1 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to a historic crime round up in the Hamptons. 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Good morning, Sugar. 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: Well, good morning. Let me just clarify you are recording 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: live from the Billy Jewel in the Hamptons. I'm sorry, 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: the hampton is too rich for my blood. I'm a 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: working girl. I can't afford the Hamptons. But you go 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: right ahead, Cheryl. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: I'd give anything if you're sitting right here. This hotel 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: looks like a movie set. It just doesn't even look real. 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: I went there a few times, well, actually several times, 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: for various events, like charity events, you know when all 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: the rich people get together and they'll drink really expensive 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: wine and champage and have little bitty, extremely tiny reorderves. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: I storved, okay, and then they raised money for very 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: good causes. So I would drive out there for various 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: churity functions. And I'm telling you, the houses were like 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: Adam magazines. 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean I have just had the best time 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: just driving around. 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: Well, I definitely felt like a dog upstairs. I knew 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: I was not supposed to be, and I was just 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: walking around looking you. Of course, by the time I 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: jumped on their beds and trying on all their clothes. 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: I was ready to go home. 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: Loved it. That is priceless. 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: So I heard her, Remember that you were skulking around 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: rex Human's place. 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: I was so yesterday got to drive by there, Nancy. 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: I've fixed you pictures. But he has put lattice up 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: all in the front, blocking the porch in the front 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: door so they can privately or more privately move out. 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: They've got one of those pods out front where you 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: can store items. They've got some tarps up, some umbrellas up, 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: so they're trying to get out of there. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Well, well, I'm not interested in it and seeing anything now, 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: because now that it has been combed over with a 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: fine tooth comb and everything has been seized for evidence, 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: they can cover it up all they want to, because 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: I don't want to look at it anymore. All I 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: want to look at is the evidence, and I want 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: something to happen in his case. 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: I e. 44 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: He to go on trial. But I do have one 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: concern about people up and moving out, and that is 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: that's step one to step two, which is a demolition, 47 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: and I don't want that to happen to hereman's house, 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: even though it is a house of horrors, because that 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: is what happened out in Idaho. And I've just got 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: a feeling that once you are or more, they're gonna 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: want to go see the scene, and it will be 52 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: a long trip from Boise. I get it, but I 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: don't know. I just I just don't like the idea 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: of destroying evidence until everything is done, all the way 55 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: till the appeal is over. 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: Nancy, you more than anybody knows the importance of walking 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: a scene to understand it. If you don't go to 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: that house, you don't realize how close the other houses 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: are on each side, how close that house is to 60 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: the street. You're not talking about a long wind and 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: driveway where he's got all kind of privacy in the 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: front and backyard. That's not the case here. They need 63 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: to be able to see the importance of what that 64 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: garage could hold the basement. If they don't see the 65 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: gun room, they're never going to be able to understand it. 66 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: And another thing, I haven't been in the basement yet, 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: but think about it, going in that basement and feeling 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: what those women must have felt. Is it big? Is 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: it small? Is it like a little dungeon room? As 70 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: big as a room closet. Is it like a basement 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: like our basement? You know, I don't like basement Cheryl, 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: as you and I have discussed many many times in 73 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: the fath I don't like them. They're dark, they very 74 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: typically smell funny, and I just people always are skulking 75 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: around in the basement, all right, so I don't want one. 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: But but where our house is, it was on a slope, 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: so I could either put the house right up at 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: the front by the street, all the way in the 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: back way too far back, or I could have a basement. Well, 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: I've got a basement, and let me assure you it 81 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: does not smell funny, and I always have a light 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: on because I don't want to go down there in 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: the dark anyway. So a lot of people want to understand, 84 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: or I would want to understand, sitting on the jury, 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: what that was like? I mean, was it all cozy 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: and cheery, like we have hours downstairs where the children 87 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: go down there, blate. There's got a foosball table down 88 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: there and a pull table down there for them, which 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: is basically the catways. But that said, it's bright and cheery, right, 90 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: But what is theirs like? I just imagine it's dark 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: and damp and smelly, and that room I want to 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: see the room. I want to stand in the room. 93 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: Not pretty period, inches, but because I want to understand 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: what happened. Why couldn't the ladies get away? What did 95 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 2: they live through at the end? How was this kept 96 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: secret from his wife and children? And can we just 97 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: go back to very quickly the Idaho for I always 98 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: use the same example, and I don't want to be tiresome, 99 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: but this is the best way I can say it. 100 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: For beautiful, and I include Ethan in that young beautiful. 