1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, a 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: soap opera star from General Hospital appears in Courton, California, 3 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: for a hearing on her felony DOUI charges after cops 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: says she was high as a kite on marijuana driving 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: down the wrong way on an LA freeway. I'm Nancy Grace. 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories, thanks for being with us here 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: at Fox Station. In series XM one eleven. That's right, 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: the General Hospital soap opera star was drunk and high, 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: according to cops, flying down the wrong way on an 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: LA freeway when she slams into another car head on 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: at sixty mph. The other driver in critical condition. Now 12 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: catch this. When she shows up at the Pasadena courtroom, 13 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: she's using a pair of crutches. Really, when I would 14 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: have a defendant walk into court with, say neck bryce 15 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: or a pair of crutches, I'm like, you know what, 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: that'll get you another ten years? Right there? Okay, what happened, 17 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Let's start at the get go. This woman, Haley Pulos, 18 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: was last spotted driving to a luxury nearly three thousand 19 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: dollars a night Malibu rehab after she plows her vehicle 20 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: wrong way on the interstate. Can you imagine how fast 21 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: they were going all the while. We know the head 22 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: on collision was preceded by another hit and run where 23 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: the actress allegedly rammed into another person, took off, and 24 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: then plows in to this victim on the interstate. The 25 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: dui crash seemingly has no consequences because she is at 26 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: a Malibu rehab that offers gourmet dining, hot tub yoga, 27 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: horseback riding, fishing, beach access, and off site activities during treatment. 28 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: I'manancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with 29 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation and Series XM one eleven. 30 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at 31 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: ABC and KTLA General Hospital. 32 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: Star Haley Pulos has been arrested for an alleged UI, 33 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: accused of causing a major freeway rent. The incident happened 34 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: on the one thirty four in Pasadena, where the CHP 35 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: says she entered the freeway into oncoming traffic. She collided 36 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: head on with another car, destroying both vehicles. Pulos was hospitalized, 37 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: where she was then arrested for DUI. The driver of 38 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: the other car was also hospitalized with major injuries. 39 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: Felisa Pulos was also involved in a hit and run 40 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: crash before the freeway accident. According to Soap Opera Digest, 41 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: the show has temporarily recast her character. She was arrested 42 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: at the hospital and faces dui charges. 43 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: But excuse me. To Jim Smith, chief investigative reporter with 44 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: Dailymail dot Com, the Soap Opera Digest, no offense. Their banner. 45 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: Their headline is her part has been recast. What about 46 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: the victims too, victims I believe in one day, Jim. 47 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, And look, I think I might be able to 48 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: explain why. That's what they headlined on Mancy And it's 49 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: because when they reached out to Haley Tulos they heard 50 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: about this crash. She just said to them, I was 51 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: involved in a car accident. I'm okay, I just need 52 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 4: some time to recover. She failed to mention the fact 53 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 4: that the reason she was involved in a crash is 54 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 4: because she was driving drunk, possibly under the influence of drugs, 55 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: and had hit not one, but two cars like you mentioned. 56 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to read it for Baiden because it's 57 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: just so it's so incredulous. It's hard to believe she 58 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: plows into not one, but two victims, and correct me 59 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I think she was going wrong way, 60 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: drunk or on drugs on the interstate and plows into 61 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: somebody just after another hit and run. She hit, and 62 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: she ran and then has a head on collision. Quote 63 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: this was soap opera digest ib you're sitting down quote Unfortunately, 64 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: I was involved in an automobile accident. What she's either 65 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: drug or high on something according to prosecutors, I mean 66 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: a snoopful And this is I was involved in an 67 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: automobile accident. Somebody wrote this for her. And I'm doing okay, 68 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: but I'm going to need a little time to recover. 69 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: In your malibu? Do you have seriously doing yoga, hot dug, 70 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: gourmet dining, horseback riding, fishing, beach access and off site activities? What? Okay? Wait, 71 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: I will be back as soon as possible. Exclamation, Okay, 72 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: just let that sink in joining me. In addition to 73 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Jen Smith, chief reporter dailymail dot com, the former president 74 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: of Georgia Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Founder director Cold 75 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, and star of a new hit podcast, 76 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum the gall to say I'll be 77 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: back as soon as possible. 78 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 5: What Nancy, she's busy. I mean, she's got to take 79 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 5: some time with all the horseback ride, fish and yoga 80 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 5: and going to the beach. I mean, she's just not 81 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 5: even gonna have time to detail. 