
Speaker 2: care about And then the dad stands up and goes, yes,
Speaker 2: I do. And he says, you threw me on the
Speaker 2: street and I had nowhere to go, And the dad
Speaker 2: gets stern, you went to rehab and you ran away
Speaker 2: and then the son goes, you only care about Carly,
Speaker 2: and then you know whatever, he's screaming for the woman
Speaker 2: that went to the vault to get more money. She's like, hurry,
Speaker 2: hurry up. I don't know why didn't mention the vault earlier?
Speaker 2: You know, he wants money. So then he goes your
Speaker 2: mom and I love you very much, and he's like,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you help me? Like, why didn't you help me?
Speaker 2: So then the woman comes out from the vault with
Speaker 2: all the money. Stabler tries to communicate with Melinda with
Speaker 2: his eyes, but it's too late.
Speaker 1: He walks like.
Speaker 2: He grabs Stabler, a gun to Stabler's head and walks
Speaker 2: tries to walk him out.
Speaker 1: Now Daniel is stunned. He's a coke head.
Speaker 2: He doesn't realize there's about to be police cars, dozens
Speaker 2: of them, cops guns.
Speaker 1: This is a bank ruppery.
Speaker 2: Sue Kragan screams, hold your fire, hold your fire, but
Speaker 2: the dude's scared, so instead of water, he goes back inside.
Speaker 2: And then the security guard decides he wants to be
Speaker 2: a hero. He starts shooting. He shoots at Daniel, misses
Speaker 2: every single shot, so Daniel turns around to shoot him back.
Speaker 2: The security guard drops to the ground behind the desk.
Speaker 2: Daniel shoots his own father a bunch, So now there's
Speaker 2: blood everywhere. Melinda puts her bare hands on the pouring
Speaker 2: out blood over his heart and the dad is dying.
Speaker 2: So Craigan's in charge outside and like obviously everyone wants
Speaker 2: to like shoot everyone in there, and Craigan goes, please
Speaker 2: don't do them. So then he also calls this guy
Speaker 2: a scared kid. He is twenty three, he has so
Speaker 2: the other guy so funny. He goes, a kid, the
Speaker 2: guy you mean with a mac ten high on coke
Speaker 2: and a dozen hostages. Ha ha. So yeah, Craigan goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's in over his head. He's looking for a way out.
Speaker 2: Let's give him a way out. So Ruby Morales calls
Speaker 2: the bank.
Speaker 1: It rings.
Speaker 2: Stabler explains it's a negotiator, like tell him what you want,
Speaker 2: let's get you out of here. And he goes, I
Speaker 2: don't know what I want. It's like, well we'll figure
Speaker 2: it out together, just answer it. So he makes Stable
Speaker 2: answer the phone. Craigan announced himself and he goes, hey,
Speaker 2: it's dawn, and we don't hear that. A lot of
Speaker 2: like that, and will he let the hostages leave. Daniel
Speaker 2: says no, but like that that's his only leverage, and
Speaker 2: Stela goes, no, they're not gonna shoot you if they
Speaker 2: have me. I'm a cop, they're not gonna kill me. Like,
Speaker 2: let these other people out. As long as you have me,
Speaker 2: you're safe. So Daniel goes, okay, fine, so he lets
Speaker 2: everybody out, and also it's like, your father needs a doctor,
Speaker 2: but he goes, well, is the doctor doesn't matter? And
Speaker 2: Melinda goes, no, we need to get him to a hospital.
Speaker 2: And also I need an AIDS test. I fully put
Speaker 2: my full hand into his like wound what? And so
Speaker 2: Daniel thinks and looks at his bloody dad and is
Speaker 2: like final, let everyone else out. So Melinda and the
Speaker 2: vult girls start carrying the dad out, but he collapses
Speaker 2: and then a bunch of hostages are running out. Melinda
Speaker 2: says the dad lost too much blood. I can't move him,
Speaker 2: and so she's like so then Daniel's like, fuck, my dad,
Speaker 2: is he gonna die?
Speaker 1: And it's like you shot him?
Speaker 2: He says, dad, I didn't mean to do this, and
Speaker 2: he has his gun on Stabler during all of it.
Speaker 1: So everyone's out of the bank.
Speaker 2: The only people left in their warner bloody dad, stabler,
Speaker 2: gun son. Donna is on the call says, okay, how
Speaker 2: can we help Daniel? He responds, nobody can help me.
Speaker 2: I'm going to jail. I shot my dad. The dad goes,
Speaker 2: it's okay, son, it was an accident. They're both the
Speaker 2: worst parents of all time in every direction, and Daniel goes, Yep,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll like, let me just walk on out
Speaker 2: of here. What the fuck are you talking about? Melinda goes,
Speaker 2: you let all those people go. That's gonna count for something.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The dad starts coughing up blood Rooge style. So then
Speaker 2: Daniel asks what's happening to him? And then Melinda says,
Speaker 2: his lungs are collapsing. She takes off his coat and
Speaker 2: she does. Do you like the Sandra Bullock Melissa McCarthy
Speaker 2: movie The Heat Love? I love when she tries to
Speaker 2: do this and it goes so wrong, Like that was
Speaker 2: to me such pure comedy, so shocking, so surprising, a
Speaker 2: scene that just like, I love it.
Speaker 1: I want to rewatch that movie.
Speaker 2: But here's you know, it's Melinda, but she just takes
Speaker 2: sharp scissors, fucking cuts into his skin. The prosthetics department
Speaker 2: did incredible work here, Like you really see the hole
Speaker 2: open up. She scissors it, puts like the pen tube
Speaker 2: into his lung, and Daniel screams, hurry up. She's cutting
Speaker 2: her dad open and putting a pen straw in his lung.
Speaker 1: Eye.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: So anyways, there's a thing in the in the wiki
Speaker 3: that like where people like to point out goofs, and
Speaker 3: they do say that when she puts the plastic tube in,
Speaker 3: she puts it in the wrong place, but whatever whatever.
Speaker 3: It also says that the machine dots. It says they
Speaker 3: do do dots, but there's no way that they could
Speaker 3: come through on a fax machine, so that that part's
Speaker 3: fakedo wrong. But it's like we didn't even know about
Speaker 3: the dots. Okay, we're still processing the dots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's also like with surgery, I get saving
Speaker 2: a life, like rules go out the window, but like
Speaker 2: it seems like cleanliness is very important and so it
Speaker 2: seems crazy to just like jab a scissor into a lung.
