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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and taxpayers will pay for half of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's six hundred million dollar ballroom. I am shocked.

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Speaker 1: I tell you we have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today. Notice his own evan mic Morris Santorro stops

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Speaker 1: by to talk about Trump's half cooked deal with Iran.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to former California goubernatorial candidate Tom Steyer

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Speaker 1: about the strange things he saw on the trail. But

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Speaker 1: first the news Smilly.

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Speaker 2: There is boosters of the war, and then there is

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Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham, who may be its greatest cheerleader. And then

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Speaker 2: there is jd Vance, who just loves to say everything

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Speaker 2: mister Trump does is great. Somehow they both can't find

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Speaker 2: nice things to say about this Aroun deal.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Donald Trump said that the whole reason

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Speaker 1: he was going bombing the Iranians was because they couldn't

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Speaker 1: have a nuke. There was a piece of the Time

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Speaker 1: a pretty intense thing to say. And this is a

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Speaker 1: New York Post owned by Ruber Murdoch. And basically the

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Speaker 1: net net is nobody knows what's in it, but we

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Speaker 1: know a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of it's bad.

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Speaker 1: I wrote a book like that one. So the So

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Speaker 1: basically what we have right now is that the Straits. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the best moment was Trump was like, the

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Speaker 1: Straits will reopen as of now. It was one tweet

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Speaker 1: the Friday, So the Straits will reopen. That is part

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Speaker 1: of it, which is great. You know what was open

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Speaker 1: before the Trump started bombing or on the straight up hermos.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so the.

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Speaker 1: Strait will now be opened, thus accomplishing what Trump had

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Speaker 1: messed up. You know again, Trump spends so much time

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Speaker 3: It's that meme, right, exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's the meme.

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Speaker 1: He creates a problem, he solves a problem, he creates

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Speaker 2: He tells his supporters that the problem is solved.

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Speaker 3: He repeats it again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible stuff. So Lindsey Graham is not happy

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Speaker 1: by the way. Lindsy Gram and also Benjamin Netyahoo and

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Speaker 1: send ground troops in and level Iran. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important here just to put back for a moment and

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Speaker 1: realize that Rock, which was decades long quagmire that resulted

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Speaker 1: We don't have the army for this, and nor do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great stuff. So we saw Elon Musk become our

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Speaker 4: Now, I think it was more important to reduce the

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Speaker 1: So you weren't able to reduce the deficit, and you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, real great stuff. So now we get to what

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Speaker 2: So we continue this saga that we've been discussing where

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Evan mcmorros san Toro is a reporter and notice welcome, Welcome, Evan,

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Speaker 1: Hi Molly, how are you, it's victory day for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: And depending on who you talk to that's the Iranian's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were so many different goals thrown on the

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Speaker 1: was for the people. But let's talk for a minute

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Speaker 1: about what it looks like. Why do you think Trump

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Speaker 1: did that?

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Speaker 6: You know, my colleagues who had spoke to speak to

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Speaker 6: his people, you know, this is exactly the kind of

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Speaker 6: thing that they thought would be the reason why they

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Speaker 6: would be steamrolling towards a historic upset victory in the midterms.

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Speaker 3: This is a This is a group of people who.

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Speaker 5: Think that they had captured a kind of voter that

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Speaker 5: has felt completely removed from politics, right that like like

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Speaker 5: the men who like MMA, right that you're Joe Wagan

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Speaker 5: is MMA guy. You know this, Dana White, all these people,

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Speaker 5: these are supposed to be the guys who have been

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Speaker 5: completely ignored and forgotten. And this is sort of a

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Speaker 5: moment of saying no, this, this is the triumph of

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Speaker 5: you know of you all, This is this is how

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Speaker 5: serious we.

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Speaker 3: Are about you, is how close we are to you.

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Speaker 5: The problem is that the polls have not shown that

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Speaker 5: people are all that excited about having this, this cage match,

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Speaker 5: and it has not indicated that these that these folks

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Speaker 5: are sticking with Trump the way that they had.

