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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Walk on the Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky back together, Buck.

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Speaker 1: How you doing how your travels?

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Speaker 2: Man? Man? I am good. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because we both were doing back to football weekend.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think we came on back to back

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Speaker 3: then I saw you show up at Colt's camp and

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Speaker 3: you also came back to you go to ox Starch

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cowboys yesterday? Yeah, so you had you had an

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Speaker 2: interesting thing. But no, it was great, man. I think

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Speaker 3: Part about going to those camps you get a chance

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Speaker 3: it's another thing to have that face to face interaction.

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Speaker 2: Because you not only talk to the guys that you know.

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Speaker 3: I had a chance to talk to Brian Flores for

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Speaker 3: being able to reconnect and talk to those guys. We

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Speaker 2: Chisholm is nice.

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Speaker 3: My guy and talking and had a chance to talk

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Speaker 2: So to me, there's so much value.

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Speaker 3: There's no different than when we go and scout in

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Speaker 1: Do you remember, you know, go back to the scouting

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Speaker 1: Way, no doubt. Let's start with the teams that we

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Speaker 1: went to, Buck, Why don't you kick us off here?

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Speaker 3: Not only you bring in a brilliant mind that you

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Speaker 1: you know, quickly. It looked like his mind was working quickly,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't in a panic, if that makes any sense.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it makes a lot of sense. DJ.

439
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Speaker 3: I had a chance to see some of the highlights,

440
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Speaker 3: not only when you were there, but some of the

441
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Speaker 3: throws that he's made through our camp and just how

442
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Speaker 3: they're marveling about his arm talent and just the flick

443
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Speaker 3: of the wrists and the ball flying and those things.

444
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Speaker 3: And I've said this man, this pick reminds me of

445
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Speaker 3: when Jannis was drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks. And if

446
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Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson hits, it may change the way that we

447
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Speaker 3: scout and draft quarterbacks. It may really become all in

448
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Speaker 3: on traits and a will build them from the ground up.

449
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Speaker 3: And the reason why I compare it to Jannis because

450
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Speaker 3: with Jannis, when he was coming from Greece, you saw

451
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Speaker 3: the length, the athleticism, you saw the potential, but you

452
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Speaker 3: knew that it took kind of a developmental process to

453
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Speaker 3: get them ready to play. And Anthony Richardson is very

454
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Speaker 3: similar because you have a guy who physically has all

455
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Speaker 3: the things like if we could create a quarterback, he

456
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Speaker 3: has all of those traits that you would want to

457
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Speaker 3: put on. The creative quarterback plan now is how can

458
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Speaker 3: you teach him how to play the position and how

459
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Speaker 3: do you build an offense around what he already does? Well,

460
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Speaker 3: think about how can it evolve over the next two, three,

461
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Speaker 3: four or five years with this kind of player, at

462
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Speaker 3: this kind of athlete.

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Speaker 1: At quarterback, Well, it's true. It'll be interesting to see

464
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Speaker 1: how that impacts scouting as we go forward. The one

465
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Speaker 1: thing and what's lead us to this Jonathan Taylor discussion.

466
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Speaker 1: The biggest takeaway that I had is you always say,

467
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Speaker 1: and we do this as we go through the year,

468
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Speaker 1: like what's the formula? Like what every team has a

469
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Speaker 1: different formula. There's more than one way to get to

470
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Speaker 1: the finish line to win games. But you know, good

471
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Speaker 1: teams have an identity and a formula for getting there.

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Speaker 1: So I always try and leave these training camps say Okay,

473
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Speaker 1: what's the formula going to be for this team?

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Speaker 2: And with these guys.

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Speaker 1: I look out there and I see, okay, Alec Pierce,

476
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Speaker 1: big wide receiver. I see Michael Pittman, big physical wide receiver.

477
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Speaker 1: I see Moley Cox, and I see oh gosh, what Jelonnie.

478
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Speaker 2: Woods like to.

479
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Speaker 1: You know, twin towers out there at tight ends. And

480
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Speaker 1: I see Quenton Nelson And I'm looking at this group saying, okay,

481
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Speaker 1: this the identity of this team is a bully, Like

482
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Speaker 1: that's that's when they're at their best. You look on

483
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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Really, what jumps out

484
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Speaker 1: when you look at the defense was great to see

485
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Speaker 1: Shaq Lennard back out there. But really, and even talking

486
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Speaker 1: to the coaches, they echoed this, it's it's the Forest

487
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Speaker 1: Buckner and Grover Stewart like that. Those guys are big,

488
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Speaker 1: physical bullies. So if that's your identity and that's your formula,

489
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Speaker 1: the biggest bully on your team is Jonathan Taylor, So

490
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Speaker 1: what are we doing? That's your debo? Like that's I mean,

491
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Speaker 1: not Deebo Samuel, like Deebo from Friday, Like, this is

492
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Speaker 1: the guy, this is the neighborhood bully, and this is

493
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Speaker 1: the identity of your team. And with the young quarterback,

494
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Speaker 1: he's going to take that pressure off.

