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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tye Dan Rubinstein, welcome back,

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Speaker 2: It's about a week removed from the Indiana Hoosiers winning

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Speaker 2: their first ever national championship. We've had about a week

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Speaker 2: That was a twenty twenty five to twenty six season.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little bit more of that today,

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Speaker 1: my good friend, how are you? I'm really good, Ty,

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Speaker 1: I'm really good. And I say that in a situation

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Speaker 1: Ty once again, same here, man, same here. This is

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Speaker 1: I was Was it the Ursay family that moved the

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Speaker 1: of that. I love my family, I love the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: I love everything about my life. But Thanksgiving through May

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a snowblower break on me. I was

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Speaker 2: without it through this recent snowstorm. I think I'm going

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Speaker 2: which appears to be lining up for this coming weekend.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man, we're in the mix. Here, We're in

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Speaker 2: We appreciate everybody stopping on by, hit follow, hit subscribe

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Speaker 2: for the remainder of this here ride throughout.

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Speaker 1: The off season. We got a lot going on in

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Speaker 1: So the ways of this show have infiltrated the youth

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, without further ado, we've got a show concept

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Speaker 2: Like most of the offseason content tends to go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, lists like this are always thankless, and

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Speaker 2: And being so you and I are children of the nineties,

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Speaker 1: Whoever scored and composed the music protectmost Super Bowl in

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Speaker 1: girls of it all. Again, apologies to Indiana, who clearly

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Speaker 1: therefore It's not like I'm making this my number one

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Speaker 2: Well, No, And I think another important disclaimer through this exercise.

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Speaker 2: It is not so much a ranking. No, it is

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Speaker 1: I'm just starting with it because I feel like if

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Speaker 2: After they fire him. There was the whole dog and

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Speaker 2: Like all of the aspects that make any college football

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Speaker 2: But they know, if you've been following college football for

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Indiana. My pick here will be Indiana

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Speaker 1: A story as we're going to get in college football because.

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Speaker 2: I am currently mainlining every single Kurt Signetty meme on

434
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Speaker 2: social Sure. I cannot get enough of these. I have

435
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Speaker 2: been trapped in this loop now for a week straight

436
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: and I'm still into it. It has not gotten old yet,

437
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: the one where he's sort of look in one way,

438
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Speaker 2: looking the other.

439
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot this.

440
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Speaker 2: This has restored my hope that social media isn't all bad.

441
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, solely because of those memes. So Indiana, But do

442
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: you think there's juice to that. Do you think there's

443
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: like does that ring true on any level? Indiana's like

444
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: one hundred percent plainness. And look, they might have had

445
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: to catch the year with Omark Cooper at Penn State.

446
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying what they did wasn't interesting and

447
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: electric on the field, but just the Indiana vibe was

448
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: more just like, I don't know, man, it's kind of

449
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: cool that we're just talking about the football of it all.

450
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Speaker 2: Well, it contrasted with what we saw recently at Colorado.

451
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Speaker 2: I think it's just one way you could compare it.

452
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 2: I Mean, the Colorado story was all about Dion, it

453
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: was all about the transfer portal, it was about Travis Hunter,

454
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: it was about Shador.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was the heisman at Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: I mean there's a certain level of excellence there, but

457
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: so much of that conversation was about individual players, about

458
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Speaker 2: the situation, about the portal, about I think being a

459
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: little bit different, right, not having a pre defined mold

460
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: that they were building the program from. Yeah, we didn't

461
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Speaker 2: talk about any of that with India, right, it was

462
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: just about, Yeah, they don't beat themselves, and they're really

463
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: good on third downs and they're really good at tackling.

464
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: Their defense plays a complex zone. It was all about

465
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Speaker 2: on field stuff and so even that might even though

466
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Speaker 2: that might not have been as flashy as some of

467
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Speaker 2: the like Colorado.

468
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Speaker 1: Or even the Miami storyline, it was. It was football.

469
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Speaker 1: It was very basic and they're very good at it.

470
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: The juiciest thing he said was produce sucks, which they do.

471
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: That's not even that. TU say sorry to our guy

472
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: Eric out On for Bawlers dot Com and Ranch Handan.

473
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: They know it. They know it, all right, Yeah, you're up.

474
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Speaker 1: What do you got for me? My next item? I

475
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: think my next item, this is not a ranking per se,

476
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: but things that have to be discussed. I think is

477
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Speaker 1: the absolute and there are tentacles to this, the absolute

478
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: butt collapse of two top five, two top five teams

479
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Speaker 1: in Penn State and Clemson. You mean my predicted national

480
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: championship game, your predicted national championship. They did play in

481
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Speaker 1: the post, they did play they did play in the

482
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Pinstripe Bowl. You nailed that. There's almost with Penn State,

483
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: especially though there is a really clear trilogy to this all.

484
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: There's the expectation, there's the collapse, and then there's the

485
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: search and when you break it down like that, Penn

486
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: State isn't quite Lane Kiffin in the Spider what do

487
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: we call it, the spider profile, spidergraph, Yeah, spider graph,

488
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: excuse me, But among a lot of people, it was

489
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Speaker 1: super interesting to watch Penn State with national championship aspirations

490
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: come up short against both UCLA and Northwestern fire the

491
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: guy who took them to the top four mere months ago,

492
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Speaker 1: and then have everybody say like, oh man, they're gonna

493
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Speaker 1: get somebody huge to coach this team. It is Penn

494
00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: State with on thirty seven. Candidates include a wrong phone

495
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: number or a misdirection from the wrong agent, correct crumble cookies,

496
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: the fired coach taking a job like two hours later,

497
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: and then finally somehow backing into a really good option.

498
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Speaker 1: I think the trilogy was sensational. There were some twists

499
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: and turns. We were at that white Out game. I

500
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: know you jotted down here. One of the other moments

501
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: that jumped out to you, just on a personal show

502
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: level was me taking forty five minutes to return from

503
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: a trip to the bathroom before the game started, which

504
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: I did discuss on the podcast at some point, But

505
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: it was crazy.

