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Speaker 3: Hour number two, The Herd on Danny parkins in for

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Speaker 3: Colin Cowherd. Tom Verducci will join us later on this

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Speaker 3: hour to discuss Brewers Hotest Teamer, Best team in Baseball.

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Speaker 3: I gotta say, whenever I sit in this chair for Colin,

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Speaker 3: it's just a pinch me thing. It's a complete honor,

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Speaker 3: it's a privilege. It's a little surreal. But I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I've ever looked forward more to a segment

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Speaker 3: than this one. Because while I've been waiting for First

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Speaker 3: Thing First to come back and need a join, which

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Speaker 3: will be Monday, I'll be on from five to six,

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Speaker 3: I've just had to kind of sit on the sidelines

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Speaker 3: and watch a lot of this show and a lot

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Speaker 3: of things we said about Caleb Williams that I cannot

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Speaker 3: believe that I'm hearing and seeing. So we're going to

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Speaker 3: take some time here and I'm going to try to

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Speaker 3: level set the conversation. And yes, listen, everyone has biases.

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Speaker 3: The people who admit their biases are the ones you

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Speaker 3: can trust. I am a Bears guy from Chicago. Consider

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Speaker 3: it disclosed. Caleb Williams was good last year. Anyone who

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Speaker 3: watched every pass of every game, which I did, would

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Speaker 3: But Caleb Williams was good, best rookie quarterback by the

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Speaker 3: way in Bears franchise history, which I agree the bar

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Speaker 3: is on the floor. That's an easy one to clear,

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Speaker 3: but it is still true. And the situation that hand

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Speaker 3: up I got wrong. I said it was the best

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Speaker 3: situation a number one overall pick had ever walked into.

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Speaker 3: I was dead wrong about that because how much of

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Speaker 3: a disaster the Matt eberflu Shane Waldron coaching situation was.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get to more of that in a second.

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Speaker 3: But Caleb Williams was good. He wasn't great. But people

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Speaker 3: talk about Caleb Williams like it's still possible that he

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Speaker 3: could be a bust. Bust is off the table. He's good.

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Speaker 3: Let's start. There's the good, the bad, and the narrative,

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Speaker 3: and I'll be fair. We'll start with the bad, the

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Speaker 3: obvious bad, the worst of it, and there were a few.

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Speaker 3: Was sixty eight sacks. Sixty eight sacks is an absurd number.

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Speaker 3: Sixty eight sacks is way too many. He did not

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Speaker 3: he would eat a sack as opposed to trusting his

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Speaker 3: play on schedule enough. Sixty eight sacks is unacceptable. He

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Speaker 3: Too much on just his raw natural talent and didn't

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Speaker 3: He played all seventeen games despite being sacked sixty eight times.

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Speaker 3: I heard reactions to the Bills game being like, whoa Caleb?

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Speaker 3: comical that, understandably, the Bears became a punchline. The Bears

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Speaker 3: And then everyone remembers the Thanksgiving game against the Lions

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Speaker 3: They're four yards away from field goal range. Would have

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Speaker 3: sent him to overtime. They've got one timeout. There's a

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Speaker 3: Kleb maybe more situationally aware in that spot. Again, a rookie,

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Speaker 3: you would like your coach to help out the player.

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Speaker 3: There were thirty two seconds left when he got sacked.

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Speaker 3: They only ran one play the rest of the game.

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Speaker 3: It was like he was playing out there with no coaches.

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Speaker 3: So I think if they win two of those four

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Speaker 3: the end over the Packers, You're like, okay, seven and ten,

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Speaker 4: It's I don't know. As Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: An NFL player, they upgraded it right guard, center, left guard, coach,

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Speaker 3: lovelin the tight end, and they use the top forty

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Speaker 3: pick on Luther Burden, a receiver. Both of them looked

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Speaker 3: good in the preseason opener where the start played against

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Speaker 3: the Bills. So last year should be the floor for

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. And by the way, everything that I've heard

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Speaker 3: intense relationship, really taking well to hard coaching, true professional,

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Speaker 3: he upgraded sixty percent of his offensive line, his head coach,

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Speaker 3: prefer Tyson Paijing. Caleb Williams is good, can still be great,

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Speaker 4: And I think people frankly have really.