495
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Speaker 2: Like it just it doesn't. He's a bigger chess piece.

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Speaker 2: Like we did.

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Speaker 1: We did this last week and we talked about the

498
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Speaker 1: reason we are where we are and we kind of

499
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Speaker 1: tried to show both sides of it. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: of all these different running back situations, because of the

501
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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, the identity of this team, the new coach

502
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Speaker 1: coming in, trying to get this thing built, trying to

503
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Speaker 1: get it up and running to me, that's the one

504
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Speaker 1: that you say, all right, man, hey, we're not going

505
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Speaker 1: to go long, but we'll go two to three years,

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Speaker 1: you know, get that. You know whatever that number was,

507
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Speaker 1: you know what was the the number for the contracts

508
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Speaker 1: we had a couple of years, it was like twelve million,

509
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Speaker 1: Like it had started with McCaffrey. It had been like

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Speaker 1: sixteen and then it kind of came back down and settled.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's cause like Aaron Jones and somebody else, they all

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Speaker 1: kind of that twelve million range, hey.

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Speaker 3: Man, Like Carl Lee, I think is what three year

515
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Speaker 3: thirty six thousand miles?

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Speaker 2: Hey man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, three year thirty thirty six thirty six yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: would make him turn it down at least at least

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Speaker 1: make him turn it down. And then I would say,

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Speaker 1: and this is like inside baseball here, but I'd leak

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Speaker 1: the heck out of that thing.

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Speaker 2: I would go.

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Speaker 1: I would go to a rite, a local writer, whoever

524
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Speaker 1: you want to go to, and be like, look, man,

525
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Speaker 1: we offered Jonathan Taylor three for thirty six twelve million

526
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Speaker 1: a year, and he turned it down. So you can

527
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Speaker 1: now make him answer the questions. We're not answering any

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Speaker 1: more questions.

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Speaker 3: Make him answer the question because and I've said this,

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Speaker 3: and I want people to understand because there's a faction.

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Speaker 3: People don't want to draft him high, and he also

532
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Speaker 3: don't want to pay him. I'm saying with the Jonathan Taylor,

533
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Speaker 3: the reason why you offer him that least deal, that

534
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Speaker 3: three year thirty six is because you still have all

535
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Speaker 3: the leverage now. So you're like, hey man, look it's

536
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Speaker 3: three for thirty six, or you're gonna play for four

537
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Speaker 3: point three this year fifth year option tag and then

538
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Speaker 3: I'm enfranchise you twice.

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Speaker 1: Yeas, No, he's no fifth year option because he's a

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Speaker 1: seventh pick.

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Speaker 2: He's six. So you look at the.

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Speaker 1: Tag, is what ten? It's under eleven, So you're gonna

543
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Speaker 1: get two years for fifteen. But we're gonna do We're

544
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Speaker 1: gonna do right by you and recognize what you mean

545
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Speaker 1: to this team, what you mean in the locker room,

546
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Speaker 1: all counts. Great teammate, great guy, What you're going to

547
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Speaker 1: mean to our rookie quarterback. You're can give you a

548
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Speaker 1: little sugar. And I don't think that like I don't

549
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Speaker 1: think it's like you say, oh, you just don't have

550
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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 2: Why would you do that?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, the Eagles didn't have to give

553
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Speaker 1: Lane Johnson the le extra money either, But they recognize

554
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Speaker 1: who he is and what he means, and they did.

555
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Speaker 3: So there's that fine line between a is business and

556
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Speaker 3: then when it's personal, like everybody understands business, and I

557
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Speaker 3: think there's a way to appeal to him with hey man,

558
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Speaker 3: this is business, like, this is what the market will

559
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Speaker 3: bear for you. It's unfortunate, but this is where we're at. Yeah,

560
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Speaker 3: So you have to make a decision, drove on some

561
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Speaker 3: or none. Yeah, and if you will make none, that

562
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Speaker 3: that's silly, that's silly on you. But here's what it is.

563
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Speaker 3: And even if you just said the two years.

