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Speaker 1: Carrel Owens TEO is live on the line of this

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Speaker 1: right now. Hello, Terrell Owens, John Murphy and Steve Task

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Speaker 1: are up for in Buffalo. Thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, how are you guys doing? We're doing good.

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Speaker 1: How about you? Where are you in Alabama working out?

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Speaker 1: Did I hear? Are you in Dallas? Where are you

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Speaker 1: hanging out these days? No? Actually, right now, I'm in

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Speaker 1: I'm in Florida, Florida. Yeah, I mean, and you have

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Speaker 1: launched what you're calling the COVID nineteen Driveway Challenge. What's

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Speaker 1: it all about, Aryl? Uh? Yeah, So obviously when I

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Speaker 1: played in Philly, I had to infamous sit up press

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Speaker 1: conference and all that good that's going on, Yes, I recall, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So so honestly, I would just basically just trying to

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Speaker 1: do my part, you know, just just trying to really

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Speaker 1: kind of inspire motivate people. Obviously during this uh you know,

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Speaker 1: unexpected um, you know, time that we're dealing with COVID nineteen,

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Speaker 1: just really just encourage people to kind of just stay

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Speaker 1: at home. And then obviously if you're at home, you're

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Speaker 1: not really doing a whole lot. I'm sure a lot

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Speaker 1: of families out there across the country. What is I

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Speaker 1: think it's been about four weeks now. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of us probably have gotten to know each other

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Speaker 1: real well, um and and probably ready for this thing

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Speaker 1: to be able with. But just to try to get

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Speaker 1: people to you know, just you know, just just trying

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Speaker 1: if you're at home, you just trying to do something

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Speaker 1: with your time. And a lot of people been doing puzzles.

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Speaker 1: I know, I have board games, uh, and creatively, you know.

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Speaker 1: I tried to get some you know, get people to

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Speaker 1: do nineteen uh nineteen situps in their driveway, whether they

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Speaker 1: like I said in the in the video, just do

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Speaker 1: it old school. Get somebody to hold your feet down

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Speaker 1: and crank out those nineteen uh those nineteen push up

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Speaker 1: for the COVID nineteen pandemic. I gotta be I gotta

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Speaker 1: that's that might be, that might be playing What do

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Speaker 1: you what do you remember about your time of arriving

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Speaker 1: what do you remember about the very first time you

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Speaker 1: so many years ago? Um? You know, honestly, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the opportunities that were very very limited. Um, honestly, I

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Speaker 1: within the National Football League, you know, teams, GMS owners

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Speaker 1: that feel like you're over the hill. Um that obviously

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Speaker 1: and and I honestly I put myself in that in

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Speaker 1: so when the opportunity arose, you know, UM, I kind

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Speaker 1: This offense can make big plays. You would call that play,

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