1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,279 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: With on our radio. It's almost his podcast. We're here 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: today with you and we're breaking down a TikTok phenomenon 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: that is happening right now and it's closely related to 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation. We're very excited today because we have one 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: of our favorite people joining us for this deep dive now, 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: Zachary Realities with us. Hello, Hey, I want to start 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: this with this. Ayaka has came out and said, hey, 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: she feels like there's been a lot of victim shaming 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: going on as she posts these videos on TikTok. We're 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: going to dive into what these videos are we call it, 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: and she's calling it the Danish deception. I'll be honest, 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: I have questions for Anyaika. I think she is definitely 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: the victim here. This is awful, this is not good. 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: A lot of bad stuff happened to her. But I 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: do have questions that if she was here with us 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: and we did ask her to participate and hopefully at 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: some point she does, I would be asking her straight 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: to her face. But our attempt today is to break 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 2: down this wild story and the best way we know how, 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: not only in support of her, but also wanting to 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: ask the questions of how does this happen and how 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: does it happen for so long? Zachary and Ashley, are 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: you ready to talk about the Danish Deception? 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: Yes, let's talk about the Dnnis deception, which is very 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 3: similar to stories that have became popular in the past 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: few years. Who the F Did I Marry? On TikTok 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: by Reesa Tisa that was her true life story and 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: the Tindler Swindler on Netflix. 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 2: Zachary, you're familiar with this story. You've broken it down 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: a multiple times. Do you mind just kind of walking 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: us through your understanding of kind of the base level 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: maybe part one of Anyaika's video that she posted on TikTok. 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, basically, she met this guy in Croatia and 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: she was smitten by him, and he really liked her, 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 4: and it seems like he loved bombed her. So he 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 4: was inviting her on trips pretty quickly, and she started 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: to get feelings for this guy, so she fell in 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 4: love with him, and basically she later found out that 40 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: he was a gambler, that he was lying, he was 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: borrowing money from her, So she fell in love with 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: someone who ended up being a con artist. So that's 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: basically like the story. 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: She doesn't just fall in love quickly. She ends up 45 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: getting married to him very quickly. Do we know why 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: she just courthouse? Oh the green card. The girl was scammed. 47 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 4: I mean there was one point that like her address 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: was on his house and like he was really taking 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 4: advantage of her. 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: The story gets wild, you said, did a great job 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: at kind of setting this scene for us. As you mentioned, 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: Anyaka goes with a friend to quote Croatia where she 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: meets this dude and he's an attractive fellaw. I mean, 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: that guy is a very handsome man. He's like, what 55 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: six foot four, he's muscular, and they're making eyes there 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: in Croatia and they get flirty. But the electricity, like 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: the chemistry is off the charts for the two of 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: them at the beginning and really at the beginning of 59 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: this relationship. It's a very normal relationship outside of the 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: fact that it's very long distance, right. 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, But there's a lot of trips. 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 4: I mean the first like six months, it seems like 63 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: they're traveling everywhere all the time. And what's interesting is 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 4: in the beginning he was paying for these trips and 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: then eventually she started paying for the trips, and she 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 4: started loaning him money. And I think that's why everyone 67 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: is so shocked, is because she who loans someone money 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: that often, like all the time, and like, how could 69 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: her family and friends loan hand money and not even 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: tell her. 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so he tells her that he makes at 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: least one hundred thousand a year. To me, the sirens 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: would be going off if this man who's making four 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: hundred thousand a year is asking me for money. 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 5: Who asks like a grown man for money? 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: Well he he also mentioned he's a part of royal lineage. Yeah. 77 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: He also at the beginning of this relationship just kind 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: of in passing mentions that he participated in the Olympics 79 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: and handball. So he is setting the scene here to 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: be this kind of one of a kind I've got 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: it all catch that so many people you know would 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: be attracted to. I can see where her initial reaction is, 83 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I found my dream partner. And I 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: want to pause here and ask you both your opinion, 85 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: because he does pay for these initial trips, and they're 86 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: not inexpensive trips. She mentions the glamour and the luxury 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: and where they're staying during these trips. I hear that, 88 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: and I think he is so manipulative that he is 89 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: trying to also set the scene and say, I am 90 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: this wealthy guy and this is what I can do 91 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: for you. Or do you think he at the beginning 92 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: had good intentions. 93 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: I think that he had bad intentions the entire time. 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 5: Me too. 95 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: Apparently he just married her right off the bat for 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: a green guard, and I don't even know that he 97 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: wanted to even live in the US. He seems very 98 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: entrenched in whatever frauds he's doing in Europe, but I 99 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: think he wanted to bring his frauds over here just 100 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: to have another demographic. 