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Speaker 3: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're back at it. You're looking at me,

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Speaker 2: at your boy, the Brian Campbell BC. What half of

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Speaker 2: your Morning Combat duo. Happy holidays to all of you.

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Speaker 2: However you celebrated, We hope it was happy, healthy. As

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Speaker 2: The Great Luke Thomas under their weather right now, so

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Speaker 2: hopefully he'll be back next episode. We wish him well

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Speaker 2: Excited though, to be back for a new show, nearing

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's really sort of the main motivating factor for

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Speaker 5: it's these sort of things going up against another champion

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Speaker 2: Now, compromising positions based on different rule sets. Are we

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Speaker 5: Honestly, you may, because I have some vague memory that

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Speaker 5: Hey, you're just starting the show off with the thing

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Speaker 4: Great to see there.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the idea of everyone in their own league.

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Speaker 3: I hope this is the start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we've seen it a little bit in

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Speaker 2: But I do think what Josh Thompson, the spirit of

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Speaker 5: Look well, you know, I know that sort of records

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Speaker 5: It must be your worst living nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that stuff. Let's do it. Let's do it.

435
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Speaker 5: Okay, kleeber Koe, k ERPs is how I heard it.

436
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 5: I do not present myself as an expert on the matter.

437
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Speaker 2: All right, well we can tell you is this Japanese

438
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 2: fighter who was born in Brazil, has a Brazilian father.

439
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 2: He's got just one loss in the last six years

440
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Speaker 2: and it's to a guy we of course know too well,

441
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Speaker 2: and Matteias Gamrock, current UFC contender that was back in

442
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen under the KSW banner. He lost the decision.

443
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: He's won seven straight since them. And you know against

444
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 2: names that we sort of know Asakura Nishiora, Patricio Pitpole

445
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: is gonna come out guns blazing, and we know he's

446
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: got the guillotine in the back pocket when he needs it.

447
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: What are you looking for in this matchup for a

448
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: guy where you know a lot of us are just

449
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: getting to know in IRPs.

450
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot of the same as the McKie

451
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Speaker 5: Satoshi fight. And just a quick mention because I forgot

452
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Speaker 5: to Satoshi's got to win over Tofiq Masayaf, who is

453
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Speaker 5: like right up there for lightweight title challenges in Bellator,

454
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 5: so that dude is legit. Back to this fight, I

455
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 5: think it's bull Pitbull versus ERPs is McKee versus Setoci

456
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Speaker 5: in a lot of ways, except Pitbull is a way

457
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 5: more sound defensive fighter. There is so few that first

458
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Speaker 5: McKee fight aside he gives such few defense and said

459
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 5: gaps that a guy like ERPs, who again has to

460
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 5: be super aggressive with the wrestling, try and take you down.

461
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Speaker 3: He's got great back.

462
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 5: Takes, he's got great triangle chokes from the bottom, but

463
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Speaker 5: I don't know that he's going to be able to

464
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Speaker 5: get the fight there. Like again, I broke down the

465
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Speaker 5: records there, right, Patricio eleven KOs, twelve subs, eleven decisions,

466
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: ERPs twenty seven subs, two KOs and two decisions. So

467
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 5: IRPs has to do one thing and one thing really

468
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 5: well is get in there, take down Patricio and hunt

469
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Speaker 5: the back. The issue is, aside from some front kicks

470
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Speaker 5: that he likes to throw at range, he does not

471
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Speaker 5: have very good striking and you are going to be hard,

472
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Speaker 5: hard pressed, my friend, to force a gap or an

473
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Speaker 5: error or a mistake out of Patricio Pitbull. He is

474
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 5: the greatest belatoor fighter of all time. He is the

475
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Speaker 5: featherweight champion. He never lost that lightweight title. I think

476
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Speaker 5: Earps is in for a really rough night.

477
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Speaker 4: Be very interesting.

478
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Speaker 2: You caught up with Patricio Pitbull, who just I mean,

479
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Speaker 2: I could not say this more complimentary to both brothers.

480
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: Savage's shack just absolute braun violence. I mean, they're going

481
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: to show up to your party to steal your girl

482
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: and take the keg home with them. That's how they

483
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Speaker 2: get down. But you know, I want to hear from Patricio.

484
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Speaker 2: Can you set up our cliphershick?

485
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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, you know we teed it up a little

486
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Speaker 5: bit in advance. But I think something that the mental

487
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 5: part of the game is so important, right, and if

488
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 5: you're not motivated, you're going to flounder. And so what

489
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Speaker 5: I really wanted to know from Patricio is like, why

490
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Speaker 5: do you take a fight like this? And the answer

491
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Speaker 5: was actually very significant because as a guy who's accomplished

492
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Speaker 5: everything there is to accomplish in Bellator, I still want

493
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Speaker 5: to see that Mcki trilogy. This is something new. It's

494
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Speaker 5: a chance to fight another world champion in new rule set.

495
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Speaker 5: He grew up training with guys like Shogun, hu Won

496
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Speaker 5: vander le Silva, so this is something he's been dreaming

497
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Speaker 5: about for a very long time.

498
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Speaker 4: You know, it's let's hear for me, man, that going

499
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Speaker 4: to happen.

500
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Speaker 7: It's the biggest thing can happen in my career.

