Speaker 1: I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a brid Egg
Speaker 2: Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Fridagrida bride Egg, Lie,
Speaker 2: I'm about ready.
Speaker 3: To run off the golf course.
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 4: Frida Egg Podcast. We are here live at rich Harvis
Speaker 4: Farms for the National Championships, and we are joined by
Speaker 4: Lance Wrangler of Golf Week. Lance is, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of the head honto when it comes to college golf
Speaker 4: reporting and news.
Speaker 3: So Lance, welcome on.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Eddie So first said, you know, I think give the
Speaker 4: listeners a little bit about yourself and how you got
Speaker 4: into the college golf world and the golf world in general.
Speaker 2: Well, wow, it's been a shoot. It's been maybe twenty
Speaker 2: years now. I think I've been doing this. I think
Speaker 2: this is my eighteenth national championship. Basically, I coached college
Speaker 2: golf for two years at the University Idaho, then spent
Speaker 2: a year at Iowa State University. All after I spent
Speaker 2: two years out catting on the PGA Tour. Or season
Speaker 2: a half or so on the PGA Tour. So I
Speaker 2: just kind of jumped into golf right away. I was
Speaker 2: a basketball guy originally being from Bloomington, Indiana, but got
Speaker 2: involved with golf and then with Jeff Sagrin to create
Speaker 2: the Golf Week Saguran rankings, and from there just kind
Speaker 2: of snowballed into Golf Week and my roles and my
Speaker 2: title or position at Golf Week is evolved and kind
Speaker 2: of just a college of golf guy. So it's I
Speaker 2: enjoy it and it's a lot of fun, you know,
Speaker 2: being around the players before they get to that next level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I bet you got all you got if
Speaker 4: you went to a tour event, you'd be like a celebrity.
Speaker 1: Well, I see.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I've been to a few and I
Speaker 2: and it's interesting to see how they have changed. Some
Speaker 2: of the guys are very cordial and open and go
Speaker 2: out of their way and and and talk to you,
Speaker 2: and the other guys just kind of nod their head,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's a because it's been a lot
Speaker 2: of them, you know, going all the way back to
Speaker 2: you know, shoot, when Billy Horschell was in college. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think when we really hit the scene hard,
Speaker 2: probably about two thousand five ish or six ish in
Speaker 2: that area is when we were doing our our Golf
Speaker 2: week TV dot com. And I used to have my
Speaker 2: daily video show off campus with Lance Ringler that we did,
Speaker 2: you know, from two thousand and seven eight nine, So
Speaker 2: you know, we were way ahead of the curve with video.
Speaker 1: Now we should we really need to be doing that again.
Speaker 2: But uh and I was doing a show every day
Speaker 2: all during the spring and fall season, so I got to.
Speaker 1: Went to a lot of events. So yeah, there'd be
Speaker 1: a few out there for sure.
Speaker 4: Who who's your favorite guy, whether they're in college golf
Speaker 4: now or out on tour that you or not on tour,
Speaker 4: you know, they could be on uh yeah, on the
Speaker 4: web or on Canadians.
Speaker 1: You just mean of guys who were court you know.
Speaker 3: Like you know a few favorite guys.
Speaker 2: I would say Brian Harmon was one of the guys
Speaker 2: that was, you know, he was real good in college,
Speaker 2: real down to earth. And then yeah, and then when
Speaker 2: when I when I've seen him a few times when
Speaker 2: I've been to like the Greenbriarn such, he's just super guy.
Speaker 2: I'd say he's right at the top of the list.
Speaker 2: You know, Ricky was always good. Even I haven't seen
Speaker 2: Ricky in a few years now, but he was super
Speaker 2: in college. And I did see him one time when
Speaker 2: he was out there and very cordial and and uh
Speaker 2: Ricky Follery that is, he's one of the guys in golf.
Speaker 3: You can go by one day, but not Ricky Barnes.
Speaker 1: No, not Ricky Barnes.
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't really have a problem Ricky Barnes.
Speaker 2: Just you know, just when we say Ricky, you know,
Speaker 2: we know when we're when we're talking basketball, when we
Speaker 2: say Michael, we know we're talking about But yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's it's fun. I'd like to get out to a
Speaker 2: few more pro events here and there, but you know,
Speaker 2: I like to.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, that's great. So you mentioned you were on
Speaker 4: a bag for a year and a half. Yeah, who
Speaker 4: do you look?
Speaker 1: Mainly Craig Bowden.
Speaker 2: Craig Bowden was I think he had his tour card
Speaker 2: maybe off and on about four times.
Speaker 3: Is he Is he a college coach?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: No, no, No, he works for He's a a KBS
Speaker 2: KBS Shafts tour rep.
Speaker 1: He just a short hitter.
Speaker 2: But you know, Craig people always marveled at Craig how
Speaker 2: he made so much money or was able to stay
Speaker 2: out there. I think he won two or three times
Speaker 2: on the Nike Tour, web dot com, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call it.
Speaker 1: He just didn't hit it very far.
Speaker 4: You know, you bring up distance being out here this week,
Speaker 4: I mean all these kids, Yeah, just bombit. Have you
Speaker 4: seen like a seismic change in the last say five years,
Speaker 4: Like when when was there just a flip that?
Speaker 1: That's a great question.
Speaker 2: I actually wrote a story last year, a little column
Speaker 2: at Eugene about the type of kids were seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it changed definitely for my time. When I was
Speaker 1: falling in college golf in the late eighties.
Speaker 2: To probably the right around two thousand, you started to
Speaker 2: see kids that didn't look like golfers. I always say
Speaker 2: that there was a year, and I think it might
Speaker 2: have been the year Texas A and M won the
Speaker 2: national championship at Inverness. That team, a few of those
Speaker 2: players look like middle linebackers. And then you know they
Speaker 2: they had a knack for having you know, three four
Speaker 2: kids that just if they were standing in the weight room,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have thought they were golfers. And that goes
Speaker 2: a lot of teams have guys like that. So yes,
Speaker 2: there's definitely been a change in the type of athletes.
Speaker 2: I mean when they're walking around out here, you don't
Speaker 2: see many kids.
Speaker 1: That don't look athletic. They're athletic looking kids, and they
Speaker 1: do they hit it, they hit.
