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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 3: This week on the show, we are running Justin Hollinsworth

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Speaker 3: through our what would you Do gauntlet, in which I

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Speaker 3: will be giving him a series of hypothetical hunting situations

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Speaker 3: to see exactly how he'd handle them and why you'd

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Speaker 3: do it. All right, Welcome back to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by First Light and their brand new

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Speaker 3: white tail hunting line. Today on the show, we are

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Speaker 3: back with our what would you Do series. Two weeks

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Speaker 3: ago we had Aaron Warpton from The Hunting Public, and

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Speaker 3: today we have Justin Hollinsworth from Lone Wolf Custom Gear

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Speaker 3: and the White Tail Addictions Show. He's one of those

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Speaker 3: diehard deer hunters who just gets it done every single year.

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Speaker 3: He hunts mostly across the Midwest with a pretty aggressive style.

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Speaker 3: He's one of those andre Toquisto disciples who you know,

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Speaker 3: has proven time and time again to know how to

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Speaker 3: kill big old bucks. He does it in a very mobile,

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Speaker 3: you know, very running gun kind of way, and he's

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Speaker 3: he's one of those guys I really enjoyed chatting with

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Speaker 3: over the years. So we've talked to him, I think

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Speaker 3: twice before, once to get a deep dive into one

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Speaker 3: of the bucks he killed a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 3: and then maybe three, four or five years ago we

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Speaker 2: An overall, you know, breakdown of how he hunts.

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Speaker 3: So today, in this new episode, we're taking this quote

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Speaker 3: unquote what would you do approach, So if you haven't

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Speaker 3: heard the episode two weeks ago or in past years

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Speaker 3: and we've done this, the basic idea is that I

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Speaker 3: present justin very specific hypothetical hunting scenarios, so you know,

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Speaker 3: something like, imagine you're in Ohio on October fifteenth with

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Speaker 3: a west wind and this thing happens, right. The idea

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Speaker 3: here is to get a look at how his mind works,

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Speaker 3: how his decision making process works, how his style of

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Speaker 3: hunting can be applied into all of these different places

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Speaker 3: and scenarios and situations. It just gives us a different

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Speaker 3: way to learn, you know, a great way to get

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Speaker 3: kind of how to information in a very relatable, applicable way.

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Speaker 3: So that's the plan, that's the hope. I really enjoyed

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Speaker 3: this chat with Justin. I think you will too. I

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Speaker 3: don't want to beat around the bush. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: Hunting season is either you know, here for you or

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Speaker 3: very soon will be. So let's get to really focus

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Speaker 3: in on how to come better deer hunters.

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Speaker 2: Justin's gonna help us here we go.

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Speaker 3: All right here with me on the show for a

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Speaker 3: repeat appearance, is mister Justin Hollinsworth.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, Justin, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. I appreciate it as well.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, leading into this, went back and

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Speaker 3: checked out a couple of your old videos from Lone

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Speaker 3: I think it was the buck you killed Woody that

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Speaker 3: don't say this to everyone. Just listening back to that,

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Speaker 3: I thought to myself, Man, Justin is one of the

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Speaker 3: to take away from conversations with you, just listening to

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Speaker 3: your thought process. In some of these passive videos, there's

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Speaker 3: through the what would you do?

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Speaker 3: Now, do you feel like you've got a good handle

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're I mean, it just sounds like

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Speaker 3: And that brings up a really good point, which is

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Speaker 3: This is something that I wouldn't be surprised if it has

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Speaker 3: You have been out summer scouting throughout the last couple

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Speaker 2: For me, in that situation, I would want to definitely,

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Speaker 2: they're just you know, looking for a fight all the time.

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Speaker 2: And so I want to understand all all those situations

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Speaker 2: How wide of a like radius would you start searching?

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Speaker 2: What's that zone of interest? I mean, I would say

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Speaker 2: a process too of elimination, is is sometimes putting no

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Speaker 2: Well, it probably depends on what I have on other

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Speaker 4: I think I think that would be the best way.

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Speaker 2: I would probably just be super aggressive with it, try

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Speaker 2: think it's uh, it's in your favor to kill kill

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00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: them later.

435
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's there definitely seems to be some

436
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: truth that even I've even seen a little bit of

437
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: that myself in places where there is pressure, it does

438
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: seem like they they can figure out what is normal

439
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 3: in their area and what's not normal. And if you

440
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: can make yourself normal. Most of the time, you can

441
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: get away with a little more, at least then a

442
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: little bit more than I previously thought was possible, and.

443
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: Well, but you gotta be careful. So my farm was

444
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: a prime example. Well, so the places that I hunt

445
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: around my house, well, I'm in there more and I'm

446
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: always in there, you know, a lot more doing things.

447
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: And I told this to a buddy because my farm

448
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: there was a couple bucks out there last year that

449
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: I wasn't interested in because I was just interested in

450
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: this big typical last year, and he was closer to

451
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: my house. So I let a good friend of mine,

452
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, there's a couple of good books over there.