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Speaker 1: Even he just said the two years twenty four, like

565
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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do, two years twenty four because

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Speaker 1: right now, as it stands, you're looking at two years

567
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Speaker 1: and seven million a year. This is going to give

568
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Speaker 1: you two years a twelve million a year. Make him

569
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Speaker 1: turn it down. Just make him turn it down. It

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Speaker 1: changes the whole narrative of the whole conversation. Look at

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Speaker 1: the Saquon narrative that like similar situations, right, but obviously

572
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Speaker 1: has a fifthyear option. Obviously Sakon was making more money.

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Speaker 1: But now it got out what they offered Saquon, and

574
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Speaker 1: now you're like, man, Saquon, look, I know it's not sixteen.

575
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Speaker 1: You should have taken that deal, man, Like, that's more

576
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Speaker 1: money than you're gonna get on these tags. Remember what

577
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Speaker 1: what did they offer him? Because I've seen I think

578
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Speaker 1: it was I think it was thirteen. Wasn't it like

579
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Speaker 1: thirteen for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had him either way, DJ, they had him

581
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Speaker 2: either way.

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Speaker 3: Like, so Saquon is the perfect example because guess what

583
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: two franchise tagsh twenty four million?

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Like I.

585
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Speaker 3: Got you a twelve regardless, like either way, So how

586
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Speaker 3: do you want it? I can give you a little

587
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Speaker 3: extra sugar. I can give you make it feel make

588
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Speaker 3: you feel good about it. But this is what the

589
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Speaker 3: position will bear. And if I had the vehicle in

590
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Speaker 3: the franchise tag, my job as the general manager is

591
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Speaker 3: to deploy that as I see fit. And with running backs,

592
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Speaker 3: it makes sense to use the franchise tag because you're

593
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Speaker 3: leasing the car. You're not buying the car, you're leasing

594
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Speaker 3: the car. And so that's the thing. Now, I'll say

595
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Speaker 3: this us. They also should have backstopped Jonathan Taylor because

596
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: this had to be something that ownership had to talk about.

597
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Speaker 3: So at this point, I got to make sure I

598
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Speaker 3: have a I gotta have a guy behind him that's

599
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Speaker 3: a high end guy, because he's not If he's not there, no,

600
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Speaker 3: because now I'm killing the quarterback.

601
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have anybody. You don't have anybody that

602
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Speaker 2: concerns you. I know, Zach Moss was kind of the playing.

603
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Speaker 1: He's out, Yeah, avan hole. You know, it's kind of

604
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not bad. Interesting guy, but still nonetheless

605
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: not bad.

606
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Speaker 3: It's not that advanced Gauten report going in and you

607
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: talk to the decoordinator, Hey, man.

608
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Speaker 2: Who we got to stop? He's not he's not making

609
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Speaker 2: us I mean, hey, guys it So that's that's why.

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Speaker 1: That's why I tweeted out, and I got a lot

611
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Speaker 1: of blowback on it, but I was like, uh, I

612
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Speaker 1: actually I want to pull it up to make sure

613
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Speaker 1: that I read it correctly because I don't want to

614
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Speaker 1: misstated here. But you know, you leave these things. I

615
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: was trying to like say, okay, tweet like some of

616
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Speaker 1: my takeaways from you know what I saw?

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Speaker 2: What have you? So?

618
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Speaker 1: I said, uh, let's see, Jonathan Taylor didn't practice. He

619
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Speaker 1: changes the whole dynamic of this offense far and away

620
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Speaker 1: the most explosive element for this team. Hopefully they get

621
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Speaker 1: things resolved. And then this guy says, how does an

622
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Speaker 1: injured player change the dynamics of an offense and get

623
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Speaker 1: a new deal? And uh, And my response to that

624
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: was without without him on the field, they have solid

625
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Speaker 1: skill players, but they lack an explosive element that changes

626
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Speaker 1: the looks you get from the defense. He's their biggest

627
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Speaker 1: difference maker on offense. Therefore the dynamics significantly changes when

628
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Speaker 1: he's not out there. Does that make sense? And I

629
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Speaker 1: always go back to when we were doing advanced scouting

630
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Speaker 1: reports and you have to talk to the coaches and

631
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Speaker 1: you go in there and say, okay, this is you

632
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Speaker 1: can't let this guy beat you. You know, this is

633
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Speaker 1: the guy circle him, he's a problem. I remember. I

634
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Speaker 1: always go back when we tell the story about playing

635
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Speaker 1: the Panthers and it was Steve Smith and Julius Peppers, like,

636
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: whatever we got to do, do not let those two

637
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: guys beat you, because that that is that is it,

638
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: that is what they're going to come at you with.