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Speaker 3: When they voted for him in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: But this was supposed to be. This is supposed to

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Speaker 5: be that political turn moment. You saw some folks, right,

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Speaker 5: you saw some there's some of that old rhetoric was around.

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Speaker 5: Somebody mentioned to me that, you know, Jack Persobiac, because

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Speaker 5: you know, one of the MAGA.

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Speaker 3: People, Pizza Jack.

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Speaker 5: He referred to this moment as you know, he looked

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Speaker 5: at this cage match and you know, all the sort

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Speaker 5: of pomp and circumstances around it, and he said, look, look,

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Speaker 5: you know, liberalism is over, Like these people are never

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Speaker 5: coming back.

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Speaker 3: Liberals are never coming back, Like look at this thing

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Speaker 3: that we've done.

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Speaker 5: And you know people were around, you know, were around

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Speaker 5: in June twenty twenty five. They remember how democrats felt

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Speaker 5: back then, They remember how liberals felt back then, and

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Speaker 5: back then in that cage match is happening. Back then,

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Speaker 5: I think there have been a lot of democrats and

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Speaker 5: Liberalschue might have said, maybe they're right, this might be true,

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Speaker 5: But this time it feels kind of like, maybe not

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Speaker 5: the best move we making this moment. I mean, you

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Speaker 5: mentioned this whole thing about gas prices. We had that

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Speaker 5: great Job's Report number, which is, you know, a good

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Speaker 5: number for any white house to get. But you know,

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Speaker 5: buried in that was that wages increased by a certain amount,

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Speaker 5: and inflation is just like slightly higher than that amount,

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Speaker 5: which means that in reality, real wages are you know,

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Speaker 5: flat or going down.

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Speaker 3: So you have these are the things that are really

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Speaker 3: occupying people.

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Speaker 5: They're no longer kind of like, at least according to

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Speaker 5: the polls that I see as fired up about, like

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Speaker 5: we're gonna get.

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Speaker 3: UFC back on television.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna make sure you can make you can say

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Speaker 5: those jokes and those words you that you couldn't say anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's what this is about. People are now.

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Speaker 5: Sort of leaning back on the I thought, you're supposed

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Speaker 5: to be this great deal maker, You're supposed to like

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Speaker 5: make things cheaper for me, and sort of like upset

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Speaker 5: the political you know, the political status quo, and you know,

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Speaker 5: a highly sponsored event with where many of the sponsors were.

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Speaker 3: Like Trump's own stuff.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that that looked like such a swamp

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Speaker 5: draining moment to me anyway.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 5: What that means for other people, but I don't think

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Speaker 5: it carries the same weight that it used to carry.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. And I also think, I mean, it definitely

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Speaker 1: seems like he's trying to do the thing like where

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Speaker 1: he worked in McDonald's, where he does the thing to

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Speaker 1: reach out to his people. And Joe Rogan did em

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Speaker 1: see it, and Joe Rogan really did hold the key

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Speaker 1: to Trump's twenty twenty four election, right, yeah, I mean, and.

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Speaker 5: Look, and let's be termed perfectly honest, if this is

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Speaker 5: such an important cohort to the election, it's not like

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Speaker 5: you can imagine the Democrat who would be standing in

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Speaker 5: the middle of that cage introducing that fight. Democrats still

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Speaker 5: do not have much entree into that crowd, right, I mean, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, there's a lot of them talking about it now.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of new ways to tweet and we're

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Speaker 5: using you know, we're throwing the F word around, and

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Speaker 5: we're you know, I don't know, we're like shotgunning beers

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Speaker 5: whatever they're doing online all the time.

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Speaker 3: But this is not a mountain. If it's such an.

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Speaker 5: Important political mountain, the Democrats have climbed, the question is

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Speaker 5: how it looks less and less deep mountain, less less

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Speaker 5: important a mountain.

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Speaker 7: The farther away we get from twenty twenty four, these

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Speaker 7: guys Joe Rogan has expressed a lot of skepticism about

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Speaker 7: the war in Iran, for example, and Trump's immigration policies

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Speaker 7: and a lot of other things.