453
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'd like to see somebody shoot a nice

454
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: buck off my farm. You know, I'm like, go for it, man,

455
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 2: you know. And the first thing that he told me

456
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: he said, hey, your farm's touchy. And I said really,

457
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: he said, oh yeah, He's like I can tell already

458
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 2: from you know, of my first two sets versus my

459
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: third and fourth, Like they're onto me quickly. And the

460
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: first thing that I thought, I was like, because I

461
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: don't go out there that much, so they have this

462
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 2: whole place to themselves and they're you know, they're not

463
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: used to running into people ever. And I purposely made

464
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: it a point this year to spend more time going

465
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: out there and and just so they're not having you know,

466
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: like they're having interactions with me. They're seeing me, smelling me,

467
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But nothing happened. Nothing's happening. And and

468
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it's kind of an experiment too. I'm

469
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: just kind of seeing if this is going to like

470
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: change that going you know, going into this year. Because

471
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: he he said, you know, he's like, hey, he's like

472
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: super touchy. He's like, I'm a back off farm because

473
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: because they're they're that onto me. And and then he

474
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: would start back up again and hunt and he was

475
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: he was like, yep, everything's to normal. And he would

476
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: have two three sets and then he's like, yeah, he's like,

477
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, last my last two sets, I got skunked.

478
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything. He's like, I'm gonna lay back

479
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: off of it again.

480
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to let us know. We're gona

481
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: have to check back in with you after the season.

482
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: See uh see if the slightly higher impact conditioning strategy works.

483
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and it's kind of worked. It's kind of

484
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: worked well too, because we have a job site out

485
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: that way this year, and so him and I worked.

486
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: He's a project manager for me and I and I

487
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: told him. I was like, hey, whenever you go out

488
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: to that that job, I'm like, stop on the farm.

489
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, just you know, check a cup of cameras.

490
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Move camera. I was like, you know, and then even

491
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: when I'm out there or if I'm out there doing

492
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: work or whatever like that, way we're there more and

493
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: to see if we can make a little bit of

494
00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: a difference this year. Interesting, all right, how about this one?

495
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: You are after?

496
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: Specific buck again, it's October, and this deer you've gotten

497
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: to know over a couple of years, but he is

498
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: notoriously hard to pattern. The extent of what you can

499
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: really figure out is that he has one main betting

500
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: area slash zone, like a We're gonna say there's maybe

501
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: five to ten acres really really good area of cover.

502
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: There's you know, some concentrations within that, but there's like

503
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: a tight core here that man more often than not,

504
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: he's betted somewhere in that zone. There are crop fields

505
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: to the north west and south of it. Big timber

506
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: to the east. There are oaks to the east and west.

507
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: Then there's a couple of scattered you know, like I mentioned,

508
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: crop fields, some openings, some diverse trained mixture of crops

509
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: and timber. This deer, like I said, you can figure

510
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: out like he's man. He's in that five to ten

511
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: acres a lot of the time. But when you hunt

512
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: around him, it's very hard to predict if he'll go

513
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: north on this day, west this day, south this day.

514
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: He's always you know, any sighting you have of him,

515
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: any photo you have of him is on some spoke

516
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: leading out from that core. But there does not seem

517
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: to be any kind of pattern to like, on a

518
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: westerly wind, he could go anywhay. On a north wind,

519
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: he could go anywhere. There's no rhyme or reason. And

520
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: there's not any major change in food source because there's

521
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: there's beans and corn to the north, there's beans in

522
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: corn to the west, there's beans and corn.

523
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: To the south.

524
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's hard to put a real idea

525
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: of like why he should go on any direction on

526
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: any given night. In that situation when you're trying to

527
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: pick how you're gonna hunt this deer down in that scenario,

528
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: how would you do it? How would you try to

529
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: kill a deer like that? That, at least in my telling,

530
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: is very hard to pattern.

531
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: So so let me ask you this, in this situation,

532
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: do I know do I know? Is this deer? Is this?

533
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: Is this deer like a real touchy deer or do

534
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: I have any like like as far as his personality,

535
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: what kind of deer is he?

536
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say he is a homebody deer who he's

537
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: stuck around for years and it's it's it's hard to

538
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: push him out of there. He wants to be there.

539
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: Okay, then I love these kind of deer because this

540
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: because that kind of situation there and and something you

541
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: got to learn. I think it's got to be you

542
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: got to develop confidence over the years to do it.

543
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: But I think those are the those are the time,

544
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: Okay you got a general idea about where he's at,

545
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: I think those are the moments where you have to

546
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: go in and do a light bump on that deer

547
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: just just to get a sighting. Because because if he's

548
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: betting to say a five to ten acre, you know, peace,

549
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: that's I mean, my gosh, that's still a lot of room.

550
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: And if you're bow hunting that you're I mean, if

551
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: you're if he's in five acres and you're one o

552
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 2: one acre over, I mean you're million miles away. So

553
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: to me, it makes a lot more sense to like

554
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: take the chance go in there so you can fully

555
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: understand the situation and just try to just do a

556
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: light bump on the deer, you know, get the wind

557
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: in your face and just kind of go creeping and

558
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: then just you know, get a visual. Because once you

559
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: got a visual, and you got an exact location, and

560
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: then once you got an exact location, say with so.

561
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: Exact location of bed is what you want to find

562
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: right where he where he stands up from.

