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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told you a protective of iHeartRadio. And we have

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Speaker 1: a slightly longer bit of an update for this classic

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Speaker 1: because this weekend is Father's Day, so we're bringing back

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Speaker 1: a sort of more recent classic on the sad Murdered

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Speaker 1: Dad trope, which is one of my favorites. It does

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Speaker 1: discuss grief and loss, though, so if that's not your thing,

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Speaker 1: I totally understand.

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Speaker 2: I hear you, I see you.

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Speaker 1: But as I was lying awake a couple of nights ago,

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Speaker 1: as I'm bound to do, I started to think about

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Speaker 1: the gendering of Father's Day and Mother's Day. I started

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Speaker 1: to think about how Mother's Day is so much like

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Speaker 1: flowers and let's go get brunch because you the idea

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Speaker 1: being you normally cook, and so this is your day

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Speaker 1: off that you get breakfast in bed, and this is

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Speaker 1: your day off, which, by the way, Mother's Day I

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Speaker 1: haven't researched these numbers recently, but was before the pandemic

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Speaker 1: the biggest day for brunch, and then Bother's Day is

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Speaker 1: like this is the day the one day that you

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Speaker 1: do cook when you grill out and you get you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of compliments for that. And also I want

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Speaker 1: to bring this one back because now a lot of

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Speaker 1: you have seen or heard about the Last of Us,

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Speaker 1: and this is very much like kind of a single

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Speaker 1: dad doing his best midlife crisis. The same with the Mandalorian.

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Speaker 1: That's what all these articles coming out were like. This

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Speaker 1: But I did briefly research it, and I found this

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Speaker 1: article from the Atlantic. And I want to be very

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Speaker 1: clear here before I read some of these quotes. This

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Speaker 1: is about in specific, okay, like greeting cards we buy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here's a quote in card world, mothers do everything

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Speaker 1: and fathers are an afterthought. The messaging isn't subtle either.

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Speaker 1: Some cards are very clear about which parent is considered

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Speaker 1: more important. Happy Mother's Day to a woman who does

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Speaker 1: it all, read one card. You work, you cook, you clean,

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Speaker 1: you nurture, you crazy. But the woman on the inside

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Speaker 1: of the card has a happy enough expression, even though

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Speaker 1: each of her limbs is engaged in a different task.

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Speaker 1: A month later, I found a Father's Day card that

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Speaker 1: said Father's Day is in June. Because about a month

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Speaker 1: after Mother's Day, somebody went.

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Speaker 2: Hey, wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: In reality, it took much longer. President Woodrow Wilson declared

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Speaker 1: Mother's Day at national US holiday in nineteen fourteen. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't until nineteen seventy two that President Nixon made Father's

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Speaker 1: Day official. And then the article, which I highly recommend,

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Speaker 1: goes into things like the number one dad, as if

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Speaker 1: the dad needs a reward, but it never specifies why.

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Speaker 2: Here's a quote.

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Speaker 1: It's never quite clear to me what the dad is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be relaxing from. And it's kind of the

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Speaker 1: difference of the mother is hiding away from her family

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Speaker 1: on this day and finally taking a break, whereas this

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Speaker 1: is the day the father does spend with his family. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is in card world. This is like stereotypes and generalizations,

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Speaker 1: but it's more, this is what we're saying in these

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Speaker 1: even said, like studies have shown fathers have been doing

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Speaker 1: more and more work. It still is more and more

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Speaker 1: work in the domestic sphere, but it is still weighted

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Speaker 1: towards women. But also women you know, have entered the

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Speaker 1: very like old traditional stereotypes too. It also implies like

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Speaker 1: But then I found a whole other thing which I

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Speaker 1: there is a non binary Parent's Day April eighteenth, and

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Speaker 1: there are petitions for mother and Father's Day to become

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Speaker 1: just parents' Day, to you know, lessen these gendered stereotypes

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Speaker 3: That would be easier for the visits as such, right

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's just it

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Speaker 2: They're pretty harmful.

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Speaker 1: And as all these articles I read, and I'll say

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Speaker 1: I just think it's like worth asking these questions.

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Speaker 3: Right again, And then we talk about the fact that

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Speaker 3: the majority of those holidays are Hallmark led anyway, sell

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Speaker 1: You know, they're wanting you to split it up, so

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Speaker 1: just thought i'd bring this back, And if anyone has

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Speaker 1: any thoughts about this, please write in and let us know.

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Speaker 2: But in the.