639
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: And sure enough, those guys, you know, one of those

640
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: game ended up winning the game basically by themselves. Jonathan

641
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: Taylor's that guy. Outside of him, I don't think you're

642
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: getting many sleepless nights for any of those other guys.

643
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: Players not playing.

644
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: So at the beginning of the pot when you talked

645
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: about the coach, you talked about the size and those

646
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: things you talk about. Michael Pittman and Alec Pierce he

647
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: was and Moiley Cox, all those guys are great. But

648
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: DJ if we went to the defensive coordinator and said,

649
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: hey man, they got this guy and this guy and

650
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: this guy, none of those guys commands a double team.

651
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: Now.

652
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: The only guy who makes you change the way that

653
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: you play defensively is Jonathan Taylor.

654
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: Because when Jonathan Taylor's on the field.

655
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: You have to have the conversation we need the extra

656
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: in the box to slow him down if he's not

657
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: on the field. Oh man, I'm not saying this easy peasy,

658
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: but you're getting the vanilla you getting day one. You're

659
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: getting jabs. You're getting jabs.

660
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Like to me, like when you look at that offense

661
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: they got, they got a lot of guys that can

662
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: throw nice jab. Jonathan Taylor can deliver the knockout punch's

663
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: fifty sixty seventy, you know, like that's a different deal.

664
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor's the one guy on offense that changes the

665
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: way that you have to and in a league where

666
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: we talk about.

667
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: It, look, man, it's players, not plays. You got to

668
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: have players.

669
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: When you have players, it dictates the plays that you

670
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: can run to get the others off. He is important

671
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: because he allows the other guys to get loose off

672
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: of all the attention that he commands. Without him, none

673
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: of those guys can defeat one on one coverage. None

674
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: of those guys are are game changing weapons that you

675
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: have to really come up with different game.

676
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: Plans to defend.

677
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Give you one more quick story, then we'll move on

678
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: to the cowboys. But uh, the practice is ending. It

679
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: was really kind of a bizarre scene, kind of set

680
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the scene for you. So where our tent is and

681
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: it's me RHTT and Ian and then we're right at

682
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: the end zone and then right beyond the end zone

683
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: is Ersay's bus. So we get word early on that

684
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor is in the bus with Ersa. Ian has

685
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: this information. Ian then quickly learns that he's demanded a trade.

686
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: So Ian has this information. I'm like, have you tweeted out?

687
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: And he's like nah, I gotta wait until Ersay is

688
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna until they get off the bus, or say, I'll

689
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: do some media stuff. I'll wait till he's done with

690
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: the media and then I'll put out the tweet. Right,

691
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: So Ersa's taken forever with the media, and then finally,

692
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, he gets done. Ian still waiting for him.

693
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: He's in his golf cart. He's got his his uh.

694
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if there I believe his bodyguards or

695
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: assistance or whatever with him. So the cart's starting to

696
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: pull away, and so Ian's gonna wait till he gets

697
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: off the field. They know he'll send the tweet. Well, anyways, fans,

698
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of fans off to the side behind

699
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: the fence yelling, mister Ersay, we signed this, we signed this.

700
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: But he goes he goes stop to stop the cart.

701
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Stop the carts. They stopped the cart, and he goes, sorry, I.

702
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Don't have time to come over there and sign, but here,

703
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: take this, hands an envelope to the to the bodyguard

704
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: or slash assistant. He goes over, hands it to the fan.

705
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe it's like tickets to a preseason game

706
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: or something. Right, the fan, I can just I see

707
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: him open the envelope, but I can't see what's in

708
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: the envelope. And this guy is losing his mind, like

709
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: jumping up and down, and I'm like, what the heck

710
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: is in the envelope? And then the guy, the guy

711
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: next him, goes, what what is? He goes, it's two

712
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars cash.

713
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: He gave him two grand cash.

714
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: You know what you just did? You just get some

715
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: security on the way to your car, bud Nah.

716
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: Not only that, you just made me want to go

717
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: to a colts practice and be a civilion.

718
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: Once that day it's out. Yeah, there's Anthony Richardson. Oh

720
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's the forest party.

721
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: Mister, you're a favorite owner, You're my favorite owner.

722
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say let me get let me get the bag.

723
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Two K.

724
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: I went to training camp and walked out with two K.

725
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: That's great.

726
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was class out of dying laughing man. But

727
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I guess they said he does that kind of stuff

728
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: all the time, like maybe not that amount of money,

729
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: but like he'll come with one hundred dollars bills and

730
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: stuff and just go randomly hnd him out to people.