Speaker 2: It, they pound it, and then they just go get it.
Speaker 2: They don't there's not a point a point B game.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: I mean I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 2: There's still you know, there's course management stuff, but they
Speaker 2: ain't afraid to just rip it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's you know, one of my big takeaways
Speaker 4: from this week is how these kids are. But then also,
Speaker 4: like he talked to these kids, in their schedule, I mean,
Speaker 4: they're their daily schedules. These kids, you know, there are
Speaker 4: professional golfers who go to a couple hours of class
Speaker 4: a day, and you know, they.
Speaker 3: Work and they are working their tails.
Speaker 4: Off because they obviously are you know, they're going to class,
Speaker 4: their studying, and but the you know, listening to them
Speaker 4: talk about how they do. You know, they have body work.
Speaker 4: You know, they get they're always making sure that their.
Speaker 3: Body is right.
Speaker 4: They're working out, and then they're spending four or five
Speaker 4: hours a day practicing. I mean, I imagine that this this
Speaker 4: whole aspect of the game has changed dramatically.
Speaker 2: We can thank Tiger Woods for that, I mean because seriously,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure if we would have saw
Speaker 2: that movement. We probably would have eventually, but he changed that.
Speaker 2: He you know, he was a game changer. He's like
Speaker 2: Wilt Chamberlain, you know, in basketball. I mean, he changed
Speaker 2: the way people approach the way they play golf, the
Speaker 2: way they prepare for golf.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what these kids do now.
Speaker 2: I mean back in the day, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: college teams maybe in the eighties, I don't know if
Speaker 2: all of them had the strength the strength programs, the
Speaker 2: you know, the water workouts, the yoga, the stretching. The
Speaker 2: stuff that they do now is very much part and
Speaker 2: it used to be just kind of an elective thing.
Speaker 2: Now it's very much part of their daily routine. And
Speaker 2: it carries over into the pro pro tours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's just a launching pad.
Speaker 4: And obviously we're seeing with like John Rahm and a
Speaker 4: lot of more young guys making an impact quicker on tour,
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 4: with the development and the way these kids prepare out here,
Speaker 4: you know, getting ready with the programs.
Speaker 3: You know, these kids are hitting the ground running. They
Speaker 3: they kind of.
Speaker 4: Know what to, you know, how to you know, their
Speaker 4: lives are now a lot on the road. They're traveling there,
Speaker 4: they're starting to learn how to balance life on the road.
Speaker 4: Obviously they're in a team setting, but you know that
Speaker 4: it's it's these kids treat this game like professionals due
Speaker 4: to a certain extent. So you know, for the people
Speaker 4: that are a little bit maybe less uh in the weeds,
Speaker 4: like uh me and not so much me compared to you,
Speaker 4: Like who are you know, maybe uh three or four
Speaker 4: names that everybody.
Speaker 3: Should know on the college golf circuit.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it starts with Maverickmeally. You know, he's the
Speaker 2: one kid who's been around a while, you know, senior
Speaker 2: now at Stanford. He's the kid who you know, followed
Speaker 2: in the footsteps of Patrick Rodgers and and and the
Speaker 2: kid that you know you expect to be out there
Speaker 2: at some point whether or not.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always been a lot of Tobacca.
Speaker 2: If he's even gonna turn pro just because he's I
Speaker 2: guess he's just so smart. He could just jump into
Speaker 2: the real world and and change people's lives. But uh,
Speaker 2: he's he's the one kid. Obviously, Sam Burns is a tremendous,
Speaker 2: tremendous talent. Uh, if you've had a chance to watch
Speaker 2: him play, he's one that we're expecting to announce he's
Speaker 2: gonna be turning pro after the championship or at least
Speaker 2: sometime this summer.
Speaker 1: He's he's one.
Speaker 2: The other thing, I'm not sure that we we're gonna
Speaker 2: see a lot of the this this class jump right
Speaker 2: out there. There's there's a few more players in the
Speaker 2: Wyndham Clark obviously he's been up there that had a good,
Speaker 2: tremendous year. There's there's some kids that I that haven't
Speaker 2: played as well as I thought they might have. But
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how deep this class is really, you know.
Speaker 2: But but there's always going to be a few names.
Speaker 2: And then there's always the names. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: j T. Poston, who's out there now? You know the kids, like,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a kid or two that come out
Speaker 2: of this group somewhere down the line that that pop
Speaker 2: out there and and turn heads and get and play well.
Speaker 3: So you know, JT.
Speaker 4: Post is one of my favorite stories of the rookies
Speaker 4: on tour just because he you know, he went under recruited.
Speaker 4: He ended up winning the state championships. Then he got recruited,
Speaker 4: but he'd already signed with with Western Carolina, and you know,
Speaker 4: he became the first kid in Western Carolina history to
Speaker 4: make it to the NCAA's right, So, who would you
Speaker 4: say is kind of of these players, like maybe a
Speaker 4: guy that goes to a smaller school that you wouldn't
Speaker 4: be surprised to see make it out on tour.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one because that's so hard to predict.
Speaker 2: I remember I used to. I used to every year
Speaker 2: at the end of the year, I'd come up with
Speaker 2: a list of names of like, you know, five or
Speaker 2: six guys that I thought we can't miss kids. And
Speaker 2: I remember looking back, I haven't done it in a while,
Speaker 2: but I remember looking back at that list and I
Speaker 2: was like, huh, and none of those kids have made it.
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's really really hard to predict. I mean,
Speaker 2: especially when you start digging down deep. The first kid
Speaker 2: that will jump out in that from a small school
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if he's a small name but
Speaker 2: Dawson Armstrong, you know, he's the first kid.
Speaker 1: He kind of fits that bill. He fits that bill
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Of those kids, you know, like a JT post, And
Speaker 2: so that would probably be.
Speaker 1: The one kid everyone would kind of look at it.
Speaker 1: Who's who's playing college golf?
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, Dawson Armstrong. So he plays at lipscumb You know,
Speaker 4: what's the story?
Speaker 3: Why did he You.
Speaker 1: Know, I think it was the same thing. I think
Speaker 1: he was a little bit underrecruited.
Speaker 2: And I'm not exactly sure on why he ended up
Speaker 2: at Lipscomb, but I mean I'm assuming it was underrecruited.