Speaker 2: But yes, well I didn't do two tours in Ramstein,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So anyways,
Speaker 2: Melinda is doing her job. She cuts them open. Everything's happening.
Speaker 2: It's really gross. He's grunting, but we need to get
Speaker 2: him to a hospital. Dad is bleeding everywhere out of
Speaker 2: his mouth, so he tries to apologize his dad. I
Speaker 2: would say, too late, but the dad's pretty supportive and goes,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be okay. Daniel sniffs a little bit because
Speaker 2: he is on cocaine and says yeah. So he turns
Speaker 2: around starts shooting out the bank doors, glass everywhere. He
Speaker 2: tells his mom, you know. He goes, tell mom, I
Speaker 2: love her, and he's trying to do suicide by cop.
Speaker 1: He's walking out, like shooting out.
Speaker 2: But guess what, Melinda has a gun shoots him from
Speaker 2: like behind to his leg. He falls down. The dad
Speaker 2: says no, and Stabler goes, Melinda just saved your fucking
Speaker 2: son's life, and so they arrest him. They take the
Speaker 2: dad to the hospital. The mom's on the scene. Rough
Speaker 2: week for the family. Son gets put in the back
Speaker 2: of the police car. The mom says, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to say to him. To Melinda and she says nothing.
Speaker 2: The mom walks away. She doesn't want to look at him.
Speaker 2: Stabler and Melinda have a moment, and he's like, are
Speaker 2: you gonna be okay? And she just says, I have
Speaker 2: to pick up my daughter from school. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: she just turns around. I'm sure they're going to make
Speaker 2: her see the work psychologist, but she walks off and
Speaker 2: she's just like puzzled and really confused. She has a
Speaker 2: lot of emotions on her face. And then Stabler watches
Speaker 2: her leave and that's stick wolf baby, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Fun episode, fun electric, cool.
Speaker 3: Episode and fun that when they were like listen, Ben's away,
Speaker 3: who can pinch hit a little bit? And it's like Melinda,
Speaker 3: let's give Hwang an episode, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like I like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, get a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I mean, yeah, let's see what happens. Tell
Speaker 2: me I know nothing. I know nothing. I don't know
Speaker 2: that seems like one. I'm not excited because I know death.
Speaker 2: But like, to me, this is one that's one of
Speaker 2: my favorites. Again, I can't believe the show is so
Speaker 2: good that I'm like, have we not done this? I
Speaker 2: love this so because we haven't done it, I assumed
Speaker 2: it wasn't even based on a crime, because I was like,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't we have done it?
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's based on two crimes. The first one
Speaker 3: is the bank robbery part of it. The North Hollywood shootout,
Speaker 3: is what this is based on. And I had not
Speaker 3: heard of this, And you know, I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: we're more in the the murder sexual assault like arena
Speaker 3: and not as much into like bank robberies, but this
Speaker 3: one is why. So on February twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 3: Larry Phillips Junior and Emil Mada sau Renu arrived at
Speaker 3: a Bank of America in North Hollywood. They set their watches,
Speaker 3: which they had sewn to the outside of a glove.
Speaker 1: They each had watches sewn on.
Speaker 3: They set their watches for eight minutes, which is how
Speaker 3: long they estimated it would take the police to arrive,
Speaker 3: which they figured out by monitoring police scanners prior to
Speaker 3: the robbery. And I'm sorry, I don't condone robbery, but
Speaker 3: I do love logistics, so I'm loving that they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: synchronized watches, let's do this.
Speaker 2: They both walk, but not even that watch sewn into
Speaker 2: the gloves.
Speaker 3: Sewn into the glove. Baby, they need to get a
Speaker 3: project runway. These two guys, speaking of Projeck runway. They
Speaker 3: walked into this bank, each wearing about forty pounds of
Speaker 3: homemade body armor, like we're talking bulletproof vests, but then
Speaker 3: other bulletproof stuff that they had like turned into shin guards,
Speaker 3: like all kinds of shit.
Speaker 2: Like they are a lot of they know each other.
Speaker 2: I wonder how they meet, Like how do the bank
Speaker 2: robbers meet? When do you bring it up? Like are
Speaker 2: you having beers and go do you want to do this?
Speaker 2: Or do they meet in the bank robbing circuit. That's
Speaker 2: why I love the movie The Minions because of the
Speaker 2: evil convention. I'm like, this gives me a lot of insight,
Speaker 2: Like this is how they're meeting. It makes sense. How
Speaker 2: were these guys meeting?
Speaker 3: No, honestly, I'm I don't know how they met each other.
Speaker 3: But they started robbing banks together in ninety three and
Speaker 3: banks and armored cars, so they were doing that, and
Speaker 3: I don't know what their friendship is, to be honest,
Speaker 3: but they found each other maybe yes, on a bank
Speaker 3: robbery thread on an old GeoCities blog or something. So
Speaker 3: they set the watches, they head in with forty pounds
Speaker 3: of body armor. Before they enter the bank, they took
Speaker 3: Fena barbital, which is a barbituate that was prescribed to
Speaker 3: Matasarayenu as a sedative, and they took that to calm
Speaker 3: their nerves.
Speaker 1: Why did I think it was a drag queen? That
Speaker 1: does make it? For Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, Pena barbital is a drag queens thing. She makes
Speaker 3: a lot of the wigs for Trixy and Katia. Yeah
Speaker 3: she I think Fena does wigs too.
Speaker 1: Ohh.
Speaker 2: Who's the one that was kind of gothic on the
Speaker 2: show and then like got kicked off? Layla, Leyla, that's
Speaker 2: one thing. Yeah, Layla does.
Speaker 3: Make up really well, I guess, I mean does for
Speaker 3: other people.
Speaker 1: I think she was good on the show, but.
Speaker 2: She got knocked out pretty quch Oh no, I think
Speaker 2: she went an Emmy for Bob Macopi's show.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Leayla's like very well respected.
Speaker 1: So wait, will you repeat that.
Speaker 2: I was so distracted by it being a drag queen
Speaker 2: that I forgot what like what you were saying.
Speaker 3: Basically, they both they took they took this phena barbital.
Speaker 3: They took a barbituate that one of them had a
Speaker 3: prescription to as a sedative, and they took it to
Speaker 3: calm their nerves, like so they could like be chill.
Speaker 1: Group is not coked out planned well.
Speaker 3: Toxicology reports later showed a fedrin and fennel propennolamine in
Speaker 3: Phillips's blood and fenytoin in Matsurayanu's blood.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even look these up, but.