82 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: The biggest banner is she's been recast. Jenn Smith, I'm 83 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what exactly happened. First, I 84 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: want to get to the wrong way on the interstate, 85 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: because interstate to me means seventy five mph at best. 86 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: And how do you do a head on collision on 87 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: the interstate. Everybody's supposed to be going the same way. 88 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this happened there are one point thirty 89 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: in the morning. Now, what we know, according to the 90 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: police reports, is that she was driving on this freeway, 91 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 4: she swerved, she clears the dividing barrier and crashes into 92 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: a car traveling on the opposite direction head on at 93 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: what we know so far as sixty miles per hour, 94 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: definitely fast enough to cause some serious damage and. 95 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 6: The driver of that car was. 96 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 4: Taken to the hospital with severe injury. 97 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: Right, did you say impact was at sixty mph? 98 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 4: That's this car where the victims car was traveling at 99 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: least sixty miles per hour when she crashed into it 100 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 4: driving in the wrong direction. 101 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: Joining me right now now, Joseph Trimblight, Senior forensic engineer 102 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: and accident reconstructionist with Veritech Consulting Engineering, and you can 103 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: find him at Vera techeng dot com, Vera tech Engineering 104 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: dot com. Joseph, thanks for being with us, Thanks for 105 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: having me. What do all of these numbers and the 106 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: speeds and going across the median which actually may have 107 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: reduced her speed somewhat, What do you make of this? 108 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: What happened? 109 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 7: Well, the way I understand it, and I'm taking some 110 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 7: of this directly from Daily Mail, was that she was 111 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 7: initially traveling westbound on Highway one thirty four and was 112 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 7: involved in an accident that was less severe with an 113 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 7: Oldsmobile driver, potentially causing her to redirect in a direction 114 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 7: that would cause her to launch over the median barrier 115 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 7: and then become traveling in the oncome traffic lane on 116 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 7: the eastbound side, and then at that point she contacted 117 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 7: the Kia that was driven by the twenty three year 118 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 7: old male. One thing I did find interesting about these 119 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 7: photographs that were provided by the responding emergency personnel was 120 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 7: at the point of rest for. 121 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 8: Both of these vehicles. 122 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 7: Was all the way over on the right side of 123 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 7: the road, which means that she probably was airborne and 124 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 7: traveling across the entire highway before she contacted this Kia. 125 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 7: The damage to both vehicles is severe. It appears that 126 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 7: it is a front end impact, biased a little bit 127 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 7: towards the driver's side of both vehicles, but the damage 128 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 7: is significant all the way from the front bumper through 129 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 7: the occupant compartment. And one thing I did read on 130 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 7: one of these news articles is that she had to 131 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 7: be extricated with the jaws of life. 132 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly my thinking. In fact. Yeah, Joseph Tremblay, Senior 133 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: forensic Engineer and accident reconstructionist, I want you to hear 134 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: what we've learned about that from our friends at KCAL. 135 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 9: She's a general hospital actor. She plays the son and 136 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 9: daughter of Sonny. If you've ever seen that show, that's 137 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 9: who she plays. And we'll show you some video here 138 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 9: of the crash and you can see just really how 139 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 9: serious this was. This was a situation on the one 140 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 9: thirty four in Pasadena where Haley Puyos was arrested where 141 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 9: she came on the wrong way of the one thirty 142 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 9: four hit a car continued on and then got into 143 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 9: this head on crash. You can see here how mangled 144 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 9: up the cars are. Here's the actress herself. She ultimately 145 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 9: was arrested by the CHP after she had to be 146 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 9: extricated using the jaws of life by the Pasadena Police Department. 147 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: Joseph Trimblay, joining us from Veritech Engineering, explain why do 148 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: you have to use the jaws of life? 149 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 7: Well in severe accidents like this one. What ends up 150 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 7: happening opening from the impact crush that occurs to the 151 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 7: vehicle is that a lot of times the occupant compartment, 152 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 7: that the area where the driver sits becomes so damaged 153 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 7: that i'm sorry, the front end of the vehicle, the bumper, 154 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 7: and then both doors become so intermingled entangled together from 155 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 7: the impact that you can't get out the driver if 156 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 7: they do survive a significant impact like this, a lot 157 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 7: of times they can't get out of the vehicle. And 158 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 7: that could be because they're injured or because the vehicle 159 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 7: itself is just so damaged that they can't get out. 160 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you this much from what I know, 161 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: Jen Smith joining us Daily mail dot com. She's not 162 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: so injured that she's not at the Malibu rehab Let's 163 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: see Malibu Detox and Residential Treatment Center where she has 164 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: hot tub What all did I say? Hot tub gourmet dine. 165 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to have lunch there today. That's 166 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: really good. Yoga, horseback fishing, beach access, off site activities. 167 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: She's not hurt. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace General Hospital 168 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: star Hally Pullos shows up in California courtroom for a 169 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: hearing on two felony accounts of duy in connection with 170 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: a near fatal collision. The twenty five year old actress 171 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: allegedly drunk on alcohol and high on pot, driving not 172 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: only sixty mph but the wrong way when she slams 173 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: into another car head on. Ooh, I mean just pot 174 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: wasn't enough. It had to be pot and booze. Then, 175 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: to top it all off, it's a hit and run. 176 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: She leaves the scene. According to cops. Of course, the 177 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: driver of the other car seriously hurt, ensuing her. She 178 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: shows up at a Pasadena courtroom on a pair of crutches. Okay, 179 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: I would like to point out that her hair and 180 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: makeup is perfect. She is using hot pink cushioned crutches. 181 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, I am looking at the car involved. 182 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody lived, so what actually happened? 183 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: Jaws of life. They look like giant metal pinchers that 184 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: actually cut through the metal to extricate someone when the 185 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: car is so damaged and disfigured. So she's not hurt, 186 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: Jen Smith, I mean, the last photo I've seen in 187 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: this woman, her dad is driving her to this luxury 188 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: treatment center after a stop at Taco Bill. She has 189 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: not lost her appetite. 190 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 4: She definitely has not lost her appetite. And no, you're 191 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 4: quite right, she wasn't seriously injured. Obviously, this was hugely 192 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 4: fortunate for her that she was not seriously injured. But 193 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 4: we do know a little bit about how she behaved 194 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 4: when she was brought out of this vehicle. Now, these 195 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 4: emergency personnel, they clearly are risking their own safety getting 196 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 4: people out of these situations. And Nancy, when Hailey Bulop 197 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: was pulled out of her vehicle, she actually complained to 198 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 4: them that she was worried they were going to tear 199 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: her four hundred dollars shirt. She was cursing at these 200 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 4: men and women who were saving her, and she was 201 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 4: more worried about her clothes. She was then taken to 202 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: the hospital we imagine as a precaution and to be 203 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: checked over. And that is where the investigating authorities notice 204 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: that her speech was blurred, there was alcohol on her breast, 205 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: and they were able to make the determination that she 206 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 4: was over the limit. But after they searched what was 207 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: you know, still intact in terms of her car, they 208 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: signed a mini bossal of tequila and they found marijuana. 209 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: Edible tequila and pot. Wow, the car wasn't the only 210 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: thing airborne. Yeah. Speaking of her very bad behavior after 211 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: not one but two crashes, take a list to Mike 212 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: Rogers takel. 213 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 9: There is a TMZ report that claims that after she 214 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 9: was extricated, she was not terribly nice to a firefighter, 215 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 9: claiming that, you know, her shirt is worth four hundred dollars, 216 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 9: don't cut it. Despite the fact that she allegedly just 217 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 9: caused this pretty bad crash. So the CCHP is now 218 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 9: investigating this whole thing again. She's been arrested for duy 219 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 9: and driving wrong way on her freeway. 220 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: Also a criminal charge. Okay, let me get this, that's straight. 221 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: You know what. Let me go out to you. Robert Crispin. Crispin, 222 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: private investigator, former Federal Task force officer for the DOJ, 223 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: Department of Justice with DEA and the Miami Field Division. 224 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Former homicide investigator, now at Crispin Special Investigations. Find them 225 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert Crispin. She cussed out 226 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: see emergency tics and warning they better not hurt her 227 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: four hundred dollars blouse. 228 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 10: Help me, Well, I've seen it a bunch of times, Nancy. 229 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 10: You know, before becoming a federal agent. You know, I 230 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 10: was a city cop, and gosh, I've arrested so many. 231 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 8: People for DUI. 232 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 10: And the reason they're cutting her shortage because they need 233 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 10: to look at her to make sure she doesn't have 234 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 10: any bullet holes in her Was she shocked before the christs? 235 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 8: Do you need to see if. 236 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 10: There's any other injuries anywhere on her body. That's very 237 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 10: typical of a drunk driver to be argumentative. That's one 238 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 10: of the telltale signs. Argumentative odor of alcohol, bloodshot, watery eyes, combative, 239 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 10: all that that's all part of the bigger picture. 240 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, doctor Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic 241 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: psychologist specializing and capital mitigation. You can find her at 242 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: Panthermitigation dot com. She's the author of Criminal Behavior and 243 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,239 Speaker 1: also the author of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Issues 244 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: in Legal Psychology. On Twitter at trial dot doctor Sherry Schwartz, 245 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Okay, you'd think she 246 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: would have stopped after the first crash, that hit and run, 247 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: But no, the thought of stopping and checking on that 248 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: victim that did not occur to her. She continued on 249 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: to have a head on collision with another driver and 250 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: then have the wherewithal not to ask about, Oh, my stars, 251 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: is that guy hurt you? Damn well? Better not cut 252 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: my four hundred dollars blouse. Be that's what happened. 