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: Like the other day, I was watching John David play 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: soccer and I was looking at all those his side 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: and the apoche the opposition running like mad, and you know, 104 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: it's warm outside that evening, and I heard a bystanders say, well, 105 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: they're just poetry emotion, and they are. They're all beautiful, boy, girl, whatever, 106 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: just young and alive with their life ahead of them. 107 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: And I think about these four beautiful students, just beautiful, 108 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: And I don't think the jury's going to understand how 109 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: people the dealing, for instance, or Bethany were down there 110 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: hiding out on the bottom floor but couldn't really hear 111 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: what was going up on the third floor. 112 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: You have to see it. 113 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: Now that I've seen it, I get it, But I 114 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: just I don't like the destruction of a murder scene. 115 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: I don't either, And you know, you've got witnesses that 116 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: say they could hear this or see from this vantage point. 117 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: With the house gone, the jury is never going to 118 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: be able to do that for themselves. And that's not okay, 119 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: It's just not And it's not like there's not precedent, Nancy. 120 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Remember Jeffrey McDonald house open for twenty five years as 121 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: a crime scene. And that's how it should be. 122 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: You keep it. 123 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: Exactly like it is. Every card, every cup, every shoe, 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: everything should be in place. 125 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: Another thing everybody's spending let me say technical legal term 126 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: that given your background, you probably won't understand a crap 127 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: ton of money, A crap ton of money on three 128 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: D recreations. Well they could have just got in a 129 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: school bus and driven up there for Pete's sake. But anyway, 130 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: it's done now and it can't be fixed. But I 131 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: just think that's a huge error, and that's what I'm 132 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: talking about. Rex Hureman. I believe, of course you're going 133 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: to sell it, but I don't want that to be 134 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: step one to step two, which I believe might be demolitioned. 135 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: I mean, who wants to buy that? And what remolleyt 136 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: oh a DOUBLEL know that thing needs to be raised, 137 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: but not now. 138 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Agreed because you know the other thing about that room 139 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: you keep talking about that you and I both believe 140 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: to sound through you know, and in some kind of chamber. 141 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a world where David Lynch has a 142 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: room in your house locked and tells you you can't go. 143 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: No, I don't know that world. 144 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: You want to be a demo? 145 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I did a surprise visits, surprise inspections 146 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: at his office several times. It's so boring. I don't 147 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: even bother anymore. I told you one time I tried 148 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: to read this email and my eyes started bleeding so awful. 149 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, this business dealing that business, dealing this spreadsheet 150 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: and interest and I'm like, oh, my head is hurting. 151 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: Can somebody talk about murder? For Pete's sake? I just 152 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: couldn't take it. So you know what, get after a David? 153 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: But know there is no nook or cranny that I 154 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: have not explored. Truck me all that and I don't 155 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: know what was she thinking. 156 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. You know that, as 157 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: I like to. 158 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: Tell Jerry's she ain't on trial. People fought shit it 159 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: back in the middle of the road. 160 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: You are pregg well, what has happening right now? That's 161 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: got you mad? 162 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: Aside for the possibility that Rex Human's house is going 163 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: to be torn down, don't you know his neighbors are 164 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: so sick of looking at that people driving by and 165 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: it's basically turned into a very oh ghoulish tourist spot. 166 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: Can I just ask you what you observed. I want 167 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: to hear about the neighborhood. I want to hear about 168 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: how slowly you went by. Did you get out and look, Well, 169 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: obviously you took pictures, but you could have done that 170 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: from your car. Were there people kneeling about? Is there 171 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: any what would people have noticed? If anything? 172 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: This neighborhood is so adorable. The houses are very close together, 173 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: the yards are picture per, They've got flowers and just lighting. 174 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean everything is just adorable. I mean I just 175 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: cannot stress that enough. It's like a classic New England neighborhood. 176 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: Last time I was there was Memorial Day weekend, everybody 177 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: was out grilling and you know, visiting. Everybody had tents everywhere. 178 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: This time was a little more somber because a police 179 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: officer had recently been killed by MS thirteen. All the 180 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: trees had blue ribbons. There were still people out walking 181 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: their dog and everything, but it was a little more somber. 182 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: But the first thing that I noticed when we turned 183 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: onto his street is last time there was no signage nothing. 