Speaker 2: And and you know, and a lot of kids they
Speaker 2: hit their peaks different times. I mean, a lot of
Speaker 2: kids end up get getting to college and they don't
Speaker 2: pan out either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew three inches in college and now a
Speaker 4: sudden hit the ball for forty yards further as a
Speaker 4: different player, exactly.
Speaker 3: So you know, in today's today's a pivotal day.
Speaker 4: They were cutting to top fifteen, and then tomorrow we
Speaker 4: cut to the top eight. You know, a lot of
Speaker 4: the big favorites have moved up and into position. A
Speaker 4: few you know, like you know, Stanford is probably the
Speaker 4: biggest surprise out outside the top fifteen.
Speaker 3: You know, what are your big takeaways from the tournament
Speaker 3: so far?
Speaker 2: I think if we just talk about the biggest headline
Speaker 2: right now, I think is the fact that these kids
Speaker 2: are are scoring so well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably the best.
Speaker 2: Sometimes in golf, unlike other sports, the golf course becomes
Speaker 2: the story, and it happens all the time in the Major,
Speaker 2: especially early on in the week, until we get to
Speaker 2: the day when they actually crown the champion.
Speaker 1: I think so far, I think the story has really
Speaker 1: been the golf course.
Speaker 2: I mean, because it was so so difficult during the
Speaker 2: women's event. And I still don't think that they they
Speaker 2: failed on the setup on the women, even though they've
Speaker 2: probably played the par threes collectively too long. They probably
Speaker 2: could have done some few things with some te location.
Speaker 2: There's some t spots and some whole locations to make
Speaker 2: it easier.
Speaker 1: I still will say that.
Speaker 2: I think that the conditions were the biggest reason for
Speaker 2: the high scoring for the women. But for the men,
Speaker 2: I think what happened, and I could be a little
Speaker 2: bit off on this, they could have had a lot
Speaker 2: of this set prior to coming here because they were
Speaker 2: afraid it was going to be so difficult. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what all we talked about. The rough's going to
Speaker 2: be high, the greens are going to be fast. They're
Speaker 2: small greens for some of the clubs.
Speaker 1: That you have in your hand.
Speaker 2: I think the NCAA committee wisely aired on let's see
Speaker 2: some red numbers.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at these scores. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: you just look at you know. I wouldn't have I.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Andy, I would have thought that there might only
Speaker 2: been one or two teams under par at this point
Speaker 2: in time in the tournament. And that is probably the
Speaker 2: biggest story right now, is that there their place. Well,
Speaker 2: I would have thought that today they would have tightened
Speaker 2: the screws a little bit, done some things to make
Speaker 2: it a little more difficult.
Speaker 4: But I mean the flags were in tough positions today.
Speaker 4: I was out there, and I mean like it was
Speaker 4: really impressive. I mean, Rico Joe he had at seven
Speaker 4: under through eleven, he almost was eight. I mean he
Speaker 4: just missed the eagle butt. But you know, I think
Speaker 4: the biggest thing, and we see it week in week
Speaker 4: out on the PGA Tour, is that when the golf
Speaker 4: course is soft, you know this place has taken a
Speaker 4: lot of rain, which you know, it makes the fairways soft,
Speaker 4: so they're easier to hit. You can be a little
Speaker 4: bit more aggressive off the team because these fairways that
Speaker 4: your ball's not bounding through into the rough. And then
Speaker 4: also likewise on the greens, they're very receptive. You know,
Speaker 4: these the when the conditions are soft, every golf course
Speaker 4: gets lit up now on on tour. I mean even
Speaker 4: to extent of Oakmont had record low scores last year
Speaker 4: because of how soft it was, So you know this,
Speaker 4: I think that plays a part in it. But also
Speaker 4: I do agree like they haven't played all the tea's back,
Speaker 4: which is you know, really good, you know outside of
Speaker 4: you know, the seventeenth hole. No hole is really just
Speaker 4: you know, maybe the seventeenth hole might be the whole
Speaker 4: of any hole I've ever seen with more just massive
Speaker 4: numbers from from guys high on the leader board.
Speaker 1: It's the seventeenth hole. I mean, I I mean.
Speaker 2: I coached for three years, I caddied for a couple.
Speaker 2: I could be crazy and I say this, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I'd play this hole. I would not hit driver.
Speaker 1: Off the tee. I'd put in the fairway.
Speaker 2: I would literally wedge it to another spot, and then
Speaker 2: from that spot I would wedge it back onto the
Speaker 2: green and try to make four that way. If not,
Speaker 2: I'm walking out of there with a five. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I mean going going at it from two hundred,
Speaker 2: from one eighty to two ten.
Speaker 1: There's there's little room for air on that hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and I I think, you know, in match play,
Speaker 2: that's seventeen eighteen is going to be a heck of.
Speaker 1: A finish because you have well, he's starting the sixteen.
Speaker 5: Even fifteen fifteen is not playing. When we actually played
Speaker 5: the other fifteen, I thought was going to be a
Speaker 5: much more difficult hole for them. What it is, it's yeah,
Speaker 5: it's and there's enough room.
Speaker 3: From the water to the green.
Speaker 2: So really starting sixteen seventeen eighteen, that could be that
Speaker 2: could be an electric finish in match play.
Speaker 4: Getting through that stretch one or two under pars is
Speaker 4: just unbelievable playing.
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting. You know, I was watching Nick Hardy today.
Speaker 4: He birdied, made a great birdie on sixteen, and then
Speaker 4: he he powered seventeen, and then he gets to eighteen
Speaker 4: and sure enough he gets caught on the downslope and
Speaker 4: he makes an eight.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like.
Speaker 4: That you thought he got through the tough part one under. Oh,
Speaker 4: he's going to finish two under. It's going to be
Speaker 4: a heck of a finish, ends up making an eight.
