Speaker 1: Hi, guys, I just wanted to jump on here with
Speaker 1: little Bow say hey bo okay um, and we just
Speaker 1: wanted to let everyone know about upcoming live shows. We
Speaker 1: have several coming up, but the first one is Queers Live,
Speaker 1: Bow and tell them Babe. It's inspired from the very
Speaker 1: inspired by, i should say, very first Diva's Live, starting
Speaker 1: all your favorite divits, but we're just putting a little
Speaker 1: queer spin on it. We're gonna have so many great people.
Speaker 1: Larry Owen's called a Skull of Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson
Speaker 1: as Peter Smith, Peter Smith, and more to be announced.
Speaker 1: More Queer to be announced. Musical directed by the one
Speaker 1: and only Henry Koperski Son Monday, novembery at Joe's Pub,
Speaker 1: The one and only. It's our very first, ever last
Speaker 1: culture is to show at Joe's Pub. We love the
Speaker 1: folks over there. We're gonna be, you know, recording a
Speaker 1: little video promo for it in the coming weeks. You
Speaker 1: might see it and you can get tickets at the
Speaker 1: Joe's Pub website, so please head over and do that,
Speaker 1: and then we have the gag. Of course, it's I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey Live at the Bellhouse on No. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a pretty new batch of folks.
Speaker 1: We are really gonna show you some new faces, Darling.
Speaker 1: Our last one was like a Legends ball type gig.
Speaker 1: But this is gonna be such a fun, fresh experience.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be so great. I can't wait for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your tickets to our I Don't Think
Speaker 1: So Honey Live at the Bellhouse on no And if
Speaker 1: you're on the West Coast, Honey, I'm coming to you
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be doing I Don't Think So Honey
Speaker 1: Live at the Region in downtown l A on December five.
Speaker 1: The lineup will be announced shortly as well the Bellhouse lineup.
Speaker 1: But this is gonna be so much fun. I loved
Speaker 1: our show that we did fun. I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: missing this one. But you know what, it's for a
Speaker 1: good reason, which is your wedding to yourself? Yes, just
Speaker 1: kidding his work, um, so listen, I cannot wait. And
Speaker 1: then selfishly, I want to just plug a little show
Speaker 1: that I do here in New York City at the Duplex.
Speaker 1: It's called have you heard of Christmas? Oh? I love
Speaker 1: this show. Thank you baby. I'm really excited it's gonna
Speaker 1: be on December eleven, December twenty two, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do that show three times and I really want you
Speaker 1: guys to come. You can get tickets, um, which are
Speaker 1: on sale right now. Those are the shows, and that's
Speaker 1: the Gauntlets and Special Best Special Guests and that's musical
Speaker 1: directed by Henrykoperski as well. Yes, oh, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for all of these shows. Um. I will be three
Speaker 1: out of four of them for sure, So please get
Speaker 1: those tickets and check them out. Yes, look, man, oh
Speaker 1: I see you? Why why look over there? How is
Speaker 1: that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's ding dong c what's the
Speaker 1: halloween for recording this on? We've just had a conversation,
Speaker 1: a quick cursory little conversation with our guests. You're angry
Speaker 1: at me? No, I'm a little angry, but I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm angry at I. But I should be angry at
Speaker 1: just the system. I think, thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: always say, don't be angry at me, be angry at
Speaker 1: the system. It's real culture about four team the system,
Speaker 1: and it's the system. It's Halloween. New York is just
Speaker 1: everyone feels you feel like you have to fall in
Speaker 1: line with it is what what's it's the bad part
Speaker 1: about the gay community blown up a hundred thousand times? Sure,
Speaker 1: well you're choosing to magnify self conscious Um. Yes, I
Speaker 1: I feel as though, like, here's the thing. I have
Speaker 1: a couple of a few costumes I could wear. I
Speaker 1: have one slutty costume. It's a little slutty sailer that
Speaker 1: I got from my shoot with Logo. So by the way, um,
Speaker 1: Dave Mazzoni and I are doing some videos for Logo
Speaker 1: and you guys check them out, so they they actually
Speaker 1: I I offhand mentioned that I kind of liked the
Speaker 1: way I looked in the costume, and then I looked
Speaker 1: over and it was on my things. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, someone some p a had been like,
Speaker 1: wink wink, and I not to take this home. They
Speaker 1: wanted to suck you perchance. Um, but whoever that person is,
Speaker 1: I celebrate that idea, okay, And you don't have my
Speaker 1: number from um And then I have gay Jackson, Maine,
Speaker 1: which I said that, and our guests that wow, And
Speaker 1: so now I don't want to do that. I put
Speaker 1: and what aren't you so glad that that our guests
Speaker 1: absolutely think we need more transparently handed response. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: grateful for and thankful for the guests. And then what
Speaker 1: was your third? My third was the one we were
Speaker 1: going to do together, which was killing you best friend's costume.
Speaker 1: Of course you would be Sandra Oh, and I would
Speaker 1: be Villeneul. He would be um Jody Comber, Jody Comber
Speaker 1: famously her name, famously, her name years old. Can you believe?
Speaker 1: Are you fucking serious? That is so fucked up. She's
Speaker 1: so good, she's so good. But here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like she doesn't have like an iconic look. I
Speaker 1: would have to stay attached to your side at all times.
Speaker 1: I know. It is one of those things where it's
Speaker 1: like if if, if we're decoupled, I would sort of
Speaker 1: make sense to Sandra, But like every are you, but
Speaker 1: you could you could just be another Alley. You could
Speaker 1: be allied. I guess, I mean, I guess. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I heard the thing. Last year we had a really
Speaker 1: good costume and it's gonna be hard to top we did.
Speaker 1: I was I Patronada and I was early episodes in
Speaker 1: Kidman still um racked with secrets and guilt. Sure, Um,
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. I'm so glad that we have
Speaker 1: this conversation about the culture. And by the time this
Speaker 1: comes out, and it will be well into November. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing, also, I don't want anyone to worry
Speaker 1: about me, because I know I will turn it out
Speaker 1: before my first party of the evening absolute which there
Speaker 1: are two, and we're going to see our guest at
Speaker 1: the second. I see our guest at the second one,
Speaker 1: and he has and he's just keeping it simple, streamlined.
Speaker 1: I love it. He's not he's not falling for it.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we don't know. He's a very creative person.
Speaker 1: I love. I love our guests so much, deeply deep.
Speaker 1: For many years since Jeffrey colcast role with our other
Speaker 1: Lovely Lovely the beloved. Um you know who was a
Speaker 1: huge Jeffrey self fan, Henry Henry since you since young,
Speaker 1: since young, yes, since since since like way back. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey and coldcast roll perfect. Um he is. And then
Speaker 1: we were at the same party as Henry Koperski, my
Speaker 1: my ex. And then we were at the same we
Speaker 1: were at the duplex one night you came, I think
Speaker 1: to see who was it? What's that? What? We I
Speaker 1: think we went to like maybe it was like she
Speaker 1: wants to talk, so let's just bring him in. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say, Henry said, you have to introduce me
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey, and I was like, okay, gonna happen. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: so he's being so good about just the decorum of
Speaker 1: all of that because he gets he gets it, he
Speaker 1: gets the he gets these get it now say his
Speaker 1: little credits and then we can go on. He's an actor, author, um, celebrated, comedian. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So search party, search party, Mark on search Party, fantastic,
Speaker 1: truly like the gays, the gay straight man in all
Speaker 1: of it getting married, This isn't yes and Elliott. Elliott
Speaker 1: is not the straight man at all. And Elliott is
Speaker 1: just truly insane, goofy, well goofy, but also mentally real
Speaker 1: John Early type, real John Early type. Um. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Mark is a is a huge Jeffrey self type. But um,
Speaker 1: anyway said his name already. You can read his books
Speaker 1: dragteen um or A very very bad Thing and um,
Speaker 1: oh god, Jeffrey Live I loved I oh yeah, um,
Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope maybe there's a combat but
Speaker 1: the live space is interesting, right, That was my first. Um,
Speaker 1: that was my first the lives page just huge. Um,
Speaker 1: but that was my first. Also introduction to then House
Speaker 1: Twink now star of Heather's Oh my God, House Twink
Speaker 1: fell in Love and um, oh my God, and uh
Speaker 1: just iconic rowl in thirty rock one of Like the Love.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know this was Jefferent years later
Speaker 1: and I was like, who was that lemons cousin? Um Randall,
Speaker 1: Randy Randall, Oh my god, broken it is Jeffrey. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. I loved. I really respect the decorum
Speaker 1: of podcast famously. Thank you for doing that. No one
Speaker 1: doesn't Yeah, no, no, no, no, um they don't you
Speaker 1: know these days, I'm so excited to be here. I'm
Speaker 1: such a fan of you guys. Okay, talk about your
Speaker 1: Halloween plan and so we're all going to see each
Speaker 1: other at a party in in mirror hours. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of excited because I had no Halloween
Speaker 1: plans and I thought, okay, great, no one's going to
Speaker 1: get their ship together. I'm not gonna have to do anything.
Speaker 1: But then someone planned something, and now I feel like
Speaker 1: I actually have to do something because I always show
Speaker 1: up at Halloween parties not in the costume, and then
Speaker 1: I feel even more uncomfortable. I think it. I think
Speaker 1: it's worse to be the person who looks like they
Speaker 1: don't care or be thought they were too cool. You
Speaker 1: never want to be there and to be like, my
Speaker 1: costume is me. I actually even, like right when I
Speaker 1: said that I had something that I was going to
Speaker 1: use for I don't think my I don't think so, honey. Later,
Speaker 1: but I might actually do what I was just about
Speaker 1: to say for that because I have a strong feeling
Speaker 1: about it. But anyway, I find out Halloween very overwhelming.
Speaker 1: I loved it as a kid. I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: Mimi from the Drew Carey Show was among many wonderful
Speaker 1: memorable costumes nowadays, Yeah, I agree, there's something. There's a
Speaker 1: pressure within the gays especially. Yeah. I just I was
Speaker 1: looking at Instagram stories last night and just piste off
Speaker 1: at every click. Do you want to know what it is?
Speaker 1: For me? It's like I actually end up sort of
Speaker 1: and I say this and don't get upset. I end
Speaker 1: up sort of nailing it every year, do you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's someone who's followed you for a while.
Speaker 1: I don't know. BuzzFeed Gay BuzzFeed. Um, one time put
Speaker 1: me on a list for best Halloween costumes. I was
Speaker 1: just so fucking basic. Also, I was remembering, remember I
Speaker 1: remember this was Harry Potter. I mean, sure, hasn't you
Speaker 1: and like literally five thousand people, but thousands conserve it
Speaker 1: out and he's only had sex to five thousand and three. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, what did I mean? I had this? Henry
Speaker 1: was Henry was Malfoy and it was a really hot
Speaker 1: like Malfoy and Harry Potter, like go home and fancy
Speaker 1: each other scenario. I'm not a Harry Potter person, really,
Speaker 1: I don't really know the whole mythology. Well, Harry Potter
Speaker 1: is a wizard, yeah, I know that much, and he
Speaker 1: was famously straight. And then your spin on it was gay,
Speaker 1: and actually that's my spin on, Jackson Main to Night
Speaker 1: was gonna be Yeah, so let's go circle back to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because that where you gonna be Ali. No,
Speaker 1: there was no plan for it to be friends. Why
Speaker 1: note like there's gonna be a million allies. Katherine Cohen's
Speaker 1: going to be Alley? What what Alley? Though we're talking?
Speaker 1: That was a question that she had and I said,
Speaker 1: That's why it's a really good dynamic costume, because you
Speaker 1: could even have like a night of Alley's. You could
Speaker 1: be the first time we see pop star Alley, which
Speaker 1: is the red hair and the hideous little blue dress.
Speaker 1: You could have um uh us this way Ali and
Speaker 1: that white kind of iconic pants were into, like the
Speaker 1: leather jacket, the long sort of natural dark hair felt
Speaker 1: like yelling at the father, and the really forced Italian accent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also there is of course I'll Never Love Again Ali,
Speaker 1: which is a kind of iconic look. If you have
Speaker 1: the gown, if you have the and then there's that
Speaker 1: that that orange wig that they revealed that wasn't in
Speaker 1: the trailer but then it made a big appearance. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of options. We're just walking through the costumes.
Speaker 1: You know what I will do Andrew dice Clay if
Speaker 1: you ah, if you do Ali, I'll be andrewdiced Clay.
Speaker 1: And if you do um Blue Jasmine, I'll do Andrew
Speaker 1: dice Clay when he accosts her on the street in
Speaker 1: Blue Jazz. Oh my god, I think we should all
Speaker 1: just do VM as Andrew dice Clay and be really homophobic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: night and Clay is not very intriguing, very far. You
Speaker 1: know who's going to nail it, whichever gay decides to
Speaker 1: go as Gail, Like, Hi, Ali, I'm gayl like the
Speaker 1: person who leads around onto the stage. Gail is the
Speaker 1: woman who gets her out of the car at the show.
