WEBVTT - Built To Sink US Ships:  Mike Lyons Talks To Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>We have a majority of our f twenty two and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty fives in Alaska. Do we have a defense system

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<v Speaker 1>up there that will protect them with regards to to

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<v Speaker 1>cruise missiles hypersonic cruise missiles that are actually currently coastal

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<v Speaker 1>defense cruise missiles in Russia, I have significantcerns about my

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<v Speaker 1>ability to defend those assets. We're we're probably I think

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<v Speaker 1>five years behind UH in terms of where the Chinese are.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't mind failing in tests. We have this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that we got to get it exactly right and every

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<v Speaker 1>test has to be a success. They have a series

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<v Speaker 1>of failures, each of one of which they learned something

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<v Speaker 1>that's really interesting right there. So that was some part

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<v Speaker 1>of a hearing right there in which a congress person

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<v Speaker 1>was asking, you know, our best planes where they're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there in Alaska, can we protect those from No, we can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the fact that we're five years behind in

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<v Speaker 1>the hypersonic missile technology because we're scared to test and

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<v Speaker 1>fail as opposed to the way Russia and China would

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<v Speaker 1>look at it, for instance. So specific questions and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cultural questions for my clients. Military analysts might serve

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<v Speaker 1>with various military organizations for the United States, uh in, Iraq, Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout his career, he's a respected analyst for a number

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<v Speaker 1>of networks and websites My clients, are you sir, Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>great to be back. So what's your reaction to those clips?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you up on this topic? Yeah? So, so hypersonics

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole. We could argue that where they're really overhyped.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there are clearly the threat of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, missiles flying at mark five, they're they're indefensible,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the issue, and there's nothing that we

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<v Speaker 1>have that can shoot them down. And you know, they've

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<v Speaker 1>allowed Russia and China to declare some kind of superiority

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<v Speaker 1>over the US, and I think there's you know, culture

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<v Speaker 1>and the Pentagon they go kind of so what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a billion dollar locket contract to develop hypersonic weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>But but at the end of the day, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it still doesn't stop the nuclear deterrance that

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<v Speaker 1>we have against both of those countries. Um, China develop

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<v Speaker 1>hypersonic missiles for one reason and one reason only, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the sink US carrier. Right, So hypersonic missiles, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a math equation, right, you take Chinese satellite, you combine

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<v Speaker 1>them with Chinese over the horizon radar, and you layer

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<v Speaker 1>a hypersonic missile into there, and that it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a bad day for the U. S. Navy because there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that the Navy can do to shoot that missile

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<v Speaker 1>down and defend that carrier, which is the whole purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of the U. S. Navies defend their carriers. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why they did it. That's why they want those hypersonic missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>They're more tactical, they don't have any real strategic value,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's to reach for them to go from that.

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<v Speaker 1>That Russia Alaska thing is okay, that's a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's you know, you're attacking our home land

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. I think every equation changes. If Russia

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<v Speaker 1>decides to attack US with hypersonic missiles into into Alaska,

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<v Speaker 1>into those of the revis that's you know, now that

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<v Speaker 1>you said stated out loud, that's obviously a decent point.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if we're backing down from putin from long

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<v Speaker 1>range missiles that might reach Russia because we are afraid

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<v Speaker 1>he would use his nukes, well, then hell yeah, obliterating

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<v Speaker 1>our air force would be yeah, game on. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Yeah, so so it changes things now

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<v Speaker 1>the missile's technology in some ways it's fifty years old,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not you know. And what they're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>is make them faster, make them better to communicate the

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<v Speaker 1>problem we have and the testing is that they go

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<v Speaker 1>so fast that we lose communication with them. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to missile just you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>flying out there knowing not where it's going. Um, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why you have to layer in that again the

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<v Speaker 1>satellite technology, the radar and and hit certain points in

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<v Speaker 1>order to make to make them accurate. But but we

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<v Speaker 1>had anabolistic missile treaties back in the seventies and eighties

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<v Speaker 1>and they were somewhat good. Um. But now that we've