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Speaker 3: Lost the plot with Caleb Williams, and I look forward

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Speaker 3: with Ben Johnson. Should be a very exciting season and

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Speaker 3: a very exciting next decade for Caleb Williams and the

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Speaker 3: Chicago Bears. Coming up next, Tom Ernucci, one of the

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Speaker 3: cross Eye Bear. But joining us now terrific baseball reporter, longtime.

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Speaker 4: Analysts for Fox Tom Verducci with us.

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Speaker 3: You can see him on Fox Sports and the MLB Network. Tom,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for the time. And yes, the

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Speaker 3: author of the terrific book The Cub's Way After the

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Speaker 3: greatest season in baseball history. I am biased on that,

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Speaker 3: but that's okay. The twenty sixteen Cubs, Tom, will stay

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Speaker 3: in that division. The Brewers, they had a lot of

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Speaker 3: brain drain. They lose their GM, they lose their manager,

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Speaker 3: they lose some of their best players. They have a

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Speaker 3: small payroll, yet they are, by the record, the best

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Speaker 4: How do they do it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean people have to get used to that, Danny.

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Speaker 6: They are the best team in baseball. Even if you

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Speaker 6: don't know the names. You can't rattle off their starting

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Speaker 6: do so many things well the finer points of the game.

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Speaker 6: They're the best defensive team in baseball. They steal bases,

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Speaker 6: They bunt, Yeah, that's still allowed in the game today.

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Speaker 6: By the way, they're the best team with runners in

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Speaker 6: so they have no weakness unless you want to count power.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: They don't hit a lot of home runs. It's eighteenth

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Speaker 6: the only thing. When I look at Milwaukee, I say,

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Speaker 6: what could hold them back in the postseason? Because you

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Speaker 6: last decade, there's only been The last team to finished

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Speaker 6: in the bottom half of home runs was the twenty

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Speaker 7: It's been a long time.

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Speaker 6: Last five World champions all been between first and fourth

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Speaker 6: You know what happened to the Yankees in the World

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Speaker 3: So I don't know how much you follow the gambling

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: The odds makers have them is the fourth best team,

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Speaker 3: to just spit in the face of what I've watched

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Speaker 6: Yeah, again, a lot of people don't believe it, or

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Speaker 6: they're not familiar enough with this team. This is not

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Speaker 6: look at, Danny and when it comes to pitching in

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Speaker 6: about pure stuff, and the Brewers are the third best

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Speaker 6: And it's not just about playing small ball.

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Speaker 3: So the Brewers have passed the Cubs in the division

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Speaker 3: Do you think the Cubs are faltering or do you

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Speaker 6: I still think they're dangerous with an asterisk, and that

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Speaker 6: yes they're dangerous, but he is such an important part

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Speaker 6: I love this team because, like Milwaukee, they're very athletic,

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Speaker 7: So I'm not down on the Cubs.

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Speaker 6: All credit to the Brewers for the run they've had

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Speaker 6: But I think in a postseason environment, give me a

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Speaker 3: Let's stay in the National League. The Dodgers have gotten

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Speaker 3: Do you view them, because of their payroll, as anything

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Speaker 6: I think you do look at that way because the

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Speaker 6: looking at this weekend Danny as a real pivotal point

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Speaker 7: They're at that point now where it's put up for

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Speaker 6: These guys should be now healthy, take the ball three

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Speaker 7: Big test this weekend in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned it, and the game tomorrow is right

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I do. First of all, the atmosphere in that ballpark

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Speaker 6: I'm not going against San Diego's bullpen above anybody in baseball,

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Speaker 7: They're very evenly matched.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know that Dodgers swept them last week

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Speaker 6: But yes, I think this is must see in terms

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Speaker 3: How much do you think the Dodgers are going to

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Speaker 6: That's a great question, because he's got the chance or

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Speaker 6: We've seen him now take the ball into the fourth

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Speaker 7: I think show he can.

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Speaker 6: Go out there and pitch a game seven innings, no runs,

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Speaker 3: A few more minutes of Tom Verducci. The AL Wildcard

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Speaker 3: race is very tight. We have Yankees, Red Sox this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I've talked to enough managers to know there's no such

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's big, Danny, because I I personally think.

