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Speaker 2: come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful that you've chosen to listen in today and I'm
Speaker 2: so excited because I get to sit down with someone
Speaker 2: that I've been dming and messaging for some time now,
Speaker 2: and finally we made it happen. Since breaking through in Brazil,
Speaker 2: Grammy nominated Global Superstar, Anita has become the leading artist
Speaker 2: of a new generation of Latin American music. Anita's single
Speaker 2: Evolver became the biggest solo debut by a Brazilian artist
Speaker 2: in the history of the Spotify Global Chart and broke
Speaker 2: Anita's record by reaching number one on iTunes in nineteen countries.
Speaker 2: Anita released her album Versions of Me in April twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and went on to earn the highly coveted
Speaker 2: Best New Artist Grammy nomination for the sixty fifth Grammy
Speaker 2: Awards in twenty twenty three. The album now has surpassed
Speaker 2: one billion streams on Spotify. Anita is the first Brazilian
Speaker 2: artist with thirty five million monthly listeners on Spotify history
Speaker 2: and the Brazilian female artist with the most charting songs
Speaker 2: in Hot one hundred history. Anita's newest album is What's
Speaker 2: to Come From, a highly anticipated forthcoming album, Funk Generation,
Speaker 2: which was released April twenty sixth, please give an on Purpose.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Anita. Anita, I'm so grateful and honor to
Speaker 2: have you here.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here, genuinely glad. Finally, yes, thank.
Speaker 2: You, thank you. When we were messaging, I got so
Speaker 2: happy because you messaged me back, going, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I missed this message, Like, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: so sweet and kind of you, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you're Anita, like how are you? You know? And it
Speaker 2: was it was so so gracious of you and it
Speaker 2: was beautiful to interact with you in that way. Thank
Speaker 2: you for being so what's the right word, like just
Speaker 2: so casual and andy.
Speaker 1: Very like that. I like to, you know, I like
Speaker 1: to be simple and everything. So yeah, when I saw
Speaker 1: your message, it was like, oh how could I miss this?
Speaker 1: I love this so much, So I'm really happy to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. I want to dive straight in.
Speaker 2: It is now. I'm just it is three thirty pm.
Speaker 2: You're going on stage tonight at nine pm. Yes, I
Speaker 2: want everyone to know, Anita, no one has ever come
Speaker 2: this early to on Purpose, and it was forty five
Speaker 2: minutes early. And she has a show this evening and
Speaker 2: she's not asking to rush away. What does a show
Speaker 2: day look for you? Like when I watch you on stage,
Speaker 2: You're bold, You're powerful, you you're so energetic. Your performances
Speaker 2: are so emphatic, Like, how do you prepare You're going
Speaker 2: on stage tonight? How do you prepare for that? From
Speaker 2: now till then?
Speaker 1: So I think it's too Anita's for everything. A few
Speaker 1: years ago and nowadays, I think before I used to
Speaker 1: just do so many things at the same time, and
Speaker 1: it was just this rush to conquer things, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to reach every opportunity to do everything, and it
Speaker 1: was very like it was a lot for me, you know,
Speaker 1: it was too much. Nowadays, when it's a concert day,
Speaker 1: I like to just enjoy the day, wake up, meditate,
Speaker 1: listen to some mantras, or do a massage or something
Speaker 1: that I know that is gonna put me in a
Speaker 1: good vibe to exchange energy with the people, you know.
Speaker 1: So nowadays I have this thing in my mind that
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a great experience. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: I used to go on stage just thinking about the
Speaker 1: result that later where I'm gonna get from it. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't just thinking about the present. Moment of exchanging
Speaker 1: energy with those people, and nowadays I do so for me,
Speaker 1: it's really important for me to get to this place
Speaker 1: with a good circle of white light around me. You know.
Speaker 2: And you said you meditate. What kind of practice is that.
Speaker 2: You said you do some montras? What does that look
Speaker 2: like for you?
Speaker 1: So I have a big circle of people that help me.
Speaker 1: I have a shaman, a woman that does constellation, a
Speaker 1: woman that does it's called a I don't know how
Speaker 1: to say that in English, but let me try to
Speaker 1: English size the word. It's called a radionic table. It's
Speaker 1: like you put some crystals and stones and you do
Speaker 1: like a cleanson in your in your aura or something
Speaker 1: like that. So I have these different people and I
Speaker 1: dream a lot, so every time I wake up, I
Speaker 1: know what's about to come. For example, yesterday I woke
Speaker 1: up feeling this crazy excitement because in the afternoon I
Speaker 1: did a Condalini session acting Invasion of Condelini and this
Speaker 1: lady from Brazil, her name is Sais, and she doesn't online.
Speaker 1: I do it in person too, but she does it online.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because your body just moves and it's
Speaker 1: just it's it's so special. So I woke up yesterday
Speaker 1: feeling like I was going to explode. It felt like
Speaker 1: my body was going to do it was so powerful,
Speaker 1: and I heard I woke up with this song in
Speaker 1: my mind that I didn't know exactly where I heard
Speaker 1: a song before, and I was just singing. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think it wasn't a yoga class. So I called
Speaker 1: my yoga teacher and I said, Yo, have you played
Speaker 1: a song for me that goes like this? I sang
Speaker 1: for her and she goes yes. So she sent me
Speaker 1: the link and the name was Heart Chakra. That meant
Speaker 1: so much to me because I woke up feeling like
Speaker 1: my heart was going to explode, and when I had
Speaker 1: this song, that was the name. So yesterday that's what
Speaker 1: I did. I was saying this song I did a
Speaker 1: yoga It was so special. Today I woke up different.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had some bad dreams because when
Speaker 1: I believe when we dream our soul they travel to
Speaker 1: different places, right, and sometimes it can be not as
Speaker 1: good place. So I woke up feeling weird and then
Speaker 1: I called this lady that does this family constellation with me,
Speaker 1: so I said, I feel weird and she was like, okay,
Speaker 1: sit down, let's meditate together. So she guides me and
Speaker 1: she opens this energetic circle and five minutes, ten minutes later,
Speaker 1: I was already feeling amazing again, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so different when you are. You have discipline and
Speaker 1: focus on keeping your frequency high, and every time I
Speaker 1: feel like it's not as high, I do something immediately
Speaker 1: to make it better. So for me to go on
Speaker 1: the concert, I need to be feeling on my highest
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for sharing that with us. And I
Speaker 2: love that so much because I feel that, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're out of milk at home, you go and
Speaker 2: buy milk, or if you're out of bread, you go
Speaker 2: and buy some bread. And I think sometimes we overthink
Speaker 2: when we're out of inspiration, or we're out of alignment,
Speaker 2: or we're out of the higher frequency and we're feeling
Speaker 2: a lower frequency. We don't realize that all we have
Speaker 2: to do is reconnect yeah or plug in again, yes,
Speaker 2: and that simply brings it back. And I think we
Speaker 2: overthink and we think, oh, gosh, I'm not worthy of it,
Speaker 2: or I'm not good enough, or I lost it or
Speaker 2: it's left me now, and we don't realize that it
Speaker 2: is something that we can recultivate and rebuild and regrow into.
Speaker 2: And so I love hearing that today you were yesterday
Speaker 2: you woke up feeling like this explosive energy, and today
Speaker 2: you woke up not feeling that. And that's kind of
Speaker 2: how something we can all relate to. I feel like
Speaker 2: we all experience that.
Speaker 1: And usually when we wake up not feeling that amazing first,
Speaker 1: maybe from things from the subconscious or something like that,
Speaker 1: we're stuck in there and we don't know what to
Speaker 1: do and we don't feel like doing things. And that's
Speaker 1: what happens when we go on the lower frequency. We
Speaker 1: are aligned with and I believe in other spirits and
Speaker 1: things like that, we are aligned with other spirits and
Speaker 1: energies that want you to stay there. So of course
Speaker 1: you're not going to have the strength to go there,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's important to keep it and to
Speaker 1: do it just for the discipline. And then and then
Speaker 1: you're going to start elevating. Elevating elevating and exercises that
Speaker 1: can seem idiots idiotics. But it's not like one Michelman
Speaker 1: when I told her, she was like, okay, so you
Speaker 1: open your arms, you do a circle, And I was
Speaker 1: like doing all these exercises, put in my arms up,
Speaker 1: breathing doing it. When I was done, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: life is great again. And it just takes you a
Speaker 1: little bit of discipline to understand that it's in your power.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we like to play victims, saying like oh
Speaker 1: a victim, like some person did this and that. To me,
Speaker 1: I feel bad because that person did this, that person
Speaker 1: did that, And no, you have the power to feel good.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the other people do or the
Speaker 1: energy people throw at you. All of that is real
Speaker 1: and exists. But if you're aligned with yourself, nothing that
Speaker 1: the people do or throw it at you can reach
Speaker 1: you because you are powerful in control of your all
Speaker 1: of your own circle of energy. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well, for whatever it's worth. I can honestly
Speaker 2: say that from the moment you walked in and we interacted,
Speaker 2: I was like, this energy is good. So for whatever
Speaker 2: it's worth, it's working.
Speaker 1: It's not the same here. It's such a good.
Speaker 2: Energy here, thank you, but it's I definitely felt that.
Speaker 2: As soon as we met and we started talking, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh wow, this is I was so uplifted
Speaker 2: immediately through your space. So whatever is whatever's happening, it's working,
Speaker 2: woke me through what is What are some of the
Speaker 2: things that you still find do bring energy down for people?
Speaker 2: Or do bring our frequency and vibration down? Like? What
Speaker 2: is it for you? That kind of feels that way.
Speaker 1: I think comparation to be compared with others, it's one
Speaker 1: of the I think the most the most important thing
Speaker 1: right now that makes everybody go, you know, down, because
Speaker 1: we have the Internet in our in our hands and
Speaker 1: we're there. It was made to connect us, but we're
Speaker 1: not connected at all anymore. Instead of connecting, we're just
Speaker 1: falling apart and spreading ourselves like and just becoming judgmental
Speaker 1: and everything. And I just think when we look at
Speaker 1: other people's pages, Instagram, talk, whatever, instead of just getting
Speaker 1: an inspiration or like feeling happy for something, you start
Speaker 1: comparing and thinking, why I don't have this, I should
Speaker 1: have that, My life should be like this I should
Speaker 1: do And then you never get to be yourself because
Speaker 1: you're so consumed consumed by other people's lives and choices,
Speaker 1: and then you think you need to be this, or
Speaker 1: then you see another part, No I need to be that,
Speaker 1: and then you say, oh, no, I should be doing
Speaker 1: this and never you can get with yourself and be like,
Speaker 1: what do I really want to be? What do I
Speaker 1: really want to do? And depending on all the other
Speaker 1: people that I know or that I follow, you know,
Speaker 1: and when we compare each other, we are not being
Speaker 1: fair to us to them because we are born in
Speaker 1: different statles, different countries, different body shapes. Society has so
Speaker 1: many rules to follow. Even with all the present this racism,
Speaker 1: the opportunities are not the same. So you cannot compare
Speaker 1: somebody that is born in a country that doesn't have
Speaker 1: as much opportunities structure with a person that was born
Speaker 1: in the place that has fifty times more. It's super unfair.
