Speaker 1: Good morning vat Nation. We are so excited to have
Speaker 1: you listening in now we have so much ground to cover,
Speaker 1: and later on we have Misty Andrew, who, as you
Speaker 1: unfortunately saw, just went home, but she is on the
Speaker 1: line giving us all of the details and the tea
Speaker 1: living with all the girls, so we can't wait to
Speaker 1: get started. Yes, we are so excited because last week
Speaker 1: we gotta to be continued, which we know we hate,
Speaker 1: but now we have the answers that we need. Kind
Speaker 1: of right like kind of Becca, I still feel like
Speaker 1: we're confused on a lot of situations. We're not getting
Speaker 1: the truth. But shocker at the top of the episode,
Speaker 1: Peterson's a laya home at the beginning of the cocktail party. Now,
Speaker 1: were you expecting this? Okay, no, only because I don't
Speaker 1: quite understand the thought process in Peter first sending her
Speaker 1: home at last week's row ceremony, then having her comeback
Speaker 1: giving her a rose when she's not even on a date,
Speaker 1: she's not even part of the show at this point,
Speaker 1: bringing her back in to live with the girls, only
Speaker 1: to send her home prior to anything else happening. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just when I saw this, I was like Peter
Speaker 1: This is so problematic. You know, last episode we were saying,
Speaker 1: poor Peter, this episode, I'm titling it. I am not
Speaker 1: here to make friends, and we'll get into that later.
Speaker 1: But Peter's behavior for me, I can't excuse it much
Speaker 1: longer because what was frustrating was we see these women
Speaker 1: who call you out, who say they're confused by your actions,
Speaker 1: and it's becoming clear that you don't really know what
Speaker 1: you want, and you seem to be easily swayed by
Speaker 1: others opinions. You listen too much to the women who
Speaker 1: come and tattle to you when they have one on
Speaker 1: one time. You're listening to the collective group of the
Speaker 1: women say how they feel, rather than what your feelings are.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was screaming at the TV, what does
Speaker 1: Peter think? Yeah? What does he want? And I have
Speaker 1: to say that at this point in the season, it
Speaker 1: seems like he doesn't know. I don't think anyone knows.
Speaker 1: I don't think Peter knows. And my issue with this
Speaker 1: situation is that had the girls, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: a collective frustration with the group. They all questioned him,
Speaker 1: they all called him out on bringing her back, and
Speaker 1: of course rightly so they were angered by it, and
Speaker 1: had they not all done that and not attacked him
Speaker 1: in a way but brought that to his attention, I
Speaker 1: don't think he would have sent her home at that moment.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was overwhelming for him and
Speaker 1: he kind of had this panic of like, oh crap,
Speaker 1: I'm getting attacked now, just how do I appease this
Speaker 1: and how do I stop this quickly? It's like, but
Speaker 1: did you really want her back for a reason, because
Speaker 1: that's what you made it seem like by your actions,
Speaker 1: and so stand by that if that is what you want. No,
Speaker 1: completely agree with you, and I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: lead you should be a matter of fact, Yes, you
Speaker 1: know you questioned some things. We've been there, Becca both
Speaker 1: you do. You listen to what other people have to say,
Speaker 1: but you have to at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: trust your gut and be confident in whatever decision that
Speaker 1: it is that you make. And Peter doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: have that characteristic at this point as a lead. And
Speaker 1: I've just never seen so much confusion clouding over a cast,
Speaker 1: and I'm including Peter in that. And I think what
Speaker 1: was also problematic is, Okay, you made the decision to
Speaker 1: bring a Laya back. You wanted that you didn't feel
Speaker 1: like you had the full story, and as we found out,
Speaker 1: he certainly did not. But what he didn't have to
Speaker 1: do was give her a rose. He could have just said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to bring you back. We've
Speaker 1: seen that before. I want to give you some more
Speaker 1: time to prove yourself. I want to get to know you.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some more that I need to figure out.
Speaker 1: But Peter didn't do that. He gave her a rose,
Speaker 1: and then you take it back and you're still telling
Speaker 1: Victoria Pee how much you trust her. And I'm so
Speaker 1: frustrated because to me, the lies are evident. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I just have come to the conclusion that we have
Speaker 1: to be missing something because the other side of it
Speaker 1: is that Peter is an idiot. I'm sorry, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how you just don't get the Victoria Pe lied
Speaker 1: to you, and you just seem to excuse this problematic behavior.
Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated with them as I'm watching the beginning
Speaker 1: of this episode, and I think, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak for him because he is not here. My
Speaker 1: personal take is that at this moment, from everything that
Speaker 1: we have seen, Peter is getting distracted by shiny things
Speaker 1: and what he has attracted to, and he is following
Speaker 1: other parts of his body and not necessarily his head
Speaker 1: at this moment in time. Yeah, no, one hundred percent. Okay,
Speaker 1: So moving on, we lose three more ladies. We lose Keiki,
Speaker 1: we lose Deandra, and we lose Savannah. They don't get roses.
Speaker 1: And that's short lived because now we're excited because we're
Speaker 1: leaving the country and we're going on a journey to
Speaker 1: Costa Rica, which I personally have a love for. That's
Speaker 1: where I had my bachelorette party, so I was excited
Speaker 1: to see the ladies that they get to go there.
Speaker 1: It's really a fun and exciting place. But Okay, I
Speaker 1: have to laugh about this because one thing I don't
Speaker 1: think people know about me is that sometimes I'm really
Speaker 1: gullible and who When Peter met the women and he
Speaker 1: started telling them the story about the puma, I believed
Speaker 1: him at first. He started it off. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was committed to the story. I will say I probably
Speaker 1: would have been like you or the other women have
Speaker 1: been like shut up, no way this puma. But we yeah,
Speaker 1: never find out that wasn't the case. I mean a
Speaker 1: puma crossing this path. It was a golf cart, but
Speaker 1: not even like, not even the fact that he fell
Speaker 1: out of a golf cart. It's that he was just
Speaker 1: going to sit on the back at the golf cart
Speaker 1: and it hits his head and then quickly dives and
Speaker 1: hits his head on the glass. Like I know. The
Speaker 1: actual footage clip that they showed was very It wasn't
Speaker 1: high quality. It was very brief, but I had to
Speaker 1: rewatch it a couple of times to be like, is
Speaker 1: how the heck does this happen? And I'm a very
Speaker 1: clumsy person, so I get that you can get injured
Speaker 1: in like the weirdest of ways. But what it was
Speaker 1: definitely a freak accident twenty it was. The reenactment was amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm always here for the re enactment. These keep them
Speaker 1: coming throughout the season. I mean, it was worth It
Speaker 1: wasn't even what I thought it was until I saw
Speaker 1: the reenactment and I was like, Wow, that's how it
Speaker 1: happened to Peter. Okay, still don't quite get it, but
Speaker 1: that's why I'm calling it a freak accident. I do
Speaker 1: have to say that when he was telling the story
Speaker 1: about the puma, I thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: a reference to a like a black cat, which I
Speaker 1: guess the puma as a cat, but an actual black
Speaker 1: cat walking across his path, across his path kind of
Speaker 1: foreshadowing if you're superstitious that you know something is going
Speaker 1: to happen, which I kind of think he cursed the
Speaker 1: season by telling this story because it seems like a
Speaker 1: black cat is running all over this season. Just En
Speaker 1: circles around him. Yeah yeah, just around him in the house,
Speaker 1: on the plane, wherever, on the golf cart, everywhere everything,
Speaker 1: and it's in the suitcase. It it is following him.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So yes, And don't you feel like we're
Speaker 1: getting a lot of one on ones? Is it just me?
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just feel like more, you know,
Speaker 1: normally sometimes you see two group dates and just one
Speaker 1: one on one during the week. I feel like every
Speaker 1: week we're getting multiple one on ones. But we are
Speaker 1: great for the ladies. Great for the ladies. That means
Speaker 1: they're getting more time with Peter. So Sydney gets a
Speaker 1: one on one and she goes on a helicopter ride
Speaker 1: over a waterfall and the beautiful rainforest forests that are
Speaker 1: in Costa Rica, and we really see her personality come
Speaker 1: out a bit because she's kind of she's like silent
Speaker 1: but deadly, right. You see her quietly moving in the house,
Speaker 1: but then when she does speak, it's always with the
Speaker 1: dagger because we saw what happened to Alaia and we
Speaker 1: kind of see that happen later on in the episode
Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, what did you think about her
Speaker 1: opening up with Peter. I think, well, Peter said it
Speaker 1: best when he was talking to her. He called her mysterious,
Speaker 1: which I agree with. There's always something It's like from
Speaker 1: what we've seen up until this one on one, there
Speaker 1: wasn't I didn't get much to her other than the
Speaker 1: fact that she didn't like Alaia. There was always something
Speaker 1: there that she was kind of reserved about. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she opened up about her background, about being bullied and
Speaker 1: her parents' relationship and how difficult that was for her.
Speaker 1: I interact watching Peter and her interact, I think I
Speaker 1: think he is very enamored with her, by her beauty.
Speaker 1: I think that's very apparent. I just don't think other
Speaker 1: than that, like I don't for me personally see that deep,
Speaker 1: strong connection. It's like, yes, we know she's a good kisser.
