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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I almost famous in depth,

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Speaker 1: almost famous listeners. Thank you for being here. It's Ashley

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Speaker 1: and I have a really fun person I'm interviewing today.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Serene Russell. She's here. She is also

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Speaker 1: known as star Bachelor in Paradise season omg? Was it

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Speaker 1: season eight or season nine? Okay? Thank god? Season nine

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Speaker 1: is next year, and it's like, how are we here already?

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Speaker 1: I know it was literally yesterday already. I know. Um okay.

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Speaker 1: So you were a favorite on Clayton season and you

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Speaker 1: end up with Brandon, just the sweetest little soul who

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Speaker 1: got absolutely plum like pummeled, pummeled that's the word, right,

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Speaker 1: His heart got pummeled by Michelle on her season. And

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Speaker 1: you guys end up together in Bachelor in Paradise, and

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Speaker 1: you were together from like day one strong. You were

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Speaker 1: the idle couple that everybody was hoping to find, hoping

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Speaker 1: to be did you guys? Were you guys looking for

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Speaker 1: each other when you got there? Were you both number

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Speaker 1: one on each other's lists? And if not, you must

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Speaker 1: spill the beans on who you were looking forward to seeing.

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Speaker 1: I think I was the most excited about Brandon because

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Speaker 1: while Clayton season was airing, he was very like vocal

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Speaker 1: about me. He was very vocal about you being in Paradise,

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Speaker 1: Like not about me being in Paradise, but like just

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Speaker 1: him watching like he like live reacted, I guess on

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Speaker 1: like Instagram and Twitter, and so like anytime I was

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Speaker 1: like on screen, he would like record something and people

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Speaker 1: would send it to me, And we weren't even like

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Speaker 1: following each other, and so I was getting like every

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Speaker 1: time the show would air, I was like having people

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Speaker 1: send me his story because he would just like be

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Speaker 1: like like zooming in on me and stuff on the screen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he definitely wanted to in Paradise. You were definitely

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Speaker 1: his number one pick. Did you want him equally? No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. I'm kid. Yeah, I was the most

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Speaker 1: excited about him, and I think it was on your list.

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Speaker 1: Um coming off of Clayton's season, I was interested in Brandon, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: and Rodney. Okay, so Brandan, Andrew, and Rodney, all right,

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Speaker 1: and you got all of them there. So at what

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Speaker 1: point were you like, I'm not into the other two,

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Speaker 1: forget them, I'm all in on Brendan. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think the first day I actually talked to Andrew first.

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Speaker 1: So Andrew and Brandon were the only guys that talked

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Speaker 1: to me like the first day at all. So I

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Speaker 1: got there first, and I was literally there for hours

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Speaker 1: before a guy came up to me to talk to me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really, why do you think that was? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but like as other girls were arriving, other

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Speaker 1: girls were like getting pulled to chat and I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there like okay, like I'm getting bored. And then I

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Speaker 1: knew like Brandon was excited to meet me, so I

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Speaker 1: was like, where's he at? And he ended up not

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Speaker 1: showing up until like almost the end, Like he was

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Speaker 1: like one of the last people to get there and

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Speaker 1: I was the first. And so like I had like

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Speaker 1: one short conversation with Andrew and then sat around for

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Speaker 1: a couple more hours before anybody else and then kind

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Speaker 1: of just started talking to the girls. I started getting like, really,

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Speaker 1: just hold on. I have a theory here. Those guys

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Speaker 1: are really tight knit crew. My thought is that they

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Speaker 1: all knew that Brandon wanted to pursue you, and they

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Speaker 1: were really trying to respect him and let him have

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Speaker 1: first DIBs. I mean, I don't know, but I was like,

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Speaker 1: is there something wrong with me? Like everybody's like talking

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Speaker 1: to everybody, and I remember saying like I needed someone intentional.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, like I was just

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Speaker 1: in the last four girls there, and I felt like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was a guessing game as to where

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Speaker 1: to be pursued, like and so saying that and then

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Speaker 1: going from not being pursued, I mean, we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of Gabby and Rachel's men on the beach, and

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Speaker 1: they weren't being pursued a lot on their own season

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Speaker 1: by those same guys. And so the moment Brandon gets

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Speaker 1: that was when it just felt like, Okay, now it's

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Speaker 1: getting fun. Oh that's adorable. How did you feel about

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Speaker 1: all the comparisons that people were making about you and Michelle?

