1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: This is a show about the beauty of marriage, the 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: importance of family, the way to live a good life. 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of listeners, and some of 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: them write to me or comment to me who are 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: single and don't want to be but don't know how 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: to meet someone. When I try to give single friends 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: or acquaintances advice, they say things like, it's not like 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: it was when you were single, because obviously I'm like 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: three hundred years old and have been married since birth. 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: The truth is, yes, things have changed a little bit. 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: I've never dated someone I met on the internet, for example, 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: and this is a big change from what happens now. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: But I think the. 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Basics should generally still be the same. You meet someone, 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: you hit it off, you date, you get married. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: Right. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: No, No, people tell me that's not at all how 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: it works today. Now, you alert someone to your interest 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: on an app, wait for them to respond, message back 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: and forth for a few days, then potentially have a call, 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and then maybe someday meet them in person, and then 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: never hear from them again. But what if you didn't 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: follow this model. I'm not anti meeting someone online. I 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: have kind of mixed feelings about it. I get that 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: that's where a lot of the interaction happens now, and 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: that's where you could hit it off with someone and 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: maybe make something work. But this method is clearly not 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: working for many people. I think you need to see 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: dating apps like being in a crowded bar. You can 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: spot someone across the bar, smile at them, and then 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: have a conversation to determine if this can. 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: Go any further. 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: But when you're in a bar, you're not having like 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: five conversations with people. That's just not going to work. 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: I met my. 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Husband through mutual friends, and we were best friends for 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: over a decade before we started dating. When I talk 39 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: to people in their twenties and thirties, is hoping to 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: meet someone that they want to marry, They obviously say, 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: that's a great story, but I don't have time to 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: make a friend and marry him in. 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 4: Ten years, which fair. 44 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: So I want to open the floor to my listeners 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: to give your best advice to these young people who 46 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: want to meet someone to date seriously and marry. Write 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: to us at Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com. 48 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: It's K A. R. O. 49 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: L M A. 50 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: R ko Wi CS and Charlie Zas and Zebra Show 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And tell those youngsters how you 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: found love and how they can too. I'll read some 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: of the responses on the Carol Markowitz Show a week 54 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: from today next Thursday, and I do hope you'll tune 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: in coming up next and interview with Josh Hammer. Join 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: us after the break. 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 5: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: My guest today is Josh Hammer. Josh is senior editor 59 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 5: at Large at Newsweek, a syndicated columnist through Creators, and 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 5: the host of The Josh Hammer Show, a Newsweek podcast 61 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 5: and syndicated radio show. He's also, like me, a fairly 62 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 5: new Floridian. Josh is also a newlywed. It's actually a 63 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: month ago today, Mazeltov that he and his bride had 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 5: a beautiful. 65 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 4: Warm, just amazing, gorgeous wedding. 66 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on, Josh. 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 6: Carol, you're a dear friend and fellow flority and transplants. 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 6: I wouldn't miss it for the world. 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me so tell us about married life. 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 6: Well, it's a heck of a lot better than engaged life. 71 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: You know, it's you know, God willing, should it should 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 6: it only be this peaceful and blissful Look, Carol, it's been. 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 6: It's been amazing, right. I mean, one thing that we 74 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 6: did that I think that I would not recommend to 75 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 6: newly engage, newly betrothed. I guess you would say couples. 76 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 6: We waited essentially almost a year or two the day 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 6: from engagement to marriage. And we had our reasons. 78 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 7: My my wife, who you know, you know, she was 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 7: in grad school, is you couldn't focus on wedding planning. 80 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 6: And then it was the summer. No one wants to 81 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 6: do a wedding in the summer in Florida. You know, 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 6: we had all we had, We had all our reasons, right, 83 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 6: But the downside of that is that just all the 84 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 6: talk and the nits and this and then that of 85 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 6: wedding planning, and you know, as you were there, we 86 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 6: had multiple events for the wedding, so you know, it 87 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 6: kind of all just ended up being a lot. And 88 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 6: you know, I think if we had kind of just 89 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 6: done like three to six months, is that the full year. 90 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 6: That's kind of the one thing that I probably would 91 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 6: have done differently in retrospect. But look, I mean not 92 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 6: having to think about wedding planning. 93 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 94 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 6: At the wedding, which we you know, it was the 95 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 6: best night of our lives. We were thrilled to have 96 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 6: you and Shy there was as a part of our 97 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 6: symco of our happiness, our celebration. It was really beautiful. 