1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Round Up. I'm Cheryl McCollum and 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm joined by the one and only Nancy Grace. 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Morning, Donnie, good morning. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: You know what, prid Mary, keep on rolling. I'm telling you. 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 4: It quite a week in America's courts. I'm telling you 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 4: all across the trenchy, Cheryl, I mean this week. First 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 4: of all, I'm going gangbusters on the book What Happened 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 4: to Ellen, and trying so hard to bring awareness to 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 4: her story. 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna take a miracle. I'll never put 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: it to the parents this way, but it's going to 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: take a miracle to get that case reopened because after 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: everything that's hold on, let me hit my tee, after 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: everything that's happened, you know, it took the parents suing, 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: I believe this, sue Philadelphia and Pennsylvania to find out 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: why the medical examiner changed the ruling. The girl, Owen beautiful, 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: stabbed twenty times, ten of those in the back, severing 18 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: her spinal cord dura, and they called it suicide. Okay, 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: So they fought and they fought and they thought, and 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: I know they are just bone tired. And you know, 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: I figured out what bone tired means it means you 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: were tired in your bones, that your bones are just aching. 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: They are bone tired, weary with fighting the fight. I 24 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: was trying so hard to help him. So they sue. 25 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: They sue the state and the city, and just before 26 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: the medical examiner, Marlon Osborn has to take the stand, 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: and you know, he first ruled a holisime. Then there 28 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: was a secret meeting with District Attorney rep and some 29 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: Philly cops and he says in a deposition, they pressured 30 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: me to change my ruling, and I attach it in 31 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: the back of the book. I've never seen anything so wrong. 32 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: He changes his really to suicide, which means there can 33 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: never be, you know, a prosecution of anybody. And they 34 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: assume just as he's about to take the stand, because 35 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: of their lawsuit, they settle, which means that we never 36 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: find out what happened in the meeting. So the case 37 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: is being quote sent back to the District Attorney's office 38 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: to analyze it, which means nothing, nothing is happening. I mean, 39 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: I've done shows on it, there have been online petitions 40 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: about it. I've now written a book for free about it, 41 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: and I don't you know, I feel like, I just 42 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: got to like this light a stick of dynamite and 43 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: lob it into the dasafs to get them to do 44 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: something that's right. 45 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: And when I first saw the cover of your book, 46 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: what happened to Ellen the most just in your face 47 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: statement is the next thing under that where you say 48 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: an American miscarriage of justice, And that's exactly what it is. 49 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: And Cheryl, like, I always say We've got the greatest 50 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: system in the world because I believe that. I mean, 51 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: after my fance says murder, I became the system. I 52 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: became law enforcements. And it hurts me. I mean, it's 53 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: not just a miscarriage of justice. It's a like a 54 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: kick in the teeth that everything I fought for and 55 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: stood for and believed in has failed these parents and 56 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: they are so good, they're just And I think about 57 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: my mom and dad. I think about Keith's mom and 58 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: dad living through such a horrible thing, and I'm just trying. 59 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: I'm just trying, and I keep saying it over and 60 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: over all proceeds are going to National Center Missing Exploited Children, 61 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: but I'm just you know, I'm not sure. I'm going 62 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 3: to think on it. What else I can do. I 63 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: don't know what else I can do, but I'm going 64 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: to think on it. 65 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Well, here's the most important thing. That family's not fighting 66 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: alone anymore. They've got you. And you know something you 67 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: said a minute ago. I tell hugging Caroline all the 68 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: time that if I had been assigned any other prosecutor, 69 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: my whole career can be different. You were always above board, ethical, 70 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: full steam. 71 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: Ahead, honey. 72 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: And when I hear you say that the medical examiner 73 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: was pressured to change his opinion, let me tell you 74 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: something about you. I remember having great conversations, not really 75 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: debates about any of it, but just maybe there's another side, 76 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: maybe there's a devil's advocate, whatever. Nobody was going to 77 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: change your opinion. You had facts, you went with those facts. 78 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: You let the law and evidence guide you always. And 79 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: so to me, for the medical examiner to say that 80 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: anybody could pressure him is a horrific state of affairs. 81 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: It's terrible. 