563
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: Yes, so, and then once you've got that exact location,

564
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: then you got a real good general area. Say it's

565
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: a you know, say say it's a you know, twenty

566
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: by twenty area where he could bounce right around there

567
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: or whatever. I would probably go over and look exactly

568
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: where he was at, just to see if there's other beds,

569
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: and then and then from there I would probably you know,

570
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: I would definitely have a stand with me because I

571
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to come back because that would be the

572
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: last thing that you'd want to do. And I'd want

573
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: to probably get get a stand hung based off of

574
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: where what makes the most sense for his return and

575
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: maybe you know, maybe it's maybe it's for an evening

576
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: hunt because you bumped him during the middle of the day,

577
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: and maybe Okay, what makes the most sense. Why would

578
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: he come so I seen him run off this way?

579
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: What makes the most sense he knows something? Jump him

580
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: out of there. It's danger doubt that he's going to

581
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: come walking in there with the wind at his butt.

582
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: He's he's going to come in in a in a

583
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: in a manner of being able to detect some kind

584
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: of danger. So you want to be just off to

585
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: the side of that. And you just got to take

586
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: your best educated guests and go for it. And then

587
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: in that situation too, I would want to be able

588
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 2: to if I if I didn't kill him that evening

589
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: coming back, like uh, you know, I would be you know, thinking,

590
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: thinking the whole time while I was in there. You know,

591
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: what's the wind going to do tomorrow? What's the weather

592
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: going to do tomorrow? Like Okay, do I you know,

593
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: want if I set this tonight, do I need to

594
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: pull this when I'm done tonight, and if I do

595
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: need to pull it, where on this knob or a

596
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: section here do I need to be to do the

597
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 2: same thing I'm doing currently, And and then I would try,

598
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: but preferably I would rather be in that same tree

599
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: and just leave all my stuff in there bow, everything

600
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: all set up, so I could creep back in and

601
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: and and try to get you know that that other

602
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: that you know, the other cracketing. But even if I

603
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: don't and say he doesn't come, you know that evening

604
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: or the next morning, at least I have that. Now,

605
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: Now I can start painting little pictures out of my

606
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: head of like, okay, you know, I know that you

607
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: know this this bean field over here is completely brown,

608
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: and this was you know, this being field over here

609
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: was winter wheat, and then they they ended up planning

610
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: it late, so it's this is the green or hey,

611
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: you know what, I guarantee you this fencer over here

612
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: that always has those big white oaks. I guarantee all

613
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: those white oaks over there are dropping. And paint some

614
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: situations out in your head of where he might be,

615
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 2: you know, going for an evening hunt, but as far

616
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: as the morning hunt goes, and if you have that information.

617
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: I mean, because I mean he beds there for a reason,

618
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 2: you know, And you know, Andre taught me this years ago.

619
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, you bump him out of there,

620
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: and like he basically shired up a spot, and you

621
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: gave him confidence on why he beds there. He escaped,

622
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: he did not get hurt, and and he's he's going

623
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: to come back. Because that is the amazing thing about

624
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: big white tails too. And it took me a long

625
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: time to get past this is they sometimes you can't

626
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: burn a model of a spot. I've had bucks that

627
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: I've hunted before that I felt like I was going

628
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: so hard after them, and I was having so many

629
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: encounters with them, and there was times where I was

630
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: getting busted and I'm like, oh, it's done. There's no way,

631
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: you know, like this is the second time that he's

632
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: cracked me, and no, he's still right there. I think

633
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: I think there's a big mis misconception on that. I

634
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: think that they they'll tolerate a lot more due to

635
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: years of being able to stay safe in an area.

636
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: You know, imagine you're a seven year old man who's

637
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: lived in the same house for fifty years. You know,

638
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: if that was me. You know, if that was me,

639
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: you'd have to bug me a whole lot to convince

640
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: me to move out of that house that I've been

641
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: safe and happy and for decades, you know. So yeah,

642
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: I can see and see why they can be more

643
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: kind of location consistent.

644
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: Than we used to think. Yeah, I just yeah, I

645
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: just I was always just so worried about that for

646
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: a long time, and there was time. I mean there's

647
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: times where I will there's times where I fall back

648
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: into it, where I play this head game with myself

649
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: and I should know better from past experience, but every

650
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: once in a while, my old self kicks back in

651
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: of being super conservative and not not taking the chance,

652
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: and that turns into me either not getting the deer

653
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: or or you know, the or somebody else getting the

654
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 2: deer or something like that. You know, So it's there's

655
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: a fine line in there. I also and I also

656
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: think you got to know, you got to know the animal.

657
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: Like when you said a homebody, I was like, oh, okay,

658
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: now we're talking now ones that that do some roman

659
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: that you know that you could see two miles down

660
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: the road somewhere mm hmm. That that's a different situation

661
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, I had a deer during the

662
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: late season that I was hunting, and my gosh, I

663
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: cannot believe, like even for late season, Like how far

664
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: that deer would move. Like a buddy of mine that

665
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 2: hunts a couple of miles down the road. He's like, hey, where. Yeah.

666
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I call this deer Lucky. And I was like,

667
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: I'm in here hunting lucky. He's like, well, uh, you

668
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: might as well get down because I just got a

669
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: picture of him down a down at my main farm.

670
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding me? It's crazy.

671
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: So so you brought up kind of your your willingness

672
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: to take risk with you know, pushing in and pushing

673
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: on a betting air.

674
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: That brings me to another one of the scenarios. I

675
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: want to run by you.