Speaker 1: Gail is gay icon gl is and gay. I have
Speaker 1: missed the Twitter boat on Gail. I guess Gail is
Speaker 1: the is one of is one of three female characters
Speaker 1: in that home the whole film. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: think about it because she doesn't count depress. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's it's it's Gaga, It's it's Chappelle's wife, It's Gail,
Speaker 1: and it's it's she's the clipboard lady who leads her
Speaker 1: from the car. We know the actress's name, but she's
Speaker 1: like really broken through in like a niche way. But
Speaker 1: it's the thing. She's an icon. It's kind of it's
Speaker 1: very I rall Sue from like Stranger Things. That's what
Speaker 1: I was about to say, what's what's her? Yeah? Yeah, right, no, no,
Speaker 1: bar So is she gonna end up in like a
Speaker 1: Greg Berlante show within minutes? I think it's it's not
Speaker 1: not huge for her career. And you know who I
Speaker 1: found out audition for that part, Casey Wilson for GA.
Speaker 1: She said that, she said on Bitch sh apparently like
Speaker 1: that she had audition for that role. Unless that was
Speaker 1: a joke, And I think that's a very funny joke.
Speaker 1: It's either way. It's m Jeffrey. Are you Are you
Speaker 1: like okay, you're firmly team like l A team l
Speaker 1: A at l A campus. Well, so, I mean it's
Speaker 1: very hard to discuss with people like you. Guys. Please
Speaker 1: feel like you are such ambassadors for like gay New York.
Speaker 1: But I don't think. Well, here's the thing. I actually
Speaker 1: saw I saw you at in l A and I
Speaker 1: was having a great time. Well no, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not like we we don't have fun there.
Speaker 1: It's a fun place to listen. I lived here for
Speaker 1: six years, but I moved here when I was like seventeen,
Speaker 1: and so it felt like when I left, I was
Speaker 1: like still broke and like came to l A and
Speaker 1: realized you could be still broke in l A and
Speaker 1: have a better life. And I've i've kind of like
Speaker 1: remained with that. But also New York just stresses me out.
Speaker 1: I feel like I stay out all night, I sleep
Speaker 1: all day, like all the all the just the just
Speaker 1: the boring you know things. Have you ever lived in
Speaker 1: l A. I spent about a month there this summer
Speaker 1: because we were out there for two weeks, two weeks,
Speaker 1: and then I went back for two weeks, so I
Speaker 1: was I was out there for a while. Long Island
Speaker 1: and Colorado, Colorado, so it's a little more of the
Speaker 1: same vibe. But sure, I mean yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: they're both great places. Everybody's back and forth, you know,
Speaker 1: if you have there's places to avoid in both places.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't you know, none of us are
Speaker 1: like hanging around the like you know, muscle queens of
Speaker 1: Hell's Kitchen, really and none of us are really hanging
Speaker 1: around the muscle queens of West Hollywood. I think I
Speaker 1: might do January through March in l A. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to give it. I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: just give piloteas in that whole chunk of the year,
Speaker 1: but that go out to the coast, um I might,
Speaker 1: And but so now I'm kind of like happy to
Speaker 1: have had that time there in the summer to acclimate
Speaker 1: to it, because it character firstly has made me very
Speaker 1: stressed out. Yeah, I get that. Once you get past it, though,
Speaker 1: I think it's becomes really groovy great and you have
Speaker 1: roots planted there now anyway, like you're you're literally married
Speaker 1: and literally married, I you know, like like having like
Speaker 1: a boring, a grown up life there whereas I can't
Speaker 1: figure out how to do that here and because I
Speaker 1: think it's just too expensive. Yeah, I think like now
Speaker 1: that you like have the husband and are actualized, I
Speaker 1: think like that seems like l A is a very
Speaker 1: good kind of zone. It made me kind of I
Speaker 1: got my like fomo really roared out when I was
Speaker 1: in l you know, because you felt like isolated and
Speaker 1: you're wherever you were staying exactly, and I was like,
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to get somewhere, it's take a long time.
Speaker 1: That's why I like it, because I don't like leaving
Speaker 1: the house. I'm very like, I'm such a like introvert body.
Speaker 1: I'm such a nerd and I just it's such a
Speaker 1: nerd about my couch and so I really like not
Speaker 1: leaving the house. So it's good. It's very good to like.
Speaker 1: And I live like far out in like Culver City
Speaker 1: where no one else lives. So yeah, sure, and only
Speaker 1: the best and it's really far. So it's like great
Speaker 1: for no one ever drops by, no one ever, like
Speaker 1: no one ever wants to come over, and then like
Speaker 1: you can be you don't ever have to go to
Speaker 1: other people's It's great, it's great, it's it's great. What
Speaker 1: does what does husband do? Augustus august Is pru Um.
Speaker 1: He is an actor. He is a fancy like real
Speaker 1: person actor. Well he had um. Well he's as a child,
Speaker 1: he was in About a Boy. He was Rachel is
Speaker 1: that Rachel Weiss? Is that who's in that movie? I
Speaker 1: always get hurt about boy. Yeah, he plays the other
Speaker 1: little boy who's like, not not the boy. He's not
Speaker 1: the boy that's Nick Holt and then the other and
Speaker 1: then the other boy is Rachel Vice's son, and yet
Speaker 1: he's like he gets like jealous of Hugh Grant dating
Speaker 1: his mom's. It was a meaty role. So that was
Speaker 1: his first thing and then he um, he's you know.
Speaker 1: He had a show on CBS last year called Pure Genius.
Speaker 1: It was a medical procedural that he was the lead of. Um.
Speaker 1: It was not very good and it did and it
Speaker 1: got canceled and then He was also on one of
Speaker 1: the leads on the reboot of prison Break. Hell yeah
Speaker 1: he was. He was cell mates with Wentworth Miller. How
Speaker 1: hot is that? How did that go? They never had
Speaker 1: sex ship? I know, I was very sorry and character
Speaker 1: has never had sex real life. All of the above,
Speaker 1: all the above. It never happened fictionally or nonfictional. Nor
Speaker 1: did I ever get to have dinner with Wentworth Miller.
Speaker 1: I was really greasing the whale for that. What a
Speaker 1: wasted moment, wasted career. I don't wonder what who went
Speaker 1: Worth Miller's gays are, what his little coterie of queers?
Speaker 1: He found them late. I think he found him late,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's room for for a Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Self type. I think that you're wrong about that. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's always I think it could be. I
Speaker 1: think it could be a little polarizing for him. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what Worth Miller's game is.
Speaker 1: I think that his gayness is very like well, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to pass judgment on him, but
Speaker 1: he certainly was one was was one of those gays
Speaker 1: that came out late and was really like all of
Speaker 1: us trying could do the exactly trying to do the
Speaker 1: actor thing, and like I he to me is like
Speaker 1: I'm at Dallas, who is that Kylex Why? And he
Speaker 1: has a hot husband and they have a kid and
Speaker 1: hot husband a kid and now he's like happily gay
Speaker 1: And I like met them rand and I didn't even
Speaker 1: meet them. I like bumped into them at some sort
Speaker 1: of party and like it was like so attracted to
Speaker 1: them and then like tamed one of them when I
Speaker 1: was like really stoned on Instagram, was like so great
Speaker 1: with chatting last night, like we really got to get
Speaker 1: together and like, you know, we want to have kids
Speaker 1: one day, so I'd love to, like, you know, talk
Speaker 1: to you about your family. We did not talk about
Speaker 1: any of this, no, And I think he saw it,
Speaker 1: you know, just he saw it and saw through it.
Speaker 1: Do you guys do a lot of stone mnest with you?
Speaker 1: I should probably do it more than I should, and
Speaker 1: it always, Oh it's not good. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: better about it. I can't help myself when I have
Speaker 1: a crush on a guy. I'm talking to them in
Speaker 1: the news. Here. The thing it's like it's like the
Speaker 1: oppos are dead and d MS are the way, them
Speaker 1: are the way, and we all know it, so it's transparent.
Speaker 1: Amount was and I followed so many like and mostly
Speaker 1: there are people I've never met and probably will never
Speaker 1: meet because they're like models who live in other countries.
Speaker 1: But like, isn't it fun to be like, Hi, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I met when we did we covered
Speaker 1: Vulture Festival for Vulture, and yeah, it'd be weird if
Speaker 1: you're coming unity. We never met anything anything, um, but
Speaker 1: we um. We met my crush. Who is your crush?
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jonathan graff Okay, walking me through it because I've
Speaker 1: actually never met Jonathan groffin actually literally what happened. So
Speaker 1: we're there and I'm nervous because it's Jonathan Graffin. I've
Speaker 1: talked about my crush on Jonathan Grafin and you can't
Speaker 1: d M him because he's not on social, not even
Speaker 1: on social, he's one of those. So he's coming in
Speaker 1: and he's like talking to his co stars because we're
Speaker 1: interviewing him from Mine Hunter, which I couldn't give him
Speaker 1: less about. Um. So I go to him, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: so pretending to me and say hey, I'm met Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Jonathan. Oh, that's a firm handshake. We're still
Speaker 1: holding hands, by the way, and then my hand melted
Speaker 1: in his Yeah, and I was like and I had
Speaker 1: to pull it away and like come came out of
Speaker 1: your fingers. It was it was very overwhelming. And then
Speaker 1: I think we did like a D plus interview with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was not and they didn't say goodbye to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was very It wasn't like a
Speaker 1: winning interview. Was his vibe sexy though, he has a
Speaker 1: confident vibe, he knows how hot he here's confidence, he's
Speaker 1: a competent vibe. But also like this and this is
Speaker 1: also equally just adds to the charm in a way.
Speaker 1: But also to me, I was like, oh, you're just
Speaker 1: like a dorky dude. He was talking about musical theater
Speaker 1: with one of his co stars and it was like
Speaker 1: it was like it feels like someone like would write
Speaker 1: that in a script right exactly, And he's normal too,
Speaker 1: but like it kind of I got the vibe from
Speaker 1: him where it's like, Okay, he's he's seems far away
Speaker 1: because he's Jonathan Groffin. I do think there probably is
Speaker 1: like you know, not not an ego there because he
Speaker 1: knows how charismatic and hottie is, but it's there. There
Speaker 1: doesn't exist a world where we could not be friends,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it was like that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your number, That is he your number one? Cry Um,
Speaker 1: He's he is up there. But I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: always top of mind for you, you always. I love him.
Speaker 1: I have never ever once seen him in anything because
Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated by how hot he is and his success.
Speaker 1: So I'm too jealous to watch his work. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: so talented. Yeah, I've never seen him do anything. Never
Speaker 1: watched the episode of Looking Mind whatever that is. I
Speaker 1: could not care less about Mine Hunter, but I did watch.
Speaker 1: I slammed through Looking Um. It had its high points
Speaker 1: and low points. Largely wasn't great, but he I think,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I might have been a great show. I
Speaker 1: literally cannot watch things with him in it because I
Speaker 1: get to uh, no, you really have avoided him. I
Speaker 1: mean I've seen like the clips of Let It Go. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm not a freaking monster, But I have a question
Speaker 1: I'd like to pose, are we, as a gay culture
Speaker 1: getting better about gay jealousy? I'm not. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I I think I am. I'm trying. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm doing I'm doing great, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're all sitting here, no one's no one's hit each
Speaker 1: other yet wants to kill each other. I mean it's
Speaker 1: hard because I don't know we were I think we
Speaker 1: deemed about this the other day because you talked to
Speaker 1: you had a video thing about like people being mean
Speaker 1: and comments and trying to pit you two against each other. Yes,
Speaker 1: And because that drives me that that used to having
Speaker 1: me in calling, like when we were doing this stuff
Speaker 1: for logo and like and I would it just would
Speaker 1: drive me crazy because it's just so and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming from someone trying to think they're like funny
Speaker 1: and they want to get our attention and they want
Speaker 1: to get our attention to look, I can sass it
Speaker 1: up to a bit. She's like no, no, thank you. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think I think we're getting somewhat better at
Speaker 1: gay jealousy. I'm still working on it then, Man, I
Speaker 1: still can't I get so jealous of everybody, if of
Speaker 1: things I don't even do, Like I was jealous of
Speaker 1: Adam Rappon, you know what I mean, It's like I
Speaker 1: don't I don't skate. I'm never going to skate. Well,
Speaker 1: here's what bothered me about the Ripon thing is that
Speaker 1: then it seemed like he was like trying to transition
Speaker 1: into a comedy and like, you don't get to do that.
Speaker 1: I think that you are charismatic and good at interviews
Speaker 1: and like once in a while, yes, yeah you can,
Speaker 1: you can tweet a tweet, but um, that to me
Speaker 1: was like the world in which I think the person
Speaker 1: inside me that sees the entertainment industry and and feels
Speaker 1: like there's only so many spots. It's like if one
Speaker 1: of those spots were to be occupied by Adam Rippon
Speaker 1: in a comedic manner, I would be bothering. Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: Like I got I got really jealous when he was
Speaker 1: like I think recently on Will and Grace and I
Speaker 1: was got right, but I'm sure he was like playing himself.
Speaker 1: And again he's like probably ten years younger than I am.
Speaker 1: He is a literal like a Olympian. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's like there's very little like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there's so much room for that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: especially because he's already famous, and but you know, I
Speaker 1: think he'll probably settle into like a commentator career just
Speaker 1: what he should be doing, like like you see what Johnny,
Speaker 1: we're in. Tara Lepinski have been able to do what's fascinating,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't, like, you know, beaten the ship out
Speaker 1: of his husband, right that was allegedly I think Johnny.
Speaker 1: I think there's some darkness with Johnny. There was like
Speaker 1: a whole paparaz paparazzi, papa razzi tabling story of him
Speaker 1: like beat. I think, like literally like he beat, there's something,
Speaker 1: there's some darkness and I think they hadn't very uply divorced.