98 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 6: You know, it's really amazing. Right now, we're going on 99 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 6: a mini moon I think the kids call it these days, 100 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 6: a mini moon in February. Our birthdays are actually one 101 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 6: week apart in February, so we're excited to go on that. 102 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 6: We're trying to figure out what to do for our 103 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 6: real honeymoon. We hadn't mind going to South Africa, but 104 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 6: now South Africa, as you know, is tied up with 105 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 6: this maybe not yeah exactly, probably played on the best 106 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 6: move for two Zionist to used to go to South 107 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 6: Africa right now. But anyway, I'm a little I'm off 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 6: course already married. 109 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: No, no, there is no course here. This is a this 110 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 5: is a free flowing kind of place. 111 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's really it's it's really been fantastic, And 112 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 6: you know, I only hope that all my friends and 113 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 6: family members and loved ones who are still trying to 114 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 6: find their their bisher, still trying to find their soulmate. 115 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 6: You know, God willing should the only be so lucky 116 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 6: as I've been. 117 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 5: I love that any surprises, any any married life surprises. 118 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 6: Nothing comes immediately to mine. I mean, you know, I mean, 119 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 6: I mean I know my in laws very well. I mean, 120 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 6: like they also live right here in Florida. I'm very 121 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 6: close with them, honestly. You know, my father in law 122 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 6: said it best, so we actually the day after the wedding, 123 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 6: Carobly went to my in law's house for a barbecue. 124 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 7: It's it's it's so funny. I'm really married. It's the 125 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 7: absolute best family. 126 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: I mean, they seem really great. 127 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 5: I mean, and not just because the food was like 128 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: insane at the Moroccan event you guys did. 129 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, they're just the warmest, sweetest people. And you know, 130 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 6: she and I that's my wife. We liked the joke 131 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 6: that the very first time I went over to her parents' 132 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 6: house to meet the parents. This is back in March 133 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, so my now mother in law the 134 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 6: time was just my girlfriend's mother. This is my literal 135 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 6: first time meeting her, and they did this whole, massive, 136 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 6: gorgeous barbecue. I was literally there eating for like four hours. 137 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 6: And at the time when it starts, she raised her 138 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 6: glass and she goes, Josh, welcome to the family. This 139 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 6: is the first time, I mean the parents and like, 140 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 6: you know, like they just knew you were in but 141 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 6: maybe but like they're just like really warm people, right, 142 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 6: And I say, all that is kind of breakfast to 143 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 6: say that. Like the night after the wedding, when we 144 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 6: went back to their house for another barbecue, you know, 145 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 6: the Ari Israeli family, they had a lot of relatives 146 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 6: still in from Israel, so they wanted to keep on 147 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 6: hosting and entertaining until they flew back the Wednesday after 148 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 6: the wedding. This is the Monday night right after. And 149 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 6: my father in law said it best. He was like, 150 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 6: you know, Josh, like you're obviously a part of the 151 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 6: family this this whole week because spen you know, but 152 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 6: a but a formality, you know, but a cherry on top. 153 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 6: You got to get the katuba, you gotta smash the glass, 154 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 6: you got to do all the things that our people 155 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 6: do and get the rabbinical seal approval. 156 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 7: But it was really somewhat of a formality yeah. 157 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 5: I mean the traditions are important, but yeah, what you 158 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 5: guys had even before you were married, I think is 159 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: beautiful and you know. 160 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: Just one of my favorite couples. 161 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: I love it. 162 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 5: So I mentioned you moved to Florida shortly before me, 163 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 5: a few months before me. I think I'm at two 164 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: years right now? 165 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: Where where do you. 166 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 6: My Florida moved date, I remember it exactly was August 167 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 6: twenty fifth, twenty twenty. 168 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 7: One, So I think, okay, you. 169 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: Were like six same time. 170 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, five months before me. 171 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 172 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 5: So a lot of people obviously have moved from place 173 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 5: to place in the Great Migration the last four years. 