Speaker 3: One is an anti convulsive treatment for epilepsy. Another is
Speaker 3: a decongestent and appetites of pressint. I do not know
Speaker 3: why these things are in the information about what they
Speaker 3: had in their systems. And then a fedrin is like
Speaker 3: a speedy thing, isn't it like fen like from the eighties?
Speaker 3: Let's say, yeah, a fedron is a stimulant, so but
Speaker 3: also can treat hypotension.
Speaker 2: So I think that's how people have got thin in
Speaker 2: the nineties. Yeah, it's the nineties.
Speaker 3: These guys are trying to stay trim and rob banks, Okay,
Speaker 3: So they enter the bank at nine sixteen. When they're inside,
Speaker 3: Phillips yells, this is a fucking hold up, and they
Speaker 3: both shoot their guns at the ceiling a bunch of
Speaker 3: times to scare the people in the bank. And the
Speaker 3: bank is filled with like thirty or so people customers
Speaker 3: and staff, and they want to send a message like
Speaker 3: don't fucking try to come for us. We've got, you know, guns,
Speaker 3: and there's they're automatic weapons. So they force a manager
Speaker 3: to open the vault fill a bag with money, but
Speaker 3: because of a change to the bank's delivery schedule, the
Speaker 3: vault had way less than the seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: k that these gunmen were expecting. Mada Sarienu is furious
Speaker 3: and demands more money from the manager. Then he fires
Speaker 3: seventy five rounds into the bank safe, which destroys much
Speaker 3: of the remaining money. Then he tries to open the
Speaker 3: bank's ATM, but due to a policy change, the manager
Speaker 3: can no longer get into the ATM to that money.
Speaker 3: So then they put all the hostages in the bank
Speaker 3: vault and they lock it and they leave with three
Speaker 3: hundred and three thousand, three hundred and five dollars plus
Speaker 3: three die packs, which later exploded, ruining some of the money.
Speaker 1: Because the guy in.
Speaker 3: The episode is like, no die packs, right, like he's
Speaker 3: got an eye out for it. So unfortunately for these two,
Speaker 3: when you walk into a bank with automatic weapons and
Speaker 3: tons of homemade body armor, people do notice you. So
Speaker 3: two cops did see them walking into the bank, which
Speaker 3: is they didn't count on that, like when they were
Speaker 3: calculating their eight minutes, and they immediately called it in
Speaker 3: like possible robbery.
Speaker 1: At this Bank of America.
Speaker 3: So when they these robbers go to exit the bank,
Speaker 3: uh oh, the lapd is there, and an action movie
Speaker 3: style shootout between cops and robbers does begin.
Speaker 2: Wait, is there air in the the vault? Because that
Speaker 2: would be the best if there was a bank robbery
Speaker 2: and they put me in the vault, I'd feel happy.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, thank God, I'm out of danger.
Speaker 3: But I'm just yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely
Speaker 3: like a few hours worth of air, Like I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to be locked in there for a long time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, now they've converted a lot of
Speaker 2: vaults and banks into nightclubs and bars.
Speaker 3: So I've done standing up in a vault. Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: done stand up in a bank vault. It's kind of great.
Speaker 3: The sound is like really can be really good because
Speaker 3: it keeps it all in like all the laughs.
Speaker 1: But so this big shootout start.
Speaker 3: These two try to get away matas Sarienu after being
Speaker 3: shot in the ass the arm and getting a laceration
Speaker 3: in his eye socket, abandons the double bag of money
Speaker 3: and gets in the getaway car, which is a white
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven Chevrolet celebrity and Phillips, who had been
Speaker 3: trying to get into the car but was shot in
Speaker 3: the shoulder and also a shot hit his gun, so
Speaker 3: he abandoned the car, and he still had another gun obviously,
Speaker 3: and he fled on foot. So while they're all the
Speaker 3: while this is happening, they're continuing you shoot at the
Speaker 3: cops and the cops are shooting back at them.
Speaker 1: The shootout continued on.
Speaker 3: A residential street, with matas Siinu following Phillips to try
Speaker 3: to get him in the car, like he's like driving
Speaker 3: kind of alongside him, and then they eventually split up
Speaker 3: when one of them like gets like Phillips gets behind
Speaker 3: a truck and then Phillips, who's been badly shot, eventually
Speaker 3: just shoots himself under the chin, and right after that
Speaker 3: a cops shoots him in the spine, and they said
Speaker 3: either could be the cause of death, but Phillips ends it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: Matasiinu is continuing to chaotically cruise down the street. He's
Speaker 3: crashing into other cars, he's trying and failing to carjack
Speaker 3: a bunch of people at nine to fifty six, so
Speaker 3: literally forty minutes have passed.
Speaker 2: Do we get the rights to this? How is this
Speaker 2: not a movie?
Speaker 1: I mean, at nine.
Speaker 3: Fifty six, he tries to carjack a yellow nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: three Jeep Gladiator by shooting at the driver, who gets away,
Speaker 3: but not before the driver flips some kind of electrical
Speaker 3: kill switch which makes the car undriveable. So then Mata
Speaker 3: Siennu gets into a gunfight with the cops that apparently
Speaker 3: is almost two point five minutes of uninterrupted gunfire, like
Speaker 3: just gun shots NonStop for two and a half minutes.
Speaker 3: And then after this guy gets shot so many times
Speaker 3: he's finally down, they call an ambulance while he's apparently
Speaker 3: loudly swearing and trying to get the cops to shoot him.
Speaker 3: He's like daring the cops to shoot him. He dies
Speaker 3: before the ambulance and the EMTs can get there, and
Speaker 3: he'd been shot twenty nine times in the legs and
Speaker 3: died from blood loss from two gun shot wounds in
Speaker 3: his left eigh.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's because he took that calmbing pill
Speaker 2: like he was chill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it makes you not panic when you
Speaker 3: get shot the first twenty seven or so times. I
Speaker 3: don't know, like that's a lot of times to get
Speaker 3: fucking shot. So later his kids actually filed a lawsuit
Speaker 3: against the LAPD an officer and a detective who were
Speaker 3: at the scene, claiming that his civil rights have been
Speaker 3: violated and that he was allowed to bleed to death.
Speaker 1: They say that an ambulance crew did arrive.