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Speaker 7: That seating matters a lot, right.

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Speaker 7: So I don't really.

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Speaker 6: Buy the argument that just get us in. You know,

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Speaker 6: I don't think there will be the game last night,

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Speaker 6: Let's face that the Yankees did not play a clean game.

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Speaker 7: And that's what the Red Sox did last night.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, I mean, if you haven't seen

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Speaker 7: Walks into the Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that was just a cool moment.

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Speaker 3: So there's some big picture stuff too, Rob Manfred talking

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Speaker 6: Well, this has been in the works for a while,

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Speaker 6: Danny and generally on the whiteboard as more opposed to

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Speaker 6: like really hard and fast ideas about how to realign.

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Speaker 6: But they definitely want to get the thirty two teams.

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Speaker 6: That makes scheduling easier. You're probably look at four divisions

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Speaker 6: of four teams. The question for me is does this

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Speaker 6: mean that the kind of traditional setup of American and

446
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Speaker 6: National League either goes away or is extremely diminished. In

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Speaker 6: other words, if you won't do want to realign geographically,

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Speaker 6: would you put say, the Yankees, the Mets, the Phillies,

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Speaker 6: and the Red Sox in one division and just kind

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Speaker 6: of throw away American and National League history. That's a

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Speaker 6: big bold step to make. Now it makes sense logistically,

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Speaker 6: but as you know, one of the great things about

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Speaker 6: baseball is its history.

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Speaker 7: And I understand.

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Speaker 6: We're moving farther and farther away from those kinds of

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Speaker 6: things in the game, and younger fans especially get used

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Speaker 6: to it. But I'm curious as to whether that's the

458
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Speaker 6: road Major League Baseball wants to go down. They still

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Speaker 6: want to keep a bit of the history and realign geographically,

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Speaker 6: but keep sort.

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Speaker 7: Of the integrity of the league's intact. That's a bold step.

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Speaker 6: Let's face it, though, Danny, We're not talking about anything

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Speaker 6: on the immediate horizon. This was sometime in the early

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Speaker 6: twenty thirties, probably by the time two cities are picked

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Speaker 6: and things get realigned, but it's definitely in the discussion phase.

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Speaker 3: How would it work though, to use that example, Yankees,

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Speaker 3: Matt's Phillies, Red Sox, big market teams, big spending teams.

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Speaker 3: And then another division proposal that I saw was like Tampa,

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Speaker 3: the Marlins, an expanded Nashville team, and the Braves. Like

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Speaker 3: one division would probably have what four or five x

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Speaker 3: the payroll of another division in that scenario.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's where the devil the details are in, Like

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Speaker 6: what's your postseason format? What are the qualifications if you

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Speaker 6: win your division? Are you automatically seated at all or

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Speaker 6: even high? I don't know, but it would seem to

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Speaker 6: me that you'd have to see it as straight like

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Speaker 6: you know, one through six kind of seeding, regardless of

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Speaker 6: where you finish in your division. You could have a

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Speaker 6: fourth place team being the fourth seed if that is possible.

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Speaker 6: I'd love to know what the idea is there. I

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Speaker 6: get the what Rob Manford has talked about for years

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Speaker 6: is that his classic example, if the Red Sox play

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Speaker 6: the Angels in the postseason, right, you can have one

484
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Speaker 6: fan base that's disadvantage. Either Red Sox fans are watching

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Speaker 6: the game at ten o'clock at night or you're still

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Speaker 6: at work on the West Coast watching a seven o'clock

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Speaker 6: game from Fenway Park. So he wants to work against

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Speaker 6: that and schedule more even playoff games around geographical lines.

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Speaker 6: So again, devil into details. I'd love to see what

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Speaker 6: the postseason format is because that could be a real

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Speaker 6: game change of the game. Like we think it's a

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Speaker 6: little complicated now in terms of getting in, I'd love

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Speaker 6: to know what the format would be in the postseason,

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Speaker 6: not just hey, we're going to relign on geographical boundaries.

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Speaker 3: Selling author, terrific reporter and a baseball analyst here for

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Speaker 3: us at Fox. Tom Berducci, thank you so much, tom.

