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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 4: On each episode, and we'll discuss the reasons we now

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Speaker 4: know that our loved ones have survived physical death and

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Speaker 4: so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 4: home today with a cough and a cold that snuggled

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Speaker 4: under the covers, So today you're going to hear four

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Speaker 4: very interesting experiences, one shared death experience, and three near

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Speaker 4: death experiences. I'm going to let them do most of

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Speaker 4: the talking. Here's our first one. Meet Lisa.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 6: I'm Lisa Jones, and I am a former certified public

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Speaker 6: accountant for pricewaterhouse Ernstignon, and I also have had a

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Speaker 6: shared death experience which changed my life. On February twenty second,

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Speaker 6: two thousand and four, my husband passed away after a

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Speaker 6: had lymphoma cancer, and he was forty four when he

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Speaker 6: what I call heaven. It was the most beautiful place

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Speaker 6: and Abundance coach, which is helping people as they are

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Speaker 7: I've had so many experiences through these shared death experiences

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Speaker 6: Here to now help people literally connect with their loved

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Speaker 6: It's just a new experience of a relationship with their soul.

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Speaker 4: Lisa, it sounds like you definitely are on your path.

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Speaker 4: If you want to find out more about Lisa, you

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Speaker 4: can visit her website, Being of Love and Light dot com.

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Speaker 4: If you scroll back through past episodes, lots of talk

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal Podcast Network. Welcome back

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Speaker 4: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're going

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Speaker 5: I was a baseball player. And if anyone would have

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Speaker 5: So I was playing baseball at this little tiny school

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Speaker 5: So that's what he did. He wheeled me into the

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Speaker 5: it off, as if it was just a dream, but

438
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 5: as if that didn't actually happen. At first, I didn't

439
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: want to admit it to myself that that was real,

440
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 5: because if I did, that would mean I'd have to

441
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Speaker 5: change my entire life and my entire identity, because my

442
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 5: identity was built around the voice in my head, and

443
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 5: when I was in that place, the voice in my

444
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 5: head didn't exist, and it felt as if I was

445
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 5: the real me. So the question that I was afraid

446
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 5: to answer was if I'm not the voice in my head,

447
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 5: then who am I. The weight of that question, especially

448
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 5: for me, I was only nineteen when it happened, it

449
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 5: was just too much for me to bear. So I

450
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 5: tried to sleep it under the rug as long as

451
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 5: I could, But I couldn't unsee or unexperience what I

452
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 5: saw and experienced. So it became real to me that, like, yeah,

453
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 5: the afterlife is real, and it was more real than

454
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 5: here the life that I lived before was built around

455
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 5: the idea that the voice in my head was me.

456
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 5: So when I came back, I tried to fit myself

457
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 5: back into that box, but it felt like I was

458
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 5: trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

459
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 5: It just didn't work. So my entire life change. What

460
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 5: I wanted to do with my life change, My ambitions

461
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 5: and dreams and goals changed, and my personality changed. You

462
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 5: know how athletes carry themselves just like very egotistical and

463
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: I'm better than you and I'm God's gift to this

464
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 5: earth type thing. And after this experience, I was just

465
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Speaker 5: humbled to the core because number one, I didn't believe

466
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Speaker 5: that death could actually happen to me, and so that

467
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: was really like shocking, like, oh my gosh, this is real.

468
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 5: And then two it was like I'm not God skifts

469
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 5: to Green Earth. You know, I'm just a regular guy.

470
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 5: I don't play baseball anymore. I did come back for

471
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 5: quite a few years after, but a few things happened.

472
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Speaker 5: You know, I just didn't love the game anymore. And

473
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: because of the fact that I didn't love the game,

474
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 5: my performance on the field was really bad and I

475
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 5: just fell out of love with it. But I will

476
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 5: say that I am re entering the game as a

477
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 5: coach because it does mean a lot to me, and

478
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: it gave me a lot and it taught me a lot,

479
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 5: so I'd like to give back to it. It's okay

480
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 5: to trust in the idea that death is not scary,

481
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Speaker 5: and you can use that to live a life without

482
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 5: fear and to do good for this world, because someone

483
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 5: is going to inherit the world that we leave behind,

484
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 5: and it is our job to teach whoever is going

485
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 5: to do so that same concept that death is not scary,

486
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 5: to have faith and to put your trust in some

487
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 5: higher power because we can't do it alone. And right

488
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 5: now things seem like they're scary, and right now, more

489
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 5: than ever, I think we just need a lot of

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Speaker 5: faith and a lot of love.