82 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: And he said it under oath. I attached it the 83 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: deposition to the back of the back of the book. 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: And you know what, I have a certain degree of awe. 85 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I know that they're smarter than everybody in 86 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: the room. Certainly including me. I would never dream of 87 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: asking a medical examiner to change their opinion unless I 88 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: saw some glaring issue. And I mean this just you know, 89 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: help me, Cheryl. I'm just so tired of screaming, seemingly 90 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: into the wind, how wrong this is. And do you 91 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: know what Benay and I went through writing that book. 92 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: This is one thing that happened. Okay, So we wrote 93 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: the book and she's the fact checker. You know. She 94 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: got all the documents and I read them literally word 95 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: for word. She read them word for word. We put 96 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 3: it all together, wrote the book by you know, typing 97 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: it on my how old is that laptop? Last night 98 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: at malfunction, I was trying to pull up Lucy's Eagle 99 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: Scout application. I finally just said, you know what, and 100 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: I'm taking on one of the geek squad. I can't 101 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 3: do this, Okay. I was on that old thing, which 102 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: I love, and I refuse to get a knee one though. Okay, 103 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. But we sent it 104 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: for all the editsy hat picked up. They edited, they 105 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: took the wrong manuscript. I had to re do the 106 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: whole thing. Oh no, yes, it took me literally days, 107 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: days and days to go word for word what I 108 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: had written in it, just so you. 109 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: Not only wrote this book for free once you wrote 110 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: it twice for foe. 111 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: Oh lord lord, and you know, just trying to make 112 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: a difference. You know, I did it to try and 113 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: bring awareness to the case because I felt like nothing 114 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: was going to happen. And I will say that after 115 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: we did the special on Faxination and after I kept 116 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: doing it over and over and over and over on 117 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: Crime Stories, I think that did have an effect. And 118 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: it's it's not me. People always say, oh, you won 119 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: these cases, Like I didn't win those cases. The jury 120 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: saw the facts. The guy did it. Number one, It's 121 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: not some miracle. He did it, all right. I didn't, 122 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: you know, do a magic trick. He did it and 123 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: they saw he did it. Same thing here. Just me 124 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: being in the right place at the right time gave 125 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: those parents, Josh and Sandy, a chance to speak out 126 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: on national TV, to speak out on Doctor Phil, to 127 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: speak out on Serious XM and Crime Stories podcast, all 128 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: that everything that you're a part of with me, that 129 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: it gave them that platform. And I think people I thought, 130 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: that's at this point, people have got to see Josh 131 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 3: and Sandy and hear their story and hear the truth. 132 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: I don't know how anybody can turn away from this, 133 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: you know. It's just like people thank you and I 134 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: are on some crazy revenged here that we just want 135 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: somebody to go to jail. The thought that an innocent 136 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: person is behind bars wasting their life away with that 137 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: would just send me over the edge. I just I 138 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: couldn't take it. Same thing here. I think about them, 139 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: Josh and Sandy, and I'm like, I just can't take 140 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: what they're going They wake up every morning, make their 141 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: coffee and think what f is? Why? I can't wait? 142 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: Why is this happening to us? It just mut's speak brutal. 143 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now the part that I 144 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: think I would just have to start burning stuff down 145 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: is the secret meeting, because again, how in the world 146 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: is any of this a secret? How is what happened 147 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: to my child kept from me? How is what y'all 148 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: are in that room discussing, planning and plotting and scheming 149 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: kept from me? 150 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 3: You know? And the thing is, how does a female 151 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: district any distric attorney? I just say female because I 152 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 3: know I happen to know it was a woman, which 153 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: reduces g Who could it have been? How does she 154 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: get immediity? What happened in that meeting that requires her 155 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: to get immunity from prosecution? Yeah? 156 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: You and I've never had to ask for immunity on 157 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: a case. No, and it should never be a secret. 158 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: Never. 159 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: When I went to court TV, and of course I 160 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: got involved in the cameras in the courtroom crusade, I 161 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: remember a phrase came out, the best detergent at sunshine, 162 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: open windows, open doors, letting the world into the courtroom 163 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: and into the proceedings. No secret proceedings, that's what that means. 