174 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 5: And something we talk a lot about on this show 175 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 5: is making new friends in adulthood. And I know you 176 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 5: have a friend or too, maybe right, Josh and I 177 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 5: hang out a lot, That's why that's funny, and we 178 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: have a group of friends here. But have you made 179 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 5: like situational friends, not from the internet, like I know 180 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 5: our friend Dave Rubin hangs out with the oyle who 181 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 5: did his son's brisks, So like anything like that. 182 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 6: That would be a hard one to top. I'm not 183 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 6: sure that I can top befriend of the oil. Look, 184 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Carol. When I moved to Florida, 185 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 6: it was in the middle of COVID, like many others there, 186 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 6: And you know, I don't think I realized how many 187 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 6: people I knew in Florida when I decided to pull 188 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 6: the trigger. I knew that I had some friends there, 189 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 6: some of our mutual friends and so forth there, but 190 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 6: I honestly don't think. And then I got here and 191 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 6: I started realizing, oh my god, like, wait, this person 192 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 6: actually lives here, and then like, oh, like your friends 193 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 6: are this person, and like the social circle just like 194 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 6: expands dramatically. And I remember that first month and a half, 195 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 6: two months after I moved here, in the summer to 196 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 6: fall twenty twenty one, you know, my social calendar was. 197 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: Just insane, I mean so great, right, Yeah. 198 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 6: I essentially barely had any free nights, if any to myself, 199 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 6: which gets a little tiring, to be sure. And you know, 200 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 6: now that I'm like an old married man, I guess 201 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 6: I'm used to kind of the nights in with my 202 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 6: beautiful wife, which it would be clear I'm very happy 203 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 6: about that arrangement. 204 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 7: But you know, yeah, I mean, look, you definitely meet 205 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 7: friends that you didn't know. I mean, I so I. 206 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 6: First moved to Brickle, which is essentially downtown Miami. I 207 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 6: was very active in the local Kabad. They're the shool. 208 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 6: There was like a five minute walk from where I 209 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 6: was living, so I've made a lot of new friends 210 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 6: through that. I've made more friends through the local, much 211 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 6: smaller Hobad, which is closer to where I live now. So, 212 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 6: you know, Jewish life definitely had his benefits as far 213 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 6: as kind of meeting more people things like that. I've 214 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 6: done some. I was in some WhatsApp group about like pickleball. 215 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 6: I love tennis and pickleball. I love like paddle rackets 216 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 6: in general. So I've met some more friends through kind 217 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 6: of you know, like one off sports activities things like that. 218 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 6: You know, you know you mentioned Dave Rubin, Dave's Dave's 219 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 6: been talking about getting this weekly basketball game. I guess 220 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 6: this has for a while now. I'm kind of waiting 221 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 6: for him to kind of come to the table and 222 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 6: make that happen because I definitely look forward to hopefully 223 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 6: meeting some of Dave's basketball friends as well. 224 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Moile plays in the basketball league, so I'm 225 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 5: not kidding seriously, but yeah, I've actually mentioned to my 226 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 5: husband like, Oh, Dave Ruben's trying to put together a 227 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 5: basketball league, you know, and you know you should go play. 228 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 5: So I hope you guys do it, because that sounds like, 229 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 5: you know, it's a good way to like not just 230 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 5: be on the internet and not like, you know, take 231 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 5: it off take it offline, which I'm really into. So 232 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 5: you went to law school, a top law school actually, 233 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 5: you know, just saying, and then you had a prestigious 234 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 5: clerkship and you had various fellowships. 235 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: What made you go into media? 236 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: Why would you do this to your Jewish parents? 237 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 7: You know, it's funny. 238 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 6: So I grew up with parents who it's not just 239 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 6: their politics necessarily, although they are probably Clinton Democrats, but 240 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 6: kind of their their general worldview is somewhat liberal. Let 241 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 6: me define that in the appropriate expermas. What I mean 242 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 6: by that is, I would I didn't grow up in 243 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 6: a home that was particularly strict and bound by strictures. 244 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 6: My grandfather when he was growing up in New York City, 245 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: and this would be back in the nineteen I guess 246 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 6: early nineteen forties, around the time of World War Two. 247 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 6: His name's David Hurwitz. His parents actually put a plaque 248 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 6: on his desk when he was eight or nine years old, 249 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 6: that said David J. Hurwitz, attorney at law. 250 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 7: So you got the idea. 251 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 6: I mean, this is the whole time that if you're 252 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 6: a you know, a Jew a certain vintage, you're a doctor, 253 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 6: a lawyer, making accountant. I mean, there's not a whole lot. 254 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 6: My parents were actually never liked that at all. That's 255 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 6: kind of the point I'm trying to make. They were 256 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 6: quote unquote liberal insofar as they really just wanted me 257 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 6: to be happy and fulfill my potential in whichever way 258 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 6: I did that. So look, I mean I always have 259 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 6: had a deep admiration for the law. I mean, you know, 260 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 6: I'm sitting here with my little like pocket Constitution right here. 261 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 7: I mean I love it. 262 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 5: And you're the official lawyer of our group chat, which 263 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 5: I mean is very prestigious in and of itself. 264 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 7: Yes, right exactly. So I'm still getting some bang from 265 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 7: my buck from the Chicago education. Right. Look, I still 266 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 7: actually put the law degree to use in certain ways. Right. 267 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 6: So, I mean I do a lot of legal talks 268 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 6: through the Federal Society. I speak on a lot of 269 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 6: law school canvasses. You know, we're recording this on January seventeen. 