Speaker 1: They had a very very very steamy makeout session in
Speaker 1: multiple positions, but other than that, I don't see much
Speaker 1: more between them than than that passion. Now that's a
Speaker 1: really good point. Yeah, you're right, they didn't seem to
Speaker 1: connect below a surface level. In my notes, I have
Speaker 1: one word written under Sydney and it's hot. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's like all hot road, I have all these things
Speaker 1: about everything else is like hot. She's hot, their data
Speaker 1: is hot, their interactions are hot. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: basses do you think they rounded when they were in
Speaker 1: that hot tub? Six or seven? But they're only basis,
Speaker 1: they're only four life. This is I thought you meant,
Speaker 1: like how many different services did they make out? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well you know what I was actually wondering watching them
Speaker 1: make out. At one point they were making out, you know,
Speaker 1: laying down, and then she was on top and he
Speaker 1: was on top. But at one point they were under
Speaker 1: the water and you just see the back and someone
Speaker 1: sitting on someone and I'm like, I think, wow, there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more touchy feely going on than the
Speaker 1: camera is letting on. Right now, Well, we've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: an extended preview the audience has at this point of
Speaker 1: the season from beginning to the end, and one of
Speaker 1: the clips is a girl saying Sydney had sex in
Speaker 1: the hot tub with Peter. So I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: So maybe there's another hot tub that comes. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. You didn't see that? No clip? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've missed that. Yes, it's the only thing that and
Speaker 1: and Barb saying don't let her go. The two clip
Speaker 1: are the two things that I remember in nixt in
Speaker 1: a clip. Yes, somebody says that. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a rumor, if something happens later, but it's
Speaker 1: definitely something that I'm waiting to see play out as
Speaker 1: the season progresses. Yes, but um, Sydney definitely was a
Speaker 1: passionate date. I made sure that Brian fast forwarded during
Speaker 1: that section of the date. Or how does it not
Speaker 1: just kidding careless? How many bases do you think they covered?
Speaker 1: Since I botched that one? Three? Three? They definitely I
Speaker 1: don't think they made it home, but they definitely rounded
Speaker 1: third base. Dylan, when we had him on the show
Speaker 1: last week said talked about having to watch episodes back.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was Dylan or Hannah that
Speaker 1: said it after watching Sydney's date. If he didn't pick Sydney,
Speaker 1: my god, whoever he picked is really going to have
Speaker 1: to dig deep within. If he picked somebody, we still
Speaker 1: don't even know that, but it's going to have to
Speaker 1: dig deep within to really move past that because there
Speaker 1: is a lot of physical tenac. Yes, they either have
Speaker 1: to have very thick skin and be confident in who
Speaker 1: they are and in the relationship at this point, or
Speaker 1: who knows if they even watched it, because if I
Speaker 1: was Peter, I'd be like, oh, maybe fast forward a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and at this point, Peter's kissed everyone.
Speaker 1: He kiss thirteen the first night, so and he told
Speaker 1: Sidney she was the best kisser. So if I'm the
Speaker 1: girl he picked and I'm sitting at home, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, okay, so really, so Sidney's got the
Speaker 1: best lips, So what do you think about my lips?
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, what does she do? What do
Speaker 1: I need to work on? Give me the pointers here? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's That's a tough pill swallow. He seems to
Speaker 1: gravitate girls that have more of a hard, difficult, tragic
Speaker 1: past that he kind of wants to save, even though
Speaker 1: he mentioned with us that he wants a strong, independent
Speaker 1: woman that he might like to be the savior in
Speaker 1: a relationship. Yeah, and I almost think that he can't
Speaker 1: help it, because everybody, more than any other season I've watched,
Speaker 1: these girls have a past and a story and have
Speaker 1: really been through things. So it's almost inevitable because everybody
Speaker 1: is like, I want to sit down and tell my story.
Speaker 1: I mean, even later in the episode we see McKenna
Speaker 1: who's like, this was a big night for us. I
Speaker 1: was going to open up to him and tell him
Speaker 1: my story, and I was like, geez, everybody except for Kelly,
Speaker 1: who will talk about later, really has a deep story
Speaker 1: or is at least willing to open up with Peter
Speaker 1: and share that with him. And maybe that's a credit
Speaker 1: to Peter that they the girls just feel comfortable enough
Speaker 1: to really express how they feel. And he is very empathetic,
Speaker 1: and when his parents were in the studio weeks ago,
Speaker 1: they did mention he is a people pleaser. He does
Speaker 1: have that nurturing inside to him, which we're definitely seen
Speaker 1: with him and these women yeah, no, no, no no, for sure.
Speaker 1: So the next date, which I thought was interesting and
Speaker 1: definitely a recipe for drama, as we see them having
Speaker 1: this professional photo shoot on the waterfalls on the rocks,
Speaker 1: which was beautiful, but then you see girls really step
Speaker 1: it up out of their comfort zone and try to
Speaker 1: stand out to I don't know if the prize was Peter,
Speaker 1: just the prize of getting that cover of that magazine,
Speaker 1: But what did you think about the girl's actions as
Speaker 1: they were in the midst of that photo shoot. If
Speaker 1: I was on this group date, I would be more defied.
Speaker 1: What would you do with your hands? Exactly? Rachel to
Speaker 1: my point, I am so awkward. I never really had
Speaker 1: a proper photo shoot until after I came out of
Speaker 1: the bachelorette Like, of course I had my senior photos
Speaker 1: and that was it. So if had I been on
Speaker 1: this date, I would have been like, can I stand underwater?
Speaker 1: Please give me some of those water shoes. I'll hide
Speaker 1: beneath the surface, like I'll smile at the camera. I
Speaker 1: would have no idea what to do, which is where
Speaker 1: we see the difference with some of these girls. Because,
Speaker 1: of course you have Hannah Ann, who is the model
Speaker 1: she killed it on the evolved day. These girls are
Speaker 1: all gorgeous, and I will say like it came across
Speaker 1: that all looked pretty comfortable with each other. They're posed
Speaker 1: up with some of the other girls. The part that
Speaker 1: kind of stuck out to me is Victoria f when
Speaker 1: she goes in for that kiss with Peter. I think
Speaker 1: her whole I'm not confident act is not necessarily true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm torn on this one because I get it. You
Speaker 1: there's no girl or guy that doesn't get insecure when
Speaker 1: you're on this show and you're surrounding yourself with all
Speaker 1: these beautiful people and it's hard to stand out in
Speaker 1: a crowd. But yeah, that that definitely that insecurity. Seems
Speaker 1: like that was I don't know, something that happened a
Speaker 1: long time ago, because we're not seeing that now. We're
Speaker 1: seeing her more vocal in the house and we're seeing
Speaker 1: her more standing out and you know, being a presence
Speaker 1: when it comes to Peter. How about Tammy. That was
Speaker 1: hilarious when she did not no, that was you beckat
Speaker 1: you are Tammy? Tammy? When they were kissing, I was
Speaker 1: like McKenna looked like she was like reaching like grabbing
Speaker 1: his neck, like hey, Hey, kiss me too, and Tammy
Speaker 1: just screams and just stands there and looks terrified, like
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I'm just here that
Speaker 1: Tammy is the ultimate, Like this moment sucks, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to make the most of it. And her face
Speaker 1: like when the when the camera snapped her face in
Speaker 1: that moment, I was like, oh my god, I feel
Speaker 1: I'm feeling Tammy right now. And yes, that's just it's
Speaker 1: just uncomfortable, you know. And I get that it's the
Speaker 1: name of the game, and you know when you sign
Speaker 1: up for the show that you're going to have to
Speaker 1: see other relationships unfold. But like, let's be honest, no
Speaker 1: one wants to see him kissing another girl literally twelve
Speaker 1: inches behind you. Yeah. How about when Victoria f on
Speaker 1: the nighttime part of the date said quote, I'm twenty six.
Speaker 1: It's depressing. Oh rache well, and then Peter goes, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty eight, I'm grandpa, and I'm like, I'm thirty. What
Speaker 1: are you saying about us? That's what I should have
Speaker 1: named the theme of the show. I mean, like that
Speaker 1: that right there, let's you know, the mindset. Then Kelly
Speaker 1: gets a date which it's like, I remember Kelly's there,
Speaker 1: but I forget because we don't see that much of
Speaker 1: her unless they're talking about how it was so amazing
Speaker 1: how they met before the season. So Kelly pops up again,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, great, Like maybe we'll see more of
Speaker 1: her personality. I like Kelly. Well, she even said she's
Speaker 1: the one to kind of go hide in the corner. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, well that's why we haven't seen you. Plus,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of drama, and Kelly is just like,
Speaker 1: I'm over this, this drama. I thought their date was interesting.
Speaker 1: I actually would have liked it. I don't know how
Speaker 1: they didn't just burst out laughing through the entire thing.
Speaker 1: Oh I would have loved it. I no, no, And
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I actually I probably would have
Speaker 1: liked that date too. I think I just the way
Speaker 1: that it's shown, it just seems so awkward between the
Speaker 1: two of them that I would have just been cracking
Speaker 1: jokes left and right to kind of make up for
Speaker 1: some of that. It just I think it was hard
Speaker 1: because had it been any other girl who he maybe
Speaker 1: wasn't questioning their relationship with, it would have gone a
Speaker 1: totally different way, I think it would have been much
Speaker 1: more intimate, but because we know there's some tension and
Speaker 1: they're both kind of questioning where they're at in their relationship,
Speaker 1: but just you can feel that spilling through the TV. No, no, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a painful day to watch.
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted Kelly to open up a little
Speaker 1: bit more, but I do feel like we got where
Speaker 1: she was coming from. And I really thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting because as I was watching it, I thought, I
Speaker 1: am Kelly, and Kelly is me. If I was in
Speaker 1: that house with those women, I don't think that I
Speaker 1: would survive. And it really made me reflect on my season,
Speaker 1: what or not my season? But when I was on
Speaker 1: nixt season, I thought that I wouldn't get along with
Speaker 1: any of the women in the house, and I was
Speaker 1: so beautifully surprised that I really developed strong friendships during
Speaker 1: the show and even thereafter. And I realize how much
Speaker 1: of a blessing that is, because it's one thing for
Speaker 1: you to connect with the lead, but that's only the
Speaker 1: time that you have when you're one on one. When
Speaker 1: you go the majority of time of the time is
Speaker 1: in the house, and if you don't have that support
Speaker 1: system or girls that you trust or just that circle
Speaker 1: of friends. It will eat at you and it will
Speaker 1: really affect your journey on this season. And I thought,
Speaker 1: Kelly doesn't have that, She doesn't have those girls. And
Speaker 1: she said it. She even referenced Hannah Anne, which Peter
Speaker 1: was like, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait what
Speaker 1: about Hannah Anne? And I thought, yeah, she's like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I like her, but I realize we are
Speaker 1: on different levels. And I was it's obvious she is.
