1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Sixteen. Yeah, so um, excited and excited about it, you know, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: just uh, you know, feel feel blessed, feel fortunate to 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: be you know, still doing this and playing football and 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: coming to a training camp and being around these teammates 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: and these guys and the New York Giants. So um, 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, excited, excited about the opportunities, excited about this team, um, 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and getting getting to work and making improvements and getting 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: better and um, you know seeing what the season's got 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: uh in store force? Does that number mean anything to you, 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: just in terms of nobody's ever played the sixteen seasons 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: from Giants? Um, No, I mean I'm not not in 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: that sense. I think, Um, you know, never never got 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: worried about you know, playing a certain amount of years 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: or this or that. Um, it's just, um, you know 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: all about this, you know, taking taking advantage of this 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: year and making making something special uh with this year, 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: this team, this season. How different doesn't feel if at all? 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: You know, there's obviously different situations. You are highly drafted quarterback. No, Um, 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: now it feels you know, it feels the same. Um 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: in the sense I think every training camp you come 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: in um excited just because um, you know, whether whether 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: you know you had a great year the year before 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: or a bad year, it doesn't really matter. It's you know, 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: it's a it's a clean slate, it's a fresh start. 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: And it's uh, you know, you're gonna have new teams. 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna have new new I mean you don'na have 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: new players. Uh, sometimes new coaches in different areas and um, 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: and even the players that you you know that you 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: have returning, you know, a lot of its young guys 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: who now, hey you're older, they're a little better and 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: and and so it's all always gonna be kind of 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: a new experience and so um, you know, I'm just 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: excited to take advantage of the opportunities that are in 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: front of us this season. You know, Stirling was in 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: here talking about how there's a chip on this team's 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: shoulder because of how last year went as an offense, 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: and he said that, you know, this isn't how Giants 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: football used to be played as an offense. How do 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: you kind of elevate pass with the last couple of 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: years have been around here? Well, I thank you, Uh, 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: like I said, I that's a that's a good thing. 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: It's it's all about you know, this this year and uh, 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: you know obviously we we we uh, we want to win. 44 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: We want to win more football games, and you know, 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: we get it. We gotta get off to you know, 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: we want to get off the faster, faster start. And 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: I think, you know, with the second year, um uh, 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, within an offense with a new coach and 49 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: new staff, I think, uh, you know, it should be 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: smoother in that sense, But we gotta work at it. 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: We gotta work extremely hard to make those improvements and 52 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: make those jumps that we need to that we need 53 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: to make to win those football games. But I think 54 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: just um, you know, having a number of guys who 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: were returning, um uh and the additions that we made 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: and the players that we have, um, you know, there's 57 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: that opportunity is there for us to make that jump, 58 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of how how how hard 59 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: we work, how committed we are, um you know during 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: these next uh this next month to get us ready 61 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: attention to the term quarter back competition. And if so, 62 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: how do you deal with it? You know, I think 63 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: you deal um, you deal with it. You know, Hey, 64 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: I got a job to go out there and do 65 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: my best, and it doesn't change uh, it hadn't changed, Uh, 66 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: you know for sixteen years. That that's that's and it 67 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: never will. I think you you you you go out 68 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: there and you're competing, um, you know, against against the defense. 69 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: It's you know, whenever I'm I'm up, I'm I'm you know, 70 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm competing against defense and I'm trying to get our 71 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: players to player best and make plays. And so that's 72 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: that's the mindset. You want to try to, you know, 73 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: make improvements in every practice, have goals to get better 74 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: at certain things every day and and make make those 75 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: strides of improvement at every every practice. And that's that's 76 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: the mindset. And that's all you can concern yourself with. 77 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: You I was there, Um, would you say that there 78 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: was more uncertainty or somewhat certainty this offseason about you 79 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: standing here again for sixteen year than you've ever felt before? Um? 80 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: I can't, you know, I can't. I can't uh make 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: that call, I guess necessarily, but uh, I know, I 82 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: know I'm happy to be here, I know, um you know, 83 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm blessed and I and I I feel 84 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: that and excited, excited to be here and and standing 85 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: here today and and playing for the New York Giants. 86 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean you've talked about appreciation. Is there maybe upticking 87 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: that because of well, I think I think it's more Yeah, 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: the longevity of things. You have more appreciation. You know, Um, 89 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: you don't you don't know you know how how how 90 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: long you get to play this or how long you 91 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: get to do it. So I think, uh, that you are, 92 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: that you are here, um, and that uh, you know, 93 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't know uh what the future holds, 94 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: and you just uh, you know. I think when you're younger, 95 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: you assume you're gonna keep playing, You assume you'll be 96 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: you'll be back playing, and you don't think about it. Now, Uh, 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: there is that mindset that you don't know, um, kind 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: of the future of things and so, which is fine. 99 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: And I think it makes you appreciate being here and 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: and want to take advantage and prepare more and be 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: be ready to take advantage of this opportunity. When you 102 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: came in as a rookie, there were a lot of 103 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: big personalities here at TV Shayan, how did you handle 104 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: your rookie year and have you seen Daniel handle at 105 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: similar league so far? Yeah, I think I think, um, 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: you know my rookie year, just you know, my my 107 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: my goal was to kind of hey, you know, come 108 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: in uh and and earn the respect of your teammates. 