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Speaker 1: Meantime, enjoy my very on brand discussion of my favorite

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite tropes, the sad Murdered Dad, Murder Dad.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 1: I'm welcome to Steph I never told you production of iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: and it is time for another hour. Despite the name,

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Speaker 1: I think this one's going to be mostly a happy hour.

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Speaker 2: Or at least like a not own happy hour, even

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Speaker 2: though we are going to talk about grief but not

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Speaker 2: much on much the okay hour then.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I think it's gonna be like the kind

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Speaker 1: of enjoyable ranting hour. But okay, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: into it. But if you don't, me maybe. So it's

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Speaker 1: always with these segments. Drink responsibly. Uh, And what are

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Speaker 3: You know how we talked about trying to switch up

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Speaker 3: our drinks again, but we still have our faves. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm drinking a fave. So I'm drinking my vino verde

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Speaker 3: from Trader Joe's not a sponsor unless they want to

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Speaker 3: give me a case of this wine because I really

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Speaker 3: like it. But yeah, I'm just sticking with that today.

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Speaker 1: It sounds nice, sounds refreshing.

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Speaker 3: It is light and refreshing and happily.

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Speaker 1: It is Okay. Well, I kind of had a similar

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Speaker 1: issue again. So last time I made like a gin

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Speaker 1: I believe I've told this story before, but I have

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Speaker 1: a friend who Katie, who is on our episode about

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Speaker 1: She has started to bring desserts and snacks and things

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Speaker 2: But I'm like you, maybe you'll want them.

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Speaker 1: One day and she flied out told me, I'm never

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Speaker 2: Take that, Katie, I love it. Yes, So today we

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned before the sad murdered Dad trope, and I

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Speaker 1: know this sounds kind of dark, but the timing of

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Speaker 1: this is say anniversary of my dad's death. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, I feel like, in the years since

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Speaker 1: he's died, I still have occasions where I just get

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Speaker 1: so so sad. And one of the things I do

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Speaker 1: on the anniversary of his death is I watched Star Wars,

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Speaker 1: which of course we love Star Wars together. We watched

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Speaker 1: O Wars together. I can't hear opi Wan without hearing him.

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Speaker 1: And the sad murdered Dad trope is I first heard

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Speaker 1: of it about Darth Vader, so he's the original sad

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Speaker 1: I did find this letter he wrote me. I have

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Speaker 1: not opened it yet. I still haven't opened it. I

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Speaker 1: can't do it. I'm going to, but it just feels

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Speaker 1: like it's gonna be such a big before and after, Like,

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Speaker 2: It could possibly be.

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Speaker 1: Like legal documents and I really need them. I was

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Speaker 2: I was so angry.

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Speaker 1: I just just like, I've never opened this, and now

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of sad because who knows what's in there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it would have.

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Speaker 1: Been important and changed our relationship, but too bad, I

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Speaker 2: I will open it. I will, but not today, not

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Speaker 2: for me, not for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Even though I said I was gonna do it on

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Speaker 1: Father's Day and I never did, and I said I

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Speaker 1: I've like picked it up and held it and almost

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Speaker 1: opened it several times and then right like no I can't,

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Speaker 3: You take your time.

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Speaker 1: It just it does feel like it's going to be

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Speaker 3: Right, It's definitely, no matter what, it's your dad's words

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Speaker 3: to you who you have meant seeing because he passed

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Speaker 3: That's you know, that's obviously so you like could be

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Speaker 3: absolutely that makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it does. I just I have this like

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Speaker 1: I have to read it. I have to read it

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Speaker 1: like I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: Be able to work or I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And again it could just be like legal documents.

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Speaker 2: Who knows. And I almost got you to read it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you open it and you tell me

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Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see it's sitting there taunting me. It's

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Speaker 1: and I did go home. I went home to see

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Speaker 1: my mom last weekend, and every time I go home,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty like the memories are just everywhere. And then

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Speaker 1: I've never been to visit his grave, and every time

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Speaker 1: day I'll visit it. But all of this to say,

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Speaker 1: So I am going to talk about the sad murdered

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Speaker 1: I could be totally wrong, but it's just like we

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Speaker 3: I don't know because I haven't read the fan fiction.

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Speaker 1: Again, I just feel like we're so much more ready

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Speaker 1: always excited to talk about these topics. So thank you

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Speaker 1: and cheers, cheers to sad murdered dead murder, cheers to

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Speaker 1: favorite shows