253 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 11: Yes, and I hope it's on BODYCM so that everybody 254 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 11: can see it in court because that'll be extra special. 255 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Well, is that your medical diagnosis? That will be extra 256 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: special because I. 257 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 11: Really like that this is and I do mitigation, as 258 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 11: you know, Nancy, And these are the kinds of crimes 259 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 11: that I won't touch because it's completely preventable. And here 260 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 11: is someone that has to be removed from her own 261 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 11: vehicle with the jaws of life. And I've never seen 262 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 11: this happen, but I imagine it takes some time for 263 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 11: that to happen. It'll just clamp that thing down and 264 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 11: out you come, right. I imagine it takes some time. 265 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 11: And during that time, why is she not thinking, oh, 266 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 11: oh my goodness, like, am I going to survive? Is 267 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 11: victim going to survive? 268 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 12: You know? 269 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 11: Am I going to get into trouble? No, she's worried 270 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 11: about her four hundred dollars blouse and she was so 271 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 11: aggressive according to what I read, that she had to 272 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 11: be sedated at the hospital because she was even aggressive 273 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 11: with hospital staff. And what we know, what the psychology 274 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 11: research shows us about this type of behavior is that 275 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 11: the alcohol tends to amplify trait behavior. So this is 276 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 11: somebody who likely has issues with aggression. 277 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: Jared Farantina is joining US veteran homicide prosecutor. You can 278 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: find them on Facebook and Insta. Jarrett Farantina, jareded really 279 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: tequila and Edible's pot and she's worried about her four 280 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: hundred dollars blouse and becomes abusive, cursing out the EMT's 281 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: trying to get her out of her car with the 282 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: jaws of life. 283 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, it's Haley's world and we're all just living 284 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 8: in it. That's the attitude that I get here. She 285 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 8: has alcohol, marijuana, edibles. If it was truly a hit 286 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 8: and run too, I mean she could have been, she 287 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 8: could have been blacked out behind the wheels. So she 288 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 8: got to a point where she is so out of 289 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 8: her mind on whatever she's intoxicated on that she is 290 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 8: not even in touch with reality. 291 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 6: Has the hit and. 292 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 8: Run Kareem's into the oncoming lane and causes these very, 293 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 8: very bad injuries to this young man. So her conduct 294 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 8: before is a series of bad decisions. If she wasn't 295 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 8: passed out, it was a hit and run, she didn't 296 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 8: render aid to somebody, and she Kareems into that oncoming lane. 297 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 8: It's one intentional act and bad decision after another by Haley. 298 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 8: And then after the accident mistreats emergency personnel and was combative. 299 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 4: At the hospital. 300 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 8: Just a bad actress all the way around. 301 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: Nancy. 302 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: Can I tell one of those amts had to say 303 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: no good ded goes unpunished. Is that Cheryl McCollum jumping in? 304 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 10: Yes, Sam, go ahead. 305 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: But I just want to tell you before you say 306 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: one more word. As your lawyer, let me advise you 307 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: that pulos is stay at the Malibu Rehab could cost 308 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: nearly thirty thousand dollars. Okay, okay, go ahead. 309 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 5: Alcohol makes you more of who you are. So if 310 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 5: you drink and want to fight everybody in the bar, 311 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 5: that's who you are. If you get drunk and want 312 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 5: to sleep with a perfect stranger, that's who you are 313 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: at your core. Alcohol does not change you. Most people 314 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 5: drink so they can do these things. So like when 315 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 5: a woman says, oh, he's good to me until he 316 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 5: starts drinking and then he beats me. No, he drinks 317 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: so he can beat you. So there's a difference when 318 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 5: you look at somebody that has cost thousands of dollars 319 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 5: worth of damage in these vehicles cost thousands of dollars 320 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 5: versus worth of you know, rescue equipment and that time, 321 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 5: and she's worried about a four hundred dollars shirt. And 322 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 5: everybody loves firefighters. They know how to diffuse a situation. 323 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 5: They call you by your first name, they try to 324 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 5: calm you down. They are literally only there to help you. 325 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 5: And you're going to try to punt to one of them, 326 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 5: that's who you are. 327 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: The soap opera queen was flanked by her parents, so 328 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: she made her way into the courtroom for the hearing. 329 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: First responders who rushed to the scene say they found 330 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: the soap opera star smelling of alcohol, with slurred speech 331 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: and glassy eyes. Marijuana edibles and tequila miniatures were then 332 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: found in her white Ford after it was searched by cops. 333 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: Apparently she saw no reason to stop driving after her 334 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: first hit and run that night. 