Speaker 3: So apparently when there's something like this going on that
Speaker 3: wherever there's the danger, it's called the hot zone, and
Speaker 3: like they're not going to call any ambulances into the
Speaker 3: hot zone because ambulance drivers are not law enforcement, Like
Speaker 3: they're not you know, they're there to help people. They're
Speaker 3: not there to like dodge gunfire.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you can't pay someone hourly and then throw
Speaker 2: them in the gun yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like they don't get called into like this
Speaker 3: hot zone. But what they're alleging is that the ambulance
Speaker 3: crew did, but they left after one of the cops
Speaker 3: told the crew to quote, get the fuck out of there.
Speaker 3: And I think the cop even said in trial that
Speaker 3: he said something to that effect, but he probably said like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but because it was a hot zone still and then
Speaker 3: you know, an ambulance driver said he didn't feel safe
Speaker 3: and felt like he was his life was in danger.
Speaker 3: And then apparently the officer said, well, we tried to
Speaker 3: get an ambulance to come back or get.
Speaker 2: A different one. But they allege the kids lawsuit.
Speaker 3: A ledge is that one of those cops canceled the
Speaker 3: ambulance and told the dispatcher, I have no officers or
Speaker 3: citizens down, only a suspect. So I don't know, but
Speaker 3: the case was tried in two thousand and ended with
Speaker 3: a hung jury, and then the family later dropped the lawsuit,
Speaker 3: so they never got any civil money from these two
Speaker 3: cops for letting their dad bleed out.
Speaker 1: But crazy, I've never heard of a lawsuit like that,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: So then, so basically, yeah, Phillips and Motes Sorien, who
Speaker 3: had robbed at least two other banks, they'd robbed armored cars,
Speaker 3: they used illegal guns that they had modified to be
Speaker 3: automatic weapons. Initially, the cops like were honestly not getting
Speaker 3: anywhere with these guys because they were so heavily armored,
Speaker 3: that they brought in the LAPD squad team with more
Speaker 3: high powered weapons, and this shootout sparked like a whole
Speaker 3: debate about the need for patrol officers to upgrade their
Speaker 3: firepower to semi automatic rifles so that they could be
Speaker 3: prepared for situations like this, which I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: I mean part of me is also like, can't we
Speaker 3: like apprehend robbers without just like a full fucking shootout.
Speaker 3: But I guess these guys could have killed people.
Speaker 2: Too, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but it contributed to the eventual
Speaker 3: arming of police officers in LA with semi automatic rifles
Speaker 3: and nationwide, So this was like a big thing late
Speaker 3: nineties crime, Like, let's give the cops semi automatic weapons.
Speaker 3: Twelve police officers eight civilians were injured in the shootout,
Speaker 3: but nobody else, no other casualties except for the robbers themselves.
Speaker 3: Due to the large number of injuries and rounds fire,
Speaker 3: the equipment used by these robbers the length of the shootout,
Speaker 3: it's considered one of the most intense and significant gun
Speaker 3: battles in.
Speaker 1: US police history. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the two Roberts fired approximately eleven hundred rounds in total,
Speaker 3: and the cops six hundred and fifty rounds. But another
Speaker 3: estimate says that it was a total of almost two
Speaker 3: thousand rounds were fired.
Speaker 1: So that's the that's fucked.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the battle of the Battle of North Hollywood,
Speaker 3: the North Hollywood shootout. Here is the case that this
Speaker 3: is more like that the kidnapping is based on which
Speaker 3: I'm just going to get every ready to head up,
Speaker 3: has some horrific details in it. So this is the
Speaker 3: Marion Parker case. Francis Marion Parker, though she went by Marion,
Speaker 3: was a twelve year old girl who was kidnapped and
Speaker 3: murdered in Los Angeles in December of nineteen twenty seven,
Speaker 3: in what the La Times called quote the most horrible
Speaker 3: crime of the nineteen twenties. So on December fifteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty seven, Marion is at Mount Vernon Junior High School
Speaker 3: when a man pretending to to be one of her
Speaker 3: father's employees signs her out of school with the registrar
Speaker 3: saying her father, Perry, has been in a car accident
Speaker 3: and he wants his daughter to be brought to him,
Speaker 3: and the registrar let her go with him because she
Speaker 3: thought he seemed nice and it seemed like they maybe
Speaker 3: knew each other. On December sixteenth, the Parker family gets
Speaker 3: a ransom note asking for fifteen hundred dollars, which is
Speaker 3: about twenty eight thousand dollars today, and they wanted in
Speaker 3: twenty dollars gold certificates. So these ransom notes come by telegram,
Speaker 3: and they had varying signatures Fate, death, the Fox. Some
Speaker 3: had words written in Greek on them. The first note
Speaker 3: came from Pasadena and said do positively nothing till you
Speaker 3: receive special delivery letter. The second was from Alhambra and said,
Speaker 3: Marian secure, use good judgment. Interference with my plans dangerous.
Speaker 3: A third one said no one will ever see the
Speaker 3: girl again except the angels in heaven, and they signed
Speaker 3: the letter fate and also the Greek word for death.
Speaker 2: We never really get to a very angie cassa vedas.
Speaker 1: Yes, very.
Speaker 2: Pro Greek.
Speaker 3: This is Greek propaganda, like angiekats in the Vedas is
Speaker 3: like a full plant from the Greek tourism industry.
Speaker 2: I feel, well, it's just funny that like her daughter's like, Mom,
Speaker 2: why did you make Greek? Like you're being embarrassing, like
Speaker 2: to have your daughter go, why are you being so Greek?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes me really laught so wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Marian's father, Perry Parker, worked at a bank much
Speaker 3: like the dad in this episode, okay, and he made
Speaker 3: an attempt at a ransom drop, but when the kidnapper
Speaker 3: realized that he had involved the police, he the kidnapper
Speaker 3: like ghosted. So then Parker gets another telegram for the
Speaker 3: kid from the kidnapper, berating him for the press attention
Speaker 3: that the case was getting and also like you know,
Speaker 3: lecturing him for getting the police involved. In a following telegram,
Speaker 3: he told Parker that he would only keep her alive
Speaker 3: for one more day, and this part of the letter
Speaker 3: also included a portion of the letter written in Marian's handwriting,
Speaker 3: begging him to do the drop without police involvement. So
Speaker 3: now two ransom telegrams arrive on December seventeenth, so now
Speaker 3: she's been missing for two days. That read PM Parker,
Speaker 3: please recover your senses. I want your money rather than
Speaker 3: to kill your child, but so far you have given
Speaker 3: me no other alternative. And the other message said, Fox
Speaker 3: is my name, very sly you know, set no traps,
Speaker 3: I'll watch for them. Get this straight exclamation point. Remember
Speaker 3: that life hangs by a thread I have a Gillette
Speaker 3: ready and I'm able to handle the situation. So these
Speaker 3: are very threatening. So now it's time for the ransom drop.