Speaker 1: There's no balance. So when you put yourself in this
Speaker 1: unfair situation, I feel like your inner child gets mad
Speaker 1: at you. It's like preparent comparing two brothers were a
Speaker 1: sister and a brother that were born in different times,
Speaker 1: different situations. They are not the same gender there, and
Speaker 1: then imagine your parent doing that to a kid. That's
Speaker 1: what you were doing to your inner child. And then
Speaker 1: you feel sad, you feel frustrated, and your mind starts
Speaker 1: because our mind works on the purpose of not letting
Speaker 1: us suffer, right so when you start comparing, your mind
Speaker 1: starts creating this anxiety to think about for you to
Speaker 1: not suffer. So for me, if I'm comparing myself with
Speaker 1: that person, what's the solution. I should do this and
Speaker 1: this and that so I can get close to with
Speaker 1: And for me, it's it's too much. And I used
Speaker 1: to be like that. I used to compare myself the
Speaker 1: whole time with other singers, and then I decided to
Speaker 1: come out of Brazil, something that nobody was doing in Brazil.
Speaker 1: We speak Portuguese, not Spanish. I was learning Spanish, learning
Speaker 1: the culture, learning English. So why I was comparing myself
Speaker 1: to people outside or to people in Brazil that they
Speaker 1: were not even leaving Brazil I was. I was putting
Speaker 1: effort in something that, of course I would need to
Speaker 1: step a little bit behind, leave Brazil a little bit.
Speaker 1: So of course I cannot compare with the people in
Speaker 1: Brazil because they are not putting. They are putting one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time. I'm putting fifty because the
Speaker 1: other fifty I'm here studying, learning other things. And I
Speaker 1: cannot compare with the people that speak Spanish or English
Speaker 1: because they are in Spanish or English they're not in
Speaker 1: Brazil fifty percent of the time coming back to Brazil
Speaker 1: to give this and have I had this, always comparing,
Speaker 1: always comparing, and nowadays I just feel like, wow, I
Speaker 1: was so I was so mean to myself. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not fair to do this to you, you know,
Speaker 1: not even not even about the things that we can see,
Speaker 1: which is like nationality or physical type, but also family karmas,
Speaker 1: family traumas, you know, past lives, so many things that
Speaker 1: we cannot even know how hard it is for me
Speaker 1: or for you. It's just different.
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Speaker 2: we're comparing and we get lost in that trap and
Speaker 2: it feels like a prison. Yeah, and you kind of
Speaker 2: keep going around around in a loop. I mean, speaking
Speaker 2: of comparing, you were saying that a few years ago,
Speaker 2: before an event, you would have been like doing so
Speaker 2: many things and doing all this, and now you're like, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, actually I want to meditate. I want
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 1: What changed into when my song went number one in
Speaker 1: the world. I worked so hard for that. I was
Speaker 1: the first Latina, first female Latin singer to have a
Speaker 1: solo song number one in the world. And it was
Speaker 1: just like I was everywhere. Everyone was listening to the song,
Speaker 1: everyone was dancing to it. And then I got sick.
Speaker 1: I got super sick. And usually when I talk about that,
Speaker 1: people go like, but what was it what? And we
Speaker 1: don't know. I just couldn't walk upstairs at my house.
Speaker 1: I was super tired, I was super I wasn't strong,
Speaker 1: I couldn't breathe. Well, it was so many things, and
Speaker 1: then my bladder had issues, and then I did a
Speaker 1: blood test and it was like a lot of cancer indicators.
Speaker 1: It was just a lot of things that was at
Speaker 1: the same time nothing, but it was. It was so crazy.
Speaker 1: And then I tried everything, stayed in the hospital for
Speaker 1: so many months and just seeing all this success, and
Speaker 1: I was not happy at all. I was just in
Speaker 1: this internal fight with my duality, because I believe we
Speaker 1: all we all have this duality which is our ego
Speaker 1: with our soul, you know. And then I met this
Speaker 1: shaman that she does this method called pregnancy map. She
Speaker 1: gets all the informations from your mother's pregnancy when you
Speaker 1: were inside of her, and then she understands the kind
Speaker 1: that the way your brain works, the way your how
Speaker 1: your soul, your inner child suffered, what are your fears,
Speaker 1: your traumas, your karmas. And then I went to her
Speaker 1: retreat for five days, no cell phone, no no power,
Speaker 1: no light, nothing, just nature, a lot of therapy, a
Speaker 1: lot of crystals, a lot of like rituals that are
Speaker 1: actually like meditation three times a day. And then to eat,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't eat with knife and fork. It was with
Speaker 1: the hands to feel what we were eating, the food
Speaker 1: that was planted there, and we could be part of it,
Speaker 1: thinking about how this food was done, the whole process
Speaker 1: until it gets to our mouths and everything. So I
Speaker 1: was there and this whole time, right, she tells you
Speaker 1: like things that you want to give up leave and
Speaker 1: things that you want to bring to you, and I
Speaker 1: was just, you know, when you're so focused on what
Speaker 1: people were saying are what people were expecting from you,
Speaker 1: that you don't listen to yourself. I was kind of
Speaker 1: like that, and I was writing like I talked too much.
Speaker 1: I'm very like outspoking. I'm I just I'm always with
Speaker 1: different guys. I talked too much too much. I'm very
Speaker 1: like extravagant. I moved my hands too much. I did.
Speaker 1: You know when you just look at what people say
Speaker 1: about you and you just want to be less, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to talk less. I want to
Speaker 1: be less too much. So I read all those things
Speaker 1: and then what I want. I want to be balanced,
Speaker 1: I want to be calm, I want to be patient.
Speaker 1: Because my brother is very much like that, and my mom.
Speaker 1: It's fun because nowadays me, my brother, my dad, my mom,
Speaker 1: we all went on this journey together and my family too,
Speaker 1: so they all do sessions of Cundalini with me family constellations.
Speaker 1: It's so good. But my brother was more of like
Speaker 1: a calm patient to like my mom, and I was
Speaker 1: very much like my dad party as they they divorced
Speaker 1: when I was one year one year old. My mom
Speaker 1: used to be more connected, and it was hard for
Speaker 1: me to understand when I was a kid, and nowadays
Speaker 1: I super understand. But it's not about nowadays, it's about
Speaker 1: when you were a child. She used to have this
Speaker 1: connection with my dad, with my brother more and I
Speaker 1: had more with my dad, but he was out. We
Speaker 1: didn't live at the same house, so that was very
Speaker 1: painful to me as a kid. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like my brother, and I didn't understand that the
Speaker 1: fact that we are different is the special You know
Speaker 1: me as a kid, of course, and then I put
Speaker 1: all those things and I was so confused. And the
Speaker 1: character Anita and me as a person is so different,
Speaker 1: because I think when the artist is an actor, it's
Speaker 1: easy for the audience to see the actor acting and understand, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a character, and I don't know how this actor
Speaker 1: is in life. For singers different because they see you
Speaker 1: doing that on stage or speaking in interviews. And they think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the person, right. They don't understand that that's also
Speaker 1: a character that you made to protect yourself, that that's
Speaker 1: your public character, but your real person is really different.
Speaker 1: Most of the times. For me, it was really hard
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, this Anita has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with me. I used to be Jill. I used
Speaker 1: to be there very like mean to me. Again. In
Speaker 1: the end of the process, my brother went with me
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm going to this place that
Speaker 1: I have no idea what it is. I need somebody
Speaker 1: to come with me because what if it's dangerous. It
Speaker 1: was not. It was great, but in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: in the end of it, my brother was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy it came in. My brother didn't believe
Speaker 1: in any of these things, right, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I was disgusted. I felt
Speaker 1: discussed because she does a lot of like spiritual it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, let's say reiki, but it's not it's
Speaker 1: more deeper than that. And I looked at him and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm disgusting. And then she came to
Speaker 1: me and we were going to leave, and she said,
Speaker 1: how do you feel? And I said, awful. I think
Speaker 1: I wasted my time. I was feeling this dark energy
Speaker 1: inside of me was so bad. And she said, okay,
Speaker 1: lay down, let's talk. They lay down and she put
Speaker 1: her hands here on me. And then when she did that,
Speaker 1: and we don't take anything there, right, No drugs, no,
Speaker 1: not micro dozing, nothing, there's just meditation, that's it. And
Speaker 1: me as a kid, I showed up in front of
Speaker 1: me this girl just when my eyes closed, you know,
Speaker 1: and it happens inside of you. And she was looking
Speaker 1: at me like this, and I looked at her and
Speaker 1: I was like, please stay here. There's a demon here,
Speaker 1: there's a demon standing these dark entergy around us. We
Speaker 1: need to protect ourselves. And she was just looking at
Speaker 1: me like this, and I was like, yes, stay here,
Speaker 1: stay here, and she said, now, it's not a demon.
Speaker 1: The little me, the little me like that, it's not
Speaker 1: a demon. You wanted to be less talkative, less this,
Speaker 1: less that, less jumper, less because I must less expressive.
Speaker 1: I am not less. I am more. So if you
Speaker 1: want to be less, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: you here alone. And whoa no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no, You're perfect You're perfect the way
Speaker 1: you are. And I was just hugging, like, you are perfect, please,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're perfect, and she was like, okay,
Speaker 1: are you gonna accept that. I like to jump, I
Speaker 1: like to dance, I like to talk cloud, I like
Speaker 1: to call tension because I'm amazing. You felt lonely and
Speaker 1: I survived. I'm a genius, I'm smart, I'm talented, and
Speaker 1: you're not looking at it. They want me to be less,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I want you to be
Speaker 1: everything you can be. Please, oh god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. And uh, Since that
Speaker 1: day and then when we make pieces with each other,
Speaker 1: since that day, I know how to go there, close
Speaker 1: my eyes, talk to my inner child and understand what's
Speaker 1: wrong and huger and say and ask why we're not happy?
Speaker 1: Why what's happening?
Speaker 2: Why are we mad?
Speaker 1: Why are we feeling? And she's and then she tells me,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, okay, let's get it done. As
Speaker 1: adults that we are, you know, and sometimes we don't
Speaker 1: realize that our inner child can be so hurt that
Speaker 1: start doing things that we don't like. And sometimes we
Speaker 1: ask ourselves, why do I behave like that? Why I'm
Speaker 1: so mad or why I'm so childish sometimes, and it's
Speaker 1: because of that, and we need to learn how to connect.
Speaker 1: And then after that, I just started prioritizing different things,
Speaker 1: you know. I started to prioritize my peace, my time,
Speaker 1: take care of me, because I think people congratulate you
Speaker 1: a lot about your professional accomplishments. Oh you're doing great,
Speaker 1: you're doing good, You're doing great, and then you just
Speaker 1: feel like you need that to be somebody. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: need that to be somebody, and you don't need I
Speaker 1: watched the movie these Days, and I love watching movies
Speaker 1: that put me on a good frequency. I watched a
Speaker 1: movie these Days called Becoming Nobody. I have to watch that.
