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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: I was totally were pink slips because I actually literally

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Speaker 2: have pink slips from Satury Night Live and The Letterman Show.

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Speaker 2: I meant to hear people say I have a drawer

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Speaker 2: full of pink slips. When I was looking for.

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Speaker 3: Jobs, Mike was in charge of handing out the pink slups.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's probably pretty.

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Speaker 3: He was crushing dreams, not chasing them.

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Speaker 5: To imagine if like Paul just loves this stretch guy,

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Speaker 5: Like this stretch guy is just like killing every situational thing,

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Speaker 5: Like no, no, they're pulling out like these like random

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Speaker 5: weird like they took a penalty, but.

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Speaker 3: It was the right thing to do, and balls like

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Speaker 3: this guy's the best thirty three seconds left, you know,

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Speaker 3: first and ten from the twelve. No need to spike here,

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Speaker 3: right yeah, no, no, no, right, I agree, you're.

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Speaker 2: Just sitting there job no, no, no, kiss. You can

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Speaker 2: hire him as one of your professors. What's my motivation?

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Speaker 2: According to Paul Parrella, Jared.

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Speaker 3: Goff had a bad game in a big stage, so

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Speaker 3: he can never recover from that, right right, thank you?

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Speaker 2: He was never that good.

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Speaker 3: Let me know who else you need me to analyze?

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Speaker 6: Itsary the Patriots for thirty years and you put up

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Speaker 6: with a complete nonsense.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we put too.

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Speaker 1: Ah right, all right, this is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. Paul, it's Deuce, it's me. It's Matt Nabooth.

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Speaker 2: Evan is down at the Senior Ball with his reporting

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Speaker 2: hat on. He's got his little press ticket.

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Speaker 3: A lot of goings on down there.

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Speaker 2: In the sash of his fedora.

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Speaker 4: What is the saying pig in s h e.

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Speaker 3: That's what he is right now, sugar honey.

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Speaker 2: He's loving life right now. So we'll be getting uh

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Speaker 2: stuff from him on Patriots dot com later on today

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Speaker 2: and as well as video. We'll be getting that on

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Speaker 2: patriot dot com and our social Uh so we're well

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Speaker 2: represented down in the Senior Bowl. Vabel's there, Elliott Wolf

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Speaker 2: is there. Ryan Cowden's there, scouts are there, we're doing

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Speaker 2: our doing our off season work.

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Speaker 3: So it begins just it started. It started, yep, argument.

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Speaker 4: Any notes from No Socks? Was he on?

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Speaker 5: He was on the road the Shrine Bowl first too.

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Speaker 2: They started at the Shrine Bowl, made their way over

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Speaker 2: to Mobile. So we're going to see the next great Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Right, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So, so we're going to talk about that. We'll talk about,

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Speaker 2: you know, the draft a little bit in these prospects,

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Speaker 2: but we also want to talk about the championship games

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. I'm sure we all have opinions on

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Speaker 2: those and opinions on who made it to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I'm forced to root for the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's tough.

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Speaker 2: It's tough for you, it is.

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Speaker 4: I could do it root for the Eagles. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I just want to see a competitive, good game. I

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Speaker 2: I have to. I have to. I agree with Fred.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can't just watch without a dog in

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Speaker 4: And you can't gamble, so you know you.

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Speaker 3: No, I do have an ambition to make. I agree

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Speaker 3: watching a game and not rooting for somebody. But when

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Speaker 3: I really don't care going into the game and then

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Speaker 2: During the game, Oh yeah, now they're behind, Now I

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Speaker 3: Right now, now I start rooting for the team that's

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Speaker 3: So I have changed allegiances in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: But I am I am, you know, willingly admitting that

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Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Eagles to win just because I

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Speaker 2: don't want the Chiefs to win three in a row

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Speaker 3: If it's perfect sense that can do that.

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Speaker 2: Said, I'm also fully appreciative and acknowledged the greatness of

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Speaker 3: I just like that you would admit why you're reading

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Speaker 2: I'm not like, I'm not like, well, you know, they're

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of difference, a lot of difference. They

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Speaker 2: They deserve everything that they're getting. I fully admit that

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Speaker 2: that said, I want them to lose.

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Speaker 5: It's Patrick Mahomes, like Tom Brady is a killer. I mean,

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Speaker 5: those two guys cold blooded killer and you just knew.

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Speaker 5: And I thought a little bit about Drake May and

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Speaker 5: May has all the talent, but you just can't predict

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Speaker 5: which guys at the end of the game go berserker

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Speaker 5: mode and are unstoppable. And I was saying that throughout

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Speaker 3: Saw Drake May on my television set last night.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's like indoor golf. Ventures Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I like watching golf. I don't mind watching golf on TV.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't even like to play indoor golf?

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Speaker 3: Really from the well, I'm not, I'm not, but they

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Speaker 5: He was telling me about his fade, and it just

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Speaker 2: going back, and you know, you're always someone's always hitting,

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Speaker 3: It's a tough wat.

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Speaker 2: And I watched the first one the whole way through.

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Speaker 3: It's not like I watched, did you really?

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Speaker 3: I gave it a shot and they said, that's why

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Speaker 2: But I truly gave it a chance. Now I only

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Speaker 3: I watched a little last night. Now you have Tiger

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Speaker 5: How did the prose feel about it? Like, I feel

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Speaker 2: Once you get to the you're on a green.

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Speaker 4: And they changed area.

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Speaker 2: Water, No, I didn't see water.

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Speaker 3: Water would be in the simulator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, forget there, you go. Good Matt. But anyway, anyway

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Speaker 3: So we do have some additions to the coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: and Mike's gonna break out his readers.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't bring my readers.

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Speaker 2: Now. In terms of other than the coordinators, nothing's been

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Speaker 3: Yet, that is correct.

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Speaker 5: I don't you think the actual like and it's hard

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Speaker 3: We're guessing on a lot. Some of them have been

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Speaker 2: These reports from from legitimate source.

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Speaker 3: I am very excited about one of the with that one.

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Speaker 3: You go ahead and read that one.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll just go down the list here.

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Speaker 5: Of course, Josh McDaniel's on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 5: I believe Ashton Grant belief quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 4: This is speculation now.

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Speaker 5: Riley Larkin from Ohio State is the maybe offensive assistant

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Speaker 5: mess this name up, Hoteiling. I believe offensive assistant.

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Speaker 3: Totally totally.

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Speaker 4: Thomas Brown.

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Speaker 3: We talked about him last week.

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Speaker 5: Tight ends and passing game coordinator as the speculation, and

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Speaker 5: Tony Dues as the running backs coach. Then over on

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Speaker 5: the defensive side of the ball, of course, Terrell Williams

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Speaker 4: Those were the two guys that Mike has a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of position, yes, and that's the speculation on that

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Speaker 3: Mike has some speculation on positions that I haven't really

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Speaker 3: I think that's an important position Patriots. This will be

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Speaker 3: the seventh offensive line coach in the last seven years,

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Speaker 3: going back to the last year of Dante. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's a it's a position that really needs a critical,

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Speaker 4: Then That's that's what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I think you're seeing something coming from a complete uh

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Speaker 3: People would say, as you always are, a complete thought

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Speaker 2: I think you kind of hit it just before what

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Speaker 5: No, I think you're seeing too Rabel loyalty to a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So rounding out, So that's good but taking care

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just say the receiver coach is when I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So then that gets to you know, who they

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Speaker 4: Say goodbye, Adail Carter.

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Speaker 5: I'm just making peace with that, Abdul Carter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no quarterbacks get taken in the top three, that

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are trying to make

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Speaker 2: Personalities if teams buy into this whole thing that oh

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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely hitting it. I think the reason

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Speaker 5: Just a question how much you like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 5: It's I don't know, it's an interesting draft here.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is you're not going to come up

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it's uh, it's always fun.

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Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl. All this stuff is super fun to

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Speaker 4: To go and talk shops.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, the backs and shaking hands and

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Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't be as like enthusiastic about it as Mike,

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Speaker 3: And I find that a lot of fun to sort

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Speaker 3: It starts right, you know, the media is the mouthpiece

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, And so then you have the games

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Speaker 3: There's the best the Eagles have looked in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Putting up fifty five points in a playoff game.

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Speaker 5: That's you don't see that a lot, no, Jalen Carter,

442
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Speaker 5: I mean, unless it was my old Denver Broncos against

443
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Speaker 5: whoever in the Super Bowl San Francisco.

444
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Speaker 3: Fifty five.

445
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Speaker 5: Now, it's a good run I think for Washing And

446
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,800
Speaker 5: that's you know, last week, I felt like they were

447
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,439
Speaker 5: the darlings of everywhere, and you know that was the

448
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 5: big talking point last year, and the Patriots, you know,

449
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 5: replicate this.

450
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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day of Philadelphia.

451
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Speaker 5: I think they just they got too much talent and

452
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,520
Speaker 5: they're they're playing really well right now.

453
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Speaker 2: I think they could give the Chiefs a run, and

454
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Speaker 2: I think they could win this game.

455
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Speaker 3: On paper, they were a better team. Yeah right, I

456
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Speaker 3: mean we just on paper, right right, I said on paper,

457
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now, I'm picking the Chiefs to win.

458
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 3: But on paper, the Eagles have more talent than the Chiefs.

459
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Speaker 2: Except at that one key position.

460
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't argue with that.

461
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Speaker 4: He's a killer man.

462
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Speaker 5: That's I just unless you got unless you got fifty

463
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Speaker 5: five ar I mean.

464
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Speaker 3: They have a better offensive line, better defensive line, better

465
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Speaker 3: running back, you know, like the Chiefs have a better coach,

466
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 3: no question, yea, yeah, yeah, but we'll see.

467
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was I mean, it was just such a

468
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 5: play the game right for Buffalo and the other like

469
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 5: that's just the Chiefs. They made all the plays they

470
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Speaker 5: had to make, but you just felt Buffalo just everything

471
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 5: was tough. I mean it's obviously the fourth down stuff

472
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 5: was just ribboning those moments of that game.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really good game. Again, I know

474
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Speaker 3: it's a broken record for Buffalo. I just thought it

475
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: really exposed the Bill's lack of complimentary talent. It's not

476
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Speaker 3: as talented a Bill's team this year. Now. I think

477
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Speaker 3: they had enough talent to win on Sunday. They had

478
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Speaker 3: enough talent to beat Kansas City on Sunday. They fell

479
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Speaker 3: short again in large part because I think they choked again.

480
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Speaker 3: I don't think that they played as well as they

481
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Speaker 3: normally play, but you have to almost be perfect in

482
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 3: those You could just see like on the margins, there

483
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 3: was just little cracks here and there, you know, like

484
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 3: right down to the last play with Kinkaid just drops

485
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 3: a pass like you've got to catch that. You got

486
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Speaker 3: to catch that, you have to catch that pass.

487
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the different championship teams that make like the

488
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 5: Julian Edelman clatch.

489
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Speaker 3: Now and remarkably put the ball that was way easier

490
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Speaker 3: than to catch that Edelman made. There was nobody hanging

491
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 3: on King kid. It was just him and the ball.

492
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Speaker 2: That's right.

493
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Speaker 3: It was a little low, but it wasn't a hard catch.

494
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: You have to make the catch.

495
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: So you know, I give all the credit. And I

496
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: know people are gonna be like, oh, you know, making

497
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Speaker 3: fun of Kansas City. No, I give all the credit

498
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 3: in the world for Kansas City. I just wrote we

499
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Speaker 3: posted this morning in my notes just how strikingly similar

500
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Speaker 3: they are to the Patriots in that they're so good

501
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: when they need to be, they make every play when

502
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 3: they need to be, and then when they need that break,

503
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 3: they get the break too. So it's a lethal combination

504
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Speaker 3: of being really really good and really really fortunate. And

505
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about d Ford lining up off side. I'm

506
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: thinking about the AFC Championship game against Jacksonville when the

507
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: Dean Lewis fumbled and the Jags picked it up and

508
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Speaker 3: ran it back for a touchdown and the referee blew

509
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Speaker 3: it dead.

510
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Speaker 4: Remember that, Yeah, sure, that's Doug Marron about it.

511
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Speaker 3: They lose. Patriots lose the game if you don't get

512
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Speaker 3: the So it's a combination of being really really good

513
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: and as you said, you got to be perfect to

514
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 3: beat them, and then when you match them, they get

515
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: that break and the you know, they got another break.

516
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: I thought Josh Allen got the first down.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the only call I was questioned.

518
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't have a huge issue with the referees

519
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 3: in the game overall, but I had an issue with

520
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: that and the whole the whole way it unfolded. I

521
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Speaker 3: had an issue with the mechanics of it.

522
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Speaker 5: I went back and watched that pass catch though, and

523
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Speaker 5: we talked a little bit about it, and I'm still

524
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Speaker 5: not so convinced. And I know that the ball didn't move,

525
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 5: but I don't feel like either guy necessarily had possession

526
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Speaker 5: of it.

527
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I don't think the ball did not move,

528
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Speaker 2: so somebody had possession of it, and the tie goes

529
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Speaker 2: to the receiver.

530
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Speaker 3: Right, That's what That's how I That's how I adjudicated

531
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Speaker 3: the play. But again, had like I don't think that

532
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Speaker 3: would have been like this horrific call. Like, I think

533
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: people just want to so neat. I think, as I've

534
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: told you millions of times, I don't think the outcome

535
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 3: of these games is predetermined. I don't think they want

536
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: one team to win over the other. I just think

537
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: they're terrible at their job.

538
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: Big had had to put up his own little pole. Yeah,

539
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: and fifty five percent of the people think that these

540
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Speaker 2: games are fixed, Like why would you watch? Like, I

541
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: know they're probably being snarky or emotional, but the fact

542
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: that that many people believe that is it is crazy.

543
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I mean, it's not good for the league

544
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: for one.

545
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Speaker 3: And Mike, I don't think you're wrong by that.

546
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Speaker 5: I just asked him the question because I mean, like,

547
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 5: it does hit the ground, and I you know, so

548
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 5: I understand.

549
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 3: Absolutely hits the ground. I just didn't think it moved right.

550
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Speaker 5: And I understand that, you know, Fred clarifying with the

551
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Speaker 5: tie goes to the receiver and that somebody did have

552
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Speaker 5: possession of it. So I guess that's a little clarification.

553
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Speaker 5: I wasn't exactly thinking of, but now I'm with you

554
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 5: guys on the other one, and I thought on the

555
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 5: fourth down in the end, I thought of Paul, just

556
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 5: because the two refs came in at different levels, you know.

557
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Speaker 3: And you could see the far guy what I like

558
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: about it and why I mentioned the mechanics. From what

559
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 3: I understand I read a little bit about this yesterday morning.

560
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: That's generally how.

561
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Speaker 2: It works is the near side of the near well.

562
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Speaker 3: Whatever it's called. Now, he ran to the left side.

563
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: Which is another problem in and of itself, is that

564
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: Joe Brady, Josh Allen, and Sean McDermott never once adjusted

565
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Speaker 3: to the fact that Kansas City was overloading to the

566
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 3: left side, knowing that that's where Josh Allen goes. They

567
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: just kept doing it the same way. Some of them,

568
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: they got some of them. They I just want to

569
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Speaker 3: include it all of them. If it is a Josh

570
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 3: Allen decision, it's probably okay if the coach says, hey, listen,

571
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: don't go left. But the guy on the near side

572
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 3: was closer to Josh Allen. So that's generally how the

573
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Speaker 3: mechanics were, because he'll have the overrule on the spot.