676
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: And this is a kind of a an adjacent idea,

677
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: but this is riskiness when choosing a tree. So imagine this.

678
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: Imagine you are slipping in for a hanging hunt and

679
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: you are going to be a long side the edge

680
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: of a dough betting are tight to a dough betting

681
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: is your is your game plan?

682
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: As you slip in there it's.

683
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: The rut and you find this terrific looking betting era,

684
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: and there are two trails paralleling the down wind side.

685
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 3: So I'm going to assume tell me, if this sounds

686
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: stupid to you and you wouldn't even do this scenario,

687
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: then you can feel free to rewrite this how you want.

688
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: But let's say you want to be downwindow this dough

689
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 3: betting are as many of us like to be during

690
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: the rut, and there's two trail paralleling that down one side.

691
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: One trail is right on the edge of the thick

692
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: it's like right on that edge, and there's two scrapes

693
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 3: along it, right near where there's an intersection of trails.

694
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: One of these trails is punching right into the bedding.

695
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: Then there is a second trail that is about fifteen

696
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: twenty yards farther back. Okay, you've got two trees that

697
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: seem viable as options for you to be able to

698
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: get your stand up in. One of these trees is

699
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: twenty nine yards from that first trail, So it's downwindo

700
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: that first trail, great shot to that scrape into the

701
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: intersection of trails, But that second pretty well used parallel

702
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: trail is going to be downwind of view. Okay, or

703
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: the second tree is downwind of both trails, so you

704
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: have none of this expected movement behind you. But it

705
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: is forty six years yards from the edge of the

706
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: thick so you're gonna be forty six yards away from

707
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: the edge. But both trails up win of view or

708
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: twenty nine yards from the edge, but one main trail

709
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 3: is down one. Which of those options would you take?

710
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: And why? Probably the first thing that I would want

711
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: to do. You know, obviously I want to go and

712
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: look at at those trails. I want to look at

713
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: the tracks in those trails, and and just because there's

714
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: a couple of scrapes over there doesn't mean, you know,

715
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: that's going to be the particular trail that I'm you know,

716
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to cut some big tracks on

717
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: one of those two trails, and then I'm just going

718
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: to you know, play the game of you know, process

719
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: of elimination and based off of based off of the tracks.

720
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: If I'm seeing big tracks on both of them, you know,

721
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: some of it's going to come down to gut feeling

722
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: and and and just trying to make a more of

723
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: a a you know, a gut feeling call on the spot.

724
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: I had a situation very similar to this. Just a

725
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: few years ago, on a big deer that I was hunting,

726
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: I watched him take a dough into a betting area

727
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: that that well, I actually picked up a shed from him.

728
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: I watched him push her right into that area. I

729
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: pulled my set, went over there, read the sign. This

730
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: situation to a t two trails. One trails pounded, and

731
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 2: it's got his tracks on it, and and it's also

732
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: got two big rubs leading but right back to where

733
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: I found one of his sheds, and there is like

734
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: a perfect you know, pin oak right there with all

735
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: kinds of branches and the whole nine and it and

736
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: it favored I'm a left handed shooter, so it favored

737
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: that trail was to my right side on that tree.

738
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: The other tree or the other trail was more downwind

739
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: to a point where they could come down the trail

740
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: so far and then they wouldn't get my wind until

741
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: they actually entered the field. Because I was tucked in

742
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: the woods a little well a little ways but tight

743
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: like right up against this fatting area, and there was

744
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: more of a more of a faint trail, but there

745
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: were some of us tracks on it, but there wasn't

746
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: a big sign and stuff like that. So I kinda,

747
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, I went off of my gut feeling. And

748
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: obviously from the looks of things, I'm like, I got

749
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: to set up on this main trail where the other

750
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: trail was going to be. It was I ranged it

751
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: in his forty four yards and and I just thought,

752
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't I just didn't feel like in that situation

753
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: he would come down that trail. Well he did go.

754
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: He did come down the trail that night, and and

755
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: and he was on my left hand side, and being

756
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: a left handed shooter, you know that's not favorable. You know, like,

757
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: you know, you got to turn your whole body to

758
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: make that shot. And and that's a long shot. And

759
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I practice you know, longer ranges.

760
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm I'm shooting a lot of fifty

761
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: and sixty yards. And I knew that that trail was

762
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: at forty four yards. And when he stood and I

763
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: watched him stand up out of his bed at eighty

764
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: yards and it's on one of our White Tail Addictions episodes.

765
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: And he stands up with his dough and he's right

766
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: there at eighty yards and he's working a tree over

767
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: and the whole nine and he comes all the way

768
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: down in that situation. In that situation, you know, I'm

769
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten, it's gut feeling, and it's

770
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: also just you know what your eyes are telling you

771
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: as far as the sign goes. And to me, the

772
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: trail that I set up on, I felt like that

773
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: was the right trail going into it, and it just

774
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: didn't play out like that. And you know, I was

775
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: fortunate enough to make a great shot on the deer

776
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: at forty four yards and he only ran like fifty

777
00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: yards and piled up. Would I have changed anything today

778
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: if I went into that same situation, No, I probably

779
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: would have did the same exact thing. I think sometimes

780
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: you can try to cover too too much. I think

781
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: you're always better off to like favor one particular trail

782
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: in that situation and just be as dialed as possible

783
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: for that one specific scenario. Yeah, yeah, and again, and

784
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: then it kind of all goes back to like, okay,

785
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: and if you blow it, you blow it, you know,

786
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: And and that's the game. Though, you know, if this

787
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 2: was easy and they just rolled over all the time,

788
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: it suck. Kind of you know, it's like we want

789
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: to we kind of want to go at it with

790
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: them a little bit.