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Speaker 4: Faith and love are definitely needed. And don't take that

492
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: little voice in your head's words so seriously, it's out

493
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: for its survival, not necessarily yours. It's not speaking the truth.

494
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Speaker 4: Quiet the mind and tap into that truth. Buba is

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Speaker 4: busy writing his book, so we wish him well on that.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the break and we'll be back with

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Speaker 4: another near death experience. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 4: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and cost to cost Am Pirinormal

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Speaker 4: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife, Sandra Champlain. Next,

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Speaker 4: we'll hear Anastagia's near death experience.

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Speaker 8: In December of twenty nineteen, I had an invasive dental

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00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 8: procedure done and it had required me to be sedated

503
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 8: and have medication that I've never had before. The dentist

504
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 8: started to preparations, put a mask over my face, and

505
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 8: I started taking in Knights's oxide, and as the dentist

506
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 8: then went on to prepare some of the other things

507
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 8: in the room, kept getting this really strange feeling, the

508
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 8: sensation starting to come over me. It was like I

509
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 8: was lifting up out of my body when I was breathing,

510
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 8: and then I would fall back down again, and then

511
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 8: I would lift up and I'd fall back down again.

512
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 8: As is continued, it wasn't subsiding, and I was getting

513
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 8: a little bit concerned, and having never done this before,

514
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 8: I didn't know if it was normal or if it

515
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 8: was something that I should raise to the dentist. So

516
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 8: I just kept quiet because I didn't want to disturb

517
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 8: the dentist. And as it started to continue, it got

518
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 8: to a point to where I really felt like I

519
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 8: was coming way out of my body, and I came

520
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 8: back down and I thought, Okay, that's it.

521
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 7: I probably need to say something.

522
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 8: And in the next breath, I'm no longer in the

523
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 8: dental chair, but I'm now up in the ceiling looking

524
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 8: down at myself in the chair. And now it's so

525
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 8: hard for me to explain everything from this point on

526
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 8: because what I experienced was outside of time. There was

527
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 8: really no feeling or sensation of time like we experience

528
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 8: here where one thing after another happens. It's more like

529
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 8: everything all happened simultaneously, and I can just try to

530
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 8: explain it like one thing happened after another, but it

531
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 8: really felt like it all happened at one time. And

532
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 8: so I'm looking down at my body and I'm thinking.

533
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 7: What am I doing up here?

534
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 8: And in that moment I realized something so profound. It

535
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 8: was like a flash of an epiphany, and I thought,

536
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 8: I just said what am I doing up here? I

537
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 8: didn't say what am I doing down there where my

538
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 8: body is?

539
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 7: I said what am I doing up here?

540
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 8: With whatever it was that I was at that time

541
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 8: in the ceiling, that part of me.

542
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 7: That was then.

543
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 8: Looking down at my physical body and I went, oh,

544
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 8: my gosh, we are not our bodies. And then my

545
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 8: very next thought was am I dead? And just like that,

546
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 8: I slipped over and I am now like inches away.

547
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 7: From the ceiling.

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00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 8: This is so interesting because if you remember being a

549
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 8: little kid and seeing something for the first time, and

550
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 8: I'm not talking about like something really ordinary, I'm talking

551
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 8: about an eclipse or something that you've never seen before

552
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 8: that just takes your breath away. I was looking at

553
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 8: all these little d tails in the ceiling and I

554
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 8: found them absolutely beautiful and miraculous, and I remember the

555
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 8: little particles of dust and the little cracks and just thinking,

556
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 8: that is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.

557
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 8: And just like that, it was like I blinked or

558
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 8: a lens came down over my face and I was gone.

559
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 7: I was out of the room.

560
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 8: Now at this point, I opened my eyes and what

561
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 8: seemed like a flash, like it was really almost like

562
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 8: a blink, and I am in absolute It's a void.

563
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 8: It's like it's nothing, but it's everything.

564
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 7: This feeling that I have is I am in.

565
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 8: Complete and total oneness in this place. This is where

566
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 8: it gets really really hard to try to describe each

567
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 8: piece because it all blended together as one. But I

568
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 8: had this feeling that wherever I I was one. I

569
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 8: didn't wonder where I was, I didn't worry about where

570
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 8: I was.

571
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 7: I didn't even really.