Speaker 3: On twelve seventeen, Perry has convinced the authorities to let
Speaker 3: him go alone with no police, So he gets to
Speaker 3: the drop point with the money around eight o'clock and
Speaker 3: is quickly approached by the suspect driving a Chrysler Coop.
Speaker 3: He pulls up next to Perry's car with and holds
Speaker 3: him at gunpoint with a sowd off shotgun, and he
Speaker 3: has a bandana covering most of his face and Parry
Speaker 3: like an ice agent, a different kind of criminal. And
Speaker 3: Parry could see Marian in the passenger seat of the car,
Speaker 3: sitting there but not moving, and he called her name,
Speaker 3: but there was no response, and he was confused because
Speaker 3: her eyes were opened, but he just assumed she had
Speaker 3: been drugged and it was also so basically what happened
Speaker 3: was the kidnapper grabs the money, drives off, and tosses
Speaker 3: Marian's body out of the car as he speeds off.
Speaker 3: There's some outlets that reported that he said, there's your
Speaker 3: daughter as he threw the body out of the car.
Speaker 3: Now this is very graphic in case anybody wants to,
Speaker 3: I don't know fast forward, but her limbs had been
Speaker 3: cut off, her eyes were sewed open with wires, and
Speaker 3: she had been disemboweled, and her abdominal cavity was stuffed
Speaker 3: with like a towel and a man's shirt, like a
Speaker 3: bunch of towels and a man's shirt. The limbs were
Speaker 3: later found in Alesion Park. The coroner confirmed that she
Speaker 3: had actually died twelve hours earlier and actually during the pandemic.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, they did a reboot of Perry Mason
Speaker 3: that I watched and very much enjoyed, and in the
Speaker 3: first season, the whole premise of it is that this
Speaker 3: little baby is kidnapped a much younger child, a baby,
Speaker 3: but when the kidnappers deliver the kid in the show,
Speaker 3: he also has his eyes like son open, so there's
Speaker 3: They say that this case inspired that season looselyate I
Speaker 3: think just because of the eye situation. In the show,
Speaker 3: the baby died because he would overdose being breastfed by
Speaker 3: a heroin using sex worker. In real life, there's a
Speaker 3: different reason why he does it, So obviously, this crime
Speaker 3: is so fucking horrific that's so it's so fucked and like, honestly,
Speaker 3: the disemboweling, I.
Speaker 2: Don't like that she had only died twelve hours earlier,
Speaker 2: Like that means she was alive for this shit, Like
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Or not?
Speaker 1: Or they did it that.
Speaker 3: Day, Like well, I'm going to get into it, but
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, I don't know why. So
Speaker 3: obviously a man hunt begins immediately, twenty thousand police officers volunteers, Like,
Speaker 3: there's a fifty thousand dollars reward.
Speaker 2: This isn't for ransom, this is a Sickoh, this is
Speaker 2: like a psycho you know.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well yeah, there's there's like more to it,
Speaker 3: but yes, absolutely. The fifty thousand dollars reward is later
Speaker 3: up to one hundred thousand because so many donations from
Speaker 3: the public flooded in. Three days after the whole ransom
Speaker 3: drop body discovery, the abandoned car that was used was found,
Speaker 3: and it had been stolen in San Diego like earlier,
Speaker 3: and they found the car, the authorities were able to
Speaker 3: get fingerprints off the car door, and from these prints,
Speaker 3: the murderer was quickly identified as nineteen year old William
Speaker 3: Edward Hickman nineteen, who was actually a former coworker of
Speaker 3: Perry Parker at the bank, so not his son, but
Speaker 3: former coworker, and they had worked together at First National
Speaker 3: Bank of Los Angeles, and the year before, Hickman had
Speaker 3: been arrested after Perry like ratted him out for forging
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars in stolen checks. Hickman ended up getting probation,
Speaker 3: moving to Kansas City and for six months, but he
Speaker 3: eventually came back to LA Another key piece of evidence
Speaker 3: was that one of the towels that was found inside
Speaker 3: of Marion's abdominal cavity was traced to an apartment complex
Speaker 3: called Bellevue Arms, where it turned out that Hickman had
Speaker 3: recently moved in under the alias Donald Evans. So in
Speaker 3: searching his apartment at Bellvue Arms, they found bloody fingerprints,
Speaker 3: They found newspaper clippings about the kidnapping, and burnt ransom
Speaker 3: notes like he had written some mistake ransom notes and
Speaker 3: then burned them. And then a janitor at Bellevue Arms
Speaker 3: said he saw Hickman carrying several packages to his car
Speaker 3: on the night of December sixteenth, and then saw him
Speaker 3: wiping down his car's seats the next day. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that ended up ever proving anything, but the
Speaker 3: police tracked Hickman through Oregon, Washington State. This guy is
Speaker 3: like on the lamb for a few days, and along
Speaker 3: the way he's paying with these gold certificates from the ransom.
Speaker 1: So then on like for hotels and random shit.
Speaker 3: So then on December twenty second, it's been five days
Speaker 3: since the drop, Hickman was arrested in Echo, Oregon, Okay.
Speaker 3: And when they found him, he had fourteen hundred dollars
Speaker 3: of the fifteen hundred dollars on him, So you'd already
Speaker 3: spent one hundred of it, which doesn't sound like that much,
Speaker 3: but it's a pretty big chunk of the total amount
Speaker 3: of money that you've just blown on your getaway. So
Speaker 3: when they find him, he says, quote some fiend killed her.
Speaker 1: I know who he is.
Speaker 2: End quote.
Speaker 3: And then he said quote I did it because I
Speaker 3: wanted the money to pay my way through college end quote.
Speaker 3: And like I found that quote in a couple different places,
Speaker 3: And like, I don't know how much time lapses between
Speaker 3: him saying he didn't do it and to the end.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did do it.
Speaker 3: To pay for college, Like, I don't know what the order, like,
Speaker 3: what makes him say that, but I guess.
Speaker 1: He then says he kind of did it.
Speaker 3: But in jail and Oregon, he confesses that he helped
Speaker 3: with the kidnapping, but he said he.
Speaker 1: Didn't do the murder.