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Speaker 7: My pleasure, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Danny, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's Tom Berducci with us talking baseball.

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Speaker 4: We'll get back into MICHAEH.

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Speaker 3: Parsons situation as we move Danny Parkins in.

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Speaker 4: For Colin, but coming up next.

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Speaker 3: Truly, one of the worst ideas I've ever heard was proposed.

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Speaker 3: I think I have a better one, though it would

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Speaker 3: involve going back in time. That's coming up to Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and newone Easter nine em Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: It first starts on Monday, when I'll be on FS

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Speaker 3: one every day from five to six, and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: more Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones and the stalemate that

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Speaker 3: apparently won't end, although there is a game coming up

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Speaker 3: on September seventh, and sneaking suspicion that it'll be over

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Speaker 3: by then, but we'll see. I saw an idea that

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Speaker 3: was floated, not by a message board, not by a blog,

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Speaker 3: not by a random person in my mentions on YouTube

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Speaker 3: or Instagram or Twitter, but apparently by a Big ten official.

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Speaker 3: Was the sourcing behind it, and it was apparently the

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Speaker 3: same type of idea that had been reportedly suggested at

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Speaker 3: SEC coaches meetings, which was that you know, we got

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Speaker 3: to think of big idea is College Football Season Week

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Speaker 3: zeros this week that the college football playoffs should maybe

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Speaker 3: be expanded to twenty four or twenty eight teams, And

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Speaker 3: I thought to myself about that scene and office space,

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Speaker 3: about the jump to conclusions, Matt, is the worst idea

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard, Yes to truly off full terrible idea.

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Speaker 4: You're here an idea that's so bad that it scares you.

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Speaker 3: A little bit because you're like these people they walk

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Speaker 3: among us. Like a twenty eighteen college football playoff with

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Speaker 3: the Big Ten and the SEC both getting six seven

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Speaker 3: automatic bids is.

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Speaker 4: A truly awful, terrible.

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Speaker 3: No good, very bad idea. Let's just let's just hypothetically

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Speaker 3: for a moment, think about what that would potentially mean

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Speaker 3: last year. That means Colorado with four losses is in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that would have been interesting.

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Speaker 3: For television networks, right, Senor Sanders, Travis Oner, Okay, maybe you're.

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Speaker 4: Fine with that.

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Speaker 3: That would have meant that Alabama with four losses would

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Speaker 3: have been in. Okay, Alabama roll dam died LSU with

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Speaker 3: four losses would have been in.

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Speaker 4: And maybe you're just sitting there nodding like, yeah, it

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Speaker 4: would have been great put them in. You guys wanted Iowa.

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Speaker 4: You wanted eight and five Iowa.

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Speaker 3: To make the college football playoff last year because they

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Speaker 3: would have been in under this hypothetical scenario. And listen,

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Speaker 3: I fully admit that I have addicted to football, and

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Speaker 3: I will watch football, and I cannot wait for Texas

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Speaker 3: and Ohio State. And I think that Clemson's defense is

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Speaker 3: going to be like those title defenses under Dabo, and

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Speaker 3: I think that they are going to be at least

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Speaker 3: making the semi final, if not the national championship. And

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait to see nuss Meyer an hour and

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Speaker 3: arch Manning and see who emerges as the top quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And I'm addicted to it more of a pro guy

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Speaker 4: than college, but I love college too. It's all great.

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Speaker 4: If football's on, I will be watching. And I know

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Speaker 4: that's why.

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Speaker 3: More and more and more, bigger, bigger, bigger, more games,

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Speaker 3: more games, more games.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna watch. It feed us our addiction. I get it.

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Speaker 3: I just want the regular season to matter. That was

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Speaker 3: what to me was so special about college football, the

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Speaker 3: regular season really mattering. Last year, Ohio State as the

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Speaker 3: eighth seed, wins the national championship, all right, lose to Michigan,

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Speaker 3: lose to Oregon, still make the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: The eighth seed run the table, win the title.

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Speaker 3: In my world, Ohio State would have not gotten that chance.