Speaker 1: It was really good, Becoming Nobody, and I was I
Speaker 1: woke up like some months ago, I woke up feeling
Speaker 1: and I watched this movie and I came back to
Speaker 1: my frequency right away, because you know, there are tools
Speaker 1: that can help you, it's a song or a movie.
Speaker 1: And I was so there was this emptiness inside of
Speaker 1: me that I felt like I could fulfill it with
Speaker 1: success awards, streams, algorithms and these days. A friend of
Speaker 1: mine from Brazil that she was like very poor very like.
Speaker 1: She used to struggle a lot in life, and then
Speaker 1: a few years ago she got everything she wanted, money, everything, success,
Speaker 1: And she texted me, these days and I have my
Speaker 1: friends know that I'm very spiritual nowadays, and so they
Speaker 1: always text me for something. What can I do? I
Speaker 1: feel it's so it's funny and I feel glad. She said,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was happier when I had nothing,
Speaker 1: And I told her, I think it's because when we
Speaker 1: have nothing, we have something to blame. So we say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not happy because I don't have the house. I'm
Speaker 1: not happy because I don't have money. I'm not happy
Speaker 1: because I'm not successful. So we just be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's because I don't have that, let's keep going. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when you have it and then you're still not happy,
Speaker 1: there's nobody else to blame but yourself. Wow, And then
Speaker 1: you feel bad because you're like, Wow, I have everything
Speaker 1: and I'm not happy. What's going on? What I'm still
Speaker 1: looking for? You know, I got all the awards I wanted,
Speaker 1: I got all the streams, I got this, I got it,
Speaker 1: and now I still feel that it's missing something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's because we were doing these things
Speaker 1: not because we were feeling good or enjoying the journey.
Speaker 1: It's because we've thought that the result was going to
Speaker 1: fulfill us on something that just we can do for ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, that's really powerful. I've never heard it
Speaker 2: put like that, that difference between when you didn't have anything,
Speaker 2: you had something to blame, whereas when you have everything,
Speaker 2: you don't have anything to blame. And that is so
Speaker 2: interesting because I think people will say, like, oh, money
Speaker 2: doesn't buy happiness or words don't buy happiness, and it's like, sure,
Speaker 2: that makes sense, But the real thing is because we
Speaker 2: haven't yet figured out what does give our life meaning,
Speaker 2: what does give us a sense of connection? And I
Speaker 2: guess that's what's giving you confidence now in your career
Speaker 2: at this stage, Yeah, to shift and create music from
Speaker 2: a place of I'm gonna be bold, i'm gonna be authentic,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be myself, not going to care about because
Speaker 2: I think at one point you were saying, I was
Speaker 2: reading your amazing on a for you in Variety and
Speaker 2: congratulations on that it was incredible to see and I
Speaker 2: was reading you were talking about how you know, at
Speaker 2: one point you did get really attached and addicted to
Speaker 2: all those things as you do, as things are growing
Speaker 2: and things are going ahead, and you said, well, now
Speaker 2: I actually don't feel that way I want to do.
Speaker 2: You think that's just a natural effect of having achieved
Speaker 2: so much, and then you think to yourself, Okay, now
Speaker 2: I want to do something more meaningful.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, because I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people that they still feel that they need more.
Speaker 1: They still feel that it's because they are falling, you know,
Speaker 1: so they still feel like they need more. They want more.
Speaker 1: So they want a bigger house, a bigger car, a
Speaker 1: bigger this, more this, more that, And they are not
Speaker 1: understanding what's the point, you know, they feel like And
Speaker 1: I think it's because nowadays, the streaming, the algorithms, the internet,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy how people operate nowadays. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you have the biggest success for five years, if
Speaker 1: nowadays you're not selling as much. If nowadays you're not
Speaker 1: number one anymore, and you people got used to see
Speaker 1: you number one many times or top ten many times.
Speaker 1: Now you're not even going to top fifty. They're gonna
Speaker 1: start saying, wow, this person dead dead. And I hate
Speaker 1: this behavior of the industry to be like, oh no,
Speaker 1: not hot anymore. This person is hot. Now that person
Speaker 1: not hot. So that means whatever this person did for
Speaker 1: these five years, I don't know, it doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: now this person is not hot anymore. Oh cheezy, oh
Speaker 1: bad eugh, don't associate with this person. This person dad.
Speaker 1: But if tomorrow this person has a success, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's super cool. Come on. And that was driving me
Speaker 1: so crazy, and I just understood we were depending on
Speaker 1: these people's approval to see if we had value or not.
Speaker 1: And I did not want to be dependent on that.
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like you are in the people's hands,
Speaker 1: and I don't want that. And I feel like we
Speaker 1: are only successful and happy if we know that if
Speaker 1: I lose everything, if I'm not number one, number ten,
Speaker 1: number one hundred, number three hundred, I'm still going to
Speaker 1: be happy. If yes, then great. If no, then you
Speaker 1: need to stop everything that you're doing and start working
Speaker 1: on yourself to make sure even if you lose everything,
Speaker 1: you're still happy, because then you're going to make good decisions.
Speaker 1: So I only when I started to go on this
Speaker 1: journey of understanding myself and understanding that I was doing
Speaker 1: things just because I was so empty inside and I
Speaker 1: felt like I was not good enough. I needed more
Speaker 1: people's approval, people love where it was like a drug.
Speaker 1: Success is like a drug if you don't understand. It's
Speaker 1: like part of life. So when I understood that, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna do the type of music
Speaker 1: that I feel like if I get ten plays, if
Speaker 1: I have ten million or one hundred, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I want to feel good. I want to feel happy. Also,
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone has their moment. God gives us
Speaker 1: the moment for us to enjoy this amazing and then
Speaker 1: we go to the next to evolve on something else.
Speaker 1: We did what we need to hear. Oh great, you
Speaker 1: killed it, got all the awards, all the success. Let's
Speaker 1: go to another thing. No, we get addicted because the
Speaker 1: people in this environment, if you're not there anymore, they're
Speaker 1: gonna say, ugh, this person, nah, Dad, not good. And
Speaker 1: then you pay attention to that and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't lose this. So you keep doing all the
Speaker 1: things that you were already tired of doing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: give you the same pleasure anymore, but you keep doing
Speaker 1: it just so people don't say you've failed. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I do not care. Everyone
Speaker 1: can tell me I failed. Oh my gosh, she used
Speaker 1: to be a success. Now nobody cares. I care. That's
Speaker 1: all that matters to me. I don't care if nobody cares.
Speaker 2: You know, I love hearing that there's a beautiful zen
Speaker 2: saying that you're reminding me of this zen saying says
Speaker 2: that letting go is hard, but holding on is harder.
Speaker 2: And all of our pain is coming because we're holding
Speaker 2: on to who we were, holding on to who we wish.
Speaker 2: We were holding on to what people used to love,
Speaker 2: holding on to what people validated, what people approved, and
Speaker 2: we're holding on to that and not realizing that universe,
Speaker 2: the God energy is trying to gently take us away,
Speaker 2: but our holding on is what's making it so aggressive
Speaker 2: and painful. And that's when you know, if you're holding
Speaker 2: on to anything really, really tight and it's being taken away,
Speaker 2: it's gonna hurt you. And I think that's what we
Speaker 2: will go through. We don't want to gracefully accept growth,
Speaker 2: and so we sometimes get aggressively pushed out and pushed
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's because I think society has taught us that
Speaker 1: we need to always be growing. But when they say growing,
Speaker 1: it's not inside, it's outside. So your house cannot be
Speaker 1: the same house in ten years. You have to be
Speaker 1: moved to a bigger one, a better one. Your job
Speaker 1: cannot be the same job, even if you're happy. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you got to be bigger. But nature is one thing
Speaker 1: we come here and we have. If we see how
Speaker 1: animals behave right, they go to a tree. The bird
Speaker 1: goes there, eat what's necessary for him and leaves. The
Speaker 1: human goes there and gets what's necessary for him. And
Speaker 1: let me get more, just to have, just to see
Speaker 1: that I have more, just to show people that I
Speaker 1: have more. But then you're not even you don't need it,
Speaker 1: you don't need it. But the way society taught us
Speaker 1: that we need more, we need to be every day
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger. Then if you go a little smaller
Speaker 1: in this area to go bigger in another area that
Speaker 1: people are not seeing, that doesn't it's not the same value.
Speaker 1: You know. I chose now in my life to I understood.
Speaker 1: I went so big and it was so good. I'm
Speaker 1: down to keep going. And if it goes bigger, it's cool.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't, it's super cool. Too. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: sing to the amount of people that I'm singing now,
Speaker 1: or if it becomes less because I'm a little less crazy,
Speaker 1: it's fine to me too, because I want to grow
Speaker 1: in something else. It's so good when you do. When
Speaker 1: I do my spiritual things, so happy, I feel like
Speaker 1: nothing could give me this happiness. It doesn't end, it's
Speaker 1: it just goes and it goes, that goes bigger, and
Speaker 1: it's unfinishable, you know, And it doesn't give you anxiety.
Speaker 1: It just gets better, better, better, And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: super down to be less successful here and make more money.
Speaker 1: Would less not more money, make like less money to
Speaker 1: get big on this other side, which is inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. I always find that material
Speaker 2: language is big and better, bigger and better, and then
Speaker 2: spiritual language is deeper and more impactful, and and that
Speaker 2: depth is I think what sounds like you're searching after
Speaker 2: with Was this the same time that you were suffering
Speaker 2: with like endometriosis? Yes, was this like the hormony? Change that?
Speaker 1: And then it was more and then I found out
Speaker 1: that was there that, and then it was my bladder,
Speaker 1: and then it was it was so many things. And
Speaker 1: when I came out. I came out of the retreat
Speaker 1: the cancer levels and my blood was not there anymore.
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. It was just getting better. And
Speaker 1: now I feel like I'm in control. I do feel
Speaker 1: like emotional when we hold on to emotional emotional traumas
Speaker 1: and things like that, it can get physical, you know.
Speaker 1: And when I do like family constellations for example, if
Speaker 1: people don't they never heard of it, please search because
Speaker 1: it's so good. When I do that, I feel sometimes
Speaker 1: pain in somewhere while we're doing the session. I feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: my bladder or my heart or my stomach. And then
Speaker 1: when it's when it's over, I feel like, oo, I cleaned.
Speaker 1: It's better, you know. So I do feel like it
Speaker 1: can become physical for sure.
Speaker 2: What would the biggest traumas that have stayed with you,
Speaker 2: that have come up for you that you feel you've
Speaker 2: carried because you obviously grew up in the favelas, you
Speaker 2: grew up not in the easiest of circumstances. I think
Speaker 2: you mentioned yourself that you're almost treated like trash in
Speaker 2: Brazilian people in the first so long and so like,
Speaker 2: tell me about what are the traumas you felt you've
Speaker 2: held onto from your childhood that now coming up that
Speaker 2: you're healing now.