Speaker 1: And I do know this because he was on that
Speaker 1: Twinks Twink Medium we're going to call it Twink Medium
Speaker 1: Tyler Henry Tyler Henry. He was on Twink Psychic And
Speaker 1: what a great title. Why did they not title? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna write my I So basically like he
Speaker 1: was on that show and they talked about the divorce
Speaker 1: and like the divorce was like somehow coming through, like
Speaker 1: the other ghosts come through, and yeah, the divorces a ghost.
Speaker 1: It's not just ghost, it's not just goes. He can
Speaker 1: also he's also like empathic, so he basically was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sensing like a lot of darkness, like you went
Speaker 1: through a divorce and and he was like, yeah, you've
Speaker 1: you've you've read picture. Allegedly he's never read anything about
Speaker 1: any celebrity, which is a jump that I I love
Speaker 1: it when he has like the celebrities that like you
Speaker 1: yourself as the audience member, like who then is yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all that's really fun. But also then sometimes he'll
Speaker 1: have something that show books some huge celebrities like like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it'll go from like a huge celebrity to Brittany Kim. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be did he had Little Kim and he
Speaker 1: talked about he was one of the few people that
Speaker 1: flat out he recognized right away. He knew Little Kim,
Speaker 1: even Biggie. I'm not going to say they they didn't
Speaker 1: say why Biggie died or who killed Biggie, but they
Speaker 1: kept saying in the in the previews. It was like
Speaker 1: the end of the episode obviously, So he was like,
Speaker 1: do you have any questions And she was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think everyone would want to know who shot him.
Speaker 1: And that was like when they were teasing it. And
Speaker 1: then he I think at the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: And I could be wrong about this because I don't
Speaker 1: fully remember, but he did say, I don't it's not
Speaker 1: coming through who. But I will say that there was
Speaker 1: like hints leading up to the in the days before
Speaker 1: who it could be like, you guys probably could figure
Speaker 1: this out if you really think about what happened in
Speaker 1: the days before. And then she said something like, yes,
Speaker 1: it was really weird, Like he called us all into
Speaker 1: the recording studio and made us all sit in the
Speaker 1: same room and told us all to be careful like
Speaker 1: and then she kind of like said all this ship
Speaker 1: about how it was in the air that something was
Speaker 1: going to happen, but it was very bizarre. That is
Speaker 1: very bizarre. And also, wouldn't it be crazy if Tyler
Speaker 1: Henry is the person who figured out? I was like,
Speaker 1: would be crazy if Tyler who was the president who's
Speaker 1: shop let's write it, you know which. One One of
Speaker 1: the hardest ones to watch was actually Gus Kenworthy because
Speaker 1: he was on and he described how he actually was
Speaker 1: witnessed to one of his friends dying when he was
Speaker 1: a teen, and um, it was like his best friend
Speaker 1: and like he got him to open up about it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this teller, Henry Twink, He's got me
Speaker 1: twink psychic is good. The power of the twink, Babe,
Speaker 1: the twink, they say last year, Oh yeah, you're right
Speaker 1: right good. Perfume Genus said that now that he's no
Speaker 1: longer a twink, no one is that the age of
Speaker 1: the twink is over. But it was like it was
Speaker 1: like a funny tweet, but like he was like, no,
Speaker 1: but it's it was very solipsistic. It was very like,
Speaker 1: now that I'm no longer a twink, no one can
Speaker 1: be in. But he is a twink still. He absolutely
Speaker 1: is a twin. He's so cute. How do you identify
Speaker 1: not I used to identify as a twin. I think
Speaker 1: I'm an age dead twink. There has to be a
Speaker 1: name for it. There. I hate twunk. I don't like.
Speaker 1: I almost felt myself say it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like Wolf. Well, I think that's
Speaker 1: a whole other situation. Um not Fox get Away, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we can't be saying Fox memories of Megan Kelly's. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I picture more like silver Fox, Silver Fox. How do
Speaker 1: you identify. I don't a gauge in but there's no
Speaker 1: like specificity, right, But that's the that's the disgusting community
Speaker 1: doing that too totally. We're looking at we're doing it
Speaker 1: to ourselves. Absolutely, we are the community. We are the community.
Speaker 1: But I truly I think we're at a place where
Speaker 1: we can break. We can culturally help not not us
Speaker 1: as like a podcast, but no, I think the three
Speaker 1: of us right now, us, right now, I can help
Speaker 1: fix this thing of gay jealousy. And then look, it's
Speaker 1: all I do too, I think, and I think it's
Speaker 1: something that's like a really good, like overall thing to
Speaker 1: try to like be mindful of because it is. I
Speaker 1: mean even I have friends who are like, I'm not jealous,
Speaker 1: but clearly they're every I think, yeah, there, there, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a big thing. And I think it's it's
Speaker 1: why you know, there's so much like you know, in
Speaker 1: fighting within. We're not gonna sit here and ignore the
Speaker 1: fact that there was a large chunk of time I
Speaker 1: think probably in the I think in US earlier coming
Speaker 1: up like where it didn't feel like there were too
Speaker 1: many spots. And so sometimes I will book something and
Speaker 1: they'll flat out say to me like you know John
Speaker 1: couldn't do this, or like like you know this person
Speaker 1: couldn't do this, and we love you, but but they
Speaker 1: make it sort of clear that I was like the
Speaker 1: sixth runner up. Yeah, I've experienced that. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's and I don't think they're meaning to say, like
Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to do is be like,
Speaker 1: we know all your friends. But but but as a
Speaker 1: roundabout way of in doing that, they're kind of like saying,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a gay role on here, and
Speaker 1: we thought of the most famous quote unquote person for it.
Speaker 1: But but I definitely think that that's not any of
Speaker 1: our fault. Have you been jealous of the Queer Eye guys, Yes,
Speaker 1: because they're so worldfull, but not even jealous, but also
Speaker 1: just confounded in this way that it's like, oh, Anthony's
Speaker 1: doing a set, is hosting a show it in New York?
Speaker 1: What the hell is that He's going to be the
Speaker 1: foil to Jonathan? Sure, but like that doesn't mean he
Speaker 1: knows how to be on a stage in front of people.
Speaker 1: I think he probably does know how to. He was
Speaker 1: he an actor. I think he was an actor. He
Speaker 1: did us the classes. Now, I'm sure he's sure, he's great, Anthony,
Speaker 1: Anthony's perfect. You don't have to do that. But um,
Speaker 1: you guys do a show though as them or something, Well,
Speaker 1: do this, it's not as them. It's basically it's called
Speaker 1: Queer Eye Live where we basically all pick one of
Speaker 1: the things and person someone up on stage and we
Speaker 1: kind of give them do it live it. Zach Zimmerman's
Speaker 1: a fret child, lovely guy. He pulled asend. Do you
Speaker 1: guys do live shows? Like every night? I feel like
Speaker 1: your Instagram is always like I'm here, I'm here, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this. Oftentimes feels like it happens to get booked
Speaker 1: all on the same time. Like last week we happened
Speaker 1: to have three shows. I happen to have three shows
Speaker 1: right in a row, and I was like, god, I
Speaker 1: feel insufferable on Instagram right now. But it's not like
Speaker 1: every no no, And it's not I'm not saying the
Speaker 1: promotions and sufferable. Um, I would, I would pull you aside,
Speaker 1: don't worry, but but but it's just I'm impressed you're
Speaker 1: so busy. Um, I think it's like one of those
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the thing where you don't post your failures.
Speaker 1: That's a bit. Yeah, that's true. That's a big New
Speaker 1: York versus l A difference. I think it's like I
Speaker 1: feel like, well, I guess there are people in LA
Speaker 1: who are doing shows every night. I'm just New York
Speaker 1: feels like busier. It does. Yeah, I think for better
Speaker 1: or for worse, because in l A you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh cool, I'm just gonna be chilling at home with
Speaker 1: my friends. I mean, I guess I could go to
Speaker 1: a show at the Virgil every night, but I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. I feel like New York it's like the
Speaker 1: New York pace of life. It's like I'm doing this. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. What is the l A pace of
Speaker 1: like is like I'm gonna do that? Yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: what's I'm sorry, I don't I don't really like it's
Speaker 1: like like I think, I think it's more more chill
Speaker 1: and focus. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: And then in New York it's like I'm doing this
Speaker 1: and this and this, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Energy thing?
Speaker 1: Are you basically just pooped out every day in New York?
Speaker 1: Like after like you're just like well, I don't mean
Speaker 1: on the search party is so great because like I
Speaker 1: come for like like a long periods of time and
Speaker 1: then I only like shoot like one day a week,
Speaker 1: and it's great. But then you can like you're here
Speaker 1: and you can avoid people about by saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm shooting the whole time. Reality, I'm just at the
Speaker 1: apartment and watching TV. But but it's that that's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does, but it does it stresses me the funk
Speaker 1: out here. It's that is the dream. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think my dream in life is to do as
Speaker 1: little as possible. Yeah, that's like maximum amount of money.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah. The reason why I want to
Speaker 1: be successful is so I can be on vacation all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, Like I would be totally fine of
Speaker 1: my husband like just fully supported me. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love to be. I tried desperately to be a kept
Speaker 1: boy for most of my early twenties in New York,
Speaker 1: and it never kept boy kept boy. Um I think,
Speaker 1: but like theoretically you would just find someone whould be like, yes,
Speaker 1: you you're staying with me, um you, But but you're
Speaker 1: saying aspirationally in your twenties, that was that was the
Speaker 1: thing I mean, but I also actually wanted to accomplish
Speaker 1: up Now I feel like I'm like, okay, I would
Speaker 1: like happily like if my husband were to be like
Speaker 1: like in my dream scenario, like my husband becomes like
Speaker 1: Tom Holland, which would require like a time machine for
Speaker 1: him to go backwards. But but but it could happen,
Speaker 1: and so he would be an expiderment and he even
Speaker 1: had like just just tons and tons of money, and
Speaker 1: I would just travel the world with him. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds really just sad and um, just basic, but
Speaker 1: I'm into especially because you said Tom Holland, and I've
Speaker 1: been like short stircuting in my brain. I think he's
Speaker 1: so fun, so hot, and he's so good just a
Speaker 1: cute face, he's in a cute little tight little body,
Speaker 1: and also such a good spider Man spider Man like
Speaker 1: they really figured it out with it. And he's and
Speaker 1: he does not strain for the American accent. He yeah,
Speaker 1: he just does that. And you're like, yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: boy from Queen's I love that, loves actually a boy
Speaker 1: from Queen. Queen Marissa Tomey is my fucking hot aunt.
Speaker 1: So I actually have have not seen a single one
Speaker 1: of those movies again because he's so hot. I don't
Speaker 1: want to watch it. He's gonna I hear you on that.
Speaker 1: Spider Man Homecoming is a great movie. It's really good,
Speaker 1: and that's all about a homecoming dance. It truly, I
Speaker 1: mean it leads up to homecoming dance, but really it does.
Speaker 1: But it's real good. The twists, baby, are very good.
Speaker 1: There are twist s galore, okay, and it also really
Speaker 1: it works as like a weird high school movie and
Speaker 1: also a superhero movie. Yeah, it pulls it off in
Speaker 1: a really good way. I think we're the only three
Speaker 1: gay men sitting around the table discussing Spider Man. I
Speaker 1: think that there actually is a whisper network of gay
Speaker 1: nerds who I've seen the movie. It will tap about it,
Speaker 1: but I bet. I mean, Joe Kim Booster is literally
Speaker 1: jacking off right now. I think at home listening to
Speaker 1: this big comic. We went to go see he and
Speaker 1: I went to go see Justice League together. I don't
Speaker 1: know what any of that means. It's the it's the
Speaker 1: Marvel Avengers, but with Batman in those games, go away.
Speaker 1: I don't want that. You actually don't think you want it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the movie was like a perfect five out
Speaker 1: of ten. But I'll tell you who was also good
Speaker 1: in that. Speaking of cute twins, Speaking of by twinks,
Speaker 1: I know he's real sexy again someone I get I
Speaker 1: get very jealous of. But again, like again, no crossover whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But I just I think ultimately the jealousy also comes from,
Speaker 1: like I want to like have sex with this person.
Speaker 1: That is okay. Maybe this is the yes, we've gone
Speaker 1: to the by thank you, Jeffrey, We've gotten to the
Speaker 1: bottom of this is conflating feelings of jealousy with feelings
Speaker 1: of a trap, yeah, wanting to funk what you want
Speaker 1: to be? Yes. Yeah. And that's why social media. That's
Speaker 1: why social media makes it all so much worse, right
Speaker 1: have you guys social media these days and the devices
Speaker 1: and the devices Oh my god? Unfortunately, ya, how do
Speaker 1: you navigate? How do you do it? How do you
Speaker 1: do it? I I truly I wish I had to answer, babe.
Speaker 1: I'm a slave to the to the stuff. Are you
Speaker 1: I'm off of Twitter? Now? I really well, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like I didn't get rid of my profile, um,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I got off, got off my phone,
Speaker 1: I got it off my computer. I got fully deleted
Speaker 1: all Facebook, like I forget that. That was in like
Speaker 1: a manic moment and I was just like, I'm getting
Speaker 1: rid of it. It was like, don't you want to
Speaker 1: download these like twelve years of history you have on here?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, fully downloaded it. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: why didn't I download that stuff? That would have taken
Speaker 1: five minutes, But well, when you can activate it again.