506
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Speaker 2: This was an incredible Whipsaw for Penn Stats because the

507
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: expectations were sky high. I don't think anybody who had

508
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: Penn State that high in their preseason rankings were a miss.

509
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: There was good reason to feel good about this team.

510
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: But the deeper we got into, obviously the Oregon loss

511
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: in overtime, that stung pretty good. After that point, it

512
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: just felt like they were spent. It felt like they

513
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: were spent. Though it's probably a sad indictment for where

514
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: we're at as a sport that Penn State would choose

515
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: to fire James Franklin in the manner that they did

516
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: mid season, after all he had done for the program.

517
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Speaker 2: I do think it was justified in that it was

518
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: time right, it was time to move on. So I

519
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: get where they were coming from, but I'm not going

520
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: to act as if the initial process, or the entire

521
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 2: process of getting a new person in place, was in

522
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: any way buttoned up. It was not from firing him

523
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: mid season to the wild goose chase that ensued after

524
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Patkraft went to that podium and announced and got everybody

525
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: riled up talking about what they were looking for next

526
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: to lead the Nitney Allons leaked audio.

527
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Speaker 1: We had the leaked audio.

528
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: Right, We had him f in this and using every

529
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: expletive in the book to talk through what he thought

530
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: was in private about where the program was at and

531
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Speaker 2: what they needed to do better.

532
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: We had that aspect of it.

533
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Speaker 2: There were also these knock on effects that we saw,

534
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: not just as a result of the Penn State search,

535
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: but a very active coaching carousel in general. Everybody else

536
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: getting raises, Matt Ruhle getting a king's ransom to win

537
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: seven games and lose his star quarterback to the portal.

538
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Speaker 1: And is also like Ohen whatever against ranked teams and

539
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: had to go on I think Pat McAfee show multiple

540
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: times to not fully deny interest in the Penn State

541
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: job and turn it into however, made ten eleven, twelve

542
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: million dollars a year to still not really break through.

543
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Speaker 2: It.

544
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Speaker 1: It has a lot of different elements.

545
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: And then, as you said, the way that they backed

546
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: into in effect backed into Matt Campbell initially reaching out

547
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: to somebody who they thought could connect them with Campbell,

548
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: being rebuffed, being led to believe that no, he's not interested,

549
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: and then circling back at a later date only to

550
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: find out that yes, in fact he was.

551
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: And then the deal came together very quickly.

552
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: So this is definitely a situation or was a situation

553
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: for Penn State where it did help them to be

554
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: a big institution with resources in a part of the

555
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: country that Campbell is familiar with. It didn't end up

556
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: working out in the end, and it seems as though

557
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: recruiting is picking up, and obviously he brought a good

558
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: number of players with him from Iowa State excuse me,

559
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't state, so they're going to be just fine

560
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: in the short term, but certainly the process to get

561
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: there was a bit different than we are used to

562
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: and I would say the broader context being coaching in

563
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: college football, how temporary it can be, how fickle it

564
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: can be. Now in the era of big money in

565
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: a twelve team playoff, the twenty twenty five season for

566
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Speaker 2: me as a Penn Stater will largely be defined by this.

567
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Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think there's sort of auxiliary

568
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: or maybe not auxiliary, but like sidebar elements for other

569
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: schools dealing with similar things to what I mean. We

570
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about the Clemson thing, but obviously Clemson's run,

571
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, the first half of the schedule through the

572
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: ACC and the losses they had teams like LSU and

573
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, two not terrible teams to whatever extent, but

574
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: Clemson falling off and Kate Klubnick not fully working out

575
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: and offensive pop not working out, defensive issues for Clemson,

576
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: and just not being able to build on twenty twenty

577
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: four at all. It wasn't a huge surprise because Clemson

578
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: has been by their standards down for a few years now,

579
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Speaker 1: even though they've won the ACC They won a bunch

580
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: of games, but again they set up bar that seems

581
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: to be much higher, and then dealing with, you know,

582
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: the portal inactivity over the years and now dealing with

583
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: portal weirdness with a cal linebacker an all miss, and like,

584
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Speaker 1: it's just been a frustrating year. I'm positive if you're

585
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: a Clem fan, if your Dabblesweeney, if you're any of

586
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: these guys, it's just the total process. It just seems

587
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: like more of a self contained movie than a trilogy

588
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: like Penn State had. But like similar to Penn State

589
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: is I think the number one preseason team was Texas, right,

590
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: was it not? Right? I don't know if there were

591
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: one or two, but they had one against two in

592
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: the opening week against Ohio State, and it's been extremely

593
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: rare where a quarterback has been such a household name

594
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: before playing full time.

595
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the story, and it's probably got

596
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: less to do with Texas. For me, if we are

597
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: listing out these items that we think made twenty twenty

598
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: five unique, it's more about Arch Manning than it is

599
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: about the Texas Longhorns because we all know the story,

600
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: right Quen youw weres goes pro paves the way for

601
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: Arch Manning. This is supposed to be like the second

602
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: coming of quarterback greatness within the Manning community.

603
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: With the new generation Manning community, Manning family community of

604
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Manning's out there. Yeah, you know what I mean, and

605
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: it took a while to take flight. Now.

606
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: One thing I jotted down here on our sheet was

607
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: post concussion, Arch Manning was I think more of a

608
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: preview for what we're going to get this coming season

609
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: now that he's staying in school. I mean, he looked

610
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: good after he got his bell rung. And I don't

611
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: know if there's any science behind that or if he

612
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: just started getting more comfortable with the system for whatever reason,

613
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: he got much better and looked pretty good down the stretch.