101 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: Before we get to the marriage, there is a lot 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: of things that happened in between there. She mentions that 103 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: on a date with him, and I think this is 104 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: just a wild footnote that feels like a big deal. 105 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: She passes out after a dinner, right and she falls 106 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: down after a dinner and is unconscious at the dinner, 107 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: wakes up and he says that she's been having seizures. 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: She's peede herself. She finds herself in the hospital and 109 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: he is there beside her the whole time. Which is 110 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: I think where she first mentions that she loves him, 111 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: that she's falling in love with him at the hospital 112 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: after this very dramatic event. Now do we know anything 113 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: more about this event because it is a it's a 114 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: big deal, especially if this hasn't happened to her very often. 115 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: Right, I mean, that's what everyone was saying. 116 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 4: It was like, your body is telling you not to go, 117 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 4: And isn't that something that happens on like The Bachelor. 118 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: I remember that one girl got sick and she couldn't 119 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: go on her one on one day because she was 120 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: like throwing up or something. 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 5: I don't know who that was. 122 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: Am I being too conspiratorial and thinking that it's weird 123 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: that she ends up having a sees you're bleeding from 124 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: her head and then like and having a severe concussion 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: after dinner with him, as like I think, do I 126 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: think that possibly he puts something in something I don't know? 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the question that I wanted to ask, Okay, 128 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: and I think again, we're coming at this at kind 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: of guessing and you know, throwing out these ideas. But 130 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: when she mentions that she passes out at dinner and 131 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: then we now have the hindsight of seeing who this 132 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: man is. I go and seizures are not a part 133 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: of her life. This has never happened again, all these things. 134 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, what was put in her drink? Was my 135 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: if a friend called me and said, I went on 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: a date last night all of a sudden stood up 137 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: from dinner, passed out and had seizures, And I'm like, 138 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: you don't seem to be a person that's told me 139 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: about your seizures before, Like I've never had them. I'd 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: be like, you got to get out of there, like 141 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: something's bad, Like so you got to get check, go 142 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: to the doctor and see what's in your drink? 143 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: Literally, I mean, oh, I just remembered it was Beverly 144 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: from Grant season. She like got sick, remember you guys. 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: You guys probably interviewed her. But I think that maybe 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: she saw that as like wow, like I was at 147 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: my lowest and he took care of me, like he 148 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 4: stepped up for me. He took care of me in 149 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 4: the hospital and I was, you know, in another country. 150 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: So I think she was just very manipulated by this guy. 151 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: And I think the big thing that he had that 152 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: intentions is because she later found out that he had 153 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 4: another girlfriend. Four months into their relationship when she finally 154 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: realized who he was. That's when she reached out to 155 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: his ex, his sister, and found out all of the 156 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: red flags that she has been ignoring the whole time. 157 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: But are they they're married at this point. 158 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: Now they're divorced. They got divorced, which is great that 159 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: it happened so fast. 160 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: But she's not finding this out until the divorce. 161 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 4: Well, she found out once she found out that he 162 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: was a con man, and she started looking into things 163 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 4: once once once he broke up with her. And that's 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 4: also crazy, is he was the one that broke up 165 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 4: with her. It wasn't the other way around. 166 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 5: So she was just wanting to go a lot anymore. 167 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: She was just so out of it, like she was 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: so in love and could not think clearly. 169 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: So the scene is now set. They meet in Croatia, 170 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: they go on these dates. Let's just kind of that. 171 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: There's like nineteen to twenty six. I forget how many 172 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: TikTok videos there are of this. They go on all 173 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: these dates. She's falling in love, he's taking care of her. 174 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, when they first met, he was still 175 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: with his girlfriend. That this was like he was still 176 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: tied up. So I do think, to answer my first question, 177 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: there was bad intentions maybe from the beginning, because well, 178 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: he entered into the relationship while still in a relationship, 179 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: which I just think for most people, unless that's disgusted, 180 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: is not an acceptable thing. 181 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 5: To do. 182 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: Then. And I don't want to use the word brilliance, 183 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: but in like the most greedy evil brilliance somebody can 184 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: come up with. He starts slowly asking for money and 185 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: having all these excuses on why he needs the money, 186 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: and so they're in relationship now. Anyaka thinks that she 187 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: has met her prince Charming, that he's from royal lineage, 188 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: that he's an Olympian, that he's very wealthy, and then 189 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: he starts saying, you know, talking about all these problems 190 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: that he has on why he needs money. One of 191 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: the excuses is that the irs has his money tied 192 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: up due to some confusion. The other one is that 193 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: there is a really good investment in a business that 194 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: he needs to make, but he doesn't have the cash 195 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: available to do that. Another one is that his parents 196 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: will no longer kind of release their trust funds to 197 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: him for this trip that he wants to take with 198 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: her because they need to meet her first, and so 199 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: he asked for her to pay for certain things for 200 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 2: this trip. There's all these excuses that he starts to 201 