731
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: But anyways, he ended up leaving the field Ian Lobb

732
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the tweet and then you know, obviously everyone went crazy

733
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: with this with the whole trade request. So fascinating day

734
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: there at Colts Camp. The next one, Cowboys was up there.

735
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Great visit. Man, they you so much access, like and

736
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: not that the Colts weren't great. I mean they had

737
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: us right through on the field, but in terms of

738
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: what they let us shoot, like the Cowboys let you shoot.

739
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: They just have to shoot it tight. You know, they't

740
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: want to see the whole formation. But they've kind of

741
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: they've embraced the America's Team thing. And there's five or

742
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: six radio stations that are doing live broadcasts from there

743
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: from Dallas. Every TV anchor is there. I mean, it is.

744
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: It is the My kids have two kids to go

745
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: to college in Texas and they i mean Cowboy games on.

746
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: You can't do anything with your friends because they're all

747
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: huddle around a TV watching the Cowboys.

748
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: So when you open it up like that, what you

749
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 3: do is you create a generation of fans. When you

750
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: give access, you create lifelong fans now, good, better and different.

751
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: We talked about the Cowboys and the fact they haven't

752
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl since the mid nineties, but they

753
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: still are quote unquote America's team. You still value is

754
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: through the roof DJ when you go up there for

755
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: training camp. Just so people understand, you have no idea

756
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: how packed it is. It is packed in Oxnard is

757
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: a ways away from LA but it is absolutely to

758
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: the gills when you walk up in there, you look

759
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: at the stands, it.

760
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: Is packed every day. They can't get enough of it.

761
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: It really is kind of the pro version of what

762
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: the concert or the rock star celebrity status that SC

763
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: used to have when Pete Carroll was there, when Pete Carroll's.

764
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: Like, hey man, we're good. No matter y'all can know

765
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: what it.

766
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Is, we gonna open it up on them.

767
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: And everyone fell in love with se during the time

768
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: because the access that they were that they gave, I mean,

769
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: it was unprecedent. And so with the Cowboys they embrace now,

770
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: let everyone come in and see what we have and

771
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: talk about the star and whether you talk about us, good, bad,

772
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: or in different you're talking about us. And so Jerry

773
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: Jones understands the marketing part of the Cowboys, But I

774
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: also think overall, I think they feel like they're gonna

775
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: be pretty good. And I think because they feel like

776
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: they're pretty good. They're not afraid to kind of like

777
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: let people kind of see what's going on defensively.

778
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: I heard you guys talk about Michael Parsons and how

779
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: he absolutely.

780
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: Stupid practice me a little bit about it a little bit.

781
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: It was like a three place seekers where you like sack, sack, forceball,

782
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: like just something like absolutely but like, okay, Mike, we're

783
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: gonna take you out, so we neck in practice.

784
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: He he uh, he hit Tyron Smith, He got upfield

785
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: on Tyron Smith, got him to overset inside arm, dumped him,

786
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: dumped him, and then you know he's winning with speed.

787
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Then he does off a spin. Then it's the run

788
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: game and he's knifing through. You know, it was it

789
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: was fascinating, you know, talking to different coaches and even

790
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: talking to players, like even talking to Brandon Cooks. Brandon

791
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: Cooks have been around Aaron Donald, you know, obviously the

792
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: best defensive player in the league, and he said they're

793
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: so similar and that they're they're supremely gifted, like rare,

794
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: rare gifts, but like maniacal, obsessive, you know type guys

795
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: that we've talked about this stuff before. Peyton Manning, you know,

796
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant stuff like it seems like he's wired like that,

797
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: like just insanely competitive. And you know, I know we

798
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: had this conversation last year and I can't remember which

799
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: one of us brought it up, but I know obviously

800
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: with you playing with Derek Thomas that we said, if

801
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: you just deployed him full time off the edge, like,

802
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: how is he not getting twenty sacks? He's a twenty

803
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: sack guy like that that sounds high, That's like, oh

804
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: is that would?

805
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: I would?

806
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: I would wager a nice lunch that he would get

807
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: twenty sacks if you let him rush off the edge

808
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: full time.

809
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: And the thing is, like, what he has the opportunity

810
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: is not only rush off the edge full time. Let's

811
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: just say we're gonna rush you full time, like we're

812
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: going to allow you to find a tomato can and

813
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: we're going to allow you to just line up and

814
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: wear him out. So look, we have a three man

815
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: front and Mike, yeah, hey man, you just tell them

816
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: wherever you're going before the snap.

817
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: And will adjust to you.