270 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 6: It's actually only two days ago. On January fifteenth, I 271 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 6: had a very long overdue essay come out in the 272 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 6: Harvard Journal of on Public Policy as part of a 273 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 6: very nerdy jurisprudential symposium. So I still kind of get 274 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 6: some play out of that. And we're generally speaking, when 275 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 6: I'm writing and talking and doing my day to day commentary, 276 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 6: it definitely imbues the way I think, and I would 277 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 6: like to think it helps me evaluate certain situations, certain problems, 278 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 6: perhaps a little bit better than some others might be. 279 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 6: At least that's what I tell myself when to go 280 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 6: to sleep at night. 281 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 5: Right. 282 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 6: But you know, Carol, at the end of the day, 283 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 6: you know, like you like some of the friends that 284 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 6: we've already named dropped here, I mean, I care about 285 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 6: the issues. I really, genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, 286 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 6: love this country. I love the idea of Western civilization, 287 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 6: which which is a concept that that you and I've 288 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 6: discussed offline that I think a lot of youngsters increasingly 289 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 6: are not properly under standing. And I just care about 290 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 6: the issues more generally, And you know, there are some 291 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 6: lawyers who are blessed with certain jobs where they can 292 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 6: do that in days day practice. A lot of them 293 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 6: work in the public sector, whether they're in a state 294 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 6: Attorney general office, Stster General's office. You know, some of 295 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 6: them might work in very specialized, highly elite boutique constitutional 296 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 6: law shops in certain law firms. But a lot of lawyers, 297 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 6: including what I was doing in private practice, just aren't 298 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 6: filling that itch. They're just not. 299 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 7: So I took a leap of faith. 300 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 6: I mean initially when I kind of made the leap, 301 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 6: like I was kind of doing the media full time 302 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 6: job while staying of counsel at a at a small 303 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 6: not for profit law firm thing, so I kind of 304 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 6: was doing half half for a time period there. And 305 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 6: then when I saw that the media route, you know, 306 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 6: hopefully had some legs to it, I kind of just 307 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 6: stuck with it. I mean, again, I still use the 308 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 6: law degree to a little bit there. But you know, 309 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I also know I'm 310 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 6: still barred. I'm still barred in Texas, which is where 311 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 6: I used to live for four years, So I still 312 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 6: know that. You know, if I'm not sure, I'm not 313 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 6: sure if we can curse here, but if you know what, Okay, 314 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 6: so hits the fan. I mean, like, I know that 315 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 6: I have a lot of agree to fall back upon 316 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 6: as well. 317 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: Got it, and you'd be my first phone call, so 318 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: you know, if shit hits the fan? 319 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: So what kind of parent do you think you're going 320 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: to be? 321 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 5: The kind that's like, I just want you to be happy, 322 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 5: or like the you know, attorney at law plaque on 323 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 5: the desk, because I am the attorney at law plaque 324 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: on the desk kind of parent, like yeah, be happy. 325 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: Sure, you know, happy whatever. 326 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: But you know I'm not paying for like a basket 327 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 5: weaving degree at the college. 328 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: You know, so make some good decisions. 329 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 6: Right, I mean, I think you probably know enough about 330 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: me to know that I'm definitely not going to be 331 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 6: the kind of like live and let live, right, I mean, 332 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 6: I mean I believe in order. I believe kind of 333 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 6: in rules. I believe in guidance. I mean, I you know, 334 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 6: I believe in strictures. And you know it's kind of 335 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 6: like our you know, our our friends. So, Mamar, a 336 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 6: few years ago, as as this whole kind of post 337 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 6: liberal thing is starting to develop, I think set it 338 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 6: quite eloquently and I'm paraphrasing here, but you know there's 339 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 6: a certain level of freedom that can actually paradoxically only 340 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 6: be achieved through strictures, through following a certain way of life. 341 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 6: And by the way, that's not just kind of a 342 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 6: soul of Catholic idea. That's also a very rich thought 343 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 6: in our Jewish tradition as well. There's a great rabbi 344 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 6: called Rabbi Ari Lamb who's written a lot about this very. 345 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 7: Idea as well. 346 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 6: So anyway, all that's to say that as parents, I 347 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 6: would hope to try to do that obviously, have to 348 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 6: lead by example to an extent there. And you know, look, 349 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 6: I'm not going to be like an authoritarian fascist parents 350 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 6: or anything. 351 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Right, We'll see, right, I guess we'll see. 352 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, God willing, you know, I mean, 353 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,479 Speaker 6: you know, God willing will be parents will have numerous plentiful, 354 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 6: bountiful children and soon a rabbit and later. And you know, look, 355 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 6: I am I terrified at the idea of having to 356 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 6: you know, you know, like be very strict or yell 357 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 6: or to say you have a time out in your bedroom. 