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Speaker 1: Tom sand of all you can listen to. Everybody loves Tom. Yes,

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Speaker 1: interesting title, right name, and iHeartRadio where ever gets your podcast.

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Speaker 1: you get back from. Was it called Bravo Con in Vegas?

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Speaker 3: Definitely. I definitely think collectively. Everybody's eyeballs were just like

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Speaker 4: Does that how does that affect you? Well, you know

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Speaker 3: I think the reason why I got so big is because,

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Speaker 1: And maybe we could do that sometimes FaceTime each other.

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, congrats on it, good luck. Great to see

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Speaker 1: so much. Stay stay, keep us posted and and keep

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to the new season.

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Speaker 1: long time all year.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I am looking forward to the new season because

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Speaker 2: see how it plays out, because it's Does it pick

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Speaker 3: And I totally understand why people were mad at me.

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Speaker 3: And Special Forces too, Yes, Special Forces so much.

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Speaker 1: It's so good enough. Plugs you guys. I gotta go.