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: come up with, and slowly but surely, as you mentioned, Zachary, 202 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: she starts sending him money and upwards of at the beginning, 203 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: I think like five thousand dollars at a time. 204 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot of three k is a lot 205 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 5: of ten k's. 206 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 4: And I think that she wanted to contry because it 207 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: seemed like she got a lot of things for free. 208 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 4: And I think she wanted to prove to this man 209 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: that she really loves him in that marriage. To her, 210 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: this relationship is an equal partnership. So I think she 211 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: originally was just like manipulated by him, and she wanted 212 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: to help him out. She does pretty well on her own, 213 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: she's a real estate agent. But I think after a 214 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 4: few times, it's just too fishy and there's too much, 215 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: Like when do you get tired of like all this 216 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: back and forth and all the lies and why nothing 217 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 4: ever makes sense. I kind of feel like Anyaika, you know, 218 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 4: she should be mad at herself for just like not 219 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 4: seeing the signs clearer. And I wish that her family 220 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 4: stepped in more when they found out that they were 221 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 4: being asked. 222 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 223 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,239 Speaker 6: I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte? 224 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 6: The most anticipated guest from season three is here the 225 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 6: Tray to My Charlotte. Kyle mcglachlin joins me to relive 226 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,119 Speaker 6: all of the magical Tray in Charlotte moments. He reveals 227 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby. 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? 229 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: I was literally I was like, this doesn't track for 230 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: me at all. 231 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 6: When he found out Trey's shortcomings, I'm kind. 232 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 7: Of excited to talk about. 233 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: You know. 234 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: I think he's he's a guy spends time in Central Park. 235 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: You know, he's probably don't need to be some surgery. 236 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 3: Stuff, you know. 237 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on, 238 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: and they were like yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, and they said, 239 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: but he's impotent, and I was like, he's impotent. 240 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 6: And why he chose not to return to it? 241 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 5: Just like that? 242 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 6: They came and presented an idea and I was like, 243 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: I get I see it. 244 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 7: It's so kind of a one joke idea. 245 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 6: You don't want to miss this, Listen to Are You 246 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 6: a Charlotte on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 247 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 6: you get your podcasts. 248 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: I had a friend who was in a sort of 249 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: simpler ish relationship. She ended up finding out the end 250 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: of like over a two year relationship from his parents 251 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: that he was over one hundred thousand in debt after 252 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: she paid for a number of things like getting his 253 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: car out of the impound and paying for so much 254 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: of their lives. And she always knew it was suspicious. 255 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: She was always trying to defend our like highbrow, you know, 256 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: I was like, eh, eh, and I think and she 257 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: kind of admits that she was just with him because 258 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: she was kind of like not really wanting to be single, 259 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: and I was afraid of what her life would look 260 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: like like as like a thirty something single And I 261 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: just feel like that's probably I mean, I don't know. 262 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: On Yek's obviously beautiful. She can have anybody. So is 263 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: my friend who had the same situation. There's no way 264 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: she didn't actually see what was going on and thinking 265 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: it was suspect. It's just a matter of choosing to like, 266 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: do I want to continue to be in this comfortable 267 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: ish relationship, you know, comfortable relationship with this guy that 268 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: I find obviously very attractive, or do I want to 269 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: be with you know? Or do I want to be single? 270 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're raising questions that are worth asking, 271 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: And especially with Anyeka's background, she's very intelligent. She's a 272 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: real estate agent in Dallas. She's used to background checks 273 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: and financial checks. She understands like how finance works and 274 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: how personal finance works, and how loans work. Now there 275 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: is the level where international law is different than our 276 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: domestic law here in the United States, and so there 277 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: is probably the ability for a while to talk about 278 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: how banks are unwilling to loan money to him and 279 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: his country. Now that is not true. In fact, some 280 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: of the most successful banks are Danish banks. But maybe 281 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: there was that kind of back and forth that he's 282 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: able to play into. I think this is a good 283 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: moment for us to pause, though, and recognize the power 284 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: attraction and love at the time can play into blinding 285 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: us from some very clear things that are right in 286 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: front of us. I think, Zach, you brought up the 287 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: best question. Maybe it was you, Ashley, I forget who 288 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: said it. Where was her family and friends at during 289 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: this well. 290 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: They were actually so into him. Whenever they would meet him, 291 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: she said that they loved him, the parents especially. 292 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: She also kept it from them. She kept a few 293 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: things from them. Here's a big point in this story. So, 294 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: just a few months into their dating, they decide to 295 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,359 Speaker 2: get married without telling anybody else. They do a courthouse 296 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: wedding so that he can start the process of getting 297 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: getting an immigration attorney to walk him through getting citizenship 298 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: here in the United States. And so, because of her 299 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: family and it being a traditional Nigerian family, she chooses that, yes, 300 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: this is the best option. Let's get married, Let's make 301 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: it a fish. Let's start this process and then when 302 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: we're ready, because goodness gracious, we both know we're going 303 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: to marry each other. You actually propose we could do 304 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: a white dress wedding. Everything's good, but let's at least 305 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: do the semantics of getting married legally first so that 306 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: process can start. 