Speaker 1: They are on two different levels, they have two different mindsets,
Speaker 1: they are in two different places in their lives. And
Speaker 1: I just really felt bad for Kelly in that moment
Speaker 1: because I thought, you know what, Kelly could be a
Speaker 1: different person. She was with a different group of women. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that just goes to show. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: for both Nick and Aris season us collectively as the
Speaker 1: group of women we were a little bit older, we
Speaker 1: were you know, it was just a different different age group,
Speaker 1: different mindsets. And not that Kelly got stuck in this one,
Speaker 1: but yes, I think it could have been different had
Speaker 1: it been a different season. And but what I appreciate
Speaker 1: about Kelly is we've seen it on other seasons where
Speaker 1: the girls don't get along with anyone and don't care
Speaker 1: to interact with the other women, and they say like,
Speaker 1: I am not here to make friends. I don't care
Speaker 1: about anyone else. I think that's not Kelly's mindset. I
Speaker 1: think she just feels a little bit off base. She
Speaker 1: can't connect with them. And it's not that she's not
Speaker 1: open or welcome to that. I just think it's not
Speaker 1: fully there for her. And she's not shutting it down,
Speaker 1: but she's just kind of removing herself in a more
Speaker 1: mature way. But it is tough because in this scenario,
Speaker 1: you don't have your phones, you don't have your normal
Speaker 1: friends and family to lean on, and so it is
Speaker 1: I can see why she would feel very isolated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought that. I was actually surprised that at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, because Peter seemed to question
Speaker 1: her a lot. I thought it was so cute when
Speaker 1: he was like, well, what about what the shaman said?
Speaker 1: I was like, Peter, he was really into it. I
Speaker 1: would have been into it. Yeah, And you know, I
Speaker 1: really at first, I go, oh, my gosh, she's not
Speaker 1: going to give her a rose. I really like Kelly.
Speaker 1: Kelly needs to stay. She's one of the level headed
Speaker 1: ones in the house. And then he gave it to her,
Speaker 1: and he explained his reasoning, and I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: good for you, Peter, You're right, my god, if you're
Speaker 1: going to let Aleiah come back, please give Kelly another chance,
Speaker 1: because she's expressed to you what she struggles with, what
Speaker 1: her fear is, and now she's told you that she's
Speaker 1: ready to open up. So I know that he's going
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, I know he's going to be waiting
Speaker 1: for her to do that, but he really didn't have
Speaker 1: to wait long because she opened up in that hot
Speaker 1: tub right right. I will say I'm glad that she
Speaker 1: I did not expect her to get throws, just from
Speaker 1: the way things were going earlier in the day. But
Speaker 1: I am glad that he gave it to her, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, he brought a La back for a
Speaker 1: reason who was wrapped up in that drama, and Kelly
Speaker 1: got to that point that he needed her to get
Speaker 1: to in that one on one date. And so I'm
Speaker 1: glad that she's sticking around, absolutely, And you know what,
Speaker 1: the reason I feel like I'm clinging on to Kelly
Speaker 1: even though I so relate to her, I'm clinging on
Speaker 1: to Kelly because the girls that I feel like I
Speaker 1: relate to or dropping like flies, and that brings me
Speaker 1: to Tammy. Tammy was one of my favorites mine too,
Speaker 1: but Tammy showed out this episode. I mean Tammy. Tammy
Speaker 1: epitomizes the girl who I guess when you know that
Speaker 1: you're not the one, and you know he's not going
Speaker 1: to pick you, you just start acting out and tattling
Speaker 1: to whatever is going to keep you week to week.
Speaker 1: Because if Tammy had not acted the way that she did,
Speaker 1: she would not be with us this week or at
Speaker 1: the end of this week, she wouldn't be going on
Speaker 1: to next week. Okay, what do you think about what
Speaker 1: Tammy said? Tammy saying about the pills and the drinking,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was her place to get involved in.
Speaker 1: I think that that is a much deeper, heavier issue
Speaker 1: that if it is, and I'm not saying that it
Speaker 1: is even a problem, I don't know, but if it was,
Speaker 1: that is not Tammy's place to be saying it to
Speaker 1: Peter or to anybody else. That's a very Turkey territory
Speaker 1: to cross, and I think she should have stayed out
Speaker 1: of it. I want to start by saying, you know
Speaker 1: the thing, everyone's like, we were rooting for you, like
Speaker 1: I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted with Tammy. I loved Tammy up.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I will say this, I still like Tammy.
Speaker 1: I think this week she of course, like should not
Speaker 1: have gotten involved in certain things. She should have not
Speaker 1: reacted in the way that she did in certain things.
Speaker 1: And that's just my opinion. Yeah, you know, Becca, it
Speaker 1: really seems that tam exacerated the situation. Did you did
Speaker 1: you catch that? I catch I catch that, Yes, Rachel,
Speaker 1: I caught that. And every week I feel like we're
Speaker 1: going to have a new word that we've talked about
Speaker 1: to add to that, miss vocabulary? Is that? Is that
Speaker 1: even a word? Miss vocabulary? I might to this to
Speaker 1: this vocabulary bank, because um, every week it seems like
Speaker 1: there's one that one word that it's little off and
Speaker 1: God bless these girls for trying, but exacerate is not
Speaker 1: the correct one. No, it's not. It's exacerbate. And and
Speaker 1: please please, it's not okay, Becca, it's not okay. And
Speaker 1: we're at an all time high here. These are basic words, Okay,
Speaker 1: we should be able to use them. It wasn't Tammy
Speaker 1: Hughes that I was just using it in a sentence.
Speaker 1: It was Victoria Pe was the victim this week who
Speaker 1: mispronounced the word. She said exacerate. That is not correct,
Speaker 1: and I don't want people to be repeating this. I
Speaker 1: don't want this to be a thing. Okay, people to
Speaker 1: know how to correctly say it. So I guess next
Speaker 1: week there'll be another but calling out someone as being
Speaker 1: an alcoholic and popping pills, those are lines that you
Speaker 1: don't cross if you're not in someone's inner circle and
Speaker 1: not close with them, and I don't think that that
Speaker 1: should have been brought up to anyone in this scenario.
Speaker 1: I was actually shocked that Tammy didn't have the wherewithal
Speaker 1: to not do that. I just really was like, gosh,
Speaker 1: she's really desperate. And I know what this situation is
Speaker 1: like and how you feel levels of desperation when you
Speaker 1: feel like you're about to go home. But this was
Speaker 1: not the answer. This was not the way to go. Now,
Speaker 1: what did you think about Kelsey being able to go
Speaker 1: and talk to Peter. I have such a problem with this.
Speaker 1: I think it is an absolute unfair advantage. This has
Speaker 1: got to stop. Now this is starting to pick up lately.
Speaker 1: It didn't really happen on my season. I can't remember
Speaker 1: Becca if it happened on yours. But thereafter people keep
Speaker 1: getting to talk to the lead and it is not fair.
Speaker 1: It is like it would infuriate me. It happened when
Speaker 1: on Nick season with Karn, but it wasn't the same
Speaker 1: as this. It wasn't because she went to him for drama.
Speaker 1: She just went to have some alone time. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I just I just was so upset when I saw this.
Speaker 1: What was How did you feel? I think I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that there are certain things set up to
Speaker 1: make the show work. The cocktail parties, the group date
Speaker 1: after parties, that is when the girls have their time
Speaker 1: with Peter, and it's and it should be fair and even.
Speaker 1: And in this case, when everyone just wants to go
Speaker 1: Willie Nilly and show up and talk to him whenever
Speaker 1: they want, like, people are clearly going to pick up
Speaker 1: on that and started doing it whenever they want. So
Speaker 1: I do think it does give her definitely an unfair advantage.
Speaker 1: Now my take on this is it's not like Kelsey
Speaker 1: just got up and left the villa. And went walking
Speaker 1: down the road to go and try and tell Peter.
Speaker 1: You know, there are things set up. There is a
Speaker 1: team of producers that had to have made that happen
Speaker 1: because Kelsey has no idea where she's going. Let's be honest,
Speaker 1: she's walking through Costa Rica without a phone. You're not
Speaker 1: just going to find Peter randomly. So there definitely was
Speaker 1: help and assistance in that case. So it wasn't just
Speaker 1: Kelsey being like, oh, I'm gonna do this on my own.
Speaker 1: That being said, I think that the time allotted for
Speaker 1: these girls and Peter, and even Peter like he needs
Speaker 1: some alone time. Let's be honest, this entire process is
Speaker 1: very draining and exhausting at times, and sometimes you just
Speaker 1: need to be alone to sift through things and to
Speaker 1: process things and like have that moment for yourself. And
Speaker 1: so if everyone's just dropping in on him, that's not
Speaker 1: going to be healthy for anyone's mindset. Totally totally agree
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, seriously, I know it's good TV,
Speaker 1: but it's just so unfair, especially in this situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: I might have been McKenna crying when he canceled that
Speaker 1: cocktail party for the women. It's just and then I
Speaker 1: guess Peter saying, well, hell no, let me rewind see,
Speaker 1: Peter has really been frustrating me. Peter saying I have
Speaker 1: the clarity that I need just by talking to Kelsey
Speaker 1: when and I get it, he's not privy to seeing
Speaker 1: her be a basket case that she has been this episode.