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Speaker 5: That this is a guy who, if you want to

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Speaker 5: consider him attuned and plugged into his audience, his audience

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Speaker 5: is not really interested in a lot of raw row Trump.

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Speaker 3: At the moment.

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Speaker 5: And that's a big problem for Trump in so far

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Speaker 5: as they don't want to be Democrats. That's a big

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Speaker 5: problem for Democrats, and we've done some reporting on that,

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Speaker 5: you know, recently that was quite fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Not to be in a total tangent.

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Speaker 5: Here, but we had a great quory about voter registration

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Speaker 5: numbers in swing districts and battleground districts across the country,

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Speaker 5: and Democrats used to be head by seven hundred seven

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Speaker 5: hundred thousand votes in those places, and now registration numbers

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Speaker 5: show there behind by like four thousand. Their brand is

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Speaker 5: really bad. They have lost that people don't want to

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Speaker 5: register with Democrats. They've lost a ton of people. But

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Speaker 5: the question is in a world in which that cage

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Speaker 5: match would have been taking advantage, you know, kind of

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Speaker 5: like stomping on the Democrats while they're down, you know,

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Speaker 5: and then they move, I guess, punching them while they're

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Speaker 5: on the ground, let's use what they do in that sport.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't seem as potent now because Trump himself is

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Speaker 5: also on the ground. So it's interesting thing to bring

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Speaker 5: up because it was supposed to be such a kind

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Speaker 5: of capstone on this takeover.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now appears very tenuous.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 5: people think that Democrats have a good shot at the

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Speaker 5: house cage or not, you know, and that is like

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Speaker 5: not something that I think that the Republicans and that

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Speaker 5: Trump's team thought was true when they were putting together

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Speaker 5: the idea of this cage match Evan cage or now.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm always happy to get any sort of octagon,

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Speaker 5: any kind of.

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Speaker 3: Polly with you.

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Speaker 1: Law. Evan wanted claw.

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Speaker 3: They don't fight an octagon.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the claw claw. Tom Styer is the

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Speaker 1: founder of Pharallan Capital and a former candidate for governor

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Speaker 1: in the state of California. Welcome, Welcome, Tom Steyer.

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Speaker 4: Molly, It's great to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm really happy to get to talk to you, to

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Speaker 1: get to have like a real thought about that governor's race.

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think this was a pretty straightforward thing where

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Speaker 4: every time I was pushing for an idea, and as

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Speaker 4: you said, I had a bunch of ideas, there was

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Speaker 4: like an immediate response. So we were talking about how

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Speaker 4: do we break the electric monopolies. Californias paid twice as

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Speaker 4: much for electricity as everybody else in the United States

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Speaker 4: of America. How do we change that? And there are ways,

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Speaker 4: very straightforward ways to change that. And as a result,

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Speaker 4: the electric monopolies spent tens of millions of dollars to

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Speaker 4: talk about anything but to try and stop me.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that every time you came up with

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Speaker 1: an idea, you saw these electricity companies donate to bisera sure.

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Speaker 4: But it was also when I said single payer, well,

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Speaker 4: the nurses were behind me because I was so strongly

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Speaker 4: for single payer, but the health insurance companies immediately came

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Speaker 4: out against me and spent money to stop me. And

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Speaker 4: you know when I talked about polluter pays, right, Devron,

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Speaker 4: the other oil companies came out to say, we need

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Speaker 4: to spend money. And let me say this, one of

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Speaker 4: the really interesting things about this is they never talked

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Speaker 4: about the issues. They always make ad hominum arguments. So

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Speaker 4: they always said, not he's wrong about single payer, because

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Speaker 4: I'm not wrong. They never said he's wrong about, you know,

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Speaker 4: breaking the power of the electric monopolies because I'm not wrong.

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Speaker 4: They never said polluters don't have to pay Tom, that's

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Speaker 4: we have a right not to pay. No, they all

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Speaker 4: said they said something like this is just a bad guy, right.

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Speaker 4: They never talk for them, it's all about the policy

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Speaker 4: and the implication of policy for their profits. But they

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Speaker 4: never breathe a word about that. They try and make

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Speaker 4: it about the person to try and discredit the person

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Speaker 4: because they know they're wrong, so they have to make

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Speaker 4: up something about why I'm a bad guy. And so

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Speaker 4: that's what they did.

