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Speaker 1: that they survived. Mike Lions, military analysts. Mike, you so

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Speaker 1: want to have a show on CNN like a Sunday show.

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Speaker 1: International Affair is going to be seriously, I would watch

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Speaker 1: you show every week. Yeah, I would never miss it.

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