Speaker 1: He is left with the impression that he had from
Speaker 1: their one on one day and she was very calm
Speaker 1: when she went and talked to him. But Peter giving
Speaker 1: her a rose, just like he did with Eliah. Stop
Speaker 1: giving out roses prior to the rose ceremony. Make them wait,
Speaker 1: say I heard you. You don't need to give her
Speaker 1: the reassurance right now, just say I heard you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to take that into consideration and I'll see you tonight.
Speaker 1: That was it for her to have that rose and
Speaker 1: go back and then say, hey, ladies, by the way,
Speaker 1: this is what I said. I mean, I would just
Speaker 1: be buming and I am not taking up for Tammy.
Speaker 1: Tammy is totally wrong in what she said. And I
Speaker 1: get else wanting to defend herself, but do it at
Speaker 1: the cocktail party. Yeah, definitely. And Peter didn't know. Peter
Speaker 1: didn't even know that Tammy was saying that. What I
Speaker 1: really want to say is um my point of view,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to say
Speaker 1: that people's emotions and feelings aren't warranted because I think
Speaker 1: it's it's okay to cry. I'm not saying that it's not.
Speaker 1: I think from what I'm seeing is Kelsey does have
Speaker 1: her emotions are a little bit too much at times,
Speaker 1: and I think that she when she gets very overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: her reaction is to, you know, to tear up and
Speaker 1: to cry. And that's especially in this scenario, in the
Speaker 1: situation of being a contestant on the Bachelor, like, you
Speaker 1: definitely have to have some thick skin. So for me
Speaker 1: to watch sometimes I'm like, Kelsey, buck up, like you.
Speaker 1: He has told you multiple times he is into you.
Speaker 1: He likes you, Like, don't get so wrapped up in
Speaker 1: the emotions and being uncertain. But for Tammy to say,
Speaker 1: what were her exact words were, Did she say emotionally
Speaker 1: unstable or having a mental breakdown? Yeah? Sure, the mental
Speaker 1: breakdown part. It's um. Again, I think that, especially in
Speaker 1: this day and age, you have to use certain words
Speaker 1: and phrases, and sometimes there are tricker words like bullying,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about that in the past that I
Speaker 1: think a mental breakdown gives it the extreme. And yes,
Speaker 1: maybe Kelsey was in that moment crying and upset, and
Speaker 1: we've seen her cry a lot thrown it, but I
Speaker 1: think Tammy should have expressed that in a different way.
Speaker 1: She shouldn't have said, hey, you know, Kelsey is emotionally
Speaker 1: unstable and she's having a mental breakdown. She's just she.
Speaker 1: If Tammy wanted to confront Peter about this and say anything,
Speaker 1: it should have just been like, yeah, like she her
Speaker 1: emotions aren't always like what do I want to say,
Speaker 1: like even keeled and level, and they don't always match up,
Speaker 1: and she does, like she does seem to be crying
Speaker 1: by herself, and just maybe touch based on that. If
Speaker 1: if that were the conversation that she wanted to get across,
Speaker 1: it did not appear that way. Yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was a no for me, Tammy this week. It was
Speaker 1: a serious no. And I'm I don't see it turning
Speaker 1: around for her at this point. You could really see
Speaker 1: the girls turn on her. I mean, the way she
Speaker 1: went off on Sydney, it's I mean, I guess I
Speaker 1: do kind of get a little bit of a mean
Speaker 1: girl vibe from Sydney. I can see it, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's really how she is or just
Speaker 1: the fact that she's so unbothered, and so it's more
Speaker 1: misunderstood because she does seem to be unbothered. But she
Speaker 1: and Tammy went at it at the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: so Peter cancels the rose ceremony, which I was a
Speaker 1: little shocked by, but it sends the girls into a
Speaker 1: complete tizzy. And that's when we see Tammy lashing out
Speaker 1: at Sydney and back and forth, and then McKenna's crying,
Speaker 1: and I think we saw Natasha even cry this week,
Speaker 1: and Janne was that sheeah because she goes on with
Speaker 1: theano she Anne is crying as well, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I get it. This is a probably the only moment
Speaker 1: so far that I felt sorry for the ladies in
Speaker 1: the house, because more than ever, we are seeing the
Speaker 1: lead not spending time with the girls in the house,
Speaker 1: and it really is circulated between the ones that have
Speaker 1: the drama, and it's not fair. It really isn't. And
Speaker 1: I think Kelsey was the icing on the cake, her
Speaker 1: getting that alone time, her taking. It did seem that
Speaker 1: she took away from the cocktail party because Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: being a little messy stern the pots said, well, he
Speaker 1: has the clarity he needs, and he didn't. No one
Speaker 1: knew that he had that until Kelsey had ventured over
Speaker 1: to meet Peter. Obviously, or at least that's the way
Speaker 1: it looks. McKenna and Tammy saying, excuse me, Peter cannot
Speaker 1: talk to you before he dishes out the roses. May
Speaker 1: or may not have affected his decision, but they definitely
Speaker 1: got roses. At the end of the rose ceremony and
Speaker 1: we say goodbye to Lexie and she Anne. Can I
Speaker 1: just say I really like Lexei. I'm mad we didn't
Speaker 1: get to see more of her. I'm always fond of redheads.
Speaker 1: I think she's so pretty, you know what. I really
Speaker 1: liked Alexei too, and so that I thought Lexie was
Speaker 1: the mysterious one. I know that Peter kept saying that
Speaker 1: Sidney was, but I think Lexi is like that sultry, sexy,
Speaker 1: mysterious vixen. If yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: totally see that, and she seems really level headed. She probably,
Speaker 1: like Deandra, didn't open up and was going to use
Speaker 1: this time because it's kind of mid season where you're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: if I haven't opened up already, I really really need
Speaker 1: to because I'm losing an opportunity. Are losing out an
Speaker 1: opportunity for him to really get to know me. So
Speaker 1: I was sad to see both of them go, And
Speaker 1: I know she Anne felt like poor she Anne. She
Speaker 1: every single time she tried to talk to him, somebody
Speaker 1: interrupted her. But I was shocked when she Anne gave
Speaker 1: him a warning and she said, quote, I know you're
Speaker 1: trying to follow your heart. I want you to be
Speaker 1: aware of some of the people in this house. Some
Speaker 1: of the girls that are here. What you're seeing is
Speaker 1: not who they are in quote Barry Katie Morton esque.
Speaker 1: Remember when she gave Holton that warning. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think it's something that Peter has questioned for a while
Speaker 1: and now to have she Anne a girl who you know,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't owe him anything because I don't think
Speaker 1: she really got to know him though. I don't think
Speaker 1: he allowed her to get to know either of them
Speaker 1: on a deeper level, so she could have just hugged
Speaker 1: him goodbye and walked away. I think that that kind
Speaker 1: of hit home for him because now he's questioning, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know I've said this before, and now she's also
Speaker 1: bringing it up during her goodbye like what am I
Speaker 1: missing here? Yeah? Like poor Peter again, he can't catch
Speaker 1: a break. I know that's going to send him in
Speaker 1: a tizzy because he thought he had clarity, right, Chris
Speaker 1: Harrison's like, he has a clarity he needs and then
Speaker 1: she Anne says what she does, and it's like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't now. And let's be honest, Becca, as
Speaker 1: you never have all the clarity that you want. You
Speaker 1: just have to be confident in the decisions that you're making,
Speaker 1: and that's all that you can really do. So I
Speaker 1: can't wait to find out who she is talking about.
Speaker 1: And I got some guesses. I got some guys I want.
Speaker 1: I wish we had Shan in studio today because I
Speaker 1: really want to know. You know, I have a feeling
Speaker 1: that some few girls, but we'll see name one. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if I have to say, I
Speaker 1: think she's talking about Kelsey and I think she let
Speaker 1: me get my handy dammy sheet up here. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say Kelsey too. I was gonna say Kelsey and
Speaker 1: and also I would maybe say Sydney just because when
Speaker 1: they were going at it, I felt like when Sydney
Speaker 1: and Tammy started fighting like that part kind of came
Speaker 1: out of left field as well. And so, um, I
Speaker 1: think there's more more that wasn't always shown that we're well,
Speaker 1: I'll say Victoria he and the reason I'll say that
Speaker 1: because I think her name was Savannah, but she was
Speaker 1: the one who kept saying as if I've talked to them,
Speaker 1: or I've talked to Victoria Pee and she's what she's
Speaker 1: telling him, isn't what she told me? Remember, she kept
Speaker 1: saying that there was that one girl, Savannah who's gone
Speaker 1: home now, so we'll never know. But she did plant
Speaker 1: those seeds. She said it more than once, and I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see what she did there, and I'm paying attention,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go ahead and name her. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: more to come, And by that more to come, I
Speaker 1: mean we got DeAndre coming up next. So can't wait
Speaker 1: to pick that apart and see what she's gonna say.
Speaker 1: All right, bat Her Nation, we cannot wait to get
Speaker 1: started today. We have a new guest who Rachel and
Speaker 1: I have never formerly met, just on the phone calling
Speaker 1: in from Texas is Deandra. Yes, ma'am. Hey, guys, we're
Speaker 1: excited to have you. You are our first guest from
Speaker 1: this season. That special. I know I'm special, I guess thanks,
Speaker 1: guys are very special. Well, we can't wait to dive
Speaker 1: right in. Obviously we have a lot to cover, um,
Speaker 1: but we're just excited to get your take because, like
Speaker 1: Rage said, you were the first girl from the season.
Speaker 1: So we want the jews, we want the good details.
Speaker 1: We want you to spill the tea, all of the things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't hold back, don't hold back. Will We will poke
Speaker 1: you until you just can't help it anymore and you
Speaker 1: have to tell us. Literally can't wait for that, could
Speaker 1: not wait. Okay, So, how has it been watching the
Speaker 1: show from the outside perspective? Because I imagine like when
Speaker 1: you're in it, you're in it. You're in this bubble.