335 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: What more do we know? 336 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: You know what, Cheryl McCollum. I'm looking at a photograph 337 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: we obtained from the Pasadena Fire Department. I don't know 338 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: how these people even lived. You see the airbags deployed 339 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: that this car. These cars are mangled. Now we know 340 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: Pulos of course survived, but the other driver stained major injuries. 341 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: And joining me right now a special guest medical examiner 342 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: from the State of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer, University 343 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine. Doctor Gallagher, thank you for 344 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: taking time out of your day at the Medical Examiner's 345 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: office to speak with us. Why is it, doctor Gallagher? 346 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: And I know this is anecdotal, but I don't have 347 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: a statistical study, but why is it the drunk person 348 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: always walks off, They're fine, she's at a three thousand 349 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: dollars a day Malibu rehab, horseback riding, and sitting in 350 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: the hot tub. Everybody else ends up in traction at 351 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: the hospital or dead. 352 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 6: There is information that supports that. And you know, typically 353 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 6: what alcohol does, it is a essentral nervous system depressant, 354 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 6: meaning that it relaxes you, and so it also increases 355 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 6: your reaction time, so it takes you longer to see 356 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 6: something and react to it than somebody who is sober. 357 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 6: So typically in these accidents, the person who is sober 358 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 6: will brace themselves right before the crash, so they'll grab 359 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 6: onto the steering wheel very hard. They'll strengthen their strengthened, 360 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 6: they will straighten their arms, they will straighten their legs, 361 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 6: and that actually makes their bones a lot easier to break, 362 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 6: and they get injured a lot worse than somebody who 363 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 6: is just relaxed, does not fight the feeling and lets 364 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 6: the airbag come out and save them. So you know 365 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 6: the reason why I'm saying it's not exactly anecdotal is 366 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 6: because people who are restrained in the car and are 367 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 6: asleep in the car and are subject to the same 368 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 6: types of accidents have a much greater survival rate. So 369 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 6: the alcohol relaxes the body. You do not brace your arms, 370 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 6: you after them, you would, You let go of the 371 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 6: steering wheel and then the air bag will come out 372 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 6: and prevent you know, a lot of injuries that way. 373 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 6: And we also see this in race car drivers when 374 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 6: when the race car driver his car is out of 375 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 6: control and he knows he's going to hit the wall, 376 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 6: he will let go of the steering wheel, fold his 377 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 6: arms across his chest, and let the safety equipment that's 378 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 6: installed in the car do its work, and there's a 379 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 6: lot less injuries, you know, to the driver because of 380 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 6: that reason. So it's the relaxation that the alcohol and 381 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 6: in this case the marijuana brought her that actually contributed 382 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 6: to her not becoming as injured as she would have been. 383 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, that's amazing what you just said, doctor Gallagher. 384 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take it all in. So that really 385 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: is true. It's not just what I've noticed in dui homicides. 386 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: That's real. So the drunk person is more relied and 387 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: somehow ends up walking away or at least being a 388 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: lot less injured than all the other parties, because I 389 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: don't know, if you've seen this picture of these mangled cars, 390 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: what looks like it's basically been cut in half. They 391 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: really look awful. I don't know how anyone survived this, hey, 392 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher. Another quick question, tequila mixed with pot ediples? 393 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: What effect would that have on the defendant, the actress 394 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: Haley Pulos. 395 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 6: Well, it depends on how much she had with her now, 396 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: so a six ounce how. 397 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Much tequilla does it take? Gallagher? 398 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 6: Well, also depends on the person's weight, you know, But 399 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 6: I would say an actress is probably underweight if I 400 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 6: were just hazard to guess, so I would say that 401 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 6: five ounces of tequila would raise her blood alcohol level 402 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 6: two about where she needs to be intoxicated, and then 403 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 6: anything above that will just add to that. As far 404 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 6: as the intoxication brought upon by the well delta nine THHC, 405 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 6: which is the marijuana and then the alcohol, those combined 406 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 6: effects are often greater than the effects individually. You know, 407 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 6: we say we typically say, you know, a two plus 408 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 6: two equals four, but in intoxication alcohol and marijuana, two 409 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 6: plus two often equals ten. So they would be more 410 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 6: intoxicated having the combination, you know, than having each one individually. 411 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, it was really interesting, Doda. Doctor Gallagher is 412 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: joining me the Medical Examiner for the state of Florida. 