Speaker 1: And then again in a manic episode, I deleted my
Speaker 1: Twitter profile but then again the next day was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well that was crazy, so reactivated but deleted the app. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's great. I love not being on Twitter. It's
Speaker 1: so fucking nice. And I'm on Instagram, but I take
Speaker 1: I try to like go three weeks and then I
Speaker 1: deleted off my phone for two weeks and then I
Speaker 1: redownload it. That I do Twitter and Instagram, not Facebook.
Speaker 1: But then for for you to for you to have
Speaker 1: gone like gone through this clean break and I don't
Speaker 1: think it's necessarily like I'm sure like you were in
Speaker 1: a manic episode, but yeah, but honey, but I I
Speaker 1: feel like there was just this collective culture sure, like okay,
Speaker 1: enough enough yeah, I mean I don't really I realized,
Speaker 1: like I don't really know what I do on Twitter anymore.
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing to this conversation
Speaker 1: and what am I adding? I try to just make
Speaker 1: sure that it's always stays light and like a funny
Speaker 1: little comments about whatever stories happening. I do like it
Speaker 1: as like a little joke machine. And I guess, but um,
Speaker 1: I certainly don't want to get earnest on it. And
Speaker 1: how often are you on Instagram? Instagram is my drug
Speaker 1: of choice? Like every like, how how many times a
Speaker 1: day do you think, I mean we see each other
Speaker 1: on there? I mean like it seems like you're a
Speaker 1: drug of choice too. Oh yeah, well, I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of drugs of choice, right, yeah, but the
Speaker 1: Instagram is one of them. Sure we can find out
Speaker 1: on the on iPhones. Now you can do screen time
Speaker 1: where it just really I'm so scared of this. Let
Speaker 1: me just let me just see, let me just Instagram
Speaker 1: is the one. And I actually like because I enjoy
Speaker 1: putting the stories together. I like posting the little I
Speaker 1: like posting pictures. I like how it's love the Q
Speaker 1: and A. I hate to say, you know what, I
Speaker 1: like the Q and I have shame about it every
Speaker 1: time I do it. I'm like, this is so self indulgent,
Speaker 1: so stupid, but it's so fun and it's not that
Speaker 1: self indulgent because they have just democratized this for everyone
Speaker 1: to be able to do. That's true, and so it's
Speaker 1: just it's for everyone. So they're every so often someone
Speaker 1: you follow does it and you're like, well, you know
Speaker 1: what it is. It's like when someone does fifty in
Speaker 1: a row, and especially when they set the thing of like,
Speaker 1: asked me about this thing, and this thing is not
Speaker 1: something you're interested in. That's like, well I don't care
Speaker 1: about this now. Okay. So my daily average over the
Speaker 1: last seven days on Instagram an hour and five minutes.
Speaker 1: Two hours on Instagram a day a day. That's not
Speaker 1: as bad as I thought you were going to say,
Speaker 1: um a day, um a day. And on Tuesday, this Tuesday,
Speaker 1: I was on it for three hours. What happened on Tuesday?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the DMV, honey, how do you find
Speaker 1: this out? You needed to have the newest, Oh good thing.
Speaker 1: I'm poor, It's it's free. I just want people to
Speaker 1: know that it's fine. I don't I don't find that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I'm a producer, Emma, and
Speaker 1: she kind of raised her eyebrows producer on my bragedr eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a lot? Well, I think two
Speaker 1: hours out of the twenty four of the day, honey,
Speaker 1: that's one twelve your day was spent looking at an app.
Speaker 1: And honey, that's not a bad fraction, fraction because that's
Speaker 1: like it's added together, right, yours is more. I can
Speaker 1: find this death. I feel you post more almost. I
Speaker 1: have been moved to post because thing so Jeffrey as
Speaker 1: someone who was very much like mired in the social
Speaker 1: media thing where you were just like, oh, I will
Speaker 1: have a show that lives on social media face yeah,
Speaker 1: the Facebook thing, yeah yeah, Well I mean that was
Speaker 1: ultimately just because like I had literally nothing, El's going
Speaker 1: to a lot of um and was you know, Facebook
Speaker 1: Live was a new love. I thought it was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. We I love doing it with
Speaker 1: the Brendan Scannell, who we all love. But it was,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just like a lot of work
Speaker 1: and like you know again, you're like I'm just screaming
Speaker 1: into the ether and is anyone hearing this. You had
Speaker 1: such good guests too, Yeah, we had really good we
Speaker 1: had some A Blair, who plays Brendan Scannell's mom on
Speaker 1: the Heather's reboots. I'm planning. I'm planning to binge it
Speaker 1: all at once, and by the time this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: I will have watched it. It's so so so good
Speaker 1: Night three right now. And then the boy who plays
Speaker 1: the lead, like the hot jock boys, so cute, James Scully.
Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine, as I need that. He's
Speaker 1: very I don't know how he identifies. Now now I'm
Speaker 1: as jealous of anybody he's got on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really, really good. I can't wait. I was excited
Speaker 1: about it when it was a first announcement. It was
Speaker 1: crushed when I heard that it wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: coming out, and I'm very excited, but the whole thing
Speaker 1: is done because it's like, first of all, what did
Speaker 1: you think you were getting when you ordered Heathers. Heathers
Speaker 1: is about what it's about, and if you didn't want that,
Speaker 1: then don't order that. And also, I'm sorry, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't like there hadn't been school show. I mean, I meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like USA is literally making a TV show of the Purge.
Speaker 1: You know. I also think it's a complete misunderstanding of
Speaker 1: the tone of the original film is deeply black, comedy
Speaker 1: and sterial, and I think it's like that's what this
Speaker 1: was going to be in very stylized, very stylized, and
Speaker 1: it's like you can't just and this is a thing
Speaker 1: I think that we all have to kind of come
Speaker 1: around to or like start talking about more. Is It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to art, it's like think
Speaker 1: about it. It's like it might actually have a comment
Speaker 1: on this thing right when you let it, if you
Speaker 1: actually let him do that. Yeah, I love just talking
Speaker 1: about art with you. It's been the it's been the
Speaker 1: highlight of my art. On the Paramount Network is my
Speaker 1: favorite are on the Paramount Network? What else is there?
Speaker 1: So much? We love the Paramount Network. Waiting anything you
Speaker 1: can before we get into like more central questions of
Speaker 1: the show, show anything you can tell us about such
Speaker 1: party this season or no, we all know about that.
Speaker 1: We all know there's going to be a way. I
Speaker 1: think everybody knows it's going to be a very very
Speaker 1: very big wedding, like a big wedding with with two
Speaker 1: iconic wedding planners, Drew d and Sam Pancake photos. And
Speaker 1: there are some other really really iconic gay people and
Speaker 1: I you're allowed to know. Yeah, you know that Cole
Speaker 1: skola Is is in is in the wedding nucle I
Speaker 1: think perhaps pretend Jill and Booster. I believe he is. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's Sabrina Jolie wrote the wedding episode. She wrote that
Speaker 1: it's gonna be in it. Yes, everyone's face was writing
Speaker 1: for Search Party. Yes, she wrote on it this season. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very fun and it's a very yes. So it's
Speaker 1: a really really big wedding episode and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much more I'm allowed to say. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's that's going. But they are a big Louie
Speaker 1: Anderson's in Louis season. Yes, I met him the other day.
Speaker 1: He was the lawyer. He's Drew's lawyer. Yeah. Um, and MICHAELA.
Speaker 1: Watkins is on it. Yeah, I did see that they're
Speaker 1: posting that MICHAELA. Watkins was Yes, Yeah, she's amazing. What
Speaker 1: a good and you're an episode for you said, I
Speaker 1: have a tiny little part in episode four and we'll
Speaker 1: take this out if they end up cutting it because
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that could get cut. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll get cut. No, After some of
Speaker 1: the things you were saying off Mike about the show
Speaker 1: and how the process was, I think that I think that,
Speaker 1: well I can just report back and report back that
Speaker 1: my relationship with Charles Rogerson j D plast director was
Speaker 1: really positive. And what did j plas director? He's so sexy,
Speaker 1: He's so fucking hot and I have to tell you
Speaker 1: um him. But it was weird because like it's weird
Speaker 1: because I've always thought he was so sexy, so seeing
Speaker 1: him in person, it's such a weirdo. When I saw
Speaker 1: him in person, I was like, this, holds up this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, what did you don't erase name one
Speaker 1: person here? You think it's really hot and then you
Speaker 1: see them in person and they weren't like a celebrity Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like many incarnations. Yeah, he's just he's just he's
Speaker 1: he's he's unassumingly sexy. That's what I mean. You know
Speaker 1: who's fun out in person, who's also so hot on screen?
Speaker 1: Justin Thorow. I saw him in Central Park or not
Speaker 1: Central Park, watching a square park the other day, walking
Speaker 1: his dog. So he's in his eyes when he's a
Speaker 1: genuinely like nice person, and his eyes when when he smiles,
Speaker 1: his eyes twinkled. Yeah, but you guys are just describing
Speaker 1: hot people. Why don't you just why don't you just
Speaker 1: happen to be in person? Is not? What did you say?
Speaker 1: He was unassumingly hot in person? He was unassumingly a
Speaker 1: pop star and transparent like he's Okay, you guys are
Speaker 1: so stupid. We are really. I'm just saying, are you
Speaker 1: both single? I? Yes, I'm very single. Are you both dating? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And oh my god, you want to know something. I
Speaker 1: got dumped for something that wasn't that serious, but it
Speaker 1: just was drawn out for six years. But then I realized, uh,
Speaker 1: longest relationship just in terms of length alone, wasn't like
Speaker 1: the deepest one. Yeah, it wasn't like it just it
Speaker 1: was because it was it was. It remained kind of casually. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and you know how study Okay, so we just listeners know.
Speaker 1: We tripped on acid up state recently, the first time,
Speaker 1: Semond time, first time? Did you love? I had a
Speaker 1: really good time. I wrote down a lot of lessons. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: have you've done you've done it. I do. I love
Speaker 1: the most recently Jordan's Firstman and myself and Brian Sofie
Speaker 1: were that sounds like a good crew l ST at
Speaker 1: the San Diego Zoo. Oh. That must have been amazing memorial.
Speaker 1: But that seems almost dangerous because it's amazing because with
Speaker 1: with LST, it's like in this sort of group mind
Speaker 1: you set and like all it takes us for one
Speaker 1: person to be like, let's climb over the let's go
Speaker 1: stay high to that tiger yeah, and everyone else be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it, you know, Like but I mean we
Speaker 1: were the three of us were all standing on the
Speaker 1: on like our deck, and we were like, the thing is,
Speaker 1: we're all here and we all know that we all
Speaker 1: want to jump off this deck, but we also know
Speaker 1: we shouldn't. We were micro do saying first of all,
Speaker 1: and um second of all. We just we were in
Speaker 1: a very it was a very positive like loving more yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think we were all very hyper aware of
Speaker 1: the fact that we write a very crowded zeus surrounded
Speaker 1: both children, so we weren't we didn't get too out
Speaker 1: of control. But I so you had a lovely LSD
Speaker 1: upstate experience close friends, and it was it was good
Speaker 1: and it was healing and it was healing. But then
Speaker 1: Study said something where she was like, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's all behind us now, our first, our first jobs,
Speaker 1: our first loves, our first And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: not not for some people. And I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I talked about this in therapy unpacked it.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, like that like me breaking
Speaker 1: up with this dude was like sort of like not
Speaker 1: the most meaningful but the longest. And that's like kind
Speaker 1: of sad. Did you break up with the dudes you
Speaker 1: break up with me? Yeah? Whatever, it's not sad, that's
Speaker 1: that's not sad. No, because it's it's the reason you
Speaker 1: say it's sad is because you're trying to compare it
Speaker 1: to like what society says should have happened. How old
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah, I mean, for fox sake that don't
Speaker 1: do this. I know we're going to do this because
Speaker 1: you're the one being ridiculous. I mean, I will say also,
Speaker 1: when I lived in New York City, I never dated really.
Speaker 1: I mean like I had obviously like a lot of
Speaker 1: like random anonymous sex or like or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: never had I never had a boyfriend in the entire
Speaker 1: time I lived here, and then the minute I moved
Speaker 1: to l A, I was like, boyfriend crazy, how did you?
Speaker 1: I met Augustus at a brunch and we hooked up
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. That it's very I feel like it's
Speaker 1: from something. Well that that to me, the fact that
Speaker 1: the attraction like superseded the fact that there was a
Speaker 1: brunch happening and it was the day and society don't know,
Speaker 1: this shouldn't happen. That's real attraction. The night before had
Speaker 1: been at the same party. We were both at eight
Speaker 1: Fourth of July party at Roland Emmerick's house, like a
Speaker 1: big We didn't meet there and we both looked up
Speaker 1: with other people at that and then we were all
Speaker 1: like a little hangover brunch the next day, Jordan's firstman
Speaker 1: and I went and uh we uh staring was super
Speaker 1: cute and we we hooked up. And I think, I
Speaker 1: think I'm allowed to say this, but that Jordan was
Speaker 1: also involved in the hook up. That ye, and so
Speaker 1: Jordan's what and I both were like, he's super cute
Speaker 1: and Jordan's won't admit this, but he did say he
Speaker 1: was like a game on Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: This was that I'm going to reveal something right now
Speaker 1: because I'm feeling frisky as well. The first that I
Speaker 1: ever found we we found out that Henry Skoperski had
Speaker 1: broken up with his boyfriend. And I turned to Joel
Speaker 1: and Joel said to me, if you don't go for it,
Speaker 1: I will. He's Henry Is who plays piano, right, Yes, yes, yes, um?