574
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Speaker 3: What I thought they messed up, though, is it was

575
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 3: clear that Alan got twisted and the near side guy

576
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: could only see his back. There's no way he possibly

577
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: could have ever seen the ball because he was completely

578
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: twisted around. Now, the guy on the far side had

579
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,239
Speaker 3: a good look at the ball, and let me tell you,

580
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: he didn't have it being close to a first down.

581
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: He had it well over the line. He had it

582
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: a good six inches to a foot over the line.

583
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he started here and then he saw the

584
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: other guy and then he moved this way.

585
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: They adjusted by a good two feet.

586
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

587
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like one guy had it here and

588
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: one guy had it here. One guy had it here,

589
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: one guy had it here.

590
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

591
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and that to me shouldn't happen.

592
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was still a great game.

593
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: I mean, some of those third down throws that Josh

594
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: Allen made, the one to mac Hollins down the field.

595
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Speaker 5: Even my lovely wife, she watched the whole game. She

596
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, the one that shak here

597
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 5: in the middle. I mean, just you know, they came

598
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 5: out tight though. I mean, those first two passes look

599
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 5: like they were both going to get picked. And you know,

600
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Speaker 5: I kind of put that on the coaching. I think

601
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Speaker 5: that's what a lot of people have been saying that.

602
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: I think way too much has been making that. I mean,

603
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: I agree with you one, yeah, that they looked like

604
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: they were a little tight at the very beginning game,

605
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 3: but they settled right down. Yeah, you know, I mean

606
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: they went down and drove the length of the field

607
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: the second possession. You know, another thing that I was

608
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 3: talking about and there's been a lot of you know,

609
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: where did James Cook go talk? They had a drive

610
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: in the third quarter where it was a lot of

611
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: It was almost all right. I think it was one pass,

612
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: all runs. They went down and scored the next possession,

613
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 3: it was all passes and they went down the field

614
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: and that's when they got stopped on the on the

615
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: fourth down. And there were passes to Cook. Ye, they

616
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: were like so to me, like in other words, passes

617
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: to Cook are like runs. The little swings that he

618
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: got big yards on. I think he had like three

619
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Speaker 3: catches for forty five yards. So like, I don't really

620
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: think that they got away from Cook as much. I mean,

621
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: the running game may maybe got away from Cook in

622
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: the last like the last drive, because then the next

623
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: drive they threw the ball right down the field and

624
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: scored a touchdown. So two of their last three drives

625
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: was was very Cook centric. The third the third of

626
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: the last three was not as much Cook, but it

627
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 3: was a touchdown drive. And then the last drive they

628
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: had three and a half minutes left. I think they

629
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: ran it too much. They ran Ty Johnson on first down,

630
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: then Josh Allen on second on the second down, and

631
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: they're getting the first down. Then they threw. They threw

632
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: a couple of passes. Then the white receiver screen, which

633
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: again to me is a run play. Third and ten

634
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: is not a wide receiver screen down, so you set

635
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: up a fourth and five. They blitched you. You weren't

636
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: ready for it. That's why I think they choked. Yeah,

637
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: I think the Bill's choked.

638
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

639
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: We talked a lot about that, that last blitz by

640
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 5: by Spags, and Paul said, I totally agree with him.

641
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 5: It was it was one pre snap, you know, before

642
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 5: the snap Josh Allen, you know, not recognizing who was

643
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: gonna come. I mean credit, I know it came out

644
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 5: from Buffalo o Cyrus Torrents, their right guard, said that

645
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: they kept showing that look all game, and they kept

646
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 5: dropping out and dropping out and dropping out, like they

647
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 5: were just saving it for that one key moment. And

648
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 5: I think Buffalo might have assumed they're gonna drop out again,

649
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 5: and they didn't, and you saw what happened. They got

650
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: pressure right in his face.

651
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: Two defensive backs on that on that you know it aggressive.

652
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: McDuffie was one of them, and I think it was read. Yeah,

653
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: it was the other one. I mean yeah, so give

654
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: Spags credit.

655
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: I mean risky play and there were.

656
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: Guys wide open everywhere. Yeah, like that's yeah, you're hoping

657
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to get there, and he's not gonna be received.

658
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: He could have, you know, if he if he knew

659
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: right away and he recognized that, he swings it out

660
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: to Shakira for an easy first down.

661
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but once.

662
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: Mike and I will get to that later. You couldn't

663
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: be any more open than Kincaid was. Like you watch

664
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: the overhead of that. There's nobody covering him, but he's

665
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: running for his life and he got it as close

666
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: to him as he could. And unfortunately for Buffalo they

667
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: couldn't make the play. But all twenty two cowboys killing

668
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: Josh Allen for throwing the swing to Oh yeah, did

669
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: you see that Ryan Fryan Fitzpatrick had the guy for lunch?

670
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well Ryan Leaf did. Ryan Leaf was a little weird.

671
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: It was like stuff him in a locker kind of

672
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 5: response to I don't know.

673
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: There was a lot yeah nerd.

674
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's clearly there's a lot of there's

675
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: a lot of nerd anti nerd in this game. Like

676
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: that is a glaring example because anybody who's ever played football,

677
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't say like he's got to throw that.

678
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: You're under. You're under the rest supposed to be able

679
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: to see the whole field according to the all twenty

680
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: two people, because they can see the whole field.

681
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: In the comfort of their own right home.

682
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: Now, like I said, and Mike, I think Mike explained

683
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: very well. I think where you could question Josh Allen

684
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: is did he get fooled pre snap and should he

685
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: have known that that was coming and then he immediately

686
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: gets the snap and he flicks it out. Brady would

687
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: have done that, Mahomes would have done that, or you.

688
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 5: Know, maybe they're coming this time and the need to

689
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 5: at least that my heart ready to go right right

690
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 5: to but.

691
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: Not not knowing that that blitz is coming and getting

692
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: the immediate pressure that he got. I don't see how

693
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: you turn your hips that fast in the opposite direction

694
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: right to throw that pass. So they and that guy

695
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: got a lot of heat, which I think he deserved. Again,

696
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: because here's the part that I really didn't like. I

697
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: watched a little of his clip right, and he says

698
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: it was a similar play to last year in the

699
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: playoffs against Kansas City's same situation fourth and three in

700
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter when he throws that same little you know,

701
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: the the orbit motion, you know, right where he reverses

702
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: like you know, he's man's playing football to everybody and

703
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: the guy you know, and Shakiir is wide opening the flat.

704
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: Alan gets the snap, throws it right out right up

705
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: the sideline, easy first down conversion. It's a major difference

706
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: on the play though, Fred, what do you think it was?

707
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: There was no blitz. Oh and that's the last It

708
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: was a four Yeah, it was a.

709
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: Four man rush that they completely held the he had

710
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: all day, right, which is you know, makes it a

711
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: little bit different. Yeah, well the other thing, okay, so

712
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: on on the nerd the nerdisms, get them. Well, you

713
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: got to go for it all the time, right, you

714
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: got to go for fourth down, you go for two,

715
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: You do this, you do that, right. You played the numbers,

716
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: you play the percentages, right. What was Buffalo during the

717
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: course of the season. I think they said it during

718
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: the course during the game. Early in the game, they

719
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: were twenty eight for thirty on Josh Allen quarterback sneaks

720
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: and on the two that they got stopped on they

721
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: got him on fourth down. So they were thirty for

722
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: thirty had that out in this game? Right, Well, my

723
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: numbers say I got to go for it every time

724
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: because I'm I have twenty eight out of thirty percent

725
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: chance of getting it. Yeah, all it takes is one

726
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: that you don't get and you lose. Now, I'm not

727
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: suggesting that you don't go for it on the one

728
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: that they went for, but I'm just saying this is

729
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: why it's not just about numbers. It's not paint by number.

730
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: You gotta know the game, read the room.

731
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: There's also when you go for two.

732
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: I feel like I think that was dumb, a little

733
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: bit of.

734
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: An air of desperation already or a feeling that we're

735
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 5: going to be chasing this game rather than we're just

736
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 5: going about our business. We know we're going to score.

737
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: Just keep keeping keep kicking field goal or extra points.

738
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: Take the point.

739
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: It's going to add up.

740
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: But the first one, I was like, why are they

741
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: going for ten? They don't need to start going.

742
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: For just because there was a penalty, Like they took

743
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: the point off the board. Now, in fairness to Joe

744
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: Brady and McDermott, they hadn't been stopped on a quarterback

745
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: sneak yet at that point you know what I mean. Yeah,

746
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: that was the first one they stuffed. Alan stops tries

747
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: to throw it out psycho, he's a psychotic.

748
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: Well you can't lose. What the hell?

749
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah you could, you could up two points, I guess.

750
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: All right, So those are the two games Eagles Chiefs.

751
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm looking forward to it. A lot of

752
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: people I can't watch this game, Meteor, Yeah, I mean,

753
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: come on, you'll be watching, Like.

754
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Why is it? That's the part I don't get. I

755
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: understand you rooting for Philadelphia. That may if every Patriots

756
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: fan felt that way, I would totally understand. Part of

757
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: me roots that way is kind of feeling that way.

758
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna root for the greatness of my homes.

759
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: But I understand. I totally understand like them, I don't understand,

760
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: like I can't watch, Yeah, this is miserable. Like you're

761
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: an NFL fan, you love the sport. Obviously, people were

762
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: like calling into the shows yesterday, my shows and saying

763
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: how they were gutted after Buffalo lost. How could First

764
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: of all, you're a grown adult. You probably shouldn't be

765
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: all that got it if you a team lost, let

766
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: alone someone else's team. Yeah, you know you're not twelve anymore.

767
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like it bums you out. You lose a

768
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: big game, it leaves a mark you bummed out.

769
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: Listen. In a perfect world, it would have been Commander's

770
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: Ravens for me. So then I have both the teams

771
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: that I can't have when they're out. But I made

772
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: lemonade out of the lemons. No matter who won, I

773
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: had the Okay, well, at least at least we know

774
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: now the bills windows closed, so now I can move

775
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: on confirm. Now I can move on to rooting against

776
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: the Chiefs.

777
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 5: Well, Eagles are really talented team, though, you know, like

778
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 5: it's it's like you're watching two teams without any talent,

779
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: or like, oh man, this team just snuck in and

780
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: it's going to be a slog.

781
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: There is talented.

782
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: They are some real players on that.

783
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: And I don't trust Hurts.

784
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the weak link. That's why if they

785
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: play the way they know, I'm not talking about fifty

786
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: five points, I'm talking about the way they played. They

787
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: threw the ball effectively in that game, did he did?

788
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: And if they can do that against Kansas City, it's

789
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: game one. If they're one dimensional and they and they

790
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: end up with whatever eighty five yards passing like they

791
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: did in the Rams game. Yeah, I don't think that

792
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: Spags will just let Sakuon Barkley kill him.

793
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: But I hope that, like everybody else, I hope that

794
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: people are realizing that the twenty twenty four Chiefs was

795
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: as much about their defense as it was Patrick Mahomes,

796
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: because you know, the defense is you know, one of

797
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: the big reasons why Mahomes had the ball at the

798
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: end of the game down by two in a lot

799
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: of these games, and why they ended up fifteen and two.

800
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: I mean, they made leave and the defense was a

801
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: big reason why they beat the Bills. Even though the

802
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: Bills were moving the ball in critical situations, they were

803
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: making the stock.

804
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: I just tell you though, it's another example of how

805
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: I think they're so similar to the Patriots in twenty eighteen.

806
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: That's what a lot of people said, like they run

807
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: the ball, they did. The defense has been great low

808
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: scoring games, but in the playoffs, what do they have

809
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: to do. They had to score four against the Chargers,

810
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: they had to score thirty seven against the Chiefs. Chiefs

811
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: haven't haven't been able to score thirty all year. They

812
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: scored thirty when they had to. Yeah, when the other

813
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: team scored thirty they had I mean they I mean

814
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: the Bills missed two extra points and scored twenty nine

815
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: points ye because they needed thirty and they got thirty

816
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: when they needed to. It's just another example, and it's

817
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: so similar to the Patriots.

818
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: They just do what they have to do, whatever the game.

819
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: Is, whatever the game declares, right, they know how to win.

820
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: Not a lot of household names, I mean, other than

821
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 5: Trent McDuffie and Chris Jones. It's you know, it's not

822
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 5: a lot of guys who are on defense superstars or

823
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 5: you know, like Chris Jones might be the best defensive

824
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 5: player in football.

825
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: But I would also say that Nick Bolton can play,

826
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: George Culaftis can play. Uh even like that Chanal guy,

827
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: he's pretty good too.

828
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: Leo Leo, the guy in the middle with Penney or

829
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: what's his.

830
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: Name, Dana, Mike, Mike, Dana, something like that.

831
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: Dan.

832
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: He had a big guy in the middle of the

833
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: defensive line.

834
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 3: I mean, Chris Jones is a monster.

835
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean talk about those fourth down

836
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 5: was off side on the air?

837
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 9: Was going on?

838
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: I noticed that too.

839
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: First looks like he's crying.

840
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he always cries at the national Sweats out of

841
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 5: his eyes?

842
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: Sweats out of his eyes? Is that the medical turn?

843
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 5: He seemed to be out a lot of Well I

844
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 5: noticed it early in the game and they were talking

845
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 5: about him, and I'm like, it's like the third play

846
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 5: of the game.

847
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: What's he doing on the side? Like they're showing him

848
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: on the side.

849
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: That was like the cook thing. That's where I do.

850
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: You know. The second guessing to me is not necessarily

851
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: how many touches cook hab? But why was he off

852
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: the field so often? In key junction?

853
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 5: Trust those other guys? The other guy, I mean, you

854
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 5: know Ty Johnson and then.

855
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: Ty Johnson's fine, But Ray Davis looked at Ray Davis,

856
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: he looked a little tight.

857
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So two weeks until the Super Bowl

858
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: and Pro Bowl games. Excited about those?

859
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to get your update on that next

860
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: next Tuesday, you guys can fill me in on that.

861
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: I'll have a weekend off from watching TV, that's for sure.

862
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: I do some indore golfing.

863
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 9: Friend.

864
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: The Celtics went last night.

865
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: They did not they did. I blew a ten point

866
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: fourth quarter lead, again at home again.

867
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: What's going on with them? Everybody's healthy, what's going on?

868
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: I think they got some Okay, I'm as I said earlier,

869
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: I'm small sea concerned about them. All right, all right,

870
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: I think that's some issues.

871
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,960
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872
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: outline podcasts at Patriots dot com as the email address.

873
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,200
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874
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,160
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875
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,080
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876
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877
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Speaker 4: That was a doozy last week.

880
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Speaker 5: That was funny one with the Paul's school for what

881
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: big clock management.

882
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you don't get the news you missed out.

883
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884
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887
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,600
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888
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: Raiders Campete.

889
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Before he got the head coaching job, right, So that

890
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: was what was his quotes.

891
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: I didn't take the course cost it cost me?

892
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: Would you would you just run the ball in that

893
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 5: situation before game management?

894
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Game management? Yeah?

895
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 10: Uh?

896
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: But if you know, if you want to know what

897
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898
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,080
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899
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: Sign up, get the newsletter every week. It's a lot

900
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: of fun. All right, let's get to the phones. The

901
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: TPX hotline will start with Todd, North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

902
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 11: You guys.

903
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 6: It's been really great reading all the stuff and hearing

904
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 6: what's going on. And I've been watching all the playoffs

905
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 6: and stuff. But I just had a thought. I really

906
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 6: felt that last year our coaches really kind of let

907
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 6: the team down. I know we didn't have great players,

908
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 6: but my curiosity, my thought is what would you guys

909
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 6: think our record would be with this set of coaches

910
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 6: with the same team. Do you think we'd get like

911
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 6: a one or two more wins? Or would we get

912
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 6: four or five wins or roughly same.