572
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 8: Have much recollection about the physical body that I just

573
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 8: came from. I knew who I was, that I had

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00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 8: an individual sense of self. I remember that, But I

575
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 8: remember so clearly that I was a part of this

576
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 8: what I call a oneness in this void. Now I

577
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 8: call it a void, but the better way to describe

578
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 8: it is like it's a void.

579
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 7: Of anything that isn't complete.

580
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 8: It felt like everything in this place was absolutely complete.

581
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 8: Everything that was to ever be known all existed there.

582
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 8: Every soul experience, every soul was absolutely a part of this,

583
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 8: and any experience that any of us have ever had

584
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 8: through any soul experience was all accessible there.

585
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 7: It was a place of absolute knowing.

586
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 8: Just like the time didn't exist when I was back

587
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 8: in the room but hovering over my body, time didn't

588
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 8: exist here at all either.

589
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 7: I've tried so hard.

590
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 8: To find the words to describe some of these pieces,

591
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 8: because we just don't have a vocabulary for something like this.

592
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 8: We don't live our day to day lives feeling at

593
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 8: one with everything. We don't walk past our mailbox and

594
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 8: feel like we're one with the mailbox. It's just not

595
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 8: the way we live our lives. So we don't have

596
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 8: a real vocabulary to describe these kinds of experiences. But

597
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 8: it was as if I was one with everything, and

598
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 8: that there had never been anything but.

599
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 7: Being one with everything.

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00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 8: And because of that, it felt like and it gave

601
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 8: me this sensation that I could look through the eyes

602
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 8: of every single soul that had ever existed, through all

603
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 8: time and through any experience ever, and that all I

604
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 8: had to do was just shit my awareness to something

605
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 8: and I would be able to.

606
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 7: Know it now.

607
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 8: As I was picking up this like sensation that I

608
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 8: was connecting to tumping so big.

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 7: I wanted to know everything.

610
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 8: I remember wanting to know this and wanting to know

611
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 8: that because there was still this part of me that

612
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 8: had my individuality, and then there was this part of

613
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 8: me that was connected to this oneness, to this everything,

614
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 8: and I couldn't ask a question, no matter what I

615
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 8: would try to do, I couldn't form a question. All

616
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 8: I could do was be curious about it. It feels

617
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 8: to me that when I reflect back on that, the

618
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 8: reason I couldn't form a question is because everything was

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 8: already known.

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00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 7: It would have been impossible for.

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 8: There to have been a question, because if there was

622
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 8: a question, that would mean that something's not answered. And

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00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 8: in this place, everything was answered. Everything was already known,

624
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 8: every outcome already complete. As I was taking this in,

625
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 8: I felt myself expanding, if you will. As I was

626
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 8: taking in all of this knowing, it felt like it

627
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 8: was gaining like an acceleration or.

628
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 7: A momentum, and it was getting.

629
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 8: Bigger and bigger and bigger, and all of a sudden

630
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 8: it stopped and I was back in the dental chair again.

631
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 8: At this point, it was like I kind of felt

632
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 8: like I had a foot in two worlds. It felt

633
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 8: like I was still back in the void, and it

634
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 8: felt like I was in the dental chair and the

635
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 8: dentist was there.

636
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 7: He had his hand on me.

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00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 8: He's like, are you okay? And I remember hearing his words,

638
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 8: I remember knowing what he was saying, and I remember

639
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 8: responding with like, yeah, I'm okay. But my interest was

640
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 8: not in the dentist at all. Where before this whole

641
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 8: thing started, I was so concerned about what was happening

642
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 8: with me when I was starting to float above my body.

643
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 8: That was good, on that concern out the window. At

644
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 8: this point, all I wanted to do was hold on

645
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 8: to that connection that I had, because it seemed like

646
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 8: it was like an aperture.

647
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 7: And as time was going when I came back.

648
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 8: It was closing down, and all of that knowing, all

649
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 8: of that access to everything was slipping away. It felt

650
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 8: like it was just slipping through my fingers and I

651
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 8: was grasping and I wanted to hold on to absolutely

652
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 8: everything I could possibly hold on to, but there was

653
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 8: nothing I could do.

654
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 7: The connection was closing.

655
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 8: Of all the things that I brought back, I wish

656
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 8: I would have brought back all of the knowing, but

657
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 8: I brought back some really specific things. I feel like

658
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 8: I still have somewhat of a foot in that place still,

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00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 8: like the door is like cracked open. It hasn't completely closed,

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00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 8: but I don't have that intimate connection that I had

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00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 8: when I was there.