Speaker 3: That was these two brothers, Oliver and Frank Kramer, who
Speaker 3: claimed who's he's claiming did all the murdering that killed her,
Speaker 3: and Hickman told reporters that he actually spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time with Mary and after he kidnapped her and
Speaker 3: even took her to see a movie called Figures Don't
Speaker 3: Lie at the rialto theater Wild he copped to the telegrams,
Speaker 3: the ransom telegrams, the phone calls, but he said, nope,
Speaker 3: the Kramers did the murder. But he's kind of a
Speaker 3: fucking dumbass, and it was it must have been a
Speaker 3: hail Mary on his part because the Kramer brothers were
Speaker 3: in prison when the murder occurred and they had been
Speaker 3: for months, so was not the Kramer bros. So Hickman
Speaker 3: gets extradited to California, where he confesses also to the
Speaker 3: murder of Clarence Ivy Tom's which had occurred during a
Speaker 3: drugstore robbery. He also confesses to many other robberies, and
Speaker 3: then he gives a full written confession detailing Mariam Parker's murder,
Speaker 3: which is really really horrendous, so just get ready, this
Speaker 3: is really bad. Hickman said he blindfolded and tied Parker
Speaker 3: to a chair in his apartment at the Bellvue Arms,
Speaker 3: and then he strangled her until she was unconscious. He
Speaker 3: then hung the body upside down over his bathtub, sliced
Speaker 3: her throat at the jugular to drain all the blood,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm glad she was dead for all this.
Speaker 1: Well, wait till my senter.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is all from him, so hopefully this is
Speaker 3: not real. But after dismembering her arms and legs, he
Speaker 3: disemboweled her, and he claimed at one point doing that
Speaker 3: the body jerked with such force that it flew out
Speaker 3: of the tub, which suggests that she maybe was still
Speaker 3: alive during the dismemberment. I would like to think that
Speaker 3: it was like a Rigor mortis type of thing, where
Speaker 3: her body just made a move, But I cannot honestly
Speaker 3: wrap my mind around that someone being alive for something
Speaker 3: so awful. But he wraps the limbs in newspaper, puts
Speaker 3: her torso in a suitcase. Then he goes to see
Speaker 3: a movie, but he's not totally psycho. He couldn't focus
Speaker 3: during the movie and cried throughout the entire thing, So
Speaker 3: he's feeling remorse. I guess later, again, what was the
Speaker 3: reason for killing her, Like, there's no reason you still
Speaker 3: went to the drop. You could have just given her over,
Speaker 3: like they brought the money, and all the disemboweling and
Speaker 3: the dismembering. I guess the dismembering was probably to get
Speaker 3: rid of the body, but I don't understand the disemboweling.
Speaker 3: I really don't understand what any of his motives were
Speaker 3: for this. And he realized a little later. He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: Perry's gonna want to see his daughter at the drop
Speaker 3: and make sure she's okay before he pays the ransom.
Speaker 3: So then he basically tries to put her back together again.
Speaker 3: And that's when he puts makeup on her face and
Speaker 3: he sows her eyes open using wire, and that's you
Speaker 3: know why she appeared to be awake sitting in the
Speaker 3: car when her dad was to her. But Hickman told
Speaker 3: the police quote she felt perfectly safe, and the tragedy
Speaker 3: was so sudden and unexpected that I'm sure she never
Speaker 3: actually suffered through the whole affair, except for a little
Speaker 3: sobbing which she couldn't keep back for her mother and father.
Speaker 3: End quote so very horrific, I mean in the nineteen
Speaker 3: twenties too, like, I mean, I forgot what no Black
Speaker 3: Dolly is later like, but these horrific like disemboweling crimes are,
Speaker 3: and in la like what's going on at trial. Hickman's
Speaker 3: lawyers are trying to plead that he's insane. They claim
Speaker 3: that a god named Providence commanded him to commit these
Speaker 3: heinous crimes. Okay, Providence is this supernatural deity making him
Speaker 3: do this. He is one of the first defendants in
Speaker 3: California to plead not guilty by reason of insanity, as
Speaker 3: it was a new law at the time.
Speaker 2: So but prison guards from the jail and Oregon.
Speaker 3: Said that Hickman had asked them how to quote unquote
Speaker 3: act crazy. And then a psychologist named doctor W. D.
Speaker 3: McCarry examined Hickman and jail and said, quote his mind
Speaker 3: seemed clear. And he also said Hickman quote told a
Speaker 3: straight coherent story and was never at a loss for words.
Speaker 3: There was nothing about him to indicate insanity. He says
Speaker 3: he does not like girls, that he is deeply religious,
Speaker 3: and that his ambition was to become a minister. Several
Speaker 3: times he made mention of God end quote, so of
Speaker 3: course this is a God fearing man. The prosecution introduced
Speaker 3: that Hickman's motive was revenge for Perry Parker for testifying
Speaker 3: against him in this forgery trial, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: he got no jail time for. So it would be
Speaker 3: a wild reaction to murder someone's child because you got
Speaker 3: probation for six months for check forgery.
Speaker 1: But it was also suggested that he may have wanted
Speaker 1: the notoriety.
Speaker 3: Apparently he told one reporter that he wanted as much
Speaker 3: press as Leopold and Lobe had gotten. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you've heard of them, Lisa, but they were
Speaker 3: too guys in nineteen twenty four who killed a teen
Speaker 3: boy in Chicago, and that was called the crime of
Speaker 3: the century at the time. So this guy, whatever his
Speaker 3: motivations were, Hickman was found guilty and sentenced to death
Speaker 3: in February of nineteen twenty eight. A month later, He
Speaker 3: was found guilty of the murder of Clarence Ivy Toms
Speaker 3: and sentenced to life for that.
Speaker 2: He had one.
Speaker 3: Failed appeal, but he was executed by hanging at San
Speaker 3: Quentin in October of nineteen twenty eight, so less than
Speaker 3: a year after the crime was committed. This guy was dead. Like,
Speaker 3: they did not fuck around in the twenties. It's like
Speaker 3: none of this twenty years on death row shit. Like
Speaker 3: this guy was dead. In the months before his execution,
Speaker 3: he apparently became a Catholic and wrote apology letters to
Speaker 3: his victims' families. Not that it really matters, but yeah, fucked.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even have a guess. I know
Speaker 1: this is there's no palate cleanser for this one.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, We're just gonna have to go straight into
Speaker 3: our post mortem.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh so terrible. What a sick mother fucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know those guys. Yeah, okay, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they like originally didn't tell her mom the details
Speaker 3: of what happened because they knew it would just like
Speaker 3: ruin her. So they told her that the daughter died
Speaker 3: of like like a poison overdose or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like, I I it's like.