913
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: I'm just kiding maybe two or three at most. You

914
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: need better players.

915
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: I think if this coaching staff was the coaching staff

916
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: last year, they would have gone four and thirteen, Like,

917
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: if you're not going to give them any players, there's

918
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: only so much you can do. Right Personally, I'm hoping

919
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: that this coaching staff will help them get better players too.

920
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: As far as Rabel being involved in personnel with Ryan

921
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: Cowden his guy in personnel to augment Elliott Wolf. They

922
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: got to make some moves. They've got to get some players.

923
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I wish I could say, but I mean,

924
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 5: am I to be hopeful that this coaching staff could

925
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 5: get better play out of some of the players that

926
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 5: we know were better than they played last year. I mean,

927
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 5: I generally agree with you, but at this point it's

928
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: all unknown commodities.

929
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

930
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll see, We'll see how they line up

931
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 4: in the space.

932
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: It's the first, you know, thing that these coaches need

933
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: to do is sit down with last year's game tape

934
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: and do a thorough evaluation of every game and the

935
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: performance of every player in every game to say this

936
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: guy isn't bad.

937
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: You know, Well, that's the position coach's job and that's

938
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 5: what they should be doing. And then they should have

939
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 5: a full report on, you know, how these guys are

940
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: going to fit into the new scheme and what they

941
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: want to do should point out to Andrew. Callahan had

942
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: a story, I believe over the weekend about Kyle Duger

943
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 5: having you know, a significant high ankle sprain and needed

944
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 5: to get surgery in the offseason. So you know, we

945
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: were hard on him all year, and I mean it

946
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: was right there for everybody to watch. I mean, you

947
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: don't have to go to PFF to tell you didn't

948
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 5: have a good year.

949
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: So he was.

950
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 5: He was dealing with a lot, but you know, still

951
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 5: it's it's everybody was kind of down, the players that,

952
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 5: you know, Ramandra Stevenson, like, how are they going to

953
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: get him to stop fumbling?

954
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of questions they got to

955
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: figure out.

956
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: Yep, Randy's in Providence. Hey, Randy, Hey, So I.

957
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 11: Wanted to talk to you guys about the coach hirings.

958
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 11: So far, I've been really happy with all of them personally,

959
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 11: but I except until yesterday, I thought the offensive line

960
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 11: coach was one of the most important hires here, and

961
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 11: I was hoping they'd hire somebody with the history of like,

962
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 11: you know, developing those third fourth rounders, second rounders, and

963
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 11: a you know, great reliable starters. Pro Bowl caliber, even

964
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 11: I thought there were three really good candidates out there,

965
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 11: Wan Castillo, Joe Filben, and Justin Fry at Ohio State.

966
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 11: The to first two guys have a long history of

967
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 11: doing exactly that in the NFL. But Doug Moron, like

968
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 11: he does, have a long history of offensive line coaching,

969
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 11: but the results just aren't there. I mean he did.

970
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 11: The best player that Hey coached was Kevin Mawai back

971
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 11: in New York, but he was already an All Pro

972
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 11: when Maroon got there. And the best player that developed

973
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 11: under him that I could find was Cam Robinson, who

974
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 11: is I mean, he's a left tackle that you can play,

975
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 11: but he's not a He's not any kind of stud.

976
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 11: He was a second round pick. So I wonder what

977
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 11: you guys think about, you know, his ability to develop

978
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 11: the players that we have, because look, yeah, you want

979
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 11: to get talent, but the key to developing a really

980
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 11: good football team is having those second, third, fourth rounders

981
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 11: develop into quality players.

982
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 4: It's a great question.

983
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean I think that's I they a lot more

984
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: to Doug moronan I mean I.

985
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: Do too, but I mean we'll have to see.

986
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean Dante, I mean, did Dante have that reputation

987
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 5: in two thousand and one or is that something that

988
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 5: he developed and earned over the course of those years

989
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: early on? You know, but I just I love the experience.

990
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: I mean, but I think it's a it's a great question.

991
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 5: I think it's a really good point that they have

992
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 5: to develop. You're not going to be able to draft

993
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: all these guys and fix everything with first rounders like that.

994
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: So Bill Callahan is like largely considered the the guru

995
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: when it comes to offensive line coaches.

996
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: Dean, who do.

997
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: You develop in Cincinnati? Yeah, a terrible offensive line, but

998
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: he made it better because he was a really good coach.

999
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 3: Like I don't necessarily look at that. I mean, I

1000
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: don't know the ins and out. I don't know. I've

1001
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: never even heard the Ohio State guy's name, So I'm

1002
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 3: not going to pretend to tell you he's a better

1003
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 3: or worse candidate than anybody else. Wan Castillo. I hear

1004
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: people talking about Doug Maroon in much more positive fashion

1005
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: than that. Now, maybe maybe Randy's right, Maybe Randy's got

1006
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: it and he's overrated. Yeah, Maron, But I'm excited about Moron.

1007
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: I think that's a really I thought that was a

1008
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: really good. Hire an experienced guy who's had success doing it,

1009
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: and he's I think the head coach experience could be

1010
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: a benefit as well. I think you have to be

1011
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 3: a little bit cautious of having too many former head

1012
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: coaches on your staff. I don't think that's a good thing.

1013
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 3: You and I have argued about this in the past.

1014
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: That's right. I think sometimes you have too many head

1015
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: coaches and the different guys think that their way is

1016
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: the right way.

1017
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's where the head coach has to set

1018
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: the tone.

1019
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: Right, it's my way. So that can be problematic, but

1020
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be.

1021
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: Colin and Casey in caps, says Fred. Please read this

1022
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: all right, I'll do it. I'm an avocate Atris fan

1023
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: and I live in Kansas City. I was at the

1024
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen AFC Championship came I don't get invited to

1025
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Chiefs parties with my friends because they know where my

1026
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: allegiance lies. I'm with Fred that I don't want the

1027
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: Chiefs to win again, but I also respect what they're doing.

1028
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: With that said, I'm resolved to throw away the dynasty comparisons.

1029
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: Let the rex Ryans and Max Kellerman's of the world

1030
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: do that. As for me, I'm accepting the Chiefs will

1031
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: probably threepete. If they do it, they deserve props for

1032
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: the historic feat. Most of all, I am just ready

1033
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: to stop defending our past greatness and get back to

1034
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: seeing the team I love compete for championships again. The

1035
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: pass was great, but it's time to turn the page

1036
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: and write a new chapter of greatness. Best way to

1037
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: stop the Chiefs dynasty today is to beat them. So

1038
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: come on, Vrabel, come on McDaniels, come on Drake May.

1039
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: Let's build a team that can take down the Chiefs.

1040
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: LFG okay therapy session or we'll carry on. I like it.

1041
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 5: I like it, I said to Paul jokingly. I was like, well,

1042
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 5: if you had to pick a time frame to suck,

1043
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of now. It's Kansas City's dominating everybody,

1044
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 5: So I guess this is I mean, how frustrating would

1045
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 5: it be as the Bills, where you feel like you've

1046
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 5: got one of your best teams of all time and

1047
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 5: you just can't get by this team.

1048
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: It's got to be super frustrating.

1049
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: Jeff in Canada writes in from the last Show, it's

1050
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: your opinion, so it's not wrong, but not liking games

1051
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: affected by weather is a very unpopular take amongst most fans.

1052
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: That's absolutely true, if social media has anything to go by.

1053
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: Perhaps because fans are sitting on a cozy couch while

1054
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: you're in a freezing stadium. But I'm confident most fans

1055
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: love a handful of weather games each year.

1056
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: That's absolutely true. Ye, and I said that, I think

1057
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: that I have a very minority opinion.

1058
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: That from Chiefs versus Bills not my desire result. But

1059
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: it was an entertaining game. We always love to assign blame,

1060
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: but I think this is just a game where two

1061
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: very little guests there, two very evenly matched teams battled,

1062
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs had maybe five more good plays in

1063
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: the Bills. No one to blame, although I will give

1064
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: CBS broadcast an F grade. Oh why are they getting

1065
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 2: an F grade?

1066
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: CBS Broadcast gets in F grade? Do we elaborate?

1067
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: No elaboration.

1068
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: I thought it was fine.

1069
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: Romo and Nance. I thought they.

1070
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Were the only So I don't know if you guys

1071
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: caught this. On the fourth down play the drop by Kincaid,

1072
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: they put the flag bug up there, which I don't

1073
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: know this for certain, but this happens a lot in

1074
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: Chiefs games. I think because they wear yellow yellow, and

1075
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: I don't think there was ever a flag, and I

1076
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: think Nance was saying there's a flag and Romo said

1077
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: there's no flag on the field, like so I think

1078
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: he was looking and he was like, there's no flag

1079
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: out there, and he caught the fact that that was

1080
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: That has become another conspiracy.

1081
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, they were ready and

1082
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: Casey they picked it up.

1083
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: He said, right, they picked up the flag. They were

1084
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: saying there was a flag on Kansas City, but because

1085
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: he dropped it, they picked it up, so he didn't

1086
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: catch the pass. Mike's theory he got the first down

1087
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: and then they picked up a flag that would have

1088
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: given them the Bills the first down on that fourth down.

1089
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 5: I thought Roe was funny on that that face mask

1090
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 5: call where it just kind of brushed the front of

1091
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 5: the face mask.

1092
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: And he just went like, ye gee, I don't know.

1093
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: Jim has been replaced by Gene. I like that save

1094
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: me and I I do like the fact that Sterotor

1095
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: is not afraid to say he doesn't think that they

1096
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: got it right now. He didn't think they got it

1097
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: right on the spot. He didn't think they got it

1098
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 3: right on that face mask, and he was not afraid

1099
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: to say it. I like that.

1100
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The Chiefs beat

1101
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: the Eagles. I cringe typing this, but fly, Eagles fly.

1102
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: I might just have to watch a chick flick with

1103
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: the Misses.

1104
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: Definitely not a foregone conclusion. I mean, this is an

1105
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: even game. The thing I'm interested in.

1106
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 5: Is if the Chiefs were to say, get a call

1107
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 5: that was you know, like we're talking about something that

1108
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 5: was blatantly like felt like it favored them, the Eagles

1109
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 5: fan base would go nuclear.

1110
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, like happened two years ago. Yeah right, So this

1111
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: is my point again with the comparisons, like the tuck rule,

1112
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 3: Patriots fans will will yell at you until they blew

1113
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: in the face telling you how they got it right right,

1114
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: Just like that defensive hold that allowed Kansas City to

1115
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: get the first down and then kick the field goal

1116
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: as time expired was technically the right call. We all

1117
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: thought it was garbage. I thought it was garbage, and

1118
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: I was rooting for Kansas City. I don't think it

1119
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: was enough to warrant a flag. But he held them right, Yeah,

1120
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: I mean it was by the letter of the law.

1121
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: It was a penalty. But this is my point. When

1122
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: you have an allegiance, you look at it through those

1123
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, those classes.

1124
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: Eric from Amherstburg not sure if you guys are been

1125
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: paying attention, but sounds like Casey and the refs are

1126
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: at it again. All over social media, people losing their

1127
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: minds over the officiating to cost the bills. WWE is

1128
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: less obvious with it being scripted. We need change. Fans

1129
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: are more livid with this than our double dynastic run.

1130
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 5: What do you do, Like, what's a realistic fix to this?

1131
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: People obviously went around in two thousand and one when

1132
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: people lost their eleven f and minds.

1133
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: Let's see who laser chain Robert as a lifelong Syracuse fan,

1134
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see that Doug Moron is on

1135
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: the staff to reassume lead the offensive line and its

1136
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: first season is as the su head coach. The team

1137
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 2: was visibly better by mid season and made their first

1138
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: Bowl game in several seasons. The following year. Doug played

1139
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: under coach McPherson and will bring the discipline and accountability

1140
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: to the program that seemed to be lacking last season.

1141
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: I also love that Vrabel seems to be bringing in

1142
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: some developmental coaches to hopefully be prepared to advance as

1143
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: assistant coaches when they inevitably move on. Overall, very excited

1144
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: for this offseason and future of the team.

1145
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 5: That's a question because I saw I saw some criticism

1146
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 5: oflast year and saying, you know, why didn't we hire

1147
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 5: some of these kind of guys last year?

1148
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: And and but they weren't really putting that at like

1149
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: wasn't it.

1150
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 5: Mayo's choice who he hired?

1151
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: Like I don't know they this is kind of what

1152
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: I was talking about by like people like you know,

1153
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: now they're doing it. I think they they had the

1154
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: same philosophy last year. There was some guys they brought

1155
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: in that they knew a little bit about they that

1156
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: they you know, like Pellegrino and Belichick that they kept.

1157
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: You know, Covington gets the promotion to defensive coordinator. They

1158
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 3: went outside the organization and got a bunch of guys

1159
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: that had some experience, like McCartney I brought up earlier

1160
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: he was in Denver and had done it. And they

1161
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 3: had a bunch of up and coming guys that they

1162
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: gave kind of there for his jobs to that were

1163
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: in mind, they had a they had a cast of

1164
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: thousands on that coaching staff. Last year they had assistant

1165
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: to the assistant general manager, you know, offensive line, right,

1166
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: they had like two offensive line assistant coaches, right, So

1167
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: I think that there, Their theory last year was very

1168
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 3: similar to what their theory I think is right now.

1169
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: I think right now they're they're identifying better people to

1170
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: fill the roles. But again I think, well, I don't like,

1171
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't I'm not well versed on the

1172
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: Riley was the guy's name, Riley Milton something or other, Patterson,

1173
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 3: Riley Lartin.

1174
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 5: I think I might have got I think I might

1175
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: have gotten that.

1176
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: I mean, those guys could be the next guys, you know,

1177
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: the next type pants guys for all I know. And

1178
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you're like, well, it's like

1179
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels and Brian and Brian Dable from two thousand.

1180
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: Those could be those guys. John Carroll guy too, right,

1181
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: one of them is I think, right there you.

1182
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: Go, Brendan in Denham. While I ultimately am a fan

1183
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: of gathering at a diverse and experienced staff the fact

1184
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: that every single offensive hire has been a Rabel guy,

1185
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: predominantly West Coast, has given me some pause. I'm worried

1186
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: that McDaniels was foisted upon Vrabel, much like Bill O'Brien

1187
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: was forced on Bill. I would have expected at least

1188
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: someone McDaniel's work with to be on the staff. Hopefully

1189
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: I'm proven wrong and McDaniel's really just as adapting his

1190
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: offense to a more West Coast scheme. But I wonder

1191
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: what you guys feel about that. I hope he wasn't.

1192
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point, and it's something that's

1193
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: been on my mind.

1194
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now what a schefter know. But schefter, you know,

1195
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: was on record saying to a couple of different shows,

1196
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: including Andy Harts Show, that no, this was a Rabel pick.

1197
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: Yeah so no, no, no, but the all the coaches

1198
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: are Verrabel.

1199
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the coaches are. But he also wondered if

1200
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: McDaniels was, well, you know, forced on him.

1201
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 3: There's two ways of going here. This could be a

1202
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: good a positive sign in my view, because you know,

1203
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: so how about that?

1204
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, the out side of the stream very high.

1205
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: On man, and I think it could be a positive

1206
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: because I think there might be an indication that Josh

1207
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: is willing to adapt the offense a little bit. I

1208
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: don't want the same old offense. Not just me being stubborn,

1209
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: I'll admit, I like that's me being stubborn. Ye, I

1210
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: want to evolve a little bit offensively, And I think

1211
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: these guys coming in might be an indication that Josh

1212
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: is willing to evolve a little bit, maybe change some

1213
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: of the concepts that they've clung to for twenty years.

1214
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: Right.