307 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, And you know it's bad when like you 308 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: don't want to tell anybody you're doing something, that's when 309 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: you know you shouldn't be doing it, because if you 310 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: tell someone you're gonna get married, someone's going to tell 311 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: you no. 312 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 5: So that's why. 313 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 4: She probably kept it a secret, and I am glad 314 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 4: that she got divorced from him pretty easily because the 315 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: divorce could sometimes take years, right Like, it seems like 316 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: she was able to get it done and she didn't 317 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: start talking about it online until after the divorce was finalized, 318 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 4: which I think was interesting and the most The biggest 319 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: question I have is like, what does he think of 320 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 4: the Datish Deception? What does he think that she put 321 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: this all out online? Like has he seen the videos? 322 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: Well? 323 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: Didn't somebody mention I'm not sure if we were recording 324 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: yet that he is still off doing scams as of like. 325 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: A week ago. 326 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was in Saloum. 327 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 2: He's been spot in Tuloom. I'm sure he's familiar with 328 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: the Danish Deception. And Jaikin never releases his name during 329 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: her show or dure there. 330 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 4: But she had a couple's in a TikTok with him. 331 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: She posted him on her TikTok for years or like 332 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: a year, a bunch of couple videos. They did trends, 333 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 4: and then she deleted every single video restarted. She did 334 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 4: a really good job I think branding the series the 335 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: Danish Deception, it's so good and I think it'll be 336 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: really interesting to see if this does get picked up 337 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 4: by a network and become a documentary. 338 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: There's a few things that I want to point out. 339 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: After they got the courthouse wedding done with, he said 340 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: that he couldn't afford a ring, and she. 341 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 5: Was okay with that. 342 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: Again, like, is she not question why did he even 343 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: say that he came for money or was like royal 344 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: or anything. If he just continuously proves that he doesn't 345 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: have any liquidity, then he says that the Irs called him, 346 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: and so is this the American Irs? He owes three 347 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in taxes and his dad 348 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: owes twelve million. 349 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming that would be the Danish Irs because 350 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: of their family business. You know, I think we've probably 351 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: all of us are old enough and have walked through 352 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: life long enough to recognize and see that insecurities oftentimes 353 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: bring about lying in people, right. I mean, it's getting 354 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: in the habit of lying, seeing the attention that you 355 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: can get from lying. You can talk about how you're 356 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: in the Olympics and everybody wants to ask you about 357 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: it. It feels good, especially when you're insecure and you're not 358 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: getting that attention from other places. It really sounds like 359 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: he started lying from the very start and couldn't get himself. 360 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if he actually ever wanted to. Typically 361 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: what happens is somebody trying these to get themselves out 362 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: of the hole of the lies they dug and told. 363 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like he ever tried to. He was 364 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: just continued to dig more and more lies to continue 365 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: to get more and more money. Which is interesting that 366 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: he is the one that at the end called this 367 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: whole thing off and asked her to the divorce because 368 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: he might have gotten what he wanted. The big reason here, 369 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: if any of us are asking where did this money go? 370 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: There was over I think the number is three hundred 371 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: thousand dollars on Yeka for like is trying to. I 372 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: think it's been hard because of family and friends of 373 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: hers and also herself. But about three hundred thousand dollars, 374 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: let's assume, based on her estimates that are missing and 375 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: were given to this guy, three hundred thousand dollars, Ladies 376 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: and gentlemen, that's a lot of freaking money. 377 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: Let's talk about how he was hiding the money that 378 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: her family was giving him. He would say things like, 379 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: I'm building a house. This is his secret, just get 380 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 3: can you if you could give me three hundred I 381 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: thout three thousand just for like a down payment on 382 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 3: land a lot or blah blah blah blah, and that 383 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 3: is crazy And she ends up telling them I'm leaving 384 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: this guy and they're like, uh, he took money for 385 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 3: me and has it reimbursed me before yet? 386 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 387 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 4: He told her sister like, can you lend me some 388 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 4: money so I can buy a yaka like this present 389 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: or this car. 390 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: I'd be like, no, she doesn't need it. You can't 391 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: pay for it, then no. 392 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is like if someone asks 393 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: me for money, like I'm literally gonna say no, Like 394 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: ask someone else. I don't loan out money to people like. 395 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: I just don't understand how she could constantly loan out 396 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: money to this guy or anyone like. 397 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 5: It just doesn't make sense to me. 398 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: I personally have And this was early on in this 399 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: whole thing, uh like my my, I guess this whole 400 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 2: thing meaning my life, where one of my mentors told me, hey, 