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Speaker 3: And I know we cannot put this toothpaste back in

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Speaker 3: the tube, but for me, four was enough. There was

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Speaker 3: not a team that had presented an argument outside of

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Speaker 3: the top four that had ever said we deserved a

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Speaker 3: shot at the belt, we deserved a shot at the

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Speaker 3: national championship back in the BCS era when it was

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Speaker 3: just two. While I thought the debate was compelling and

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Speaker 3: it made college football like this.

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Speaker 4: Like weird combination of the NFL and the.

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Speaker 3: Olympics, where it was like they got to play the games,

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Speaker 3: but then there's also judging and it's arbitrary and there's

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Speaker 3: an eye test, and it was messy and weird. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't perfect, but it was kind of charming in a way.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Four Auburn had a legit gripe in the BCS era.

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Speaker 3: I thought, oh one, Oregon had a legit gripe in

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Speaker 3: the BCS era. But for the most part, I thought

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Speaker 3: we got the teams that ultimately deserved it. But expanded

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Speaker 3: out to four, that Auburn situation would have been taken

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Speaker 3: care of. The Oregon situation, you would have been taken

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Speaker 3: care of. I never saw a terribly compelling case for

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Speaker 3: a team five, six, seven, eight. And now people are

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Speaker 3: going to keep pointing to Ohio State last year winning

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Speaker 3: the title, and that's fine, But I just worry that

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Speaker 3: if the inevitability of this is bigger, bigger, bigger, more

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Speaker 3: and more and more, because no one thinks we're stopping

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Speaker 3: with twelve, it'll go to sixteen. And then when it

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Speaker 3: goes to sixteen, is it going.

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Speaker 4: To go to twenty, Is it going to go to

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Speaker 4: twenty four? Is it going to go to twenty eight?

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Speaker 3: We're going to reach a point where the regular season

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Speaker 3: it will always matter to the fans of the teams

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Speaker 3: because they're your biggest thing, right Like Michigan is the

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Speaker 3: biggest thing in ann Arbor, so it's always going to

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Speaker 3: matter to Michigan fans. But if every year I watch

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Speaker 3: the Iron Bowl, I know that both Auburn and Alabama

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Speaker 3: are going to make the College Football Playoff, for a

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Speaker 3: non Auburn or Alabama fan, that would inherently take away

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Speaker 3: some of the value of watching Auburn and Alabama. Now

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Speaker 3: it would not for an Auburn fan or an Alabama fan,

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Speaker 3: but for the casual fan. If you water down the

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Speaker 3: meaning of the result of the regular season. I think

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Speaker 3: you're running into a situation where at some point, bigger

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Speaker 3: is not going to be better. And Michigan Ohio State

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Speaker 3: last year is an unbelievable game, and Michigan wins, and

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Speaker 3: then Ohio State gets to go on and win the

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Speaker 3: national championship when it was their second loss. There's something too,

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Speaker 3: like oh Man back in the day, not that long ago. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: Ohio State, you're out now. That clearly is not going

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Speaker 3: to be the case. And Ohio State fans should be

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Speaker 3: thrilled that it wasn't the case for them last year, obviously,

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Speaker 3: and they were a deserving champion for how they ran

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Speaker 3: through the playoff. And I understand these are the rules

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Speaker 3: that are out there, but there is something too. The

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Speaker 3: greed is good mantra and the bigger and bigger this

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Speaker 3: thing get. I worry that at some point you're going

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Speaker 3: to hit a tipping point. Not that people are going

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Speaker 3: to stop watching. That's clearly not going to happen. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna watch however you give it to us, but that

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Speaker 3: you're going to take what made college football real special

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Speaker 3: in the interest of trying to recreate March Madness. If

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Speaker 3: you have a twenty eighteen playoff, how many regular season

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Speaker 3: games do we even have? If each conference had the

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Speaker 3: Big Ones have six, seven, eight automatic bids and then

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Speaker 3: the you know, the ACC and the Big twelve have

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Speaker 3: three or four automatic bids, why do those games matter?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Conference championships don't matter. You just run the risk of

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Speaker 3: watering down to product. Like in my America, I'm the

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Speaker 3: tzar of everything, which you know, maybe I'll run for it.

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Speaker 4: Who knows. Sorry, Notre Dame. I know you ended up

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Speaker 4: in the national championship game last year.