413 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: The big push to legalize marijuana and whether you're for 414 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: it or against it. I of course I'm against it, 415 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 1: not because I think you're going to sit on your 416 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: sofa andes, but a big fat do be my concern 417 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: as you're going to get on the road and drive, 418 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: and more vehicular homicides will occur because you're stunned. What 419 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: do you think about that, doctor Gallagher. 420 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 6: Well, it's very interesting. You should mention that, you know, 421 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 6: for every decedent or every victim that does not survive 422 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 6: that comes to the Medical Examiner's office as a result 423 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 6: of a car accident, we send the blood to toxicology 424 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 6: to see exactly what was in it. And you know, 425 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 6: marijuana has become so incredibly common in these accidents that 426 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 6: if in fact a blood sample comes back negative for marijuana, 427 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 6: I will call the toxicology company and ask them to 428 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: just run at one more time, you know, because nine 429 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 6: out of ten specimens do come back you know, positive 430 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 6: for delta nine THHC, which is the active ingredient in marijuana. 431 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: And before you go back to your patients, doctor Gallagher, 432 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: is there the same level of drug and an edible 433 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: as there would be in pot cigarette. 434 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 6: Difficult to say because of all the different recipes and 435 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 6: there's no standardization, you know, like they would have been 436 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 6: pharmacological things, you know. So and also there's different subtypes 437 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 6: of marijuana. A lot of them have more delta nine 438 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 6: thc in them than another subspecies of it. So it's 439 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 6: just very difficult to say. 440 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: It's not like they've got an nutitional guide stuck on 441 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: the back of the edible about the calories and the 442 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: tea and the pot content. Guys, this woman, this soap 443 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: opera star, he wants us to know she'll be back 444 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: really soon from her luxury rehab. Haley Pulos is by 445 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: far not the first. Is the name Mel Gibson ring 446 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: a bell take listener cut. 447 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 13: Nine Thursday night. Mel Gibson was arrested on the Pacific 448 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 13: Coast Highway with a bottle of tequila in his brand 449 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 13: new Lexus, and he was clocked about eighty four miles 450 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 13: an hour in a forty five mile an hour zone. 451 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 13: According to the Sheriff's Department was arrested without incident. We're 452 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 13: now finding out today that he not only leveled some 453 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 13: what it can only be conceived as, or perceived as 454 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 13: what can only be perceived as anti semitic comments to 455 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 13: the officer, but also some pretty harassing, sexually harassing comments 456 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 13: to a female officer. So there's a lot more to 457 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 13: this story than meets the eye. 458 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at Extra mel Gibson ranting 459 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: anti Semitic slurs and sex slurs. But take a listen 460 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: to our friends at ABC. 461 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 14: An angry rant caught on tape. 462 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 10: You were evocatively dressed all the time in your fake books. 463 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 10: You feel you have to show off and tied out 464 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 10: and type panels. 465 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 14: Celebrity site Radar Online reports mel Gibson, unaware he was 466 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 14: being recorded, lashed out at his ex girlfriend and the 467 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 14: mother of his eight month old child, Oksana Grigoryeva. 468 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 11: I don't like it. 469 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 15: I don't want that woman, I don't want you. 470 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 14: His comments allegedly get worse, turning to racial slurs, which 471 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 14: new reports say led to the William Morris Talent Agency 472 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 14: dropping Gibson. Gibson's people say the split was mutual. 473 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so that was a fight with his girlfriend, the 474 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: mom of his child. The original bruhaha was about comments 475 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: he made while drunk driving. Of course, he's not the 476 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: only celebrity to misbehave and explode. It wouldn't be fair 477 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: not to manage mention Alec Baldwin with it are cut 478 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: thirteen from ABC Bike. 479 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 16: Taking his public blowouts with the press to a whole 480 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 16: new let. Trying to get into his car outside his 481 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 16: New York apartment on Friday with his wife and three 482 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 16: old baby, the famously hot tempered actor got in the 483 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 16: face of a female New York TV reporter, whom his 484 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 16: wife says hit her in the face with a microphone 485 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 16: a day earlier. 486 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: You're the one that. 487 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 9: Almost hit my wife with the microphone in the face. 488 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 15: I asked you a question, if you want to apologize 489 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 15: to it, I. 490 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 5: Asked your question. 491 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 16: Still fuming, Baldwin rings over nearby comps, demanding they take action. 492 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 9: I do want to press charges against her. 493 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 12: She assaulted my wife. 494 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 16: The ruckus didn't stop there, as Baldwin then bangs into 495 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 16: another car as he tries to leave his parking spot. 496 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: That's the tip of the iceberg right there. But I 497 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: want to get back to driving drunk and bad celebrity 498 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: behavior when they're already driving drunk and in Pulos's case, 499 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: two crashes sending one person to the hospital that we 500 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: know of with serious, serious injuries. Take a listen to 501 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: our friend Jim ray An inside edition the now infamous 502 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: incident regarding Heather Locklear, Heather, how are you doing? 