1215
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 5: But the other side of the street, which is where

1216
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: maybe you usually live, would be that Josh is the

1217
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 5: one that stands out amongst this group and that he

1218
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 5: doesn't fit.

1219
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: But what the email are saying, you know, and I

1220
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: just I don't.

1221
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 5: Buy into the continuing of the meddlesome owner narrative. And

1222
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 5: I think that's what that is. I just don't really

1223
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 5: understand why they would do that just because he's a

1224
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 5: familiar name. I mean, it's it just stands out like, well,

1225
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 5: then if you're going to do that, then like.

1226
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: This, there's two schools of thought on this guy. I've

1227
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: you know, people have thrown this back at the people

1228
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: that have said this, But like, if you have to say,

1229
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: if Mike Rabel got the say, the New York Jets

1230
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: job with the Chicago Bears job, do you think Josh

1231
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: McDaniels would be his offensive coordinator?

1232
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: Heard this?

1233
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: Why not? I don't think there's any.

1234
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 5: Michael Felger dismisses that out of hand completely, And I

1235
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 5: don't understand.

1236
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 3: Pirie is the one who said it initially said why.

1237
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: I don't get why.

1238
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 3: Because I don't think that it would have been his pick.

1239
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: Why because he didn't work with him. I think all

1240
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: these guys that he's bringing into the staff he's got

1241
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 3: connections to, except for Josh McDaniels.

1242
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if that's true.

1243
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: I mean, pretty true.

1244
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a coaching connection to him, but but

1245
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: he has a familiarity with him, knows how he coached

1246
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: the offense.

1247
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 3: Is yeah, I mean for a couple of years.

1248
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 5: But it's Josh McDaniels not an appealing I mean, I

1249
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 5: know you're gonna.

1250
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna come back.

1251
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm just telling you

1252
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: the two schools. I don't know. I know, I'm just present.

1253
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm presenting.

1254
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: But I'm glad you brought this up because Felger did this,

1255
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 5: And I'm like, why are we just completely dismissing wouldn't blame.

1256
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: Felger for it.

1257
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 4: That's where I heard it, That's where I heard it.

1258
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 4: But why well, like he was just like absolutely.

1259
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: Not the higher as he talks, since the higher.

1260
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: Not that I'm away, let's here matter what he.

1261
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: Says, Well, what's how he says it?

1262
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: You know, like he's not yet he ain't gonna say this.

1263
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: I didn't want him, of course not. But how how

1264
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: how does my top pick turned us down? How do

1265
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 3: I settled for Josh?

1266
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: How does he answer the question?

1267
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't There was no one else in

1268
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 5: my mind Josh is that you know he's got And

1269
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 5: if you had been.

1270
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: Somewhere else, would you have brought Josh in?

1271
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1272
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 5: But I mean the point though, is that at one

1273
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 5: point Josh was the type type pants guy that everybody

1274
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 5: had to have, actually at two points or three points

1275
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 5: even when he went to Indie if you.

1276
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 4: Want to count that too.

1277
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 5: So I just don't get completely dismissing out of hand

1278
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 5: that a guy who look, I'm sorry, I know we

1279
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 5: can give all credit to Tom Brady for everything, but

1280
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 5: he did in fact coach the greatest quarterback of all

1281
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: time for a long time and was part of his development.

1282
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 5: He head coached two teams, and look, I know it

1283
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 5: wasn't great in Vegas, but they had some production there.

1284
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 5: They had some productive right there.

1285
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: That's so Brady turns around to Joshua points like and so.

1286
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 5: It's fine you say other teams don't care for him

1287
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 5: as much. But I just don't get how you dismiss

1288
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: out of hand that, Oh my god, there's no way

1289
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 5: that Jets would ever consider Josh McDaniels as their offensive

1290
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 5: coordinator compared to who, like, who are they bringing in

1291
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 5: right now?

1292
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1293
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 4: These random names.

1294
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: Are like all right, sure, but you don't think it

1295
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: was the Jets wouldn't consider the Bears was the one

1296
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: right Rabel? Would Rabel have hired Josh McDaniels as this

1297
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator if he went to the Jets or the Bears?

1298
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: That's that's question.

1299
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 4: Why I don't like, I don't think that's a connection

1300
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 4: to him.

1301
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 3: I gave you my answer. If I mean, that's.

1302
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 5: Not allow myself to rant a little bit. I love

1303
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 5: myself to introd, but that's like, this was like you're

1304
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought it up, because that was like,

1305
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 5: like why, Like, Josh has got a great resume, he's

1306
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 5: just sitting out there.

1307
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 3: He has a great he has a great resume with

1308
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: Tom Brady.

1309
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 4: Okay, well that's a pretty good resume.

1310
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: He's a quarterback of all time.

1311
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: But he didn't have he didn't have anything to do

1312
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: with developing Tom Brady. He became the offensive coordinator when

1313
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: Tom Brady had already won three titles. Well, and then

1314
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: he had nothing to do with I don't buy that.

1315
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 4: I don't buy that.

1316
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: And right, he was way learn right, but at least

1317
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 5: he's there with tom Brady, he's in front, he's learning everything.

1318
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: He's under Bill Stretch.

1319
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 5: So Tom Brady, Josh mctinals had no impact on tom

1320
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 5: Brady at all. His development anything, nothing, his development developed

1321
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: any time. Two thousand and four Times ended Charlie White.

1322
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 5: Tom Brady at two thousand and four, and that was it.

1323
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: That was who he was the rest of the time.

1324
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: Nothing changed in two thousand and five.

1325
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 5: Nothing changed in two thousand and seven, nothing at all.

1326
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 5: That was Tom Brady, same thing. Tom Brady had already led.

1327
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: The league in touchdown passes in two thousand and two.

1328
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: I don't buy it. I get Josh credit. I give

1329
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: him some credit. I'm not saying it's all him, but

1330
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: I think I.

1331
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: Didn't say I give him no credit. I don't give

1332
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: him credit for developing Tom Bradley. But it's the difference.

1333
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: I give him credit for adapting the Patriots offense in

1334
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: seven to Randy Moss.

1335
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I don't.

1336
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: I don't give him no credit setting offense like it.

1337
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: But when he's had other guys, he hasn't been able

1338
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: to be productive these guys, I think.

1339
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 4: I think Devanta Yadams was what I was. This was

1340
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 4: pretty big.

1341
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: Put numbers the Raiders.

1342
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: Yes they won games, all right.

1343
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 5: We're not talking about winning games.

1344
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 4: Were they productive or not?

1345
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: They mean they had one of the five worst offenses

1346
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: in history in Saint Louis.

1347
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: Okay, but what who's Sam Bradford?

1348
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: Yes, so he expected Sam Bradford's better than Jimmy Garoppolo.

1349
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 5: All right, So he didn't make magic happen with Sam

1350
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 5: Bradford and he can't coach now and he rode Tom

1351
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 5: Brady's coach couldn't.

1352
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: Make magic happen, or he couldn't get a first down

1353
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: like there's a difference.

1354
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing I will say for Josh is

1355
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: that for whatever reason, and you know, these guys talk,

1356
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: they there's a lot of behind the scenes chatter that

1357
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: goes on about coaches among the league, you know, inter

1358
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: interleague talk. So if guys are doing a good job,

1359
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: it gets talked about, like behind the scenes. I'm not

1360
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: talking through the media. And two teams really wanted Josh

1361
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: McDaniels to be their head coach. Now he failed as

1362
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: a head coach, but they really wanted him for whatever reason.

1363
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: Now you can say it's just because he had success

1364
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: with Tom Brady. That could be, but usually other things

1365
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 2: get taught, you know, known among you know the NFL network, like, yeah,

1366
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 2: he was really good. But Brady really says good things

1367
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: about him. He knows what he's talking about, He's innovative,

1368
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: you know those types of things, And that could be

1369
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: the reason why two teams really push to have him

1370
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: be their head coach.

1371
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 5: Wasn't three three Indie Denver?

1372
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm counting Indye Denver and the Raiders. Oh

1373
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: in the RAIDI you're right, yeah, so three teams.

1374
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 3: I'm just going by the results and I listen, we

1375
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: talked about this last week, but he might not. This

1376
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: is not a should they have hired Josh mctael's an

1377
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 3: offensive coord Now, I think that that's a perfectly fine hire.

1378
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: I am not excited about it, but I'm fine with it.

1379
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm this is kind of a separate thing that Mike

1380
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: and I are bickering about, which I'm here for, by

1381
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 3: the way, because we never bicker. Yeah, I like Okay,

1382
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: I do too. I think that there is an argument

1383
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: to be made. I don't know the answer because it's

1384
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: an unknowable fact. I think there's an argument to be

1385
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: made with Phil Perry said that if he had gotten

1386
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 3: the Bears job, this would not be Mike Rabel's pick

1387
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 3: for offensive coordinator. There's no way of knowing. Mike could

1388
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: be right. Why wouldn't he take Josh mccenials as his

1389
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator? Maybe they would have been the best option.

1390
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I don't know.

1391
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't know that, but I think an argument could

1392
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 3: be made. That's all.

1393
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree with that, But there could be another

1394
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: layer as to why that could be so. Because Josh

1395
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: had such bad results as the head coach and then

1396
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: backing out of the Colt's job, his reputation among the

1397
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: league might be a little tainted. Yeah, and so Rabel

1398
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: would know, or maybe the owner who he's working with

1399
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: on this new team like the Bears, would know. Fans

1400
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: aren't going to really like this. Is there someone else

1401
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: you could bring in that maybe has a more neutral

1402
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: or better reputation than Josh McDaniels. Where As in New

1403
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: England we all love Josh McDaniels. I mean, we don't

1404
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: care what happened with the Colts and the Rams and

1405
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: and the Raiders so.

1406
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: Here and Mike and I love Josh McDaniels. He's been

1407
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: very good. But don't but don't discount that. That's God's

1408
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: That's why people love them, because we all like Josh.

1409
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: But that But what I'm saying is the layer of

1410
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: not bringing him to another team in another market could

1411
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: be as part of that as much of it as

1412
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: it is for his ability.

1413
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get the toxicity that might exist based on

1414
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 5: the Indianapolis thing, And look, it didn't work out in

1415
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 5: Denver and and and the Raiders, and it kind of

1416
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 5: crashed and burned to an extent in both of those places.

1417
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 5: But I also just have trouble wrapping my head around

1418
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 5: that that this guy's kind of seen as and I'm

1419
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 5: just you know, seen as a pariah and just somebody

1420
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 5: who was kind of here and he had the greatest

1421
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 5: coach ahead time. It's not that I don't know, he's

1422
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 5: not that league, Like, is that a perspective, I don't.

1423
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: I don't, But I don't think people that are sizing

1424
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: the hire or saying he's a like you know, I.

1425
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: Think people are criticizing the higher. They're compromising there there.

1426
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: He's a good offensive coordinator, familiar.

1427
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: He's a good offensive coordinator. I would say he's not

1428
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 3: a good head coach, but he's a good offense.

1429
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the last thing I would say. It's just,

1430
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 5: you know what an opportunity for him though, to you know,

1431
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 5: put this stuff to.

1432
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 4: Rest, you know that.

1433
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 5: But for Josh, it's obviously a place that he's comfortable,

1434
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 5: but it's really a new opportunity for him to kind

1435
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: of you know, cement his legacy and build it outside

1436
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 5: of the guy that you know, did have three kind

1437
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 5: of bad hedge coaching situations outside of here, and now

1438
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 5: he can maybe come back and maybe develop Drake May

1439
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 5: and evolve his offense and you know, take another player

1440
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 5: to that level and really kind of prove, you know

1441
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to say, that that the guys you know,

1442
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 5: a good coach and that he should be desirable around

1443
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 5: the league instead of, you know, the flavor of the

1444
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 5: month where William Cohen now is going to be the

1445
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 5: coach of the Jaguars, And all right, we'll roll the

1446
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 5: dice on that one and see how it goes bad.

1447
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: Look, cringe, whoa, that was bad?

1448
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: Andre and New Jersey. At what point the AFC's East

1449
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: stopped helping out the Kansas City Chiefs, especially the Patriots

1450
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: and the Bills. Let me count the ways on how

1451
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: these two teams have made the beach down. Twenty seventeen,

1452
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: Patrick Bill's take a dre to trade down, the Chiefs

1453
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: pick Mahomes. Bills take a dre to trade down. The

1454
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: Chiefs picked Mahomes.

1455
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 3: I don't know they what he was trying to say there,

1456
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 3: but the Bills made the trade with the Chiefs that

1457
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: allowed the Chiefs to pick.

1458
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one, Patriots decided not to resign Joe Toney.

1459
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: The Chiefs gave him a massive deal. Twenty twenty two

1460
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: Patriots decided to move out of their twenty third overall

1461
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: pick and gave it to the Chiefs, which turned out

1462
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: to be Trent McDuffie twenty four. Bills decided to move

1463
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: out of the first round and the Chiefs moved up

1464
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: and took Xavier Worthy. Pretty sure there are others that

1465
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: have happened, but you guys get the point.

1466
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 5: That's I mean, it's a great example of you can say, yeah,

1467
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 5: the Chiefs drafted well, but I think they also were

1468
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 5: aggressive and going to get the guys that they wanted,

1469
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 5: and they got guys that could play, and it wasn't

1470
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 5: you know, There's been times when you trade up and

1471
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 5: it's you know, maybe hit or miss, But but those

1472
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 5: guys have all worked out. And I mean, really, other

1473
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 5: than Tony, who are there other big and I mean

1474
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 5: there's probably a couple I'm just blanking on, but who

1475
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 5: are there other big free agency edition contributors? You know,

1476
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the core of their team

1477
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 5: has really been drafted and developed, but you know, some

1478
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 5: key spots you fill in with free agency.

1479
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: That's how you Oh my god, I was gonna bring

1480
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 4: him up.

1481
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: Can you believe it?

1482
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 5: Like I don't really tweet anymore, but like that was

1483
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 5: something I'm like that guy did nothing but drop passes

1484
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 5: and looked disinterested in Patriots training camp.

1485
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 3: And now not here for that.

1486
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 5: But I was even playing, like, I just don't like

1487
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 5: the guy I saw out there seemed washed, he could

1488
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 5: not play, and I know he caught.

1489
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 3: The big one. To me on those is the worthy one,

1490
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: and not because I think were these great player or or.

1491
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: Not fast the Bills.

1492
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: The Bills planned on and wanted badly to draft a

1493
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: wide receiver and yet just decided we can trade with

1494
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 3: somebody else and just get it was a Bill moved

1495
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 3: that was that was a Belichick trade. Yeah, sure, Now

1496
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 3: vintage Belichick Keyon Coleman will end up being light years

1497
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: better than the other guys that got taken Worthy and Legette, right,

1498
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 3: because those are the guys that the Bills traded down

1499
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: twice because they they ended up drafting Keyon Coleman. That

1500
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 3: would be the narrative, but more recent Bill Belichick, those

1501
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 3: guys would be DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel and Terry McLaurin

1502
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: to you and Nikil Harry, you know, so we'll see

1503
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 3: how it goes to the Bills. That's the one I

1504
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: think you can really question, Brandon Bean, like you wanted

1505
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, why don't you just take the one

1506
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 3: that you like the best. Now you're gonna argue with

1507
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 3: me and tell me that what we liked Keon Coleman

1508
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 3: the best, so we can get I don't believe that, don't.

1509
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: And I think ke On Coleman will be fine. I

1510
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 3: think he's had I think he had a pretty solid

1511
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: rookie year, but I don't think he has the upside

1512
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: of a guy like Worthy. I think Worthy can be

1513
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: dynam well now I do.