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the things with this golf
Speaker 4: course is that as soon as you lose your focus
Speaker 4: or get out of position and make a you know,
Speaker 4: an aggressive play from out of position, you bring in
Speaker 4: double triple, quadruple bogie, even on almost any hole out here,
Speaker 4: which is it? You know, that's what this leaderboard can
Speaker 4: change so rapidly as they look to go from now
Speaker 4: fifteen teams down to eighteen. So you know, as it stands,
Speaker 4: you know, Vanderbilts in the lead at eighteen under, and
Speaker 4: then you know there is some bunch up until I'd say,
Speaker 4: what do you say Florida State at twelve, which is
Speaker 4: they're in twelfth place at flour under, right, and all
Speaker 4: these teams are kind of fighting for this top eight
Speaker 4: position to make into match play. You know, who would
Speaker 4: you say of the teams currently out that you expect
Speaker 4: to get into this top eight.
Speaker 1: That's a tough question.
Speaker 2: I just wrote my column today two years ago at
Speaker 2: the Concession No teams from the top eight went into
Speaker 2: the top for no teams from nine to fifteen went
Speaker 2: into the top eight.
Speaker 1: But last year we had three teams.
Speaker 2: The difference last year from ninth place to fifteenth place
Speaker 2: was just nine shots. We're gonna see a little bit
Speaker 2: wider gap this year, probably more like fifteen shots from
Speaker 2: all the way down. But you know wherever, you know,
Speaker 2: if pepperdine and you see f for those final two teams,
Speaker 2: there's that's gonna be a tough task for them tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oregon's definitely got the firepower. I'd say, you go all
Speaker 2: the way down to Oregon with a really good round,
Speaker 2: you know, but after the Florida State text LSU that, yeah,
Speaker 2: they could all jump up in there, all burned data,
Speaker 2: had a bad day to day. They've been playing really well,
Speaker 2: qualifying out of West Lafiette Regional Gate here, so you
Speaker 2: know that they can, especially like you said, if it's soft,
Speaker 2: if it continues to stay soft, but it should be
Speaker 2: drying up a little bit. But you know, it all
Speaker 2: takes us one good round from somebody. Somebody goes out
Speaker 2: and shoots you know, ten twelve under, they'll probably jump
Speaker 2: up the boarder a lot.
Speaker 4: So it's in terms of kind of who your favorite
Speaker 4: teams out here, like you know, like what which teams
Speaker 4: are you know, would you say you know if you.
Speaker 3: Were gonna I know you don't like to make any.
Speaker 4: Preditions on the match play stuff, but like who's your
Speaker 4: who's your team that you you look at and say,
Speaker 4: you know, this is the team I think is gonna
Speaker 4: put it to put it all together.
Speaker 2: Well, you're still it's tough, Andy. I mean, Vanderbilt is
Speaker 2: really good. They're really good one to five. They I
Speaker 2: think that they play a little bit. They're gonna be
Speaker 2: a little tight, honestly, do They've they've not had a
Speaker 2: lot of success in match play. I think that they're
Speaker 2: a tight but I just don't know how they'll perform.
Speaker 2: I like Oklahoma. They're a loose bunch.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Last year was the first year they made it into
Speaker 2: match play. They got in in the eighth spot after
Speaker 2: a heck of a round last year in the final
Speaker 2: round at Eugene, they shot I believe the lowest round
Speaker 2: of the next to lowest round of the day to
Speaker 2: get in.
Speaker 1: I like Oklahoma. You know, v has been a quiet
Speaker 1: team all year, bit sneaky, so I actually I actually
Speaker 1: picked the.
Speaker 2: UNLB and Oklahoma to make it into my top eight.
Speaker 2: So those two teams don't surprise me. Uh, USC is good.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they're the one team that if they
Speaker 2: do have an advantage coming into match play this year,
Speaker 2: just with what they've went through the last two year,
Speaker 2: they should have won a title in one of those
Speaker 2: last two years.
Speaker 1: Probably should have won a title. So you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be tough.
Speaker 2: And in Illinois, I mean, I honestly I didn't expect
Speaker 2: this out of Illinois this week, you know, and.
Speaker 1: People can talk all along. I mean, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: If I have somebody out there following me around, Andy
Speaker 2: Cherny for me, might go playing better?
Speaker 1: I mean probably not. Yeah, I mean you know, so
Speaker 1: sure can it lift you? Can you give you some confidence? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Their elite players, they've got people cheering for them. I
Speaker 2: don't put a lot of stock into home crowds in golf. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we put Northwestern. We talked about that last week. Look,
Speaker 2: they didn't have big crowds out here. That the first
Speaker 2: couple of days, they didn't have anybody watching.
Speaker 1: There was nobody out here. It was forty degrees.
Speaker 2: They played well because They're a good team and they
Speaker 2: were familiar with the environment. And that's why Illinois the
Speaker 2: same thing. They're a good team, they're playing well. They've
Speaker 2: caught a high right now. I don't think that to
Speaker 2: this point that the crowd has really given them that
Speaker 2: much of an edge now in match. I think it
Speaker 2: could because we've seen it in Ryder Cup situations when
Speaker 2: you get a crowd going. I'll tell you what, I'm
Speaker 2: really impressed with the Illinois crowd because of the way
Speaker 2: that they're very golf knowledgeable. It seems like last year
Speaker 2: in Oregon they didn't. They weren't very they.
Speaker 1: Were very nice.
Speaker 2: Like when when Texas and Illinois hit shots that were good,
Speaker 2: they didn't clap.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of like.
Speaker 2: But today I've seen the Illinois fans really cheer on
Speaker 2: the other teams.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I mean, it has a lot to do with the
Speaker 4: Illinois and Chicago being one of the great golf city.
Speaker 3: True, you know, obviously like Chicago.
Speaker 4: The game kind of started in Chicago for in America,
Speaker 4: so I think you're you're in one of the golf
Speaker 4: because of the of the states the.
Speaker 2: Real quickly, just looking at the leader board, Oklahoma State
Speaker 2: and Baylor and the sixth and who who the heck
Speaker 2: would want to play those guys.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, I mean.
Speaker 3: They're they've got the best.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's six shots out of lead and they're unbelievable.
Speaker 3: And they were the best five started five rank wise.
Speaker 2: And Baylor they I mean, they're I would not want
Speaker 2: to be I would not want to be the three
Speaker 2: or four or either two or three and have to
Speaker 2: play Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: State or Baylor.
Speaker 4: Just you know, Virginia Jimmy Stanger or Stangers, He's I've
Speaker 4: watched him play some poles.