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Speaker 1: So you saw ads that basically attacked your character and

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Speaker 1: not your ideas.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me say this, I never watch their ads,

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Speaker 4: right because I don't want somebody who I've never met

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Speaker 4: to tell me who I am. I think I might

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Speaker 4: have a better idea of who I am than they do,

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Speaker 4: and I don't want them. But that's what they did

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Speaker 4: very consistently. They wanted to say, you know, this is

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Speaker 4: some rich, hypocritical guy. And let me say this, I

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Speaker 4: shouldn't have to be a billionaire to push for single pair.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't have to be a billionaire to take on

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Speaker 4: the electric monopolies. I shouldn't have to be a billionaire

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Speaker 4: to take on the oil and gas companies. But if

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Speaker 4: you look at the other people who are progressives in

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Speaker 4: this race, they got one percent of the votes, right

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Speaker 4: for sure, if you're going to take on these big

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Speaker 4: companies and they're going to spend tens of millions of

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Speaker 4: dollars against you. You have to be able to make.

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Speaker 1: Your case, and you came really close.

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Speaker 4: I did. But you know, to me, the real question

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Speaker 4: here is this race is absolutely reflective of what's going

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Speaker 4: on in American politics. In this case it was Democrats.

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Speaker 4: In this case it was Democrats, but usually it's Republicans

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Speaker 4: basically swift voting John Kerry or you know, going after

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Speaker 4: tall Ico's person. They don't say he's not right about

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Speaker 4: his policies. They say he's a bad guy, right, and that's.

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Speaker 3: What he's not.

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Speaker 1: A manly man, so a barber boxer. When I was

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Speaker 1: interviewing her on an MS show, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that Tom Starr is really smart and has

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Speaker 1: a lot of plans, because I had talked to you

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Speaker 1: about them and I thought they were really smart. And

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Speaker 1: I said, and Javier Bizara has gotten a lot of

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Speaker 1: money from Exxon or Chevron, from gas oil and gas companies.

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Speaker 1: And she said to me, well, Tom Star made money

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Speaker 1: on oil and gas company is when he ran a

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Speaker 1: hedge fund, which again a hedge fund is an index

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Speaker 1: of funds. And probably you probably were invested in a

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Speaker 1: lot of different sectors. That was sort of what I

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Speaker 1: got there.

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Speaker 4: Look, we invested in everything. I divested from oil and

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Speaker 4: gas before the Sierra Club, before the Natural Resources Defense Counsel, like,

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Speaker 4: it became clear to me, Oh, I shouldn't be doing

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Speaker 4: any of this, and I stopped a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: And they went before that and said, oh, in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and four, you did X Y Z. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and we owned thousands of things and you found two

658
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Speaker 4: of them and said that's what I did. I did

659
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Speaker 4: do them. I also did five thousand other things that

660
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Speaker 4: you're not talking about. And the implication was that was

661
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Speaker 4: all I did. That's not true. You know, we did

662
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Speaker 4: invest in fossil fuels and we invested less than their

663
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Speaker 4: percentage in the economy by a lot, but of course

664
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Speaker 4: we did it. And then at some point I just

665
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Speaker 4: said no, no more, I'm out. And so yeah, that

666
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Speaker 4: was the point they would they want to say, oh,

667
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Speaker 4: he's no different, that's blooney. And the way you know

668
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Speaker 4: it's blowney is every environmentalist in the state of California

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Speaker 4: endorse me, and every environmentalist in the United States of

670
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Speaker 4: America endorsed me. So did they miss something. Did they

671
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Speaker 4: somehow No, I've been doing this for fifteen or twenty

672
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Speaker 4: years full, you know, very seriously. So I looked at

673
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: that and I was like, that's my point. They're trying

674
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Speaker 4: to say, Oh, he's really just an oil and gas guy,

675
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: he's a hypocrite. That's not true. I came to a

676
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Speaker 4: decision before almost everybody, but not everybody. They're people smarter

677
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: than me, and I wish I'd been smarter. But the

678
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: truth is I did it long ago, and they're trying

679
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Speaker 4: to say that they're trying to make an ad homin

680
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Speaker 4: a margement. Honestly, it's exactly what I just said. Did

681
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Speaker 4: they ever say I'm wrong about PGENI?