Speaker 1: So there's this one interesting situation in the path of
Speaker 1: this healing thing. There was this one thought that was
Speaker 1: always coming to my mind. Right I was here being anita.
Speaker 1: I have three different houses, I have everything I need. Okay,
Speaker 1: if I want to retire right now, I can and
Speaker 1: I will live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, I was just here minding
Speaker 1: my business, and I thought would come to my mind.
Speaker 1: What if I get pregnant and I lose all my
Speaker 1: money and I don't have money to survive, and then
Speaker 1: I need to work in the street to get food
Speaker 1: to my babies and to and I'll be like, why
Speaker 1: am I thinking this? Why am I doing that? Why?
Speaker 1: And then I did this session with my shaman, and
Speaker 1: she said, this is not your thought. You got this
Speaker 1: thought the same way we get DNA from our parents,
Speaker 1: and like the hair, the eyes, the body, we can
Speaker 1: get from thoughts and the energy behaviors and we don't
Speaker 1: realize that. So I told her, oh, for real, And
Speaker 1: then we did a session to clean this right, to
Speaker 1: remove this from me because it's not mine. It comes
Speaker 1: from my family. So I did the session and I
Speaker 1: talked to my mom. I said, Mom, have you ever
Speaker 1: had this thought of like that you were going to
Speaker 1: lose everything, We're not gonna have money, this and that.
Speaker 1: And that was like right before my birthday of thirty
Speaker 1: years old birthday. So she said, yeah, when I got
Speaker 1: pregnant from you, your dad lost his job and I
Speaker 1: felt like we were not going to have money to
Speaker 1: feed you guys, and I would need to work in
Speaker 1: houses as like a housemaid or something to buy food.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that makes she spent the
Speaker 1: whole pregnancy with this fear of not having the money
Speaker 1: to feed us, so she was fearing it. And there
Speaker 1: is like I produced a movie with a friend of
Speaker 1: mine called Me, and it talks about this the thoughts,
Speaker 1: the negative thoughts that your mom cares and the pregnancy
Speaker 1: becomes neuropeptides in your in your brain, so that's why
Speaker 1: you have these thoughts. And I was like wow, mom.
Speaker 1: And I did the session with the lady and I
Speaker 1: got I never had this thought again. And then I
Speaker 1: was doing my birthday. It was thirty years old, so special,
Speaker 1: and I had this place that I wanted to do
Speaker 1: in Brazil and for some reason, every place I was
Speaker 1: trying it was not available. I was trying everywhere, all
Speaker 1: not available because of this not available. Because of that,
Speaker 1: I closed one place. No not avaiable anymore. So there's
Speaker 1: just this one place, just this one spot. And I said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. What can we do. It's the only spot.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go. So I sent my dad the invitation.
Speaker 1: Said to my dad, I said, oh, Dad, the party
Speaker 1: this year is going to be here. He was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, daughter, this address is my dad didn't
Speaker 1: know about the talk I had, so my mom nothing
Speaker 1: right and he's my best friend, but I didn't mention him.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh my god, daughter, this address used to
Speaker 1: be the company's address that I got fired when your
Speaker 1: mom was pregnant. And I was like, I'm dad, Wow,
Speaker 1: Like we're here celebrating my thirty years old with a
Speaker 1: party like full of everything that we were always afraid
Speaker 1: of not having and the same address. That's crazy where
Speaker 1: in life? That for me was such an answer from
Speaker 1: the universe, right, And I was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 1: so meaningful and life is full of these these situations
Speaker 1: that from me are not coincidents at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's incredible. It is that's really powerful, and
Speaker 2: I love that full circle moment. I agree and I
Speaker 2: love I mean the movie that you made is that out?
Speaker 2: Where can we watch that?
Speaker 1: Me? The name is me? My friend of mine, the
Speaker 1: one introduced me to this shaman. She did it, and
Speaker 1: then she called she asked me to help her producing
Speaker 1: it and sharing with the platforms and everything. So I
Speaker 1: was helping her on this final touch of the movie.
Speaker 1: And it talks about this about how you can get
Speaker 1: heritage from your parents, not only in your blood physical,
Speaker 1: but all also mental and calmas that come from your mom,
Speaker 1: from your grandmother, from because it comes from father to daughter,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's important to clean it, to work
Speaker 1: on it, because otherwise we're here with no purpose. We're
Speaker 1: not we get We spend all this time here and
Speaker 1: we don't figure out what's your purpose? What are you
Speaker 1: here for? You know? And I always had in my
Speaker 1: life this desire to understand. And when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I was very like that already. I used to dream
Speaker 1: a lot of about a lot of things. My mom
Speaker 1: tells me that I used to wake up and see people,
Speaker 1: and I was always very connected. I used to tell
Speaker 1: them everything that was going to happen in my life,
Speaker 1: every visions everything. I used to tell them, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sing here, I'm going to do this,
Speaker 1: our house is going to be like this, like this.
Speaker 1: I used to give them details of everything. And my dad,
Speaker 1: who was always very stressed with work, and he tells
Speaker 1: me that I used to come to him and say, Dad,
Speaker 1: don't worry. In the end, everything's going to be great.
Speaker 1: You will see you're so smart, you're so cute, you're
Speaker 1: so nice. In the end, you will see you're not
Speaker 1: gonna worry about any of this. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a singer. I'm going to do this and that. And
Speaker 1: it's so fun when he tells me, because I was
Speaker 1: actually describing so precisily with precisely what was going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you've it sounds like you've made so
Speaker 2: much spiritual investment in transforming your mind, your heart, your energy,
Speaker 2: your space. And at the same time you've also made
Speaker 2: physical changes, like I was learning that you also were
Speaker 2: on birth control and then you left birth control, and
Speaker 2: I feel like even those types of changes, yes, were
Speaker 2: linked to this kind of internal change that was going
Speaker 2: on right like walk me through how life has been
Speaker 2: different when you were on birth control and when you
Speaker 2: left like and woke us through that decision.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not natural. It was not natural,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was just and it's not fair
Speaker 1: if you stop to think why just the woman needs
Speaker 1: to suffer about this situation. You know, it needs to
Speaker 1: be a two people decision and prevention and care. But
Speaker 1: with hormones, it was crazy because I couldn't be It
Speaker 1: was just never life was never like this. It was
Speaker 1: like crazy to me and I don't get along. My
Speaker 1: body doesn't receive this well, you know. And when I
Speaker 1: started to accept to go into more of a natural life.
Speaker 1: Also in my nutrition, I try to eat vegan and
Speaker 1: a lot of moments not one hundred percent. I made
Speaker 1: it for two years and then wow it got Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really good. I hope I can get again
Speaker 1: in the future. But the more I can, I think
Speaker 1: if everyone cuts at least thirty percent, thirty percent, you
Speaker 1: can still eat, but just thirty percent less of animals,
Speaker 1: food and everything. It's already so good for the world,
Speaker 1: you know, and also for our energy. I understand it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's delicious. I couldn't I made it two years and
Speaker 1: I'm back, but just thirty percent less everyone. If we
Speaker 1: all get together in this decision, it's already a big
Speaker 1: shift for the universe. You know. That's what I believe.
Speaker 1: And it changed a lot to me when I started
Speaker 1: a care and give more attention and priority to this
Speaker 1: side of life, because before I was just worried about
Speaker 1: being more successful, richer, make more money. And what it
Speaker 1: was crazy was that I wanted to make more money,
Speaker 1: be more successful, but I had no idea how much
Speaker 1: money it had. I didn't check my bank accounts and
Speaker 1: I was just making to make it. I didn't even know. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: I'm more chill, but I know. I check my stuff,
Speaker 1: I take care of it. But I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: can chill. I don't need a bigger house, I don't
Speaker 1: need a two different cars. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: You know, how is the birth control negatively affecting you
Speaker 2: hormonially or.
Speaker 1: Hair loss? And then the skin goes crazy, and then
Speaker 1: the mood goes crazy, and then you get very depressed
Speaker 1: in a moment and then very happy and then very angry,
Speaker 1: and that it's rolla culture. It's a roller culture. And
Speaker 1: I just didn't want that and then and also your energy.
Speaker 1: When it gets close to the period, you have no energy.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to sleep all day. It was just
Speaker 1: so bad, And now I'm just stable.
Speaker 2: I'm always saying you feel that different.
Speaker 1: I can feel totally the difference. But it took for
Speaker 1: me more than a year to get clean from birth control,
Speaker 1: more than a year for me to stop feeling the
Speaker 1: side effects.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting what you said about that joint responsibility
Speaker 2: of prevention between two people, but it all falls on moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's two people deciding something right. It shouldn't be
Speaker 1: just the women's responsibility. And I feel like if it
Speaker 1: was the men getting pregnant, it would be very different,
Speaker 1: very different. The laws would be different, the birth controls
Speaker 1: would be different, everything would be very different.
Speaker 2: And I think people don't realize these side effects that
Speaker 2: you're explaining right now. I feel like it's so common
Speaker 2: for women to be on birth control, but people don't realize,
Speaker 2: like how many other negative impacts it's having in life,
Speaker 2: whether it's mood performance, yes, And.
Speaker 1: I think also in the future, maybe when you're older,
Speaker 1: you're going to feel more. And before I had I
Speaker 1: had a cobra IUD and it was so bad for
Speaker 1: my youthirs so bad. It was just a lot of blood,
Speaker 1: and it's worse for the endometriosities. It was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: So nowadays I just use condom. They exist. They exist
Speaker 1: for a reason, you know. I pray God, I talk
Speaker 1: to the universe. I planned with the universe. When it's
Speaker 1: the time, I use the condom and let's go, no,
Speaker 1: no kid today. I just I just I can feel it,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think the universe when you plant it
Speaker 1: and when you communicate. I communicate with the universe so much.
Speaker 1: I say, okay, so I want to do this, this
Speaker 1: and that, and then you can send me the person
Speaker 1: that I believe that it's a good person to be
Speaker 1: the father, be the father of my kids, and then
Speaker 1: or the mother, and then I will be ready to
Speaker 1: do it. But I want this answer for me to
Speaker 1: start this. I need the answer the universe to give
Speaker 1: me that. So I always talk. I write a lot
Speaker 1: what I want. I checked the eclipses the moon, and
Speaker 1: I write according to that. And then I feel like
Speaker 1: all of this are like natural, safe rituals that you
Speaker 1: can do that can only do good for you, you know.
Speaker 1: And I like to take baths, baths of plants, roses
Speaker 1: where different plants that are good for different I love
Speaker 1: the indigenous thoughts that that they have and the way
Speaker 1: the plants can cure everything, and also the energy. So
Speaker 1: I use that a lot on me. I do my
Speaker 1: own my own stuff.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. I love it. And you've talked a lot
Speaker 2: about the difference between your authentic self Larissa, and then
Speaker 2: any I want to know what are the differences in
Speaker 2: your mind now as you've been it seems like you've
Speaker 2: been aligning yourself, Like, what are the differences now?