791
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: True, we wouldn't be sitting here recording like episode eight

792
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: and fifty or whatever of this podcast that people have

793
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: listened to thousands of hours and stuff, right.

794
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's what's so fun about it to me, Like,

795
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: I love I love that part of the unknown. I

796
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't want it to ever get to the point

797
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: where it's you know, and I never will because a

798
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: big white tail, you know, mature buck is KG and

799
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're always going to be you know,

800
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, so good at the game. But but I

801
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 2: you know, I like that challenge, you know, I like that,

802
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, just trying to play the trying to paint

803
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: these scenes in your head of what's happening and what

804
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: you're trying to picture what's going to happen next, because

805
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: that's you know, I've said this a lot to my

806
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: my buddies before too, because I I did this for

807
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: a long time where I used to chase trail cam

808
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: pitchers and that's that's a really stupid game to get

809
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 2: into because it's already happened. So I think trail cameras

810
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 2: should just be used mostly just for inventory reasons.

811
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like it's become even more of a

812
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: prominent thing now, just as cell cameras have just so

813
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: dominated so much of our mind space. Now, a lot

814
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: of people are doing that. And I, you know, I

815
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: was guilty of this last year. And even though even

816
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: though the year prior I was talking to you, I

817
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: think you and I had a conversation about this in

818
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: January of twenty twenty three when we were talking about

819
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: Woody and we both sat here and talked about, man,

820
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: you can't chase these camera pictures. And then in fall

821
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, I'm again tempted into it, like,

822
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: oh man, he was just there yesterday, same wind might happen,

823
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: and then I'm there and he's over there, and yeah,

824
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: it just continues. So yeah, it's tough, too tough to

825
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: be suckered by that piece of intel.

826
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, it is. I think it's you know,

827
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: but I love but I do love cameras. I love

828
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: I love the picture, you know, getting the pictures and like,

829
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: and I love you know, just I love keeping track

830
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: of certain books and all that kind of stuff. It's

831
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: kind of that's I think that's probably just a big

832
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: of hobby is punting and all that kind of stuff.

833
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that part of a lot, and it's fun.

834
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 3: So let me get you one more tree question, one

835
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: more kind of slight tweak on that scenario we just did. So,

836
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: so imagine instead of there being two trails, okay, one

837
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: of them's gone. So now you just have that one

838
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: trail that's right right along that edge, just one major

839
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 3: travel route along that edge. Again, you have two trees.

840
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: The difference now is that one of these trees is nice,

841
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: easy distance twenty yards away from that spot, but very

842
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: minimal cover. It's like a bean pole tree with like

843
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: one branch coming off at like twenty feet.

844
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: That's really it.

845
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so easy shot, minimal cover. You've got another tree,

846
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: but this one's at forty four yards, let's say. So

847
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: it's a poke, or more of a poke at least

848
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: than the other shot. But this is an oak tree,

849
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: lots of branches, beautiful cover. Do you take that, you know,

850
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: slam dunk shot but questionable cover, or do you take

851
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: the longer shot but lots of cover.

852
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: I would probably take the closer tree, and I would

853
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: probably just set my stand up a little bit differently

854
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: than I what I the way that I typically set up.

855
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: I I typically be in a left handed shooter. I

856
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: typically set up my stand to shoot the deer on

857
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: my right hand side. And I and I prefer to

858
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: I prefer to sit when I shoot. I think there's

859
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: less movement because there's not the you know, grab the

860
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: bow and stand up and draw. I mean, it just

861
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: takes one you know, it's one less movement, you know,

862
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: like to you know, have my boat close and just

863
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: be able to draw on the animal. But in that situation,

864
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: I might flip the stand to the backside of the tree.

865
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm more of a sitter than a stander. But in

866
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: that situation, I would use the tree as cover to

867
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: be able to to peek around. You know, that might

868
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: be I know, you know, in that situation, some guys

869
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: that saddle hunt and stuff like that, that that right

870
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: there could be the the advantage to that where I

871
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: would probably do it a little bit differently, where I

872
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: would just you know, I just put my seat up on,

873
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: you know, on my lone wolf and peek around the

874
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: tree and stay tight to the tree because you know

875
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to beat some eyes on some other deer.

876
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: That's because I there's just a lot that can happen

877
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: at forty four yards. Yeah, the way the way that

878
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: a white tail can react to a book going off

879
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: is just is pretty unbelievable. So I would much rather

880
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: have that close shot. And that's really what bow hunting

881
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: should be, you know, you know, it's a it's a

882
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: you know who is either Jean or very wintil It said,

883
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: it's a aim of how close you can get, not

884
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: how far you can get. So with the advancement of

885
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: the you know, with archery equipment and people just being

886
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: able to shoot farther and stuff like that more more accurate. Yeah,

887
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I had a target for sure, definitely think that's possible.