682
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Speaker 3: No?

683
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Speaker 4: Did they ever say I'm wrong about Chevron? No? Did

684
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Speaker 4: they ever say I'm wrong about single Pair? No? What

685
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: they said is, oh, long time ago he invested in

686
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: like uh health Insuran? Like really, that's so it's an

687
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Speaker 4: ad hominy. If they could have found something crummy about

688
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 4: me as a person, right they if they found I

689
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: was cruel to animals or had you know, spat in public,

690
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: they would have done that too, right, Like, what is

691
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Speaker 4: clear to.

692
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Speaker 1: Me is that corporations saw that you were coming for

693
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Speaker 1: them and decided to donate against that interest. And that's

694
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Speaker 1: what we see. We're seeing that with Crypto and a

695
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: big y, we're seeing that with AI. What do you think, like,

696
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: just give me a sense of what you think Democrats

697
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Speaker 1: can learn from it.

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Speaker 4: Well, democrats were doing this right, No, I know in

699
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Speaker 4: this case. I mean, my point is the last I checked,

700
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: Barbara Boxer is a Democrat. Yes, this is the system

701
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 4: protecting the system, and in California that system is democratic.

702
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: In the rest of the country, the corporate money always

703
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 4: supports Republicans. But it's the same concept of we need

704
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 4: to protect our monopolistic practices. We need to protect the

705
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: subsidies we get from the government. You know, if you're

706
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: not paying for your pollution, that's a gigantic subsidy. You know,

707
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: you have to ask yourself, why are we always fighting

708
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: wars in the Middle East that cost trillions of dollars?

709
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Speaker 4: That couldn't be about oiling gas, could it. So, of

710
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: course it is, and so to a large extent, the

711
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: question is how are we My whole campaign was really

712
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: about people. It was about how do we get the

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00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: people of California a fair break, Often in terms of costs,

714
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Speaker 4: so like electric costs, gasoline costs, housing costs, but also

715
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Speaker 4: how do we get them great schools, how do we

716
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Speaker 4: get them affordable healthcare? So a lot of it was

717
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: about money, but some of it was just about providing

718
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 4: really great services. And you know, there's real pushback from

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Speaker 4: you know, PGENI had record profits luster well, and.

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Speaker 1: It also strikes me that they don't want people who

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Speaker 1: don't need them. Right.

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Speaker 4: There are two things I'll say. One is I think

723
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Speaker 4: someone said this, and it's true. This is no longer

724
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: about left and right. This is about up and down down.

725
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the second thing I'd say is this is about age.

727
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you.

728
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Speaker 4: Look at the people who are the voice for change,

729
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: it's Aoc calar Ico, it's Graham Platner, it's Rocanna. You know,

730
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Speaker 4: it's a bunch, and I could keep going, but all

731
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: of those people are under fifty and a lot of

732
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Speaker 4: them are Underford.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the.

734
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Speaker 4: Point being they're saying we actually need to change things,

735
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: and the older people are saying no, no, no, no, no,

736
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Speaker 4: it's working really well. But it isn't working really well.

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Speaker 4: And that you know, two million people have left California

738
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Speaker 4: because it's not working really well. Yeah, and the question

739
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: is and they're like, so we need to do more

740
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: of the same. It's like more of the same is

741
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Speaker 4: not working, and what we're seeing is escalating issues.

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Speaker 1: And California is a state that is so blue that

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Speaker 1: there's not that the basically the Democrats are Republican. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's it's not the way.

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Speaker 4: There's no realistic Republican majority statewide in the state of California.

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Speaker 3: There is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now s Wilna is going to run and that

748
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: was what the Sarah.