818
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: Because dj, what they were doing is they were wearing

819
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: people out where they were letting him work one on

820
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: one on guards. You know they couldn't use it by

821
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: the his ability to go off the edge. And I

822
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: think that I guess the funny thing, DJ, And here's

823
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: the part sometimes an evaluation when guys come out the

824
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 3: other stuff, right, the noise off the field or whatever,

825
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: him coming out.

826
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: Of here, immaturity.

827
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean that the biggest thing was there was a

828
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: concern about immaturity and it doesn't seem an issue at all.

829
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: And then I'm you're sitting there looking like, man, like

830
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: this is a freak show athlete who when you look

831
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: him play, he has number one overall pick ability, you

832
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, and we just couldn't see

833
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: because of all the other stuff. But like, this dude

834
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: is a freak show when it comes to how he's

835
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: able to attack and do that. And when you have

836
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: those kinds of players that you can build your defense around,

837
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's scary.

838
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: It's scary how good this guy can be. Yeah, it was.

839
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: It was an impressive show. It's good of a training

840
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: camp practice as I've seen from a player just dominant,

841
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: dominant player. Now keep in mind, on the other side,

842
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: if you're going to say what concerns you a little

843
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: bit about this team as it is right now. The

844
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: offensive line can serns me Tyron and then some of

845
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: it's going up against Micah. But Tyron looked a little

846
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: bit old. He's Martin's not there. He hadn't been good

847
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years.

848
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tyron's been old for wow man like they've

849
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: had replace at Tymas Smith.

850
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: How did he look up there? Yeah?

851
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: He was playing inside a guard. I was playing left guard.

852
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Then you had so but you had no Zach Martin,

853
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: you had Terrence Steele wasn't He wasn't doing much. He's

854
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: still coming back from injury. He'll be back in there.

855
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: He'll be fine. But that was you know, there was

856
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: some heat. They got some heat on Dak. Now they

857
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: are pushing the ball down the field. Brandon Cook's uh

858
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: caught a big one. They you know, Seedee Lamb's a stud.

859
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: So they're getting the ball down the field. They're gonna

860
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: be fine offensively. The Tony Pollard, I think the only

861
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: concern there is I don't you know he was He's

862
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: easing him back in coming off injury. I hope they

863
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: don't overload him. They need to divvy up Zeke's carries

864
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: and spread those out. I think more is less almost

865
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: with him like that, uh or less is more just

866
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, to me get let him, let him handle

867
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: the ball enough, but not too much, because that's when

868
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: you lose some of his effectiveness. I don't think people understand.

869
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: They go, oh, if you had this many yards and

870
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: this may touchdowns on this many carries, it's going to

871
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: obviously double if we double those. No no, no, no, he's

872
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: not built to handle that.

873
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: So here's the thing, because you slipped up. You talked

874
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: about Zeke being there. Yeah, I believe they need to

875
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: re sign Zeke. Look by now the price tag has

876
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: come down, so you should be able to get him

877
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: one of the things.

878
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: And he's no longer there.

879
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: But Skip Pete used to talk about with Tony Pollard

880
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: and Ezekiel Elliott. He was like, think of you being

881
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: a guy who has two cars in the garage, right,

882
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: and so DJ we've seen people who kind of live

883
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: this life like Sunday is the Corvette car, right, Like

884
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: Saturday Sunday the weekend, it's the pun car. We're going

885
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 3: to the beach, drop the top, we're going re cruising.

886
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: What Tony Pollitt is that car? But then you got

887
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: to go to work during the week, the commuter, right,

888
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: you need to Dan want us a little more. A

889
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: yas miledge you used to can get beat up a

890
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: little bit. That is what Ezekiel Elliott was for them.

891
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: And if you try to make Tony Pollard the Corvette

892
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 3: your everyday car, you wear it out. When you think

893
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: about those tires, those high profile tires and low profile

894
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: tires and all of this stuff, you wear it all out.

895
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: That's not Tony polyt Tony polyit is a twelve to

896
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: fifteen touch guy. You want him to maximize the touch

897
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: of twelve fifty. You give him twenty, you gonna wear

898
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: them out. He's not a sedan, and so they need

899
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: to make sure that they have somebody in the stable

900
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: that can be the sedan, that can be the heavy duty.

901
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: A man, I'm just gonna go around town. I'm pick

902
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: up the groceries and do all that other stuff. And

903
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: I'm concerned right now that they don't have that person

904
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: in the fole because it impacts the way that you

905
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: overuse Tony Polld and by the end of the season

906
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: he won't be able to give you the bang for

907
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: the buck that you want from him.