Speaker 1: We get it, and we've been there before. Now you
Speaker 1: got to watch it now people know who you are.
Speaker 1: So what has that been like to just watch it now? Um,
Speaker 1: to watch from the outside, I actually feel like I'm
Speaker 1: gathering more information and stuff is making more sense than
Speaker 1: it was in the house, Like seeing everything set on
Speaker 1: the dates that I wasn't involved in, and then like
Speaker 1: the difference between like being in the house versus like
Speaker 1: seeing everything from the outside. It's definitely good and it's
Speaker 1: all starting to come together essentially. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: watching with everyone else as well. I'm about to poke
Speaker 1: you already, just like off the top, like here we go.
Speaker 1: What do you mean that you're getting more clarity and
Speaker 1: understanding certain situations, Like which situation aren't you talking about?
Speaker 1: And which people I mean? So I mean most recently
Speaker 1: or I mean not most recently, but like with the
Speaker 1: whole Alliance Sydney drama, So I wasn't on that date,
Speaker 1: so I didn't really get the full picture of my hair.
Speaker 1: Everything went down and you know what was exactly said,
Speaker 1: So like now watching it, I was in the house obviously,
Speaker 1: so coming back by my my own business, like if
Speaker 1: someone doesn't want to tell me something, I'm like fine.
Speaker 1: So now seeing how it went down, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's how one. Okay, So I want
Speaker 1: to backtrack a little bit because I want to know
Speaker 1: what girls you were pretty close within the house who
Speaker 1: you kind of stayed away from, um, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: living with twenty plus women. It's always difficult all these
Speaker 1: different energies. So give us a little inside scoop of
Speaker 1: the women that you were close with and who you
Speaker 1: kind of steered clear of. I mean I was close
Speaker 1: with a lot of girls in the house. I mean
Speaker 1: definitely Kiera, Alexa, Kelly Madison. I was even a little
Speaker 1: close to Hannah An because we were roommates, and like Alan,
Speaker 1: you know all of them, Tammy, But you know, there's
Speaker 1: just a couple of girls that Obviously everyone has different personalities.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be best friends with everyone. There's
Speaker 1: thirty girls. I mean I wasn't super close with Sydney
Speaker 1: or Natasha or you know, I wasn't super close with
Speaker 1: Kelsey either. So I mean there's just a couple of girls.
Speaker 1: Not that I steered necessarily clear of them, but I
Speaker 1: could just tell, you know, we probably don't need to
Speaker 1: force anything as far as like trying to connect right well,
Speaker 1: was it, Tammy? Yeah? Tammy said something in this episode
Speaker 1: where she referenced that Sydney is a diva and Sydney
Speaker 1: has her posse and her click with her. Is that
Speaker 1: what you witnessed too, Because you said you weren't that
Speaker 1: close with Sydney. I mean I think that when you're yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean posse and click, I guess it could feel
Speaker 1: that way a little bit. But yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: got that vibe too. And again, like I'm my my
Speaker 1: own business. I'm not going to push anything, but I
Speaker 1: mean I can agree with Anny, like I kind of
Speaker 1: got that vibe. Was there anyone that you really were
Speaker 1: like this girl's not for me. She just is rubbing
Speaker 1: me the wrong way. I mean again, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me because I'm so unbothered, like no one can rub
Speaker 1: me the wrong way. But I just didn't get good vibes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from the whole Sydney situation, especially everything that happened with
Speaker 1: a Laya, I just wasn't getting good vibes. You're right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So when you say you're not getting good vibes, is
Speaker 1: it that you didn't agree? Because now you've you've gone
Speaker 1: back and you've watched it, so you've heard one thing.
Speaker 1: When you were there, I know you weren't pressing on
Speaker 1: the date, but you get back to the house and
Speaker 1: we all know how it goes. You were all chit
Speaker 1: chatting talking about it, like, girl, what happened? What she did? What. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would stay up all night just to hear those conversations.
Speaker 1: But you now have seen a laya versus Sydney and
Speaker 1: how the whole thing played out. Whose side are you
Speaker 1: on or what can you give us as far as
Speaker 1: some of the information we didn't see when it comes
Speaker 1: to Sydney basically calling Alia out, and then you kind
Speaker 1: of saw the trickle down effect of all the girls
Speaker 1: basically saying yeah, this is how la is. I personally
Speaker 1: liked Leia. I never got fake vibes from Alia, So
Speaker 1: when that whole situation happened, I was a little confused,
Speaker 1: like where was coming from? Like what made you feel like,
Speaker 1: what actual facts do you have that Leia is fake?
Speaker 1: So like watching it back and like seeing how Sydney
Speaker 1: approached it on the date, kind of it seemed like
Speaker 1: a little manipulative, like because I feel like Alia was
Speaker 1: really taken off guard because the whole d work thing
Speaker 1: that came out of left field for me. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the fact that someone didn't stand up and say,
Speaker 1: what does it have to do with anything? First off,
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with your love for Peter
Speaker 1: or your relationship with Peter. He's not looking for a
Speaker 1: sugar mama, doesn't matter what you do for work. That's
Speaker 1: just personally like that rubbed me the wrong way. I
Speaker 1: think that she should have gone directly to la first
Speaker 1: and just been like, hey, I think you're fake. This
Speaker 1: is why I think you're fake, Dada. Let's hash it
Speaker 1: out right here and then bring it up to Peter
Speaker 1: once it was resolved, or you know, whatever they decided
Speaker 1: to do, right, I like to go direct to the source. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same girl. I appreciate that. So in terms of then
Speaker 1: Alaia and Victoria Pee, we saw it play out a
Speaker 1: little bit where, you know, Victoria Pee mentioned that they
Speaker 1: weren't really friends, that they didn't know each other. Alia
Speaker 1: had said that they were, but they wanted to keep
Speaker 1: it under wraps in the house though, did they Did
Speaker 1: they come across as friends like they had known each
Speaker 1: other pretty well or what was that? Like? I didn't
Speaker 1: actually see them interact a whole lot, so I would
Speaker 1: have never assumed or excuse me, I would have never
Speaker 1: assumed anything. But I wasn't also paying attention to it
Speaker 1: because the whole Victoria Pe thing. For me, again, I
Speaker 1: wasn't really a part of that. Like I didn't get
Speaker 1: to see her conversations with Peter and everything happening. So
Speaker 1: but I mean, if she felt some type of way
Speaker 1: or something happened previously that was facts, then I have
Speaker 1: to respect that and be like, Okay, so maybe there
Speaker 1: was a situation that happened, but me and my take
Speaker 1: on it, I never thought Aliah was fake. So you
Speaker 1: were friendly with Leia? Did Alia ever mentioned to you
Speaker 1: that she was in the same paget with Victoria Pee,
Speaker 1: that they had traveled to Vegas together, that they were friendly.
Speaker 1: Were those conversations Ever had, especially when she got back before.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean she mentioned that they'd done pageants
Speaker 1: like obviously Miss Texas, Miss Louisiana, so you know they
Speaker 1: knew each other through that. But as far as like
Speaker 1: a Vegas trip or anything that, I never would have known. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: from the outside watching in Danne, it is a shit
Speaker 1: show and it's it is exhausted, and it's Becca and
Speaker 1: I were saying this, it's we have to detox. Becca
Speaker 1: has to take steps away, she has to break up
Speaker 1: watching the episode and we are only getting two hours
Speaker 1: of what is a week's worth of filming? Is this real?
Speaker 1: Is this? Was this your reality? When you were in
Speaker 1: it because we can only imagine. Please speak on what
Speaker 1: the atmosphere in the house was like. Please. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you guys are tired, I think I aged six
Speaker 1: years from this drama. I actually think I have gray
Speaker 1: hair now. I just ear yeah, I mean I'm getting
Speaker 1: gray hairs watching this exactly. I mean. The thing is,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why we spent so much time,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know why Peter spend so much time
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was going on here. I'm like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you decide whether or
Speaker 1: not you believe whoever speaking, and then take action based
Speaker 1: on that. I don't think we need to go ask
Speaker 1: everyone in the house their opinion, Peter. This is about
Speaker 1: you and a Layah. If you feel like she's fake
Speaker 1: or you feel like what she's saying is not true,
Speaker 1: you decide how you want to, you know, take care
Speaker 1: of this well. That you bring a good point up
Speaker 1: that I kind of want to lay her on top
Speaker 1: of that, because you know, I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: that drama took away from your individual time with Poper
Speaker 1: and your conversations, and so when you didn't hear your
Speaker 1: name and get that Rose what was going through your mind?
Speaker 1: How are you feeling in that moment? Were you more
Speaker 1: angry if like I, all of this time was just
Speaker 1: wasted on these girls bickering when it could have been
Speaker 1: like him actually getting to know me. Oh, I was furious.
Speaker 1: I mean it was more like confusion, like, Hey, you
Speaker 1: are on this journey to find you know, the woman
Speaker 1: who's for you. Why are we spending so much of
Speaker 1: this time on the same six girls trying to figure
Speaker 1: out about one girl's drama or like two girls drama
Speaker 1: instead of you have so many beautiful, smart, ambitious women here.
Speaker 1: Let's say screw the drama for a second. Let me
Speaker 1: get to know these other girls. It was like almost
Speaker 1: like he was rewarding the drama, Like I should have
Speaker 1: jumped in that drama. I should have been like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I know one of these girls from before
Speaker 1: just made something up so that he'd maybe pay attention
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know being for you right now,
Speaker 1: I think you said it perfectly. I agree with your sentiment,
Speaker 1: and I would probably be feeling the exact same way
Speaker 1: if I were you. You know, there are, as you said,
Speaker 1: so many beautiful, educated, sort girls, and that's not coming
Speaker 1: through half the time because it's just revolving around this
Speaker 1: craziness with these women. Did you this is I'm very
Speaker 1: interested to know. So did you Living in the house,
Speaker 1: of course, you can only see so much of Peter's
Speaker 1: interaction and time with these girls. There's a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when he's on the one on ones and in
Speaker 1: the alone conversations that he has that you miss out on.