184 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: This time, every single driveway bar none had a sign 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: from the city is said no stoping, no parking, no stoping, 186 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: no parking all the way down, so they are tired 187 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: of it. 188 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: You stopped and parked. 189 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: I didn't stop. I really did slow down though, and 190 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: I went by twice. But I did take the pictures 191 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: from my car because I thought, you know, this is different, 192 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: you know now that they have put up this lattice. 193 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's brand new and they've got the pod 194 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: for the moving. So it just struck me that as 195 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: they're taking things out of the house, they don't want, 196 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, pictures of what they're moving, what they're taking 197 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: with them. 198 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm switching gears now and I have not covered 199 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: this in several months, but LORI Valo cal Mom on trial. 200 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: Her brother, her blood brother, took the stand in the 201 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: last twenty four hours and testified as a witness for 202 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: the prosecution. I mean, people are like, well, what else 203 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: could she pop? I mean, what she had a hand 204 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: in killing two of her children. I mean, I don't 205 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: know what could possibly talk. But now she is on 206 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: trial in a different jurisdiction for killing the husband Charles Valo. 207 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: Well that's overdue. This whole thing you want to talk 208 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: about just watching the devil Now interesting. 209 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: This witness is Adam Cox. If you'll recall, Lurivalo referred 210 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: to her other brother as her avenging angel, and he 211 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 2: is the one that carried JJ out of the apartment 212 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: and the night he was killed, he was found dead 213 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: basically her medically sealed like a mummy, in pristine condition, 214 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: still wearing his little pj's he wore out of the 215 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: apartment that night. So okay, so you've got Lorii Valot, 216 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: then you've got the avenging angel brother. This is the 217 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: other brother, Adam Cox, witness for the price execution to 218 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: the sin and testified he had quote no doubt his 219 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: two siblings that would be Lori event Coultmom and her 220 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: other brother conspired to kill Charles Valow. He said he 221 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: had no doubt the moment he learned his brother had 222 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: shot Valo, who would have been his brother in law. 223 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: He said he knew immediately that she and the other 224 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: brother got together and planted it. 225 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: Just think about that. A sibling, the person you grew 226 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: up with, the person that you were, you know, raised 227 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: every memory as a child, you share it with this person. 228 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: And to know what she and the other sibling were 229 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: capable of, Well, here's her problem. 230 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: She's got so many problems. A. She's killer, she killed 231 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: her children, and B she is representing herself and you 232 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: know the phrase. I hate to even turn it again, 233 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: but a man that reps himself as a fool for 234 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: a client, and that is for sure. She told the 235 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: jury that the affidence will show her avenging angel brother 236 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: Alex Cox. Now Cox died shortly thereafter, they say from 237 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: natural causes. I don't know about that. But she told 238 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: the jury that Cox shot Charles Valow of her then husband, 239 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: in self defense, and that she and Valley were happily married. 240 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: But I talked to Charles's sister who told me that 241 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: Charles sa had moved all of his money where Laura 242 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: couldn't get it because he was leaving her, that he 243 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: was afraid she was going to kill him, that she 244 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: would run through the money and nobody would take care 245 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: of the children. I mean, she was very clear about 246 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: what now dead Charles Bellow told her so with cole Mo. 247 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Jerry, how happy they were, Well, they're 248 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: all right. What if she wanted any chance to win 249 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: this trial, she should have said, we had our problems. 250 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: We were having problems that day, largely fighting about custody 251 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: and money, and he came over and started to fight 252 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: and attacked us. To see that would have worked a 253 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: lot better than saying we were so happy together when 254 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: you know the state is going to bring on evidence 255 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: there were anything but happy. He was afraid of her, 256 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: that's right. 257 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: And she's looking for another lover, looking. 258 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: For whoa she already found the so called prophet. 259 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: That's right. 260 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: Day Bell, may he writen in hell because the two 261 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: children's remains, and when I say remains, I mean remains. 262 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: Now I mentioned jaj was found. His body was intact, tilely. 263 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: The sixteen year old girl had been rendered down like 264 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: an animal at a slaughter house. There was nothing but 265 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: a bucket of fat and tissue left. They can all 266 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: right in him. As far as I'm concerned, that's not 267 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: my decision, sadly, But anyway, he had them buried in 268 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: the pet cemetery out on his farm with the animals. 269 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: I mean really, so he was all into that. But 270 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: then there's his wife, Tammy Daybill, who was healthy, healthy, healthy. 271 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: I used to say healthy as a horse, but somehow 272 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound very ladylike, does it. 273 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: And she was a great lady, beloved by all of 274 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: her children, just ran in a marathon. And his story 275 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: is they go to sleep one night and she just 276 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: wakes up dead. Cheryl. Now here comes David rides up 277 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: talking about a spouse murder. He's convinced because of a 278 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: book I wrote. Then I'm going to stuff hot dogs 279 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: down his pockets and push him into the water at Gatorland. 