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<v Speaker 1>just they're all gone. Now they've all been, they've all

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<v Speaker 1>been you know, taken away salt once salt to all

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<v Speaker 1>those things. We destroyed, our pershings. Those were considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be the kind of missile technology. But um, i'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to for us the countries to kind of sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about it all because they are they do threaten,

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<v Speaker 1>they threaten more Europe and Asian they do. United States.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the more general comment that was made about

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<v Speaker 1>our capacity for in a patient. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>of that? Yeah, I think that that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>industrial military complex, you know that that we do things

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<v Speaker 1>in silos and historic and culturally. What we end up

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<v Speaker 1>doing is we get bloodied initially if something happens, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why show thing back to the Chinese. The Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>want to bloody us, you know, and think that they

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<v Speaker 1>were not going to respond to it. But that whole

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<v Speaker 1>expression about what happened during Pearl Harbor, the Japanese of

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<v Speaker 1>awoke on a sleeping giant, that that's really what the

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<v Speaker 1>US really is all about. Because what ends up happening is,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say something does happen, we we suffer some great

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<v Speaker 1>defeat like that on the technology or so everyone stops

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing, they clear their desks. The next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've got some technology out in ninety days

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to better than everybody else's. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that in a lot of ways that the pace of that,

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the way the equipment gets developed and

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<v Speaker 1>the technology gets developed in the US. Sure they don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to fail, that's all part of it, but they

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<v Speaker 1>all just want to get the next contract, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about billions and dollars of contracts. Then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>luck he doesn't want to get fired, so that they

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<v Speaker 1>bring in somebody else to do that same work. Mill

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<v Speaker 1>Terry analyst Mike Lions on the line, Mike, total change

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<v Speaker 1>the topic. Um, say and ben a flag? Not unless

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<v Speaker 1>you have a shotgun you're prepared to use it? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Mike, what if the Iran announces we have a

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<v Speaker 1>functioning nuclear weapon. We've got it on top of the missile.

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<v Speaker 1>We are now a nuclear power. What happens next? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an Israeli issue. Frankly, that's proxy one number two

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<v Speaker 1>that will take place in the world. Um, because the

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<v Speaker 1>Israelities are not going to put up with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you go back to one when they took out

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<v Speaker 1>the Iraqi capability at Osterrick, they took up the steering capability. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>If Uranians are dumb enough to come online with that

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<v Speaker 1>and and think they're going to parade around with that

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<v Speaker 1>and think they're going to get cover from Russi, our

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<v Speaker 1>China or something, um stuck in to work. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>we would you know, you saw the president say something

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<v Speaker 1>that can't I don't know what he kind of really

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<v Speaker 1>actually said, we're not going to go to war with

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<v Speaker 1>the run over it. But the Israelis well, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll mobilize everything, they'll do all they can. You'll see

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<v Speaker 1>first probably the cyber war first. You you won't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>see things connectic, let's say, because if they strike, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be something that they know that they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get and they're gonna they're gonna, you know, take

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<v Speaker 1>out that government. Let's say, it's going to be a real,

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<v Speaker 1>real regional conflict. But um, it's an Israeli a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So I heard it suggested that that would immediately cause

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<v Speaker 1>an arms race in the Middle East, and the Saudis

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<v Speaker 1>would demand nukes, and the UI E etcetera, etcetera. But

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<v Speaker 1>you still seem to think it wouldn't get that far.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, I think it already has. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think in some ways, well, I think these realities

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<v Speaker 1>would try to take care of the problem first. And

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<v Speaker 1>but but if it if it's not done right away,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, there's no question. I do think that that

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna happen. I think the studies are gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>nukes and and you know, you can argue that if

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has nukes, no one will attack you the terms

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<v Speaker 1>that would take place there. But but but the Iranians

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<v Speaker 1>have said that they would use that capability on the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why they're you know, they've already

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<v Speaker 1>kind of said it quite part out loud, so that

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<v Speaker 1>they're people would not you know, there is really goodma

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't put up with that. But I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to eventually cause that, which is why you know,