503 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 12: The turmoil continues for troubled actress Heather Locklear. The former 504 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 12: Melrose Play star, shielded her face with a hoodie today 505 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 12: after being busted yet again. If any statement to make 506 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 12: it all, Miss Locklear. Locklear allegedly struck a cop and 507 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 12: a paramedic who were responding to a nine to one 508 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 12: one call out of her home Sunday night. 509 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 16: She was extremely intoxicated and at one point she actually 510 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 16: kicked a deputy, at which point she was arrested. 511 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 12: Locklear was released after posting twenty thousand dollars bail. She 512 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 12: said nothing as she left jail with her attorney. 513 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 4: We have no cop. 514 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 12: She was wearing flip flops and pajamas as she headed 515 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 12: to a car. 516 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. We can't forget that as 517 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: amt are trying to help her. The soap opera star 518 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: hit a firefighter and said, this is a four hundred 519 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: dollars fing shirt, apparently caring more about her overpriced shirt 520 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: than the well being of the crash victims. Wow, I 521 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: would have a field day in that closing argument. But 522 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: aside from my closing argument, my imaginary closing argument that 523 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: I would give if I was prosecuting this case, what 524 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: are the actual facts that we know? Why does everybody 525 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: have to get drunk and then attack the cop or 526 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: in Pulos's case, the firefighter. 527 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think at that point they can't 528 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 5: hide who they are because they're intoxicated. So again, when 529 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 5: you look at this behavior, it is a pattern they 530 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 5: repeat over and over. This isn't the first time they've 531 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 5: been intoxicated, this isn't the first time they've driven drunk. 532 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 5: And Nancy, the reality of this crime is we lose 533 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 5: thirteen thousand people a year to unk you know, drunk 534 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 5: driving crashes. There are one hundred percent preventable, And even 535 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 5: during this episode of your show, one person will be 536 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 5: killed due to an alcohol related driving incident. And it's preventable. 537 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 5: Now that we have lived, we have uber, we have 538 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 5: taxis we have. Hey, here's an idea. Stay home. You know, 539 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 5: you can drink all you want, you can party and 540 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 5: have the time of your life. Do not get behind 541 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 5: the wheel of a car, you know. 542 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: Jenna Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter for Dailymail dot Com. 543 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: It really wouldn't be fair when we're talking about celebrities 544 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: that get drunk and have crashes, or celebrities seeding off 545 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: their own stardom that believe they can mistreat all of us, 546 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: just regular people. Jen, take a listen to our cut nineteen. 547 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 15: Come an American. 548 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 17: You got me in my hotel, a regally in my hotels? 549 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 17: Are doing what sir? 550 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: Let's go, Joe, you really got this cuss on me? 551 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 5: Heavy bro, I'll. 552 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: Let me. 553 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 6: Oh listen, can we talk me and you? 554 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 17: No, we can't talk. 555 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 4: I'm not going to America. 556 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 17: Okay, my taxes get me off my arms, so we're. 557 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 5: Not gonna have a conversation. 558 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 4: No, you don't put these off. 559 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 5: My arms or you beeping. 560 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: You're hearing Shiah and he's not done yet. Take a listener. Friends, 561 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: at AP. 562 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 17: You at president, don't give it about you and you 563 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 17: stuck in a police force and. 564 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 4: Don't give me about you. 565 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 17: So you want to rest blood white people who get 566 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 17: who ask for cigarettes. I came up to you trying 567 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 17: to be nice. 568 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 15: You stupid. 569 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 17: I came up to you asking for a cigarette. You 570 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 17: don't what would ask for a cigarette if I was racist? 571 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 8: I'm stupid. 572 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 17: I was asking for a cigarette. 573 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: You said no. 574 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 17: I said a word, and then you were rest of me. 575 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 16: You've done. 576 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 17: They got cameras everywhere, you dummy. I got more millionaire 577 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 17: lawyers than you know what. 578 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 10: To do with you. 579 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 17: I'm from it, you dummy. 580 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well that's the way to get you a 581 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: cop on your side. To cuss him out, call him stupid. 582 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Jent Smith, what is wrong with shilabus? 