501
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Speaker 8: Champs, organizations, organization as the biggest step the part of

502
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Speaker 8: us did Oh, I am very excited to go.

503
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Speaker 3: There and.

504
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Speaker 2: Now, Shack, when we talk about the rules set changes

505
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Speaker 2: in some of these things.

506
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Speaker 1: We're talking about a ring here, right, We're not talking

507
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Speaker 1: about a cage.

508
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, square, different shape, not sure if you noticed. And

509
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 5: that actually does have some profound effects, right, Like working

510
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 5: up against the cage very very different versus working up

511
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Speaker 5: against the ring. Obviously you can follow through the size

512
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 5: makes a big difference. We saw how fights at the

513
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: Apex versus fights in the major arena sort of change

514
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 5: the approach for guys who like to be on their

515
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 5: gas pedal a lot or like to brawl. So there

516
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 5: are all these little things that I think the bellatour

517
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 5: guys are maybe underestimating in terms of sort of the

518
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 5: unique challenges it's going to provide. And again maybe they

519
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: go into it prepared. But my concern, like in that

520
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 5: first DJ versus Rice fight, is what's gonna happen if

521
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: you're hurt or if you're caught up in the moment

522
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: and one of these things that you're not used to

523
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Speaker 5: sort of creeps up on you.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you asked Patricio his thoughts on the on the

525
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Speaker 2: rules set. Let's hear what he had to say about

526
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Speaker 2: what he's up against.

527
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Speaker 9: I was there with my brother when we made all

528
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 9: the MBA and the rules was like that.

529
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Speaker 7: They head on the ground.

530
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Speaker 9: So I'm very excited to put that on the show.

531
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Speaker 7: And we know the rules is gonna be so they're

532
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Speaker 7: gonna f elbow, they gave jews, so it's to be

533
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 7: a real again.

534
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Speaker 3: That's where I heard that. That's where I heard that.

535
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Speaker 3: Thank you Pitfu clear that I love it.

536
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: He's just like, oh, this is just like Valley Tuto.

537
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: We used to crush dudes back in the day, kicking

538
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: them right in the face.

539
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Speaker 5: Bro Okay, I mean I understand that they're pro fighters,

540
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 5: but the enthusiasm they have for kicking another person in

541
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Speaker 5: the skull reminds me why you and I do not fight.

542
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 5: But shout out to Oscar Willis who got a dub.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out just to say there e Casey Lighten

544
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: as well. Uh shack Before we continue on down this card,

545
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: it is sort of interesting for Belatur as we point

546
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: the arrow in the direction of twenty twenty three, I

547
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of questions about where a lot

548
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: of these guys go. Will we see Patricio uh enter

549
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: this proposed lightweight World Grand Prix and try to regain

550
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Speaker 2: his title, Whill we see him cut down to bantam weight,

551
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: which he's threatening, which he's threatened to do a few

552
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: times to try to become really the first three division

553
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: champion an elite mma I think that we know of

554
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: or is.

555
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: He going to rematch aj McKee? This is something you asked.

556
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: McKee about what they are expecting. Do you, before we

557
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: throw to the McKey sound have any kind of if

558
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: you were the matchmaker regardless winner lose. What each of

559
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: these guys do Saturday night on Showtime a PM Eastern

560
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: in this challenge against Rising. Do you want to see

561
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: McKee Pitbull three next year? Do you want to see

562
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: McKee Ustmanner Mugga metoff in the lightweight tournament?

563
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: What the heck's gonna happen here?

564
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

565
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's very clear that this is

566
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 5: something Bellatore has on the forefront of their mind because

567
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: they keep booking Patricio Pitbull and AJ McKee on the

568
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 5: same card. And my boy McKee, man, he's talking so

569
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 5: much crap, but he always finds himself fighting on the

570
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: undercard of the guy who just beat him. What I

571
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: know for sure is Patrisio said that he will not

572
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: be going back to lightweight that is now his brother's division.

573
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: Even though PATRICKI lost the title. Patrisio's not touching lightweight.

574
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: So unless Usman's dropping down, it doesn't sound like that

575
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 5: it's happening anytime soon. McKee wants the pit Bull rematch

576
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 5: number one. He won't go to fatherweight for anything else,

577
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: but he'll do it for that fight. And you can

578
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 5: tell it's really what's sort of motivating him right now.

579
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: He doesn't even want to think about Usman until he

580
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 5: gets through that Hypsio fight.

581
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Speaker 2: Very interesting, the decisions that will be made next year

582
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: looking forward by the way to a potential lightweight Grand

583
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: Prix there with all the names floating around, I don't know.

584
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: I've loved, especially of late, how these tournaments have developed,

585
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: and you know, tournaments can be hit or missed. It

586
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: can be cliche at times with Belter is on a

587
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: good run with the with the Grand Prix in this.

588
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: Regard, if I may, I saw this kind of floating

589
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 5: around after I posted the McKee interview, But I feel like,

590
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 5: if you're McKee and obviously he's still growing and improving,

591
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 5: you might want that Usman or Mega Meta fights sooner

592
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 5: than later. Yeah, I don't think that guy has done

593
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: improving and leveling up, and I hate to see what

594
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 5: he looks like for opponents in a few years.

595
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Speaker 1: He is coming. Heck on wow wow. And there we

596
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: go with that shack to.