614
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: So that part of it is very exciting, but it

615
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: is almost a cautionary tale of putting too many expectations

616
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: on somebody too soon before you actually have a body

617
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: work to rely upon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just in general the Texas season with arch

619
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Speaker 1: Manning right bursting onto the scene on a stage like

620
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: that against Ohio State, you know, having the commercials for

621
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: was it Warby park in Harby Parker Viory, stuff like

622
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: that I saw on the day, and it's like throws

623
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Speaker 1: a backbreaking in a go to commercial break and there's

624
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: arch Manning collecting money talking about like how great his

625
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: vision is now that he's wearing Morby Parker glasses. There's

626
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: like the Texas season in general, was you know, the

627
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: disappointing offensive line play, the close calls against Mississippi State

628
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: and who I'm missing Kentucky and the emotional and crazy

629
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: impressive second half against Texas A and M to finish

630
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: out the season nearly giving away the Vanderbilt game. Like

631
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: there was a ton of entertainment. They didn't really find receivers.

632
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: There was a story about Steve Sarkisian potentially being interested

633
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: in the Tennessee Titans job that he quickly denied, like

634
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: there was just there was a lot to the season

635
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: that ultimately fell short of Texas expectations after you know,

636
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: making the playoff the past couple of years. But yeah,

637
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the the arch manning of it all, like not looking

638
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: super strong against was it like, uh San Jose staid

639
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: and who is Sam Houston? I want to say, utep,

640
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, you tep in San Jose State. After

641
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: that Ohio State game, people were like, is this guy

642
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: like he could never have met expectations basically short of

643
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: winning the Heisman. No, And so the introduction and wobbly

644
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: nature of his season I think is one of the

645
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: things we have to consider about being a defining chapter

646
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: of the season.

647
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: We need to talk about Bill Belichick and the on

648
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 2: and off field antics. I can't believe it's taken this long.

649
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: I think it speaks to just how unique twenty twenty

650
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: five was. But the full Bill Belichick experience this season,

651
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: from the off field shenanigans to the on field I

652
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: guess lack of production at least for a while. How

653
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: would we grade out Belichick in year one just in

654
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: terms of what we saw on the field for North Carolina.

655
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: We can layer in the other stuff later, and that

656
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: certainly is a funnier element to the Bill Belichick story

657
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 2: at UNC, But just in terms of an on field product,

658
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: how did we feel about that? How do we feel

659
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: about that now as we look ahead?

660
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: It was very bad. You know, it's hard to distinguish

661
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: between what North Carolina was on the field and what

662
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: North Carolina was quickly trying to put together a roster,

663
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: and they did so poorly by all accounts that they

664
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: had a really easy, workable schedule. I don't like North

665
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: Carolina didn't play Miami correct, No, No, North Carolina didn't

666
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: play Pitt. You know, like you look at some of

667
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: the quality teams on their schedule and it was like

668
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a disappointing Clemson team and Virginia and Duke that was

669
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: like the quality on the acc portion of their schedule.

670
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: All due respect to Wake Forest, who had a pretty

671
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: respectable year all things considered, but like this was a

672
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: year that, like North Carolina with Mac Brown wins many

673
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: more games than what they won with Bill Belichick. And

674
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Speaker 1: so I would say, given schedule, given what his name

675
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: is in football circles, for them to assemble that roster

676
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: and then really kind of crap the bed against their schedule,

677
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: which was one of the easiest in the country among

678
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Power four teams. I would say crazy, disappointing.

679
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: I look at next year's schedule, I think it looks harder.

680
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean, this was one of the better schedules in

681
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: the ACC this year, and so it was set up

682
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: for him. I mean, they brought they went out, They

683
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: brought in a bunch of guys pretty late in the cycle,

684
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: but it didn't amount to more than four wins in

685
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: year one. There were a couple of games in there

686
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: that were one score affairs that maybe could have gone

687
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: the other direction, but even still they're on the fringes

688
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: of Bowl eligibility. We'll see if it gets any better

689
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: this year. But I think the most unexpected element of

690
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: the Belichick story is obviously the off field stuff. Yes,

691
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: the off field stuff is really the curveball that we

692
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: didn't see coming. I don't think it's any great surprise

693
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: that a new coach in year one, after having to

694
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: reboot and bring in a bunch of players and bring

695
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: in personnel and kind of start everything over. I don't

696
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: think that in its own right, whether it's Belichick or

697
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: anybody that to me isn't a huge surprise. That happens

698
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's not necessarily the end of

699
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: the world. But the off field stuff with Jordan Hudson,

700
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: and we're not going to make this a gossipy show,

701
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: I promise you, but all of the stuff that we

702
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: read about on that side of things, you may recall

703
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: there was a moment in this I don't know first

704
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: half of the past season where it looked as if

705
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: there were reports coming out that potentially they would move

706
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: on from Belichick already before the end of the season,

707
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: which is not something that I had on the BINGO card,

708
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: and it was obviously because of performance, but clearly because

709
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: of some of the other antics that I don't know.

710
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: A few people at UNC bargain for now they've decided

711
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 2: to stay the course.

712
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: He's going to be there again.

713
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't think Belichick's going to be hired by anybody

714
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: in the NFL, although the Browns desperately need a coach,

715
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: so maybe they could go in that direction if they

716
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: really want it. But alas, I just feel like the

717
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: Belichick story is fine on the field, but the off

718
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: field stuff, to me, is really the most unpredictable and

719
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: ridiculous part.

720
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: Of the whole story in twenty twenty five for him. Yeah, look,

721
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: it's that that is the sort of gossiping nature of

722
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: this all. And it's not gossip like he is dating

723
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Hudson. She is his girlfriend or fiance. I don't

724
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: know what they are in this recording time. But we've

725
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: had legendary big names in this sport, you know, that

726
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: are out of school forever, or that come down from

727
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: the NFL, or are just whatever they're they're older. But

728
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: like the idea of this kind of story with this

729
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: kind of coach and reputation for excellence taking over the

730
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: story of him coaching in college, right that we we

731
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: never had a story like this about Bill Snyder or

732
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh or any of the other Bills, I guess

733
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: just Bill Belichick. That there is that unique nature to

734
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: this being an extremely twenty twenty five story with like

735
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the Instagram pictures and you know the subject of Pablo

736
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: Tory's terrific podcast, Like there there was that unique element

737
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: to this story that I just felt very twenty twenty five.