583 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 4: I mean, this is just the classic cases. Don't you 584 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 4: know who I am? And is a thing we see 585 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 4: constantly with celebrities Shia Lahbluff, who knows what was going 586 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 4: on there? I mean quite clearly, that is a man 587 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: not in control of his faculties. But it's what we 588 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 4: see time and time again. We've heard of Shilah buff 589 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 4: alex Baldwyn mel Gibson alone. That's in the last five 590 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 4: minutes of this conversation. There are kindless examples, and you know, 591 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: is it because celebrities get to into a different stratosphere 592 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 4: of success and adoration and wealth where they think that 593 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 4: they're above the law, potentially in situations like this one 594 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 4: involving Haley Pulos. The crime itself do UI is tragically 595 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 4: not a rare one. Do U I have account for 596 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 4: thirty percent of all vehicle crashes in America. But the 597 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 4: difference here is when a celebrity is involved, they almost 598 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 4: seem to think that it can't possibly be their fault or. 599 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: That somehow they it should be excused. Like in this case, 600 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: the soap opera star Haley Pulos is instead of being 601 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: behind bars at a rehab a so called rehab in Malibu, 602 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: they can cost her thirty grand. You know, the guys 603 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: you're just listening to, some of them are technical legal 604 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: term POC's pieces of crap. But it's always a shocker 605 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: when it's somebody you think you really like. Take a 606 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: listen to our cut six from WSB. 607 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 18: It happened at this Walgreens. According to this police report, 608 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 18: Reese Witherspoon's husband was traveling northbound down Peatree Road when 609 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 18: he veered into another lane. This is where he was 610 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 18: pulled over. But what happened after that? Even with the 611 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 18: growing film scene here in Metro Atlanta, as residents around 612 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 18: here surprised. 613 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 19: According to this Department of Public Safety incident report, actress 614 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 19: Reese Witherspoon was a passenger. Her husband, Jim Toth, was 615 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 19: the driver and suspected of duy when pulled over twelve 616 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 19: forty Friday morning. The report state's forty two year old 617 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 19: Toth agreed to a field sobriety test and blew a 618 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 19: one point thirty nine on a breathalyzer. It was Witherspoon's actions, though, 619 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 19: during her husband's arrest that landed her behind bars too. 620 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: Oh yes, and we all love Reese Witherspoon. What got 621 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: into her? I'd say, a couple of glasses of wine. 622 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: Take a listen, Ralliam, What did I have to say 623 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: you today? 624 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 4: I know what's playing on? 625 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 15: Are you going to list? I'm a US citizen, I'm 626 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 15: allowed to stand on American. 627 00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: Question. 628 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 15: Want to ask you? 629 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 4: There not. 630 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 15: An American? To beyond beyond nothing? That's a lot you. 631 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 2: Order. 632 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: It brings to mind a friend of mine. He's dead now. 633 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin Randy Schapane was a rookie cop. We would 634 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 1: have coffee when he would show up for grand jury 635 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: and I was the a PD. He would tell me 636 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: all about his wife, they just got married, and how 637 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: they were starting a family and how love he was. 638 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: He did a routine traffic stop, and you hear, Witherspoon 639 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: can ply, why do I have to get in the car? 640 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: Why can't I stand here and argue with you? Well, 641 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: the guy that pulled over Sheapany, grabbed a gun and 642 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: shot him in the head dead. He said, license registration, 643 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: and that's the last thing he ever said. 644 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 10: Sure, that happens a lot. And let me tell you something. 645 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 10: You know, the officer is just trying to control the scene. 646 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 10: And when people keep coming up and they're intoxicated and 647 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 10: they're trying to be aggressive, and they're trying to they're 648 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 10: diverting the attention of the officer for his safety, and 649 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 10: he's turning his attention to the problem that just got 650 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 10: out of the car. I get it's reeth Witherspoon. I 651 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 10: get your celebrity. But unfortunately, bad things happen to people, 652 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 10: and this is why she went to jail. 653 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 8: Alcohol just brings. 654 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 10: Out the worst behavior in everybody. And you see it 655 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 10: in every single one of these celebrities. They're all intoxicated. 656 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: That wasn't all of it. Listen to the rest. 657 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 6: You know. 658 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: My name. 659 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 15: You don't need to know my name, not quite. You're 660 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 15: about to find out who I am. That's why I'm 661 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 15: not really lying about you, sir. But I've told you 662 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 15: how things work. You don't get up in my metroduction 663 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 15: episode Let's try, I do well good for we had 664 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 15: a mult. 665 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 5: Of all the structure ye really, I mean anti American 666 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 5: roads it down. 667 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 15: Wow, so interesting. 668 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: You know, it seems like it never ends with Reese Witherspoon. 669 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: No one was hurt, and the case we're discussing right now, 670 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: there were two crashes on the interstate. One victim serious, 671 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: serious bodily injuries, and she is bitching out the fire 672 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: people because she doesn't want them to somehow harm her 673 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: four hundred dollars blouse. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye's 674 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: height