Speaker 1: And did you did go for it? And it was
Speaker 1: at night on? And how long were you guys together? To?
Speaker 1: Two years plus? And are you still close? Yes? Um,
Speaker 1: we are, we are. We're doing fine. I would say
Speaker 1: they're working together. We're working together on stuff, and we
Speaker 1: worked together and we've been closer than we are right now.
Speaker 1: But I think it's just because our relationship kind of
Speaker 1: ended and then like sort of continued in a way
Speaker 1: where it's like we're not really we're in the like
Speaker 1: letting go place right now. So we're a little bit
Speaker 1: more a stranger than we have ever been. One of
Speaker 1: you had a boyfriend since he is Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know what he wants me to say, but I know
Speaker 1: what I will say, which is that he is dating
Speaker 1: someone else and I didn't know the person very well.
Speaker 1: And so it's tough, and I think that's understandably hard
Speaker 1: for everyone. But and that's that sort of complicates the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And was that your first real breakup? It
Speaker 1: was my first relationship, first breakup, and I think that
Speaker 1: it was his third. So it was like hard for
Speaker 1: me in a way that maybe wasn't not to say
Speaker 1: that it wasn't hard for him, but it was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, that complicated things because my first time understanding
Speaker 1: what it's like because whenever my friends had broken up
Speaker 1: with someone, I had always been like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: get over it, like bounce back. And now it's like
Speaker 1: realizing it's like a grief period. I had to her
Speaker 1: my first breakup was really epic and awful. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you followed me then, but I like,
Speaker 1: like live tweeted the whole thing and was very public
Speaker 1: about it. This was what the ex boyfriend who was
Speaker 1: on the reality show about Fire Island I remember and
Speaker 1: then and the Jeffrey is also a Vulture recapper, and
Speaker 1: then he would gorgeous the Fire Island show. Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it was so amazing. It was, Yeah, it was in
Speaker 1: retrostered like when I had the breakup this would have
Speaker 1: been like too, who knows, like ten maybe I love
Speaker 1: talking about art with you. The breakup online was like
Speaker 1: so humiliating. I think it's taken me like five years
Speaker 1: to like like recover my brand. This was six I
Speaker 1: think six years ago. Yeah, but then I had the
Speaker 1: boyfriend after him. I was dating when I met Augustus.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, but it was a long distance thing. That
Speaker 1: was with Australian comedian Joel Creasy. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys know him. Um, he might have been jfl
Speaker 1: jfl um. But I met him in Australia when Cole
Speaker 1: and I were there doing a gig years before, years ago,
Speaker 1: and UH came back and was like, for some reason
Speaker 1: decided because I'm so codependent and had like a good
Speaker 1: date with this person and it was like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: going to be boyfriend's long distance from Australia to Los Angeles. Um.
Speaker 1: And managed to do it for a year, but then
Speaker 1: he was coming to visit and I met Augustus like
Speaker 1: two weeks before, and then I tried to keep it
Speaker 1: going and I didn't want to break up with him
Speaker 1: and always like too embarrassed and too nervous, so I
Speaker 1: had him still fly to l A. And then in
Speaker 1: my sleep Um started talking about Augustus and he woke
Speaker 1: up the next morning that was like, what, who's Augustus?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know, I don't mean to like, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to romanticize this. It was kind of magical.
Speaker 1: It feels like a fucking sex in the city store.
Speaker 1: Yes it does. And then get this ship so crazy.
Speaker 1: So then Aggie and I we you know, we get married,
Speaker 1: and then we're on our honeymoon in Mexico this summer
Speaker 1: and we're on a beach in Salilida, which is a
Speaker 1: beautiful little place. It's also um, we went there because
Speaker 1: Serbriena Jolie suggested it's where they met the donor sperm
Speaker 1: donor of their adorable baby Wolfee. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you follow his adorable nous. Um anyway, so we went there,
Speaker 1: amazing place you highly recommended. Um. We're sitting on this
Speaker 1: little beach that we found that we like hiked over to.
Speaker 1: We've met these two groovy Australians. Um, we're all sharing
Speaker 1: a joint and then it's like, okay, we're all gonna
Speaker 1: read and then she pulls out my ex boyfriends newly
Speaker 1: released memoir with a chapter about me dumping him for
Speaker 1: Augustus ship. So like on this tiny, tiny beach in Mexico,
Speaker 1: someone has come from a from Australia with an Australian
Speaker 1: published book with eight full like six pages that I
Speaker 1: I read before to make sure like he was very
Speaker 1: nice and um yeah yeah sure um and I was
Speaker 1: also I was supposed to help sucking ghost write the book,
Speaker 1: um before we broke up. So everything about it was
Speaker 1: so crazy and so then he, uh, she's she's reading
Speaker 1: the she she's reading the book, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know that you're about to get to a chapter
Speaker 1: about how I'm a horrible person. But in the end
Speaker 1: you'll see how we meet my husband and I and
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful thing. Isn't that bizarre saying it's
Speaker 1: so funked up? How like everything the world is too small?
Speaker 1: Too small, too small? I mean, but I mean, but
Speaker 1: aren't we sort of like didn't we sort of ask
Speaker 1: for this in a way where it's like we've we've
Speaker 1: we've wanted to make ourselves visible, and so when when
Speaker 1: we do have these moments where our personal lives are
Speaker 1: sort of like thrown back at us, like from It
Speaker 1: is interesting because it's like, I mean, I'm not someone
Speaker 1: who's ever wanted attention. I've never done anything to try
Speaker 1: to seek attention by any by any means know, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like when you're like trying to like make it
Speaker 1: and make it, you know, make yourself like a famous
Speaker 1: person and doing what you do. You then when you
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like actually someone actually gives a
Speaker 1: ship about your personal life, you get really weird about
Speaker 1: you're I mean, so imagine being like super duper famous,
Speaker 1: like imagine being like Jennifer Aniston or something. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that at least I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean you never, I'll never never. You don't know
Speaker 1: that though, I don't know that. But the thing is
Speaker 1: like you like like you and a remake of In
Speaker 1: Her Shoes? I think you're going to be my day
Speaker 1: A little came. I think, actually, if we should do
Speaker 1: a remake of is in Her Shoes? Is even Annison
Speaker 1: in that rumor has it is a crazy movie. I
Speaker 1: don't know how did it get me? Every literally I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's been on. How did it get me? Jordan
Speaker 1: and I watched it once and every other line was
Speaker 1: somehow something about how amazing Pasadena is. Literally it would
Speaker 1: be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. There's
Speaker 1: nothing like passaging like every other line in the whole
Speaker 1: time long of you and Jordan been friends? Are you
Speaker 1: guys best friends forever? Um? We are, really I would
Speaker 1: consider one of my best fees. Um. He and I
Speaker 1: became friends probably only like four or five years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that it feels like a decade and a half.
Speaker 1: Ye know. Now we like Matt and clicks really quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so brilliantly. Um, we're going over to go He's coming
Speaker 1: with Uggy and I in Charles to the UK for
Speaker 1: the holidays. Were in good content aggies from London. Uh,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna go to London for a few days.
Speaker 1: But his parents recently retired and moved to the countryside.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that wilk show. I have to say,
Speaker 1: I think that that sounds like a very good vibe
Speaker 1: you Jordan and Brian are doing as together. I don't
Speaker 1: know Brian, well, I've met Brian once, but I feel
Speaker 1: like and I like him though. He's one of the
Speaker 1: great guys. Everything I've heard about from him about people
Speaker 1: that work with him, and like he's a genuinely like
Speaker 1: good person, doesn't have like a like bitchy, mean spirited
Speaker 1: side like I do, or like so many people I'm
Speaker 1: friends with you. He has a warm energy. He has
Speaker 1: a very very warm energy. We were nervous to and he,
Speaker 1: Aaron and us. We were all in the same dressing
Speaker 1: room and it was like this moment of like two
Speaker 1: and a half minutes bent by where no one said
Speaker 1: anything and we were like the same time. But it
Speaker 1: was so nice. Did you read Aaron's book? I want
Speaker 1: you so bad? I have not read it just came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it came out about a month ago. That covers amazing.
Speaker 1: I listened to the audio book and I cannot recommend
Speaker 1: it enough. I'm going to do the audio because I
Speaker 1: want to hear her read it. It's She's great. And
Speaker 1: also Guy Brandam's audio book was amazing if you listen
Speaker 1: to it. Read the audio book was I mean the
Speaker 1: book as well, it's so good. I think that there's
Speaker 1: something to that. And also maybe they're just they feel
Speaker 1: like totally different experiences. Like I remember, like um reading
Speaker 1: Bossy Pants like obsessively when it first came out, and
Speaker 1: then like hearing her perform the book, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is I love an audio book. Wait, but speaking
Speaker 1: of which, okay, so so you just being on the
Speaker 1: speech and finding out that this whole chapter is about
Speaker 1: you is so tripping insane. Does this go in your book?
Speaker 1: You have to write as I want to write, like
Speaker 1: an essays book, but like it's harder to do that,
Speaker 1: Like the y books were easy, like more easy to
Speaker 1: sell for some to sell, but to right to write.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could, but I'm so lazy that again,
Speaker 1: it's lazy. You've published two books, but only because I
Speaker 1: got paid to do it without getting I have a
Speaker 1: hard time writing things on spec Okay, but I mean
Speaker 1: I hear you. It's a memoir. Is a memoir of Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you can see you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're a proven quantity as a as
Speaker 1: a writer because you've been you're published author. That's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I will do that at some point. Please um.
Speaker 1: I would definitely like to um. But but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hard to like actually motivate yourself to do it when
Speaker 1: you're like, well I even sell this though, but you
Speaker 1: but they're just has to has to be a chapter
Speaker 1: on that. Yes, absolutely crazy, so crazy. It was the
Speaker 1: strangest straight just thing. Oh my god. Yeah, that sounds
Speaker 1: that sounds like a real moment. It's like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: know how to explain it in my head. As she
Speaker 1: pulled the book out of it back, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Then and then the couple and my husband well fucked
Speaker 1: right on the beach. Wait literally was like like cool,
Speaker 1: It was like amazing, how beautiful. That's art. That's art.
Speaker 1: I love talking about art with you, guys. Love talking
Speaker 1: about art. Speaking art. Back to art Chat. Art Chat
Speaker 1: is the title of Yes but speaking of art. Go
Speaker 1: ahead and ask the ques Jeffrey. Okay, we asked this
Speaker 1: question all our guests. What is the culture growing up
Speaker 1: that made you say culture is for me? Matt, can
Speaker 1: you explain the question? So this is like a piece
Speaker 1: of pop culture, whether it be a film, uh, musical artists,
Speaker 1: something that you experienced in the pop culture lexicon that
Speaker 1: like you feel when you look back, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that set me on a course or defined me in
Speaker 1: a way. Okay, I would probably say can I say
Speaker 1: two things? You can you can say three, you can
Speaker 1: say four. There's no fucking rules. Number one, death becomes
Speaker 1: her very like I think like the death becomes her
Speaker 1: like a dark comedy. Um, you know, incredible female strong performances. Um.
Speaker 1: Just the entire aesthetic of like the l A of
Speaker 1: it all, the Hollywood of it all, the New York
Speaker 1: musical theater of it all, elements of competition. I think
Speaker 1: it's competitive. Yes, I mean we all have our own
Speaker 1: Madeline Ashton. Uh, that was very very intro. That's the
Speaker 1: culture for me. And then the Rosie o'donald Show. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rosie o'donald Show was bigger for all of us than
Speaker 1: we can even realize because that actually introduced us to
Speaker 1: so much that just flew over. It was so it
Speaker 1: was so inherently gay without being gay. It really was.
Speaker 1: It captured like the city I wanted to move to
Speaker 1: in the world I wanted to be in without even
Speaker 1: really knowing it. Rosie o'donald for me is like I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've ever talked about this, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: obsession with nothing more than that. Like roseo donald is
Speaker 1: my number one obsession. Rosie is anything else. If if
Speaker 1: her name, if no matter what it is, if she's involved,
Speaker 1: if it's an article, a movie, an episode, whatever. I
Speaker 1: will I have both Christmas albums. I will do anything.
Speaker 1: My favorite show is The View. Sure I've heard of it,
Speaker 1: And when Rosie peeks into the View, like because every
Speaker 1: ten years she's like a, yeah, it's never better than woman. Never.
Speaker 1: Oh don't understand even the negative aspects of the View.
Speaker 1: You need that. Oh, yes, Rosie on the View is
Speaker 1: unprecedented television unprecedented. You know. She she uh co filled
Speaker 1: in or whatever for Julie chen the other day on
Speaker 1: you to that period when like I think it was
Speaker 1: right after Julie Chennett like officially left the Talk and
Speaker 1: they were bringing in all the different co host or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it was the day of the Kavanaugh hearing and
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Yeah, and no one got to see it,
Speaker 1: which I think says a lot that Yeah, that certainly
Speaker 1: didn't air. She's always been right about everything, and she's
Speaker 1: always yes, I agree, and she's always always always just
Speaker 1: like been like unapologetically uh flawed and like broken and
Speaker 1: I love that. Um. But the thing about the Rosia
Speaker 1: Donald Show being this very queer thing that a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't give it credit for. It is huge
Speaker 1: because think about like fucking even having Sutton Foster on
Speaker 1: doing all the time she had John Cameron Mitchell on
Speaker 1: promoting head vag and Ingry and off Broadway and like explain.