888
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: But I don't like to shoot past forty yards. But

889
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: I've done it because every once in a while, this

890
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: thing's like comes back into my head, like, well, if

891
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: you're not shooting, you're not killing. So I've taken some

892
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: I've taken some longer, longer shots before, but I've taken

893
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: some longer shots too, and I've missed animals and I've

894
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: woundered animals as well.

895
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: So that brings us to that You couldn't have more

896
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: perfectly segued to the next scenario than justin which is

897
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: I'd like to understand how you handle that scenario you

898
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 3: just mentioned. So let's say your target buck the buck

899
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: you're after. Let's say he comes out at forty four

900
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: like we just described, and you're sitting there like, I

901
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: don't know, that's a poke. A lot can happen, but

902
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: you kind of feel the pressure. I got this in

903
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: my one chance. And you take the shot and you

904
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: hit him, but it's a non lethal wound. So maybe

905
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: graze his back, or you hit the shoulder, or you

906
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: underneath the brisket, whatever it is, you wound him, but

907
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: you're pretty darn sure the deer survived. What's the next

908
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: twenty four to forty eight hours look like? How do

909
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: you how do you handle that mentally? How do you

910
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: shake yourself out of it or get yourself right or

911
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: figure out what was going on or what mistakes happened?

912
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: Like, just how do you process and move on from

913
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: that situation? It's it's a really hard thing for me

914
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: to get past, to be quite honest with you, I

915
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: probably still to this day with that. When the situation

916
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: like that happens. Yeah, the best I mean, honestly, the

917
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 2: best thing that you can do is it's not set

918
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: around too long and lick your wounds. You have to

919
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: get back out there. You have to start scouting again.

920
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: You have to almost keep your mind busy and thinking

921
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: about my next move and how I can get back

922
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: on this deer and so on and so forth. Because

923
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: last year I was hunting a big typical that that

924
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: I was after, had had an encounter with him two

925
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: three days later, came back, had the deer coming in

926
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: on a string to you know, got to forty yards,

927
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: hurt another deer, and went down into the creek. I

928
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: ran out of daylight and I was stuck in the tree,

929
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: and I could hear him sparring with this small buck

930
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: down there. So I just I was like, okay, an

931
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: hour of complete darkness and then I'm going to slip out. Well,

932
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: when I was leaving after an hour of setting there

933
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: and I never heard anything around me, I thought the

934
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: coast was clear, something heavy footed bounded off, and I

935
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: was just convinced, you know, you know, there's a bazillioneer

936
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: in that area. But in my head, I was like,

937
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: one hundred percent that was him. I screwed it all up,

938
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: and man, that that that was to me that was

939
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: no different than doing what you just were talking about,

940
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: wounding in or missing him or whatever it might be,

941
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: because you know, I gave up my location. He knows

942
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: he's being hunted now, and it's just a completely different ballgame.

943
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: And how I handled that situation then is in that

944
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: particular area, it's pretty open, a lot of big farm fields,

945
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: So I was spending a lot of time glassing observation

946
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: sets and then even on times that you know, because

947
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: I just I got to know, so I love just

948
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: to do a perimeter search of like, you know, a

949
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: field and just to try to cut you know, maybe

950
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: cut his big tracks or you know, different stuff like that.

951
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 2: So that way, you know, I'm you know, I'm still

952
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: in the game, and I'm watching, you know, I'm watching

953
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: my cameras seeing if he's going to show back up

954
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. In that particular situation, I mean

955
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: that year went missing for a while, I mean, he

956
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: went missing for a few weeks, and I really really

957
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: thought I blew my chance there for you know, quite

958
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: some time. And and then I got maybe a pitcher

959
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: at night one after a couple of weeks, and and

960
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: it's started to tick up a little bit and that situation.

961
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: For me, the way I handled it, I was like, Okay,

962
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: I got to get out of here for a while,

963
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: but this is the deer that I wont but and

964
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: he's he's here, he's just not here as much. So

965
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: for me, I just I packed up my stuff and

966
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: I went to Illinois and spent some time out there

967
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: just hunting, you know, a different state and some new

968
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: ground and kind of let things just develop and and

969
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: then and it kind of worked out perfect because I

970
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: shot my buck out there, and I came back home

971
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: and and he was starting to get active on that

972
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: farm again. And then it wasn't three or four days

973
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: after I got back from Illinois is when I got

974
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: my shot. So you know, I just kind of let

975
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: it cool, you know, let it cool down, let him

976
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: get you know, and we're also talking now it's the

977
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: week of you know, it was November twentieth, so it

978
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: was the week of Thanksgiving. So in my head I

979
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: just thought, too, like he's going to he's a big, huge,

980
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: mature dominant dear. He's done some breeding and now he

981
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: knows this week is I mean, he's running out and

982
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: goes to breed, and there's a good chance that I

983
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: might be able to catch him trying to find that

984
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: last one. And that's that's what happened on that particular morning.

985
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: So speaking of November twenty, then one last scenario. On

986
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: that date, November twentieth, you're out hunt and you our

987
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: evening sit two hours left of daylight. You've just got

988
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,919
Speaker 3: that one buck y're after. He's the one year after again,

989
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: and you spot him. You're up in a tree, you're

990
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: posted up in a tree. You spot him on a dough,

991
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: so he's already got the dough and she's walking him

992
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: off straight away from you and out of sight in

993
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 3: the direction where you know there's a food source. Two

994
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 3: hours left, he's the only day you're to get hill.