597
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: Further tease people can see these interviews at length and

598
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: a lot of the other stuff you got going on

599
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: at your Shack MMA channel.

600
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 5: That's correct, please, that is the one no tech issues

601
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 5: over on that side. Everything's pre produced and looking great.

602
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, using that probably backwards Canadian zoom

603
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: whatever they got up there. I don't know Bronstetter connected

604
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: me recently. What kind of link is this? I don't know,

605
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: what is this? What do you got going on?

606
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Let's go on down this card.

607
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: Kyochu Horror Gucci, huge name. Whether he's under the Bell

608
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Tour banner or the Rising one. He's got a rematch

609
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: coming up here against Hero Masa.

610
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Ogikubo.

611
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna bother. I'm not even gonna bother.

612
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: All right, Well, look, Horgucci a big time betting favorite,

613
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: as we look at the odds at the moment minus

614
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: five point fifty. He wanted a decision over Hero Maaso.

615
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: A few years back.

616
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: But this is Horgucci in an interesting spot in his

617
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: own arc. When you think about just two fights ago.

618
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: He goes in there against Sergio Pettis for the Bandamway title,

619
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: is dominating ninety percent of it and then gets knocked out,

620
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: and you know one of these come from behind victories

621
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Speaker 2: for the ages, and then he enters the World Grand

622
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: Prix there and gets upset by Patchie Mix, who spurning

623
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: from that fight and the follow up submissions could be

624
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: the favorite. As we enter the final, where is Pog

625
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Horror Gucci at? And did you see this first fight

626
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: between these two?

627
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

628
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: So, actually, if I'm not mistaken, they actually fought twice.

629
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Speaker 5: They also fought back in twenty thirteen, and Horror Gucci

630
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: won that one by rear naked choke. So if that's correct,

631
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 5: Horror Gucci is actually two to zero going into the series.

632
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 5: By the way, weird that he's the Ragining rise in

633
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 5: vandamweight champion, yet he's representing Belatore in this card. I

634
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 5: get having him on it, but neither here nor there.

635
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 5: I haven't watched the fights, did not have the time

636
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Speaker 5: to do that. From what I can gather, Horror Gucci

637
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 5: way more well rounded, hard masser, relies a lot on

638
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 5: takedowns and top control, although he not have the best

639
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 5: at always keeping that control. Not too much of a

640
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 5: finishing threat either. So you've got Horror Gucci, a guy

641
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 5: with huge power who is very competent on the ground

642
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: in indies wrestling exchanges. I think this should be pretty

643
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: favorable for him. What it means for his future, I'm

644
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 5: not so sure because Horragucci is one of these guys

645
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 5: who you always feel is right there, right on the

646
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 5: cusp of truly achieving greatness. I mean he did it

647
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 5: against Sergio Pettes for the better part out of five rounds. Man,

648
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 5: he was my favorite going into that Bellatore Bantamweight Grand Prix,

649
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Speaker 5: and after the PATCHI Mix lost, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Worried the guy may have popped out of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's he.

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Speaker 2: Was a favorite coming in and you said it, and

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Speaker 2: he couldn't have looked more dominant. He's the former Belatoor

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Speaker 2: champion from that two fight series with Caldwell. But there

655
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Speaker 2: was just something about I think I've misread in real

656
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: time the PATCHI Mix lost and sort of saying you

657
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Speaker 2: know what was wrong with Horror Gucci when reality. In

658
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Speaker 2: a lot of ways, this is PATCHI Mix putting his

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Speaker 2: entirety career together at the right time and coming on.

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Speaker 2: But interesting questions forr Gucci to answer as he enters

661
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Speaker 2: this third fight against Haromsa and where he goes moving forward.

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Speaker 2: I'd forgotten as you mentioned, the reigning rising champion, just

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Speaker 2: the same interesting on the rules there on how you

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Speaker 2: hang on with that title shack. There are two more

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Speaker 2: matchups on this card. We're gonna see one Archilett at

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Speaker 2: bantam weight, the former champion take on So Cheul Kim,

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Speaker 2: and a lightweight bout to open it, matching Gadzi robotten

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Speaker 2: Off against Koji Takeda. This will be on the Showtime

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Speaker 2: card at air Saturday eight pm Eastern. But there's also

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Speaker 2: an undercard that's gonna be titled Rise in forty that

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Speaker 2: will be available as a Fight TV pay per view.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna see John Dodson on that card. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: see Naoki a new Way Johnny Case as I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 2: So a lot of action to close the year here.

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Speaker 2: You got any early picks for Fight of the night

676
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Speaker 2: or or something you're watching closer than others?

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Speaker 5: Ooh okay, I'm gonna go Mcki Satoshi. I just think

678
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Speaker 5: Hotco is too defensively sound to make that one ultra competitive.

679
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Speaker 3: I feel like McKee for better or worse.

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Speaker 5: We saw on the Spike Carlisle fight like he's got

681
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: a mean streak in him, and his corner was lambasting

682
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Speaker 5: him for engaging with Carlile and these brawls when he

683
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 5: was clearly the more superior technical fighter. I just have

684
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: a feeling that mckey's gonna have a little more fun

685
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Speaker 5: with it. He's probably not gonna go to the ground,

686
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Speaker 5: but I expect him to throw some crazy spinning shit

687
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Speaker 5: up top, just to keep it fun for the fans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: This should be fun.