Speaker 3: Awful, But so that didn't happen to Carly in the show.
Speaker 3: But there were just some similarities with like the ransom
Speaker 3: and the and this guy wasn't on drugs. Apparently he
Speaker 3: was just working at the behest of a god named
Speaker 3: Providence or wanted to be famous. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: let's get into our post mortem right away. Okay, So
Speaker 3: no guests today for Blast, although I think we do
Speaker 3: talk to Tamratuni about it, so if anybody wants to
Speaker 3: go back and revisit that episode, we ask her about
Speaker 3: that one for Shore. That's harm, right, I think it's
Speaker 3: I think it's harm Harm. Yeah, it's the Abu grab
Speaker 3: which you brought up earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we are well because some of sorry
Speaker 2: to bring back lad Bible but it's the worst name.
Speaker 3: But well it does sound so douchey, right because like
Speaker 3: in England, lads are like bros.
Speaker 2: Like lad is like.
Speaker 3: A dude or like a like a bro kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: and so it's like basically it's bro.
Speaker 1: Bible, which I think is another website.
Speaker 2: It's strange because this is the most like heart felt,
Speaker 2: like a woman who was raised in a cult and
Speaker 2: escaped at thirty, Like you know, these harrowing stories. It's
Speaker 2: just like lad Bible. They need a brand shift, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, but I mean they don't
Speaker 2: need my help. They have millions of viewers. But one
Speaker 2: of the guys is like high up in the art
Speaker 2: he caught Saddam Hussein. He was on that mission, he
Speaker 2: was in that apartment, and they are He's like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm getting paid for this stuff. It's my dream,
Speaker 2: Like I can't it just because of the accountant, Like
Speaker 2: I can't imagine being so good at shooting and doing action.
Speaker 3: But in real life, by the way, I'm into see
Speaker 3: I'm on season three of Slow Horses.
Speaker 2: It's so fucking.
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of Slow Horses.
Speaker 3: Slow Horses is on. It's a British show. It's on
Speaker 3: Apple and it's Gary Oldman. And why did he do
Speaker 3: our fucking show? Oh that was that Gary Cooper? No,
Speaker 3: it's Gary Coleman, right, Who's the Gary's never been on
Speaker 3: s for you? Who's the guy who's in Pineapple Express?
Speaker 2: Gary Cole, Gary Cole, Gary Cole Gary Who did you say?
Speaker 1: Gary Oldman?
Speaker 3: Who's like, oh, this motherfucker he ruins my life Gary Oldman.
Speaker 2: I every time he's in the movie Game, I go, I.
Speaker 3: Just don't remember, you know why, because he's a fucking chameleon.
Speaker 1: He never looks the fucking same. I hate it.
Speaker 2: I'm always like, can I just use Bram Stoker as Dracula?
Speaker 3: Like I hate Gary Oldman is one of the wildest,
Speaker 3: Like I bet you Gary Oldman, Like before I watch
Speaker 3: Little Horses, like, oh, I bet you he didn't come
Speaker 3: up to me and start talking to me like on
Speaker 3: the sidewalk, and.
Speaker 1: I would be like, who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 3: Like he just you cannot remember him for some reason
Speaker 3: because he just like he really melts into his characters
Speaker 3: or whatever. He's absolutely disgusting in the show. He's like
Speaker 3: this gross. Basically the show is about really quick synopsis.
Speaker 3: Am I five in in England is like whatever the
Speaker 3: their FBI and they're like the kind of the rejects,
Speaker 3: like they're still part of it kind of, but they
Speaker 3: have their own shitty office and a shittier part of
Speaker 3: town and he's the leader of them, and he like
Speaker 3: farts all the time and eats really disgusting, like he's nasty.
Speaker 3: But he's also like kind of a genius and good
Speaker 3: at his job. Oh, and then it's about all these
Speaker 3: people that kind of fucked up at one time. They're
Speaker 3: all there in his group called Slough House, and they're
Speaker 3: trying to get out.
Speaker 1: He's in two episodes of Friends, Like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this dude up to?
Speaker 2: He's scary oldmans in two episodes of Friends. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Hannibal, he was a weirdo in that.
Speaker 1: Changes his fucking face.
Speaker 3: Like even just googling him now, I'm like, that's not
Speaker 3: what you look like in the show that I'm watching,
Speaker 3: Like he looks so and he made himself look really
Speaker 3: nasty and this like he smokes cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Oh, and like his hair looked unwashed.
Speaker 2: But real people are doing these things, and they're doing
Speaker 2: these interviews and letting us know, and it's like it's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy. There's people doing missions and taking out targets. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this show is very all that.
Speaker 3: It's very like House of Cards with like you know,
Speaker 3: they're they're killing people and making it look like this
Speaker 3: and making it look like that, and you know, the
Speaker 3: government is and the authorities are like part of it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I like that we're doing a postmortem for the different
Speaker 2: episode with's more, we're like fully talking about harm.
Speaker 3: I know, no bless wit talk. I know, we're just
Speaker 3: doing a totally Wait. When you google Gary Oldman, one
Speaker 3: of the like automatic questions at the bottom is what
Speaker 3: did Gary Oldman do to Demi Moore? I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I'll be clicking on this and what is it? Says
Speaker 3: he had to apologize to her for his quote unquote
Speaker 3: destructive and unprofessional behavior on the set of their nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety five film The Scarlet Letter. He was an alcoholic
Speaker 3: at the time, and he said he was in a
Speaker 3: very dark place. And I guess now he's not drinking anymore.
Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting.
Speaker 3: The Scarlet Letter was like a real bomb for Demi Moore, right, casey, No,
Speaker 3: wasn't the was, yeah, But the Scarlet Letter was when
Speaker 3: she tried to do something kind of like period and
Speaker 3: serious and people didn't take her seriously.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't know that because the jury was
Speaker 2: kind of she did see her shit, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But meg serious, like why was everyone such a hater
Speaker 1: of this gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Total misogyny, total misogyny.
Speaker 3: But I think it was like just the fact that
Speaker 3: she was trying to play It's the period of it
Speaker 3: all like going back to that those like, you know,
Speaker 3: speaking in a different way, using different like you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think people I think maybe it was the
Speaker 3: example of like Demi Moore has nineties face. You know
Speaker 3: how people are like this person has seen an iPhone,
Speaker 3: Like we can't we can't put this person in a
Speaker 3: period movie.