Speaker 3: He's really impressed me.
Speaker 4: I don't know, he's got to be one of the
Speaker 4: best ten players in college.
Speaker 1: Jimmy said, yeah, he had a phenomenal fall. Derek Bard too.
Speaker 2: They have two and they have a third. They have
Speaker 2: a couple that they could they could get some things
Speaker 2: done too.
Speaker 3: So you know, they're they're they're a little light at
Speaker 3: the back end.
Speaker 4: I feel like that that's really where and obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: like it's where the kind of separates the truly elite
Speaker 4: teams like the Oklahoma States, the Southern Cols, the you know,
Speaker 4: Vandy's are kind of almost like a clear echelon of
Speaker 4: they've got five.
Speaker 3: Really, there's no question marks in those lineups.
Speaker 1: No, And then that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you go, you keep going down and he
Speaker 2: got Texas is good, they'll be good.
Speaker 1: Four to State can play Oregon.
Speaker 2: I mean there are It's like we've said all season long,
Speaker 2: you can go about fourteen to fifteen deep, and we're
Speaker 2: seeing we're seeing it this week, and there's gonna be
Speaker 2: a couple of really good golf teams left out of
Speaker 2: match play tomorrow. And I think this year's match play
Speaker 2: could be if you get any one of those eight teams,
Speaker 2: just like the last couple years, any one of those
Speaker 2: eight teams can win, maybe even more so than what
Speaker 2: we've seen in the past.
Speaker 4: So in terms of kind of surprises, is there is
Speaker 4: there anybody that's surprising you on this list?
Speaker 3: Out side? I know you said Illinois, but outside of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not. It's
Speaker 2: not like Illinois is a big seek. I mean, I
Speaker 2: just didn't expect them to play as well as I
Speaker 2: thought they would be fighting more to get into that
Speaker 2: top eight, and they still got a round to go.
Speaker 2: But I mean, the biggest surprise to me, really is
Speaker 2: probably Can't State. I thought Kn't State would not and
Speaker 2: I didn't. I did pick them to make it into
Speaker 2: the top eight.
Speaker 1: It's not a use. I just thought they'd be a
Speaker 1: little bit more in Yeah. But other than that, no,
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's not a lot of surprises.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I mean. Kent State.
Speaker 4: I picked them as one of my sleepers too, and
Speaker 4: I you know, I getting to see that team. You know,
Speaker 4: you think Ken State and most people are probably going
Speaker 4: to say, oh, it's small school, right, this is a
Speaker 4: legitimate school, like in those kids when you talk about
Speaker 4: seeing kids that don't look like golfers. I don't know
Speaker 4: if there's a school a team that typifies them more
Speaker 4: and they all those kids just smash it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing about Kent State is this is one
Speaker 2: of her pages better teams that he's had. Maybe I
Speaker 2: don't want to say ever, I'd have to go to
Speaker 2: do some research on that, but this is definitely one
Speaker 2: of his better teams. So I'm a little surprised on
Speaker 2: that a lot of people are going to talk about
Speaker 2: Stanford missing. But I'll tell you what, Andy, you go
Speaker 2: look at the results. Stanford's not like they've been real
Speaker 2: good in the postseason here, you know, they so you know,
Speaker 2: you just let the results speak from self. They it's
Speaker 2: a program that that expects, has high expectations, and they've
Speaker 2: they've missed a few times here lately.
Speaker 4: It seems like all year long kind of and it
Speaker 4: goes this whole storyline is like the back half of
Speaker 4: that lineup all year was when they were on, they
Speaker 4: were good when they weren't, you know, And that's where
Speaker 4: you know, the interesting thing about you know, college golf,
Speaker 4: and you know, when we look at like a bigger
Speaker 4: landscape view is like you know, putting together team championships,
Speaker 4: like it's really hard to get five.
Speaker 3: Four guys playing well all at once.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, in terms of this for
Speaker 4: the Olympics, like why didn't this happen for the Olympics?
Speaker 2: That's major, major, colossal with In fact, when I first
Speaker 2: heard about the format for the Olympics, I I didn't
Speaker 2: believe it. I mean, I'm like and I yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. The format for the Olympics was bad. I
Speaker 2: mean team golf is yeah, I don't even know, it's
Speaker 2: just bad. I don't even know what else to say
Speaker 2: about that. I can't believe that they they didn't go
Speaker 2: more of that route, honestly. Yeah, And it's not like
Speaker 2: they didn't have any knowledge of it. I mean they
Speaker 2: seen the Ryder Cup. They've seen you know, how team
Speaker 2: golf works in certain situations, and I think in an
Speaker 2: Olympic setting, team golf would have been fantastic.
Speaker 4: Do you think there could be ever potential and for
Speaker 4: an alumni like event for professionals like this.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of tinkering around with with some things, trying.
Speaker 1: To make something happen with.
Speaker 2: Professionals and current players. But you know, a few years ago,
Speaker 2: Eric Sodastruman myself, Eric was worked at Golf Week. He's
Speaker 2: now works for Titleists. We talked about doing a We
Speaker 2: were going to write a column and do a big
Speaker 2: thing and talk about a professional golf league, and we
Speaker 2: were going to come up with, you know, ten to
Speaker 2: twelve cities, and we were gonna come up with nicknames
Speaker 2: and they would have it actually have a draft, actually
Speaker 2: have a draft and have just make this mock PGA
Speaker 2: league with cities and confis and stuff.
Speaker 1: So that would be cool. Yeah. Do I think it'll
Speaker 1: maybe one off of it? I don't see it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's just too you can't get there's too much money involved.
Speaker 2: There's these guys and their agents and their teams and
Speaker 2: you know, their their schedules. Probably not unless it's like
Speaker 2: a hashtag spring Break twenty nineteen and six guys just
Speaker 2: go goof around.
Speaker 4: I don't ever see any official I think it would
Speaker 4: be cool to see, I you know, being this format
Speaker 4: I think is really great because you know, what you
Speaker 4: see is is that you know, like you can have
Speaker 4: an individual lighting it up, but like if if one
Speaker 4: of his teammates who was a counting score makes an eight,
Speaker 4: all So's, it completely changes the landscape of the team.