358 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 6: I mean, like honestly that that kind of does terrify me. 359 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: To be honest, it gets easier, let me tell you. 360 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 6: I hope so, because it genuinely does sound daunting, partially 361 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 6: because you know, as I alluded to you, I really 362 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 6: just did not have that kind of upbringing on it. 363 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 6: But I think because I was raised in a certain way, 364 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 6: and I love my parents obviously, you know, my mom 365 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 6: is my hero. You know, I'm born on Lincoln's birthday, 366 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 6: and Lincoln's really my favorite hero in American history. And 367 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 6: Abraham Lincoln once said, again I paraphrasing here, but he said, 368 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 6: you know, all that I am, or that I may be, 369 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 6: I owe to my angel mother. And you know, in 370 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 6: many ways I really do feel that way are kind 371 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 6: of differences in kind of life and raising children all 372 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 6: that aside there. But because I know, you know, I'm 373 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 6: a byproduct of a certain way of upbringing, and I 374 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 6: and I see some others here, especially in the South 375 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 6: Florida Jewish community, doing a little a little different, I 376 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 6: really am attracted to kind of that more kind of rigid, 377 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 6: kind of strict order order rules. But you know, to 378 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 6: get back to your specific question, Carol, I have no 379 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 6: intention of placing like an attorney at law flafe at age. 380 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 6: Maybe I would, I would be I would be quite 381 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 6: a hypocrite if I did that, given kind of how 382 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 6: I've someone neglected the law. 383 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that. 384 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: So it's funny. 385 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 5: My middle son, my history loving middle son, is also 386 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 5: born on Abraham Lincoln's birthday. So and I see some 387 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 5: Josh Hammer's similarities here really too. So part of being 388 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: in media is, you know, having your face out there? 389 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: Do you get recognized a lot? 390 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: Like? What's it like living a fairly public life. 391 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 6: Probably not as often as you do, my famous friend, 392 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 6: but but I did have a funny incident at schule 393 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 6: actually a few weeks ago. So you know where we 394 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 6: live in South Florida, I'm sure where you live too. 395 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 6: This time of the year is just like ridiculously busy, right, 396 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 6: I mean there's so many people for me season. 397 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a season. 398 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 6: It's a season, right, So specifically where we are is 399 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 6: just totally flooded with Canadians. I'm not sure why exactly. 400 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 6: You know, yeah, our friendly Shapiro might be happy, but 401 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 6: like our people are just flooding in here from Toronto, Montreal, 402 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 6: places like that. 403 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 7: So the specific Kaba, the shool that I go to, 404 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 7: which is. 405 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 6: I'm fairly sure walk from from where I live, is 406 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 6: just packed to the brim with Canadians this time of 407 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 6: the year December January. Probably you er as well, but 408 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 6: really December January and if you weeks to go. I 409 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 6: was there and I was dobbining on Shabbab and this 410 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 6: guy comes up to me, probably I don't know, maybe 411 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 6: like around forty years old, early forties maybe, and he's like, are. 412 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 7: You Josh Hammer. 413 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 6: I'm like yeah, and he's like, you know, like I'm 414 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 6: a huge fan. So yeah, Look, I mean some of 415 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 6: that stuff happens. I'm not gonna pretend like it happens 416 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 6: every day. It definitely doesn't. I'm pretty happy about that. 417 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 6: To be honest with you, I don't necessarily want to 418 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 6: be the kind of person that has to like always 419 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 6: look over my shoulder for people kind of recognizing me. 420 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 7: I have no aspirations to totally agree. 421 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not a good thing, but yeah, every so 422 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: often that does happen. And you know, when I speak 423 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 6: at conferences too, it obviously happens a lot more often. 424 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 5: Right. 425 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 6: So, I just got back from from Israel at this 426 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 6: one less than a week ago. I spoke at a 427 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 6: conference last Thursday night, kind of a right wing conference 428 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 6: there in Jerusalem. It's not worth getting into this bit 429 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 6: of details. But after the conference was over, this one 430 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 6: younger guy came up to me and it's just like, 431 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 6: you know, Josh, been a huge fan of yours and 432 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 6: since you started writing for the Daily Wire, and you 433 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 6: know that was like what six seven years ago and now, 434 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 6: so like that's kind of cool when that happens. 435 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 7: For sure as well. 436 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right 437 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 438 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 5: So you got into media because you care about the 439 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 5: issues and you, you know, want to make differences. So 440 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 5: what would you say is our largest like societal or 441 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 5: cultural problem and is it solvable? 