738
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Speaker 1: And then going on the news and I'm sure you

739
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: have the sound all cued up, they're like not going

740
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: to talk about it where she is looking over the

741
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: shoulder of the interviewer with what he can and can't

742
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: talk about, Like it was just just in terms of optics,

743
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: it was a doozy tie not talking about this, thank you,

744
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, you have to include that, but like

745
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: I also appreciate it. And this is another sort of

746
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: tentacle of it all. Was the opener was against TCU,

747
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: right right, And I want to say it was a

748
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: Thursday or Friday night. It sort of stood alone on

749
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: the sports calendar. Everybody was paying attention to it.

750
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: And they knife their way down the field, maybe knife

751
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: their way down the field on that opening drive, and

752
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: it was the immediate reaction. Man, the best ever to

753
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: do it in the NFL is back. He has figured

754
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: this out in college. Nobody is any match for him.

755
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: Was it Skip Bayless? Somebody one of the talkers, the

756
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: hot take artists, was out there on social media talking

757
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: it through, like already giving him the trophy.

758
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, watch out college football, this guy's going to

759
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: be a capital P problem exactly.

760
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: And then they lost forty eight to fourteen, and I

761
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: believe we all went to betterly that was the way

762
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: that game.

763
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all watched TCU look like a real college

764
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: football team in that moment, and then have I think

765
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: uns the only beat They barely beat Stanford and then

766
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: beat a Syracuse team that was maybe the worst powerful

767
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: team in the country without Steve Ageli and it was.

768
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: It was a long year and not so much a

769
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: problem for the rest of the sport as a problem

770
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: for North Carolina football. But look, but hey, we're talking

771
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: about it.

772
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: One score affair on the road to cal yep went

773
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: to overtime with Virginia.

774
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: Good Virginia team, that's true.

775
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 2: A one score affair with the eventual ACC champion, their rival,

776
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: the Duke Blue Devils. That one was at home thirty

777
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: two to twenty five. So there were a couple games

778
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: in there that maybe could have swung the balance of

779
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: this season and changed the narrative a bit, but they

780
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: weren't there. This This was still a fairly bad team.

781
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 2: And we'll see what he can do in twenty twenty six.

782
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Whose turn is it right now? I think it's a mine.

783
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead.

784
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: By the way, we're going to need to turn this

785
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: into a part two. That's fine, Part two coming on Thursday.

786
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm cool with it. We're only this is going to

787
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: be item number five here. We've committed to seventeen. So

788
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: go ahead, you go.

789
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: The strange reverse, Alex Hannold. That was the Alabama football season,

790
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: oh Man, just falling in the back half of the year.

791
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: But somehow, like Homer Simpson tumbling down, remember the episode

792
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: where he was like the Daredevil type and falling down

793
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: the canyon like the boulders and the branches and the

794
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: cacti and everything, except Alabama somehow landed the dismount into

795
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: the Lamborghini. That is the College Football Playoff and then immediately,

796
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: you know, throwing the Lamborghini off a ravine. But they

797
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: won a game, though they did a game on the

798
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: road at Oklahoma. But listen as somebody who considers himself

799
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: to be an expert at rooting for a team who

800
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: gets throttled by Indiana. Alabama got throttled by Indiana in

801
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. And just the weirdness of it all,

802
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: the weirdness of Alabama's season opening up losing to Florida State,

803
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: I'll never quite understand losing to a Florida State team

804
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: who immediately went on to continue being Florida State in

805
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: the way that we've understood them to be these past

806
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: couple years, and then just finishing the season terribly, not

807
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: being able to figure out the run game save for

808
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: maybe two out of twelve games. Backing into the playoff

809
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: after getting throttled by Georgia in the SEC Championship game,

810
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: who they always beat, having the Committee and ESPN sort

811
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: of pretzel themselves into a take that Alabama is, yeah,

812
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: of course they should be in the playoff after how

813
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: they finished out the season and how the rankings played out,

814
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: and getting in over Notre Dame. Like I'm not a

815
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan, but it was quite the pretzel and

816
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: having them lose I want to say, thirty eight to

817
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: three in the Rose Bowl. I just I've never seen

818
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: anything like that in this sport play out the way

819
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: that it did, where you're not even justifying their season, like, look,

820
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: it was a tough September, but the season is a living,

821
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: breathing No, this happened in December where they look terrible.

822
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: I just thought that it was It's very strange to

823
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: see a team wearing Alabama's uniform go through what they

824
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: did and somehow still end up positioning themselves well enough

825
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: to end up in the top twelve. It was wild.

826
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: There are a couple other really interesting tentacles to the

827
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: Alabama season, especially given the way it ended, and especially

828
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: given that the Michigan job did come open, which I'm

829
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: sure we'll talk about at some point very soon, if

830
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: not on this episode, definitely the next. The rumors around

831
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: Kaitlyn de Boor. Remember there were rumors about maybe he'd

832
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: be interested in Penn State. There are rumors that maybe

833
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: he could be the guy at Michigan. The sort of

834
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: almost half hearted denials, no, no, we're happy here, No, no,

835
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: we're just getting started. That whole side of it I

836
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: thought added a little bit of texture to the Alabama season.

837
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: There was, of course, I also jotted down here the

838
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: Ryan Williams disappearing act definitely side of this, which dude

839
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: was on the cover on the title screen of College

840
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: Football twenty six. He obviously burst onto the scene. What

841
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: I think became apparent the deeper we got into the

842
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: season is that one play in his freshman year where

843
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: he put crazy moves on a defender. That play was

844
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: carrying a lot of water because he did not show

845
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: up in big moments this year.

846
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: And then there was the.

847
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: Whole side of How does the SEC fit into this

848
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: whole playoff conversation?

849
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: Right?

850
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: Greg Sankie was on TV, and you know, I don't

851
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: even believe Greg sank It's Greg Sankey's job.

852
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: To carry water for the SEC.