280 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: He said, I know you wrote that segment about me. 281 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, duck, flatter yourself. Okay, So anyway back to 282 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: Tammy Daybill. She goes to sleep shell I just wakes 283 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: up dead. Now I'll be darn how did that happen? 284 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: Until we find out he was telling people like oj 285 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: had his dream, okay, that he killed Nicole. All right, 286 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 2: So the prophet Chad Dave Bell and I say that 287 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: with air quotes. The prophet started telling people that he 288 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: had been having premonitions his wife was going to die. 289 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: He also told her to take a five hour drive 290 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: one way to visit visit her relatives, basically because you're 291 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: about to die. And what else did he? Oh? And 292 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: then this seals it. He was already sleeping with cold mom. 293 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't know why men find to retract them. I 294 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: just don't get it. But that said, they were already 295 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: shacking up in motels, hotels, holiday inns. And she uses 296 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: her husband, the one that she helped kill. Amazon account 297 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: and ordered her beach be each wedding dress, a ring, 298 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: and her grooms beach grooms outfit grooms of an outfit 299 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: before Tammy died, Well wait a minute, whoa before Tammy 300 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: day Bell died, she was ordering her wedding dress and 301 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: she had day Bell's wedding attire for a beach wedding 302 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: with the wife still alive. And then they go to 303 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: Hawaii and have a beach wedding. I mean I would 304 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: have printed out that Amazon order and basically run up 305 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: and like I'm at a football game and I'm the 306 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: one with the flag, the mascot flag. I've been running 307 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: back and forth. I would be running back and forth 308 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: in front of that jury with that Amazon ran out 309 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 2: just all over the courtroom waving it. 310 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: You know. Anyway, so situal I've never heard because I 311 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: can see it. 312 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: I mean, did didn't you believe them? 313 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, while they're there in Hawaii, her 314 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: child is still quote missing, and God bless Nate Eaton. 315 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: I love Nate Eaton and his wife, and he's got 316 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: the cutest little dark Anyway, Nate Eaten would not let 317 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: Lori Valoe go. He'd like run every time she would appear. 318 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: He flew to Hawaii and would like chase her. They go, 319 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: where's your children? Are you worried about your children? Have 320 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: you seen your children or your children? I mean you 321 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: can see his hand in all the pictures where he's 322 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: chasing her, and he was right. He was right. So 323 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: that's happening. And I usually don't spend time on Lorie 324 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: Valo because she has already been convicted, she's already gotten 325 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: her sentence. Now she's you know, on trial for another murder. 326 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: Not that I don't care about Charles Valow, but I 327 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: know she is put away and I don't think she's 328 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 2: gonna be able to hurt anybody else. So I'm on 329 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: to the next person that needs to be put away 330 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: so they can't hurt anybody else. That's that's why I 331 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 2: have pipe down about caught my glory valle. So, but 332 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: that's what's happening right there, right now. And I'm gonna 333 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: tell you something else. I was listening to her in 334 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: court speaking, and she was a very articulate, very articulate, 335 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: and she was making pretty good sense, making some legal arguments, 336 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: better than some of the people I went to law 337 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: school with. I can tell you that much. But that said, 338 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Jerry's going to see straight through this. Oh yes, 339 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: I was. Nate was questioning me the other day for 340 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: his I think's East Idaho News dot Com and David, 341 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: you see me talking to Cheryl and you went right 342 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: over there and turn on the water. Should I kill 343 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 2: him now or should I let him live? Okay? Anyway? 344 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: And he said, I can't believe. I said, I can't 345 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: believe you fixed your mouth to say this. He said, 346 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 2: do you think her sex appeal will sway the jury. 347 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, did you actually say that? I'm telling your wife, 348 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: who besides Chad Dave Bell thinks that Lori Valo is sexy? 349 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. 350 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: I don't see it. 351 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: A h The word skate comes to mind, but I'm 352 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: just not gonna put that out there anyway. I mean, 353 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: I guess it's because I look at her and I 354 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: think about JJ and Tyley and nothing about her is 355 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: attractive at all. That's right. So do you think caught 356 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: my Laurie Valo was attractive? David? Okay, you and I 357 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 2: are having a very long discussion about this later, David 358 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: Blake twice if you need me. Oh mean, why do 359 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: men like crazy women? Why don't they like women that 360 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: go to work every day and and have a career, 361 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: And they say some moart things And I don't get it. 362 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: Why do they like crazy women? And when I say 363 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: she was not attractive, sheeril She did have four husbands. 364 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: Somebody obviously thought she was attractive. 