Speaker 1: But were there girls at the forefront that you knew
Speaker 1: living with everyone? Like Okay, he's like these girls are
Speaker 1: going to the top, They're going to hometowns. Like he's
Speaker 1: definitely into a handful of them. Did you feel that ever?
Speaker 1: I did? I mean based on what I could see
Speaker 1: from chemistry like going on dates and stuff like that
Speaker 1: with a lot of the girls, Like of course you
Speaker 1: can see Hannah AND's chemistry. Of course, you can see
Speaker 1: that Kelly and him had the history, they have the chemistry,
Speaker 1: you know, Victorian pe like, they obviously have some kind
Speaker 1: of chemistry Madison right off the jump, like I could
Speaker 1: just tell that they had, you know, a connection. So
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, you know, like at the other day,
Speaker 1: like there's a couple of the girls that he feels
Speaker 1: more strongly attached to, but I never thought that it
Speaker 1: would take away from him still wanting to get to
Speaker 1: know the other girls, right, yeah, I mean watching back,
Speaker 1: I know how you felt about Peter when you were
Speaker 1: actually there, because you know we did. We mentioned this
Speaker 1: on the last podcast, but kudos to you and Natasha
Speaker 1: for stepping up and saying exactly how you feel. And
Speaker 1: then they scan the room of women and nobody else
Speaker 1: said anything. So I was like, good for them for speaking.
Speaker 1: What is the sentiment in the house at this point
Speaker 1: with all the drama, But so you felt about Peter
Speaker 1: one way. Now you're watching it, do you have the
Speaker 1: same feelings towards him? Do you empathize with him at all?
Speaker 1: Are you frustrated by his actions? I mean, it's his
Speaker 1: love story, so I want to empathize with him because
Speaker 1: if he really wants to get down to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it and you know, with whatever he's going through, great,
Speaker 1: But it's frustrating from my end because you know, why
Speaker 1: was I there? If you know you're not really that
Speaker 1: interested in I mean, looking at the other connections, I'm like,
Speaker 1: now I understand why I went home. You know, isn't
Speaker 1: on a table with my ankles up I wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: doing all this. I wasn't forehead touching and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I mean I was a little frustrated looking back
Speaker 1: on it, like, Okay, I mean you missed out on
Speaker 1: some really great people, and you know, missed out on me.
Speaker 1: I feel like you never really saw me. Um. But
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm really happy that Natasha and I
Speaker 1: finally got to say our piece. But obviously he wasn't
Speaker 1: too impressed because he sent me home right after a wait, wait,
Speaker 1: who was on a table with their ankles up? I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I missed that. I can't let that go. I
Speaker 1: can't let that go. Did we miss something? No, you
Speaker 1: already thought. I mean, I'm just kidding, but it's McKenna,
Speaker 1: you know, like when he picked up and put on
Speaker 1: the desk and ever in front of her because their
Speaker 1: ankles are like straight up. Oh, I'm sorry. That's hilarious though,
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. So Deandra, you know, like you just touched on.
Speaker 1: We didn't see all that much of you. We didn't
Speaker 1: hear your side of things. So this is why we're
Speaker 1: so happy to have you here today and get your take.
Speaker 1: Just through expression expressing this frustration is there anything that
Speaker 1: you wish when you were on the show that you
Speaker 1: would have done differently or changed. I think I wish
Speaker 1: I would have been more aggressive. I felt like my
Speaker 1: whole motto was if Peter has a connection with me,
Speaker 1: he has a natural connection with me. And I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, want to push anything. I want it to
Speaker 1: be as naturally forming as possible. But I guess I
Speaker 1: wish I would have been more aggressive because I see
Speaker 1: the other girls who were aggressive, and I guess he
Speaker 1: like really appreciated that, like, you know, showing affection, more affection,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of took a step back and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, like if he feels something with me, he's gonna,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be mutual. We're gonna, you know, meet
Speaker 1: each other halfway. But when they're thirty girls, you can't
Speaker 1: meet halfway. You're gonna have to take the extra step.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I wish I would have been
Speaker 1: more aggressive. But at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: the regrets, it as what it is. You know, we
Speaker 1: weren't made for each other, I guess, and that's just
Speaker 1: our story. Looking back now, does Pete feel like your type?
Speaker 1: Like outside of the show, if you were to meet
Speaker 1: him in a bar. Is he's somebody that you would
Speaker 1: gravitate towards and go for. I would say yes and no.
Speaker 1: He was very comforting and like we had good conversations.
Speaker 1: But now, looking back on the conversations that he's happen
Speaker 1: with other girls, I don't necessarily think that we had
Speaker 1: all that much in common. And he once told me
Speaker 1: his favorite comfort food was Kraft mac and cheese. And
Speaker 1: then once he said that, I just knew we weren't
Speaker 1: made for each other because I was like, homemade mac
Speaker 1: and cheese over Kraft mac and cheese. Sweetie, come on,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Hilarious love that, you know, coming
Speaker 1: to somebody who loves all every single type of mac
Speaker 1: and cheese imaginable. You know, I see both sides to
Speaker 1: that way. Oh wow, Becca, you're like dander and I clearly,
Speaker 1: apparently according to her, won't work out. Unfortunately, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I don't even like cheese. So I'm
Speaker 1: completely taken out between us. We all so you. I
Speaker 1: was shocked Deandrew to actually see you go home. I
Speaker 1: know we didn't see a lot of you, but you're
Speaker 1: gorgeous and I really appreciated you, like I said, stepping
Speaker 1: up and really expressing how you feel. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Peter does like a confident woman who says what's on
Speaker 1: her mind. And so I felt like, you know, we
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, there's so much we don't see.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if Peter got to see you.
Speaker 1: But oh, and then you killed it on the football field.
Speaker 1: I mean, thank god, come on, you were killing it.
Speaker 1: As a football fan, I was very very proud of you.
Speaker 1: So I was shocked. So how did you feel when
Speaker 1: your name wasn't called for a Rows? I was hurt,
Speaker 1: really hurt. The conversation that Peter and I had before
Speaker 1: I got sent home was not a I'm gonna send
Speaker 1: you home conversation. It was like, dander, I see you.
Speaker 1: You know, I see that you put an effort on
Speaker 1: the football field, because listen, I've never played tackle football before.
Speaker 1: But what I tell you, I gave it my all
Speaker 1: because I was like, maybe Peter will appreciate this, this
Speaker 1: is me putting forth effort. I just was shocked. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I mean if you don't see me
Speaker 1: after I led our team to meet halfway and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just was frustrated with the whole situation.
Speaker 1: I spoke my mind and I wanted him to hear me,
Speaker 1: and it didn't resonate well with him, I guess, and
Speaker 1: I just have to say it is what it is. Well,
Speaker 1: I think what's frustrating, and so please correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because I have to try to remind people. Yes,
Speaker 1: Becca and I have been on the Bachelor and then
Speaker 1: we've been Bachelorettes, but a lot of times people want
Speaker 1: us to assume what is done behind the scenes, and
Speaker 1: Becca and I are like, we can't do that if
Speaker 1: we weren't a part of that season. So we watch
Speaker 1: it as viewers and we critique the season in that way.
Speaker 1: So watching as a viewer, it is it was frustrating
Speaker 1: for us because it seems like there were so many
Speaker 1: of you who truly didn't get time with Peter. Is
Speaker 1: that really the was that really the case was really
Speaker 1: focused on just those certain you know, six seven girls
Speaker 1: that were with the drama? Or where are there things
Speaker 1: we just didn't get to see? I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of the conversations that you saw, like for instance, at
Speaker 1: the pool party, the conversations that he had that was
Speaker 1: really all he had, he didn't have time for the
Speaker 1: rest of us. I think they were like seven or
Speaker 1: eight girls that didn't get time, so it really was
Speaker 1: focused on a lot of the same girls. But and
Speaker 1: then again at the cocktail party when a layer returns,
Speaker 1: half of us didn't get time. So I mean, what
Speaker 1: you're seeing is kind of what you're getting, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, you're not seeing a couple of the
Speaker 1: conversations that are had at like dates and stuff where
Speaker 1: we really did get to connect with Peter, and so
Speaker 1: you don't get to see the rest of us develop
Speaker 1: those relationships that really were there, which is why we
Speaker 1: feel strongler why you see girls crying, they're not just
Speaker 1: crying because they're crying. They're crying because they have some
Speaker 1: sort of connection with Peter, and then when they don't
Speaker 1: get their time, they're frustrated in it. I will say
Speaker 1: I thought at one point, because because as you guys
Speaker 1: have touched on, there is so much that we just
Speaker 1: don't see that can't make it into the episodes. So
Speaker 1: of course, like some relationships are evolving even though we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see it because the drama takes it away.
Speaker 1: There was one point where I thought Natasha was just
Speaker 1: going to be like, screw this, I'm leaving, I'm going home.
Speaker 1: I'm over it. I would have bet money that she
Speaker 1: was just done and she would have just she was
Speaker 1: just ready to throw in the towel and be like
Speaker 1: this isn't worth it, Like I'm not progressing my relationship.
Speaker 1: He's only fed up in this drama. So you know,
Speaker 1: there I had the moment where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this girl's leaving, She's sending herself home. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: Natasha actually had a really good relationship with Peter. She
Speaker 1: was one of the girls that was continuously getting times,
Speaker 1: so I think that's why she was also really frustrated.