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Speaker 2: Saturday night, eight pm Eastern. Don't miss it there on showtime,

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Speaker 2: Shak heavy lifting out of you today, coming out here

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Speaker 2: giving me the Japanese Mma breakdown, which you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: always front row four.

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Speaker 5: It was an early morning. It was an early morning,

695
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Speaker 5: trying to make sense of this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't realize, you know, for Shack to join

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Speaker 2: this show, it's a buck krack of dawn over there

698
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Speaker 2: on the beautiful left coast of Canada. Do you have

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Speaker 2: any opinions on Nova Scotia Canada, most most directly Mount Unike,

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Speaker 2: where the Paqutz reside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, shout out to the Piquettes.

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Speaker 5: Also shout out to Renee Piquette, a fellow can No man.

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Speaker 5: I I'm honestly disappointed with how little of Canada I traversed.

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Speaker 5: You know, big city living over here. We don't have

705
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Speaker 5: time for those people.

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Speaker 2: Thus, well, Shaq, you're a lot younger than me, I presume,

707
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Speaker 2: and you know you seem to be in decent shape.

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00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know about this this rave habit on the side.

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00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of flashing light sticks. But that's

710
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Speaker 2: your you know, your life. But Shack, you know you

711
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Speaker 2: see this glass.

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Speaker 5: Cow caused play by the way, I was wearing a

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Speaker 5: T shirt and and par of shorts that just so

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Speaker 5: happened to be cow press.

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Speaker 2: Did we run that clip on this show? And just

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Speaker 2: out you an embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: You're just verbally out of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like this spit's just like a cow. What are

719
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Speaker 1: we doing here? But you know, enjoy yourself. Just safe.

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Speaker 2: But Shack, you're younger and in shape, more in shape

721
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Speaker 2: than me. But I'm trying, especially with the new year coming,

722
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to turn that corner. And I know you've

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Speaker 2: been oggling this glass right here, this magic powder right

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Speaker 2: eight ounces of water and once scoop of green.

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Speaker 1: You're wondering, BC, what's that all about?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Tell me about it, man, I mean you are the

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Speaker 5: picture of health that I hope to achieve when I'm right.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's about cliffs notes, it's about cutting corners. No,

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Speaker 2: it's about this It's about starting my day the with

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Speaker 2: something that makes me feel good, that I know is healthy,

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Speaker 2: that's got that nice, subtle citrus taste. I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: quality vitamins, minerals, whole food source, superfoods, probiotics, adaptogens, all

736
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Speaker 2: that stuff that helps you start your day right, Shack.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it about building a foundation? The first thing you

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Speaker 2: put in your body is what your body's gonna crave

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Speaker 2: all day.

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Speaker 1: I like to put good stuff in Listen.

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Speaker 5: Based on the things you have said on this show,

742
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Speaker 5: the lesson I've learned is if I take AG one,

743
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Speaker 5: I won't have to do all the backtracking that you

744
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Speaker 5: are now at this stage of your life. Well, I'll

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Speaker 5: tell you Beyonce is a nurse. She constantly harasses me

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Speaker 5: for not taking my vitamins. I think ag one is

747
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Speaker 5: exactly what I need.

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Speaker 1: Wow, shout out to your fiance there.

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Speaker 2: The thing about this is, you know, we hope Luke

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Speaker 2: Thomas recovers from his illness. My family's been under the

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Speaker 2: weather of late, but I don't know shack. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if the science proves it, but everybody in my

753
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Speaker 2: house gets sick. I stay healthy. I also drink this

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Speaker 2: every day.

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Speaker 1: Coincidence.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying is but to close here,

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Speaker 2: it's one thing for a washed forty four year old

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Speaker 2: dad to tell you. How about those seven thousand people

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Speaker 2: that put out five star reviews? How about Tim Ferriss,

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Speaker 2: how about Michael Gervase?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: How about them? Right now?

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat. To take ownership of your health, Shack, you're vapor,

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Speaker 2: You're vaping.

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Speaker 1: God, what are you, Luke Thomas?

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Speaker 2: I said, you're vamping to open the show while we

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00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: have technical issues. You're helping me out on the ag read.

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00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: We appreciate your services here, Shack. You know you're you're

780
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Speaker 2: kind of like our little brother here in the MKA family.

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Speaker 3: We like that, though, appreciate that. Man.

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Speaker 5: You guys have been super kind to me. And that's

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Speaker 5: a lot coming from Luke, who isn't always the most gentle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's trying, you know, he's conveniently forgot. We

785
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Speaker 2: had some Shack sound to throw to a few times,

786
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Speaker 2: but you.

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Speaker 1: Know that happens, you know.

788
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys have done your part. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, right right back at your topic

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Speaker 2: number two today, Shack. In the MMA news cycle, we

791
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Speaker 2: got some recent fight announcements of sorts to react to

792
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Speaker 2: to get fired up for potentially, let's start right here.

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Speaker 1: UFC two eighty four, Hey, Kai car.

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Speaker 2: France, out of that Perth return due to injury, was

795
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Speaker 2: expected to face Alex Perez, one of my favorite undercard fighters,

796
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Speaker 2: though Luma Luke Bomby is in against the least reads,

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Speaker 2: so follow that. February eleventh, UFC two eighty four, Shack,

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Speaker 2: are you moved at all about this February fourth offering

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Speaker 2: UFC Vegas sixty eight marchin Ti Bora versus Blagoy.