Speaker 1: This person has the face of someone who's seen an iPhone.
Speaker 3: Like I think that's the thing with Demi Moore is
Speaker 3: like I don't really believe Demi Moore, no matter how
Speaker 3: frumpy you make her look, was like wall Goodie back
Speaker 3: in the Scarlet Letter times.
Speaker 2: I had a friend I forgot already who But do
Speaker 2: you think mom Donnie gets botox?
Speaker 1: He's so young?
Speaker 3: I mean, not that people don't get it in their thirties,
Speaker 3: like people get it at that age because it's preventative.
Speaker 2: But why do you think? I don't think someone someone
Speaker 2: else thought. And so I'm bringing it up because they're
Speaker 2: talking about faces. They said, his smile seems bigger because
Speaker 2: his forehead's not moving.
Speaker 1: But I never noticed that.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's something I notice.
Speaker 3: I I don't know, That's not anything I've ever noticed
Speaker 3: about him.
Speaker 1: I've never heard it before before.
Speaker 2: No oh.
Speaker 3: I did also see a subway take that I liked
Speaker 3: the other day where somebody goes, somebody goes.
Speaker 2: It was this girl.
Speaker 3: She was like, stop posting pictures of your kids with
Speaker 3: emojis over their faces. Just post the picture or saying that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yes, girl, Like she goes, I don't
Speaker 3: want to see a smiley face emoji with legs, and
Speaker 3: I'm like yes, Like, if you don't want to post
Speaker 3: the picture, then don't post.
Speaker 2: A picture, or like he does, the back of the body,
Speaker 2: which is fine, yeah, or the back of the head.
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, you have to disengage.
Speaker 1: There's a cricket in my garage right now.
Speaker 2: And because that was another subway take, like, how do
Speaker 2: we fully we need to how do we get off meta, Like,
Speaker 2: we all have to get off. They're tracking us, they
Speaker 2: know everything. They're ruining our lives. They're ruining our lives.
Speaker 3: Man, Okay, wait, let's do the post mortem of this episode.
Speaker 3: This episode is fucking insanity. It's a kidnapping, it's leukemia,
Speaker 3: it's a shootout at a bank.
Speaker 1: I mean, they really are doing a lot.
Speaker 3: What what did the guy in the episode like know
Speaker 3: that his sister had luke, Like he knew she had leukemia,
Speaker 3: and he still left her underneath a pile of garbage
Speaker 3: when they found her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, drugs really does fuck you up.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you can't even like leave your six
Speaker 3: sister propped up somewhere, Like that's so crazy to me
Speaker 3: because he believed her when she told him over the phone,
Speaker 3: like they does.
Speaker 2: Keep thinking of more lad Bible videos. I watched Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Amish I went from amish to being a stripper.
Speaker 1: You know that was well, that's a real that's a
Speaker 1: real rum spring on.
Speaker 2: That doesn't well, no, it's fucked, Like really reiterates the
Speaker 2: point of like being open with your kids because the
Speaker 2: more you seclude them, the less they know about the
Speaker 2: world and it's easier to take advantage of them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reason I thought of it is because she did
Speaker 1: end up gett addicted to crack. Oh god. Uh, but
Speaker 1: she's tough, she's good.
Speaker 2: It's all people have come out the other end, and
Speaker 2: that's like the whole point. Yeah, Like this child, but
Speaker 2: the dad is dead, right or do you think surgery
Speaker 2: kept him alive? You think the dad survived the gun show?
Speaker 2: I think the Dad survives.
Speaker 3: I think Melinda's pen like long excavation like worked out,
Speaker 3: even though the wiki said that she did it the
Speaker 3: wrong way. I think that the post mortem takeaway from
Speaker 3: this episode is that Melinda is a hero and should
Speaker 3: be on more, in the field more. We need her
Speaker 3: in the field more. But of course she's off the
Speaker 3: show now, but I want her back. I also feel
Speaker 3: like man bank robbery is a tough gig, Like these
Speaker 3: guys really like came in in forty pounds of fucking
Speaker 3: extra shit. Their watch is sewn onto their gloves. They
Speaker 3: timed everything out. You still can't you still can't do it.
Speaker 3: You don't get away with it, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do people get away with bank robberies a lot? No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm gonna watch some lad bibles. There's some theft,
Speaker 2: there's some yeah, let's see if there's a there is.
Speaker 2: And there's a guy that escaped prison four times. I
Speaker 2: slip to watch that one.
Speaker 1: What four times? That's oh my god? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, the two guys who robbed the Loop weren't hot
Speaker 3: in the end. They were hot, Oh, but fucking hot
Speaker 3: these guys. This guy wrote a song like did you
Speaker 3: see this? Like viral song that was like.
Speaker 1: The two ooh dudes who rob the loop.
Speaker 3: It was like so, but then he had to write
Speaker 3: another song that was like, Okay, these aren't the dudes
Speaker 3: who rob the loof because like he was writing this
Speaker 3: love song about how hot they were and then he's like,
Speaker 3: turned out it wasn't them. So I got this is
Speaker 3: this is where I'm getting my news, everybody. I'm getting
Speaker 3: my news from people who write songs about ice and
Speaker 3: how hot the hijackers are. I do love a hot criminal. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's move on, shall we? Should we get to what
Speaker 3: would sister Peg do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean we barely did a post mortem on the episode,
Speaker 1: or I mean, what can we say.
Speaker 3: We're we're all on the pace. We're in and out
Speaker 3: of lad Bible. You know what we you know what
Speaker 3: we do? Love like sneaking in in a refrigerator box.
Speaker 3: That's fun.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's fun. I liked that little game they played.
Speaker 2: I like that. That was a good two guys in,
Speaker 2: two guys out, like.
Speaker 1: I love it all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Glad was he so awful to his sister? I
Speaker 2: know the drug stuff, but it's like, fuck you, bro.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess he probably puts all of his family
Speaker 3: problems on her because his fucking shitty mom was like, sorry,
Speaker 3: I have a do over kid that I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: working with now, and so you're out of my life.
Speaker 3: And so he probably projects all of his hatred for
Speaker 3: his mother onto this little girl who stole all of
Speaker 3: his parents love and attention. This week's what would Sister
Speaker 3: Peg Do? This is our weekly segment where we point
Speaker 3: you to a organization, a movie, a documentary and article
Speaker 3: something to give you more info about what we talked
Speaker 3: about this week. This week, we're not I don't really
Speaker 3: have any information on you know, bank robberies or to
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