WEBVTT - The Playbook: Colton Underwood 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.920 Chris Harrison. Coming to you from well not the friendly 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.840 confines of Austin, Texas. This week, I'm actually on the road. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.640 The beautiful, lovely Lauren Zema has whisked me away for 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.840 a birthday retreat, little birthday gift, a little get away 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.080 and here with friends and surrounded by the ones I 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.360 love and it's been an amazing week fifty two. Celebrating 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.600 fifty two this week. Not a big person that worries 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.400 about age, are you? 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:41.519 You know? 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.760 I know people that are that hate celebrating birthdays, that 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.400 worry about getting older. I feel like every trip around 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.640 the sun is something to be celebrated, something to be 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.640 grateful for. It is something that I have earned getting 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:54.360 to fifty two. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:55.880 So I'm proud of it. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.240 Have no problem because I am also having one of 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.760 the best times of my life and loving my life 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.520 right now, so that always helps as well. But yeah, 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.440 so celebrating the big five to two with a bunch 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.440 of friends and it has been a wonderful week. We'll 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.160 have to get back to the motherland of Austin, Texas soon, 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.840 but until then we will enjoy tequila or two and 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:26.080 some great red wine and some laughs. When we started 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:31.200 doing the playbook episodes, we immediately got some calls and 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.040 some you know, direct messages on social media about things 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.440 we should talk about. And by the way, continue to 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.400 drop your comments, send us those messages on at the 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.720 most dramatic pod ever our Instagram handle. Let us know 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.880 things you would like us to talk about. I say 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.080 us either myself, I can get an interview or obviously 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.400 LZ will join me from time to time. But the 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.240 first thing that came up, and we heard this quite 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:02.880 a bit and it was kind of interesting, was to 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:08.480 talk about the infamous fence jump, the Colton Underwood fence 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.840 jump during his season of the Bachelor. And as funny, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.360 as I turned fifty two, I think back on you know, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.040 that was a big part of my life, my adult life. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.600 I started hosting when I was thirty is when the 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.040 show began, and did it for about twenty years. So 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.480 it took me to about when I was fifty. So 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.200 crazy to think of all the memorable moments, the iconic 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.920 moments that happened, but one that really resonated with you 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.600 was the Colton Underwood fence jump. And it's something that 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.440 I didn't really think about much at the time. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.079 I mean, it was a wild night. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.920 There in Portugal, and it was dramatic and it was 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.440 bizarre and all those things. But I never stopped to think. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.680 Often in those moments, this will be the moment, this 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.040 is the thing that's going to resonate with you. Y'all 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.920 are going to be talking about this and all the 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.560 tabloids and the new and this will be played over 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.320 and over and it'll be you know, memes or whatever. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.280 You don't often have that perspective in the moment. Sometimes 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.799 you do, for better or for worse. But for this one, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.400 I thought there were so many other things going on 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.079 in the season. I didn't know this would be known 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.960 as the fence jump season, but it was. And so 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.720 a couple of you you know, had mentioned on our messages, Hey, 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.680 would you talk about this? And I thought, well, if 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.480 we're going to talk about it, I got to call Colton. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.360 I mean, we have to have Colton Underwood on because 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.160 one thing that's very interesting is I've talked about the 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.640 fence jump from my perspective a few times. I've done 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:46.680 many interviews, but I've never talked about my perspective with Colton. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.280 I've actually never discussed the fence jump with him, and 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.240 there's some questions that I have for him because there's things, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.640 honestly I don't know, because obviously I only knew it 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.600 from my perspective, which wasn't much after, you know, I 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.160 saw him leap the fence and take off into the 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.840 Portuguese countryside. I was pretty much at a loss, literally 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.320 and figuratively. And it was a weird time too, because 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:17.159 personally there were some crazy things going on back home. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.400 And I don't know if you guys will remember this, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.120 especially those in California. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:22.880 I know you will. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:29.560 There were crazy wildfires going on. The big wildfires in 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:34.400 southern California around Los Angeles had just started, and some 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.560 friends of mine had evacuated from their house and he 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.200 called me. I was in Portugal in the middle of 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.599 the night, and he said, Hey, my wife, kids, we 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.640 got to evacuate. Can I know you're out of town. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.200 Can I please come to your house? 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:47.400 Absolutely? 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.000 So, one of my dear friends moved his family from 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.920 kind of the northern end of the Canejo Valley in 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.719 southern California to my house and it was about six 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.120 hours later when he called me back and said, hey, man, 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.440 is there anything you want me to grab in your house? 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:03.520 Because I have to leave. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:05.520 So what do you mean you can stay as long 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.400 as you want, don't worry about it. He says, no, no, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:13.480 We're being evacuated from your house. And I'm like, that's impossible. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.359 We live in the middle of you know, Westlake Village. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.960 There's this huge community. There's no way a fire's gotten there. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.320 And he says, yeah, is coming through the mountains and 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.240 the hills and we're evacuating Westlake Village. And so I 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.920 am and my kids and my ex wife and my 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.480 kids are obviously with my ex they're there in Westlake Village. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.080 So I immediately call them. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.760 And now I'm freaking out because it's the middle of 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.440 the night and everybody's being evacuated from their homes and 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.920 this fire is rushing through the neighborhood, and so I'm 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.520 kind of losing my mind and worried about my kids. Clearly, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.240 I get a hold of them, and quickly I realize 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.800 they are okay, and they're they're getting evacuated, and they're 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.600 they're all together and they're getting their stuff, and that's 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.400 all you care about. There's things you worry about. All 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.240 I care about are they out? Are you safe? And 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.840 so everybody got out safe. But I'm sitting half the 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.840 world away over in Portugal and I'm dealing with Coulton stuff. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.960 So you know, seventy five percent of my brain is 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.880 worried about my house, my kids, everything going on, and 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.279 I'm watching my security cameras and watching the smoke come by, 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.599 and it's really bizarre watching it from halfway around the world. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.360 And at the same time, I knew something was going 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.160 on with Coulton. I knew that there was this one 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.400 date that was probably going to be a little had 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.960 the potential to be combustible. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:36.480 And this was not. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.960 Abnormal. This happened quite a bit. I wasn't always on 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.120 the dates, but sometimes producers would call me and say, hey, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.240 something might be going down tonight. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:47.280 Be close. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.120 You should be around this particular date in the allgar 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.960 Of region of Portugal, which is kind of south of Lisbon. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.120 By a few hours. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.880 We were about an hour or so away from where 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.480 we were staying, and so I had to make a 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.080 concerted effort. They said you should be there. Wilson t 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.839 car will come over, and so I'm all dressed up 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.039 ready to go just in case, and so I often 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.159 do this, whether it was Bachelor, bacherrette, or even Paradise, 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.920 where I would sit around for hours on end. It's 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.640 not glamorous, it's not pretty. You're sitting in an old 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.400 hotel room or a control room or a garage or closet, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.240 and you're just sitting there for hours and hours, and 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.760 oftentimes nothing actually came of it. You know, what we 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.080 thought was going to happen didn't, so it didn't bear fruit, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.520 and I would just spend the night, you know, watching 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.280 what was going on and go home. Well, this night, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.880 obviously what we thought might happen did and then some 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.840 were we expecting all of this? No, I honestly thought 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.720 when I arrived, I would maybe just have to go 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.560 talk to Colton and discuss what was going on with 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.880 him and make sure he was okay. That's all we 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.440 really thought. When we thought it would be combustible. We 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.840 didn't think Colton is going to run from the show. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.560 Our bachelor is going to bolt and go a wall 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:08.360 and disappear into the countryside. Nobody was prepared for the jump, 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.080 and we're going to talk about that with Colton Underwood 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:26.920 when we come back. Look, if we are going to 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:31.200 talk about the infamous fence jump, it really involved two people, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.880 So I have to bring on the other person who 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.400 was a part of the jump, the most athletic move 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.200 I've probably seen in my life. Colton Underwood joining me 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.960 now as we open up the playbook on the infamous 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:45.120 fence jump in Portugal. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.040 How you doing, man, I'm good. How are you? I'm 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:48.600 doing great. 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.120 You know, it's funny some people have been kind of 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.120 direct messaging and sending us all these texts of like 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.560 things they want us to talk about on our little 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.880 Friday playbook, And they said, would Chris ever talk about 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.720 the fence jump? And I've kind of talked about it before, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.720 but I've actually, this is weird. I've never talked about 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:07.240 it with you. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:08.160 Yeah. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.080 I mean, I feel like, during like the promos and 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.520 press for my season, that was what everybody wanted to 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.120 talk about. But I really, I guess at the time, 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.400 couldn't say that you know what really went on behind 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:21.000 all of it. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.720 When I gave my perspective. And then obviously that night 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.320 there was this really kind of gray area where we 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.960 weren't together because you were off in the Portuguese countryside, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.079 and then obviously I can only pick the story back 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:36.080 up when we finally found you, and so there's a 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.280 lot to cover that I want to get into, and 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.120 so I will pick it up from my perspective of 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.720 Colton when he was upset walking towards the fence in 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.920 the first place, I thought I had the tiger cornered. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.280 I thought I had you caged. There's a gate in 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.720 front of you, there's a fence to the left, There's 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.400 nowhere for Colton to go. So that's why I kind 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.200 of slowed down, and I'm like, I'm gonna let him 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.520 have his his because he's going to turn around and 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.760 we're going to talk and we're going to hash this out. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.480 And that's when it happened. That's when. And here's what 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:09.000 I want to know. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.199 First, when did you decide that you were going to 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:13.360 actually jump the fence? 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.200 What moment? 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.240 Oh, I think, like if you rewatching it, like I 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:21.040 knew I was like dipping from the show, like midway 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.480 through that date. I think like I looked around the 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.640 room and like normally when you're on a date, there's 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.200 a few producers standing in corners, not making eye contact, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.880 but like behind camera, Yeah, and like as it was 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.480 going on, there was nobody in that room, and I 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.440 was like, nobody wants to look me in the eyes 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.720 right now and like see what they're doing. 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.960 So like midway through, I was like, oh, I'm piecing 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:42.480 out of here. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.000 And logistically I knew there were some challenges because like 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.520 when you're filming a show and you're on a date, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.960 you don't carry your wallet or passport, You don't carry 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.120 into any of the things you actually need to like 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.680 survive on your own, right. So I knew like midway 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.280 through the date as far as like getting out, I 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.520 would have loved if there was like a pedestrian gate 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.920 to the right of the actual fence, but I didn't 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.120 see anything, and I wasn't about to take more time 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:09.520 to look. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.360 So it was sort of a spur of the moment 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.120 thing when I got to the gate. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.280 And guys, I went back the day after to try 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.920 and recreate it because I'm like, was it as athletic 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.400 as I remembered from the night before, or like, was 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.600 it that big of a deal. It took me quite 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.839 some time because I pulled the footage. Once you leapt 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.920 into the air, you had one hand on the fence. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.439 Your foot did not touch the fence or the top. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.600 That was the most athletic part of that is that 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.160 you went from the ground on one side over about 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.800 a seven foot fence to the other's facide and I'm like, 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.200 he never touched the fence. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.000 You got some ops, man, Yeah, I mean. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.880 Looking back, it is one of my more athletic things 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.680 I think I've ever done in my entire for including sports, 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.560 just because of the fact that, like I normally don't 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:56.520 wear boots and jeans. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.960 I'm a very casual person when it comes to like 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.040 what I wear out. So the fact I did it. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.040 In like a trench coat slash jacket, I think I 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.480 was wearing maybe in jeans and boots. I was like, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.360 that just adds to adds to the complex date. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.640 And that's so it was genuine awe and shock. And 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.319 I don't know, I don't know if you still heard 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.120 this or you were gone by the time I said it, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.800 but you as soon as you jumped, that's when I 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.880 uttered the famous you just jumped the fucking fence. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.839 Yeah, I don't I don't know if I heard that first. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.040 I was a little in the zone at the time, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.600 but okay, So here's my perspective, and then I want 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.520 to hear what happened. The reason that I didn't care 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.040 that much that he jumped the fence. When I came 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.280 to work that day, there was a there was a 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.680 car and two security guards standing outside. And not like 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.680 security security, they're just like part of whoever our hired 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.960 crew was in Portugal. We're in the Portuguese We're in 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.960 the aligarf region. We are deep into the Portuguese countryside, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.920 in a very small town. And so you jumped the fence, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.960 and I'm like, well, there's two security guards right there. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.040 They'll keep an eye on him. And he just wants 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:03.960 to blow off some steam, not a big deal. So 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.080 I'm looking at because I'm not going over the fence. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:10.040 I'm looking at how to open this automatic fence. I do, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.960 and I walk through the fence into utter and complete darkness, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.240 and Colton is gone. So please pick it up from 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:18.760 your feet land on the ground. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.000 Where did you go? What happened? 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.520 Well, I was under the same impression as you. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.920 I was fully expecting to land on like a crafty 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.680 table like I thought, like I thought food was going 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.319 to be flying everywhere, and I was going to land 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.960 right into a producer's lap and I got over and 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:35.600 I like looked around. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.040 I was like, oh, this has to be a joke, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.080 like nobody's here. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:42.120 And it worked, and I was like, all right, well, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.640 I'm going to just walk towards the light and like 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.840 try to get to a city in some population, because 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.360 we truly were in the middle of nowhere. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.599 Yeah, and it's two and probably two two thirty in 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:52.480 the morning by this point. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:53.320 Yeah, it was. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.000 It was definitely early morning at the time, and I 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.080 just sort of headed towards the lights, and I I 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.240 didn't realize until probably halfway through that walk how far 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.280 those lights were actually away from me. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.320 As I'm like cutting. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.480 Through people's backyards and hearing wild animals and also like 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.760 hiding from the production vans that are like trying to 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:14.240 chase me. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.320 It just it, Yeah, it became it became a chase. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.640 Did you actually walk or did you jog or run 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.480 what like? Because I I don't know, I'm trying to 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.120 think back. It probably only took me about sixty seconds, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.120 maybe ninety seconds tops to get through that fence to 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.160 open it up and get through with the crew, and 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:33.120 there was nothing. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:33.880 You were gone. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.080 Yeah, I mean I definitely ran right after my feet 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.480 hit the hit the fence after the fence jumped, but 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.880 I slowed down. I'm not an endurance acute by any myself. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.160 I ran with you that that season, you are an 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.600 endurance athlete, please your professional So I. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.680 Was like, I got to pace myself. These lights are 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.920 really far away. I'm going to keep heading in this direction. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:56.800 But it's funny. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.640 So I got out and it was complete darkness, and 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.200 what I thought there was a dog barking down the 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.600 street to the right, and I thought, okay, he just 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.720 went by someone's yard and there's a dog barking. I'm 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.600 gonna walk down there. So I kind of start walking 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.160 and jogging down this street to chase you down, and 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.240 I realize it's a dead end and you must have 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.000 gone the other direction. So now I've wasted even more time. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:19.160 You were just gone. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.680 Well you want to know, I think, because you know 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.400 how like when things like that happen, you sort of 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:24.760 block out and you're like, I don't know if I'm 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:25.760 remembering this point right. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.360 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's their direction. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.520 I started in where I ran to and I was like, oh, 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.360 this is and I have to run the other way 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.520 back in front of the fence that I just jumped, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.520 so I have to make up time. I'm pretty sure 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.040 that's what happened, because I do know I went in 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:37.880 two different directions. 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.600 That one that makes sense, by the way, that was 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.840 that was like a leam Neeson move then, because you 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.000 caused that dog to bark and then ran the other direction. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.800 You guys went that way as I'm going this way. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.800 Yeah, you threw me off without even knowing it. That 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:50.640 well done. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.240 Yeah, well it was not intentional by any means, but 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:54.880 it works. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.360 So I start, you know it, ron it. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.000 Oh gosh, twenty minutes go by and we can't find 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.280 Colton and we're legitimately all now spreading out like okay, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.080 let's not worry about the show. Although they kept a 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.120 camera on me, and I start calling people in LA 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:11.520 and it's in the you know, the middle of the night, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.960 and I'm like, hey, uh, this is a weird one. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.560 But we've lost the Bachelor, like I lost a human 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.760 being in the Portuguese countryside. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.280 So where did you go and what were you doing 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:23.080 during all this? 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.400 I mean I was doing everything I could just not 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:28.520 to be found at the time. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:29.400 I just like you know. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.119 I think I said this in some of like the interviews, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.800 is you don't get you don't get much time to 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.400 like process or be by yourself at all, and sometimes 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.680 like that you know that's what you need. So I 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.400 think I was just trying to be alone. I was 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.120 in ditches, I was in people's backyards. I was next 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.320 to a dog at one point, Like it was, it 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.640 was truly wild. Like looking back, I probably would not 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.240 have stayed out there as long as I did, knowing 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.840 what wild animals exist in the nature. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.080 But I just needed alone. 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:13.760 Time knowing you as well as I do now and 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.880 knowing where your life is. Now do you look back, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.399 You're like, how is that my life? At any point? 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.600 How is how was I running through the Portuguese country 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.600 side trying to, you know, evade producers. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.040 I mean, honestly, it just makes more sense to me now. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.399 It's like only like only a gay man can be 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.080 that dramatic on a show. So I mean, to be 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.960 honest with you, I mean I had a lot of 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:41.800 obvious a lot. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.000 Of stuff that I was processing internally as. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.720 The show was going on, clearly. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.639 But yet like in the micro moments of like okay, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.840 now this is the only one that I sort of 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.320 wanted while I was trying to like figure out my 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.960 sexuality and it's not happening, and then this is all 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.080 like on top of it, these people don't understand what 0:17:59.160 --> 0:17:59.840 I'm going through. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:00.960 I didn't want to let them in. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.560 So it was it was a tough you know, it 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.159 was tough, and like even I don't know if you 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.200 remember this, but like I think I was. I was 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.560 one of maybe the only contestants that read my agreement 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.960 from like front to back, probably so I knew. I 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.760 think I like knew or remembered reading in there as 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.320 like when you ask for the therapist, the cameras have 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.800 to like legally be like taken down, like they have 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.520 to stop recording. So I remember, like you were like 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.359 calling at me, and I would like I think I 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.400 we went back and forth with like two or three lines, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.119 and then like my third line was just like I 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.800 need to talk to doctor who a therapist was at 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.120 the time, And I said, the next person I talked 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.320 to needs to be a therapist, and like that's when 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:43.040 like I remember the. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.639 Cameras because so but I want to back up about 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.600 five minutes before I we found you, you were in 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:50.119 a ditch. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:50.640 Correct. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.280 Is this true that you were in a ditch and 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.360 you kind of got scared out of that ditch by 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:55.320 an animal. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:56.640 Yeah. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.720 I mean at that point I just was like, okay, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.600 like this needs to end, because something's going to pop 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.560 out or bite me or do something to me that 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:05.200