164 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: I did a lot of research about cameras in the courtroom, 165 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: and I found that the founding fathers, actually, you know, 166 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: it's called constitutional excuse me, congressional minutes. What was being 167 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: said as they debated what would be in the constitution, 168 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: and what they wanted was courtrooms big enough for the 169 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: whole community to come in and see what was happening. 170 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: And that is so right and so true. I don't 171 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: know the thought that there was a secret meaning, like 172 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: you're saying, it's just really upsetting to me. It is 173 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: horrible it must be to the parents. 174 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: And you know to your point, why do you think 175 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: every courthouse is writ in the center of. 176 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: Town exactly on the town square, on the. 177 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Town square literally and figuratively, it's the center, and it 178 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: should be no doubt about it. And you know, I 179 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: also think about that medical examiner. And John David, your 180 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,119 Speaker 1: son and Huck my son were both goalies, different sports, 181 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: but goalies. And I know Huck used to get so 182 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: aggravated if he let a shot get passing, and I 183 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: used to have to remind him in order for anybody 184 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: to even take a shot on you. Everybody else on 185 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: that field failed. And that's how I feel about this. 186 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: Times have I stood in the stands, and of course 187 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: the other knights myself, where's your hat? I'm like, I 188 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: ran out the door without it. It's a beanie hat 189 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: with a bright light in the front of it. It's 190 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: for like hiking in the dark or being in the 191 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: snow that I wear to every soccer game, no matter 192 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: how hot it may be outside. So John davy Kuluk 193 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: in the in the stands and see me how many 194 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: time those have I stood in those stands with that 195 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: beanie hat, all with a light shining The fly flies 196 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: like a beam going protect the goal, can protect the goal, 197 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: so it won't all be on John David to protect 198 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: the goal. But he's got all these guys running at him. 199 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: Protecting the goal. Yes, I wants the goal, every one 200 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: of you. And that's how I feel. This medical examiner 201 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: is the goalie. But he has got to come out 202 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: and be very vocal. 203 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: He has to. He should be posting his original note. 204 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: Don't he's hiding. He's drove off with his tail between 205 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: his legs. 206 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: If he would come forward and say these are my 207 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: original notes, because those original notes, how he got to 208 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: homicide matters. 209 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: You know he's going to say no, but yes, I'll try. 210 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: I'll track him down. He's hiding somewhere in Florida. 211 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 5: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed 212 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: twenty times, including in the bat allegedly die of suicide? Yes, 213 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 5: that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed 214 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 5: door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what 215 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 5: Happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice. 216 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 6: For an in depth look at the facts, see What 217 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 6: Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National 218 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 6: Center for Missing and exploited chill Ldren. 219 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: New England serial killer. Why do they always say there's 220 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: not a serial killer? You know what, maybe there's not, 221 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: but maybe there is. And we had on a the 222 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: only woman to have survived the Connecticut River serial killer, 223 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: and she is just furious, upset her. I'm not quite 224 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: sure how to describe it that in this case with 225 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: the New England serial the alleged New England serial killer, 226 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: that all the agencies are saying there's not a serial killer, 227 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: is not a serial killer? 228 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: They always say that, Yeah, And you know when you 229 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: hear her story, and she has such a chilling story, 230 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: you can see the dots that should be connected for people. 231 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: I would, by the way, that guy's still walking free. 232 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: The Connecticut River Valley killer. That's a mouthful. Connecticut River 233 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: Valley killer. I my booker. I'm telling you they bookers. 234 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: They are so great. Holding in Lao. You know, Lao 235 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: has been with me since we started h l N. 236 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: You know that that's been a long time. She's just amazing. 237 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: And another issue is if you don't have a cause 238 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,239 Speaker 3: of death on these on the victims. Now, I understand 239 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: that the BodyCount may have gone up if you don't 240 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: have a cod then how can you say there's not 241 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: a serial killer because you don't know the modus operandi. 