Speaker 1: She was frustrated for the rest of us that didn't
Speaker 1: get time and how right, you know, Ala came back
Speaker 1: and like the dramas continued, So she was right in
Speaker 1: her frustrations. But she really did have a connection with Peter.
Speaker 1: So I mean, as much as she was frustrated, I
Speaker 1: don't think she would ever want to send herself home.
Speaker 1: There's so many different feuds to ask you about. I
Speaker 1: think we've covered heard most of them, but I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you, what do you think about Victoria f And
Speaker 1: that's you know, I was never close with Victoria F
Speaker 1: and the house. So again, like there was a couple
Speaker 1: of girls that I just wasn't close to just because naturally,
Speaker 1: like we timed out with different people or we were
Speaker 1: never on the same dates. To me, Victoria F was
Speaker 1: really quiet. She was more of like the reserved girl.
Speaker 1: And then when I was on the Revolve date with her,
Speaker 1: which I somehow didn't make it into that date at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know how that happens. You know,
Speaker 1: I got to see her open up a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, she tried to put herself out there by
Speaker 1: wearing the lingerie and everything like that. But I mean
Speaker 1: mainly I saw Victoria F as like the quiet girl,
Speaker 1: reserved and then a moment she would like snap. But
Speaker 1: that's like the most I got out of it because
Speaker 1: I never really interacted with her all that much. Did
Speaker 1: Alaia tell everybody in the house about what happened on
Speaker 1: Victoria F's date or how did that circulate throughout the house,
Speaker 1: So it never really did circulate me, Like, so I
Speaker 1: remember the exact moment that Victoria F found out, but
Speaker 1: I never heard directly from a LA about the chase.
Speaker 1: Rice situation, So I don't know who exactly she told
Speaker 1: it directly too, that it trickled on or trickled out.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, I don't really
Speaker 1: understand why it was such a big deal, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, everyone was going
Speaker 1: to find out eventually, or you know, the outside world
Speaker 1: probably already knew. But you know, maybe Victoria f had
Speaker 1: told her not to say anything, or maybe someone had
Speaker 1: mentioned to La, don't say anything, but I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't really understand why that was taken to a different level,
Speaker 1: the moment that Champagne was taken to a different level.
Speaker 1: Everything in that house is exaggerated, all right, right, every
Speaker 1: level object is going to be blown out of proportion
Speaker 1: in future episodes and seasons. I'm just calling it. Love it.
Speaker 1: So it's going to steal from the pen and we're
Speaker 1: going to have the sense one home over it penate
Speaker 1: pen in every penates. It sounds like that you escape. Really,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should call it a bad
Speaker 1: thing because it sounds like you got away. And as
Speaker 1: we know, there are other opportunities that come about in
Speaker 1: this Bachelor franchise. I mean, dare we say it, Becca,
Speaker 1: But there's paradise, paradise, how would you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I would definitely be open to paradise. And
Speaker 1: I think that having multiple people that you can potentially
Speaker 1: be interested in and you know, get to know, it's
Speaker 1: a lot better than just having one, since everyone has
Speaker 1: such different personalities, right, And at least with paradise, it's
Speaker 1: not just one person that everyone's vying for, is you said?
Speaker 1: But both the men and the women can take take
Speaker 1: the power in their hands, if you will, and they
Speaker 1: both have the opportunity to hand out roses. And so
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying that right now. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see you on that beach. Oh I would love
Speaker 1: to see me on that beach too, Honey. Are there
Speaker 1: any guys that you would like to see on the beach?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just keep a really open mind, Like
Speaker 1: there's no one that I mean that I'm like super
Speaker 1: dead set on. But I mean obviously like Tyler C's
Speaker 1: really cute. Okay, anybody else? Anybody else, but go ahead
Speaker 1: and name of they might be listening. So let's just
Speaker 1: shoot you shot now? Who else? Yeah, there's too much,
Speaker 1: let's start. I can't let's start planning seeds. Let's start
Speaker 1: planning some seeds. I mean, there are a whole new
Speaker 1: crop of guys that will see come from the Bachelorette season,
Speaker 1: so those will be are those, they will be in
Speaker 1: Paradise as well, but anybody else, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I'd have to wait for the fresh batch of guys
Speaker 1: because I feel, like, you know, Bachelation, I've one kind
Speaker 1: of recycles within. I'm like, I don't know stage coach
Speaker 1: was going to be such an issue. I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: Deander wants the fresh meat that has not been teaching.
Speaker 1: I do, I do. Are you a fan of country music.
Speaker 1: I'm actually not the biggest fan of country respect I
Speaker 1: respect it, but I'm not like by hard huge fan. Deanne,
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. You're already going to be a leg up
Speaker 1: ahead of many of the coast will be there. Let
Speaker 1: me just please just don't. We sat on Paradise last year,
Speaker 1: so many alliances were formed and people like budding up
Speaker 1: and what am I saying? Buddying, button butting and betting
Speaker 1: up is correct? Actually we thought all happened prior to
Speaker 1: actual Paradise, which I think made it a little bit
Speaker 1: tainted for us viewers, So please, as you said, just
Speaker 1: keep an open mind because I would love to see
Speaker 1: like a true authentic connection unfold. That's just myself. No,
Speaker 1: I respect that, and I kind of like that. I
Speaker 1: don't like the tainted this before because I'm like, if
Speaker 1: we all have history, why are we here. Hey, we
Speaker 1: might be a beat outside of paradise. And as two
Speaker 1: big sisters who've been through, we have been a paradise,
Speaker 1: but we've been through our our own season. Say we've
Speaker 1: been on the Bachelor. There will be plenty of guys
Speaker 1: from past seasons and for this upcoming season that will
Speaker 1: slide into your DMS, so you know, just be prepared.
Speaker 1: Just slightly pushed them away and said, I say, I'll
Speaker 1: see you on the beach. On the beach, can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that advice. I will take that advice
Speaker 1: to heart. Before we let you go, what like kind
Speaker 1: of catch our listeners up as to what you've been
Speaker 1: up to, what you've been doing since the show has ended.
Speaker 1: I mean since the show has ended, I mean life
Speaker 1: kind of resumed as normal. Right now. I'm in the
Speaker 1: transition stage of like moving on from what I was
Speaker 1: doing before to hopefully going into a new career path
Speaker 1: because I was a care coordinator before and I just
Speaker 1: kind of want to transition into like a different industry,
Speaker 1: maybe sales or something like that. So I've just been
Speaker 1: working on, you know, my career and focusing on myself
Speaker 1: definitely not dating. That's why I keep it, keep the
Speaker 1: beach right. I'm just I just like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to force anything. I'm not gonna put myself out there.
Speaker 1: If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't,
Speaker 1: I'll see on the beach. If not, um, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I've been like taking time to focus on myself and
Speaker 1: work on being a better person being and you know,
Speaker 1: I M Dondra. Do you still talk to some of
Speaker 1: the girls from this oh chat? Oh? Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: y'all have that group chat. That group chat is popping,
Speaker 1: don't lie. Do we have a group chat? I never
Speaker 1: confirmed or denied that we. Okay, well, you know what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I was actually gonna say something
Speaker 1: really messy. I was gonna say, you know what, y'all
Speaker 1: probably don't because the theme, and this is what I'm
Speaker 1: going to name episode five is I am not here
Speaker 1: to make friends, and that it aems to be the
Speaker 1: theme of this episode and your entire season. So I
Speaker 1: actually would be shocked if y'all did have one. Y'all
Speaker 1: probably have about five or six. There's so much trauma
Speaker 1: between so many girls that I can't imagine all twenty
Speaker 1: eight or thirty, however many getting into one. That just
Speaker 1: seems chaotic. Before we let you go, we have to
Speaker 1: play a game with you, as we like to do
Speaker 1: with our guest. So we're gonna play a really quick
Speaker 1: game where we're going to read a sentence and then
Speaker 1: you fill in the blank when we read the sentence. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't hold back, say the first thing that comes to
Speaker 1: your mind. Are you ready, Deandra, Yes, ma'am. Okay. First one,
Speaker 1: after the show, the first thing I did was came home,
Speaker 1: hugged my family, and traveled too. I went to Maine
Speaker 1: to see my mom. Maine. I've always wanted to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that off air. Okay. Next up, who
Speaker 1: I missed the most from home was my big sister, Danika.
Speaker 1: She's my best friend. Oh, I feel that. I like that.
Speaker 1: I think I missed my sister the most too. Yes,
Speaker 1: whoever is listening, she's a winner. You are a winner. Okay, yea.
Speaker 1: Since we didn't get to see these conversations on air,
Speaker 1: we're having them right now. Okay. One thing I regret
Speaker 1: while while being on the show was I'm not showing
Speaker 1: more of my personality or being more agressive. H hey,
Speaker 1: well again, Paradise get all. You can be as aggressive
Speaker 1: on that beach as you want. Girls exactly, all right? Next,
Speaker 1: where are we? Uh? Watching the show back has been
Speaker 1: interesting and makes a lot of sense now mmmm, well said,
Speaker 1: all right, these girls are my blank these girls are
Speaker 1: my I mean all of them, Yeah, just the girls
Speaker 1: as a whole. These girls are my I feel like
Speaker 1: it's like sister wives. Okay. I was going to say
Speaker 1: the cause of gray hairs, but that's true. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say phreenemies. But you know, given you know them
Speaker 1: better than we do all Rachel with the jade. Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say something else and then I that
Speaker 1: was it. That was the nice. Next one, next one,
Speaker 1: my last, oh my last rose ceremony was disappointing. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel that all right. Something I learned about myself
Speaker 1: on the show is that I need alone time to
Speaker 1: be able to connect with my thoughts. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: the one thing. How hard was that for you to
Speaker 1: always constantly be having to be with the girls and
Speaker 1: the producers and in the interviews everything. For me, I
Speaker 1: grew up with eleven siblings, so like I was just
Speaker 1: used to naturally being around a lot of people. Um,
Speaker 1: but like having that alone time with like you know
Speaker 1: where you're secluded and you know, take time to yourself,
Speaker 1: it was really beneficial to like recharge. Yes, oh one, Um,
Speaker 1: I hope Peter picks I love a side. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at this point, I hope he picked Hannah Be because
Speaker 1: the amount of times that she would showing up, Like,
Speaker 1: I hope that you guys, you were on the date
Speaker 1: when Hannah Be came. No, I wasn't on the date. Okay,
Speaker 1: when you found out that she showed up, what were
Speaker 1: your thoughts? What was the feeling in the house and
Speaker 1: start there. So when she showed up the first time
Speaker 1: to give him back his wings, I was like, great,
Speaker 1: this is really beneficial for him helping move on. When
Speaker 1: she showed up the second time, I was still like Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but I just can't respect the conversation that they had.