365 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: That's right. But you know they say the crazier, the 366 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: wilder she is in bed, that's the attraction. 367 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not even going there. Sheeryl, I'm surprised 368 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 2: you even said that, wash your mouth. That was so 369 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: I have your children know here, yet I don't hear that. 370 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Lucy has a friend boy. I don't 371 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: think I'm allowed to say boy friend. They have been 372 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: to two dances together and the other night I said, well, 373 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: has he kissed you? Lucy? I thought? She ran out 374 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: of the room. She said, I can't even said that 375 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: to me. I'm like, what this, I mean, even on 376 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: the elbow. Has anything happened? Well, Nita's say, I did 377 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: not handle that Q and A very well. She literally 378 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: ran out of the room. I take that as a note, 379 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: Oh know what's going on. I guess I'll have to 380 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: intensify my sterbellans. So I don't want to talk about 381 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: what did you just say? You said, oh, yeah, something 382 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: about in bed. I don't want to think about Colt 383 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: mom in bed? 384 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: Please? 385 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: You do know what she believed and espoused that people 386 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: have dark spirits and light spirits, and people with dark 387 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: spirits turned into zombies and she has to kill them. 388 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: And that was her zany excuse for killing her own 389 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 2: two children. I mean, I've heard a lot cheryld, but 390 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: that really, really, that tops it all off. 391 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: There's just no words for. 392 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: What she did. 393 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: What she just think about after she knew they were 394 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: killed in the manner that they were and disposed of 395 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: so horrifically, she just walked around and planned away. 396 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: Well that and proceeded with the wedding and the honeymoon. 397 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: And you know, we're getting around about her zaniness and 398 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: the theories to the jury and as the jury thinks 399 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: she's sexy and all that, But just think about JJ 400 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: and Tilely Tiley. Sixting just turned and I'm sure she 401 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: was getting tired of Tyley's saying things like no mom. 402 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: You know how they start saying that and resisting her 403 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: mother and her any beliefs and her lifestyle. And jayj 404 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: had a learning disability. She's probably tired of that. And 405 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: these two were holding her back from being with the 406 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: prophet she had day Bell. Let's get real, just a moment. 407 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: All joking aside. She sacrificed her children to be with 408 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: a married man. I'm not the church lady. That's their 409 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: marriage between him and Tammy. That's their business. But when 410 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: you wrap crime scene tape around it, it's my business. 411 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: She killed two children to be with a no good man, 412 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: and the way that Tyler's body was rendered down. You know, 413 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: the death penalty was taken off the t allegedly because 414 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 2: the state he haded over discovered in a late manner. Now, 415 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: in my mind, that was completely wrong. They should have 416 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: just gotten a delay in the trial. Let the defense 417 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: have another year to look at the evidence if they 418 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: wanted it. That said, she is straight from hell. Nothing 419 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: anybody can say or do will change what she did 420 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: to her children. And it's all over for them sixteen 421 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: and seven years old. Do you remember your children at 422 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: age seven? Because I do, and I long for those days. 423 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: I want to live them over all over again. So trusting, 424 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: so defenseless, so innocent, so pure. And she killed that 425 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: child and the ten girl just starting her life. You 426 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: know what, She's right where she needs to be. Now 427 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: you go have fun in the Hamptins. But for Pete's sake, 428 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 2: I hope you brought some peanut butter and jelly, because 429 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: you know everything's really expensively. Oh wait, just before I go, 430 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: can I tell you something that is not too far? 431 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Sheryl, 432 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: And I've got David Lynchers my witness. He loves when 433 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: I tell the story I have relatives down in deep, 434 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: deep deep rural Florida. Bag Dad. Yes, there is a 435 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: Bagdad Florida. And when they went for the first time, 436 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: their daughter was marrying someone in the Naval Academy. When 437 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: they went up to see her, quote up north the mother. 438 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: It was the mother of the father. And of course 439 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: they brought Grannie. Like the clampets that we all are, 440 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: they brought Grannie. Granny would not drink any other water 441 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: except bag Dad water, says. She brought jugs of water 442 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: in the trunk and a big old Virginia ham that 443 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 2: she cooked herself. And when they would go into restaurants, 444 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: they would slice the hand for her and wrap it 445 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: up in a napkin, and she would take it in 446 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: the fancy restaurant near the Naval Academy and eat her 447 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: Virginia ham and drink her water from bagdawn. So I 448 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: certainly hope that you brought your peeb and jay and 449 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: your bottled water from back home up there in the Hamptons, 450 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 2: because the bottle of water there will cost you nine 451 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: dollars in joy. 452 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: I will jump of that story. I'm gonna get me 453 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: some bag dagwadi. 454 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes, Oh have fun up there. Tell everybody I said hello, 455 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: I will do it. Bye bye, honey,