Speaker 4: It's a very very cool event. So so coverage is
Speaker 4: on tomorrow. You know, Sam, my first time college golf viewer,
Speaker 4: tuneing in. What should I be kind of watching for?
Speaker 4: What should I you know, what what are some basic
Speaker 4: things I should know tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Well, just just I mean what you're watching for. What's
Speaker 2: exciting about is what you just hit on. It's just
Speaker 2: a team.
Speaker 1: Aspect of college.
Speaker 2: You know, so many people view golf as an individual sport,
Speaker 2: and in this setting you'll see a lot of kids
Speaker 2: looking back at the teammates, fist pumping, coaches, you know,
Speaker 2: running back and forth, you know, helping, giving information on
Speaker 2: bas based on what they saw from the previous player
Speaker 2: that played the whole just just.
Speaker 1: Just the team aspects.
Speaker 2: Probably what would be the most different if you're used
Speaker 2: to watching a PJ Tour event, it's it's the it's
Speaker 2: the way that they'll interact and the way they're playing
Speaker 2: for their team. And you don't see that in an
Speaker 2: individual golf when you're watching a PJ Tour event.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a that's a good one.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's infectious. I think if if your
Speaker 4: school is anywhere near the hunt, you got it. It's
Speaker 4: a must tune in. I think that's that's the cool
Speaker 4: thing and brings a lot of casual into it.
Speaker 3: So tell me, if if you.
Speaker 4: Could make one change to to college golf in general,
Speaker 4: what would it be.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. There's a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean that question was probably really easier, uh several
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: Before we started tinkering with the formats and doing things.
Speaker 2: But if there if I was commissioner for a day,
Speaker 2: I would The thing I would change immediately was I
Speaker 2: would I would? I would come up with some sort
Speaker 2: of format. There has to be. We have to standardize
Speaker 2: college golf.
Speaker 1: We can't.
Speaker 2: Allow all these different formats. I mean, when you watch
Speaker 2: a college football game, you know what it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be four quarters, fifteen minute, four quarters, that's
Speaker 2: what it's gonna be. When you watch a college basketball game,
Speaker 2: you know it's gonna be two twenty minute halfs. I'm
Speaker 2: sure when there's a baseball our softball game seven innies,
Speaker 2: nine innings, there there is, there's standardized formats to it,
Speaker 2: and you don't change the way it's scored. It's always
Speaker 2: you know, a three pointers, always three points, a touchdowns,
Speaker 2: always six in an extra point. In college golf, you
Speaker 2: might see a thirty six hole event. You might see
Speaker 2: an event where there's six players count five. You might
Speaker 2: see an event where all five players play together instead
Speaker 2: of and it's just and while while each one of
Speaker 2: those events, they're doing the same thing in that event,
Speaker 2: but that has direct conflict with everything else that's going on.
Speaker 2: For example, when California had their tremendous year a few
Speaker 2: years ago, I think they won two, maybe three, but
Speaker 2: definitely two six count five events. Well, they had a
Speaker 2: they have a better six player than a lot of players.
Speaker 2: So when you add that element to it, that's like saying,
Speaker 2: you know, we're not What if you played a basketball
Speaker 2: game it took the three pointer away.
Speaker 1: You'd have some different winners. Both you would have, you
Speaker 1: would have some different winners.
Speaker 2: So college golf, it's when you think about it, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: and it's crazy that you'll count an eighteen hole event
Speaker 2: when that would that's like playing a quarter and a
Speaker 2: half in football. It's just it's ludicrous that it counts
Speaker 2: and it goes into the system because we all know
Speaker 2: that in eighteen holes, I might. I might one day,
Speaker 2: in eighteen holes be able to beat you Andy.
Speaker 1: Doubtful, but I might.
Speaker 2: You could get squarely and I could go out there
Speaker 2: and see I can shoot a seventy eight maybe, and
Speaker 2: you could give squarely and I could beat you. But
Speaker 2: we know that if you and I played fifty four holes,
Speaker 2: I'm not beating you. I'm just not doing it. That's
Speaker 2: just and that's what needs it. That's that's a big issue.
Speaker 2: I think in Ta Joe and I don't think they
Speaker 2: realize how big of an issue it is deeply until
Speaker 2: because there's all of a sudden there's getting in regionals
Speaker 2: because you have such a fine line between teams that
Speaker 2: are ranked seventy fifth and teams that are ranked fiftieth,
Speaker 2: and some of that squirrely stuff in there that you know,
Speaker 2: just stand and it's easy to standardize the format, say
Speaker 2: thirty minimum of thirty six holes to be ranked, to
Speaker 2: be a ranked event, maximum of fifty four holes, and
Speaker 2: everything has to be five count four everything.
Speaker 1: What about play, well, I don't they shouldn't count.
Speaker 2: Actually, I mean this is fun and exciting and everything
Speaker 2: and whatever, but we all know the number one team,
Speaker 2: number one seed, whoever's won the stroke play has never
Speaker 2: won and in all the time since two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: and now the women again, it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: North Northwestern was number one seed. They didn't win.
Speaker 2: That being said, Arizona State was the number one team
Speaker 2: in the country in the Golf League rankings. They weren't
Speaker 2: golf staff, but they weren't golf weak and they did win.
Speaker 2: And we have seen the number one team win in
Speaker 2: men's golf and Texas once I think Alabama did it once,
Speaker 2: but they didn't win the stroke play that year.
Speaker 3: So do you think there should be a stroke play
Speaker 3: champions Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: There is, there is what happens tomorrow, It really is.
Speaker 1: I mean I think there's no you know, there's no trophy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like I'm an aline I fan. I mean
Speaker 3: I went to Illinois.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know we've won the individual, but we
Speaker 4: haven't won the team. And to me, it's like you
Speaker 4: we we won the stroke. Yeah, like that is every
Speaker 4: shot count. Yeah, that is the real championship to a
Speaker 4: certain extent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah it should. I mean i'd also,
Speaker 1: I mean I liked I like watching the match play.
Speaker 1: I like the headhead. I mean i'd like, I'd like,
Speaker 1: why not make all of college golf match play? Just
Speaker 1: do away with stroke play? It never happened.
Speaker 3: That's the way they do it in England.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just do away with it completely. Had think about
Speaker 1: the schedules, it'd be so cool.