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Speaker 3: You lost in Northern Illinois. Sorry, play in a big

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Speaker 3: bowl game. But clearly I'm in the minority. Clearly, no

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Speaker 3: one who works with these conferences agrees with me. And

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Speaker 3: I understand more games on football will watch, but I

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Speaker 3: just when I see that the idea is the end

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Speaker 3: result could be a twenty eight team playoff and no

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Speaker 3: conference championship games, and.

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Speaker 4: Damn near over a third of your.

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Speaker 3: Conference will get automatic bids into the playoffs. Then what

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Speaker 3: does the Week four game even mean? If that's where

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Speaker 3: we're going. We're not there yet, but twenty four or

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Speaker 3: twenty eight teams. I do think there should be big

653
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Speaker 3: flashing red lights like caution, caution, like you do not

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Speaker 3: get too greedy for the playoff, and then you're ultimately

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Speaker 3: going to devalue your product in the regular season.

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Speaker 4: But I'll be there.

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Speaker 3: K State, Iowa stay week zero, let's go Texas, Ohio

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Speaker 3: State in a.

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Speaker 4: Week, let's go. I'll be there.

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Speaker 3: NFL starts up a couple of weeks from now, and

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about it because, you know, I've been

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Speaker 3: monitoring how these teams have been handling their preseason and

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, you know, national champion in college, right, he

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Speaker 3: is not going to play, doesn't sound like in the

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Speaker 3: final preseason game for the Minnesota Vikings, And I have

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Speaker 3: no problem with it. I would much rather my team

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Speaker 3: do the Sean McVay route than the Andy Reid route.

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid plays his guys, he risks the injury.

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Speaker 4: They start fresh.

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Speaker 3: Sean mcvayh doesn't play his guys. I'd sit everybody because

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Speaker 3: football is just a game of injury. He saw Derek

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Speaker 3: Harmon get injured for the Steelers their first round pick,

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Speaker 3: massive loss to the Steelers run defense.

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Speaker 4: But JJ McCarthy is going to basically.

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Speaker 3: Have thrown seven passes and then We're going to see

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Speaker 3: him start for a team that won fourteen games last year,

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Speaker 3: with a team that absolutely rightfully believes despite what prognosticators,

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Speaker 3: talking heads, and odds makers suggest, they believe that they

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Speaker 3: can win the Super Bowl. With Kevin o'ca donalla as

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Speaker 3: the head coach and Brian Flores the defensive coordinator, and

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Speaker 3: their offensive line and their skill position group, they absolutely

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Speaker 3: believe that they can win the super Bowl. And while

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Speaker 3: I do not believe that they can win the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl this year, I do believe that JJ McCarthy is

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Speaker 3: the answer for them at quarterback, which sets up a

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Speaker 3: very interesting potential, like called like a secondary storyline for

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Speaker 3: this NFL year, which is the twenty twenty four draft

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Speaker 3: class I believe is going to be looked at as

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Speaker 3: a historically successful one. It might not be the best

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Speaker 3: draft class ever, like it might not be the Lway

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Speaker 3: Marino Cally the eighty three draft class, and we'll see

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Speaker 3: how it ends up stacking up to the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: draft class.

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Speaker 4: But where I think it will make history is.

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Speaker 3: That they are going to go they being the NFL,

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Speaker 3: it feels like they are going to go six for

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Speaker 3: six on first round picks. Signing second contracts with their teams.

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Speaker 3: I believe that every team that drafted a quarterback in

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Speaker 3: the first round last year is happy.

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Speaker 4: With their selection now.

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Speaker 3: They might redo the order, right like Jaden Daniels would

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Speaker 3: probably go first based on how he went last year.

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Speaker 3: I understand that bow Knicks would maybe go in front

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Speaker 3: of Michael Pennox based on how he went last year.

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Speaker 3: But the Bears are happy with Caleb obviously, the Commanders

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Speaker 3: are thrilled with Jaden. The Patriots are happy with Drake May,

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Speaker 3: who passes the eye test.

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Speaker 4: In a number of ways.