995
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: What do you do? Do you stay there and just

996
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 3: hope it comes back? Or are you gonna do something wild?

997
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know, do something different?

998
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Then? I think it just depends

999
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: on the terrain in that particular setup. I mean, if

1000
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: it's something where I would now I wouldn't have done

1001
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: this prior to killing Woody a few years ago, when

1002
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: I did that stock on him and killing him in

1003
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 2: that fence row. Now after doing that and just trying

1004
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: something out of the box and gaining some confidence with it. Yeah. Yeah,

1005
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: there's I mean, if if if I feel if there

1006
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: was a fence row or if there was some way

1007
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: of our ditch where I could sneak down and try

1008
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: to you know, cut them off and have the wind

1009
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: in my favor, yeah, I would. I would definitely, I

1010
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: would definitely do that. But you know, also seeing you know,

1011
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: seeing that that would probably be a really good opportunity

1012
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: too to get down, tear my stand down, slide down,

1013
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: try to cut that track wherever they came out, and

1014
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: then to be able to get a situated you know,

1015
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: maybe get situated back in that same general area because

1016
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 2: maybe that's where that particular dough likes to.

1017
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: Be, and then hunt it that next morning. You're saying, yeah,

1018
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm then hunt it the next morning.

1019
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: You know, let them, you know, let them go off

1020
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: do their thing, and then you got the run of

1021
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: the place and you can go in there and and

1022
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: you know kind of kind of get a you know,

1023
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: based off of cutting and cutting that track and and

1024
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: seeing if they you know, come back in there, because

1025
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the a lot of dose

1026
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, they a lot of times they like their

1027
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: little they got their little spots just like a buck does.

1028
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: And I mean I've heard of guys. I've heard of

1029
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: guys doing this too before. Now I don't because I mean,

1030
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would be able to determine

1031
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: a particular dough over another dough unless it had like

1032
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: a double throat patch or a bob tail or you know,

1033
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: something that identified it. But I know, I mean, I

1034
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: know of some guys that wait for particular does. They

1035
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: know about roughly a timeframe of when particular does are

1036
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: going to come into heat, and they just go in

1037
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: and hunt that dough or you know those does in

1038
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: that area, knowing that you know, a big deer is

1039
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: going to come in that area. I've never done it,

1040
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: but I've heard of other people doing it. But pretty interesting,

1041
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 2: I do. Mm hmm.

1042
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: All right, justin you've made it through the worst of it.

1043
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: I've got just a handful of rapid fire questions for Okay,

1044
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: so there's going to be one word answer real quick.

1045
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: First thing that comes to your mind. Okay, yep, does

1046
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 3: the moon matter to deer movement?

1047
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Yes? Yes? Would you take a fifty

1048
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: yard shot at a white tail with your bow? Yes?

1049
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 2: Or no, if he's in a wide open field. Maybe okay. Uh.

1050
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: If you could only have one of these tools for

1051
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: the rest of your hunts, which would it be rattling

1052
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: antlers or grunt tube, grunt tube expandable or fixed blade broadheads?

1053
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: Uh? I'm an expandable guy.

1054
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 3: Should you stop a buck with some kind of sound

1055
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: before shooting if he's moving?

1056
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: Yes or no? Yes? Okay?

1057
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: Last question, This one is not a one word answer.

1058
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 3: You can expand on this one. Imagine that I rule

1059
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: the world and I have control over your hunting privileges

1060
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 3: for the rest of your life, and I am going

1061
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 3: to take away your hunting privileges and your hunting license

1062
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 3: ability or the rest of your life if you don't

1063
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 3: kill a five year old buck this year. All right,

1064
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: So you got to kill a five year old this year. Otherwise,

1065
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 3: no more hunting for the rest of your days. The

1066
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: kind of kicker here, though, is that you'll have one

1067
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: day to get it done. So what I'd like you

1068
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: to do is pick the date on the calendar that

1069
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 3: you would like for this hunt. So you get to

1070
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 3: pick one day and then describe for me in as

1071
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: much detail as you can the exact type of location

1072
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 3: you would like to be for your setup, So you know,

1073
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 3: you can tell me what state you would want to

1074
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Speaker 3: be in. You could just describe a general kind of habitat,

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01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: set up up a specific you know the details of

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: what kind of tree you want and how you want

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: it set up, and what kind of cover or what

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 3: kind of sign you want around you. Paint the picture

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Speaker 3: as best as you'd like to, as best as you can.

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Speaker 2: But give me the.

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Speaker 3: Date and this amazing picture, perfect setup that al Wollt

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01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: s Garantee. You kill that five year old, what would

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: you do?

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01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: I would probably if I had the perfect hunt in

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: that situation, it would be and this date, this particular

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01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: date has been very good to me in Iowa. I'd

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01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: be in Iowa. I would be on some just it

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: would be a morning hunt on say November ninth, and

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01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: it would be a big ah. It would be a

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 2: big oak flat. But the thermals pushing up and you're

1091
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: just being invincible. Doesn't matter what your wind is because

1092
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: you got that lift going on, and it just doesn't matter.