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna I've already got to figured out
Speaker 2: I need to write this column this summer. But you know,
Speaker 2: instead of having you know, say, say you got a
Speaker 2: tournament like Southern Highlands out in Vegas. So instead of
Speaker 2: inviting fifteen teams and you only invite six and you
Speaker 2: play each team plays two matches a day. Within the
Speaker 2: last day, they play one match. So at the end
Speaker 2: of the tournament, you've played five head to heads. So
Speaker 2: and it's a round robin deal. So if you go
Speaker 2: five and oh, you've won the tournament. And now now
Speaker 2: the standings and the rankings you now have, you know
Speaker 2: you might have you might have Vanderbilt ranked number one
Speaker 2: in the country with a record of twenty seven and six. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's cool, it is and that would be neat and
Speaker 2: every match, and it would change the dynamics of college
Speaker 2: Go if you would have teams. Now, now you get
Speaker 2: that team like Illinois State or Bradley in the Missouri
Speaker 2: Valley and they go in and play Vanderbilt on a weekend,
Speaker 2: or Georgia and they get a win.
Speaker 1: I mean, now you you know, it's the great equalizer.
Speaker 1: It'd be cool. It'd be really cool.
Speaker 3: It would like basketball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's absolutely.
Speaker 2: And then think about a sixty four team tournament, you know,
Speaker 2: he bring you know, you have your regionals, if you
Speaker 2: have four teams go to I mean we've tinkered around
Speaker 2: with it before, but you know, basically have four regional
Speaker 2: side sixteen teams there and say the top four from
Speaker 2: the regional advances to the National Championship where now you
Speaker 2: have sixteen teams, so it's sweet sixteen instead of just
Speaker 2: bringing four teams in.
Speaker 4: And it'd be cool, it'd be really neat, it'd be interesting.
Speaker 4: It's a that's an interesting idea. I love mash play
Speaker 4: and it would actually change the dynamic though of how
Speaker 4: these kids would play. Yes, because you'd get a lot
Speaker 4: more aggressive play.
Speaker 2: And what it would do is I honestly think it
Speaker 2: would broaden the fan base. It would broaden it would
Speaker 2: make the sport more popular on the campus. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: when when you know, Auburn goes and plays at the
Speaker 2: Carpet Capital. I'm just using this hypothetically, and they go
Speaker 2: down there and it's fifteen good teams and.
Speaker 1: They finish eighth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they played all right, they've had a good finish
Speaker 2: it beat they might have beat a couple of top
Speaker 2: ten teams.
Speaker 1: They come home. Nobody cares. Yeah, oh you guys, finish
Speaker 1: eighth doesn't mean thing. Nobody talks about it.
Speaker 3: It's not like, hey, we beat the top team in
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 2: Now they go in there and they play match play
Speaker 2: and they beat Georgia Tech or Georgia or whoever you know,
Speaker 2: U c l A.
Speaker 1: They come home, you just had a great weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you'd beat U C.
Speaker 1: L A. And they were you know, wow, you beat you.
Speaker 1: You know, it's different. So there's the common fan can
Speaker 1: identify with it better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. I never thought of that. I'm not
Speaker 4: the common fan that I don't think about these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because because you follow it anywhere exactly.
Speaker 4: So one idea I had, you know, something that I
Speaker 4: always wonder about is like, you know these regionals, like
Speaker 4: you get teams, you got teams that are some of
Speaker 4: the best teams in the country that aren't here this
Speaker 4: week because they had a bad week at regional. Do
Speaker 4: you think that there should be any place for auto
Speaker 4: bids similar to similar to the NCAA tournament where you know,
Speaker 4: if I'm if I just say Florida, for example, top
Speaker 4: five team all year, had you know some of the
Speaker 4: biggest wins that they aren't here even though they have
Speaker 4: some of the best players in the country.
Speaker 2: I don't think with college With the NCAA basketball tournament,
Speaker 2: if you're the one seed, you have to play the
Speaker 2: sixteen seed in the first round. And even though the
Speaker 2: number one seeds never lost in basketball, they still have
Speaker 2: to win to get here. But the two have fifteen
Speaker 2: as and they've lost to the eight nine team in
Speaker 2: the next round.
Speaker 1: So I don't think this.
Speaker 2: Once the tournament starts, it's the tournament. So no, I
Speaker 2: don't think you should. I mean, I don't think Aby
Speaker 2: should get a free pass out of regional to hear No,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't agree with. I wouldn't want to see that.
Speaker 4: So to switch gears a little bit, I'm curious with
Speaker 4: you know, who's been your the most surprising guy that
Speaker 4: you've covered that hasn't made it to tour yet.
Speaker 2: That we we actually talked about that this week with someone.
Speaker 2: So the biggest, the biggest name and I actually get
Speaker 2: answer to this. The biggest name player that I'm surprised
Speaker 2: that we never saw get out on tour and win
Speaker 2: is Matt Giles from southern California. I know, if you
Speaker 2: remember Matt, he's actually from New Zealand. The kid was
Speaker 2: really good amateur player in college play. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what he's doing now. I don't even if he's
Speaker 2: still playing golf. I haven't seen his name forever. That's
Speaker 2: probably the one kid that never got out on tour
Speaker 2: that that was probably the most surprising because I just
Speaker 2: thought he was you know, and he was part of
Speaker 2: that USC team in two thousand and nine that lost
Speaker 2: to Michigan at Inverness.
Speaker 1: See that's another thing.
Speaker 2: I just said that, right, two thousand and nine team
Speaker 2: that lost to Michigan Inverness.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have remembered anything if it was match stroke play.
Speaker 1: But match play. I went to the championship from two
Speaker 1: thousand to two thousand and eight. H I remember.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State winning at sun River. I don't remember anything
Speaker 2: about it except them standing there for the picture, honestly.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Moore, I remember Clemson winning at still Water.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't remember things about the tournament. Now
Speaker 2: that match play is going on, I remember all kinds
Speaker 2: of things, shots, people running to seem mean you remembers,
Speaker 2: and that's that's the thing. So I go back to
Speaker 2: my thing again, match play all year long.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I mean it would It would make just
Speaker 4: the week to week thing way more exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is so you'd have just eighteen hole matches. So over
Speaker 4: a weekend, you'd play three eighteen hole matches.