Speaker 1: You can find the clip on YouTube. It's fascinating. And
Speaker 1: she's trying. She's like explaining the show and she's not
Speaker 1: even out at this point. She's explaining the show to
Speaker 1: this you know, very very mainstream America audience and they're
Speaker 1: like laughing. They like laugh at some point about like
Speaker 1: the description of the show, and she like stops and
Speaker 1: it's like open your minds for God's sake, is like
Speaker 1: a piece of art art, but it's it's so interesting
Speaker 1: to watch. There's so many moments like that, like she
Speaker 1: with Sandra Bernhard sheet with all of her like this was,
Speaker 1: you know, for life to begin an iconic She would
Speaker 1: have people on also like that we're like doing shows
Speaker 1: at the Duplex no joke and be like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: woman is doing like a ethel Merman tribute show at
Speaker 1: the Duplex tonight, go see And then like on the
Speaker 1: most that was the biggest show on daytime. Crazy and yeah,
Speaker 1: sucking Sandra even was she doing like ours Nova Ship
Speaker 1: at the time. It was like post at Sandra being like,
Speaker 1: you know, the big letterman guest and it was like
Speaker 1: her career like dip down a bit and like, but
Speaker 1: it was all those kind of people that were that
Speaker 1: she'd have on that. We're the first time I ever
Speaker 1: experienced any of those people. And also Rosie. What I
Speaker 1: love about Rosie is she loved the stuff. She loved,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, No one loves anything more
Speaker 1: than she. Unapologetic she when she when she discovered Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: Basically she was fucking in like the survivor Survivor. The
Speaker 1: episode when J. K. Rowling came on Rosie's that was
Speaker 1: huge and I'll never forget when she started weeping. But
Speaker 1: even before Barbara, I just want to say that curtain,
Speaker 1: it's like my own mother. It's the most beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: All those clips are online. You should watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Why don't they I don't know why they don't just
Speaker 1: put the whole thing like out that you could buy
Speaker 1: the same with Oprah, like on iTunes. It's a it
Speaker 1: should be available to cry in shame. There's a great
Speaker 1: DVD though, of the Rosie o Donald Show Season one,
Speaker 1: Rosie Looking Back, and it's they basically all the best
Speaker 1: clips of season one, and it's like Rosie and like
Speaker 1: sweats and like barefoot, sitting in like an armchair, cross legs,
Speaker 1: um like watching the clips and like giving you like
Speaker 1: backstage behind the scenes kind of like uh, descriptions of
Speaker 1: what happened in stories, and she's taking it really seriously
Speaker 1: and she's really or an estant. It's great. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I think the I think it's actually pretty similar to
Speaker 1: Hillary honestly, the way the public feels about Rosie I
Speaker 1: because she's been so tainted by the I mean, my mother,
Speaker 1: my own mother even said, like before before we all
Speaker 1: kind of woke up like that six or seven years ago,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. My mom said, like, I love Rosie,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. She seems really opinionated lately, and
Speaker 1: it's the thing that seeps into the public consciousness that
Speaker 1: women aren't supposed to to speak out, aren't supposed to
Speaker 1: have strong opinions, and when she had a strong, like
Speaker 1: liberal opinion, it turned people off, especially someone who was
Speaker 1: beloved by mainstream media. And not only that, but like
Speaker 1: I think news organizations and like uh you know, like networks,
Speaker 1: they get angry at you when you are divisive or opinionated,
Speaker 1: because your don't appeal to everyone in their reading ratings
Speaker 1: get bad. And so she was totally thrown under the
Speaker 1: bush and she and she turned down like an insane
Speaker 1: amount of money, and I think it really pissed because
Speaker 1: they wanted her to keep doing that show. She really
Speaker 1: did like four or five seasons, and then they offered her,
Speaker 1: I think, like a hundred million dollars to do two
Speaker 1: more seasons, and she was like, I don't need, like,
Speaker 1: I already have so much money. I've just made so
Speaker 1: much money. I'm not doing it. And I think like
Speaker 1: within that world of like the corporate old men who
Speaker 1: run everything like they were really, I think that like
Speaker 1: was such a slap in the face to everything that
Speaker 1: they think matters. Uh. She Yeah, She's fascinating. If you've
Speaker 1: never read either of her books Find Me or Celebrity
Speaker 1: d Talks. Find Me is this amazing book that was
Speaker 1: during the Rosio Donald Show where this woman basically contacted
Speaker 1: her adoption nonprofit a like company h and I was
Speaker 1: saying she was a pregnant teen and needed help and
Speaker 1: Dad dada, and then basically Rosie got very involved in
Speaker 1: trying to help this kid and it realizes this isn't
Speaker 1: a spoiler. This is with the books about that the
Speaker 1: person has is multiple personalities and its contacting her as
Speaker 1: like five She's like five different people she's talking to.
Speaker 1: Are this the same person? Yeah? And like she got
Speaker 1: so involved she like this person to New York. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming they're probably still in touch. It's a beautiful story.
Speaker 1: And then the Celebrity Detox book is about when she
Speaker 1: left The View and it's about like deciding to there's
Speaker 1: no I mean the fight between Rosie and Elizabeth on
Speaker 1: the View. That's a moment forever and you can see Rosie, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's foot screen and you it's just this moment of
Speaker 1: like it's real path those it's it's and and Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: You can see the moment Elizabeth deciding to be who
Speaker 1: yes and and they? She had even said Rosie said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I took Elizabeth to her first Broadway show.
Speaker 1: I really tried with her. And in that moment, Elizabeth
Speaker 1: really threw her under the bus. And when Rosie said
Speaker 1: she was cowardly, like that came from her soul, Like
Speaker 1: and that's you only get that on our show. Like
Speaker 1: that view the views, but is it it's the best,
Speaker 1: but it's not great anymore. Well, I actually think it's
Speaker 1: having a little bit of anis. However, I think the
Speaker 1: fact that things are going so well right now at
Speaker 1: the show is not necessarily what we need from the show.
Speaker 1: We need conflict and we need someone. I think they
Speaker 1: thought so that Megan McCain was going to shake it
Speaker 1: up more than than she has. But the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is Megan McCain, while she's conservative, she's also
Speaker 1: reasonable and she's a friend to many liberals. They am No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying that something. And Abby
Speaker 1: Huntsman actually is pretty moderate. I actually don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate Tommy Lauren and I you know, it's such
Speaker 1: a conflict conflicted thing to think like it should you
Speaker 1: give her that platform? But there is something about like
Speaker 1: getting to see Whoopie Goldberg explain how the funk the
Speaker 1: world actually works on a daily basis, And I think
Speaker 1: what happens is I think they the conservative on the show,
Speaker 1: and this is just kind of true. They've always been.
Speaker 1: They've always been kind of an idiot like Hastleback. She
Speaker 1: always needed her fucking copious pieces of papers printed out
Speaker 1: of Megan McCain is just very smart and like educated
Speaker 1: about the kind of things that she is educated about.
Speaker 1: I think some of her opinions are a little fun,
Speaker 1: but she's also an idiot about the things that she's
Speaker 1: not I would agree with like Michelle, a friend of
Speaker 1: the show, Michelle Collins will tell you that, yes that
Speaker 1: Michelle Collins, one of the truest icons of arist icons,
Speaker 1: was robbed and also this was robbed. This campaign of
Speaker 1: her taking Megan Kelly's slot is well, there's no bigger
Speaker 1: idiot than Megan Kelly, because the thing about Megan Kelly
Speaker 1: is she's not even smart enough to be aware of
Speaker 1: that she is a racist. So it's like, you are
Speaker 1: a racist. You know what, Queen, you are a RACI
Speaker 1: you happened. She is very good history of all. She's
Speaker 1: a very good Fox News interrogative prosecutorial reporter. She was
Speaker 1: very good at remaining com while stirring the hot on
Speaker 1: her guests and getting them upset and being like, well,
Speaker 1: you look ridiculous by She's very good at Fox News
Speaker 1: type journalism. But she is the opposite of warm. The
Speaker 1: idea that she was ever going to succeed on as
Speaker 1: in a morning show capacity is ridiculous. And didn't they
Speaker 1: Did they shorten Kathy Leonhoda for her? Or was that
Speaker 1: a different slot? Um, it was a different slot. They
Speaker 1: just but I can't believe that the Today's Show would
Speaker 1: be so dumb as to give an entire hour to her.
Speaker 1: I think NBC News is someone needs to be fired
Speaker 1: over that. But she's officially out right, it's officially canceled,
Speaker 1: and she will have a different She's being brought out
Speaker 1: all unconfirmed. Well we should say this is gonna come
Speaker 1: out later. As of this moment in time, it's unconfirmed
Speaker 1: what's going to happen to her. The latest um report
Speaker 1: from NBC News is that she's still currently an employee
Speaker 1: of NBC News, But there are obviously lots of leaks
Speaker 1: and discussions about how she's being brought out of this
Speaker 1: seventy million dollar Her deal is so fu it was huge,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what Rosie Rosy turned out a hundred?
Speaker 1: Rosy turned down a hundred, y'all. It's just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, guys. I stopped trusting Megan
Speaker 1: Kelly when she said Jesus was white and Santa was
Speaker 1: white it's like, what did you think you were getting?
Speaker 1: The delivery of the Santa one especially, it's just so funny.
Speaker 1: She's so like but kids Santa just is It's like
Speaker 1: what kids are watching your show? What kids are kids?
Speaker 1: It's just so Megan. Megan is the entire Rosie truly,
Speaker 1: more than more so than Elizabeth. Yeah. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just such a shame we don't have, like I want
Speaker 1: a Rosie like MSNBC Late, like a nighttime show right now.
Speaker 1: There was I think I read somewhere that there had
Speaker 1: been talk of that at one point, but like, well,
Speaker 1: her health isn't good. Well, I think she's because she
Speaker 1: had that heart attack. She I think, is like I
Speaker 1: can't bring myself to get so stressed out. That's why
Speaker 1: she left. She sent to you and she did one
Speaker 1: year and she was like I actually have realized that
Speaker 1: this is a stressful show for her, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: a full year. I think she left. She was she
Speaker 1: left by Christmas, and you know what, we can't ask
Speaker 1: that much of her. But she's engaged. Good, she's getting
Speaker 1: married again to some like really I think fourth Mary, No, third,
Speaker 1: you're right. Third, Yes, there was Kelly and then Michelle
Speaker 1: who Kelly and Michelle where she is her Beyonce, her
Speaker 1: new wife is like a really gorgeous police officer in Boston.
Speaker 1: They've all been beautiful a Boston. I also think people
Speaker 1: get weirded out by Rosie because she's a woman with
Speaker 1: masculine like like energy, and I think like that that
Speaker 1: I think is what really pisses Donald Trump off about her,
Speaker 1: is that like he sees parts of like she's an
Speaker 1: unapologizal but he wants that kind of strength and power
Speaker 1: and he can't have a Rosie has that. I hate
Speaker 1: that because he's president and has done this thing in
Speaker 1: America that there's like of this nation that fucking hates her.
Speaker 1: So what that must be like to be her right
Speaker 1: now and be like my bully, my biggest bully in
Speaker 1: the world. President is the president. It's something I think
Speaker 1: he is obviously very offended by powerful women who he's
Speaker 1: never going to Yes, well, that's the thing is there's yeah,
Speaker 1: he has no use for her because you know, I
Speaker 1: I believe that if well this would never happen. But
Speaker 1: I would be nothing more than if Rosie and Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: I mean that debate would be I thought you said,
Speaker 1: thought you want to say that they have had sex,
Speaker 1: I would not. Whatever happened. I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: other day, and I was just like, God, what do
Speaker 1: we have? And then I was thinking, like, of course,
Speaker 1: like what the natural thing would be to like want
Speaker 1: to put a woman up there to like show him
Speaker 1: what the funk is? Really? What a way that Hillary
Speaker 1: never could just because there was so much public decisions
Speaker 1: already being made about Hillary and she could never get
Speaker 1: out from under that. But I was also like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Part of me feels like we do
Speaker 1: need to put someone on his level up there. And
Speaker 1: that's why I was entertained by the Oprah thing, is
Speaker 1: that's officially not happening, right, we don't know. She has
Speaker 1: said no, and you have to believe when she says no.
Speaker 1: I do believe Oprah means no. She's starting the book
Speaker 1: club again. That's all I'm gonna say. Really, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: said she was she I think she's she alluded to that.
Speaker 1: She was like, Oh, if Reese Witherspoon's doing it, I
Speaker 1: better started. And I love that John is taking race
Speaker 1: to task on this voting stuff that Rees has not
Speaker 1: has only done like a bass to get out the
Speaker 1: vote thing and not has not fully um done the
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift thing, and like John Early, I just been
Speaker 1: been being like, hey, can you actually like speak out
Speaker 1: against Marsha Blackburn and can you actually endorse the Democratic
Speaker 1: Cannona and Tennessee instead of just doing like fucking milktoast
Speaker 1: get out the vote chick. Oh, I haven't seen that again,
Speaker 1: no Twitter, But I'm i'm I'm, I'm, I'm a stranger
Speaker 1: to all of your opinions. But there you go. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think, um, what if you came on the show
Speaker 1: and it was like a conservative podcast. Honestly, I would
Speaker 1: be very excited. It would it would be real. It
Speaker 1: would just be really interesting. It would just be so
Speaker 1: it would make you guys like even more interesting, Like
Speaker 1: it would just be like, I need to be what
Speaker 1: are these guys all about? What are you guys after God?