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Speaker 1: People were like, oh, they're both teachers, they sort of

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Speaker 1: have a similar look and demeanor. Would you how did

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Speaker 1: so now he's gonna go fine like her, like her

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Speaker 1: doppleding or of sorts on the beach. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I got that comparison as soon as I was on

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Speaker 1: And I remember being on Clayton's season and being like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened between the two of them,

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Speaker 1: but like, did they bring me here to like mess

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Speaker 1: with him? I ended up like asking that. They were like, no,

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Speaker 1: you guys are completely different people, and so you know

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Speaker 1: we have like mutual friends and stuff, and I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like a brown people look the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I think you guys are definitely very different. Now that

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Speaker 1: I know you up both a little bit, I wouldn't compare.

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Speaker 1: I think we we have like different vibes. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I met her one time, but the comparison like never

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Speaker 1: bothered me. It's like it's to be expected when people

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Speaker 1: like don't see like everything, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so she and Nate broke up during the filming of Paradise.

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Speaker 1: Did they come in and tell Brendan this just to

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Speaker 1: like kind of throw him off? So he ended up

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Speaker 1: finding out. But it was the week that we that

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Speaker 1: the girls were at Vedanta that that came out because

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Speaker 1: it was one of the first things I heard coming

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Speaker 1: back in. Yeah. I mean I didn't think like anything

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Speaker 1: of it, Like, I didn't think like anything was going

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Speaker 1: guys were probably going to get engaged because I thinking

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Speaker 1: about you coming back from Vendonta and you running down

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Speaker 1: the stairs and across the beach and jumping into his arms,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of like the moment we

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Speaker 1: like having the time that we did together, which you

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Speaker 1: think it's not that much time, but it's like twenty

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Speaker 1: and then getting separated and like having no idea when

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Speaker 1: like having to be without each other that week. So

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Speaker 1: that was like a huge shift. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: it was like more gradual, like every day like it'd

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Speaker 1: like it just slowly happened slowly in twenty days. But

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Speaker 1: I think we may have honestly gone longer than that too.

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Speaker 1: I think it was longer than that twenty days. I

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Speaker 1: kept getting it did have a long season because they

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Speaker 1: had more airing weeks this season too. We left a

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Speaker 1: lot later than we originally thought. Yeah, so what was

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Speaker 1: to propose for me to me. Did you know walking

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Speaker 1: yeah I did. But it was really it was still

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Speaker 1: this is like right across from where it was last time, Like,

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Speaker 1: in Mexico. Yeah, yeah it was. It was in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, is he is he good

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Speaker 1: was great. I was I've never been like more calm

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Speaker 1: I was nervous. I was a little nervous. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: So my family was like, Okay, where the heck is

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Speaker 1: I would always give my family numbers of the producers,

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Speaker 1: to move in, you're moving in together, you're adjusting to

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it we're gonna make it? Not really,

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Speaker 1: but I will say like us moving across the country

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Speaker 1: soon into the relationship was not the easiest thing in

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Speaker 1: the world. What did you learn on the road trip? Oh,

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Speaker 1: probably annoying things kind of like I mean things out

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Speaker 1: like Paradise isn't like the Bachelor. You're not just seeing

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Speaker 1: like this curated version of someone, especially because it's like

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Speaker 1: seen each other's like not so pretty sides. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It was just like real sleep deprivation. Like

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Speaker 1: like cooked in his drug it have two cats in

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Speaker 1: the car. Yeah, and then like moving into like a

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Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment like I've I've always been like super

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Speaker 1: independent and like I have two big brothers and so

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Speaker 1: as the girl, like I always had like in my

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Speaker 1: own space, and it's like I live with a man now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how did you like figure out the decorating situation? Jared

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Speaker 1: and I've always had this issue where he wants like

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Speaker 1: some say and where things go, but it's just all wrong. Yes,

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Speaker 1: did you where had you compromise on making the space yours? Together? Uh? Well,

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Speaker 1: we would just we just started fresh for the most part,

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Speaker 1: and like we tried to come to consensus on like everything,

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Speaker 1: and we're both very vocal about the things that we

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Speaker 1: didn't like, so it became easier to figure out. Okay, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he might like this, or Serene might like

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Speaker 1: that or whatever. But I swear if he had it

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Speaker 1: a leather platform bed on the floor, real bachelor like

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Speaker 1: Sirry and I break it down for an hour on

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Speaker 1: all the juiciness that was Zax finale. Serry and I

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Speaker 1: hope to see you and Brandon soon and see more

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Speaker 1: that you're doing the best and let's see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you all right,

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Speaker 1: until next time. I've been Ashley, I've been Serene. You

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