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Speaker 5: Even off, Dude, you know it's not sexy, but Tyber

801
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 5: is pretty good. I feel like he keeps losing those

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00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 5: really important fights, and he had a pretty bad like

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Speaker 5: one in four skit at one point, losing guys like

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Speaker 5: ar Doom. But ty Board is pretty legit, and he's

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00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: a tough out for just about everyone, and he's very

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00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 5: quietly sneaky as you would put it, put together a

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Speaker 5: five and one run, beating guys like Sergei Spivack. He

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00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: beat alex Alexander Romanov and that's a really impressive win,

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Speaker 5: and he got Greg Hardy out of there, and you

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00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: know that makes a lot of MMA fans happy.

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Speaker 1: Tibera thirty seven years old.

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Speaker 2: But you know you mentioned something that Luke and I

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Speaker 2: didn't mention and are probably going to get dead wrong

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Speaker 2: to shit come Friday. Is that Alexander Romanov, who was

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Speaker 2: on a great streak there in August of this actual

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Speaker 2: year UFC two seventy eight did drop one to Teburah.

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Speaker 1: So before that, Ty Burro.

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Speaker 2: Had lost to Volkov, but you know he had run

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Speaker 2: off that five fight win streak before that in some

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Speaker 2: of those names you mentioned. So heavyweight, you don't worry

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Speaker 2: about age. I think we do need to refocus our

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Speaker 2: efforts on who this guy is. I always looked at

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Speaker 2: him tiber a sort of a tough out to gatekeeper

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Speaker 2: ish to decide who's coming or going. And right now,

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Speaker 2: Alexander Romanov's got some more work to do. I feel

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Speaker 2: like he should beat my boy, bog boy.

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Speaker 1: But who oh was here? We're gonna find out there.

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Speaker 2: February fourth, UFC Vegas sixty eight. The same night, though, Shack,

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Speaker 2: how about this CBS belatore back with a bang as

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Speaker 2: we talked about. I don't know, Shaq, if you like

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Speaker 2: to pronounce it Fader versus Bader or the other way around,

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Speaker 2: fade or But here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: That's still your main event.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, though, lightweight heavyweight Champion of a Team nemcoff schedule

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Speaker 2: for that comin event against Eel Romero, which is a

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Speaker 2: sexy offering now off due to personal reasons for Nemcov

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Speaker 2: that have yet to be announced, but Belator subbing in

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Speaker 2: Johnny Eblin to make the first defense of his Middleway

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Speaker 2: title against the Team fade Or Prodigy here Anatotally Tokoff,

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Speaker 2: who's seven and zero under the Belatour banner, and Shaq,

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, I've been telling Luke for a

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Speaker 2: long time. Anatotally Tokoff is coming on. He's built like

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Speaker 2: a bridge brick shit house. He kind of exemplifies what

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Speaker 2: this Team fad Or movement is all about under the

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Speaker 2: Belatour banner. I wanted nemcof Romero. We can't get that.

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Speaker 2: What kind of matchup you thin? Johnny Eblin versus Anatoly

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Speaker 2: Tokoff will be come February fourth.

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Speaker 3: But it's great.

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Speaker 5: You know, both have done very well under the Belatour banner.

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Speaker 5: I think if memory serves correct, Eblum is like eight

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Speaker 5: to zero in Belatore. Tokov is seven and oh in Bellator.

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Speaker 5: Tokov very experienced, but unlike Gay Garden Musauci and let

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Speaker 5: me shout out the DreamCatcher one of my favorite fighters

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Speaker 5: of all time. You know, he's been to the Toppen,

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Speaker 5: he's been fighting for a long time.

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Speaker 3: And although that.

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Speaker 5: Was an upset lost to Eblin, I think it was

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Speaker 5: gonna happen sooner or later. Tokov is a tough, tough

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Speaker 5: out and I kind of love he is part of

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Speaker 5: team fad Or. I do love how they're kind of

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Speaker 5: stacking Fador's fighters underneath him. I think it's a cool

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Speaker 5: little line to draw through regarding Nemkov versus By the way,

863
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 5: I think Tokov should probably be the favorite in this fight.

864
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: Regarding the beta Ramerathon.

865
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: No, you're picking the challenger here as the fing I'm.

866
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: Gonna pick the challenge, dude.

867
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 5: I like Tokov, super experience, super tough, and thus far

868
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 5: he has passed every test in belator Oka.

869
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: Are you not on the same page as me here?

870
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh I am. I didn't.

871
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: I didn't go to the level of favorite though, Eblin,

872
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, deserving some respect from what he did to

873
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: Musasi and when he's able to dominate you can't he

874
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: physically dominate Tokoff.

875
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Look, I want to see that happen ultimately.

876
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, well we will see. It should be a

877
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: good fight. If Evlyn can wins this, he's going into

878
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: the category of like legit possible long term metalweight champion.

879
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm not giving Gagart enough respect, obviously, he was

880
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 5: doing really well in that late stage run, beating John Salter,

881
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: beating Austin Vanderford.

882
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

883
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: I've got a good feeling about Tokov. I think he's

884
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 5: the real deal.