908
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

909
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: I just think you look at that basket of carries

910
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: that he had and either you bring him back and

911
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: give him the same basket, or you take that basket

912
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: and you disperse it amongst three or four other guys,

913
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: and maybe Deuce Fawn gets a little bit of that

914
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: as well. Who's going to be a fun player for

915
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: them in a limited role? But offensively, you know, I

916
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: think they're still going to be dynamic, but they're stilling

917
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: to score points. The offensive line would be my concern.

918
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb again caught some down the field. The one

919
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: thing that I just put a little bit of pause

920
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: on because Seede Lamb said in an interview while we

921
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: were there, not with us, but I think it was

922
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: on local radio. He had said, you know, vertical, like

923
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a lot more vertical and all this

924
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Well then, and Ceciliano brought it up like,

925
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: if you look at Ceedee Lamb, he had the second

926
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: most explosive plays in the league last year. It's just

927
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: the majority of them were coming run after catch, And

928
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: so I brought and so I brought up the point,

929
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, as a former quarterback and a crappy one.

930
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: If you told me I can get a fifty yard

931
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: completion by throwing the ball fifty yards, or I can

932
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: get a fifty yard completion by throwing the ball five yards,

933
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to throw it five. I mean, like, you've

934
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: got run after catch guys like Ceedee Lamb's elite run

935
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: after catch. So why be obsessed with trying to get

936
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: him over the top. I don't need to get him

937
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: over the top. Just let him uncover and get him

938
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: the ball in space and let him go.

939
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's a big thing. The other thing is this, DJ.

940
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: The league is transitioning where they're not letting you throw

941
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: the ball them. No, they're putting the roof up.

942
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: Look, everyone is putting the umbrella up, like, hey, we're

943
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: gonna play quarters coverage. We're gonna make you dink it

944
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: and ducket and we're gonna rally and tackle and so

945
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: as much as we talk about this stuff and that

946
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: stuff is great looking in training camp, right oh man,

947
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: we're just throwing at the crowd goes crazy.

948
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: DJ.

949
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 3: The number one thing the most defense coordinators is gonna

950
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: tell you don't let the ball fly to the top

951
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: of the defense it's the quickest way to lose a game.

952
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: Keep it in front, rally and tackle and make them

953
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: drive the length of the field. We've seen more teams

954
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: employ that straight you see it every week with Brandon stated,

955
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, you're not getting the deep ball. You're

956
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: gonna have all that stuff underneath it. We're rally attacker,

957
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 3: and then we'll be great in the red zone. Well,

958
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: we're not letting you have these two three play scoring

959
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: drives where you hit a bomb and explosive play. They're

960
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: not going to be able to generate the kind of

961
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: explosive where you just line up and just throw it

962
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: over the top of the defense.

963
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen.

964
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Which I'm gonna take us in a different direction real quick.

965
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: But again, it's another reminder of how unbelievable Andy Reid is.

966
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: He saw where this was going. Like we talked about

967
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: all these trees and all this kind of stuff, and

968
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: somehow Andy's off in his own little island. Andy saw, okay,

969
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: we are torching people with explosives, torching them, and all

970
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden he starts seeing that. And we saw

971
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: it in the Buffalo game that first time we were

972
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: doing Amazon Thursday night game that put the safeties in

973
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: the parking lot. They're not giving you that, and Andy

974
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of was. So then he goes into that next offseason,

975
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, love you unbelievable, but they're not gonna they're

976
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: not gonna give us some of that look some of

977
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: those looks anymore. So you know, we love you a

978
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: great player, but we're going to figure out how to

979
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: beat this. What we know, we I know what we're

980
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: gonna see every week. So I'm gonna get a collection

981
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: of guys, run after catch. Guys we can get Juicemith, Schuster, these,

982
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, all these different guys run after catch, and

983
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: then we'll go out there and bludge in the league.

984
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: And when when they want to try and employ this

985
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: new strategy and.

986
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: Look in it, I mean, it's worked out for him

987
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: and it'll be it'll be a time where look everyone,

988
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: when when everyone is zigging, you want to zag.

989
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: And so that's just the way it is.

990
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 3: And as the defenses begin to catch with the offense,

991
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you'll see this thing continue to shay. And

992
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: so the evolution of the Cowboys offense that I want

993
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: to see is Mike McCarthy would seemingly grow frustrated with

994
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: Kellen Moore despite Kellen Moore's success as offensive coordinator, So

995
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: what does Mike McCarthy do differently? He has shot n

996
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer, their infold as offensive coordinator. So you want

997
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: to think, okay, well, what's the running game? But when

998
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: we just talked about Tony Pother, do they have a banker?