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00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 7: When I was in the dental chair, and when.

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00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 8: I came back, I immediately thought, Okay, we are not our body.

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00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 8: That is so obvious. We are so much more than

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00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 8: our body. And I use the word soul because I

666
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 8: don't have a better word. There may be a better

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00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 8: word that really represents the part of us that is

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00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 8: more than our physical body. But without having a better word,

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00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 8: I'll use the word soul. That we are a soul

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00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 8: in a physical body, and that our physical bodies are

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00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 8: nothing more than like a sensory tool for us to

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00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 8: collect sensory information about the physical experience, and that it

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00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 8: gets shared at the soul level, because the soul ultimately

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00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 8: wants to have a direct physical experience and to be

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00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 8: able to create here in a physical life.

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00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 7: The soul is absolutely complete. That part of me that.

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00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 8: Went into this boy, that went into this oneness was

678
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 8: absolutely complete. That's been something that, without a doubt, was

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 8: so clear to me. But it was also clear to

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00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 8: me that with that completeness, it also meant in that

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00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 8: place that I was at, there was no good or bad.

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00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 8: There is no right or wrong. There are no lessons

683
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 8: to learn in the physical life. Now, how you live

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 8: your life here in a physical world absolutely is going

685
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 8: to have a good or a bad sensation for you,

686
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 8: depending on your experience. If you experience something traumatic, it's

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00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 8: not going to feel good. If you experience something blissful,

688
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 8: it's going to feel great. But those actions as they

689
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 8: translate to the other side, did not translate in my

690
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 8: experience into anything that meant that you would be judged.

691
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 8: And that judgment is not like a sorting tool. It's

692
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 8: not like the Harry Potter sorting hat. Right, You're not

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00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 8: going to go into this place or this place depending

694
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 8: on your actions. It was really about you reconnecting to

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00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 8: this part of you that you've always been connected to,

696
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 8: but you didn't have the ability to bring it into

697
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 8: your physical body for whatever reason. So when you connect

698
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 8: to that oneness on the other side, you have the

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00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 8: ability to create these experiences that you want to have

700
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 8: in the afterlife. The connection of oneness, of bliss, of

701
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 8: peacefulness in this place is unlike anything I have ever

702
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 8: experienced in this physical life. But I understood that it's

703
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 8: not like we're trying to check boxes here to get

704
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 8: into an afterlife that we ultimately want to have forever

705
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 8: and ever and ever. It felt very much like we

706
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 8: are learning to bring that bliss that's a part of

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00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 8: us at the soul level into our physical experiences.

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Speaker 4: Powerful words and to remember we are all connected. Time

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Speaker 4: for our break and Welcome back with a very different

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00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: near death experience listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining me on my sick day. My

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00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: voice might sound a little funny, but the passion to

715
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: share great evidence of the afterlife is still with me.

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Speaker 4: The last voice you heard was Anastasia. You can find

717
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: out more about her at the website The Healingheart dot com.

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00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: She is a founder of a wellness studio in Illinois.

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00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: I'm struck by these words from Bubba, how we are

720
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: not that ego mind, that we get to love that

721
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: go and just be our pure soul self on the

722
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: other side, And from Anastasia that we are all connected,

723
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: so we might think a little differently dealing with people, animals, objects, whatever.

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00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 4: And from Lisa in the first segment, she shares her

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00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: belief that near death experiences are comforting to your own beliefs.

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00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: The next story is Jim Bruton, who is a pilot

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00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: and I know pilots, having both a brother and a father.

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00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 4: Airline pilots with very analytical minds. So this is quite

729
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: a different near death experience, but it makes sense knowing

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00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: Jim's a person who likes to understand how things work.

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00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: My name is Jim Bruton, and on October six, twenty sixteen,

732
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: I was in a really bad plane crash. I ruptured

733
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: both lungs, I broke all my ribs, I broke my

734
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: right leg and multiple plays, had a hole in my

735
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: lower back from a battery breaking loose and hitting me.

736
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: And luckily there was a man fishing nearby a lake

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00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: where I was aiming for who was able to come

738
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: over keep me propped up, called nine to one one

739
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: and got a medical helicopter and to pull me out.

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00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Once the helicopter landed, extracted me and took me up

741
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: to Hartford, Connecticut's Trauma Center to a waiting team of physicians.