401 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: don't loan money out to people like there may be 402 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: helped support them whatever, but if you need to just 403 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: pay for something, do it. Don't loan the money out 404 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: because it's two hard a relationship, and it also restricts 405 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: how much you're going to be giving somebody, And so 406 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 2: I don't loan money. Like you said, if somebody called 407 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: me and asked for three thousand dollars, I'd say, that's crazy, buddy, Like, 408 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 2: let's sit down and talk about this. Let's figure out 409 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 2: how you know we can get this going together. But 410 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: three thousand dollars over and over and over again is wild. 411 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to take away from the fact that 412 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: Anyako was generous. Her family was very generous. I think 413 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: they had good hearts in this, and we should amplify 414 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: that he was manipulating everybody. They thought they were being 415 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 2: kind in their generosity and he took advantage of it. Yes, 416 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: should it have happened over and over again? No goodness. 417 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: If Aanyeko was here, I'd say, how in the world 418 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: did you keep letting this happen? And why in the 419 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: world did you keep saying yes to it. That's a 420 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: very fair question that I think she's probably gonna get 421 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: asked over and over. However, they were generous and she 422 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: trusted him at this point, but she soon finds out 423 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: in the course of this relationship that he has a 424 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: severe gambling addiction. Still does not put the points together 425 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: to go I've been giving him money and he is 426 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: severe gambling addiction, and he goes to Gamblers Anonymous. He gets, 427 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, the help that she asked him to get, 428 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: but she doesn't put it together yet that this money's 429 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: probably going to gambling. 430 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: She's gotta be putting it together. She just still wants 431 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: to be with him. 432 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 5: A gambler. 433 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 4: That's like a toxic disease. Could it be like doing drugs? 434 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 4: Like everyone has their vice, Like I can totally see 435 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 4: why a gambler would get addicted and then they want 436 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: to keep gambling because then they want to be like, 437 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: now I can make the money back that I already lost. 438 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: So I get how it could be a cycle and 439 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 4: is a serious problem. 440 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's also makes sense on why at 441 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 2: some points he needs three K, in some points he 442 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: needs one hundred and twenty K. It depends on how 443 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: he feels about whatever games he's playing or betting on, 444 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: and how he thinks he can make this money back. 445 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: There's this show that just came out in the movie 446 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: that just came out in Netflix with Colin Farrell about 447 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: this thing specifically, is he is addicted to the next win, 448 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: to the bigger win, to the bigger win, to the 449 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: bigger win. And the thing with gamblers is even when 450 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 2: you win, you don't stop. That's why casinos make money. 451 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: So do you think he's going to go to jail? 452 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: I don't know how he could. 453 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: What do you do illegally not giving the irs anything, 454 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: owing them so much? 455 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: What time out? Did he ever need? Like, did Dirs 456 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: actually ever want need his money? That was fake? Oh, 457 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: that was fake. Yeah, he said it was frozen, that 458 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: his assets were frozen, that he couldn't get anything out, 459 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: and so that was a way for him to get 460 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: more money. 461 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 3: I'm being fooled. It was a way of him getting 462 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: more money for gambling. 463 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't go to jail for lying. 464 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: You don't get to go to jail for livy. I'm saying, like, 465 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't know Anyaika and her family. Did they ever 466 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: have anything in writing, even on a piece of paper 467 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: saying that he was going to pay us back? Probably 468 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: not this money. Unfortunately, as bad as this is, I'm 469 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: not saying he shouldn't go to jail, like or that 470 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: he should you know that, goodness, this guy should not 471 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: be walking free. I'm just saying that I don't think 472 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: he actually did anything illegal. 473 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 5: I think he did, but we don't know what it is. 474 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: I'm sure, Okay, yeah, say at some point in his 475 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: life he has. But well, based on the information from 476 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: this story, can any of us actually say that he 477 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: did anything illegal? As much as that hurts to say. 478 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 4: I feel like he did, like I think there's something 479 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 4: in there. I mean, conning people like for years and years. 480 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: But she did say that, like he passed like the 481 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 4: background check, so that kind of like gave her some 482 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 4: reassurance that like things were moving along, especially like getting 483 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: a marriage license. 484 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the background check did show that he never participated 485 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: in the Olympics. So that is another moment where she's like, oh, 486 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: he's lying to but did he? 487 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: How did she not google him and to see my 488 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: immediately the Olympics. And he's definitely had a characters on 489 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 3: the internet if that. 490 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: Stake family heritage page, so he was so committed to 491 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 4: the life no way. 492 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 3: Apparently he also was doing like a lot of fake 493 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 3: screenshots saying like look I sent my money. I sent 494 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: the money back to your parents, and that's when she 495 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: started to really put it together. She was on a 496 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: bachelorette trip and that's when he was supposed to have 497 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: gotten the good news from the IRS that his business 498 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: account was not frozen. It actually has three hundred thousand 499 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: in it. So he's going to wire ten k to 500 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: her mom, I think for the wedding dress, to put 501 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: down a deposit on the dress, and the money still 502 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 3: hasn't hit her account after a few days, and this 503 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: is when she confronts him and she's like, so, what 504 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: has all this been a lie? And that's when she 505 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: realized that he's been sending the fake screenshots to make 506 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 3: it look like he was sending money. 