Speaker 1: Yes, So every time I do family constellations. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know exactly how this process goes.
Speaker 2: I know a little bit, But tell us like this.
Speaker 1: You get a therapist that is the professional. She opens
Speaker 1: a circle of energy and then there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people there. Right, they know nothing about your life, nothing
Speaker 1: about your going there to treat, So you just tell them.
Speaker 1: You decide the theme so you can say, oh, I
Speaker 1: want to treat today, I want to treat my anxiety,
Speaker 1: or I want to treat depression or whatever. So I'm
Speaker 1: give an example. There was this day I said today
Speaker 1: I want to treat self love and then it comes
Speaker 1: for me. Right. So, and if you go there and
Speaker 1: you want to treat whatever these people, this ten people
Speaker 1: there are there, they're gonna get in their bodies the
Speaker 1: energy of the people from your family that caused you
Speaker 1: this trauma in your body in that precise moment. So
Speaker 1: let's say you have anxiety and then you say you
Speaker 1: sit there and say, oh, I have anxiety. These people
Speaker 1: one person is gonna receive your dad's energy. It's not
Speaker 1: that he's going to receive the spirit because your dad
Speaker 1: is alive, your mom is alive, everyone is alive. But
Speaker 1: they get the energy and they start telling you where
Speaker 1: this moment of trauma was done designed draw like written,
Speaker 1: you know. So let's suppose it's because when you were
Speaker 1: ten years old, your parents divorced and they were not together.
Speaker 1: They were fighting a lot. So they are gonna talk
Speaker 1: as if it was in that moment, and then the
Speaker 1: therapist will propose like a solution, which is like making
Speaker 1: peas with each other, understanding that's the best for your
Speaker 1: kid is to for you guys to understand the kid
Speaker 1: is half of each one. And then you get together
Speaker 1: and you're just one, right, and you're good. So I
Speaker 1: did it many times. So with this consolation, you understand
Speaker 1: the importance of valuing your dad and your mom or
Speaker 1: not buying the fight of choosing one side because you
Speaker 1: are fifty percent of each one of that. I'm fifty
Speaker 1: percent my dad, I'm fifty percent my mom. I cannot
Speaker 1: decide who wins the fight of their divortion because they
Speaker 1: are older, they are adults. I am just a kid
Speaker 1: that are not the responsible for that, And I need
Speaker 1: to understand and be grateful that they together did me.
Speaker 1: And if I start, if I choose a part, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be saying bye to fifty percent of myself. So
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be happy. I need to be grateful.
Speaker 1: So that's basically what happens in the constellation. So when
Speaker 1: I do my constellation, it's not only one person that
Speaker 1: represents me is too when person always comes with Anita's
Speaker 1: energy and the other was Ladissa energy, and Anita is
Speaker 1: very like a superhero. Let's suppose if Ladisa was like
Speaker 1: a kid insecure and afraid of being judged, afraid of
Speaker 1: not being loved, if she draws superhero, that's Anita, the
Speaker 1: one that goes there talk to people. Nothing bad happens
Speaker 1: to me. I'm the best, I'm the greatest. I do
Speaker 1: whatever I want, And that's how it came to life.
Speaker 1: And when I was becoming a singer, I put this
Speaker 1: character in real life. The problem is that I was
Speaker 1: working so much to fulfill my emptiness, and when I
Speaker 1: was working, I was Anita that I started to leave.
Speaker 1: I was just that and not value what I was
Speaker 1: Esla Lisa because it was insecure, a regular human that
Speaker 1: has regular feelings, that can be said, that can be hurt,
Speaker 1: that can be all of that. So that was when
Speaker 1: my balance went, like this, and it's bad. The other
Speaker 1: fifty percent cannot be cannot feel like you're a shit show.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter if you have another one
Speaker 1: that comes out and say I am amazing. The other
Speaker 1: fifty percent needs to believe that because the other fifty
Speaker 1: percent was the one that created this one. You know
Speaker 1: for sure, it's the creature and the creator both are amazing.
Speaker 1: So I needed to accept and see qualities in both
Speaker 1: of it and let Anita is just like this crazy
Speaker 1: girl comes there and also comes from a place of
Speaker 1: I was assaulted when I was a teenager, and I
Speaker 1: had to speak about it because I was afraid of
Speaker 1: someone in Brazil that apparently found out I don't know how,
Speaker 1: and I was I didn't want my my seek, my
Speaker 1: deep secret to be spread, not by me, so I
Speaker 1: needed to talk about it. And after that happened when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager, I felt like if I was
Speaker 1: like this, no guy would have would have done that
Speaker 1: to me. So I created Anita from this moment of
Speaker 1: pain and sadness. Right because of that, I cannot feel
Speaker 1: like Letty says, less you know, I'm just a human
Speaker 1: that has the same insecurities and fears, and and the
Speaker 1: feel the feeling like half of me had of Anita
Speaker 1: that oh yeah, that's only good thing that was making
Speaker 1: me really bad. And I also think that maybe that's
Speaker 1: why me as a character Anita was just talking so
Speaker 1: much about sex, about I do this. Sometimes I wasn't
Speaker 1: even doing shit. I wasn't even doing not even ten
Speaker 1: percent of what I was saying. But I needed to
Speaker 1: carry the person or not that persona was really important
Speaker 1: and that that hurt me my other side for because
Speaker 1: we feel like, come on, I'm not doing that's not real,
Speaker 1: that's not real. Why am I doing this? And sometimes
Speaker 1: that would push me away from relationships that I really
Speaker 1: wanted to have, and I just and at the same time,
Speaker 1: this battle would never let me get interested on anybody
Speaker 1: because I was always feeling It's like a subconscious thing.
Speaker 1: I would always feel like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: So I would never be interested on anybody, or I
Speaker 1: would be for three months and then I'll be like, eh, next,
Speaker 1: next battle, next challenge. And that's not healthy. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it's different.
Speaker 2: Did you believe in right person, wrong time at the
Speaker 2: time and now you have?
Speaker 1: I believe in that. I believe that when things are
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, they're gonna happen, no matter when. It
Speaker 1: can be now, it can be later, it can come back.
Speaker 1: So I don't believe. I think that's more it. But
Speaker 1: I also believe that the things that society put in
Speaker 1: our head can mess up relations, all types of relations
Speaker 1: for us. For example, I'm a singer, I'm successful, I
Speaker 1: have my money. It's Sarah. It's Sarah. If I decide
Speaker 1: tomorrow to date a regular guy that I met in
Speaker 1: a bar at a bar, people will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's all she could get. Oh my god, Anita with
Speaker 1: this nobody. Ugh. If it's a man, a successful singer,
Speaker 1: rich guy meeting a girl in the street that works
Speaker 1: in a store or works in a bar or whatever.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, so nice, did you see Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he met a grocer, was a bartender. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and he valued her so much. Oh so nice. Is
Speaker 1: so sweet? What a great man. But if it's a famous, successful,
Speaker 1: rich woman, oh my god, that's all she could get
Speaker 1: a bartender. Ugh sucks. Oh no, real man value her.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you need a man on your
Speaker 1: level or more to decide if you're valuable or not.
Speaker 1: So I think with society and also like for a man,
Speaker 1: if you were with a woman more successful than you,
Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god, you see the woman
Speaker 1: is so much more. And then if it's not this
Speaker 1: guy's self esteem. So I think it's ying and yang
Speaker 1: situation that the society is not understanding that women can
Speaker 1: women can be ying or yeah or you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that mess up with a lot of
Speaker 1: good opportunities of people getting together because of society's statements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's a really really interesting point.
Speaker 2: And I think there's so many versions of that. Like
Speaker 2: I've met people that are like, oh, well, I can't
Speaker 2: date that person because if I date someone outside of
Speaker 2: my community, then people will say, oh, he doesn't date
Speaker 2: people in our community, or vice versa. And I feel
Speaker 2: like there's so many versions of that and the gender
Speaker 2: breakdown you just shared. I think it sadly is true,
Speaker 2: and that's why we can't live up try to live
Speaker 2: up to society's expectations exactly, We're always going to give away,
Speaker 2: throw away, amazing life opportunities. Yes, I know, someone was
Speaker 2: saying to me they can't do a movie because people
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to see them with a certain person. And
Speaker 2: so people are giving up huge career opportunities for themselves
Speaker 2: because they're worried about what people will think or what
Speaker 2: people will say. And I mean talking about that you
Speaker 2: recently paid homage to Native Brazilian religions in your new
Speaker 2: music video. Yeah, and you know, which is deeply important
Speaker 2: to you, and you have this, I think elegant way
Speaker 2: of balancing your beliefs and even today I think we
Speaker 2: can see what a spiritual individual you are. But not
Speaker 2: everyone was happy about that. I think it was like
Speaker 2: someone like two hundred thousand people decided to not follow
Speaker 2: you anymore.
Speaker 1: Now it's three hundred.
Speaker 2: That's three hundred thousand, right, Like, walk me through why
Speaker 2: it was important to you to pay homage to those traditions,
Speaker 2: why they were so important to you, and then how
Speaker 2: do you respond and react to the feeling of three
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people? Now you said, so, I already knew
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 1: Going to happen, because people are very The intolerance of
Speaker 1: people of their beliefs and different beliefs is so it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy people don't accept from In my opinion, religions
Speaker 1: are it's like veins that go to a heart. They
Speaker 1: just are in different spots, but they get to the
Speaker 1: same place to be a better human, to evolve that
Speaker 1: what's religion is to me? And I believe in all
Speaker 1: of them. You can see I go to the Shanti
Speaker 1: Shahman to the church with my mother and then my
Speaker 1: Yoruba religion. So my mom is very Catholic. My dad,
Speaker 1: my dad's family brings with him the Yoruba religion. Right
Speaker 1: that this religion comes from heritages of souls. Right. Religion
Speaker 1: was originally in Africa and when the slaves were kidnapped
Speaker 1: by from their countries to be brought to America South America.