1514
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 5: I mean early in the season, I thought Worthy was

1515
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 5: a speak guy. But I mean the way he's playing

1516
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 5: tough and I just kind of joking but serious too.

1517
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 5: Contested catches like pitch comparison to the Patriots and Christian

1518
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 5: Benford goes out in the first quarter and they absolutely

1519
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 5: tormented Kyer.

1520
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: They went after him.

1521
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: That's exactly what what Brady and Belichick would have over again.

1522
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 3: I'll give you Brady and Joshua McDermott.

1523
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: I love it. Mcdermoty and said it in his interviews,

1524
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: are kind of going after him.

1525
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 12: You know.

1526
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: I love that openness, you know, like this is what's happening.

1527
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: You know, it's no secret, Ford and Savannah. Three thoughts

1528
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: from over the weekend Wondering the PU opinion. Number one,

1529
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: Kansas City is good, complaining about the rest by Patriots

1530
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: fans pretty bad, Petty and Baddie says. Number two the

1531
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: rough sock can't wait for AI to replace them all.

1532
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: Number three going for two. Down by two early in games,

1533
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: came back to bite teams. Every point counts and puts

1534
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: you in a bad position later in the game. Take

1535
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: the one, even if you're down by two in the

1536
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: first half, at least maybe even in the first three quarters.

1537
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 5: I think this, I'd like to break it down. I'd

1538
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 5: like to get into the nitty gritty of you know,

1539
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 5: there's all kinds of individual things that we complain about

1540
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 5: with the rest, spotting of the ball, the you know,

1541
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 5: the calls on the quarterback, all that kind of stuff,

1542
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 5: like you know, and it's not just make them full

1543
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 5: time and everything will be fine.

1544
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 9: You know.

1545
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 5: I think there is an element of technology that could

1546
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 5: come into play that we talked.

1547
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 4: Frank, I don't know if it's food's coming back.

1548
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: You know way more about this crap than me and

1549
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: Mike do. This technology. You know that there's been a

1550
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: chip in the ball. No, there's been a chip in

1551
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: the ball since I think six maybe seventeen, twenty seventeen.

1552
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: What would present I come to you, because you know

1553
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: all about the tennis and the you know the linesman

1554
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 3: or you know, basically irrelevant tennis now, is it? Because

1555
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: there's nothing in the way that it works.

1556
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: I think that's it. I think in order to make

1557
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: it work when you have huddled masses of players there,

1558
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: you know the number of angles that you would need

1559
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 2: talking to that ship triangulation. Yeah, I think it would

1560
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: cost a lot of money, which you know again, let's

1561
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: then have a bake sale and we'll help pay for it.

1562
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 2: It's it comes down to the will of the owners

1563
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: to make sure that they're spending the money to do it.

1564
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: It has to be obviously the same in every park,

1565
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: no matter what you know. Prime Time can't be any

1566
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 2: different than a one o'clock game. You have to have

1567
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: that same technology for every game. And then what happens

1568
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: during the game, if something breaks.

1569
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 3: Can it be done? Do you think that? Do you

1570
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: think the technology exists where we have a chip in

1571
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: the ball, we can tell definitively electronically that whether or

1572
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: not Josh Allen got the forty.

1573
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

1574
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 3: I think helpful I come to you with one, I

1575
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 3: don't come. I don't come.

1576
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: Obviously, if there's if there's nobody around. They're doing it

1577
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 2: in tennis right now.

1578
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 3: You know exactly like I mean, it's amazing sliver.

1579
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about the credit card you know thing,

1580
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: it's even less than that that they're calling these balls

1581
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: in and out in tennis. So obviously the technology works

1582
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 2: with just lasers. There's no chips and tennis balls. They're

1583
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: doing it without ship It's just a laser that that

1584
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: I think.

1585
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm with my I'm intrigued about the technology. Can they

1586
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 3: make it?

1587
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't think the simple lasers can work. So now

1588
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: you're talking about something talking to the chip and all

1589
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: that stuff or if I whatever it is. You know,

1590
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: I know with Wi Fi, the biggest one of the

1591
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: biggest things that impede Wi Fi singles is water. And

1592
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: people are full of water, like eighty percent water. So

1593
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: when you have you know, ten guys who yea thousands

1594
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: of pounds of water, I would imagine that would interrupt

1595
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: any signal that's trying to talk about a.

1596
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just there's I mean, there's so many that

1597
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 5: are controversial at a variety of Like I said, and

1598
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 5: can you just start checking little boxes off because I

1599
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 5: don't think making them, you know, like I said, making

1600
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 5: them full time or having everything reviewable.

1601
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 2: You'll tell you what we should do. The company that

1602
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: does all this chip stuff is Zebra Technologies. Maybe we

1603
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: should get somebody on the phone from Zebra just talk

1604
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: about it, like this is possible. Yeah, yeah, you know,

1605
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: maybe they're like, yeah, we've got the technology, we're just

1606
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: waiting for the league to you know, open the.

1607
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 3: And like I said, they've had a chip in the

1608
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: ball for a while, and I think some of the

1609
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: spring leagues have further explored how to utilize that technology.

1610
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just spit on here, but what if

1611
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 5: it's like the distance the bout ball traveled rather than

1612
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 5: trying to like get it to cross over.

1613
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: But remember, it's just that tip of the nose that

1614
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: has to break that imaginary plane, so it has to

1615
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: be really precise.

1616
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people have talked about

1617
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: like like that play with Josh. Well, you know, then

1618
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 3: you have to worry when you know, when was this

1619
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: progress stop? When did the nego down, but like you

1620
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: should be able to tract that data like and say,

1621
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 3: here's the initial hit and here's the initial push forward.

1622
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 3: I think Ki Kage is the one that actually pushed

1623
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 3: Allen in my view, past the line to gain. You'd

1624
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 3: have that like when it happened in the play, and

1625
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 3: then you could see the you know, there was other

1626
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: data that said it was back and forth.

1627
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: Not only do you so you have the chip and

1628
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: like Paul said, you would be able to have that

1629
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: freeze frame of exactly when they tell you when the

1630
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: players ruled down and where the ball is at time.

1631
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: But in order to make it work, you have to

1632
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,839
Speaker 2: replace the little, you know, plastic thing on the ground,

1633
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 2: and you have to replace the sideline marking with with

1634
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 2: a laser or you know something that is matching up

1635
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: to your freeze frame.

1636
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just I'm picturing and you all know the

1637
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 5: tennis view when they do the replay, and you know,

1638
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 5: it's like a like when you imagine a virtual gridiron

1639
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 5: and the players, the players are gone and all you

1640
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 5: see is the ball.

1641
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 4: You see like a plane going up across the field.

1642
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 5: And then as you know, as soon as you see

1643
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 5: that ball and it's sponsored.

1644
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sponsored. More money. All right, We're gonna take

1645
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 2: a break because my food's here. Mike brought a sandwich yet, Yeah,

1646
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: so good for Mike. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 14: It's time for another episode of Patch from the Past podcast.

1669
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 14: Matt Smith, along with Paul Frillo, please to be joined

1670
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 14: by number twenty eight. Can you believe that number twenty eight?

1671
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 10: It is?

1672
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 14: It great to see Corey Dylon here.

1673
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: Corey, thanks for joining us, man, thanks for having me.

1674
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 4: Really appreciate it. It's great to see you. It's been a while.

1675
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 3: I know you came back in December.

1676
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 4: I think last year.

1677
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 14: You're here today, you're going into the Bengals Ring of

1678
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 14: Honor or Hall of Fame. It seems like you're reconnecting

1679
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 14: with the franchises that you played with, and that's got

1680
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 14: to make you feel great.

1681
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been a long time coming. I kind of

1682
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 9: went off the the reservation the same for for many years.

1683
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 9: So just just getting back and coming back around the

1684
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 9: organizations a it's a good feeling.

1685
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 3: So the full disclosure, we did try to get you

1686
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 3: in December too. That's one of our one of our

1687
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 3: few failures. Yes, yes, you're right, Paul, we didn't get

1688
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: them the first time around. But it is great. I

1689
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 3: would echo what Matt said. You know, we're going to

1690
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 3: get into the two thousand and four season, but that

1691
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 3: is a that is one that I think has a

1692
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: special place in the heart of a lot of people

1693
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 3: in this area. That that twenty and four team was

1694
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 3: a special team, and you know, I'm really looking forward

1695
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 3: to getting some of your man.

1696
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 9: It was. It was great to be a part of

1697
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 9: that team. Man, there's so many Hall of Fame caliber

1698
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 9: players on that team. It's it's it's crazy. That's that's

1699
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 9: one of the favorite teams out of my whole career

1700
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 9: I played for. And dude, I had a great time.

1701
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 9: That was that was one hell of a run.

1702
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 14: So let's get to it here at April, it's before

1703
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 14: the draft, right, were there conversations going on. Did you

1704
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 14: think that that was a possibility.

1705
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: Or did it catch you off guard?

1706
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 9: No, Man, to be honest, I'm at home. I'm thinking

1707
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 9: like worst case scenario type things. So I'm thinking, like, man,

1708
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 9: I may have to sit out a year or whatever.

1709
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 9: I think. I think the Raiders were real serious about

1710
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 9: bringing me in, and and that was that was my

1711
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 9: first first option, and that's what I was thinking, like, Man,

1712
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 9: I might be going to Oakland. So to actually get

1713
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 9: the call from my agent was like and he told

1714
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 9: me like this, he was just like, pack a back

1715
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 9: we're going to Boston, and I said for what, you know,

1716
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 9: I don't like for what we were going to bost for.

1717
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 9: And he just told me, Ben, shut up, just pack

1718
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 9: a back and meet me at the airport. So actually

1719
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 9: coming down here and and meeting with Bill and Scott Pioli. Man,

1720
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 9: we had a great conversation and it was simple. Man,

1721
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 9: it didn't take that long. It was just like, hey,

1722
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 9: you know, what, do you think you could play for us?

1723
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 9: I said absolutely. We shook hands and that was that

1724
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 9: was it, and the rest is history.

1725
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 3: So at the end in Cincinnati, you know, we we

1726
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 3: you know, we're only watching from afar, you know, so

1727
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 3: we're seeing the highlights where you know, we're hearing the

1728
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 3: you know, the chatter, and we were like, well, does

1729
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: this guy really want to play? But it got to

1730
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 3: the point where it was so bad for you with

1731
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: that organization that you you felt strongly enough as you

1732
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: just said that you you thought you might just sit

1733
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 3: out rather than play for them again. It must have

1734
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 3: been it must have felt like a rebirth to come

1735
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,839
Speaker 3: here and play for play for the Patriots.

1736
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 9: Oh dude, it was so refreshing, you know, just coming

1737
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 9: from the situation I came in, we were at ends

1738
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 9: odds ends about just what transpired that whole year. So,

1739
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 9: you know what, I'm coming off an injury and and

1740
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 9: just some of the stuff that was going on during

1741
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 9: that year, I mean just compounded the situation. So actually

1742
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 9: to get a fresh new start and actually come to

1743
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 9: an organization that winning is everything, I embraced that. That's

1744
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 9: what I wanted to do.

1745
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 14: Did you have any preconceived notions? I mean, it feels

1746
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 14: like it's almost like a get out of jail free

1747
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 14: card for you. Maybe you'd have accepted to go any

1748
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 14: places be yeah, but.

1749
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 4: Here you're coming to the defending super Bowl champions.

1750
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 14: You don't know anything about the organization other than they're

1751
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 14: the defending champs. What was your feeling coming in.

1752
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 9: Ah, Man, that was a lot of anxiety, to be

1753
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 9: honest with you, because you don't know what to expect.

1754
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 9: They already got something in place and they're rolling, and

1755
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 9: then you got this. You got this notion of like

1756
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 9: what they really need me for? They just want the

1757
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 9: super Bowl, you know what I mean. So I think

1758
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 9: I think some people think it's easy to be traded

1759
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 9: to a super Bowl champion. Man, there's more pressure on

1760
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 9: you to make your mark and to contribute to that

1761
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 9: to that team. So I mean, I I embraced that

1762
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 9: situation as well. I just wanted to come in and

1763
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 9: you know, do my part. And for the most part, man,

1764
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 9: my teammates were great. They accepted me, the organization accepted me.

1765
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 9: Bill let me do my theme, man, So it kind

1766
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 9: of worked out.

1767
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 3: So that's interesting that you had some anxiety coming in,

1768
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 3: Really interesting, right, So what was you know, what you

1769
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 3: said that they really accepted you. What was the moment

1770
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 3: that you sort of felt accepted.

1771
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 9: Well, hey, some of these players already knew, right, so

1772
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 9: that that kind of that kind of bridged the gap

1773
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 9: of getting comfortable.

1774
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 14: Meaning that you could play like in two thousand and

1775
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 14: one they had to face in you know.

1776
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 9: Kinis Yeah, So I mean just breaking the eyes and

1777
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 9: getting to know these guys, and I mean just coming

1778
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 9: here doing training camp and us joking around and getting

1779
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 9: familiar with each other, we kind of, you know, everybody

1780
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 9: was just like, oh okay, so some of the things

1781
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 9: I hear ain't what they are, you know what I mean.

1782
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure coming in due

1783
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 9: to the fact that left Cincinnati, they were like, can

1784
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 9: we trust him. Can is he gonna be able to

1785
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 9: feel any with us? Can he does? You know? Just

1786
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 9: things like that of that nature and just coming in

1787
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 9: and they seeing my personality like I'm just like them,

1788
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 9: I think kind of broke the eyes and we started

1789
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 9: we started yelling, and they let me do my thing.

1790
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: So there was an acclamation period.

1791
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

1792
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 2: History.

1793
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 15: Here's what I would like you to adopt on unfiltered

1794
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 15: and every other thing that you do in here, god

1795
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 15: knows what during the week, take a little more zen

1796
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 15: approach and.

1797
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: You're in the moment.

1798
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 15: Whatever you're doing, you do, we have it's fuel. How

1799
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 15: about eleven minutes?

1800
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: Does that is that?

1801
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: Egregious?

1802
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 10: Is eleven minutes in the whole day. See here's the thing.

1803
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 10: His work day is four hours. Our work day is

1804
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 10: ten hours. Yeah, that's what he doesn't understand. That's what

1805
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 10: he doesn't understand.

1806
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 3: Works more than does that?

1807
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 15: Does that include when I'm here doing the rabs, where

1808
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 15: I'm doing my statell.

1809
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 10: A single day on a single day, a single day,

1810
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 10: not here to do the podcast slash radio show.

1811
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: We're here to do other things. We throw that in

1812
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 2: for our fans. Let's carr let our fans understand that

1813
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: we need to eat.

1814
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 15: Let's you and I both carry a little personal work.

1815
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 15: Mater believe in UFOs, Hardy and you just let's talk

1816
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 15: about UFOs.

1817
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 3: You know what I'm going there.

1818
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,839
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

1819
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: Comes on our show and Scott's criticizing around that.

1820
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 4: Was that a postgame show?

1821
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 3: I believe it was.

1822
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually, Fred, if you don't mind, I know, we

1823
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 5: just ran the Cory Dylan thing. I just wanted to

1824
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 5: tease my two thousand and four h podcast that's coming up.

1825
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 5: So me and Matter are working diligently on that will

1826
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 5: be out in the next couple of weeks. But a

1827
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 5: lot of fum got Paul back back again, and I'm excited.

1828
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 3: I don't think I made any mistakes this.

1829
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 5: Time, no id No, But one more interview that we're

1830
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 5: going to add in, and I'm going to get to

1831
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 5: talk to Matt Patricia on Friday. That year was first

1832
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 5: year coaching assistant with the team, So a bunch of interviews,

1833
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 5: new perspectives on two thousand and four.