242 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: What if they're all killed in the same way. One 243 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: issue is the disposal disposal method Some are similar, some 244 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: are different, but you know, look at always this is 245 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: a great example. Ted Bundy's method of operation changed so much. 246 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: Sure Wayne Williams body disposal train. 247 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: Oh talk about that. That's a great one. I need 248 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: to use that one as an example because everybody's trying 249 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: to hear about Ted Bundy. 250 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: Sure, well, Wayne Williams had children that he disposed openly 251 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: in the woods. He had children that he disposed in 252 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: abandoned buildings. And then the last thing wants somebody leaked 253 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the fiber evidence he started to dispose them in the river. 254 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: You know, there is a Facebook grip called the New 255 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: England s k New England serial Killer and you know, 256 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: a lot of it is wild speculation. But I think 257 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: every single theory needs to be followed up. And yes, 258 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: that's a huge task, but that's why we have police. 259 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: That's why we have law enforcement, that's why we have prosecutors. 260 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: That's what they're getting paid for. I remember actually trumping 261 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: through a housing project ain't. Now. That's when I quit 262 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: carrying a purse. I'd stuff everything I could in my 263 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 3: bro and walk with my hands free, because you just 264 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: never know what is going to happen. My investigator said, man, 265 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: why are we doing this? Oh? By the way, it 266 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: was that Ernest. He was out and had somebody else 267 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: with me that day. Ernest would never have said that, 268 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: why are we trump at through this place? I'm like, 269 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: and I said, well, number one, to find a witness. 270 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: And number two, man, you're getting paid to That's why 271 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: they pay you. Not everybody wants to tromp through a 272 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: housing project, they pay you to do it. That's why 273 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: you get money for it. Keep walking. 274 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: And that's when you gave the greatest advice ever when 275 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: you said, why do you think we're here? 276 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: Swans? Don't swim in a sewer. 277 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: You're never going to get tired of saying that. Hey 278 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 3: are you are you getting ready for crime con? By 279 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: the way, hey, have you bought my book? 280 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 6: No? 281 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: I think I'm just going to give you another one. 282 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: Go online right now. It will not kill you to 283 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: spend twenty dollars. 284 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: Go listen. 285 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: I want everybody to do it, because again, not only 286 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: is it a fantastic book that you need to read 287 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: so you can be just as angry as we are 288 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: because this does not need to happen. But also, every 289 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: single dime goes to the National Center of Missing and 290 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: Exploited Children. It's an amazing, amazing thing you're doing. 291 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: Just what. 292 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 3: I even bought one. I bought my own book. I 293 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: bought a copy of my own book to donate to Nickma. 294 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: I mean that's crazy talk, right, I mean, I know 295 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: what it says. 296 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 7: That bought my own book because I mean I want 297 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 7: to support the whole cause. And there's a woman that 298 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 7: I see a lot who has started an online petition. 299 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 7: I'm talking about Ellen Greenbery again, an online petition. 300 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: Do they work? I don't know, but I know if 301 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 3: you don't sign it, it definitely won't work. If you 302 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: do sign it, it might work. If you don't don't 303 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: sign it, you know, we'll. 304 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Never know attack from all sides. I have a question 305 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: for you, miss Attorney, about Ellen. They say the case 306 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: is done. 307 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: Right, it's over. They're not doing anything with it. 308 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: If that's the case and there's no investigation going, why 309 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: can't through the Freedom of Information Act? Can we not 310 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: get everything regarding the autopsy including his notes. 311 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 3: Well, you're absolutely right, but that's not exactly what they said. 312 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: It's now under quote reexamination. And by saying that, by 313 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: saying it's under re examination, they keep it secret. If 314 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: it were closed, they couldn't say it's an ongoing investigation. 315 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: They couldn't do that. See, they're claiming it's being re 316 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: evaluated and therefore they're exempt from handing over the files. 317 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: Do you know that Ellen's parents had to pay and 318 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: have to pay for documents and photos they wouldn't give 319 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: them to the parents. They really I don't know why 320 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: have these parents been singled out this way? Okay, so 321 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: what do you think about the nest? You England serial killer? 322 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: I think that when you have that body count, you 323 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: work it as a serial killer, just like if you 324 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: have a dead body, you work it as a homicide. 325 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: To you know different. 