999
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: How can they manufacture that running game that they talk

1000
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: about doing? And so to me, it'll just be interesting

1001
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: to see how the Cowboys play. But the one point

1002
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: that came out of the report when you're up there,

1003
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: they talked about Dak Prescott having full ownership, Yeah, the

1004
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: offense kind of being able to call his own plays,

1005
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: being everything at his disposal. When you get to that,

1006
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 3: this is around the time where quarterbacks should be like that.

1007
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: You don't see Justin Herbert have that in a year

1008
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: or two where they're like, hey, man, here's the game plan, Yeah,

1009
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: go do it.

1010
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of go take us the way that

1011
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: you want us and we kind of follow your lead

1012
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: with Dak Prescott's at that point. And so it's a

1013
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: pivotal year for Dak Prescott because now now you want

1014
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: to see Dak Prescott play like one of those top

1015
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: seven or eight quarterbacks in the league. The Cowboys account

1016
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: on that. It's not only the pay, but it's what

1017
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: they're doing. They're giving him the ownership to do it,

1018
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: so now he's going to be accountable for his performance

1019
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: in the offensive performance.

1020
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is.

1021
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: It is a good team and the talented team, a

1022
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: balanced team on both sides. I did see another number

1023
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: they put up. I think Dak is like seven and

1024
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: one in his last eight division games, So they have

1025
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: done very well in that division.

1026
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: The division. He's been great against the division.

1027
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: They got to win the games outside the division though,

1028
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: and try and bring that title back home. But it's

1029
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: going to be a fun It's going to be a

1030
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: fun matchup with them in Philly this year. I think

1031
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, the Cowboys always get attention, but it

1032
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: feels like for me, the expectation, at least in the

1033
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: media is, you know, nine out of ten are going

1034
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: to say the Eagle's gonna win that division just because the.

1035
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 2: Roster is stacked.

1036
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: But I think the Cowboys are a dangerous team and

1037
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I think they're very much in it. They got a

1038
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: real shot in this thing. There's a confidence. There's kind

1039
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: of maybe a little bit more of a subtle quiet

1040
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: confidence there. Maybe not quite as as brash as maybe

1041
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: it's been in the past, but you can tell it's

1042
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: a confident group.

1043
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, very confident group, like they're ready. And so we'll

1044
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: see how it plays out.

1045
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: I just know this.

1046
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: The AFC is crazy competitive with the quarterback play and

1047
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: that stuff, and then the NFC is this one. Man,

1048
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: if you got a top level quarterback or a quarterback

1049
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: who has the potential get to the top, you not

1050
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: only have an opportunity when you division, man, but you

1051
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: could go right to the show because the quarterback play

1052
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: in the NFC is significantly.

1053
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: As not as competitive.

1054
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: As AFC, and so that gives Cowboys and the Eagles

1055
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: an opportunity to really take a major jump over some

1056
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: of the competition when it.

1057
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: Comes to it.

1058
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this one, buck. I know we're

1059
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: doing something right when I get these random conversations which

1060
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: told you about the one in Alaska, big Bucky Brooks fan,

1061
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: big Move to Sticks podcast fan. When I'm in Sitka,

1062
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: Alaska of all places. Then I was at going through

1063
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: TSA and Indy, and uh, you know, put my bag

1064
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: on the conveyor belt and the walk bike so you

1065
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: can pick up your bag over there, and he like

1066
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: leans in, and I thought he was gonna tell me, like,

1067
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, you got you're hearing a water or something.

1068
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to the security lengles. I love

1069
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: the pod. Love the pod. Indy TSA, I hear you.

1070
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: Uh so it's like, you know, I love I love

1071
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: that that. If you guys see us out and about

1072
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: NFL settings or even just kind of at the mall, shoot,

1073
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: we love to We love to hear those stories. So

1074
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: it means that that we're doing something right, so we

1075
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Anything else you want to add, Buck.

1076
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: No, No, it is great. Man.

1077
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: It's the first time of year. We got training camp.

1078
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: We are on the horizon of the preseason game. Once

1079
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: that first preseason game, man, it is odd to the

1080
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: middle of February.

1081
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Speaker 2: So a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of fun. We are We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: out to some more camps, so we'll give you the

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Speaker 1: updates on those, maybe even give you a couple of

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Speaker 1: names here. I know we are a football pod with

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Speaker 1: a scouting background, but I know you guys got some

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Speaker 1: fantasy drafts. Coming up, so we might give you a

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Speaker 1: couple of nuggets, a couple names of some guys to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on out there, and we'll see if

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Speaker 1: we can help you win your league this year. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us, thanks to the Bill,

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Speaker 1: best producer in the business, and we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Right here on, Move the sticks, m