853
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: But going on making the case for seven teams in

854
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff, Alabama kind of rode in on

855
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: this wave of well, yeah, of course the SEC deserves

856
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: to have more teams. Of course the SEC is the

857
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: strongest conference. Of course, this of course that the SEC's

858
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: Bowl wrecord postseason record, not counting the games where they

859
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: played each other, with something like two to eight. So

860
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: Alabama getting into this thing despite being a very very

861
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: flawed team that everybody.

862
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Knew, even Alabama fans knew wrote into us. Everybody knew

863
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: that they were flawed.

864
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: The weird turn that the Alabama program has taken out

865
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: over these last two seasons after Sabin left and de

866
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: Bor took over, that's going to be really interesting to

867
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: follow moving forward. Like I for as much as it

868
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: is it was a story this year, I kind of

869
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: feel like it's going to continue being a rather large

870
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: story in twenty six, twenty seven, until it feels like

871
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: they're getting back to this point of being more of

872
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: a stable entity. They're going to be good again. But

873
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: the most recent expectation for Alabama through the Sabin era

874
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: was they're an S tier program. You know, they're elite,

875
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: They're going to be in the running for this championship

876
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: each and every year. I think very quickly that is

877
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: not the case for Alabama, and we're going to see

878
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: what that looks like now in twenty twenty six, if

879
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: they're able to kind of get back to that level,

880
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: or if it's going to continue being a talking point.

881
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: You're right to build on what you said about Kaylin

882
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: de Boorr. The interest was happening is Alabama was building

883
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: more disappointing results upon more disappointing results. It was like

884
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: offense being able to do nothing against Auburn. Should Michigan

885
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: pay him fifteen million dollars a year? Exactly disappointing performance

886
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: against Georgia. Should Michigan pay him eighteen million dollars a year? Right?

887
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: And should pen Is Penn State now involved after Alabama

888
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: looks terrible on offense, Like he denied a lot of

889
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: the interest in having conversations and I think has been

890
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. But this new level, like Alabama in the portal,

891
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't do anything spectacular, like they maybe look, their high

892
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: school recruiting has been good to really good to great whatever,

893
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: and we'll see what they do with a new quarterback.

894
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: But it seemed like ty Simpson didn't really even consider

895
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: coming back, Like at the end of the day, it

896
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I'm either gonna declare and like

897
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: way these transfer options, but then said, you know, I'm

898
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's too much tied into my heart about Alabama.

899
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to the NFL. It's just a it's strange

900
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: to see after they've been the you know, the standard

901
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: bearer of the sport for so long. And by the way,

902
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: on your like Greg Sanky point, maybe I'm off on this,

903
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: and I'm sure many people will tell me i am,

904
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: But the SEC kind of painted itself into a corner

905
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: with the like it just means more here, it's just different.

906
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Look how deep we are, Look how great we are

907
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: at the top. And then no, it's not like there

908
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: has been a big ten campaign to say like ah ah,

909
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: we disagree, right, it was just the SEC beating that

910
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: drum over and over again, like the SEC has been

911
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: the one to control and perhaps they've and write this

912
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: entire time, or at least in the four team era

913
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: or the bcs RA or whatever. But that's been their

914
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: talking point. And as soon as there was a dent

915
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: in that talking point, then you get what was it?

916
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: Paul Fine, Mom and Matt Barry like ahaha, TV ratings though,

917
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: just like what why are you debasing yourself? What are

918
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: you doing?

919
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: Right?

920
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: Take the l And then of course the National Championship

921
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: between two non SEC teams had a bajillion people watch it, which,

922
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: by the way, we whiffed on we left on a point.

923
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: You and I both thought that because Miami, which I

924
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: mean no disrespect, but Miami, I would say, as compared

925
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: to like in Ohio state is a much more regional

926
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: fan base. Sure, Indiana, though it's got an enormous alumni base,

927
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: the largest living alumni base in the country, it's not

928
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: necessarily a fan base that is activated to care about football.

929
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: It's largely being considered a quote unquote basketball school. And

930
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: I think the root of our assumption was the fact

931
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: that Indiana is not like a blue blood that typically

932
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: moves the needle in terms of ratings. So that's where

933
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: that assumption came from. But we're wrong. The numbers are huge,

934
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to see. I'm thrilled to be wrong

935
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: about that because I think ultimately that's like a good

936
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: thing for the health of the sport to get new

937
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: teams in there and have overwhelming interest from the college

938
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 2: football fan base.

939
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: Yes, but yeah, it was funny that that was like

940
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: the thing, right, that was the thing is like, it's

941
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: the conference as a whole. The strength of this conference

942
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: is unrivaled. And then to bank and invest everything in

943
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: that talking point and then have it sort of disintegrate

944
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: in front of everybody's eyes. It's just been a different watch.

945
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: It's just been a different experience. So, yeah, weird year

946
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: for Alabama, and we'll see new quarterback that you know,

947
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: whether it's I think what Austin Mack or Keelon Russell

948
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: who was a Kalin de boor recruit will see. If

949
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, some years in the system and familiarity, maybe

950
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's a better result on offense, but different

951
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: kind of year for sure.

952
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: You know. The other tentacle to this is you going

953
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: on our show maybe right after the conference championship games,

954
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: or it might have been it might have been our

955
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: live reaction to them announcing the playoff field where you

956
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: went on the rant about anyone who works for ESPN

957
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: and talks about college football is compromised, every single one.

958
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: And we cut a short Zach who does a lot

959
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: of the short scores, does an awesome job with the shorts.

960
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: If anybody needs a good short form guy, let us know.

961
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: We'll hook you up. But we cut that and we

962
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: posted it because it was one of those moments. It

963
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: was charged.

964
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: When we're creating those if you know anybody else has

965
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: done this, you try to capture those moments that are

966
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 2: pure and emotional and can get people interested.

967
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: And we got people interested. Many of them work for

968
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: ESPN and didn't like him, didn't like the didn't like

969
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: the insinuation. Yeah, we had people sliding into the DMS.

970
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: It was pretty great.

971
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: It was so Yeah, the Alabama thing was very much

972
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: a flashpoint for this season.