326 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: You don't walk in and go, oh, suicide, and work 327 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: it as a suicide, because then that's what you're going 328 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: to see. You cannot have this amount of just carnage 329 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: without saying, you know what, let's connect these things. 330 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: We're are just looking. I feel like that's irresponsible to 331 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: just flight out say there's not I mean they should say, 332 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: while we at first bluss do not believe that there 333 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: is a serial killer, we are looking and then they 334 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: should look at similarities. No conversation is going to be 335 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: complete for today without mention of Dare I say his name? 336 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 3: I might conjure up? 337 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 8: Oh gosh, I know what you can say it say it. 338 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 8: He did not completely deal Sean Comes. I don't call 339 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 8: him Diddy, just like I don't call Simpson o J. 340 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: We're not on a first name basis. That's right. Seawan 341 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: Comes rejects the plea deal. Blah blah blah, blah blah. 342 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: I'm telling you you remember Judge Joseaphine Comes, Josephine Holmes 343 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: Cook's son, Joseph Thane was murdered by her own son, 344 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 3: That ungrateful piece of rap and against what I would 345 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: have advised. But then da not my idea that I 346 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: worked for Lewis Layton. Paul Howard offered a deal. Are 347 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: you kidding me? He murders a sitting judge in your 348 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: courthouse and you offer a deal. Oh oh no, no, 349 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: in no, okay. But anyway, Paul Howard offered a deal, 350 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: and the idiot didn't take the deal. I think is 351 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: maul Ma told, you're just like they're telling Brian Coburg 352 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: or his mom's. 353 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: Like, you're in a set. Okay, same thing here. 354 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: Some it just said, don't take the deal. Didty was yep, 355 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: you can about that, giving you memoirs when you're doing 356 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: life behind bars? Yes, right, Combs just yesterday, yesterday, Now 357 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: it was in the world of rejection, was in the works, 358 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: but he formally rejected the state's deal to quote spare 359 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: himself the possibility of a prolonged prison sentence translation insure 360 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: himself the possibility of a prolonged prison sentence. So it's 361 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: supposed to go to trial Cinco de Mayo, and I 362 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: am fighting every impulse to put like a big picture, 363 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: you know, photoshop a big picture Margarita's behind him. But 364 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it because that would be wrong. Okay, 365 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: we wrong, don't do that. Okay. Anyway, that's going to 366 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: try a on Monday. Okay, how do you think it's 367 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: going to start. 368 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: I think they are going to come out guns blazing. 369 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I think the first thing you're going to hear is 370 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: some facts we have not heard previously. 371 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: That's what I think they're going to do. 372 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: How fast are they going to show a frea GoF 373 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 3: that's what you know. When are they going to show 374 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: the pre goff tapes? They got to lay the foundation. 375 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: Let's explain. When I say lay a foundation, I just 376 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: can't like reach into my bag of evidence and pull 377 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 3: out a video and just start playing it. You have 378 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: to lay a legal foundation for every item that you 379 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: introduce in evidence, whether it's a fingerprint or a DNA match, 380 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: a document, a murder weapon, you have to lay the 381 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: foundation like with a murder weapon. Let me direct attention. 382 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 3: Let me direct Cheryl mccom's attention to state's exhibit. Ay, 383 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: mss McCollum, do you recognize this answer? 384 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: Yes? 385 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 3: What is it? It's the gun I retrieved from the 386 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: scene of the crime. When did you find it? May fifteenth? 387 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: Where did you find it under the body of the victim? No, 388 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: that wouldn't work because that sounds more like beside the victim. Okay, 389 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: then you show it to the defense. Then I can 390 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: approach the bench with the evidence and then you identify it, 391 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: you remark it, then you asked for it to be 392 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: admitted into evidence, and you name it by number States 393 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: Exhibit number one. I move into evidence, and then the 394 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: judge will say any objection, and the defense would go, yes, 395 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: that's not there or something like that, and then it's 396 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: admitted into evidence. That's lugging a foundation. And for these 397 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 3: tapes of Freakoff tape, they'll have to show where did 398 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 3: it come from, who found it, who took it from. 399 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 3: Let's just pretend Diddy's mansion that was rated, and then 400 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: what happened to it, who's had their hands on it? 401 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: And then you have to say, is there any evidence 402 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: at all it has been tampered with in any way? No, okay, 403 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: move into evidence. Any objection. There's going to be a 404 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: lot of objections, a lot of objections to the freak 405 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: Off tapes. But you know, bottom line, does the tape 406 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 3: depict is that a fair and accurate representation of what 407 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: occurred that evening? That's the big question. That's how you 408 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: lay a foundation. 