1834
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 4: It's been cool going back.

1835
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 3: So mu Sech just really slim down. Yeah, he looks

1836
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 3: great pickleball and no stress. That's alliball and stress. Okay,

1837
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 3: so we'll get one of those.

1838
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, back to the calls and emails podcasts

1839
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com is the email address tpx hutline

1840
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: is eight five to five Pats five hundred. Tony in

1841
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: pot In UK loves the shows. I know you don't

1842
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 2: like talking about soccer, but they have goal line technology

1843
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 2: in the English Premier League and it works really well.

1844
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how many players are in the way, they

1845
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: can figure out whether the ball did or did not

1846
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: cross the line.

1847
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I just I'm not but isn't it

1848
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: like overhead.

1849
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: It's overhead and so you don't have a million guys

1850
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: standing over the ball at the line, you know what

1851
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: I mean that off.

1852
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 3: Side and he I think there's got to be a

1853
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 3: wet The email is right, I'm gonna think this's gotta

1854
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 3: be I'm not poo pooing it.

1855
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm not there's a difference with with

1856
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: what they're doing in soccer and what needs to be

1857
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: done with football.

1858
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: Does not generally pile up, you know, piles of humanity

1859
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,520
Speaker 3: and the goal.

1860
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 2: What I think we should always we should get somebody

1861
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 2: from Zebra technologies on the line and talk about it. Yeah,

1862
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 2: talk about if we.

1863
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 3: Did do that at the break, but evidently you had

1864
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: to eat.

1865
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 5: Wouldn't it just be great though, you know, like all right,

1866
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 5: let's go to the thing and they just put it

1867
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 5: up on the stadium and there it is.

1868
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 4: The ball is in.

1869
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 5: It's a touchdown or no it did not, it's not

1870
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 5: a touchdown. There's no complaints, there's no arguments.

1871
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 3: You know where the ball was. And it's funny about

1872
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: that play. I'm even thinking back, like I saw the

1873
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: guy running in from the bottom and I saw the

1874
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 3: guy running in from the top, and okay, so they're

1875
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: clearly not on the same page. And I was like,

1876
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 3: they're gonna make McDermott waste challenge on this. And then

1877
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 3: they did replay assist instead. They just went to challenge

1878
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 3: it on and all they didn't make it and I

1879
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 3: was like, they're going to get it right, yeah, and

1880
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 3: they didn't get it right.

1881
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like, yeah, Adam and Louisiana Tennis doesn't

1882
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: use the chip in the ball for replay. Yeah, we

1883
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 2: said that it uses cameras all around the court to

1884
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 2: triangulate where the ball is. That's not possible in the

1885
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 2: NFL due to the players blocking it. The chip in

1886
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: the ball makes it possible, but the ball is a

1887
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 2: weird shape, so it's hard to know if any point

1888
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: of the ball crosses the line. Plus, there are many

1889
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 2: factors that go into ending a play. The player has

1890
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 2: to be down and contacted by another player or know

1891
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: when the ref blows the whistle. It has to all

1892
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: match up to the time of the clock. It would

1893
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: slow the game down immensely.

1894
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 3: Tie.

1895
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 2: I disagree with that is always a way.

1896
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 3: I disagree with that last part because we're not talking

1897
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 3: about doing this on every play, right, Like you're going

1898
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 3: to have to live with some inconsistencies and inaccuracies on

1899
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 3: spotting the ball on a down to down basis. But

1900
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 3: when games on the line, like a play like that,

1901
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: you need to look at it.

1902
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 4: I wonder Howdy would feel about it.

1903
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 5: I know it's such a thing about like the goal

1904
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 5: angles around the world, and you know it's like all

1905
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 5: his problems with like breaking the goal line.

1906
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: So he's not one with the chip. Right Does the

1907
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 3: chip just get recorded? No matter like where it's situated

1908
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 3: in the ball.

1909
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 2: It looks like it each side of the ball belly

1910
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 2: and at the belly.

1911
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 3: So now three chips.

1912
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 5: But couldn't you just have a chip that you're programmed

1913
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 5: to know the shape of the ball. So if the

1914
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 5: chip is here, it knows where the dimensions of the

1915
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 5: ball are from that one chip. You know, like it's

1916
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 5: always going to get in the same spot. It's not

1917
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 5: bouncing around inside the thing. It's you know, stationary in

1918
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 5: the middle, and it knows.

1919
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 4: It goes six inches out this way.

1920
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 3: It's six inches.

1921
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: If it's seeing the chip here, then that means the

1922
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: other part of the ball has to be here. Okay,

1923
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: I could I could talk to Zebra write that script.

1924
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 5: We'll talk to Zebra Technologies about that.

1925
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: That's probably the bottom line. We need someone that actually

1926
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 3: knows what they're talking about.

1927
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 4: Like some secretary like.

1928
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: Rosemary writes in from Brazil. It's on everyone's lips that

1929
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: the team that plays in Brazil is going to the

1930
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So, mister Kraft, do your thing. A dumb question,

1931
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 2: what do you mean when you say tighte pants coaches?

1932
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 2: Because the literary translation in my head gets me every time.

1933
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 5: To be young offensive hot shots that yeah, and a

1934
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 5: lot of them just happened to be sort of good

1935
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 5: looking guys that are in great shape.

1936
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 2: So we they wear these tighte pants.

1937
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 3: We've kind of, yeah, you know, we've kind of morphed

1938
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 3: that into these type pants young tight pants guys.

1939
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 2: Look at McDaniel, who is the head coach of Miami.

1940
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: He's a tight pants guy. He actually wears almost like Capripo.

1941
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 3: Prolls him up. I wouldn't put him in qualify him

1942
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 3: as a good looking guy. He's a weird looking.

1943
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: But he's one of the type pants guys.

1944
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 5: Yes, he's definitely like Sean Fay is probably the grandfather.

1945
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Brazil one, didn't they make a is that

1946
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 3: Miami playing in Brazil and.

1947
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: They would announced Brazil?

1948
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 3: Yet? I thought they did. I thought they announced the

1949
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 3: home team for two of the games.

1950
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: Was it Madrid?

1951
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 3: No, I'm not sure. I thought Madrid.

1952
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: They announced Spain.

1953
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: I thought Madrid was still open. I was kind of

1954
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 3: hoping for that one.

1955
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they announced one of the teams in Spain.

1956
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 4: You big in Spain? Can you out there?

1957
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 9: Oh?

1958
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1959
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1960
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:24,839
Speaker 2: What what's.

1961
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 3: Doin's got?

1962
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: The Madrid game?

1963
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 3: The Madrid game?

1964
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1965
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:30,799
Speaker 2: Madrid?

1966
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 3: Okay, so there is no nobody for Brazili.

1967
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: Still hasn't been announced yet. Okay, yeah, Curtis and Saint

1968
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: Louis writes in a few quick questions, Paul correct me

1969
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. Earlier in the season, I believe you

1970
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: said you felt May had a higher ceiling than Jayde

1971
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: and Daniel's long term I did wondering if you still

1972
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 2: feel the same. I still do. Do you still feel

1973
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 2: the same higher ceiling for Drake May.

1974
01:26:58,880 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: That's tough.

1975
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,440
Speaker 2: Daniels keeps keeps doing it, he keeps salivating.

1976
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 3: He's absolutely right. I did say that for now. I'm

1977
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 3: gonna air on the side. This has been my Homer show.

1978
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with my Homer if my

1979
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 3: homrrific view and say yes, but I'm not gonna lie.

1980
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Daniels has exceeded what I thought he could do.

1981
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 5: I just wonder if there's something to other defensive coordinators

1982
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 5: getting a beat on him. I mean, I think he's

1983
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 5: really talented and it's going to be a nightmare to

1984
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 5: defend anyway. But and then just the unknown his injuries

1985
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 5: with his frame, like you know, and those are things

1986
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 5: you can't product.

1987
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 4: It's just a bad hit.

1988
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: But in terms of ability, he just keeps getting better

1989
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,440
Speaker 2: and better. And I like his composure and his comportment.

1990
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: That's I think he's a real leader.

1991
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 3: That's the part that I like. You know, like and

1992
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 3: again you don't know those things, but that to me

1993
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,839
Speaker 3: is what is separated and Mike, you talked about it earlier.

1994
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 3: You know just about these guys and you don't know

1995
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 3: the killers. When the game is on the line, he

1996
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 3: is fourth down.

1997
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: It slows down on the line. Second, what's your thoughts

1998
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: on the Patriots trading a fifth or six for Christian

1999
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Kirk as wide receiver too. I think he'd be a

2000
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 2: great addition that on top of getting a true wide

2001
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 2: receiver like Higgins Metcap Brown, et cetera, would really weaponize

2002
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 2: the offense.

2003
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 3: I like it.

2004
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,839
Speaker 5: If he's healthy, sure, yeah, And I'm pretty much opened to anything.

2005
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 3: I've always liked Christian Kirk and that would be a

2006
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,520
Speaker 3: good price. I mean, fifth to sixth round pick. Absolutely.

2007
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: Back to the phones, the TPS headline eighty five to

2008
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 2: five Pats five hundred. Eldred has been hanging on for

2009
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: a while. What's up, Eldred? Back on the road?

2010
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 7: Good, Yeah, I'm on the road. I'm on the side

2011
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 7: of the road right now. Broke down, Oh, I thought

2012
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 7: you were.

2013
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: Going to say you were doing with Paul did on

2014
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 2: the side of the road.

2015
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 7: I don't think so. I don't think, but that two

2016
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 7: thousand and four, two thousand and seven was my best

2017
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 7: best two kings. I'll see it for two seven two

2018
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 7: even though we didn't we didn't complete the deal, but boy,

2019
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 7: that was my type of fit. But got a question

2020
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 7: for you, Like everybody talked about last weeks, what you

2021
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 7: call couldn't beat the Bills and Alan can't beat mahomes?

2022
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 7: Do they still fit the same thing? And with my

2023
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 7: home still to go over both of them? Or is

2024
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 7: it just was it them guys? But it's just supporting

2025
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 7: casts around them, That's what I'm want to know. And

2026
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 7: now I take it off their hair. Thanks y'all, have

2027
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 7: a good day.

2028
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 4: I didn't follow that one.

2029
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 2: Supporting casts for who? For Alan?

2030
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I think that the Bills were good

2031
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 3: enough to beat the Chiefs this year, but they clearly reseat.

2032
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 3: This is what you know, the basis of you know,

2033
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 3: the bickering that you and I do, which is not

2034
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 3: really an argument because we kind of joke about it.

2035
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 3: The whole window closed anything. I think the window couldn't

2036
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 3: be any more open for Buffalo Allen, they'll be because

2037
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 3: they just sort of reset and still went to the

2038
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 3: AC Championship. They kind of did what the Patriots did

2039
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: in six. Yeah, you know, whereas they kind of like

2040
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 3: got some guys, you know, move some guys around, and

2041
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: you know some some older guys are gone. It's kind

2042
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 3: of a like a you know, in a recess. They

2043
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 3: have a chance to be a lot better on paper

2044
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 3: next year than they are this year. We think it.

2045
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I'd be I'd be shocked if they're not better on paper.

2046
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 5: Do you think of the experience James Cook got this

2047
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 5: year with a breakout year, Shakir kind of a breakout year,

2048
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 5: Keon Coleman probably gonna be better in year two, and

2049
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 5: then you supplement around those guys.

2050
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 3: They're gonna add to those guys. So you know, i'd

2051
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 3: be I'd be surprised if they didn't ye defensively, especially Yeah,

2052
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:45,480
Speaker 3: keep adding.

2053
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: Dan and Virginia and Michigan. What's up Dan?

2054
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2055
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 2: Fred.

2056
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 16: The chase really seemed to be to the Bills what

2057
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 16: the Patriots were that the Manning cults. So you know

2058
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 16: what that means. The Bills never gonna get over hump

2059
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 16: until like pumping the flu and the craft.

2060
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 3: No oil, right, good point right, good point.

2061
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 16: Two questions coming out of the coaching highs made within

2062
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 16: the last couple of days, this biak the Ribels stature

2063
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 16: in the league that he can bring in coaches like

2064
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 16: Maron or is that more likely due to this Mayo's

2065
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 16: choice last year rather than necessarily Marone not wanting to come.

2066
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 2: And uh, you could argue that like bringing in.

2067
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 3: You know, McAdoo kind of point didn't the same things

2068
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 3: last year? We didn't like the guys they chose. Yeah,

2069
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: there's a difference.

2070
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's fair.

2071
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2072
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 16: The other question I have, and it was kind of

2073
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 16: a little different to the discussion and the viewpoint what

2074
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 16: was was going for before my question with the offensive

2075
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 16: stuff that's coming in under McDaniels, is is that kind

2076
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 16: of customary for an offensive coordinator not to choose his

2077
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 16: own stuff? And does it say something about rather than

2078
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 16: McDaniel's being forced on Brabel, that Brabel has either some

2079
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 16: reservations or just is looking to advance the Patriots offensive

2080
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 16: game and he's and so he's picking the guy's defensive

2081
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 16: stuff rather than McDaniels picking his own stuff.

2082
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that he didn't consult with McDaniels and say, hey,

2083
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 2: I've got this guy in mine. What do you think

2084
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: of him? McDaniel's like, yeah, no, that's fine with me.

2085
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't I don't

2086
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 2: know if anything was full.

2087
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 3: I think that's that's the crux of the Mike and

2088
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 3: I bickering.

2089
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:32,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2090
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2091
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 2: But here's the other thing, and like, again, we love Josh,

2092
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 2: but you were at Saint Louis, you're at the Raiders.

2093
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 2: Do people on that staff have a sour feeling about

2094
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 2: their head coach? The assistant coaches? Like, is there anyone

2095
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 2: from those staffs that Josh workworth that he wants to

2096
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 2: bring with him? You know, like, what is that? What

2097
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: does his network look like?

2098
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,719
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing for me because I'm with Mike

2099
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 3: and the premise that you had, I'm I was glad

2100
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 3: to see it's not Mick Lombardy and you know, just

2101
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 3: gonna get all the same guys and Josh's guys there

2102
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 3: are different voices. I think that's a good thing. Yeah,

2103
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 3: for sure. Now the flip side of that is, thanks,

2104
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Josh wanted those guys, but he got overruled, Vrabel said,

2105
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 3: but you can't have them.

2106
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't know.

2107
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I think to Fred's point earlier, it's it'll

2108
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 5: be interesting to hear from Vrabel. We'll hear from him

2109
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 5: in the coming days, I'm sure, and the next month

2110
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 5: that you know, how what was his philosophy kind of

2111
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 5: putting this together?

2112
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 3: Was it?

2113
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 4: You know?

2114
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 5: Does he come out and start talking about collaboration with Josh?

2115
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 5: And we identified a lot of young coaches that we

2116
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 5: felt like really had a lot of promise and could

2117
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 5: help take us to where the direction we want to

2118
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 5: take this offense. And I think those are the things

2119
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 5: you're kind of hoping to hear, not you know, I mean,

2120
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 5: you probably wouldn't hear the opposite of it.

2121
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 4: You just wouldn't hear anything. But that's the hope. That's

2122
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 4: the hope.

2123
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,799
Speaker 2: Travis and West Virginia. Are you any closer to agreeing

2124
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,719
Speaker 2: with me that Josh Allen ain't all that My stance

2125
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: is that he can't win games with his brain only, braun.

2126
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 3: No, I'm as convinced as ever he's as great. That

2127
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 3: was as great a performance as you can get.

2128
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 5: You mean, he pulled out of the pro Bowl too

2129
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 5: because of a risk injury, so we don't even know

2130
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 5: how much that was affecting, and ragged the team.