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<v Speaker 1>again we we we you know, we listen to Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden talking on the champ on the campaign circuit about

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia and the whole time. We have to be

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<v Speaker 1>aligned with Saudi Arabia for so many different reasons. And

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<v Speaker 1>they are the center gravity within that part of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>If we if we expect to have Lintlin's in that

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<v Speaker 1>part of the world, and and so you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason for them to have nuclear paality of more

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<v Speaker 1>oil and they know to do with and they're pumping

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<v Speaker 1>into the rest of the world. So if we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons here, um Uranians

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<v Speaker 1>have already made their bed. They said they weren't going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. And they ended up doing it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna see Theseraelis take care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we can't have you on the line today and

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<v Speaker 1>not bring up Russia and Ukraine. What's the lightest there?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is turning more into gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>four year war. I'm really these reports that are coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of of Russia, and you know, they're just talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the entire Russian focused on taking these small

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<v Speaker 1>little towns and intonesque and lamps and these small areas there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just I'm just saying, in mind boggling to

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<v Speaker 1>me that they've just still not put together a big,

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<v Speaker 1>broad sweeping campaign to at least take that whole southern region,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to take our deaths and to take a

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<v Speaker 1>mobile life troops there. They're obviously having problems getting troops

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<v Speaker 1>to the front, so that they're going further deeper into Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>right into those federations that are way way to the east,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where we wouldn't. They don't look Russian, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk Russian, they're not rest really Russian. They're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for those volunteers to come to come west. Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>they're running out of men and um, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>war of attrition is on you stalls and let's you

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<v Speaker 1>fire a couple of people is head of the spying

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<v Speaker 1>and the like. Um, they just still don't have enough offense,

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<v Speaker 1>two people in material to go on the offense and

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<v Speaker 1>to get that land back. If Russia, what's kind of smart,

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<v Speaker 1>they would stop right now and declare victory in and

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<v Speaker 1>start building a wall, and they would start holding that

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<v Speaker 1>ground and they could keep it from the next twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty years until the next generation goes. But but

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<v Speaker 1>the way you look at the war planning goes there

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<v Speaker 1>there like one one city at a time, going five

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<v Speaker 1>miles at a time, and it just again mind boggling

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<v Speaker 1>for a country like Russia that has tremendous capability to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing that. And on the Ukrainian side, there was

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty interesting analysis I think it was in the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times. I was talking about how the more advanced,

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<v Speaker 1>accurate artillery systems are now reaching the front lines and

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainians are making some hay with it. But the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is it's a mismatch. It's a mishmash, rather a

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<v Speaker 1>mismatched systems from various countries, and so Ukraine is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to train up a few people on this system, a

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<v Speaker 1>few peo along that system. That's no way to run

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<v Speaker 1>a war, right, Artillery is not fire and forget artillery

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<v Speaker 1>has fired directions centers. There's three components to it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>the guns itself, there's somebody forward observing looking at the target,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's somebody computing the data for the guns.

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<v Speaker 1>And you kind of bring those all together. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukraine military was using drone technology, using a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of satellite technology, using UM pinpoints on maps, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>not at all was real time UM. But that again

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<v Speaker 1>the fire direction component to it and getting to the guns,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not at that simple. It is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be effective when it gets time on target and then

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<v Speaker 1>it survives because every artillery round has a return address,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the Russians will look to fire artillery back

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<v Speaker 1>on whether that artillery came from. So they have to move, shoot, communicate,

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<v Speaker 1>we call it, and have to get out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to get out of there to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that they survived. Mike Lions, military analysts. Mike, you so

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a show on CNN like a Sunday show.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a good agent I do some of the

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon go up against some of those UHSE shows. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go up that fix. I go up against the five

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<v Speaker 1>for example, we should we'll do three verses to three

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<v Speaker 1>B two right. Five format is great. Five people talking

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<v Speaker 1>as a great format. So I can be there Monday. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Lions always great. Thanks Mike, great guy. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>International Affair is going to be seriously, I would watch

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<v Speaker 1>you show every week. Yeah, I would never miss it.

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