Speaker 1: Somewhere out there like that we don't know about. There's
Speaker 1: a gay or there's a gay version of also us,
Speaker 1: but their conservatives. I would love to watch. I would
Speaker 1: watch a scripted show about you guys playing like a
Speaker 1: conservative like podcast. Write it someone someone right for us.
Speaker 1: We're not somebody out there. I'm not writing anything on
Speaker 1: spec I've established that. And as we said, and look
Speaker 1: and and if and if you hired Jeffrey to a
Speaker 1: ghost write something for you, then you'll then you'll dat
Speaker 1: and break up. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: isn't that just great? I mean, it is like a
Speaker 1: great it's a great like story. It's such a good story.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that it's It's just it's the perfect
Speaker 1: kind of narrator. And especially after I was so horrifying
Speaker 1: and humiliating to my ex boyfriend when we when we
Speaker 1: broke up, like when I was like, it's the it's
Speaker 1: just the perfect payback. It's just you think you think.
Speaker 1: I think there's there was definitely some karma to it,
Speaker 1: for sure, but because I mean, like when I was
Speaker 1: broke up with my first ex boyfriend, I was so
Speaker 1: like on hinge on the internet to him and to
Speaker 1: his guy he started dating right after me. I was
Speaker 1: so horrible. I think I still can't view his Instagram.
Speaker 1: I think he somehow blocked like my I P from
Speaker 1: my phone. I can't. I can't like to look. That's
Speaker 1: Chris Salvatore. Do you know who he is? I don't
Speaker 1: want to see the thing is, well, when do you
Speaker 1: were sort of narrating all this. I did not care
Speaker 1: for him, Yeah, no, no, no, no. This this was
Speaker 1: like a time where basically it was like my first
Speaker 1: boyfrien and it was like the the ex boyfriend who
Speaker 1: it was like the first time, like a hot like
Speaker 1: guy who looked like from like a shun Cody video
Speaker 1: ever paid attention to me, and I was like so
Speaker 1: excited by that that like, you know, Dawson from the
Speaker 1: old Shandy video, remember him, Corban Fisher, Dawson Dawson and
Speaker 1: Lucas I don't know, one of the greatest. Remember they
Speaker 1: didn't they did a whole fucking Czechoslovakia trip. They did,
Speaker 1: they did a whole Europe trip, and they did it
Speaker 1: sucked in different hoods, yes, And it felt like one
Speaker 1: of them had decided to date me, and so I
Speaker 1: had a very meldoc. And then when we broke up,
Speaker 1: he dated someone that who was also you know again
Speaker 1: like a very hot like Corbin fishery looking person, and
Speaker 1: then I just couldn't handle it because all my greatest
Speaker 1: fears were personified. And so then year old lost his mind.
Speaker 1: So I think the karma of that lost his mind
Speaker 1: that's the title of But I think the karma of
Speaker 1: that led to me me having a chapter written about
Speaker 1: me in Joel's book. There you Go. I mean you
Speaker 1: survived all of it. I've survived, and isn't it's so
Speaker 1: funny that, like you were again fully mired in the
Speaker 1: socialist performative. Yes on displayformative, social media. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: it's like we are sort of in this weird post
Speaker 1: state that I never thought we would get to. Ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is here to stay were this is how we're
Speaker 1: gonna be. Doesn't feel like it is here to stay,
Speaker 1: does it. It feels like it's sort of starting to
Speaker 1: break down a little. I mean, there's an element to
Speaker 1: it that will always be here, but like that like
Speaker 1: really performative like two thousand seven, Yeah, this is just
Speaker 1: like this would have been two thousand twelve. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that it wasn't the peak of yet. Yeah, like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that kind of thing is kind of
Speaker 1: dying down. I love it. Just I welcome that me too. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. Since we've been
Speaker 1: talking about porn, I've been thinking about my porner that
Speaker 1: I've been watching lately, which is do you guys know Carter,
Speaker 1: Dane and Alex Meekum, yes, yea. The video, the first
Speaker 1: video of them, um like they're they're they're dating and
Speaker 1: really there and they're in love and real life and
Speaker 1: the love that important. The video, the video that they
Speaker 1: did together, you can literally see them fall in love
Speaker 1: and I actually kind of love it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like Rosie and Elizabeth. And then you see the moment
Speaker 1: where they decide what they're going to be. Who is
Speaker 1: your number? Who are your porn staries right now? Who care?
Speaker 1: Dane is I think the hottest person in the world,
Speaker 1: although I do think a big Ricky roman is. I
Speaker 1: like Ricky Roman. I'm a big Levi Carter fan. Levi
Speaker 1: Carter is a little small for me. I like that. Um,
Speaker 1: I like uh, I like this dude. Um Robert Axel
Speaker 1: but he's sort of fallen off. But he would do
Speaker 1: a lot of massage porn stuff that was like a
Speaker 1: fun little like my only little sort of vertically kinky niche.
Speaker 1: But then a massages just massage. It's like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: this is kind're not not kicking it all right, like
Speaker 1: totally erotic massage that you've never done it. Well, one
Speaker 1: time it was going in that direction, and I think
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. I didn't say no,
Speaker 1: but like I think I treat yourself guys. I think
Speaker 1: had I looked over and made I contact once, I
Speaker 1: think it would have someone hire someone. It's so sex
Speaker 1: positive screen sewer fighter dot com. It's my favorite. We
Speaker 1: went to the strip club. Like I ended up giving
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty dollars to these strippers and one
Speaker 1: of them, I like, really went too far with strip
Speaker 1: in New York. Joe and I have compared notes afterwards,
Speaker 1: and we both were bad boys. You were both very bad.
Speaker 1: They both got swindled from these from these I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe how much money I didn't have that I gave them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm a big Darius Ferdinand guy. And he
Speaker 1: has he had boyfriends with is he boyfriends with Ricky Roman? Wow?
Speaker 1: That one of the hottest things ever. Also, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I got I gotta say, what's his name? Who takes
Speaker 1: pictures at the gay events that we go hands. I
Speaker 1: one time I thought I was going to get talk
Speaker 1: up with Tight Hanson because I he deemed me on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I actually because what happened was a friend of
Speaker 1: mine w had hooked up with him, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to hook up with Tate handsome,
Speaker 1: and so I started following him on Twitter and you know,
Speaker 1: did the thing where I like faved a bunch of ships.
Speaker 1: He slid into the d m um and we made
Speaker 1: plans to have I was here shooting I think difficult
Speaker 1: people and he made we made plans to like hook
Speaker 1: up that or meet up that night for a drink,
Speaker 1: and we were like texting back and forth, and I
Speaker 1: was going to meet him at Barracuda because he was
Speaker 1: judging some sort of like sinking content. And we finally
Speaker 1: meet up when and we're texting and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I forget what he said. But I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: shut up, bitch something in text, and he wrote back
Speaker 1: this long thing that was like, please don't refer to
Speaker 1: me as a bitch. That is really hurtful. I won't
Speaker 1: take I won't take verbal abuse. But then we still
Speaker 1: we Like then I still went to Barracuda to meet him,
Speaker 1: and then he like sat in front of the stage
Speaker 1: to judge the lip sinking or drag or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and I like sat behind him. It was so strange,
Speaker 1: and he didn't speak to me the whole time. I
Speaker 1: was so it was right. That sounds like he was
Speaker 1: either going through a tough moment or it is fully crazy.
Speaker 1: I think I was going through a tough moment. It
Speaker 1: was dark. It was dark. Wait, what's the name of
Speaker 1: the guy who has like a huge ass and a
Speaker 1: huge dick? Every single person I would know him. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't know him. You wouldn't know him anyway. I feel
Speaker 1: like his name is like Hector or something. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: anyway we we He like hit me up on grinder
Speaker 1: one time. He was like, come to my hotel him
Speaker 1: and I've literally I chickened out just because I knew
Speaker 1: the sexual experience would be harrowing. Harrowing. You didn't do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it. I love talking about art with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I love talking about art with speaking of art, let's
Speaker 1: move on to I don't think so. This is our Wow,
Speaker 1: it's our classic segment that we have on the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's really I mean it's a classic. Are you going
Speaker 1: to be in l A and in early December? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in l A for two weeks in December and
Speaker 1: then I go to the UK if it's well, I
Speaker 1: really want you. Joel and I are going to be
Speaker 1: doing I Don't Think So Honey Live out there, and
Speaker 1: I want you to be on it where you working.
Speaker 1: He's working, so Joel Kim Booster is gonna host me.
Speaker 1: I guess this is a good time to tell you guys,
Speaker 1: get your tickets to I Don't Think So Honey Live
Speaker 1: at the Bettlehouse on November as well as I Don't
Speaker 1: Think So Honey Live on December fifth of the region
Speaker 1: and downtown Los Angeles. And we're also going to be
Speaker 1: doing Um Queers Live at Joe's Pub November. You'll be
Speaker 1: here at Joe's Pub Monday night. We're gonna be recreating
Speaker 1: a diva's live, but it's not gonna be like we're
Speaker 1: gonna do their songs. We're gonna do our own songs.
Speaker 1: That has me bone Yang Joel can no, Joel's not
Speaker 1: doing it, Josh, Aaron Cole, Larry Peter, a Line, We're
Speaker 1: gonna be having a fun time and more to be
Speaker 1: announced and presenters as well, presenters as well, non musical
Speaker 1: presenter just like Jennifer and just presented presenting you guys
Speaker 1: like you come out into a little bit present us.
Speaker 1: I like, it's so self indulgent, and it will be
Speaker 1: to a charity that we have yet to be decided
Speaker 1: that we have yet is the epitome of self indulgent.
Speaker 1: It's truly a question. Feature on Instagram. I like, but um, so,
Speaker 1: I guess it's time for I think so mony, I
Speaker 1: do have one. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many's time starts now. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: This Bohemian Rhapsody movie, I have not seen it. I
Speaker 1: have seen some of the reviews. Apparently it's terrible. I
Speaker 1: could have told you that from the fucking god awful trailer.
Speaker 1: I do not think so honey. This Brian Singer garbage
Speaker 1: bullshit because I'm sorry, but why did we give him
Speaker 1: this movie? Why if you? And also I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, all these awards people being like it could
Speaker 1: give you know I'm in for an Oscar. No it's not.
Speaker 1: Here's a reason directed by Brian Singer. No thank you. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Again, not that this really
Speaker 1: matters at this point, because it's just gonna keep happening.
Speaker 1: But Robby Malick is playing Freddie Mercury, a famously queer person,
Speaker 1: like we couldn't find any queer actor to do this.
Speaker 1: Not that I super really care about this, because I
Speaker 1: do always think an actor acts, but the thing is, like, guys,
Speaker 1: it's Freddie Mercury. Fu. I have to also say, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. The c g I and the
Speaker 1: trailer that pans out to the crowd, which it sounds
Speaker 1: like it looks like a million people just copy and pasted,
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna have a crowd shot, get a
Speaker 1: crowd or just cut the crowd shot. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This movie it looks bad. It probably is bad. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to see able him around, Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I'm not not no thank you, I'm just a note
Speaker 1: thank you all around. Because it's like and also I
Speaker 1: didn't even mention this, and this is actually was my
Speaker 1: biggest problem with it. But the trailer tries to insinuate
Speaker 1: that there's going to be like a heterosexual romance in
Speaker 1: the movie, which is like really inappropriate. It also like
Speaker 1: I felt like that they have him wearing like fake
Speaker 1: bad teeth. Yeah, and it's they're almost comically it's such
Speaker 1: a strange detail to like really like dry even worse
Speaker 1: than nose in the hours. Yeah, it's it's weird because
Speaker 1: it's like we didn't know what Virginia Wolfs nose looked like,
Speaker 1: so we don't need this. And also, like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna fucking highlight something about Freddie Mercury, maybe the fact
Speaker 1: that he was queer, I don't know, maybe not his teeth.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fact that he was queer makes him more dynamic.
Speaker 1: Did you see the little clip of him in an
Speaker 1: area where someone I think it was someone him into
Speaker 1: um the the the grungeery magazine, um Uh asked him
Speaker 1: would you call a simple question like not even would
Speaker 1: you Ray or Roy? Would you call Freddie Mercury a
Speaker 1: gay icon? Would you consider him to be a gay icony,
Speaker 1: a gay figure? And then Ramy just tried to dance
Speaker 1: around it and said, you know, I wouldn't qualify him
Speaker 1: as anything, and I'm sorry, but you're playing Freddie Mercury.
Speaker 1: That means you've stepped into the gay space regardless of
Speaker 1: what you think totally, And it's yeah, it's like, what
Speaker 1: I mean, are you doing some risk assessment here with
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, I can't say, calling a gay icon.
Speaker 1: Otherwise people think I'm gay? Who is? And we joke
Speaker 1: about that a lot on the show, But that's eraser.
Speaker 1: That really is a raiser. And you can't deny what
Speaker 1: brought Freddie Mercury into this world his talent like and
Speaker 1: and also what took him out of this world? And
Speaker 1: it's bow yanks. I don't think so any time. Um
Speaker 1: wait a minute, and as time starts, now think so, honey,
Speaker 1: this banger less era we're in with our pop stars
Speaker 1: who all just want to deliver you a vibe and
Speaker 1: not actual hooks bitch speak. I love the New Robin,
Speaker 1: It's amazing. But also like this conscious direction that all
Speaker 1: of all of our pop songstresses are going in where
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, we're giving you We're giving you a mood,
Speaker 1: we're giving you a vibe. It's not gonna be anything memorable.