973
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, that was followed up by so

974
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: I say, you know, everybody at ESPN has compromised as

975
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: it relates to talking about who does and doesn't deserve

976
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: to be in a playoff. The playoff a property ESPN owns,

977
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: the sec a property ESPN owns, followed up by people

978
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: on whatever it is, first Take or any ESPN property.

979
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: What did we just have Cam Newton, Cam Newton talking

980
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: about like when was the last time Notre Dame was

981
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: relevant and the host immediately saying they were literally in

982
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: the national championship last year, and Cam Newton again talking

983
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: about TV ratings like exactly see Dan Rubinstein, not so

984
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: wrong all of the time? Wrong all of the time

985
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: for sure, but not always. And I don't know, just

986
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: just a fun end of the year.

987
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: Let's do like two more here, Okay, okay, well we'll

988
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: kick the rest into part two.

989
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

990
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: Two group of five teams making the playoff, yeah, baby,

991
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 2: I think is a big part of what made twenty

992
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: twenty five unique. And of course it was a story

993
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: that developed the deeper we got into the season. You

994
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: and I were scoping it out all throughout the month

995
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: of November. It was enabled by the fact that a

996
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: five loss Duke won the ACC Championship. Awesome, which, yeah,

997
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of things that make it unique, I

998
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: believe with the latest rule change to the college football Playoff,

999
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: even though they're going to be sticking at twelve now,

1000
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: they are going to give auto bids to whoever wins

1001
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: the conferences, the power conferences. So Duke would be in

1002
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: if the whole thing played out this coming year. So

1003
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame which would have been its own, its

1004
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: own debacle to say the least. Will get into that,

1005
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure at some point, probably in part two. But

1006
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: James Madison Tulane both made the College Football Playoff, Both

1007
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: are very much overmatched in their games, and both lose

1008
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: in resounding fashion. Yes, the conversation that took place after

1009
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: those blowouts was entirely predictable. The conversation that took place

1010
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: before the blowouts, though predictable, had some new angles that

1011
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: I had not previously considered. I E.

1012
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: That's a safety issue. Did I hear it's a safety issue? Yes,

1013
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: of course, the Helen Lovejoy Urban Meyer Joel Klatt triad

1014
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: of won't somebody please think of the children? Yes, it

1015
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: was great. It was great to watch the year here,

1016
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: the sort of hot yoga of it all, stretching to

1017
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: figure out what the problem is with James Madison, who,

1018
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: by the way, the safety let them have their own

1019
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: championship like it collapsed so quickly after. James Madison was

1020
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: so much better at Oregon than Texas Tech was on

1021
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: a neutral field against Oregon like it was. Having the

1022
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: national championship be helped by James Madison, players by you know,

1023
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: guys like Elijah Surratt and DiAngelo Pond like it was.

1024
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: It was so fun to see that kind of conversation

1025
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: collapse and crumble before our eyes that everything was connected with,

1026
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: like Darien Mensa leaving Tulane, Tulane gets the quarterback who

1027
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: leaves BYU who is in the playoff conversation immediately get

1028
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: to the playoff, and James Madison, with their connectivity to

1029
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: Indiana get to the playoff. A Sun Belt team get

1030
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: to the playoff. James Madison's been in the Sun Belt

1031
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: for three hours and they made the college football Playoff.

1032
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: And that those two teams made the playoff. Very few

1033
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: people atop the sport decided to look at that like,

1034
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: isn't this a wild thing? Isn't this just a great

1035
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: thing for the wildness that is college football? No? No, no.

1036
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: The reaction to that was we must never have this

1037
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: ever again, right and kind of silly, kind of funny,

1038
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: but it's the reality. And yes, Tulane got throttled by

1039
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: Old Miss, but that was its own funny thing because

1040
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: Ole Miss was without its head coach, Full Circle who

1041
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: desperately wanted to leave the school, but stay a little

1042
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: longer to see it through and have the interim slash

1043
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: now full time head coach and Pete Golding lead this

1044
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: Ole Miss team to a couple pretty huge wins. So

1045
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: it was great.

1046
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: We celebrate when the so called mid majors go far

1047
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: in the basketball tournament. This is not apples to apples.

1048
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: I get that.

1049
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: Oh, it's interesting to me to compare and contrast, and

1050
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: I maintain my argument from the entire season, even after

1051
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: these blowouts. These aren't the first blowouts we've seen in

1052
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: college football playoff no action, you know, this was the

1053
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: talk of the town when we had a four team playoff,

1054
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: saw plenty of blowouts. It didn't cause them to change

1055
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: the process, didn't really cause them to change the format.

1056
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Are they allowing fewer NFC West teams in the NFL

1057
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: playoffs after what the Seahawks did to the forty nine

1058
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: ers a couple weeks ago the NFL pivoting on their

1059
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: NFC West stance. Probably not exactly.

1060
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 2: It's a blowout, it happens, it happens, and I don't

1061
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 2: think that is an indictment on the process. I don't

1062
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: think that is an indictment on the G five teams

1063
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: making it. I don't think that's an indictment really on

1064
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: anything here.

1065
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: This is sports. You have this happen.

1066
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: If you're going to have blowouts, I'd rather see them

1067
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: in the first round than in the national.

1068
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 1: Championship, right.

1069
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: The ultimate goal here is to try and get the

1070
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: two most deserving teams, the two best teams, to play

1071
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: it out and somebody win. And if it takes a

1072
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: few games like this to really sort through, separate the

1073
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: week from the chap and so be it. But I

1074
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: don't have any issue with two G five teams making

1075
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: it in the playoff now, and nor will I in

1076
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: the future. Now, what happens in the future, again, my

1077
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: hunch is knowing the money that is at stake here

1078
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: for these conferences to get as many teams in as

1079
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: they can, to give themselves more of an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: get into that field and go deep in the field.