Speaker 1: They of course had their beliefs and religions, but they
Speaker 1: were very bad punished if they were exercising their religions
Speaker 1: in Brazil or whatever. So they would kidnap the slaves,
Speaker 1: bring to Brazil and tell them, now you're Catholic, we
Speaker 1: don't care and you cannot exercise your religion here. And
Speaker 1: if they did, punishment killing, not only punishment in Brazil
Speaker 1: in two Nowadays people get into the temples Tereiros, the
Speaker 1: temples of Yoruba, to break and kill in the name
Speaker 1: of Jesus. I honestly don't believe Jesus. I believe in
Speaker 1: Jesus so much and God everything, but I don't believe
Speaker 1: Jesus would come to anybody such a bride soul would say,
Speaker 1: if you see somebody doing that, kill this person. I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that. I think Jesus for me
Speaker 1: is forgiven. Forgiveness is love, is understanding each other's moment
Speaker 1: and how the speed of each one to evolve. Right,
Speaker 1: it's harder for one's, easier for others. It's faster for
Speaker 1: ones for others, it's not. I believe Jesus and all
Speaker 1: the angels and all the odishas they're all ready when
Speaker 1: a soul asks for forgiveness and for help. I believe
Speaker 1: they're always ready to help. So I don't believe there
Speaker 1: is a God or Jesus that punishes some for not
Speaker 1: following the rule. I don't believe in that. And my
Speaker 1: religion believes in the forces of nature yorubam in Brazil
Speaker 1: is called condomble. We believe in there are entities of
Speaker 1: different like the waterfall, the fire, the river, the forest,
Speaker 1: the rain, the sea, so that's what we believe. The
Speaker 1: sea yeamans from the sea. The fire is Yansa, the
Speaker 1: waterfalls zoshume, the forest is Osha sea. So we believe
Speaker 1: in these things and the nature energies because of the
Speaker 1: fact that a lot of people can impersonate or feel
Speaker 1: the energy and their bodies. They say it's the demon,
Speaker 1: but you can't just say things without going there and
Speaker 1: searching for real getting closed and understanding. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: see what is this? And I feel like when I
Speaker 1: in my religion and I follow it. Since I'm a kid,
Speaker 1: because of my dad, I never felt bad. I always
Speaker 1: felt like this piece and I can't believe the evil
Speaker 1: force can just make you feel like so connected to
Speaker 1: God and so good, you know, and avoiding things that
Speaker 1: are not good for you. You know. When we're there,
Speaker 1: we cannot drink alcohol, We cannot you know, it's it's clean,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. We don't believe in the devil. We don't
Speaker 1: believe there is a devil. There is a demon. We
Speaker 1: believe in humans that can get to a very very
Speaker 1: low frequency, a very dark place where their souls and
Speaker 1: then they can become evil and mean. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to pass the responsibility. I don't want to just say, oh,
Speaker 1: there is the devil, and the devil is gonna make
Speaker 1: me be mean. No, we're all humans and we have
Speaker 1: the we have the dark side inside of us, and
Speaker 1: if we let it go, we're gonna become that. We
Speaker 1: cannot find another another person to blame. Oh no, I
Speaker 1: did that because the devil. No, you let's take responsibility,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I don't believe my religion. We
Speaker 1: don't believe there is the demon and God. There is God.
Speaker 1: There is like beautiful light spirits, but there is like
Speaker 1: people souls that can get to a dark place, and
Speaker 1: it's our responsibility to decide if we want to go there,
Speaker 1: or if we want to go there, not because we
Speaker 1: are scared of the law and the justice of a
Speaker 1: punishing God. Because we want to be good. I want
Speaker 1: to be good because I want to feel good. I
Speaker 1: want to be a good person, not because I'm scared
Speaker 1: if I die. Oh my god, they're gonna come and
Speaker 1: kill me.
Speaker 2: No, you know, yeah, And it's it seems like that
Speaker 2: because you knew that you simply trying to share and
Speaker 2: express your values and your beliefs and your homage, and
Speaker 2: you were already disconnected from the fact that people may
Speaker 2: have a negative viewpoint towards it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't. I actually did not care because I
Speaker 1: think whoever wants to follow Nowadays, I chose this, whoever
Speaker 1: wants to follow me follows me. If it's ten people,
Speaker 1: if it's a million, amazing, I'll be happy with ten.
Speaker 1: I will be happy with a million. I don't care.
Speaker 1: But I just felt like in Brazil it's so much prejudice.
Speaker 1: I feel like I like to speak up about a
Speaker 1: lot of things in my country, not only my country,
Speaker 1: but whatever. I feel like I have knowledge enough to
Speaker 1: speak of, I do it. Or I started studying and
Speaker 1: then after some months years. I'm going to speak about
Speaker 1: it when I feel like I know enough. It has
Speaker 1: to be a reason why we get famous, or we
Speaker 1: get recognized, or we get people to follow, so us
Speaker 1: we have to use it for something. I can't think like, Okay,
Speaker 1: God gave me sixty five million people to be looking
Speaker 1: at what I'm doing, and I'm just gonna tell them
Speaker 1: by this, buy that, use this, use that, and make
Speaker 1: money and be rich. I can't. I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to give back good things for people to have
Speaker 1: the same tools that I have to be better humans,
Speaker 1: to be good, and if they feel like they struggle
Speaker 1: in something, I want to If I have the power
Speaker 1: or the knowledge to send something good, I want to
Speaker 1: do it. So I always felt this mission, this responsibility
Speaker 1: in me, and I don't judge who don't. I feel
Speaker 1: like each person has your own nose. But because when
Speaker 1: you do this, that's what happens. You lose people, you
Speaker 1: get criticized, and some people cannot take it. And I
Speaker 1: understand that, so I don't judge. I can take it
Speaker 1: because I don't. If what damn, I couldn't care less.
Speaker 1: So I do it because I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are in need of these things because I
Speaker 1: know how much my religion helped me when I was struggling,
Speaker 1: when I feel like I didn't want to live life
Speaker 1: anymore because it was not interesting, because I was not lovable.
Speaker 1: I know how much the religion taught me that I
Speaker 1: am part of the nature. I belong to this. So
Speaker 1: I want more people to feel that if you want
Speaker 1: to feel great, if you don't, it's okay, you can
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, It's one of the things I've been
Speaker 2: thinking about lately is when you get into the top
Speaker 2: one percent of any industry or any place, you get
Speaker 2: a lot of one percent experiences. So some of those
Speaker 2: are these really tough experiences of lots of people disagreeing
Speaker 2: with you, lots of people may not like what you're doing,
Speaker 2: the choices that you make. And then at the same time,
Speaker 2: which is what you happen happen do you recently? You
Speaker 2: recently joined Madonna on a tour and did this most
Speaker 2: historic event of I think one point six million people,
Speaker 2: Like I think that's the largest ever audience at a concert,
Speaker 2: And it's almost like you go from having this experience
Speaker 2: of you know, having hundreds of thousands of people unfollow
Speaker 2: you to then having these moments where you're a part
Speaker 2: of history. I mean, what did that feel like? What
Speaker 2: was that experience? Like?
Speaker 1: It was great. In Brazil, they do these concerts in
Speaker 1: Copacabana Beach. I did once. It was but it was
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, so it was five million people. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: you've done a No, but it's because it was New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve. Come on, Madonna, was it was there? No,
Speaker 1: it was her. She was the event was and she
Speaker 1: got a million and six hundred thousand people. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people in Brazil do that in
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve at the beach and it's amazing. But
Speaker 1: also her concert had a lot of conservatives saying like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so oh the devil, the
Speaker 1: ugh like she was a woman that a dedicated her
Speaker 1: life to fight for people for their sexualities, for the
Speaker 1: LGBTQ community, for women to be free to feel pleasure
Speaker 1: because just men could feel pleasure, and she fought for
Speaker 1: that and you have to be really brave to face
Speaker 1: and in that time when she started, it was crazy
Speaker 1: cops coming to her concert and all the things that
Speaker 1: she faced too, because she knew she was bringing acceptance
Speaker 1: to people that wanted to come out, that wanted to
Speaker 1: be proud of being gay, that wanted to be proud
Speaker 1: of being lesbian, of having feeling pleasure as a woman.
Speaker 1: So to me, that was really important. That was a
Speaker 1: woman celebrating, like with a million gays, a million and
Speaker 1: something gays at the beach that they were free to
Speaker 1: be gays. That was amazing, you know, not only gays,
Speaker 1: but I mean families accepting gays, lesbians, trends. It was
Speaker 1: so important. But a lot of conservatives were like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the devil, this is this is that. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like we have the choice of doing
Speaker 1: whatever we want, and we don't need to judge our
Speaker 1: We're not judges of anything. Before judging another person, we
Speaker 1: got to see our own situations. So I just don't
Speaker 1: feel if you don't want to do it, you can
Speaker 1: just go do your thing and let people do what
Speaker 1: they want. You know, we're not judges here. We're all
Speaker 1: souls looking for evolution. And I was so happy that
Speaker 1: she she invited me. I also fight for so many
Speaker 1: things that I've believe in my country, you know, and
Speaker 1: I and I try to help as much as I
Speaker 1: can nowadays, mostly indigenous and indigenous causes, because the way
Speaker 1: politicians are killing the Amazon, it's crazy. The way they're
Speaker 1: just not giving damn to the to the Amazon, to
Speaker 1: the environment, it's insane. So I like to fight for
Speaker 1: that because nature has no voice. Indigeners are not on
Speaker 1: social media, they're not influencers. They're there. There are very
Speaker 1: good influencers, but still don't have voices that have Indigenous origins.
Speaker 1: So I like to do my best. And I was
Speaker 1: just so happy to be there. I was so happy
Speaker 1: that she invited me.
Speaker 2: How did you invite? How did you reach out? How
Speaker 2: did that come around?
Speaker 1: We had a song together on her album some years ago,
Speaker 1: a funk song on her album, and uh, then when
Speaker 1: she came to Brazil, the first thing she said, okay,
Speaker 1: we got to do this, and I actually couldn't. And
Speaker 1: then I was like moving so many things around so
Speaker 1: I could be there. It was so important. And she
Speaker 1: also invited Pablo Guitar, which is a drag queen, very good,
Speaker 1: great singer of Brazil, very successful, famous drag queen of Brazil.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I mean, you know when I'm speaking to
Speaker 2: you today and I think when you look at someone
Speaker 2: like yourself. It's very easy to forget the challenges and
Speaker 2: the hardships that someone's had on the way up. You know,
Speaker 2: when you see someone successful, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: the time we even if we knew them on the
Speaker 2: way up, we start believing people were an overnight success.
Speaker 2: And that's when you were saying earlier that you know,
Speaker 2: then we start to write people off, we find the
Speaker 2: next person whatever. But you've talked a lot about, you know,
Speaker 2: even like looking at it from a forward thinking perspective,
Speaker 2: you talked about just challenges you had with your record
Speaker 2: label and then finding the right label, Like, could you
Speaker 2: walk us through some of the key challenges you've had
Speaker 2: in even breaking out, because I think the odds of
Speaker 2: someone like yourself from the Villas who does this is
Speaker 2: so rare and difficult, and you know, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the odds are, but I'm guessing it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, one in whatever, walk us through some of
Speaker 2: those key challenges that you think you've had to break
Speaker 2: through on the way up, not now, but the ones
Speaker 2: that you've had on that journey. And maybe the record
Speaker 2: label one is a good one to start with.