Speaker 1: You can't really bop to it. We're not going to
Speaker 1: give you bops is truly crazy, Like it decentralizes this
Speaker 1: whole thing in music where it's like okay, now, now, now,
Speaker 1: now we have to rely on these like we have
Speaker 1: to discover a bop through a kimpetress, like we have
Speaker 1: to like search for that through other people. Like that
Speaker 1: is more work on our part and like we don't
Speaker 1: have I don't have the emotional labor to do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And also this is not
Speaker 1: to like dictate theirs in any way, and like their
Speaker 1: artistic vision is their vision. But I want, like god,
Speaker 1: I want like a solid like teenage dream type album,
Speaker 1: like dangerous Woman album where it's like we haven't had
Speaker 1: that in a long time, and who will deliver us
Speaker 1: back into that zone and just that space I'm so
Speaker 1: curious to see. And that's that's one man, and that's
Speaker 1: one minute. I have to say. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all deciding at the same time to do this
Speaker 1: sort of like banger lists, like sparse, minimalist thing where
Speaker 1: the funk is the hook. Did you like the Kim
Speaker 1: Petris Halloween album? We loved it and wen Kim Petris
Speaker 1: popping so much right now because she's the only ones
Speaker 1: making efforts to give you hooks. Yes, I'm very I'm
Speaker 1: I did. I had not. I was not aware of
Speaker 1: Kim Petri's until everybody was posting that album, but then
Speaker 1: when I heard she did a duet with Elvira. I
Speaker 1: was very sold and I was I'm very into that album.
Speaker 1: I got my sister and her friends into Kim Petri's.
Speaker 1: I was I just like, did this experiment, Like it
Speaker 1: was like two months ago, was like the late summer,
Speaker 1: and like I was put them and I was. We
Speaker 1: were driving out too. We were going to go to
Speaker 1: the Montop Lighthouse and I was like, you know, the
Speaker 1: fire own lighthouse. And we were driving and I was like,
Speaker 1: a lot of life has something, such a real culture
Speaker 1: number forty, A lot of life has on island, and um,
Speaker 1: we were driving out there and I was like, let
Speaker 1: me just slide on Heart to Break and I put
Speaker 1: it on and they kind of like eight out of
Speaker 1: ten responded. Then I put on I don't want it
Speaker 1: at all. They were like, what is this? And now
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with her amazing, But she's the old She's
Speaker 1: she's in a very um sparse field. And that's why
Speaker 1: power position position, power position, um god blast um. Okay.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Seuth, Jeffrey Sells, I don't think so, honey, and
Speaker 1: his time starts now, Okay, I don't think so honey. Snakes.
Speaker 1: I am so against snakes. I hate fucking hate snakes.
Speaker 1: I think that like if if, like you could like
Speaker 1: push like a button or do something the chemical in
Speaker 1: the air that killed all snakes before. I hate people
Speaker 1: who have pets pet snakes. I guess they're disgusting, they're weirdos.
Speaker 1: I don't trust to their people. But what really I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, More than any thing else is
Speaker 1: those fucking people who stand on the street with a
Speaker 1: giant snake with like a twinkle in their eye and
Speaker 1: you can pay them to take pictures with like we're
Speaker 1: holding the snake. I don't think so the snake doesn't
Speaker 1: want it. I don't want it the people passing, but
Speaker 1: I don't want it that you are a selfish creep.
Speaker 1: I saw this happen in Times Square the other day.
Speaker 1: It was cold. I thought, I don't think no, thank
Speaker 1: you snakes, and that that was really good. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think, so honey, snakes. I fucking
Speaker 1: hate them. And it's just like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the one animal that I truly think, you know, why
Speaker 1: are you here? There are no I don't Anybody who's
Speaker 1: coming to defend a snake is not someone I want
Speaker 1: to have in my space them. We don't need them.
Speaker 1: We do not need them. If someone must do something,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something if if you you know, snakes
Speaker 1: means more rodents, If I I honestly fine, okay, but
Speaker 1: then okay, and then you're you're a fan of snakes
Speaker 1: on this whole trend now thanks to Taylor is the
Speaker 1: snakes on jewelry thing. I mean I don't care about that,
Speaker 1: but like, for example, I was like out of friends
Speaker 1: the other day and like they like they had a
Speaker 1: snake casually brought out a snake no, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this isn't okay? And I made him put
Speaker 1: it away. Are they in the industry, Yeah, that's not acceptable.
Speaker 1: If you're in the industry and you have a snake
Speaker 1: and then something you're hiding something. It's just it represents something,
Speaker 1: you know, the way that you can like when you
Speaker 1: meet someone who has a pet bird, like you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know everything I need to know about it. No,
Speaker 1: thank you, But like a pet bird at least is
Speaker 1: like pretty and everybody's like, oh that's nice. But like
Speaker 1: wants that zoos need to get rid of their snakes.
Speaker 1: You never know when you're gonna turn a corner and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be one. When we were in on acid
Speaker 1: at the San Diego Zoo, you know, we're looking at
Speaker 1: the some sort of thing that's swimming in the water
Speaker 1: and it was a crocodile outgate or some ship. And
Speaker 1: then you turn and then in this aquarium was this
Speaker 1: just giant, hideous garbage pile of a snake. And the
Speaker 1: way they reflect lights and they're just they pointless, They
Speaker 1: offer absolutely nothing. The way they metabolize the things that
Speaker 1: they eat is absolutely frightening. And if you ever gotten
Speaker 1: eaten by a snake, I'm so sorry. You know that
Speaker 1: thing where like the hot fucking I couldn't stop looking
Speaker 1: at it. That that article about the guy who like
Speaker 1: fell asleep on the street in India and like was
Speaker 1: swallowed whole by like a cobra and like he was
Speaker 1: killed obviously, just no, So we're so sorry for that. Also,
Speaker 1: bolt constrictors and literally constrict you until you suffocate and
Speaker 1: then they break your bones. I don't think disgusting, thank you,
Speaker 1: So fuck snake. Any animal that has an instinct to
Speaker 1: kill you painfully, I don't think so. Yeah, But again,
Speaker 1: like I don't mind an alligator crocodile, I do mind,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to hang out with one,
Speaker 1: or I would never no, God no, like I had
Speaker 1: a dinner party of twelve. No, there would not be
Speaker 1: on that list. But I do not think they I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not like, let's get rid of all the crocodiles, alligators,
Speaker 1: but snakes, I genuinely am let's start a movement, let's
Speaker 1: get rid of them. Really so they're on the top
Speaker 1: of your list. And if you could get rid of
Speaker 1: every shark in the world, you'd be like, No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean you don't. Again, I don't like sharks, but
Speaker 1: like I like like reading about sharks, and not all
Speaker 1: sharks are harmful sharks, sharks get a bad rap. They're
Speaker 1: at least interesting, as I think snakes are probably stupid.
Speaker 1: You know, sharks are really smart. Snakes there's there's there's
Speaker 1: really nothing redeemable. Not maybe more rodents. I get your
Speaker 1: what you're saying, there would be more rodents. But I
Speaker 1: would rather be like in a bathtub of mice than
Speaker 1: like have to like look at a snake on because
Speaker 1: at least mice are also mammals and therefore you can
Speaker 1: get on their level. Yes, get on their level. That's
Speaker 1: huge for any animal, you have to get on their level. Culture,
Speaker 1: for any animal, you have to get on their level. Um,
Speaker 1: that was a very that was that was That was
Speaker 1: a c felt like a classic clean I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It was really good and I've never thought about It's
Speaker 1: one of those I don't think so honeys where it's
Speaker 1: like you haven't thought about it, but you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've known this all my life. I've known
Speaker 1: since I was little. I don't think so honey, snakes, No,
Speaker 1: get them out of here, and we're I think we
Speaker 1: are entering a time of snake shaming. If you have
Speaker 1: a snake, who are you be? Evaluate honestly reevaluated because
Speaker 1: of Taylor, she is making the snakes popular. Well, then
Speaker 1: this week everybody was like, because Brittany years whatever, they
Speaker 1: were showing the I don't know what spirit was being
Speaker 1: talked about this week, and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're literally bombs going off being said, but she they were.
Speaker 1: Then they were talking about that that snake and there
Speaker 1: were pictures of that snake. Again, for some reason, that
Speaker 1: snake doesn't bother me as much because the color is
Speaker 1: kind of pretty, but it doesn't look like it's like
Speaker 1: the color makes it look not like snakes. But no,
Speaker 1: I still think that snakes should be killed, but I
Speaker 1: just that one doesn't piss me off as much. But
Speaker 1: I just I don't want like I hate when I'm
Speaker 1: scrolling through my feet eat and there's a snake just
Speaker 1: of any kind? How long does snakes live? Too long?
Speaker 1: I feel like they probably. I'm wondering if that Britney
Speaker 1: spears obviously for you snake snake is still alive. You're
Speaker 1: looking it up. I'm looking at up right now. But
Speaker 1: then there's gonna be a picture of a snake on
Speaker 1: your phone and you're gonna have that. Okay. He doesn't
Speaker 1: feel as bothered by snakes as you do, so I
Speaker 1: think he'll be okay. How long do they live? Uh,
Speaker 1: BoA's usually live for twenty five shows fifty years, get
Speaker 1: a live. Many holly breads have a life spin off
Speaker 1: between fifteen and twenty five years, and smaller species live
Speaker 1: for five to ten. So the slave for you era
Speaker 1: was two thousand, three thousand four, So I guess we
Speaker 1: can sit two do one? Are we sure? Because ninety
Speaker 1: nine was was? I want to say, so we can
Speaker 1: safely assume that the snake maybe alive. It depends on
Speaker 1: how old it was that a Boa constrictor. I think
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been safe python a python, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been safe on her, like go away, no,
Speaker 1: don't bring that into a building. There was an interview
Speaker 1: with her and they were like, would you ever do
Speaker 1: that again? She was like, oh my god, no. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was like it was really bad when I did it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't bad too. There's no no reason. There's
Speaker 1: no reason we had. I had like a little kid's
Speaker 1: birthday party, and like they brought out a snake one time,
Speaker 1: and it was like, why didn't you have a little
Speaker 1: kid's birthday party? It was like when I was a
Speaker 1: little kid, Oh, I think that you were hosting a
Speaker 1: children's birthday party. I was like, come on, kids, I'm
Speaker 1: having a birthday party for you. Don't admit that on air. Yes, no,
Speaker 1: But when I was little someone one of my friends
Speaker 1: had a birthday party and we couldn't get pictures taken
Speaker 1: with like the big yellow snakes. Was like sitting on
Speaker 1: our shoulders. That's discussing and I think it's wrong too.
Speaker 1: For to the snake. I mean, I hate snakes, but
Speaker 1: I still think they should be forced to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they should be alive with their dignity or
Speaker 1: murder with their Just put them all on an island.
Speaker 1: Like literally, Australia is like a Jurassic Park. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was thinking. Oh, Australia is actually
Speaker 1: perfect for snakes. Well there's still uns of them there,
Speaker 1: but because there's tons of the kangaroo populations get out
Speaker 1: of control unfortunately, maybe the snakes can bite the kangaroos
Speaker 1: rather more kangaroos than more snakes. But apparently kangaroos are
Speaker 1: like not so nice, their nightmare and they're they're basically
Speaker 1: Australian people consider them to be like rodents. Yeah, either
Speaker 1: like the deers when you go to Long when you
Speaker 1: go to Fire Island and there's like so many fucking deer.
Speaker 1: But but they like literally they can punch you. They're
Speaker 1: like really aggressive, whereas a deer it just run away
Speaker 1: from you. Oh my god. I just remember that a
Speaker 1: kangaroo is a marsupial and therefore it's not a mammal
Speaker 1: and you can't get on its level it's so important.
Speaker 1: I had a kangaroo as a publicist for a couple
Speaker 1: of years and she just she didn't understand. Just no,
Speaker 1: she just we could never communicate. She didn't get it.
Speaker 1: She didn't quote unquote get it. That kangaroo did not
Speaker 1: get ahead of the chapter in the book. She did not.
Speaker 1: She did not. Before we spin off into a whole
Speaker 1: other podcast about marsupials and reptiles and the animal kingdom,
Speaker 1: we should probably wrap up. We should wrap up a
Speaker 1: talk talking about these animals. Really, it makes me want
Speaker 1: to trip on acid someday. With Jeffrey out of zoo,
Speaker 1: I was like, I would love to literally the two
Speaker 1: of us should fly out there and you can recreate.
Speaker 1: But t is very good. Un't go anywhere else, but
Speaker 1: there's going to an aquarium. Although see, animals scare me
Speaker 1: more surely, yes, because they're unpredictable, the way they move,
Speaker 1: the way they move. Jeffrey, we love you so much.
Speaker 1: I love you so much, Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me. I just I'm such a fan. We've been
Speaker 1: trying to get you at well because you're here and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, you know what I was going to
Speaker 1: try to do the live one in l A. But
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. I was hopefully December. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: make that happen. Let's make it happen. Um, we love
Speaker 1: you so much, Jeffrey, Thank you so much. Please check
Speaker 1: Jeffrey out on on every great gay show, Truly Difficult People,
Speaker 1: thirty Rock, Search, Party that You're Out, classically a gay show,
Speaker 1: classically a GI I mean actually yes, there's there's there's
Speaker 1: a queer aspect to it. Yeah, some good gig characters.
Speaker 1: I love that. Um uh well, and we have to
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