885
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And we've got to put some respect on

886
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: coach fad Or. I know, Habib getting all the rub

887
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: of late you know, rightfully, so as fighter turn coach,

888
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: but team fad Or producing. Let's go to UFC Vegas

889
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: sixty nine. This news got a lot of people buzz in.

890
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: It's February eighteenth, and it finally gives us a bit

891
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: of clarity on which direction this loaded UFC vandamweight division

892
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: is headed in the new year.

893
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: How about Marlon Vera.

894
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: Versus Cory Sanhagen, Sha, what do you love about it?

895
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: And what are the real stakes here?

896
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: In your mind?

897
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: Can I start with what I hate about it?

898
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: Yeah?

899
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: Please go ahead, listen.

900
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: I know a lot of this stuff is logistics. But

901
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: UFC President Dana White said at a press conference later

902
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 5: in this year that if he had it this way,

903
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: if he had it his way, every fight night would

904
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 5: be on the road. How do you book Marlon Cheato

905
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 5: Vera versus Corey Sanhagen, at least on the surface, a

906
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 5: potential fight of the year for twenty twenty three, and

907
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 5: you book it at.

908
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 3: The UFC Apex. How the hell does this happen?

909
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 5: That is a fight that deserves and demands people screaming

910
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 5: all around the arena.

911
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: So this is becoming a developing theme or thing. You know,

912
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: Aeriel's going ham on it, and I've agreed with him

913
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: the whole idea of like we're we're so far out

914
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: of the COVID window. UFC was ahead of the game

915
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: back then, and the Apex was like the perfect asset

916
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: they already had in their holster to be the leaders

917
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: and be ahead of the game. But now they're continually

918
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: going back there when we all know how much better

919
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: the fights are in the full arena and the fighters

920
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: getting that full experience of fans get to be called all.

921
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: That great stuff.

922
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: But Shack, there's a video I want to mention that

923
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: I'll be referencing in a second and a different news story.

924
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Did you see that thing that mma I put out.

925
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: The headline of their clip was the UFC has a

926
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: major gambling problems. James Kraus is only the beginning. And

927
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: while you know It certainly identifies the direction of betting

928
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: and everything going on there, which is a very serious subject.

929
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: More on that to come.

930
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: It also sort of identified a real layman's term explanation

931
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: of the nerd stuff on the details of why the

932
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: UFC is in the financial position they're in, why they

933
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: do keep fighter pay as low as physically possible, how

934
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: this affects their parent company, Endeavor. I watched that video

935
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: and I've got to be really very impressed with who

936
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: put that out at such length, But it sort of

937
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: suggested in theory that the UFC may be staying at

938
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: the apex longer than we realize because when you lower

939
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: those overall production costs, it helps Endeavor so much more

940
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: in the long run.

941
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Are you buying that sort of way of looking at this?

942
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: It's super convenient for the UFC, right, And I think

943
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 5: Lucas brought this up for the past, like you're cutting

944
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 5: down on travel costs, you don't have to worry about, uh,

945
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: you know, loading trucks with all this gear like I

946
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: don't know if you've ever I'm sure you have, But

947
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: for those who haven't, these productions ufcwwe these traveling circuses

948
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 5: like they've got a lot of big trucks. They got

949
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 5: to transport all the stage equipment, the octagon, all that

950
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 5: stuff has to be brought over and set up right.

951
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 5: So it is way way, way more affordable to book

952
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 5: stuff at the UFC Apex. If anything, that's more reason

953
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 5: for me to dislike it.

954
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

955
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean, look that, like, you know, a video like that,

956
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: shout out again to the channel their mma. I you know,

957
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: the video really suggests a lot of things that would

958
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense that you know, it's in

959
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: the UFC's best interest to always keep pay as low

960
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: as possible, And it has a lot more to do

961
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: with with thinks terms like Ebita and john S Nash

962
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: and you know, tying it into to endeavor purchasing the

963
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: UFC and taking on all that debt and having to

964
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: pay it off, and the whole idea of course that

965
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, we already knew with the ESPN deal was

966
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: a major change in giving UFC that sort of baseline

967
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 2: amount of guaranteed money per card. Where does that make

968
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: them as motivated to make these sort of super matchups

969
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: that drive up pay per views. It's a good debate

970
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: for the future how that pertains to them potentially staying

971
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: at the Apex though, just to kind of cut costs.

972
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense when you're putting on fights

973
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: this frickin good. I know, you know, paul Anka and

974
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: the Nelk boys and sometimes at Zuck get to get

975
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: prime seating there. But when we're talking about Marlon Vera

976
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: versus Corey Sandhagen, when I prefaced it by asking you

977
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: the stakes, this could have just as easily, in my opinion,

978
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: been Marlon Vera versus Sean O'Malley in a rematch for

979
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: the interim title.

980
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Why do you feel this was the.

981
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: Direction of Vera versus Sandhagen? And what does that mean

982
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: for the big names that we're hearing about Sterling the champion,

983
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: Suhuto who could be next? Or O'Malley who could be next?

984
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: What does this matchup say about those guys.

985
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was honestly when I first heard the matchup,

986
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 5: I was a little confused because when I think about

987
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 5: Marlin cheto Vera, I think of a guy who's on

988
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 5: the prespice of a title shot. And when I think

989
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 5: about Corey Sanhagen, I think of this guy that everyone

990
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 5: keeps sort of a labeling as a future champion, but

991
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 5: a guy who repeatedly, unfortunately and he's amazing, has fallen

992
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: short at the highest level against Sterling, against Pyodrian.