Speaker 1: I think, No, I think the first one was in
Speaker 1: my country because I come from the favelas, from the ghetto,
Speaker 1: from the communities, and the rhythm that we do there's funk,
Speaker 1: which would be like the hip hop in the nineties
Speaker 1: here in the US. People getting arrested for doing it,
Speaker 1: people suffering a lot of prejudice. So that was the
Speaker 1: first one that I was like, Wow, people don't want
Speaker 1: me in restaurants, people don't want me in magazines, people
Speaker 1: don't want me anywhere. They think I'm the shit show
Speaker 1: because I come from this environment, you know, from this
Speaker 1: that's my origin. So that was like the first one
Speaker 1: for me to fight against that. And just like I
Speaker 1: couldn't even like find a management. I was my own
Speaker 1: manager for so many years, you know, I just I
Speaker 1: would be the one going to the brands trying to
Speaker 1: convince them to support me, or to the radios to
Speaker 1: negotiate my songs. Yeah, yes, me and my brother to
Speaker 1: negotiate like concerts and everything like that. It was just
Speaker 1: me and my brother for so many years. And then
Speaker 1: after that, I think like coming out and convincing label,
Speaker 1: coming out of Brazil, convincing label team everybody that this
Speaker 1: could be something, you know, because the last time we
Speaker 1: had a successful artist was fifty years ago with tom
Speaker 1: Jo being with a girl from Ipanema and Venicos de
Speaker 1: Maris and a woman. It was in the with Carme
Speaker 1: and Miranda. So they were like, no, that doesn't that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen Brazilians. No, because when you say like a
Speaker 1: Latin singer, Brazil is a Latin country, but we speak Portuguese,
Speaker 1: so it's very different. There is another barrier because we
Speaker 1: speak Portuguese not Spanish. So the songs that go on
Speaker 1: in a Spanish market don't happen in Brazil. Whatever happens
Speaker 1: in Brazil don't happen in a Spanish market. So for
Speaker 1: me to convince the label or the team, my own team,
Speaker 1: my own brother, that this would work was really hard.
Speaker 1: He was like, wow, you finally when we broke the
Speaker 1: presidents here, you want to go to another thing. We
Speaker 1: didn't even take time to rest. But again my amptiness
Speaker 1: was like, no, where are you gonna get it? Where
Speaker 1: you gonna conquer the world? And I just wanted to.
Speaker 1: I like to try new things. I like to challenge myself.
Speaker 1: You know, I get bored very easily, you know, not
Speaker 1: only of men. Now he's going to finish for God's sake,
Speaker 1: and I was changing. That's changing thanks to Jesus, thanks
Speaker 1: to the spiritual journey. There's also it right because people
Speaker 1: think women when it's when a woman doesn't have a
Speaker 1: relationship for many years because a man didn't want it.
Speaker 1: No babies, because I didn't want it. Let's see what
Speaker 1: happens from that one. But it was a big challenge,
Speaker 1: and my brother was always like, oh my god, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. He would go just to be with me,
Speaker 1: to protect me. But nobody else they would just be like,
Speaker 1: I am not going with this girl. She's crazy, you know.
Speaker 1: And I would put my own money. I would just do,
Speaker 1: you know, just from what I believe and go for it.
Speaker 1: I just think the difference was that before I was
Speaker 1: very anxious and pressured and nervous about it, and always
Speaker 1: like with this feeling of like, no, I need to
Speaker 1: get it, I need to get it. Nowadays, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, whatever happens happens. But this was a big one.
Speaker 1: And now with and then and then It's funny because
Speaker 1: when I started to like bring people from a Spanish
Speaker 1: market to Brazil and then come out with my stuff
Speaker 1: to outside and things started to go right and go well.
Speaker 1: Then everyone wants to figure out how to do it.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to do it too, and I'm like okay,
Speaker 1: and then two nowadays, like my album was, it's not
Speaker 1: an easy album to put out. It's a funk, a
Speaker 1: Brazilian funk album. People don't do Brazilian funk. There's no
Speaker 1: playlist to add my songs because it's not it's not
Speaker 1: in Portuguese, so the Brazilian funk playlist it's not in Portuguese.
Speaker 1: Here outside, there's no playlist of Front of Funk in English,
Speaker 1: in Spanish neither. So basically doing like something. Let's see
Speaker 1: if everyone joins this crazy. I'm sure they will, Let's
Speaker 1: see what happens. The only reason I could put this
Speaker 1: album out now is because I was super sick. I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to die, remember, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna because I've been trying to
Speaker 1: did this album for so long, but everyone was always like, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's a fail. This album has no place to
Speaker 1: put and you see the Okay, this is country, this
Speaker 1: is pop, this is your album. There's nothing where it
Speaker 1: is going to be. Is just going to hang around
Speaker 1: and It took me a very like spiritual place of
Speaker 1: detachment to be like, Okay, I'm gonna put out whatever
Speaker 1: happens happens. So I was sick. I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to die. I was like, I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: an album where I like an album that I would
Speaker 1: do if I didn't care about any of these things
Speaker 1: because I'm dying, so whatever. So I did this album
Speaker 1: exactly like that, and it just got bad. You got better,
Speaker 1: didn't die, and the album was out. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because still has a lot of like challenges with this
Speaker 1: album because it doesn't have a place to sit. But
Speaker 1: I honestly don't care. I'm so proud. I love the album.
Speaker 1: I can't stop listening to it. And most of my
Speaker 1: albums I would do to try to get streams and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't listen to it, but this, I'm like so
Speaker 1: proud of it. I don't like touring because it's so
Speaker 1: for me. It's such a struggle to be flying from
Speaker 1: place to place with no home, being in hotels. I
Speaker 1: carry it back just of like cleansing to the hotels
Speaker 1: I get there. I have a sage, I have candles,
Speaker 1: I put mantras in the rooms very loud and be like,
Speaker 1: oh clean this Jesus, come clean this beadroom, pass bad
Speaker 1: put spraise. But for me, it's like a big pressure
Speaker 1: to be flying from city to city. I called all
Speaker 1: my priests and shamans and I was like, help me
Speaker 1: in the store because now I love this album so much,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I want to do a tour because
Speaker 1: I like dancing to this album. I like singing it.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: So we're doing it and tomorrow tonight is my second,
Speaker 1: my third concert from the store and I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: But I told them help me here because I need
Speaker 1: all this spiritual connection for me to not go crazy
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of hotels, jumping from place to place.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not healthy mentally. It's important the routine
Speaker 1: and to have like grounding core it's important. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I I need support, spiritual support. But
Speaker 1: I love this album so much that I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it because I have so much fun
Speaker 1: on stage doing it. If I'm singing for two thousand people,
Speaker 1: three thousand people, or forty or fifty, it's the same.
Speaker 1: I just feel really happy.
Speaker 2: I know you talked about the chat nge of changing
Speaker 2: record labels, and you talked about this pain point of
Speaker 2: just like I think at one point you said like
Speaker 2: you would literally give all your organs away if you know,
Speaker 2: if you could get out of it, walk us through
Speaker 2: those kind of decisions, because I feel like if you're
Speaker 2: not in the music industry, we don't actually understand what's
Speaker 2: controlling what and how things interlink, and we don't know
Speaker 2: what artists are going through. So from that perspective, if
Speaker 2: you could tell us about that transition.
Speaker 1: So about record label I just think I do think
Speaker 1: nowadays that I wasn't that mature on the way I
Speaker 1: did it. But maybe if I didn't do that way,
Speaker 1: I wasn't be in the position that I am right now.
Speaker 1: So we would never know it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I will never be like, oh oh my god, I'd
Speaker 1: never regret things, because I think things happen for a reason.
Speaker 1: It's just I really think the way things happen and
Speaker 1: business should change a little bit, you know, because when
Speaker 1: we are when we were chasing something, we don't know
Speaker 1: what's there, right, so we just we go through deals
Speaker 1: and situations not knowing what's the reality when we get there.
Speaker 1: And that's a very tricky point because if I'm on
Speaker 1: this side and I know what's the reality, why would
Speaker 1: I do something to the person that I know is
Speaker 1: going to be there and it's going to be different,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just think business in general, not
Speaker 1: only labels, but yes, labels, to the investments, the things.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because I'm more of a
Speaker 1: business person than just the artists. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I have the perfect voice or the best dance or
Speaker 1: the I think I have a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: and then I get there. You know, it's a combo.
Speaker 1: I just think the investments and the thing. It should
Speaker 1: be more clear so we understand why they do some
Speaker 1: type of things and why you should do some type
Speaker 1: of things. But sometimes in all the business, all the industry,
Speaker 1: and then it's not only about record labels, people come
Speaker 1: here and they say yeah, yeah, let's do it, and
Speaker 1: they leave and they're like, uh, forget it, and this
Speaker 1: should not be like that. Things should be And for me,
Speaker 1: things are very I like real stuff, real talk. You
Speaker 1: sit down on me, I will tell you. The problem
Speaker 1: is Papa, Papa, da da da da, And I expect
Speaker 1: you to say, okay, so the problem here is da
Speaker 1: da da da da da da da da da da.
Speaker 1: And I'll be like, okay, how we get disorted. We
Speaker 1: do this, we do da da cool. Cool, we both
Speaker 1: do it. But sometimes most of the times it's not.
Speaker 1: I sit and I and I'm never gonna change. So
Speaker 1: I just sit down and I'm like, here's the problem. Papa,
Speaker 1: pa pa, pa pa. That doesn't mean I don't like you,
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't mean you're not a good person. That
Speaker 1: means we have this problem. And nowadays, me and my
Speaker 1: brother we work together for so many years, so when
Speaker 1: we have issues in a company, we have a company together.
Speaker 1: We have crazy fights. Let's go to the movies.
Speaker 2: Let's and we go.
Speaker 1: Because we love each other, we can discussata. Whatever I
Speaker 1: said is what's gonna happen. Whatever he said is what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Bah bah bah boom. And we have the
Speaker 1: ability of still looking at each other's face and be like,
Speaker 1: I appreciate, I love you. Let's go do whatever. But
Speaker 1: people have a very hard time on doing that, and
Speaker 1: I don't. I will never understand why, but that's how
Speaker 1: things work. They just talk here, I talk my real shita.
Speaker 1: They talk whatever is necessary for you to shut up,
Speaker 1: and then you go home and you see that it
Speaker 1: worked for nothing, for no reason. You spent two hours
Speaker 1: of life that you could have been sleeping, taking a nap, literally,
Speaker 1: And then people have this. But I think it's in
Speaker 1: all industries. I don't think it's only in record labels.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's only in music. I think it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: People in work have a very hard time on sitting
Speaker 1: down and being like the problem for you is this?
Speaker 1: For me is this, let's do this, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: do what they actually agreed. It's so for me it's
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I would never get to understand
Speaker 1: the way business run. That's why I go slow, you know,
Speaker 1: with my hard times.