442 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 6: Well, I mean not to sound like a theologian Carroll, 443 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 6: but I genuinely the one thing that I have come 444 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 6: back to time and time again for a very long 445 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 6: time now, I think America genuinely needs like a spiritual reckoning, 446 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 6: like a great awakening here. And that's a that's admittedly 447 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 6: somewhat perhaps somewhat of an odd thing to say, you know, 448 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 6: from one Jew to another there, but I really genuinely want. 449 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 7: Our Christian brethren to go to church more. 450 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 6: I really really do worry that the future of this 451 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 6: country is going to end up being between kind of 452 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 6: like two secular or secular adjacent bashing tribes, and that's 453 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 6: just not going to end well. I mean, you know, 454 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 6: you and I both know all the famous quotes John 455 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 6: Adams famously said that, you know, the US Constitution was 456 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 6: only made for a moral and religious people. It is 457 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 6: wholly inadequate for any other. They assumed all of this, 458 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 6: They literally assumed that there would be an overriding sense 459 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 6: of Judeo Christian morality that imbues the body politic, that inmbus, 460 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 6: our our civic engagement, that in views our policy making 461 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 6: and our law and our judicial opinions, and all of 462 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 6: the above. There and I really really do worry, and 463 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 6: you know, frankly, Carol, especially. 464 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 7: For the Jews. 465 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 6: Speaking of the future of the Jews in America, I 466 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 6: want a more Christian America, actually American Christianity outside of 467 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 6: the land of Israel as as far as the so 468 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 6: if the Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 469 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 6: year seventy, go fast forward from the year seventy until 470 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 6: let's call it nineteen forty eight when Save Israel established. 471 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 6: In that almost two thousand year period, there was no 472 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 6: better place ever than the United States of America for 473 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 6: the Jews, and I would say, honestly, above all that 474 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 6: is because not just of not just because you was Constitution, 475 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 6: That's part of it, but because of the distinctly phile 476 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 6: Semitic brand of American Christianity and American Protestantism in particular. 477 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 6: People like John E. 478 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: Agree. 479 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 6: So I really, really, really really pray it that comes back. Unfortunately, 480 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 6: I'm somewhat black filled as to the possibility of that happening, 481 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 6: but I guess I'm trying to do the best I 482 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 6: can to you know, try to kind of not imatize 483 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 6: the Escaton that would be painting it a little too bleakly, 484 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 6: but just just doing what I can to try to 485 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 6: encourage our Christian American friends just be more Christian. 486 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 5: Frankly, I think that, you know, the pendulum swings, and 487 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 5: I could see, you know, thinking back to like the nineties, 488 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: like I think evangelicalism evangelism sorry was you know, fairly prominent, 489 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 5: and I think things were like people were going to 490 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 5: church more often and it was sort of an uptick. 491 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 5: So I could see it coming back and people, especially 492 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: when I think they the culture coursens and they need 493 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 5: to come back to some thing that makes sense. I 494 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 5: do think people return to church and Christians become more Christian. 495 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: But I fully agree with you. 496 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 5: I've always called American Jews the luckiest Jews in history. 497 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 5: Very few times that we've lived as openly and as 498 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 5: safely as we have here. 499 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: Obviously, last couple. 500 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 5: Of months have been, you know, trying, but in general, 501 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 5: I think even still, you know, you and I did 502 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 5: a conference, we did a panel in DC recently for 503 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 5: Heritage Foundation about Jews owning guns. That's something that you know, 504 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: we can basically only do in America. Even in Israel 505 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: it's kind of tough even now. So we have some 506 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 5: real benefits to living here, and so I could see 507 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 5: the return to church. I had a friend, a lefty friend, 508 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 5: say to me something like after October seventh, like, imagine 509 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 5: being in Alabama right now, and like, you have no 510 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 5: idea what you're talking about. Being in Alabama right now 511 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: one of the safest place Jews can be. Like it's 512 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: the crazy idea that you know, Christians don't like Jews 513 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 5: or don't want Jews around is just nonsense. In general, 514 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 5: I think. 515 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 6: It's it's total and completely nonsense. I mean, look at 516 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 6: the places on campus right now where all of bad 517 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 6: stuff is. It's happening in New York City, it's happening 518 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 6: in Los Angeles. I mean, you know, it's happening in 519 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 6: these mega blue urban centers. I mean, when is the 520 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 6: last time that in SEC school like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee. 521 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 6: I mean, have they been having any problems with the 522 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 6: Jews now? 523 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 5: I mean I've seen memes that were like the party 524 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 5: schools were right, right. 525 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, like, I'm not sure that I can 526 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 6: think of a single headline that I've seen from any 527 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 6: of these universities. I'm sure I'm pinning with an overly 528 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 6: brought brush here. 529 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: No, I don't. 530 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: I think. 531 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: I think that's probably right. 532 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean so there's something to be said 533 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 6: for that, right. I mean, look, Carol, I think back 534 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 6: to the twenty sixteen presidential primary. So it was actually 535 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 6: I was a third year law student at Chicago at 536 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: the time. But I can't paign for teded Cruz across 537 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 6: a handful of states. 