109 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I think that's that's very very important. That's kind of 110 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: my mindset as a as a high draft pick, in 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: a quarterback and in that position, you want to, um, 112 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, when you have you know, t Tike and 113 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: Michael straighthand but you also have this veteran receivers and 114 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: I kill you in a money tumor and guys who 115 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, been been played in Super Bowls and been 116 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: uh the Pro Bowls, like you know, it takes a 117 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: while before you can you know, uh, you know, tell them, hey, 118 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: I think I'll run this route a little deeper, like 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know exactly what they're route, 120 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, exact distances or I thought I did. But 121 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get hit a few times. You 122 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: gotta work hard, you gotta make plays. You gotta earn 123 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: the respect that you're putting in, the effort, you're putting 124 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: in the work, um in the same commitment they've they've 125 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: been doing the last ten years too. Before you can 126 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: kind of talk to them. And I think that that 127 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: was the mindset. And I think Daniel has done a 128 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: good job at just coming in here kind of head down, 129 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: work hard, do everything you're told to do, and try 130 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to earn the respect to your teammates. Yes, you come 131 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: in here. Do you have to work harder to be 132 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: ready now that you're thirty eight? Or is it simply 133 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: you know what you do when you are ready? No, No, 134 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: there's there's definitely. Um, it's just a different it's a 135 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: different worker working hard. I mean I think it's it's 136 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: all it's you know, it's um you know when you're younger. 137 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: I think it's you're working hard on the mental aspect 138 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: of things, and hey, I gotta learn these protections. I 139 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: gotta learn these blitz is I gotta learn you know, 140 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: what call? Would I make the pick up this blitz? 141 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: What's this play? What coverages? Is a good? Bad? You 142 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: know that stuff? You over sixteen years, you you you 143 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: get to learn that those things and you have a 144 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: better feel for you know, picking up a blitz or 145 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: a what call you're gonna make the pick up certain things? 146 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: Now it's it's the work on this, the maintenance and 147 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: the stretching and uh, you know, getting loose and keeping 148 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: the arm strength and keeping your strength and and uh 149 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and those things is keeping the body fresh every day. 150 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: It's more more work at that as you get older. 151 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: So the you know, the hard work you know never 152 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: never changes. It just kind of uh changes which areas 153 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: are working hard at. What was your approach six weeks 154 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: or so getting ready in yeah, your six game? Yeah, 155 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, just uh, you know, staying staying strong. I 156 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: thought I had a good off season in the weight 157 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: room and and uh, just getting the body feeling good. 158 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Just want to you know, kind of keep keep and 159 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: keep it where where it was and or making improvements 160 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: in that sense. So just in you know, from the 161 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: weight room, from the conditioning, from the throwing and keeping 162 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: the arm strong and and uh getting it prepared, you know, 163 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: kind of training camps, uh, kind of time where I 164 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: think your arm gets tested more than any other time. 165 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, you have four practices in a row, or 166 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: you kind of have you know, you might have you 167 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: know eight practices and nine days where you're not you 168 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: know it's you're not really used to doing that and uh, 169 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and so you kind of want to, you know, make 170 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: sure you don't take too much time off or you 171 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: make sure you're throwing enough, uh to keep your arm 172 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: strong enough to kind of handle that uh that that amount, 173 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: and so um, you know, doing all those things. But 174 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: also you know, you you you take the time to 175 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: be a family and to get away and to enjoy 176 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: the summer a little bit, because you know kind of 177 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: which once the day comes, uh, it's football. It's football 178 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: for the next next six months. And so that's the uh, 179 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: that's the mindset and uh, you know, being being you know, 180 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: ready to kind of get everything you wanted to get 181 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: accomplished in the summer, get that kind of off off 182 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: your list, and now you can just worry about accomplishing 183 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: your your football goals. I've been around for you and 184 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: as strong as ten years ago. If you have to 185 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: make a sort of modifications to the way you throw 186 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: the ball, uh no, I I don't think I've changed 187 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: the way I throwing the ball. I think just you know, 188 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: taking more, um more concerned into you know, arm maintenance 189 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: and arm strength and and stretching and and keeping uh 190 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: just the muscles around the shoulder and the rotator cuff 191 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: all stronger and and just uh you know, just having 192 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: a a maintenance work for the warm up for the 193 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: cool down, for for everything involves. But I still feel 194 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: my arm very strong, can make all the throws, can 195 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: get it out there. It can make the long throws 196 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: and deep throws and and uh, I don't feel I've 197 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: had to to adjust or change my game in anyway. 198 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: Is there anything hunger, your hunger to compete, your hunger 199 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: to win your hundred, to be the best you can be, 200 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: the same as it was when you first walked in 201 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: here as a rookie. Yeah, And I think that's that's uh, 202 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's what's all about. You gotta you know, 203 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,359 Speaker 1: you know first and foremost, you're you know, I'm a competitor. 204 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: I love to win. I love to uh to succeed 205 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: and do my best and have great you know, great games, 206 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: great practices to win, to have that feeling of winning 207 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: in the locker room. And and that's what drives you, 208 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: is to to to create those feelings and um and 209 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: so um you know we we uh, I feel like 210 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: we have we have a good squad, a good character 211 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: of guys, a good talent of of players, and that um, 212 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, all the guys are hungry to make something 213 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: special this season. Eli, what's your bounce between uh, reflecting 214 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: on what you've done, you know, winning super Bowls with 215 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: knowing your career is still like, yeah, I try not 216 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: to reflect much. Um, you know, I think it's all about, 217 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, about what what I can do this year 218 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: and do right now. And I think about, you know, 219 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: the players we have on this team, those these guys. 220 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: I want those guys to experience, uh, some of the 221 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: successes that we've had here in the Giants and and 222 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: uh in the past, and to you know, to make 223 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: playoffs and to win championships and and to you know, 224 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: get on win streaks and uh, I feel like you're 225 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: playing at you know, better than anybody else in the 226 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: league at that moment. So those are those are fun 227 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and great memories, but it's not I'm not reflecting on those. 228 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I want these these guys who maybe haven't had that, 229 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: to experience that m