742
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: They were able to put me into a breathing machine

743
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: and put breathing tubes down my throat and then contact

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00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: my family. When my family got there a few hours later,

745
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: they found me, you know, barely hanging on. I had

746
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: escaped my restraints once and they'd put me back in them,

747
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: and it was decided to put me into a medically

748
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: induced coma once they did, I teleported. It was no

749
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: tunnel I was going through like it was commonly reported,

750
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: I literally teleported to this terrace of a tall, gray

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00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: building in a post apocalyptic landscape. Imagine a city like

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00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: New York a thousand years after a meteor strike or

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00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: a nuclear blast, and just how horrible that would look.

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00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: And I was also underneath these tremendous storm clouds that

755
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: looked like they were just ready to cut loose again

756
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: with the Mother of all storms. But I wasn't afraid.

757
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: There was no sense of foreboding. I was just taking

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00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: it all in and excepting this is where I am

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00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: right now. All of a sudden, I was hit by

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00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: this wave of nausea in my stomach, and I doubled

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00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: over in pain and grabbed my stomach and I said,

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00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I can stand this. And when I

763
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: said that, I heard this light clacking sound off to

764
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: my left, and I looked over and saw what looked

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00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: like maybe a four story tall sculpture of an egg

766
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: made out of lattice work, meaning there were a lot

767
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: of open spaces in it, and I can see through it,

768
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and within those open spaces I could see these slight movements.

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00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: So I was able to make my way over to

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00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: this egg and look through the open lattice work to

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00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: its interior, and then I saw these hovering in space,

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00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: freely suspended, little gears spinning around. Now, when we think

773
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: of a gear, we think of a circle with teeth

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00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: all the way around it. These particular gears were called

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00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: sector gears, and they're partial arc of that gear. You

776
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: usually find them in clocks, and they have a beginning

777
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: in the middle and an end to their sweep, and

778
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: that's significant in a certain way. As I looked at

779
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: these gears, I could see that some were definite and

780
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: some were not, and they could pass through each other

781
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: like ghosts. They were also very hard to focus on.

782
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: I think it's because they represented probabilities. And for that,

783
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, when I looked at them, even though they

784
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: might not be in focus, a video feed would play

785
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: inside my head of what they represented. I would see myself,

786
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: maybe as an older man, or I'd see my children

787
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: with their children. So I realized these are events in

788
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: my future, hence that they should be slightly out of

789
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: focus because their probabilities. Because each moment is a decision

790
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: point of a million possibilities, and as I looked at it,

791
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, okay, what is this thing? And with that,

792
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: this disembodied voice came and kept me company the entire time.

793
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: It said, this is the future, berthing into the now,

794
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: this is the process of becoming. And my fingers, as

795
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I reached through the lattice work to see if I

796
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: could touch them, brushed by one of the more solid

797
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: appearing gears. And as I touched it, within my mind

798
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I could see something like a video feed of those

799
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: future events. And that's when I doubled over in pain.

800
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Obviously this was a gear that was not good. And

801
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: then with a reflex, I ripped that gear out, pulling

802
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: it through the egg's lattice wall to throw it over

803
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: my shoulder. And the machine then responded by spinning all

804
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: those gears around again to recalibrate for missing one. And

805
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I said, what's happening now? Each gear is the probability

806
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: of a word or action in your future. Your destiny

807
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: is resetting itself around what you have removed. I said,

808
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: how did I know I could do that? Pull that

809
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: gear out, removing that future moment? And I said, why

810
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: else are you gear? I said, I have no idea.

811
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know what this place is. And I said,

812
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: you are in the end between. I said, in between

813
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: what I said, everything the impossible now between the past

814
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: and the future. It's impossible, and its short duration, yet

815
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: it expands across universes. You are standing in the side

816
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: of an eternity, of a single moment. And then it

817
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: asked me, do you remember the world do which your

818
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: body belongs? I thought really hard, and I said, I

819
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: have no idea. I said, then you see the truth

820
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: and how the past is dust. I said, okay, why

821
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: do some of these gears, these futures that I touch,

822
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: make me sick and not others? And I said, all

823
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: choices have unintended consequences, some unfortunate and some not. The

824
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: pain each brings is your guide. And I said, where

825
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: are the gears that feel good? He said, You're not

826
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: here to feel good. And then I saw more gears

827
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: emerge within view, some passing through the others, Several clear

828
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: and definite, many less so and hard to focus on,

829
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: though all bringing with them their clear images of meaning.