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Speaker 4: Wanted and you know, yes, that is what the Democratic

750
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Speaker 4: establishment wanted. They want the system to stay in place,

751
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Speaker 4: and so you know, that's the way it goes. If

752
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: you look, that system is producing unaffordable housing, unaffordable healthcare,

753
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Speaker 4: thirty eighth in the country, schooling twice is expensive electric costs,

754
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Speaker 4: and the most expensive gas lane in the United States

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Speaker 4: except for Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm struck by is like

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Speaker 1: I think about a state like New Mexico, which is

758
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Speaker 1: such a poor state and they have just introduced free.

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Speaker 4: Childcare, which is done by taxing oil and gas because

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Speaker 4: it's a big fossil fuel state and putting it in

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Speaker 4: a sovereign wealth fund and having free childcare. I talked

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Speaker 4: a lot about taxing AI and taking the money and

763
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Speaker 4: putting it in a sovereign wealth fund to protect workers

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Speaker 4: first and foremost in terms of the impacts of AI,

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Speaker 4: but also beyond that, if that were true, then we'd

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Speaker 4: use it as the sort of long term buffer economic

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Speaker 4: buffer for the budgets of California.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think what New Mexico is doing makes total sense.

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Speaker 4: You know a lot of a lot of state to

771
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Speaker 4: do that in terms of the big industries in those states.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I was really disappointed with was

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Speaker 1: that Gavin didn't endorse. I was really surprised that if

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Speaker 1: he thinks he's going to be president, that he would

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Speaker 1: not endorse someone where the Biden administration notoriously a very

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Speaker 1: quiet administration. There were people from the Biden administration who

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Speaker 1: came out and said Besserah is not qualified for this job.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that Gavin wanted to end up at

779
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Speaker 4: odds with the next governor, So I think his goal

780
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Speaker 4: was I think had there been a realistic chance of

781
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Speaker 4: two Republicans, which there never ever was, that was such

782
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: a red herring, and so dumb. But if that had

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Speaker 4: been a realistic thing, then I think he would have

784
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Speaker 4: endorsed to make sure that a Democrat was on the ballot.

785
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Speaker 4: But I think his goal, I think he didn't want

786
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Speaker 4: to overtly favor anybody because he would you know, he

787
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Speaker 4: wants to have a governor of California, woo he gets

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Speaker 4: along with.

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Speaker 1: It is again the larger problem of a party that

790
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: wants to be nice and get along and not do

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Speaker 1: what is probably better for people.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say this very strongly. In California and

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: in the United States, it's very hard to know what

794
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party stands for. You know, it's kind of

795
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: they're very anti Trump, and they're anti a lot of

796
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 4: the things that Trump does. So you know, they're anti

797
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 4: these ice rates, which I completely agree with. You know,

798
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Speaker 4: they're anti the war in Iran, which I completely agree with.

799
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Speaker 4: There are a bunch of things there against. But the

800
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: question is, okay, what are you four like if this

801
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: isn't working for Americans, how are you going to change

802
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: things to make their lives better? And that's what I

803
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: was trying to talk about, because it's very doable. But

804
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: if you're going to do it, you know, the old

805
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 4: saying you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. Well,

806
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: it turns out you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.

807
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: So if you think you're going to change how without

808
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: somebody being disadvantaged, you're kidding yourself. If you think you're

809
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: going to be part of the electric revolution in the

810
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: world without making somebody upset, you're kidding yourself. If you

811
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 4: think we're going to move off oil and gas without

812
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: the oil and gas companies being annoyed or make them

813
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 4: pay for their pollution, of course they're going to be angry.

814
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: But if you're not willing to break eggs, then you

815
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: are not going to make an.

816
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Speaker 1: Online You spend a lot of money in this race,

817
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: but you ran a really like really cool like all

818
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: the stuff you ran on is the cool stuff that

819
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot of smart people who are progressive would like

820
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: to see. Do you think you like you have an

821
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: opportunity now to do something like what Bloomberg did with

822
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Speaker 1: Mom's demand? I mean, is it just too soon to know?

823
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Speaker 1: Or do you think you might parlight this into a

824
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Speaker 1: larger climate, which.