538 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 7: Illinois. 539 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: He's been a guest on this show There You Go. 540 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 6: And I remember before where he made his final stand 541 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 6: in Indiana. I was there with my law school, buddy. 542 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 6: We were at that point door knocking and foam banking 543 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 6: for Cruise in South Bend, Indiana, like the day before 544 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 6: the primary or something like that. And the number of 545 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 6: questions that I got from from Christians asking me, you know, 546 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 6: where does Ted Cruz stand on Israel? 547 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: He was a lot. 548 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 6: I mean maybe like after like abortion, it might be 549 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 6: like the most frequently asked questions. So this idea that 550 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: American Christians, broadly speaking, or anti Semitic, granti Israel, it's 551 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 6: a vestige of this bizarre mentality from the nineteen fifties 552 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 6: where some people didn't get into certain law firms or 553 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 6: banks or country clubs that they cared about. It is 554 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 6: so pastime, I think, to throw this mentality into the 555 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 6: ashubok of history. You know, as Ron Dermer said, oh 556 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 6: maybe two years ago or so, he had a controversial 557 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 6: quote that I think was nonetheless correct. It rubbed the 558 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 6: law Jews the wrong way. But he said that the 559 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 6: future of American support for Israel obviously depends on the 560 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 6: Christian And again a lot of big Jewish mockers, big 561 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 6: Jewish donors were kind of offended by that. Tell me 562 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 6: how he's. 563 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 7: Wrong, right, How is he not wrong? Of course he's right. 564 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, like we talked about, you're really 565 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: accomplished and you're recently married. Now that you kind of 566 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 5: have the whole package, do you feel like you've made it? 567 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 6: Asked me after we got willing to have our first 568 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 6: child or two, Right, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not 569 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 6: trying to kind of rush things or anything like that. 570 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 6: We've been married, as you mentioned earlier in the show, 571 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 6: for precisely one month at the time this recording. But 572 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 6: I mean, to me, can't I can't say I've made it, 573 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 6: or I can't necessarily say that I've led a truly 574 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 6: fulfilling and meaningful life until I have children, right, I mean, 575 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 6: you know, be fruitful multiply is one of the very 576 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 6: first commandments in the entire Bible. In many ways, I 577 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 6: think it is kind of really the purpose of living, right, 578 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 6: is to kind of give your children better than what 579 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 6: you inherited, to give them more meaning and value and 580 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 6: potential material well obviously being a part of that, not 581 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 6: all of it, but at least a part of it, 582 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 6: you know, things like that and all that. But look, 583 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 6: i am I'm obviously blessed. I am just truly, truly happy. 584 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 6: You know, God is good. I love, love, love living 585 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 6: in Florida. 586 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I tease. 587 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 6: I tease you, Carroll, because I think that you're a 588 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 6: slightly bit more of a Florida the angeest than I am. 589 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 6: But only on the margins. Only on the margins. 590 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: I genuinely we've got a good thing going. 591 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: I mean it's hard to like not be happy all 592 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 5: the time here. 593 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 6: Yeah exactly. I mean, like you and I both lived 594 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 6: in cold weather locations. I've done New York, Chicago, Colorado. 595 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 6: I did one year there. I'm done with it. I 596 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 6: am so done, yea with the cold weather. I mean 597 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 6: literally I turn around, like right now and look out 598 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 6: my window. Okay, it's a little cloudy. Not not the best. 599 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 5: I mean, where do we write the letter of complaint 600 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 5: that the last month has been chili and rainy. It's 601 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 5: not supposed to be a rainy season. And you know 602 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: a lot of people are like, oh, look at Iowa. 603 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 5: Look they have, like the snowstorm. They signed up to 604 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 5: live in Iowa. I signed up to live in I 605 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 5: shouldn't have to have fifty degrees in rainy in January. 606 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 4: That's just not acceptable to me. 607 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny. 608 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 6: Sheer and I were talking about how bad we feel 609 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 6: for all these Canadians who have come down here and 610 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 6: like and like this is the weather they've got it. 611 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 6: It really has been oddly rainy here. I mean, you know, 612 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 6: this is what I saw, this one thing on the 613 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 6: street maybe a month ago or so, probably around the 614 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 6: time of the wedding where I saw this. This kid 615 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 6: must have been I don't know, a boy eight, nine, 616 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 6: ten years old something like that was like holding like 617 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 6: his like boogie board, and like he looked so upset 618 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 6: that he couldn't go to the beach, and like, yeah, 619 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 6: my heart kind of razstly. Like it's like very very sad. 620 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 6: But in any event, Florida is obviously great. You know, 621 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 6: I've I've found my bishart, I've found my soulmate. You know, 622 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 6: I'm very happy with where my career is. You know, 623 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 6: God willing you will continue to expand there. I love 624 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 6: what I'm doing now. I don't particularly feel being canceled 625 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 6: and having to go back to law. 626 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 7: At this point. 