507 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 5: What a sure. 508 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 8: Hi, It's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast. 509 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 8: This week, I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle 510 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 8: carteris the Andrea Zuckerman from Beverly Hills nine o two 511 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 8: on OZHO to the pod. 512 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 7: We're choosing to get real. 513 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: I applied to the networks about my age and contracts. 514 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 7: They never would have hired me if they had known 515 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 7: my age. We're choosing to be honest She looked at 516 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 7: me and she said, this business is about the mask, 517 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 7: which you have neither of, and we're choosing to get nostalgic. 518 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 8: Listen to I Choose Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 519 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 8: or wherever you get your podcasts. 520 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: Hey, it's Wilfred Ell and Sabrina Bryan. 521 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: From the podcast Magical Rewind, and we have a very 522 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: special guest on this week's episode. He's the mastermind behind 523 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: some of your favorite movies like Hocus Pocus, Newsy's The Descendants, 524 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: and of course High School Musical. Yes, it is the 525 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: one and only a living legend director Kenny or. 526 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 9: Tega sit down with Kenny to talk about his incredible 527 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 9: career and the legacy he's created with his choreography and films. 528 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: You seriously will not want to miss this one. 529 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 9: Listen to Magical Rewind on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 530 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 9: or wherever you get your podcasts. 531 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: Well, this guy is pretty good at what he does, though, 532 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: because another story came out in the midst of this 533 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: that there was a friend of his he had taken 534 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars from this person and had not 535 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 2: paid it back. I don't know about you, guys, I 536 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: never have claimed to be the most talented human in 537 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: the world. I did work in sales for a period 538 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: in my life. I couldn't think of one person that 539 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: I could convince to give me one thousand dollars, let 540 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: alone two hundred thousand dollars. That is a crazy amount 541 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: of money. And then go off and do it again 542 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: tuan Yeka and her family and her friends, and do 543 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: it even though definitely evil, not okay, but do it 544 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: successfully over and over and over again. 545 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: Well, he was probably saying, like, I have this business, 546 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 3: do you want to invest in it? And he went 547 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: to like a big wig. 548 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: It started that way. Definitely did this. You know, TikTok 549 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: has blown up, and as we mentioned, they do end 550 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: up getting in this fight over the confrontation of hey, 551 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: the money's not coming through, what's going on? And he says, 552 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: I'm over and I'm tired of all the questions. This 553 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: is done. The divorce starts, but at that point he's 554 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: already gotten what he wanted, right, he got the money, 555 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: and Anyaika goes through the divorce process and as Zachary mentioned, 556 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: she does the Danish deception on TikTok. Following the divorce's finalization. 557 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: It's blown up. Think it should be more blown up 558 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: than it is. I think this is one of the 559 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: wilder stories that we've heard in a long time, especially 560 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: coming out of Bachelor Nation. 561 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: I know, like we need to talk about the fact 562 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 4: that she was on the Bachelor, Like this is amazing 563 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: for people that don't remember, Like she was on Colton season, 564 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 4: and she had a lot of drama on the season, 565 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: like she was vibrant and fun. 566 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: Please remind us what that drama was. I remember there 567 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: was drama around here, but I don't remember what it 568 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: specifically was. 569 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: Everyone's been watching these YouTube clips from like nine years ago. 570 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 4: But basically, like Alease, this girl on the show went 571 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 4: home and Alise basically told Onyeka that there was a 572 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: conversation that Nicole wasn't on the show for the right 573 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 4: reasons and wanted opportunities to get out of Miami. And 574 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 4: then Elise got sent home at the rost ceremony. So 575 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: then Anyaka took it upon herself to tell Colton what 576 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 4: Elise said, like at the next thir day, and then 577 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: that kind of got confronted in the group. Nicole started 578 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 4: crying and they were going back and forth like neither 579 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: one of them would shut up for like two days 580 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 4: that Colton just sent both of them home. 581 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I remembering about it. 582 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: Ben knows a lease that's where he got his dog from. 583 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 5: Yeah. 584 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: And then she went to Bachelor in Paradise and she 585 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: kind of was nosy in that too. That was the 586 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 4: season with like Blake and Hannah g so like Caylin. 587 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 4: So she was kind of like in her little nose 588 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: and everything, but you know, she was harmless. 