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Speaker 3: Bo Knicks looked like he couldn't play football the first

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Speaker 3: four games of last year. By the end of it,

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Speaker 3: he has the second most passing touchdowns for a rookie

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Speaker 3: in NFL history and is in the postseason. Michael Pennix

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Speaker 3: plays three games for the Falcons and unlock the offense

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Speaker 3: in a way that, while his numbers were not spectacular

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Speaker 3: only three passing touchdowns like Jean Robinson, Drake London downfield

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Speaker 3: passing yards per play like it looked a lot more

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Speaker 3: potentially explosive.

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Speaker 4: They use those first round picks on Pitts.

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Speaker 3: And Bijon and London, and then they finally get a

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Speaker 3: quarterback who's willing to throw the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: And then there's JJ McCarthy, who I know that there

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Speaker 3: is some doubt and some skepticism over because he suffered

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Speaker 3: the injury. He didn't throw a ton in college and

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Speaker 3: we haven't seen him do it in the NFL. But

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Speaker 3: there is there's a group of coaches that get the

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Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt. Andy Reid gets the benefit of

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Speaker 3: the doubt. Mike McVeigh gets the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin from a lot of people gets the benefit

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Speaker 3: of the doubt. Sean McVay, obviously, I think Matt Lafleur,

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Speaker 3: with how Jordan Love has looked, has entered into that conversation.

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Speaker 4: But Kevin O'Connell should be right there. Also.

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Speaker 3: If Kevin O'Connell can get Kirk Cousins to throw for

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Speaker 3: nearly five thousand yards and then they can move on

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Speaker 3: from him, and then he can get Sam Donald to

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Speaker 3: throw for forty five hundred yards and thirty touchdowns and

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Speaker 3: win fourteen games and have Sam Donald in a position

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Speaker 3: to get a one hundred million dollar contract.

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Speaker 4: And then they can move on from him and they

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Speaker 4: trade it up.

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Speaker 3: I know they just traded up one spot, but still

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Speaker 3: they traded up to.

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Speaker 4: Draft JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell through his actions is telling you that I

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Speaker 3: believe that JJ McCarthy is better than both Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: and Kirk Cousins. And even though I have not seen

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Speaker 3: him play in the NFL other than the seven preseason passes,

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Speaker 3: I'm inclined to believe him. And so there has been

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Speaker 3: no draft class in NFL history that has ever had

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Speaker 3: six guys line a second contract with the team that

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Speaker 3: drafted him. The class of Burrow and Herbert and Tua

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Speaker 3: and Love and Hurts is the record. The twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: class that had five guys sign second contracts with the

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Speaker 3: team that drafted him. Who's the one that you would

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Speaker 3: doubt the most to get a second contract out of

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Speaker 3: that class? Jaden a lock? Bo Nicks playoffs year one

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Speaker 3: a lock. We're gonna talk to Robert Mays next hour.

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Speaker 3: Smart of an NFL guy as there is Chicago based

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Speaker 3: Bears fan. I know he's got some doubts on Caleb

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Speaker 3: and I know second contract, but I think he would

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Speaker 3: still even say that Caleb is a lock to get it,

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Speaker 3: because say, listen, second contract doesn't mean that you're great.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones got a second contract with the Giants, Trevor

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Speaker 3: Lawrence got a second contract with the Jaguars. But we

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Speaker 3: talk so much about it's so hard to scout the position,

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Speaker 3: and there's such a high bust rate. I think the

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Speaker 3: NFL well in these teams Falcons, Patriots, Bears, Broncos, Commanders

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Speaker 3: and Patriots. I think they're going to go six for

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Speaker 3: six with no busts, six for six with quarterbacks who

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Speaker 3: get second contracts. And it's a thing we've never seen before.

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Speaker 3: And I know the doubt is I'm McCarthy, but Kevin

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Speaker 3: O'Connell deserves more benefit of the doubt than any of

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Speaker 3: the guys leading any.

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Speaker 4: Of those other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Coming up our number three of the herd, the aforementioned

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Speaker 3: Robert Mays, the Bear, Chris Filika will be here. We'll

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Speaker 3: try to make some money together. Well, there's a ton

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Speaker 3: of nonsense coming out of Dallas. I try to translate.

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Speaker 3: What does it mean next?

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Speaker 4: The herd