Speaker 2: But I go, that's brilliant. I love hearing that, and
Speaker 2: I can see just I want everyone who's listening, if
Speaker 2: you're not watching, when I'm sitting with you, I I
Speaker 2: it's so resonant to me that it's such a peaceful
Speaker 2: place with that, and what I think is really beautiful
Speaker 2: and special. I was in Bhutan recently this year, and
Speaker 2: Bhutan's known for measuring gross national happiness, not GDP, so
Speaker 2: they measure happiness then they have spiritual tradition and it's
Speaker 2: landlocked between India and China. It's a tiny country, but
Speaker 2: they have this incredible heart of spirituality that runs through
Speaker 2: everything they do. And the king famously said they measure
Speaker 2: GNH gross National happiness. So I was visiting there this
Speaker 2: year and I met a filmmaker there. His name was Poo,
Speaker 2: very wonderful gentleman, very very talented, and he, with a
Speaker 2: very small budget for a movie, made a movie that
Speaker 2: got Oscar nominated. But Bhutan wasn't even on the list
Speaker 2: of countries to have an Oscar nomination. But because of him,
Speaker 2: now the movie got you know, the Bhutan is now
Speaker 2: on the list. And I often think about that with cultures, traditions,
Speaker 2: genres that we don't know about yet, that there aren't
Speaker 2: a Grammy award for that, aren't you know? Like you're
Speaker 2: saying like there isn't a place for Brazilian funk, Like
Speaker 2: what playlist does that go on? But I think that's
Speaker 2: what the world is looking for right now, this opportunity
Speaker 2: to be introduced. I'm always looking for discovering new I
Speaker 2: was I was talking about records. I really got into
Speaker 2: collecting records, and I was traveling and I really got
Speaker 2: into Brazilian jazz lately, and I never knew about Brazilian
Speaker 2: jazz growing up, and if it wasn't for the ability
Speaker 2: to bump into something, and so I actually think what
Speaker 2: you're doing for music, for the audio library, for people
Speaker 2: to have these experiences is really cool and powerful because
Speaker 2: just like Pow who's trying to tell the story of
Speaker 2: Bhutan that you, like you asked, where is that, a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know where Bhutan is and they
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. But because of power, now
Speaker 2: they can watch his movies and understand Bhutan. And similarly
Speaker 2: with you, someone who may not know about Brazilian funk
Speaker 2: is now going to have the opportunity to understand what
Speaker 2: that is and what that feels like. And you think
Speaker 2: about that, like someone had to be first, whether it
Speaker 2: was hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yes, whether it were but it's always going to be
Speaker 1: harder for the first boys. It's good. It's always gonna
Speaker 1: be harder the first.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: And uh, even nowadays with funk in Brazil, it was
Speaker 1: not playing the radios, it was not the events, couldn't
Speaker 1: play funk. It was very hard. It could only listen
Speaker 1: to it in the favelas, inside of the communities, so
Speaker 1: it was a big, big fight. Nowadays people forget it,
Speaker 1: but at that time me my brother that we worked
Speaker 1: hard for it to happen. We remember very well because
Speaker 1: we know the struggle. But I actually used to care
Speaker 1: a lot if people remembered or not. Nowadays I just
Speaker 1: don't care. I just want to have a good time.
Speaker 1: I just want to be happy, because before I was
Speaker 1: doing it, but I wanted the credibility of people saying
Speaker 1: that I was the one who did it and that.
Speaker 1: There was a time my therapist, which is my schaman,
Speaker 1: she said, so why are you doing I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: because you know, I want to change people's lives. And
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, so why do you care if
Speaker 1: people acknowledge if it was you or not. If they
Speaker 1: change the life, that's it. That's what you wanted. And
Speaker 1: then I was thinking, I was like, what an ego trip?
Speaker 1: That I was right because I would say it was
Speaker 1: for the people, but I was very worried with the
Speaker 1: people if the people were saying it was me. So
Speaker 1: in the end of the day, if it's for the people,
Speaker 1: we should not care if people are acknowledging or not.
Speaker 1: If it was you or not. So right now, I'm
Speaker 1: in this place of like, and and I think that's
Speaker 1: what it took, it would take for me to be
Speaker 1: in this spiritual place of like, to do this album
Speaker 1: or to do whatever I want to do, to be
Speaker 1: on a place of like, not care about the response,
Speaker 1: just do what makes me happy at the moment, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm like very much like that now. And I
Speaker 1: understand that could be less successful. Maybe not number one,
Speaker 1: maybe not number fifty, but I could careless because inside
Speaker 1: I feel way better than when I was number one,
Speaker 1: so much happier.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you. I feel that for you. Know,
Speaker 2: what a beautiful place to be in, Anita. You have
Speaker 2: been a joy to talk to. Honestly, I've enjoyed so
Speaker 2: much sharing energy with you, exchanging energy with you. I
Speaker 2: feel I feel uplifted, inspired, I feel connected, And I
Speaker 2: think everyone who's listening and watching will have felt that
Speaker 2: from your presence and your words. And you know the
Speaker 2: wisdom that you shared as well. I think you've You've
Speaker 2: mentioned in your own words Certatimes, so many times I
Speaker 2: think you've been underestimated. People only perceive someone for the
Speaker 2: character they play or from one dimension, and my genuine
Speaker 2: hope and intention is that this interview will just showcase
Speaker 2: the multifaceted, multi dimensional individual that you are. And I
Speaker 2: love the way you're able to be playful and profound
Speaker 2: all at the same time.
Speaker 1: I think people, that's what I want from people now
Speaker 1: in my life and my career. I want people to
Speaker 1: understand that we need to find a balance. We are
Speaker 1: in the material world, so we cannot be just spiritual.
Speaker 1: We need to eat, we need to you know, we
Speaker 1: need to work so we can have house to live in.
Speaker 1: So we just need to find the balance. So I
Speaker 1: do make music, to shake your ass, to have fun,
Speaker 1: to jump, let's have sex, da da da. But it's
Speaker 1: also important to come back and have the other side too.
Speaker 1: So we can never be happy if we only go
Speaker 1: into one side. The other side is always going to
Speaker 1: feel like, oh but it didn't look at me. We
Speaker 1: need to have the balance, the perfect balance. That's why
Speaker 1: we are in a material world. To understand that the
Speaker 1: balance in between these two things. To be able to
Speaker 1: walk around here and not let these things make you
Speaker 1: feel like heavy and life is only material, or just
Speaker 1: not only walk around here and forget the other side. Exists.
Speaker 1: You know, we're here in the middle, and that's the
Speaker 1: most important thing to be in the middle.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, Well said. We end every on purpose interview
Speaker 2: with a final five. So these questions have to be
Speaker 2: answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay, and
Speaker 2: so these are your final five, Anita. Question number one,
Speaker 2: what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?
Speaker 1: I think it's that I'm in control. I comment, what
Speaker 1: people do, they comment, how you react and receive you comment?
Speaker 2: Well said. What is the worst advice you've ever heard
Speaker 2: or received?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Never give up?
Speaker 1: Oh I hate this. Never give up.
Speaker 2: It's okay to give up.
Speaker 1: My god, it's so okay to give up. If you're struggling,
Speaker 1: give up, take a nap, rest, do something. Then you
Speaker 1: come back when you're fine.
Speaker 2: Well said, all right. Question over three, what's the first
Speaker 2: thing you do in the morning and the last thing
Speaker 2: you do every night?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the same. I have this book five minutes
Speaker 1: a day. I wake up, I write what three things
Speaker 1: I want for the day. If they think three things
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for and affirmations at night, same page, how
Speaker 1: three things I was amazing on the day and what
Speaker 1: I learned today?
Speaker 2: I love that question before. What's something you've learned recently?
Speaker 1: I learned this very important thing. When a person don't
Speaker 1: ask you for help, don't help. If the person asks
Speaker 1: you help, don't help someone that didn't ask for the help.
Speaker 1: If she didn't ask, she doesn't want or he Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's unsolicited.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we try because we are buying someone's struggle. Oh
Speaker 1: and this person can feel offended. This for the energy
Speaker 1: and the family constellation. We learned that when you help
Speaker 1: a person that is not asking for your help is
Speaker 1: like you buying this karma. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go off peace slightly because you
Speaker 2: inspired a question of me. How has spirituality changed your
Speaker 2: view of dating and relationships romantic relationships, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like it's like a dance nowadays. Before I used
Speaker 1: to feel like relationships with what I was reading outside,
Speaker 1: seeing outside from others. And nowadays spirituality taught me that
Speaker 1: the relationship that you have with yourself is going to
Speaker 1: be the mirror for the relationship that you have with
Speaker 1: the other. So nowadays I work and myself a lot,
Speaker 1: so I can have a relationship with somebody, and when
Speaker 1: I find somebody that is not having a good relationship
Speaker 1: with himself. It doesn't I understand. I already know that
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work, and I don't insist. I let
Speaker 1: the person know I am here, I'm working on myself,
Speaker 1: and you're here for us to have a good, healthy, soft, easy,
Speaker 1: nice thing and grow together inside. If no, then it's
Speaker 1: not you know, but I used to think of relationship
Speaker 1: one a very different way, very different way that the
Speaker 1: person needed to add me and all the things that
Speaker 1: people outside ask, Oh, how what does he do? D
Speaker 1: does he DODDA da da? How is the family? What
Speaker 1: if you have kids? And howa days? I just see inside.
Speaker 1: Do you treat yourself very well? If yes, then let's go,
Speaker 1: because I treat myself very well too.
Speaker 2: I love that. Fifth and final question. We asked this
Speaker 2: to every guest who's ever been on the show. If
Speaker 2: you could create one law that everyone in the world
Speaker 2: had to follow, what would it be.
Speaker 1: I would create a limit of money that each person
Speaker 1: can have. Wow, that's it, that's what you can have. Now.
Speaker 1: The more you have, you're going to pass to the nature.
Speaker 1: You don't need to pass. I understand the money comes
Speaker 1: for those who work out, work hard, but an effort.
Speaker 1: But after some here you don't need more. No one
Speaker 1: needs that much. You need to share. If you want
Speaker 1: to build a school, cool, if you want to protect
Speaker 1: the Amazon cool, if you want whatever no one needs.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about necessity. No one needs billions, billions, no more,
Speaker 1: No nobody needs than this necessity.
Speaker 2: It's not there, Anita, phenomenal answer, fantastic interview. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. It has been such a joy. It's been
Speaker 2: wonderful being with you. I hope that everyone has been
Speaker 2: listening and watching. Let me and I need to know
Speaker 2: what resonated with you. I know you guys, cut up
Speaker 2: the best clips for TikTok and Instagram and make sure
Speaker 2: you tag both of us so that we can see
Speaker 2: what stayed with you, what connected with you, what meant
Speaker 2: something to you. I'm sure that there were so many
Speaker 2: insights and so many points of wisdom that I need
Speaker 2: to shared today that have left a mark on you.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see what has stayed with you. Anita,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much again. Pleasure, such a joy, I love,
Speaker 2: so grateful and yeah, thank you for sharing this time
Speaker 2: with me. Thank you, thank you. If this is the
Speaker 2: year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to
Speaker 2: build more. I need you to listen to this episode
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Speaker 2: and the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If
Speaker 2: you're trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick
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Speaker 1: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
Speaker 1: like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
Speaker 1: of the value. That's the success comes when you say
Speaker 1: I like this enough for other people to see it.