589 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 5: She didn't find love. 590 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 4: She actually sent herself home at a row ceremony and 591 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 4: just said, I don't see anyone here for me. 592 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 5: I'm going to go. 593 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: And then she also was on Coming Out Colton Colton's 594 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 4: you know Coming Out Netflix Stock series, and that's when 595 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: Colton told her that the reason she really was sent 596 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 4: home is because she was too smart in figuring out 597 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 4: that he was secretly gay, and that's why she went 598 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 4: home when she did. 599 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: Did she really figure that out? 600 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 4: She was like getting skeptical or Colton was insecure that 601 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 4: she would be the first one to kind of figure 602 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: it out. Obviously he was hiding himself. So she even 603 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 4: got flack for that too, because a lot of the 604 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 4: girls were like mad at Colton for everything that happened 605 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 4: with Cassie. But you know, she was the only one 606 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: to agree to film Coming Out Coulton because maybe other 607 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 4: people were. 608 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: Asked, well, hold up, Yes, she could have just been 609 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: like a stand in kind of to represent all the 610 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: girls in that docuseries. But if what he's saying is legit, 611 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: she has apparently pretty good intuition. 612 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 4: Exactly, and she has the background in homes right like 613 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 4: she does background checks her finance stuff. So she really 614 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure she feels like an idiot and 615 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 4: all she can do now is tell her story. I'm 616 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: sure she's gonna make money from this and hopefully, you know, 617 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: there's love coming for her in the future. 618 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: I know. I know she's mentioned that the feedback has 619 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 2: been tough because there's been this victim shaming kind of 620 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: mentality coming through. I don't look at it. I mean, 621 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: I think she's still the victim here. I'm not seeing 622 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 2: this as anything like she got to tell her story. 623 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: Her story is one that's captivating. But I do think 624 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: it's fair that her story brings up quite question of 625 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: how does this happen? Which I think she probably expected 626 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: to get, not the part of him stealing all this 627 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: money is sad and shocking, But I think for me, 628 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 2: the most interesting part is how, like, how does it 629 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: happen over and over and over again? And I don't 630 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: want that to come off as a victim shaming. I'm 631 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: not saying that she's wrong in this by any means. 632 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, how, like, how does it happen for 633 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: so long that you don't see it right? 634 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 4: And that's why everyone's mad at her, Like, the reason 635 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 4: she's getting flat is because everyone's like, you're an idiot, 636 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 4: wake up hello, Like you're too old and educated to 637 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: be ignoring these blatant red flags. So I think that's 638 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 4: why a lot of the criticism is coming. There's been 639 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 4: a lot of TikTokers making videos of recapping her story, 640 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 4: Like I feel like I've seen it a lot on 641 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 4: my algorithm the last couple of weeks, and I'm still 642 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 4: invested in it and dying to see what happens next. 643 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: I have my notifications on, So I really hope that 644 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: she gets picked up by like a docu series and 645 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 4: we can really see like the whole movie. And I 646 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: really hope we get to hear from the guy soon. 647 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 4: I don't know if we ever will, but I'm interested, 648 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 4: you know where his whereabouts are and what he's going 649 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: to do next, because this is the first time that 650 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 4: his life has maybe been blown up. He's obviously been 651 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 4: conning people for a decade, but this is the first 652 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 4: time someone's really calling him out for it. So I 653 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 4: don't know how that will affect his life. 654 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: He's an idiot in because he never saw that, Hey, 655 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: I'm dating a girl with a following m hmm. This 656 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: could backfire, like this could this could backfire. I no 657 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: longer get to do this in the secrets and the 658 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: hidden places. Yeah, you know, the world may know. 659 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 4: He had everyone He had an yaka block her his 660 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 4: ex girlfriend, like all these people from Denmark. She blocked 661 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 4: all these people on Instagram because he made her do 662 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 4: it in the beginning of their relationship. So he was 663 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 4: like really ahead of making sure that she had no 664 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 4: communication with anyone that knew his past. 665 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 3: And let's just also point out that just this month, 666 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: because we said that he was doing the scams, it 667 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: was actually with the hooker. He was spotted with a 668 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: hooker taking out cash at ATM. 669 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 5: He can only go down from here. I mean I. 670 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: Would imagine in the connected world that we're in today, 671 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: it will be very hard for him, especially if somebody 672 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: picks this up, to navigate in the world. We don't 673 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: know where the tender Swindler is these days. I mean, 674 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: I guess I could probably find out. I haven't like 675 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: investigated it, but I'm assuming that it's harder and harder 676 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: for con artists like this to navigate in the world 677 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: and to find people to take advantage of in this way. 678 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 2: Once you know, social media like this, you know gets 679 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 2: picked up. She also mentions, and I do think this 680 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: is a fair point that some of the shame that 681 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 2: she's been feeling from the responses on her show, this 682 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 2: is why people stay quiet. Uh yeah, I don't, at 683 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 2: least from this conversation, Like none of us here are 684 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: saying that Ayaka was in the wrong, and we're saying 685 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: her story is so captivating that it brings up questions 686 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 2: that are obvious and what we want answered more not 687 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: as much as the specifics and the details of their timeline, 688 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: but the like inner dialogues that are going on is 689 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: what's interesting to me of how easily we can be 690 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 2: convinced to do something. Anyaika, we're on your team here. 691 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 2: We just got some questions that we want to ask 692 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: you at some. 693 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 4: Point for sure, And I think she'll the story is 694 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 4: going to continue to unravel. You know, she's still posting 695 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 4: on TikTok about it. 696 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 5: It was I think it. 697 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 4: Was a twenty six or twenty eight part series and 698 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 4: then she just stopped counting and just started talking about 699 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 4: other things. But you know, she's gotten a lot of 700 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 4: support too, and oh yeah, I think she'll grow from this, 701 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 4: and you know she'll make the money back with this 702 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 4: newfound clout. 