993
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: There's a few things in play here.

994
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 5: It seems like we're heading towards al Jamaine Sterling versus

995
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 5: Henry Suhudo, but with Sahudo, I'm never really sure what

996
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: to believe. Shaan O'Malley seems to think that might be

997
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 5: the fight that's happening. If I were to guess, the

998
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: UFC is still working on Sterling Sahudo and maybe has

999
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: Sean O'Malley lined up in the event that Shudo can't

1000
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 5: make that fight happen.

1001
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: Oka Cheeto Vera.

1002
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: While we do think of him as this guy who

1003
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: is on the presipice of a title shot, when you

1004
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 5: look at his last three wins, I think in terms

1005
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 5: of like title contention, the most impressive at VANDAM weight

1006
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 5: is actually Rob font who isn't a guy we currently

1007
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 5: think of as a title challenger. There was Frankie Edgar

1008
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 5: and unfortunately we love Frankie to death. We saw what

1009
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 5: the last couple of fights were like. Same with Dominant Cruz.

1010
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 5: Both legends looked impressive because Cheeto Vera typically starts slow

1011
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 5: and sort of analyzes what's happening, and then once he

1012
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 5: gets his range and his reads, you see him turn

1013
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: it up in pretty brutal ways down the stretch. But

1014
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 5: Cheeto hasn't actually faced like a legit title challenger yet,

1015
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 5: and Corey Sanhagan is very much that guy. And though

1016
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 5: I don't believe that san Haagan gets a title shot

1017
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: off of beating Vera, and I do think that Vera

1018
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 5: might get a title shot off of san Hagan, anything

1019
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 5: could change as soon as Sterling loses that title. If

1020
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 5: we see Sean O'Malley or Henry so Judo as bandonweight champion.

1021
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 5: Sanhagan's got wins off two tough outs and song yet

1022
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 5: Dong and Cheeto Vera's right back in the mix, And

1023
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: the real victim in all of this is poor Morob Debolishpheeley,

1024
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 5: who I think the UFC and Dana White are just

1025
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 5: spighting after that performance against Jose Aldo that although victorious,

1026
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: Dana was super unhappy with.

1027
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, you said a few things that are interesting.

1028
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying. I get what

1029
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: you're saying.

1030
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: Where when you look at Vera's run since that, although

1031
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: losses four to zero, font the best contending win because

1032
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: we're considering Davey Grant a step below, and then Dominic

1033
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: Cruz and Frankie Edgar, both of which he finished by

1034
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: knockout via kicks. By the way, you know our names

1035
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: that are that are somewhat past it. You can't argue

1036
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: necessarily against that. But this to me, and this decision

1037
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: to not put him in an O'Malley rematch or not

1038
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: put him in an title bout or basically say you

1039
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: know you're gonna have to win a little bit more

1040
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: to crack this this core, is that they feel like

1041
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: the times now for O'Malley as much as you said, look,

1042
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: maybe the direction they go is Sterling versus Shudo and

1043
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: O'Malley's sort of the backup in case of anything it

1044
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: could have just been. Is possible that we're coming in

1045
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: the direction of O'Malley versus al Jo for the title

1046
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: with Suhudo waiting.

1047
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: For the winner totally.

1048
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 5: I just there's some sort of hold up. I don't

1049
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 5: know what that is. We've seen Sterling mention after the

1050
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 5: t J Dela Show fight that he wants what was

1051
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 5: it like six months off an extended period there. I

1052
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: just don't think the UFC has anything finalized, and for them,

1053
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 5: the safest bet is to remove Sean O'Malley from any

1054
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 5: other possible matchups until this is all sorted out.

1055
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: Because look, Shudo coming back has value, right, it has value.

1056
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're going to maximize that value

1057
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: of when he comes back the first time and it's

1058
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: a storyline, do you want that against al Jio or

1059
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: do you potentially want that against your rising stud in O'Malley.

1060
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: That's why I think this is more you know, look,

1061
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: but it's not like we didn't know. We were already

1062
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: told by Dana that if O'Malley beat pay order Yan,

1063
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: he would be next for the title. I wondered if

1064
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: that could come in some form of an interim belt,

1065
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: which isn't necessarily needed, but would allow al Jo to

1066
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: face Suhudo. Now this is the leading me to believe

1067
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: O'Malley could be next, And you know, would they want

1068
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: shudos come back to be against a champion O'Malley if

1069
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: you can get past Sterling as opposed to against al Joe.

1070
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1071
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look at all this is is us continuing

1072
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: to disrespect Aljo.

1073
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: I mean, like, can I get a lot of disrespect

1074
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: to give Aljo a bit of respect?

1075
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe UFC wants.

1076
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 5: To get what they can out of Suhudo because, like

1077
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 5: you mentioned with the video that covered the James James

1078
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 5: Crouse stuff, the UFC loves to feed their old aging

1079
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 5: veterans to up and coming fighters and just devalue the

1080
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 5: hell out of them. Maybe, absolutely, maybe the UFC does

1081
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 5: want to work with Sahudo, And I would argue so

1082
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 5: Judo's got a way better chance of beating O'Malley than

1083
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 5: he does beating al Jamaine Sterling. So maybe this is

1084
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 5: a chance for al Jo to get a bit of

1085
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 5: a rub off Sahudo to then fight O'Malley because I

1086
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 5: don't I don't think you want Sahudo beating O'Malley, just

1087
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: wrestling him to death and then holding that title hostage.