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Speaker 2: My hunch as they will continue to find ways to

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Speaker 2: make it harder for G five teams. But as it

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Speaker 2: stands right now, I think this is going to be

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Speaker 2: one of those conversations that remains very polarizing, but in

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Speaker 2: my view, was very healthy for the sport to just

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Speaker 2: prove that regardless of what conference you are in, if

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Speaker 2: you put together a special season, you will have an

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Speaker 2: opportunity and you need to get into that playoff field

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't need to be limited to just one

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, the conversation around that, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of it came back to, like the weird ranking situation

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Speaker 1: with Notre Dame being ranked above Miami even though Miami

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Speaker 1: had beat them head to head, and then Miami jumping

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame for no reason at the end, then Alabama

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Speaker 1: coming in and the way that Duke season ended up

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Speaker 1: winning the ACC. The close game was actually a really

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Speaker 1: good game against Virginia in the ACC title game. There

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Speaker 1: was that suddenly, like a pro Notre Dame, like it

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Speaker 1: is so dishonorable that this playoff doesn't include Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: and it includes James Madison in this scenario, that it

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Speaker 1: is so dishonorable that Notre Dame is not in this playoff,

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Speaker 1: and when you have a program as honorable as Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame who almost decided to play in the postseason, ty,

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Speaker 1: I don't think if people realize, well, get to hold on,

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Speaker 1: write this down. Notre Dame strongly considered playing in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to this, and I don't think people understand

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Speaker 1: that they did consider it, but ultimately the honorable program

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Speaker 1: that is Notre Dame football decided that this wasn't the

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Speaker 1: kind of postseason for them. Per se. I think people

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01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: rightfully point out that, you know, this could have a

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Speaker 1: better playoff with Notre Dame. I don't know. We will

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Speaker 1: put off the Notre Dame discussion until part two. It

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Speaker 1: was close TI, There's no doubt about it. It was

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Speaker 1: close to happening that Notre Dame would, you know, lower

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Speaker 1: themselves to play in a bowl game. But you know,

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Speaker 1: they had to do what was best for them. We

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Speaker 1: will talk about Notre Dame in part two.

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Speaker 2: But two G five teams getting into me, Yeah, definitely added.

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Speaker 1: An element of uniqueness. Yeah, the twenty five season.

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Speaker 2: We've got one left on this episode, Dan, We're over

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01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: an hour now. I promise we'll get through the other

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Speaker 2: ones in part two. We've got about ten more to

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Speaker 2: get through. But I think these are the ones that

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Speaker 2: come to mind first. They're the ones that.

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Speaker 1: Lead to a little bit of a longer discussion. Can

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01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: you give me something fun? Can you give me something

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Speaker 1: that everybody will agree was a fun part of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Yeah, Okay, Lee Corso's retirement. Okay, not fun

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Speaker 1: that he's leaving necessarily now, fun that we got to

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: honor his contributions to the broadcasting element of the sport.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. College football is rooted in nostalgia. College

1133
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: football is rooted in these little quirks, these things that

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01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: make it different from really any other sport. And when

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: you've got a broadcasting legend like Corso who has been

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01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: very much part of the Saturday morning experience for millions

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01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: of college football fans out there, Yeah, if only because

1138
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: he put a mascot head on at eleven fifty.

1139
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: Eight before the week's games would kick off.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you can honor that, I think that returns us

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: back to our roots and makes college football feel pure again.

1142
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: Despite the era that we are in with the money

1143
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: and the transfers and the ratings conversations and the playoff

1144
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,959
Speaker 2: and all of the things around us that have changed dramatically.

1145
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: Corso was one of those bedrocks. So the fact that

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01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: he walked away obviously is sad in a sense, but

1147
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: sort of a full circle moment with Indiana winning the

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: national championship this year, sort of a full circle moment

1149
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: with him getting that opportunity very early on in the season.

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01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: I guess it was week one to put on the

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01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: mascot head for the last time. I felt the way

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01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: that the college football community honored just that very specific,

1153
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: very unique aspect of its fabric with Corso in the

1154
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: very beginning of all this, that to me is a

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01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: cool story that I will remember, and I have made

1156
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 2: light of other ret hirement tours that we have seen

1157
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: in the past, notably the Keith Jackson retirement tour where

1158
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: everybody gave him gifts and then he came out of

1159
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: retirement yep, which I love, one of the all.

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Speaker 1: Times great griffs. M m uh. The way that they.

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Speaker 2: Honored Corso, I thought was was very very fitting and

1162
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Speaker 2: they did a really good job of paying homage, yeah

1163
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Speaker 2: to a great legacy there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There are very few people where you can say

1165
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: like they're one of the seminal voices of the sport,

1166
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: whether it's a play by play guy or a studio host,

1167
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: and certainly the iterations of game day over the years

1168
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: with both Chris Vaaller and Rhys Davis and Herb Street

1169
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: and Desmond and you know the guys and women who

1170
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: have come and gone. You know, Aaron Andrews was a

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01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: part for a long time. Like there was just there've

1172
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: been a lot of huge names on game day, but like,

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01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, the the lasting image is Lee Corso pencil

1174
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: in hand. He was like a pencil executive too, right,

1175
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: ye was it Tykondo? The pencil in hand with like

1176
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: the not so fast and Bill Murray throwing him down

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: when he's in his eighties or what. There's the the

1178
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: lightness that Leek Corso brought to that show, coupled with

1179
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: and this was part of the retirement tour of you know,

1180
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: element to this was like here's a bunch of like

1181
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: Leak Corso stories and I know maybe like I don't

1182
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: know if it was you where somebody else told me

1183
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: that he could be a little bit ornery or something

1184
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: like that I saw.

1185
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Speaker 2: I didn't like Corso for years because of what I

1186
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: saw when I was out at a Notre Dame USC

1187
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: game and we all have bad days and we all,

1188
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, he seemed like a jerk, but I you know,

1189
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: that was that was sort of without context totally, and

1190
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: I was very young, so I barely My mom remembers

1191
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: it for sure, reminded me.

1192
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: Many times this year that she remembers that moment.