Speaker 1: Seeing it after they aired, I'm like, don't come back
Speaker 1: and you know, say, did I make a mistake and
Speaker 1: have Peter question his ability to look at us as potential,
Speaker 1: you know, fiances or relationships that he wants to have.
Speaker 1: So once it crossed that line of like what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Did I make a mistake? That's where I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, Hannah, you don't need to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: but did you blame Hannah or Peter? Because and I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: like we're so digging deep that you are the first
Speaker 1: guests that we've had or the first girl that we've
Speaker 1: had from the season, and I do really want to
Speaker 1: know your perspective of what it was like to know
Speaker 1: that you put your life on hold to come be
Speaker 1: on Peters season. And then Hannah shows up and then
Speaker 1: you see she only heard about it before. Now you've
Speaker 1: seen their intimate conversation. Really, what were your thoughts and
Speaker 1: what is the group chat saying? What group chat? I
Speaker 1: at first when she's coming back, I respect it because
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like if you can look at
Speaker 1: your ex and still want to move on and find happiness,
Speaker 1: that shows true growth. So like that's fine with me.
Speaker 1: If she wanted to hang around, that's fine, But just
Speaker 1: knowing that I put my life on the line, and
Speaker 1: then seeing the conversation that they're having about you know,
Speaker 1: both her and Peter, like did we make mistakes? I
Speaker 1: can't respect that because there's thirty girls out here who
Speaker 1: literally stopped their lives to come out here and try
Speaker 1: to find a connection with you, Peter. But did you
Speaker 1: and so in that instance, did you question Peter and
Speaker 1: like if he was truly ready to me oh, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's definitely both like I mean, Hannah be
Speaker 1: coming back, but then Peter also like taking her in
Speaker 1: and saying, well, like let's even allowing that conversation. I
Speaker 1: did look at Peter like do you know what you want?
Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, that's one of the
Speaker 1: things I did ask him when we had our last
Speaker 1: conversation before I got sent home. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you're here for a reason, Like what do
Speaker 1: you want? Like do you want a girl who's going
Speaker 1: to be in the drama? Do you want you know,
Speaker 1: pass relationships? What do you want? Right? What? Peter? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who do you feel? Okay, last question? Who do you feel?
Speaker 1: Was more to blame with that conversation, Hannah or Peter?
Speaker 1: I think Hannah because I think she knows the control
Speaker 1: that she has a repeater. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: a girl knows when a guy has feelings for her still,
Speaker 1: and you know, she saw the way that he acted
Speaker 1: the first night and how he meant so much for
Speaker 1: her to come back and give the wings, and then
Speaker 1: seeing him that day, I mean you can tell, you
Speaker 1: can tell that he's torn. So I feel like I
Speaker 1: blayed Hannah mainly for bringing up those feelings again for him,
Speaker 1: because he's obviously trying to move on and she's just
Speaker 1: like bringing back those feelings. Okay, No, you sound like No,
Speaker 1: you sound like you you have an opinion. I want
Speaker 1: to hear. Oh, I've already given my opinion on it.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought it was selfish for her to
Speaker 1: come back. So thank you for giving us the inside
Speaker 1: scoop and your opinion. We will now resume the game again.
Speaker 1: So the next question is nice question. I hope on
Speaker 1: women tell all blank, everyone tells each other exactly how
Speaker 1: they feel with them getting their feelings hurt. That is
Speaker 1: so good team. Maybe maybe I hope happens. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If THEA I think people will definitely get their feeling hurt.
Speaker 1: That is going to be one long women tell all
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh, I'll be there, but can I please
Speaker 1: be in the audience, Becky'll tour, damn it, I'll represent
Speaker 1: for both of us. I will be there sip and tea.
Speaker 1: Actually no, I'm gonna be some a little stronger than that,
Speaker 1: but I'm wine. You need to be texting me, all right, Okay,
Speaker 1: next one, we got two more laught for you. Cheers
Speaker 1: to blank, cheers to finding love and finding not love. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: all right, and last one up next for me is blank.
Speaker 1: Up next for me is everything. Um. I feel like
Speaker 1: the future is just so undecided for me right now.
Speaker 1: So that's what's up for next is like figuring out
Speaker 1: what my next step is in relationships and life and
Speaker 1: work and everything. Insert Paradise theme song here. I love that.
Speaker 1: Um Okay, Well, de Andrew, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us on the podcast. Thank you for being open
Speaker 1: and honest. You know, we like to create a safe
Speaker 1: space where people can feel free just talk, you know,
Speaker 1: say things that you haven't had the opportunity to say before,
Speaker 1: and we thank you for doing that. We definitely are
Speaker 1: excited for everything that's to come for you. This guy
Speaker 1: is the limit. We can't wait to watch you on
Speaker 1: the beaches of Paradise. Hopefully, hopefully you're in the first
Speaker 1: or second group that comes, because that's like the suit
Speaker 1: spot to be in. We'll just go ahead and put
Speaker 1: that out there. Hopefully the producers are listening. But yes,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. No, thank you
Speaker 1: guys so much for hotting we. I don't want to leave.
Speaker 1: I wish we could just stay on the phone. But
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being so understanding and listening
Speaker 1: to me and hearing me. I love it. Of course, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you. We can't wait to see what is ahead
Speaker 1: for you because I feel like it's amazing, amazing things.
Speaker 1: Let's hope. Thanks Andra, of course. By guys, all right,
Speaker 1: so you know what time it is, Becca, It is
Speaker 1: time where the cats and rats of the week. There
Speaker 1: are some cats and some rats. M I'll kick this
Speaker 1: one off. So for the cat, I'm given it to
Speaker 1: my girl, Kelly. She's clearly my favorite at this point,
Speaker 1: I guess because I just feel like I relate to
Speaker 1: her on so many levels just watching her on the
Speaker 1: season or the lack of seeing her on the season.
Speaker 1: She just stays away from the drama. So yes, giving
Speaker 1: it to Kelly. I like that we were able to
Speaker 1: see a little bit more of what she's going through
Speaker 1: and what she's thinking. Happy, she had a rose. Happy,
Speaker 1: we will see her again next week. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give my rat the kelsey. That was a rat move
Speaker 1: for her to sneak off and go see Peter. Didn't
Speaker 1: tell anybody what she was doing, to tell Peter what
Speaker 1: was being said in the house when that information had
Speaker 1: not been relayed to Peter, and who knows if it
Speaker 1: ever would have gotten to Peter. We don't know. So
Speaker 1: the fact that she used that, whenever you do that,
Speaker 1: it's very manipulative. And she knew what she was doing,
Speaker 1: and she was trying to put a dagger in Tammy's back,
Speaker 1: and she kind of did. I mean, Tammy got a rose,
Speaker 1: but she kind of did. M Okay, Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: gonna give two different girls. I'm gonna disagree a little
Speaker 1: bit here. I want to start first with my rat
Speaker 1: of the week because I want to end on a
Speaker 1: high note with the cat. So my rat this week,
Speaker 1: as much as I was rooting for her, is going
Speaker 1: to go to Tammy because of I think the way
Speaker 1: she vocalized her issues to Peter and the rest, but
Speaker 1: mainly to the way she didn't vocalize because in the
Speaker 1: scenario where Kelsey's asking who said this? Who said these things?
Speaker 1: Don't Tammy just kind of sat back, and in that moment,
Speaker 1: I wish she would have taken initiative because we're all
Speaker 1: going to see it. It's all on camera, and I
Speaker 1: wish she would have just said it was me. And
Speaker 1: I said that because of x y Z. There was
Speaker 1: a lack of initiative there and I wanted to see more.
Speaker 1: And I just also don't think it was her place
Speaker 1: to throw around drinking problems and pill problems. So I
Speaker 1: will leave it at that. But my cat is going
Speaker 1: to somebody who people might not think because she unfortunately
Speaker 1: went home. But I'm going to give it to Sanne
Speaker 1: because the entire season she tried to play fair. She
Speaker 1: just wanted that time with Peter and always unfortunately fell short.
Speaker 1: There was always something in her way. But from everything
Speaker 1: that I saw, she seemed like a sweetheart. Her heart
Speaker 1: seemed to be in the right place. But I also
Speaker 1: appreciate that she left Peter with just keep an eye out,
Speaker 1: just like follow your heart, listening to yourself, but just
Speaker 1: know that like you deserve love and I know that
Speaker 1: you're trying to follow your heart, but just be aware
Speaker 1: of something's happening. And so I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: to Shanne this week. That was really good. I cannot
Speaker 1: disagree with you on those very good Well, thank you Rachel.
Speaker 1: All right, well that is all for us this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning in. This has
Speaker 1: been a crazy season, but it's also been fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It's been frustrating, but I don't know, it's also been
Speaker 1: entertaining at the same time. So make sure you come
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