825
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Speaker 4: You've done before. Let me say this, You know what

826
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 4: I said in the race was exactly true. I said, look,

827
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Speaker 4: this is this race is not life. My life is

828
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 4: my life. These are the things I believe in. I'm

829
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 4: going to keep fighting these battles. The reason I ran

830
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: for governors I felt like, it's just amazing leverage to

831
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: change things for the good. It's amazing leverage to change

832
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: things for the good in the biggest in the most

833
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 4: populous state in the United States, in a place which

834
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 4: really matters. It's amazing leverage. But having said that, when

835
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: I think about this, it's like income inequality, huge, huge,

836
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: huge issue, absolutely connected with political corruption, huge huge, huge issue,

837
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: absolutely connected with the destruction of the natural world and

838
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 4: the disregard for working people. And you know, is any

839
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: one of those really separate from the others. Absolutely not.

840
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: And so figuring out how to address those intertwined issues,

841
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: I know I will. You know, That's what I'm going

842
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: to do, and I'm going to try and figure out

843
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: the way to do it in the way that has Look,

844
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: we need a positive vision in this country. This is

845
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: an awful lot of this is about not having a

846
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 4: positive vision of what America stands for that everybody buys

847
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: into an increase with and having a positive vision where

848
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 4: we say this is where we're going and these are

849
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 4: the things we need to do is more necessary than ever.

850
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Speaker 4: And that's what I was trying to do in this campaign,

851
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: and I think that's what these young people are trying

852
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: to do, is to say we don't have to do

853
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: it this way. You know, these are laws of men

854
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: and operations of men and women. This is not God

855
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 4: coming down and saying these are the ten commandments. Thou

856
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: shall not build houses at an affordable price.

857
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Speaker 3: That's not true.

858
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Speaker 4: So all of this is changeable, and that the question is, okay,

859
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Speaker 4: how do you get the coalition, how do you put

860
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: forward the ideas, and you know, figuring out who are

861
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Speaker 4: the people who you can work with and who you

862
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: can support. And I think that there's some you know,

863
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 4: terrific people out there pushing a lot of the same

864
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Speaker 4: things that I was pushing because they're common sense. That's

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Speaker 4: why they never ever, ever debated a single issue one time,

866
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: because they can't because they're in the position of I'm

867
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: for the status quo, because you know, we're not going

868
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Speaker 4: to change anything. Because these people are in control. They

869
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Speaker 4: want to stay in control.

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Speaker 1: Tom's Dyer, thank you, No, we will get this.

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Speaker 3: No moment. Jesse Canon MILEI Jong Fast.

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Speaker 2: So the New York Times has some very in depth

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Speaker 2: reporting about the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, I want

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Speaker 2: to believe, just like the X Files, but I'm still

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Speaker 2: just not fine.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to believe that's the truth.

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Speaker 2: No, I would love to feel that we live in

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Speaker 2: a world where there is not a vast conspiracy. I

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Speaker 2: don't like having to believe conspiracies, but it still feels

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Speaker 2: real weird to me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe that. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: killed himself. But the New York Times does this very

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Speaker 1: good reporting, and they're often right, so you should read it.

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Speaker 1: It almost doesn't matter at this point, Like there are

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Speaker 1: conspiracies that are worse, that are more important, like what

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Speaker 1: did Todd Blanche say to Glaine Maxwell and why did

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Speaker 1: he move her to a much more low security prison?

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Speaker 1: Like I would much rather know that than whether or

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Speaker 1: not Epstein killed himself, Like that seems like a much

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Speaker 1: more pertinent piece of information. And also I'd love to

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Speaker 1: know why none of the co conspirators have been charged,

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Speaker 1: where the interviews are with that, Like I would like

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Speaker 1: to be more focused on justice for the victims and

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Speaker 1: the survivors and less focused on what the you know,

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Speaker 1: what happened to Epstein? I certainly would like to know,

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Speaker 1: But I do think the Glaine Maxwell question of why

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Speaker 1: she was moved and what she agreed to and what

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Speaker 1: she talked to Todd Blanche about is really, really, really

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Speaker 1: important and I would like to know about that. That's

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