2131
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 3: To the AFC Championship game and down to the last possession,

2132
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 3: like you just hate him, which is okay. Sports hate

2133
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 3: is perfectly reasonable. Yep, I hate a lot of guys

2134
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 3: for no reason.

2135
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 2: Sam and Charlotte. I pushed back, Mike what Samon? Charlotte says.

2136
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 2: I pushed back that Josh was an ownership decision because

2137
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't know who would be a better candidate. Give

2138
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: me a better candidate and I'll consider your argument. Paul.

2139
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 3: I would have taken Dave Ragon, Nick Cayley.

2140
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2141
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: Everybody's been telling me how great this Thomas Brown hire wash.

2142
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 3: I've been reading the last three or four days. Someone

2143
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,440
Speaker 3: this morning called it a Super Bowl caliber staff.

2144
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: Who's Who's that?

2145
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 3: Someone Andrew Callahan on one of my shows, Well, he

2146
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 3: knows Baul. Now. I think that they were kind of

2147
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 3: goading him into saying it, which is why I got

2148
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 3: that smirk on my face. I don't think he necessarily

2149
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 3: meant it, but he kable. He was a good sport

2150
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 3: about it, and he kind of went with it. But

2151
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 3: he did say they have the makings for one of

2152
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 3: the best staffs in the league, which I'm not really

2153
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 3: sure what you're basing that on.

2154
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 2: Adam and Louisiana. Mike is wrong. He claims McDaniels is

2155
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 2: a QB developer, but then dismisses Sam Bradford immediately. Bradford

2156
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 2: was the first overall pick. If he couldn't get something

2157
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 2: out of him, He's not this great QB guru that

2158
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 2: everyone says he is. Josh has never developed a great quarterback.

2159
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: Brady was already Brady before him.

2160
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do it again.

2161
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 3: Well, I'll defend Mike a little bit, just a little bit.

2162
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 3: Well that's kind of more of how I feel, obviously,

2163
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna play devil's advocate and defend you a

2164
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 3: little bit. Like if he had a track record of

2165
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 3: strong development of quarterbacks and Sam Bradford didn't work, couldn't

2166
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 3: that be Sam Bradford's fault.

2167
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: Yep?

2168
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 3: Like he I mean, he wasn't. He was the number

2169
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 3: one overall pick, but he never turned into that. Now

2170
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 3: he was average at best. That's right now. I think

2171
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 3: that what worries me more about Josh is like he

2172
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 3: went to Denver, couldn't work with Jay Cutler, he went

2173
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 3: to the Raiders, really couldn't work with Derek Carr, Like,

2174
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 3: is it a you problem or is it a them problem?

2175
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 9: Right?

2176
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's a valid pushback on

2177
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 5: that regard. But I also I wasn't. I'm not here

2178
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 5: to claim that Josh is this great quarterback developer. That

2179
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 5: wasn't my argument.

2180
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 3: I just think I wasn't.

2181
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,599
Speaker 5: I'm responding to the email. I think he's a he's

2182
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 5: a very good offensive coordinator and respectable one. And I

2183
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 5: agree that they'll be able to develop a very talented

2184
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 5: player in Drake May, and that you know they're going

2185
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 5: to do things to maximize Drake May's talents. And that's

2186
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 5: what this coaching staff is. It's to figure out how

2187
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 5: can we maximize this kid who's got such a bag

2188
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 5: of tricks that you know, you really.

2189
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 2: You see what they did.

2190
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 3: If you're going to tell me that Josh's offense is

2191
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 3: going to be more like with the guys they're bringing

2192
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 3: in to work with him, I'm all on board. Yeah.

2193
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 3: The reason I was interested in other guys other than

2194
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 3: Josh is because I felt those other guys were going

2195
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 3: to run the offense that I am kind of looking

2196
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 3: forward to seeing as opposed to the old Patriots offense.

2197
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 3: This is not an anti Jodge, I said this last week.

2198
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 3: It's not an anti Josh stance. First of all, I

2199
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 3: really liked the guy, so it would definitely not be

2200
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 3: an anti Josh stance. I'd be like everybody else and

2201
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 3: sacrifice my integrity for the good of my relationship, but

2202
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to see what it might look like with

2203
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,759
Speaker 3: a Sean McVay, Kyle Shannean type approach.

2204
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 2: We all know that Brady's intelligence as football IQ was

2205
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: second to none, Yet it seems from what we've Brady

2206
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 2: has said and what's been reported, that Josh was able

2207
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 2: to communicate with him on his level. So I think Josh,

2208
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 2: you know, if it was just Brady and Josh was

2209
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,480
Speaker 2: just a bystander and really didn't contribute to those offenses,

2210
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 2: it would have been known, and I don't think Brady

2211
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 2: would have tolerated that. I think, you know, I don't

2212
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,759
Speaker 2: think he knows I think he knows ball.

2213
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 3: But I think I don't think anybody's doubting whether or

2214
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 3: not he knows ball. Like what we're people are talking

2215
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 3: about is that offense the best for right now. No,

2216
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 3: it's not like does he know that offense. Everyone agrees intellect.

2217
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Everyone agrees that they can't run the Brady And I'm

2218
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna call it the Brady offense because you know this

2219
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 2: whole Perkins Earhard thing, it became the Brady offense, that

2220
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 2: that playbook went from this to this because of Tom Brady.

2221
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 2: I agree with you, and they're not gonna be able

2222
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 2: to run that with anyone.

2223
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just to throw another variable in the mix.

2224
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 5: And I'm not using this as an example to support

2225
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 5: or deny my argument, but Bill O'Brien, Bill O'Brien was here,

2226
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 5: worked with Brady, went to Houston. I think some people

2227
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 5: give him credit for what Deshaun Watson did. He came back,

2228
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 5: he didn't do anything with Mac Jones.

2229
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 4: So I don't know what that says.

2230
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 2: By that time, you know Jones problem that was an

2231
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 2: organizational Mac Jones couldn't. Yeah, but you know, I don't know.

2232
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 3: But you don't hear me saying that Josh McDaniels ruined

2233
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 3: Mac Jones. That ain't mak, That ain't Josh McDonald's.

2234
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels didn't help Mac Jones win games. He helped

2235
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 2: him from not losing them. That that was That was

2236
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's role.

2237
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 3: For half a season, for half that season, until everybody

2238
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 3: figured out, okay, we can do this, this and this,

2239
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 3: and then that guy is.

2240
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 2: Used and then when he asked him to do more,

2241
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 2: we couldn't.

2242
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,640
Speaker 3: I know, they were like seventh in DVOA. Like, I

2243
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 3: believe me, Butdad sends me the numbers constantly. And listen,

2244
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 3: you know, Greg and I agree to disagree on it.

2245
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 3: We've we've sort of gone back and forth on it.

2246
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 3: I don't think that offense was good at all in

2247
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 3: that that season. I think Fred's point about that offense

2248
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 3: is one thousand percent right. They had it. They treated

2249
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:40,799
Speaker 3: him with kid gloves. They didn't let him do anything.

2250
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 3: They just told him to stay out of the way.

2251
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 3: And because of some good fortune early in the season,

2252
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 3: catching teams at the right time, like the number one

2253
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 3: seed Titans who were missing like twenty guys that day.

2254
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 3: Remember I remember how many guys they were missing that day,

2255
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 3: and you end up scoring like thirty six points because

2256
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 3: you're returning for touchdowns and whatnot. Made it look like

2257
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 3: it was a lot.

2258
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 2: I think Belichick had as much to do with the

2259
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 2: first half of that season as McDaniels Belichick. If there's

2260
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: no one that hates quarterbacks turning the ball over more

2261
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 2: than Belichick hates that, not that likes.

2262
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 3: Listen, if it was a great rookie year, like from

2263
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 3: start to finish, and they like, I would call it

2264
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 3: what it was. There's a line of demarkation in the

2265
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 3: middle of the season where they stopped scoring points, one

2266
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 3: of which the head coach refused to even allow him

2267
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 3: to attempt to pass right, let alone try to score points.

2268
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see, Jeremiah writes in an argument I would

2269
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 2: have for McDaniels to counter the Brady argument is that

2270
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 2: what quarterbacks who have had success in McDaniel's system did

2271
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 2: once they left Garoppolo, Brissett, Hoyer, Castle and Jones. So,

2272
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 2: in other words, they did pretty good under McDaniels, but

2273
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 2: when they left, they didn't do anything.

2274
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 3: Who did pretty good under McDaniels. Matt Castle had his

2275
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 3: best year in Kansas City, he said. Matt Cassel went

2276
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 3: to the playoffs and went to the Pro Bowl in

2277
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 3: Kansas City.

2278
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what he said.

2279
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 3: Garoppolo went to the Super Bowl in San Francisco. Yeah,

2280
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 3: like he had his best year with McDaniels. They were

2281
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 3: terrible last year. Okay, is that? But am I wrong?

2282
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 3: Am I misremembering as they say?

2283
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 5: No, I'm just I'm confused by what the email was

2284
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 5: trying to say.

2285
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 4: That's why I.

2286
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 2: Don't Jeff in California. He's one of those people who

2287
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 2: won't be watching the Super Bowl.

2288
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 3: Now he's rooting for the media.

2289
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 2: The NFL finally did it this weekend. He said they

2290
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 2: broke Jeff.

2291
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:38,759
Speaker 4: Jeff.

2292
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 3: They broke Jeff and California.

2293
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 2: I know, I know Paul will roll his eyes and say,

2294
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 2: I'm a liar.

2295
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 3: I do not roll my you are a liar.

2296
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 2: You will watch, But I shan't be watching a minute

2297
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl this year. I'll keep my eye

2298
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 2: on the box score in case Philly is blowing out

2299
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 2: the k C Refs calls them the Casey Refs. But otherwise,

2300
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 2: if the score is closed at all by the end,

2301
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 2: we all know it'll just be a laundry parade of

2302
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 2: yellow flags for the Swifties to get their way. It's

2303
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,679
Speaker 2: hard enough to win games in the NFL when most

2304
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 2: are within one score, but to beat a case team

2305
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 2: loaded with all Pro defensive talent, a Hall of Fame

2306
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, a Hall of Fame tight end, three Pro

2307
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: Bowl offensive lineman, the greatest head coach ever, and have

2308
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 2: the refs actively selling out to the Swifties for viewership

2309
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: makes it all but impossible.

2310
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 3: The Swifties PU, I love the swiftiest part of it.

2311
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: PU will be the only football related thing I will

2312
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 2: consume over the next two weeks and possibly the next

2313
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: month plus, depending on what happens with the game, because

2314
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 2: I refuse to listen to the nauseating media continue to

2315
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 2: bury their head in the sand as though it's not happening.

2316
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 2: The thirty two owners care first and foremost about money,

2317
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 2: and while the Bills, Texans and soon Jeffrey Lourie of

2318
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 2: the Eagles will be pissed that they get the shaft,

2319
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:58,639
Speaker 2: the other owners will support this nonsense. If the Taylor

2320
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 2: swift fans can bring another there are one hundred million

2321
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 2: eyeballs to the TV on Sunday because the goal is

2322
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 2: to build the NFL brand and increase revenue. As always,

2323
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys and everything you do. F the

2324
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 2: Chiefs end up pulling a thread and rooting for a

2325
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 2: Kelsey and Ma homeless injury during the off week. Wow.

2326
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 3: So all of that I can totally understand, except for

2327
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 3: the Taylor Swift part. Like I understand why, like I

2328
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 3: said to you, Fred, you admitted five minutes into the show,

2329
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 3: why you will not be rooting for Kansas City. I

2330
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 3: think it makes perfect sense. Yeah, can someone explain to

2331
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 3: me how Taylor Swift is drawing a hundred million eyeballs?

2332
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 2: We get one hundred million anyway.

2333
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 3: So what are they saying all the time about tailor

2334
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:41,480
Speaker 3: the Taylor.

2335
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 2: Swift new fans to the NFL?

2336
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:44,640
Speaker 3: In what demographic?

2337
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:45,799
Speaker 2: Young women?

2338
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 3: And it's increasing by what three hundred percent like or

2339
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 3: something ridiculous like that. So does that mean like they

2340
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 3: had sixty five girls watch and they used to only

2341
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 3: have like twenty, Like, sirely, what do you think the

2342
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 3: numbers are for the demographic of like thirteen to twenty

2343
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 3: one year old females that are watching the NFL?

2344
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 2: Whatever it was, it's three hundred percent more.

2345
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 3: It's more. I know it's more, but it's not. We're

2346
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 3: not talking about one hundred million people are watching the

2347
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 3: game so they can see that sixteen seconds worth of

2348
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 3: a montage of shots to Taylor Swift? Am I wrong

2349
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 3: about that? I miss? Like, do I misunderstand? I need

2350
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 3: to dad only.

2351
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:32,919
Speaker 5: The numbers that all the Chiefs games do crazy numbers

2352
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 5: and the other games are just kind of mad. I

2353
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 5: mean I thought the numbers were kind of down, at

2354
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 5: least for the divisional route. I don't know they were

2355
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 5: what the conference numbers were, but they were And like

2356
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 5: a shoke said that to us, like the playoff ratings

2357
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 5: have been down. Yeah, the show because one of our

2358
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 5: directors of content here for the Patriots, he like these numbers,

2359
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 5: like if it was all about Taylor Swift, right, it'd

2360
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 5: be concrete, like like the Chiefs would have this number

2361
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 5: and everybody else would get this right. I have no

2362
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 5: doubt that there is more interest for young females because

2363
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 5: of her. I mean, she is probably the most powerful

2364
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,640
Speaker 5: entity right now in the world, right, I mean, I

2365
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 5: don't think that's much of a stretch. But to tell

2366
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 5: me that it's and.

2367
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 4: Is it sustainable? The NFL really was doing? What are

2368
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:18,759
Speaker 4: they chasing?

2369
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 3: I mean, are you just only like they break up

2370
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 3: and then think about.

2371
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 2: How short sighted it would be? And of course I

2372
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 2: don't believe this, but let's just say they were rigging

2373
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 2: it for the Chiefs. Okay, so what happens when Kelsey

2374
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift leave? Now you've alienated fans like that

2375
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 2: who are pissed off at the league which died away.

2376
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, I heard my buddy Jim Murray

2377
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 3: on my show yesterday has this whole thing like he's

2378
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 3: one of these guys the world is rigged. So he

2379
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 3: has the whole thing. You know how this is going

2380
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 3: to end. The Chiefs are going to win the game.

2381
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey is going to propose to Taylor Swift after

2382
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 3: the game, and bro, I'm out. He's going to be tire.

2383
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:02,679
Speaker 3: So now what do you do if you're the NFL

2384
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 3: right now you've lost that three hundred percent bump.

2385
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Which you have to rig his life and say you

2386
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 2: can't do it, you can't belave Well, I got better?

2387
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 5: And what if what if he cheats on her and

2388
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 5: gets caught and it's a huge falling out and then

2389
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, all the Swift right not aren't

2390
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 5: just pissy retired, They're like.

2391
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 3: It's our NFL.

2392
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 4: Right at the NFL.

2393
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 3: Ball boy caught the NFL because those those mean nasty

2394
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 3: football players did this to Taylor Swift, and I didn't mean.

2395
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 2: While every guy that she's ever gone out to her.

2396
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 2: But that's beside the point.

2397
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 3: She did it. Wow, But there's a lot of songs.

2398
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 2: She has a lot of songs about that she does.

2399
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm here for that.

2400
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 4: Well, she's said that she was the problem.

2401
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 3: It's her high Hi, it's me.

2402
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Camel and Georgia says Mike, like Taylor shift the minority

2403
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 2: catchy tunes.