627 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: You know, there was a you know, maybe right you. 628 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 6: Never know, I mean, there was a massive hip piece 629 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 6: you ever, you might recall by the SPLC Southern Poverty 630 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 6: Law Center written about the Little. 631 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 5: Their Scam organization. I feel like we have to know 632 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 5: that every time they came. 633 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 6: Up right right for sure, But you know, I survived 634 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 6: that relatively unscared. So I feel like I'm I'm maybe 635 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 6: arguably uncancellable, which is a somewhat reassuring thing, and hopefully 636 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 6: reassure my parents that the all the law school tuition 637 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 6: money was not totally. 638 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 7: Wasted, right right, But light life is really good. 639 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 6: I mean I have I have very few complaints. You know, 640 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 6: children sooner rather than later. But as of now, with 641 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 6: that caveat of side, I feel quite fulfilled in life. 642 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not going to be bitter that you 643 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 5: mentioned the weather and finding sheer and you know, all 644 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 5: this other stuff, but not your amazing group of friends 645 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: in Florida, like whatever. 646 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 7: You know, you guys are always amazing. 647 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 6: We have quite a quite a little cabal here, and 648 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 6: I'm I'm very, very, very lucky to have people like 649 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 6: you and Dave Rubin. We mentioned Buck Sexton moved here 650 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 6: what like a year ago or so too many others 651 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 6: that I you know, I don't want to take up 652 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 6: the rest of the show named me names whatever. 653 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 7: You know, we have it. 654 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: They're good. 655 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, they're good people. 656 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 6: We have a great thing going for us here. You know, 657 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 6: we obviously have an amazing governor and Governor DeSantis politically Florida, 658 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 6: it feels like a very very safe place for folks 659 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 6: like us. 660 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 7: By the way, it also feels safer from a Jewish perspective. 661 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, for sure, like considerably substantially better and safer 662 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 6: than it would feel for Jews in New York or 663 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 6: l or La or anything like that. So I'm very 664 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 6: very grateful for that as well. 665 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: So I love talking to you, and here with your 666 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 5: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve 667 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 5: their lives. 668 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 7: Well, I you. 669 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 6: Know, I guess this is kind of going back to 670 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 6: this this theme that I didn't necessarily plan, but it's 671 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: been someone of a late motif of the show, which 672 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 6: is talking about kind of like rules and stricture and 673 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 6: religion whatever. You know, Look, I I'm not a Christian. 674 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 6: I don't really know what a day to day Christian's 675 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 6: kind of prayer routine entials. 676 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 7: You know. 677 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 6: I saw Tucker Carlson speak at the Heritage Foundations. It 678 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 6: was like his last talk before Fox fired him last 679 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 6: April One of the things that he said to Kevin Roberts, 680 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 6: the president of Pirot Defination, was you know, just take 681 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 6: ten minutes a day to pray every single day. And 682 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 6: you know something that I've been doing for I don't 683 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 6: know five six or something like that, is I've been 684 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 6: praying every morning. You know, I wrap to Phil and 685 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 6: I kind of do that every morning, and I've gotten 686 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 6: more serious with it. I spend more time with it now, 687 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 6: I'm more earnest. I try to really kind of focus 688 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 6: on it. The Hebrew word would be cavana. You have 689 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 6: to have intent to actually talk to m and anyway, 690 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 6: it doesn't matter whether you're a Jew or a Christian. 691 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 6: I really do think that Tucker's message there, and it's 692 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 6: someone I run with that. I'm quoting Tucker because I've 693 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 6: actually been critical a five times recently. But that's neither 694 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 6: here nor there. But I think that it's really important 695 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 6: for everyone to kind of focus not so much at 696 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 6: every single minute on the here and now and every 697 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 6: single minute and what's happening on Twitter or cable news 698 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 6: thing of that, you know, focus on really on what 699 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 6: is most important, and especially in the morning, especially when 700 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 6: you're first waking up when you get that first cup 701 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 6: of coffee, focused, just just dedicate ten to fifteen minutes 702 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 6: minimum to God, to praying, talking about and thinking about 703 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 6: what is most important. I think that that can really 704 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 6: kind of anchor you throughout the course of the workday, 705 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 6: especially for folks like you and me who work in 706 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 6: this crazy media landscape there. 707 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 7: And I just found that. 708 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 6: Since I've done that, it really does kind of help 709 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 6: just kind of around me. 710 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 7: For the data that is to help me. 711 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much for coming on. Josh. 712 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 5: He is Josh Hammer, catch him on the Josh Hammer Show, 713 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: and read him in Newsweek. 714 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: Thanks again, always a pleasure, Karen, thanks so much for 715 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: joining us on the Carol Marcowitz Show. 716 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.