Speaker 2: Actually you could play, you could you could play, you
Speaker 2: could maybe play six. You can maybe play six. It
Speaker 2: would be two eighty very tiring, it would be.
Speaker 1: But what look at this week? Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 2: But you could do under the current format, you could
Speaker 2: play eighteen. You could play thirty six, thirty six, eighteen.
Speaker 1: But you can do it. I mean it could, It
Speaker 1: could be done.
Speaker 3: So you know, we got a couple.
Speaker 4: We'll do one more question and we'll get We'll get
Speaker 4: gay here on overrated underrated. First first question, last question
Speaker 4: is you know what's your favorite whether it be amateur
Speaker 4: or college event of the year.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite one.
Speaker 1: Favorite event?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously this this is probably the favorite event because
Speaker 2: this is the super Bowl. Yeah, I let's see, I
Speaker 2: probably I really enjoy going to the All American Classic
Speaker 2: and I'll pass.
Speaker 1: So that was always so fun. Yeah, the Sunball All
Speaker 1: American Classic.
Speaker 2: That that's always a fun when they go to just because, uh,
Speaker 2: it's just the laid back atmosphere of it. The kids
Speaker 2: are there without their team. It's kind of ironic because
Speaker 2: it's a team game, but it's just it's just a
Speaker 2: fun event for me. Uh. The food's fantastic. I based
Speaker 2: a lot of my events andy on the food. Where
Speaker 2: I'm going it's a big.
Speaker 1: Just good steaks, good good, good Mexican food down there.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, it's just that's a good event. That's probably
Speaker 2: it's probably one of my favorites. But a lot of
Speaker 2: them are good. A lot of them are the you know,
Speaker 2: the hospitality and you know, it's the thing about those
Speaker 2: events and there once a year, so usually they roll
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 4: When they do it, I'll pass. So that's a big
Speaker 4: deal coming down there. It is so our Friday tradition
Speaker 4: is overrated, underrated. So I'm just going to give you
Speaker 4: a series a couple couple of things here. And you
Speaker 4: say overrated, underrated? What you think ball striking?
Speaker 1: Just ball striking?
Speaker 3: Is it overrated?
Speaker 1: I think it's totally underrated. I mean overrated, a totally overrate.
Speaker 2: I mean I Jakoff and my good friend at the
Speaker 2: Golf Channel used to be a boss at Golf Week
Speaker 2: whenever they you know, Chad Campbell, what a great ball striker?
Speaker 1: What the hell does that mean? Aren't they all good
Speaker 1: ball strikers?
Speaker 2: Sure, some guys hit a squirrely No, So when you
Speaker 2: took ball striking, uh, overrated.
Speaker 3: I think it's just become a commodity watching all these It's.
Speaker 4: Easy to say it's his ball striking or whatever, and
Speaker 4: it's like the kids that really get it done are
Speaker 4: the ones that get it done on and around the greens.
Speaker 4: Like you know, that's the difference between Sam Burns and
Speaker 4: uh you know the number three guy on.
Speaker 1: On uh On, You aren't you if you're on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, aren't you probably a pretty.
Speaker 3: Good ball striker. How about Illinois's three man Eduardo.
Speaker 2: He's probably underrated, super yeah, super underrated. I mean Dylan Byer,
Speaker 2: Nick Hardy. The thing about Illinois golf I will for
Speaker 2: every year I always said there this is they're they're rebuilding.
Speaker 2: They're rebuilding, They're rebuilding. No, no, they've just been reloading.
Speaker 2: They've been reloading, and he's part of a reloading structure.
Speaker 3: I like, have been blown away by this because game
Speaker 3: this week. I think.
Speaker 2: Did he win earlier this year as an individual? I
Speaker 2: think so Olympic somewhere in the fall. I thought he
Speaker 2: played his individual one.
Speaker 4: I honestly think he could have the most I like,
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Nick Hardy and Dylan Meyer fan. I
Speaker 4: think he might have the most talent of any kid
Speaker 4: on that roster.
Speaker 2: If he if Illinois wins this week. I bet he's
Speaker 2: a big he might go have to go three and Ozero.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 4: And year over year Mike Small, what amazes me is
Speaker 4: how much he develops his players and like that, no
Speaker 4: kid gets worse.
Speaker 2: No. And the other thing about Mike Small, how many
Speaker 2: years has he been there now? Is it like eighteen seventeen?
Speaker 1: Isn't like okay?
Speaker 2: And I might be off on my numbers, But the
Speaker 2: first six or seven years he didn't there, didn't do much.
Speaker 2: He was developing the program. Now that he developed the
Speaker 2: program into what it is now he's doing, you know,
Speaker 2: So it goes to show you a lot of It
Speaker 2: took him a while to build what he wanted to build.
Speaker 1: And I was a critic when they hired Mike Small.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke. I'll say it.
Speaker 2: I mean I really did, and that that was more
Speaker 2: of the who you know, why would a guy because
Speaker 2: it doesn't It's never worked in other sports. You know,
Speaker 2: you think about all the great players that have been
Speaker 2: that have gotten head coaching jobs in football or basketball.
Speaker 2: It hasn't always worked, and most times it's failed more
Speaker 2: than not. And golf, I always thought that that was
Speaker 2: going to be a bad move, and and boy was
Speaker 2: I wrong. There's been Chris Sambry, Conrad Ray, He's you
Speaker 2: know at Stanford, Mike Small. There's been a lot of
Speaker 2: former players that didn't have coaching experience that jumped into.
Speaker 1: And have done well.
Speaker 4: That Naylan Chris Nalen is now at Arizona. That's that's
Speaker 4: amazing that that program is well.
Speaker 1: Jim and Arizona. Yeah, oh thought Jim Anderson's Texan and
Speaker 1: am assistant.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Anyways, Lance, thanks for coming on and uh we'll be
Speaker 4: excited about a busy day tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. But we have a good good Instagram with goflic.
Speaker 3: Mag, Golf Week Mag.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll be out here and uh, if are
Speaker 4: any questions you have at one of us and we'll
Speaker 4: answer them away.
Speaker 3: But thanks again.
Speaker 1: Thanks Andy,