1193
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: But that's an anecdote, right right right, bigger picture, Corso

1194
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: was a huge part of the game day experience, no,

1195
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: And the thing that when I was reading, because there's

1196
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: all these like stories right that, like there's an oral

1197
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: history of the Leek Corso experience at game day and everything,

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 2: you know that was happening behind the scenes, and they

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Speaker 2: all sort of agreed on one thing, which was Leek

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Speaker 2: Horso didn't really like to do anything the night before games.

1201
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: He liked to go to bed early, and anytime you'd

1202
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: go to his hotel room, he was already in his

1203
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: pajamas at six pm and had hoarded all of the

1204
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: free snacks available to him at all of the meetings

1205
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: on Friday or Thursday or whatever. And I thought to myself,

1206
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 2: if I can end my life or my professional life

1207
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: as somebody who is in their pajamas in a nice

1208
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: hotel rooms, surrounded by snacks and love all of the time,

1209
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: I've done something right. And I respect the hell out

1210
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: of that way of living professionally, going to bed early,

1211
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: surrounded by free snacks. I don't know that made me

1212
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: gain an even bigger respect for somebody who I really

1213
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: enjoyed watching. Over the years, there have been a lot

1214
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: of personalities, yeah, in the media in sports that, for

1215
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: one reason or another, become larger than life. It's just

1216
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: part of the experience. Few and far between, but they've

1217
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: come about here and there, and Corso I think for

1218
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: college football is one of them. It absolutely feels different

1219
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: to watch the broadcast. I mean, they got a lot

1220
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: of smart people up there, and you know, I guess

1221
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 2: we can debate that too, but it feels a little

1222
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 2: bit different without having him up there to put on

1223
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:26,480
Speaker 2: the mascot head and be part of the final segment.

1224
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: There before they kick it over to who's ever playing

1225
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: at noon? Always kept his shirt on, by the way,

1226
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: Always kept a shirt, Always kept a shit as far

1227
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: as I can remember. Yeah, always kept his shirt on,

1228
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: all right, So there he got. We got Lane Kiffin,

1229
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: the Indiana Hoosiers, the Clemson slash Penn State slash Texas

1230
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: free fall, the Bill Belichick stuff, Alabama's season two G

1231
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: five teams getting into the playoff. Yeah, and now here

1232
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,480
Speaker 1: to close.

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Speaker 2: Things out, your seventh item is Lee Corso and is retirement.

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 2: We will have a bunch more to discuss on our

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01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: next episode. We would encourage people to write in Solidverbo

1236
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com, comment on the YouTube videos, comment

1237
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: out on Spotify, anywhere you can leave a comment, please

1238
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: do so. We've got more than enough time to incorporate

1239
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: some of your feedback into our part too, and we

1240
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: would love to hear from you.

1241
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure there.

1242
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 2: We have a long list of things here. I know

1243
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 2: we've been talking for over an hour about just seven things.

1244
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: We have a long we.

1245
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: Have a really long list. We have a lot like

1246
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: all the way as granular as Missouri State and Delaware

1247
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: in year one of the FBS and what they did

1248
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: Kennesaw State finishing ten and four West Virginia with fifty

1249
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: three transfer like. We have a long, very detailed list

1250
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: of things that jumped out to us, and I am

1251
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: certain that we missed a bunch of big ones. So

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: we would encourage you. This is an open invite.

1253
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: If you're gonna yell at us about something we said,

1254
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: that's fine, but please please take the opportunity to write

1255
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: in with things that we miss.

1256
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: Because we want to be as complete as we can.

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01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: This is almost our version of the signature's part of

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01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,879
Speaker 1: the yearbook. Yes, right, like, hey, remember when we couldn't

1259
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: stop giggling in algebra two? I'm so sorry we like

1260
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: didn't become friends sooner? T T Y L Jess. Did

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01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: you have those? Did you have those in the back

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01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: like I can't believe No? No, specifically the message of like,

1263
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: I can't believe you were you were such a great

1264
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: guy all along. We didn't become friends until senior year.

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01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: I'll bet you. I'll bet a bunch of the ladies

1266
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: were writ in that. Oh yeah, no, so many. I

1267
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: bet there was a bunch of Jesses in there. Yeah yeah, yeah.

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01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: Of course I had to buy extra pages at the

1269
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: end of his yearbook. But yeah, this is what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: This is the signature's page. Remember all these weird things

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01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: that happened to us love Dan and Tye? Yeah, we

1272
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: got we got many more. So this is actually, like

1273
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: is very weirdly cathartic for me to like put a

1274
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: bow on the season with like the lingering feelings that

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm just writing out in the back of ties of

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01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: earbook here. I love it. I love it too again,

1277
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: open invite everybody right on in.

1278
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: Let us know what we got right, what we got wrong,

1279
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: what we missed, what you'd like to hear more of

1280
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: on part two.

1281
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: I already tip the pitch a little bit.

1282
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: Obviously, we're gonna have to talk about the whole Notre

1283
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 2: Dame thing before a while.

1284
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: We will talk about all the major beats.

1285
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: We will talk about some of the players and additional

1286
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: storylines that jumped out to us. We want to know

1287
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: what jumped out to you with those comments. We will

1288
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: be back on Thursday. We will be publishing twice per

1289
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 2: week all throughout the off season, So if you've you

1290
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 2: have to hit follow or subscribe, we'd appreciate you doing

1291
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Speaker 2: so now so that you don't miss any of those episodes.

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Speaker 2: And of course, for ballers dot com is where you

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Speaker 2: can go if you want to sport the team, help

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Speaker 2: Dan and I keep the lights on, keep doing this

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Speaker 2: full time?

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Speaker 1: Can we license vitamin C vitams something that we could

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Speaker 1: like the is that even a reference that anybody understands

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Speaker 1: that's under forty thirty five?

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Speaker 2: I have it on the soundboard. I'm afraid to play it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can maybe eight cop version strikes. But yeah, if

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Speaker 2: you can find a mini version, okay, I'll find that

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Speaker 2: for part two. For that guy over there, my good

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Speaker 2: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hilton Brand. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for bearing with us hanging out here. Another episode will

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Speaker 2: be back on Thursday. You know the drill, stay song face.