2404
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 3: No, I mean forget the catchy tune part like it does.

2405
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 10: Her.

2406
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:57,839
Speaker 3: I respect tell.

2407
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 2: A swift away, I respect the chiefs.

2408
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 3: But why does it bother you? Let the show her

2409
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 3: in the book.

2410
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

2411
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I picked over his wife. I'm glad.

2412
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 5: I'm happy to see Taylor Swift. I'm glad that Mahomes's

2413
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 5: wife has been pushed out of this mode.

2414
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 2: That's kind of you.

2415
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 3: That's a I don't think he's there.

2416
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 2: That's been a good subproduct of all of this is

2417
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 2: that she's been She's got three kids. He's a mom now,

2418
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 2: Golden ray h Kamel and Georgia has three points one,

2419
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 2: he says. Mike Reese is posting that Brian Belichick will

2420
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 2: be moving on from the Patriots. When you guys think

2421
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 2: about that will replace him. I didn't see that either.

2422
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. That's new. Yeah, well, Mike had

2423
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 3: a whole breakdown of potential position coaches for those guys

2424
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 3: that we didn't know where they fit. Maybe one of

2425
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 3: those guys is of safety.

2426
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 4: That's possible.

2427
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,639
Speaker 3: Maybe you just have a defensive backs coach.

2428
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 2: Visited? Has he taken a picture of your living No?

2429
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:52,919
Speaker 2: Penn State, Penn State.

2430
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 3: Penn State. He was on a visit to Penn State

2431
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 3: two years ago. Actually they came and saw him. He

2432
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 3: went on a visit there.

2433
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 2: Okay, violation, come to your house.

2434
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Bill hasn't been by. I told you that

2435
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 3: story though, Like I wanted to, like if we were

2436
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 3: going on on the toys now, can you tell Paul here? Yeah?

2437
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 3: See what he says.

2438
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 4: So busy.

2439
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 2: Also, what do you guys think of the Doug Kaide

2440
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 2: report of Mike Rabel and Terrell Williams running the same

2441
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:19,839
Speaker 2: defense they ran in Tennessee.

2442
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, talked a little bit about that on the front

2443
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 5: and Evan Evan too. Evan had a really good film

2444
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 5: breakdown on it. It's it's interesting. I mean, it just

2445
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 5: makes you wonder if that the whole big two gappers

2446
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 5: up front. It I mean, it really changes how I'm

2447
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 5: approaching the off season of the kind of players you're considering.

2448
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's you can now And I think that

2449
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 5: this might feed into Christian Barmore better. I think he

2450
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 5: might be the offense.

2451
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my version of fast go get him, Like,

2452
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:48,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to play the the you know, the

2453
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 3: the two gap two hundred and sixty pounds inside linebackers

2454
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 3: taking on guards and you know, we've got to stop

2455
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 3: the run. I don't want to play that way anymore.

2456
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 3: And that's that's the version of my offense.

2457
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the big question for me, is is Juwan

2458
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,520
Speaker 5: Bentley and Julanni Tovai as big off the ball linebackers,

2459
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 5: do they fit anymore?

2460
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 4: Is it time to.

2461
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 5: Really make the move to the guys that people have

2462
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 5: been pounding the table for every draft, the Devin Lloyd's

2463
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 5: of the world.

2464
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 4: You know, you get those mobile.

2465
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 5: Inside sideline to sideline linebackers, you know. I mean, I

2466
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 5: gotta think it's hard to get rid of Jawan Bentley.

2467
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 5: I think he's a leader and I think he can

2468
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 5: kind of fit anyway. But the truth is he's about

2469
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 5: twenty to thirty pounds too heavy for what they usually had.

2470
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 3: Playing on the other problem is they had no depth

2471
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 3: at all at that position last year.

2472
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and they still don't.

2473
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 2: And I mean they were cobbling it together and even like.

2474
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 4: You know, kind of adjusting.

2475
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 5: You know, I keep my little nerd depth chart on

2476
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 5: my on my sheet that I do and even just

2477
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 5: adjusting it, It's like, all right, I guess I can

2478
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 5: talk myself into key on White playing strong side defensive end.

2479
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 4: I guess.

2480
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think he's great or proven at it,

2481
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 5: but I don't know who's playing the weak side. I mean,

2482
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 5: you know, you need a guy who can get around

2483
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 5: the corner on that weak side. That guy doesn't exist

2484
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,679
Speaker 5: on the rust right now. That's why I abdual Carter

2485
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 5: would be so appealings he could step in and do.

2486
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 2: If you have him going number one right now, I

2487
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 2: to kiss him goodbye.

2488
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,600
Speaker 3: He's not He's not coming here. Mike, Mike, Mike's had

2489
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 3: an I.

2490
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 2: Know, I'm not gonna allow myself to get a final question,

2491
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 2: what coaches do you think are getting in the Hall

2492
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 2: of Fame? I have Bill Belichick Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid,

2493
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll, and Sean Payton.

2494
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 3: The only one I would say I'm on the fence

2495
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 3: about is Peyton. You think all the those other guys

2496
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 3: I think are locks?

2497
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 2: No question, me too, locks?

2498
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:27,720
Speaker 1: Locks.

2499
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know Tomlin. Should he be a lock?

2500
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 12: Yeah?

2501
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 3: Probably?

2502
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've lowered the bar.

2503
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:37,799
Speaker 3: Two titles.

2504
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 4: Not enough.

2505
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't even really think Pete Carroll

2506
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 2: should be a lock.

2507
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 4: Okay, you know that's interesting.

2508
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,879
Speaker 2: I think I think Andy Reid and Bill Belichick are locks.

2509
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:50,759
Speaker 2: The other ones are up for debate.

2510
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I hear you out.

2511
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 5: I'll hear you out on that one.

2512
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm ok yeah, I'm okay. You know me, I'm

2513
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 3: a small Hall guy.

2514
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 5: Me too, small Hall small Kenned, New Jersey.

2515
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 2: I'll be listening later. Sorry if this was brought up,

2516
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 2: but I thought there were some similarities to the scoring

2517
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 2: in the Chiefs Bills game and Super Bowl thirty eight

2518
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 2: Patriots Panthers. Both had the final score thirty two to

2519
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 2: twenty nine on a fourth quarterfield goal. Both had the

2520
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 2: losing team missing two point conversions and the winning team

2521
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 2: getting one. And that's the three points, right, there.

2522
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 3: Likely it would have been thirty one to thirty one

2523
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 3: if everybody just kicked extra points.

2524
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 2: Also, both of the losing team's quarterbacks first name started

2525
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 2: with the letter J.

2526
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 3: That's doing that. But the comparisons to that game I've

2527
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 3: seen interesting.

2528
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 4: I didn't see any of that.

2529
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if if the Bills just kicked the first

2530
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 3: one and made it twenty one to seventeen, then you know,

2531
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 3: when they scored after that, it's twenty four to twenty one,

2532
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,719
Speaker 3: you're not going for two then you're making it three.

2533
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 3: So now it's twenty four to twenty one, the Chiefs score,

2534
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 3: they're not going for two to make it twenty nine.

2535
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight twenty four, you know, and when the

2536
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 3: Bills scored, it's thirty one twenty eight. The Chiefs kick

2537
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 3: a field goal at the end to tie the game

2538
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:13,759
Speaker 3: instead of putting them ahead. Yep, he's right. The email

2539
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 3: is absolutely right. It's very similar to the Carolina game

2540
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 3: where they went for two, didn't get it. Then you

2541
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 3: have to go for two the next time because you're

2542
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 3: only up one. You're trying to make it three. The

2543
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 3: Patriots at the same time had to go for two

2544
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 3: to try to make it a three point game. They

2545
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 3: got it, so it's two you get and to the

2546
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 3: other team doesn't get.

2547
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 5: Is it too basic to just say don't go for

2548
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 5: two point conversions in the first half.

2549
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 3: I just think it's don't chase points until you have

2550
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 3: to right.

2551
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 5: The first half the really, I mean, maybe there's a chance.

2552
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 3: But again I heard all the analytics guys tell you, well,

2553
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 3: it makes sense. You get it at the one yard line.

2554
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 3: You want to get it to within three like it's

2555
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 3: the second quarter. Same thing with the Commanders fourteen twelve.

2556
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 3: There's no need to go for two then you know

2557
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 3: what you need. Did you see people on Twitter? They

2558
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 3: were doing that, not not like they would sydcast whatnot.

2559
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 3: This is good now they know what they need.

2560
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 2: Adam and Louisiana, my wife who is twenty seven, loves

2561
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and abhorse football. But she started watching the

2562
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,799
Speaker 2: Chiefs games and the Chiefs games only to see Taylor.

2563
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 2: She wants to see what she's wearing, who she's sitting

2564
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 2: next to, how she celebrates. It's the only reason she watches.

2565
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: But the question is when she's gone, well she still.

2566
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 3: Watch right Number one? Number two is are there one

2567
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,600
Speaker 3: hundred million of them, right, I doubt that this is

2568
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 3: what I'm pushing back on. I don't believe that that

2569
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 3: number of individual is large at all.

2570
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let's put it. How many Taylor Swift

2571
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 2: fans are there out? Oh?

2572
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 3: That I believe is as big as they say it.

2573
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 2: So if you know Taylor Swift is going to be

2574
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 2: on at six o'clock on Sunday afternoon, but.

2575
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 3: You're don't tuning in, you don't know, you don't know

2576
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 3: she's gonna be on at six o'clock, She's gonna be

2577
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 3: on periodically during the game, right for fifteen second?

2578
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 2: Is that all it takes for them?

2579
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 3: If it is, I'm not I'm not disputing that there

2580
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 3: are people that do this. Yeah, I'm disputing that there's

2581
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 3: a large enough number to impact the rating.

2582
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 2: Of the Super Bowl.

2583
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 5: Right, it's a long three and a half hours if

2584
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 5: you're waiting for fifteen seconds for shows.

2585
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 3: Everybody watches the Super Bowl. I used to say, my

2586
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 3: late great aunts, my aunt Camella, my auntie Fina, who

2587
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,719
Speaker 3: couldn't spell football, they watched the super Bowl.

2588
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 2: They have time show.

2589
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 3: They just watched because it's what else are you going

2590
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 3: to do? It's the event it's social. Like everybody watched

2591
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I know that the it always works

2592
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 3: out that it's like a fifty rating, Like it's like

2593
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 3: half and half. Like I always like, do you have

2594
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 3: you ever met anybody other than Jeff in California who

2595
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 3: doesn't watch the Super Bowl?

2596
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 10: Now?

2597
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 3: Like, and I'm being this is a legitimate question, do

2598
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 3: you know anybody in your life?

2599
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 2: Well, Paul might, I mean Mike might go to an

2600
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 2: HL game that day.

2601
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 3: That's but like Mike, So when you were in like

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01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 3: California and you're in the entertainment industry, you know adjacent.

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01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 4: No, I was an entertainment istry.

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01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 3: It's a rat So maybe there's people there that don't

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01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 3: care about the NFL, don't care about sports in general.

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01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 3: Did you know anybody in your life that wasn't interested

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01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 3: in watching the Super Now? I don't care if they

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01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 3: cared who won. No, but not I'm not watching that.

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01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 3: How could you watch that?

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01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't know. I never met anybody who

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01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 3: doesn't watch the Super Bowl.

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01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 5: I've gone to some of my out there, went to

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01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 5: some of the most passionate super Bowl parties of my life,

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01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 5: certainly the one right after Super Bowl forty I guess

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01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 5: it would have been with some bunch of Seahawks fans.

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01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 5: So there was Seahawks with Steelers, and yeah, that everybody, everybody, everybody.

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01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 2: I know some guys that they don't like football, but

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01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 2: they go to a party every year and it's called

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01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl Party and they have the game on.

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01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 2: But the theme of the party is everyone brings a

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01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 2: different soup and so oh, I get it, but they

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01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 2: have the game on. They still have the game on.

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01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 3: Right, But that that's kind of like my point. I

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01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 3: know people that don't care about sports, Like I'm not

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01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 3: that closed minded that I only associate with people that

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01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 3: like minded with me. But I don't know anybody that

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01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 3: doesn't like sports to the extent that they wouldn't have

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01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl on Sunday.

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01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 2: When you guys watched. Do you watch all the pregame stuff?

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01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:17,520
Speaker 9: No?

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01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 3: I do. I usually have a party.

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01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing. I want to see every interview.

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01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 2: I want to see every piece that they do. I

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01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 2: want to see all there.

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01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 3: You make fun of me a lot for this, and

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01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 3: I have so little interest in an interview with anybody

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01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 3: that I could not possibly watch that that drivel, Like

2639
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 3: there's nothing better than you know, what do you need

2640
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 3: to do in the second half? Like I clicked on

2641
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 3: you talked about the Celtics earlier. We're bringing a full circle.

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01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 3: They lost the game last night, so they have On

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01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 3: NBC Sports Boston, Abby Chin does a quick little interview

2644
01:56:55,520 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 3: with not the Press comments with Joe Missoula and so, Joe,

2645
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 3: what went wrong?

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01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 9: You know?

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01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 3: Fourth quarter? Couldn't close it up? He put it all

2648
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 3: on him, He said, this one's on me. I did

2649
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,959
Speaker 3: no follow up. What did you do? What matchups? What matchups?

2650
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 3: I had the wrong matchups. I did nothing. So even

2651
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 3: on the off chance that you get something interesting, which

2652
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 3: I thought Missoula's answer answer was interesting, you still don't

2653
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 3: get anything like player interviews. Worst ever, I I don't know.

2654
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 3: I'm in the minority. I know everybody else like if

2655
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 3: a player comes on and talks to you know, like

2656
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 3: on my shows, and then like, oh, did you hear

2657
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 3: you know this guy? Like no, no, I openly clicked

2658
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 3: the channel when I hear a player on a show.

2659
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 2: One more quick call. Dan's in Connecticut. What's up, Dan?

2660
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to watch the Super Bowl?

2661
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 2: Dan? All right? I tried to get you in Uh,

2662
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 2: I just got this is up breaking news. Drake May

2663
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 2: is a pro bowler, just announced.

2664
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 3: So now how do you take that? Mike? I had

2665
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 3: heard this was a possibility earlier today. I didn't know

2666
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:13,920
Speaker 3: what was happening. I heard it was a possibility. Do

2667
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 3: you at all have any Vietnam flashback to the last

2668
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 3: seventh alternate that was named for thee No. I don't

2669
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 3: think Drake May is cool that he didn't do anything.

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01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 5: I mean, the only way I look at it is

2671
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 5: I think it's a good opportunity for him. I don't know,

2672
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 5: puffing my chest out, I don't.

2673
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 2: Know if he's right.

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01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 3: He's been announced, so he doesn't have to go, right,

2675
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:37,200
Speaker 3: And my guess is that he's going because everybody else

2676
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 3: said no. But that was just like my My question

2677
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:46,080
Speaker 3: was it's the comp to mac Jones, like the assistant

2678
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 3: the assistant regional manager.

2679
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, anyway, good for Drake May.

2680
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 3: So now you have to watch next week.

2681
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 2: I might have to send somebody down there if he's

2682
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:57,400
Speaker 2: going to be there. We got to cover it.

2683
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 5: This is late though I thought it was already all

2684
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:02,800
Speaker 5: set Rick is going according to a.

2685
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 2: Shoke, Okay, so now we gotta all right, Well, that's

2686
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 2: gonna be it for this edition Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be

2687
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 2: back on Thursday with more talk. We'll get some info

2688
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 2: from the senior boat from Evan Lazar.

2689
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 3: Yes, and make should be good stuff coming.

2690
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll talk to you then.

2691
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:29,680
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