830
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: Each time they would come to rest, I would search

831
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: around in there until I found one that caused me pain,

832
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: and I would remove it, the one that would be

833
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: to my future detriment. And at one point I looked

834
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: at the growing pile of gears and I said, it's

835
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: starting to look like if I don't have a bad future,

836
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: that have no future at all. Even though I'm now

837
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: starting to feel less pain, am I going to die

838
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: sooner from doing all this? And they said, your destiny

839
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: has to fit itself around futures that aren't meant to be.

840
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: Your number of breaths are already counted, I will worry

841
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: about your last one. I said, I don't know how

842
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: comforting that is. And they said, eliminating bad choices doesn't

843
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: mean you want to make wrong ones. You won't know

844
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: there wrong until after they pass. And since right and

845
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: wrong are variables over which you have no control, the

846
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: answer is to what come tomorrow are a waste? Better

847
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: is understanding the beauty of how things fit and refit together.

848
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: I said, So what am I missing here in my

849
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: lack of understanding? I said, what is clearly before you grace.

850
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: No one deserves salvation, but it can only be given

851
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: by grace. It's your birthright that it has to be

852
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: chosen at the expense of the world, that separates us,

853
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: and I said, this fixing my future is painful, and

854
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: I feel ashamed. I'm not doing it with some moral compass.

855
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: I'm only guided by pain. I don't even know where

856
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: when these futures happen. They said, where is no more

857
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: important than what? Or when? Removing your enthusiasm to further

858
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: chain yourself to the world isn't as painful as carrying

859
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: the crushing weight of those chains once forged around you.

860
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: I said, it says if this place was made so

861
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: that I can do one thing, and one thing only,

862
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: with no chance to screw it up. And the voice

863
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: then said, if those with choices make poor use of them,

864
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: then offering fewer possibilities could be called mercy. I watch

865
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: your gear disintegrate into dust as it passed out of

866
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: view from the present to the past, and the voice said,

867
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: you cannot change the past, but you can make better

868
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: choices in the future. Everything is interconnected, and pay more

869
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: attention to your relationships. Be gentle with everyone, as I'm

870
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: gentle with you. I said, gentle, what's gentle about all this?

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Speaker 1: And said, you prayed for something for which being here

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Speaker 1: is the answer. And now the man who fell from

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Speaker 1: the sky is not the same who flew into it.

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Speaker 1: With that, I looked at across that dead city, just

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Speaker 1: took it all in one final time and put my

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Speaker 1: hand on the egg and I said, I think I

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Speaker 1: can live with this now. And with that it pretty

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Speaker 1: much booted me out and I came back to Earth,

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Speaker 1: then woke up in a rehabilitation hospital taking this all in.

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Speaker 4: There's certainly a lot more to Jim Bruton's story. He's

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Speaker 4: the author of two books, The in Between, A Trip

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Speaker 4: of a Lifetime and The Practice in Between, the Art

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Speaker 4: of Letting Go. His website is in Between Productions dot com.

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Speaker 4: We are all souls having a human experience, and we

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Speaker 4: may have a slightly different experience when we pass over

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Speaker 4: the rest. Assured, you'll be greeted by loved ones, pets

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Speaker 4: in a place that seems so similar to Earth, that

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Speaker 4: we're connected to everything. You'll feel an amazing sense of

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Speaker 4: love like you've never experienced here on Earth, and so

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Speaker 4: much more. I want to leave you with one of

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Speaker 4: my favorite stories. It's called Creation, a Sioux Indian story.

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Speaker 4: The Creator gathered all of Creation and said, I want

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Speaker 4: to hide something from humans until they are ready for it.

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Speaker 4: It is the realization that they create their own reality.

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Speaker 4: The eagle said, give it to me. I will take

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Speaker 4: it to the moon. The Creator said, no, one day

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Speaker 4: they will go there and find it. The salmon said,

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Speaker 4: I will bury it on the bottom of the ocean. No,

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Speaker 4: they will go there too. The buffalo said, I will

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Speaker 4: bury it on the great Plains. The Creator said, they

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Speaker 4: will cut into the skin of the earth and find

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Speaker 4: it even there. Grandmother Mole, who lives in the breast

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Speaker 4: of Mother Earth and who has no physical eyes but

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Speaker 4: sees with spiritual eyes, said put it inside of them,

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Speaker 4: and the Creator said it is done. So, my friends,

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Speaker 4: our words, our thoughts, our actions are oh so powerful.

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Speaker 4: Remember that. Don't forget to come visit atweedotdie dot com

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Speaker 4: much more. Until we meet again, I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife

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