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01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: He's snuck in there never blew anything out, which is

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01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: like almost impossible. But and I mean, and it would

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01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 2: be about about twenty degrees frosty. That would be like

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: the perfect that would be the perfect situation, Like I

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01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: dream about those all I dream about that all year,

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01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: so I know exactly what I can picture that whole thing,

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01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 2: and it'd be even be it'd be And that day

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: thing is tough because the ninth has been good to me.

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: The twelfth has been good to me, and so has

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: But I tell you what, the week of Thanksgiving has been.

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01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 2: That week I've seen the biggest dear of my life

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01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 2: during that week. And you don't see a lot of deer,

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: but dang, you see some good ones.

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 3: And you think that's just those old boys know that

1107
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 3: the last last bell of the ball is out there

1108
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: somewhere and he's got to get it real quick before

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01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 3: the opportunity's gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are still like you don't see

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: all the crazy chaotic one in two three, you know,

1112
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: one to three year olds, you know, and when you do,

1113
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 2: like they're pretty they're pretty beat down. And and but man,

1114
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: when you I mean that, that particular week, you just

1115
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: see some slammers and and they're on their A game,

1116
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, they are on their A game, and they

1117
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: are on the prow and they look in just the

1118
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 2: way that they look at that point too in the year.

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01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, been to the Ringer, maybe got some

1120
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: battle scars on them, you know, the their necks are

1121
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: just swelled up like bodybuilders. I mean, yeah, I dream

1122
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's good stuff, man. I believe you would get it done.

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 3: I think you get your five year old, you'll be

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01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,879
Speaker 3: able to keep on hunting. So I like the setup

1126
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 3: justin what if there's anything you want to pitch out

1127
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: the folks to check out from Lone Wolf or White

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Speaker 3: Tail Addictions, your videos, anything particular you want to send

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Speaker 3: folks to go check out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this year is This year is the Lone

1131
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Speaker 2: Wolf's fortieth anniversary. So started in eighty four, so they

1132
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Speaker 2: you know, we've been in business for forty years. Obviously

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Speaker 2: I haven't been part of forty years. Have been probably

1134
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 2: part of it for half of that. But yeah, I

1135
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: would love for you know, people to go over to

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Speaker 2: our YouTube page Low Wolf Custom Gear, and we just

1137
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Speaker 2: started dropping our White Tail Addictions episodes on there, and

1138
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Speaker 2: and you know, these guys are just uh, they're truly

1139
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Speaker 2: from all walks of life and they are just you know,

1140
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Speaker 2: a bunch of the best students that I know great friends,

1141
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: and these guys just know how to get it done.

1142
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 2: And and uh, we're not if you're looking for some

1143
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Speaker 2: high quality Heartland bow Hunter stuff, and trust me, I

1144
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: love Heartland bow Hunters. The quality of their stuff is

1145
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Speaker 2: just unbelievable. It's not that because we're all just do

1146
01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 2: it yourself for self filmer and and it's it's pretty raw. No,

1147
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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what.

1148
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Speaker 3: When I am thinking about future podcast guests, trying to

1149
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 3: find some new folks anything like that, your guys stuff

1150
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 3: is always one of the first places I go and start.

1151
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 3: You know, have I talked to this guy? Have I

1152
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: talked to this guy? I've reached out to you in

1153
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: the past, Like who on your team? Do I need

1154
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 3: to talk to you about this kind of thing? Because

1155
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: you guys just have legit quality deer hunters. Like I

1156
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 3: just know if there's someone that's hunting with you guys,

1157
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: they're doing it.

1158
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 2: They're doing it well. So I always enjoy watching, following

1159
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 2: along and learning. So keep it up. Yeah, we we

1160
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: have a really awesome group of guys. That's cool. We're

1161
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 2: all getting together this weekend for we have our annual

1162
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: White Tail Addictions get together this Friday, and and then

1163
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: we have and then on Saturday, this is all at

1164
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: Andre's farm, and then we have the Mobile Roads show

1165
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: that Cody puts on, and it's it's an awesome time.

1166
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: You need to come out. It's a blast, it really is. Yeah.

1167
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Speaker 3: I've been seeing it all on social media and it

1168
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 3: looks it looks pretty great.

1169
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: So one of these days I'm gonna swing over there

1170
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Speaker 2: and make it happen. Yep, You're always invited. Much appreciate Justin. Well,

1171
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: thank you for this too.

1172
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 3: Good luck this season, and hopefully we'll be talking again

1173
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 3: soon about your latest big old Ohio buck or Illinois

1174
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 3: or whatever it is.

1175
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: Yep, well, I look forward to look forward to seeing

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 2: what you put down this year too.

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 3: Piers crossed, all right, and that's gonna do it. Really

1178
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 3: appreciate Justin joining us. I appreciate you being here and listening.

1179
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 3: If your season has begun, I hope you are off

1180
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 3: to a great start. If it's coming up here pretty soon,

1181
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 3: keep on shooting your bow or your gun, keep on

1182
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 3: checking out those final last minute to do items, and

1183
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: get ready for a really fun season.

1184
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 2: Let's keep it fun, Let's be safe, let's work hard.

1185
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: Let's feel the freezer, and let's enjoy this whole deer

1186
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: hunting thing as much as we possibly can. So with

1187
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 3: that said, thank you and stay wired to hunt.