703 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: Okay, I hope. 704 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna throw something else back out there. Do 705 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 3: we think that maybe she was catching on and then thought, well, 706 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 3: I'm already married to this jackass. Maybe I should just 707 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 3: continue it. 708 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 7: For the lore. 709 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: Maybe she can be a connartist with him. 710 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 3: I'm doing it for the plot. 711 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 2: There's no shot the one. You have to You have 712 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 2: to predict that this story could be captivating enough to 713 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: capture the attention of somebody that would pay you to 714 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: do it. 715 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: I mean, she probably watched the Resa Tisa thing that 716 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: woman got. She has like her own plenty of things 717 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: going on now, and she had like the most normal 718 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 3: job beforehand, and then she just happened to be a 719 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 3: perfect personality, and then two years later, you know she's 720 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: involved in media. I'm just spitfiring. 721 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: I know it would be a wild, a wild thought. 722 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think cool things are happening in my life. 723 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 2: To think I could turn them into a television show 724 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: never comes to mind. And so maybe I just don't 725 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 2: see that. But this is a big story, and maybe 726 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: she did at some point say I see this and 727 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: I'm going to wait. It was obviously strategic that she 728 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 2: waited until the divorce was finalized to post these videos. 729 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: Now I do believe she will capitalize and for the 730 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars that are gone, I hope she 731 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: gets paid at least that from this experience and is 732 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: able to disperse those funds to all of those people 733 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: in her family and close network that also was, you know, 734 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: victims of the Danish deception. 735 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 3: And I just I just want to finish by saying, 736 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: I'm just having fun. I'm sure she didn't do this 737 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 3: on purpose. Okay, it's just maybe she let it linger 738 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 3: a little longer. 739 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: There are so many questions actually that come up. This 740 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 2: This is not clear cut. This is not one of 741 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: those stories. But I remember remember watching the Tinder Swindler 742 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: and saying the same thing, how in the world do 743 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: you let this happen? Like, how do you not see it? 744 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 2: And con artists and the manipulators are really good at 745 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 2: blinding people to the game that they're playing, and then 746 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 2: at some point that game ends, and at some point 747 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: every time they get caught or the manipulator gets tired. 748 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 2: So many lies bouncing around in this world, and so 749 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 2: many things happening in this world, how in the world 750 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 2: do you keep track of it all? Yeah, and the 751 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: light comes to the surface. And now we're getting the 752 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 2: story from on Yaka Bachelor Nation, wild stories coming out 753 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: of out of this little family. We'll hopefully get on 754 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: Yaka on. We did request some time with her. She 755 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 2: is working on a few things and unable to join 756 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: us at this moment, but we will continue to follow 757 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 2: up with her to try to get her on the show, 758 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: to ask her some of the questions that we just 759 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 2: want to ask, to help understand, and to teach all 760 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: of us how we and you listeners maybe don't fall 761 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 2: into the same trap we did have. Zachary Reality here today. Zachary, 762 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: if you don't mind promoting the projects you work on. 763 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 3: You. 764 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 2: We have you on here because we love following you 765 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 2: and listening to you and paying attention to the updates 766 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: that you give. But if you can give all of 767 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 2: our listeners kind of some spots that they can listen 768 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 2: more to you. 769 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, just find me Zachary Reality Everywhere. I have so 770 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 4: many events and carpets coming up, and I'm in Miami 771 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 4: this week for Art bassal So I am super excited 772 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 4: to go out on the town. I do want to say, Ashley, 773 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 4: I am so excited that you're on the Real Housepisto 774 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 4: of Rhode Island. 775 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 5: I am treading out about it. I watch all the Housewives. 776 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 5: I literally love Bravo. 777 00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me. 778 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 4: I was Atocon this year and a lot of people 779 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 4: were really excited that you were on it. Toot fans. 780 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 4: I do think that you might get eaten alive. 781 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 5: Yeah. 782 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 4: The houselves are so tough, and you know, we do 783 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 4: know that you're very sensitive. So I'm excited to see 784 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 4: you cry again on TV. It's been a minute. 785 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you so much. 786 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 2: Yes, I can't wait. I can't wait to see Ashley cry. 787 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 2: Wait you never Oh yeah, everywhere, just Google search Zachary Reality. Yeah, 788 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 2: you're at all the events, the carpets, you're breaking down 789 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 2: all the stories coming out of pop culture. You're doing 790 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,479 Speaker 2: a great job at it. Thanks for joining us today 791 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 2: breaking down the Danish deception here on the Almost Famous Podcast. 792 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 2: Until next time. I've been Ben, I've. 793 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 3: Been Ashley see you guys, and I've been Zachary. Yay, 794 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: he gets it. 795 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 2: He's good. 796 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 797 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.