409 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: Is all that was absolutely perfect and in order. 410 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: Unless you're Nancy Grace, There's one part you left out, 411 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 1: and that is when you take the murder weapon and 412 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: show it to the jury and walk as slow as 413 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: you can so they can all see it. 414 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: It never ends, does it? It just never Let me just 415 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 3: say I I want to can't get off with a 416 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: freak off tape. 417 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: Oh see, that would be good, that's what I'm saying. 418 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I think they're going to take some quotes from those tapes, 419 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: and that's the first thing out of their mouth. 420 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: That's what I would say. I would I would find. 421 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: The most rebolting discuss quote, and that's the first thing 422 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: I would say. 423 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: You know, I wonder sometimes why you didn't go to 424 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: law school. It'd be such a great lawyer. 425 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: And so wait their children, Well, I think one might 426 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: be contemplating doing that. 427 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: We'll see. 428 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 3: Oh let me get out of my write and pee then, 429 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: so I could start working on a recommendation. First, I 430 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: got to get my own in. 431 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: Okay, I got you. 432 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: You know what Lucy Lynch did the other day? No, 433 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: she made a C on a test. 434 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: I don't believe that. 435 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 3: I think she thought I was gonna fuss at her. 436 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 3: I didn't because I remember one time, believe it or not, 437 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: Ms Goody two shoes made an fis in frank on 438 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 3: a what was it had to be math test? And 439 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: my mother had just gotten over from work as like 440 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 3: six point thirty seven, and she was I was sitting 441 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: in our old house and making it. Walk in to 442 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: the kitchen and there was a bar in the divide 443 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: in the kitchen and the den, and there was a 444 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: place where you could see through the bar and on 445 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: top of the bar her cabinets. She was there. She 446 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 3: came straight in. She did not even leave the kitchen, 447 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: started cooking dinner. Aunt. I just said, Mom, I have 448 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: to tell you something, and she said what. She's on 449 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: the other side of the bar and I was sitting 450 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: there and she was making something. Don't you know? She 451 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 3: was tired cool, And I showed her, showed I couldn't 452 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: even bring myself to say the f I showed it 453 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: to her and she just looked at She didn't say anything. 454 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: She didn't get mad. Not that I just said, my mom, 455 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: I'm want to fix it. I mean I did fix it. 456 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: And it was my senior year. I thought, if I 457 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: make after this class, I mean, I graduate. Talk about 458 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: fear and I had all a's anyway, fear, fear, fear 459 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: a great motivator. Anyway, she never fussed at me. Ever, 460 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: isn't that something I did exit and graduated? But that said, no, 461 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: I didn't. If I said, Lucy, do you know those 462 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 3: children have made all a's since pre k pree k. 463 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: I guess when you get an A and finger painting 464 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: pre k all the way through. They are in the 465 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 3: eleventh grade. John David has never made anything but a. 466 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 3: Lucy's made a couple of b's, but they I don't 467 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: know how I got so blessed. You know, they come home, 468 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: they do that. What if I had a wild child? 469 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: Oh my stars? Oh lordy lord listen. 470 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: I was confused when you said Lucy made a C 471 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: because my nature reaction is, whoam congratulations? I'm just running 472 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: off my own background. But you tell Lucy d's make degrees? Baby, 473 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: I actually said. 474 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: C's get degrees because she made a C. It's not 475 00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: her grade. 476 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: Just on one asked Cheryl, listen, listen, she'll be to night. 477 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: Compare your report card to my baby girl, my perfect chime. 478 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: Oh my star, she is so pretty. 479 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: No, she is perfect. She is perfect. 480 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: Listen, beautiful, smart, athletic, funny, kind, and Brillian is really shy. 481 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: She's really shy, unlike the mayor of Funvill, John David. 482 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: Listen, speaking of Funville. 483 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: We are at the police department being audited, so I 484 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: do I do have to go. 485 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 2: And try to make sure the evidence room is up 486 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: to bar. But I love this. 487 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 3: This you dumpy me h, you double all in. Oh 488 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: my goodness, I like to walk. I've gotta go. Bye. 489 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: Love you, I Love you.