1088
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 3: Again.

1089
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: Interesting, This division so loaded, so fun, can't wait to

1090
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: see it all play out in Corey San Jagan has

1091
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: a very big opportunity to catapult himself back into this

1092
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: title picture should he stop the red hot run of

1093
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Marlon Vera. Finally, on these fight announcement reactions, UFC San

1094
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: Antonio for March twenty fifth. I mentioned that Alex Perez

1095
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: is out of that return in Perth against an injured

1096
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: Kaikr France, but he's going to get a rising Manel

1097
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: cop on this date, March twenty fifth, So that's a

1098
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: good ass flyweight fight to ty look out for. But

1099
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: the big news from that same card comes from welterweight

1100
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: fresh off being stopped in his first pro defeat against

1101
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: remember the name, Sean Brady, back in tough, back in

1102
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: potentially very entertaining against one Michelle Pedata. Wow, Shaq, this

1103
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: was a sexy one I didn't see coming. But we

1104
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 2: know Sean Brady has added more tats to his neck

1105
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: in the back of his head. He's ready, he means business.

1106
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to step his striking game up. Of course,

1107
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: that's ultimately what cost him against Blam Muhammad.

1108
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: How do you like this matchup?

1109
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: Hey?

1110
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 5: Is the tattoo now like forever dead in the water?

1111
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 5: Is there something that we can do at X kind

1112
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 5: of rekindl You know.

1113
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: I think I was in hindsight. I mean they caught

1114
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: me at a at a at a good time, meaning

1115
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: you know my you know, my biggest fears in life

1116
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: usually involved you know, spiders, black licorice, chicks that smoke,

1117
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: and and needles, right, you know, So it's like they

1118
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: hit me right at the perfect midlife crisis. We're on

1119
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: the couch, We're sitting in row eight. John Brady's there.

1120
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: We're talking about bringing the cameras to Philly.

1121
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna have tacos as well. This is great.

1122
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: We'll all sit down with the DOC cameras, you know. Unfortunately, shock,

1123
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: I'll do anything for the doc you know what I mean,

1124
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: I'll do that. That's that's you know, I'll do anything

1125
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: for those dock cameras to provide these MK fans with entertainment.

1126
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: So I think I.

1127
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: Slipped a little too easily into Yeah, sure, I'll get

1128
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: a tattoo.

1129
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: Why not.

1130
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to beat you know, more people than

1131
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: the dangerous and respectable Michelle Paededa to uh to get

1132
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: me to put that needle in.

1133
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: But it's possible down the road.

1134
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: It's not completely dead in the water.

1135
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: All right. How about Sean Brady versus Bla Mohammed Part two?

1136
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: One day?

1137
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: How about that?

1138
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, all right, he put it out there, folks,

1139
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 5: hold him accountable.

1140
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking the Michelle Padata sometimes is up and down.

1141
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: We know how big this fight would be for Brady

1142
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: to round out his game with a striking comeback, bounce

1143
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: back big. We know how hungry he is, we know

1144
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: how good he is on the ground. Padata is wildly unpredictable,

1145
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: both in style and the level of performance he'll give you.

1146
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: You can lure him into some crazy shit.

1147
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes he's doing it on his own, but Shack the

1148
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: rare times we've seen Michelle Padata commit to wrestling and

1149
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: commit to using all of his strengths in the direction

1150
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: of winning fights. Strengths meaning he's an incredible shape, great

1151
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: gas ting all that stuff, not gassing yourself out doing

1152
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: backflips on the.

1153
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: Way to the cage.

1154
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: Sure, in Vancouver, when this guy focuses, damn do we

1155
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 2: see flashes. But I am wondering if he's just never

1156
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: gonna find that consistency because he loves entertaining the fans

1157
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: too much.

1158
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: Dude, that's what this guy loves to do.

1159
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: Are you at all surprised that he's ranked number fourteenth

1160
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: at welter eight. I was shocked.

1161
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: What do you think it should be higher or not?

1162
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: At all, not at all.

1163
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: I mean now, I don't have the benefit of knowing

1164
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 5: where the guys he beat were ranked at the time,

1165
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 5: but everyone he's beaten that stretch is currently unranked. That's Ponzinibbio,

1166
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 5: by Split, Andre Fiallo, Nico Price, Chaos william And and zilliam IMADAIAV.

1167
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: I just feel like Walter Waite is so deep of

1168
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 5: a division that he's ranked right now. But because he is,

1169
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 5: I think this is a really solid fight Sean Brady.

1170
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: I think the UFC still has high hopes for and

1171
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 5: it's a chance for him to bounce back. He's fighting

1172
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 5: a guy who's got at least two point to date,

1173
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 5: way more dangerous strikes than Baba Muhammed, who we just

1174
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 5: saw kind of put it on Sean Brady. At the

1175
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: same time, I think Sean Brady Michelle's pretty strong, granted,

1176
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 5: like he's very strong, but I don't think he's got

1177
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 5: anywhere close the same level of wrestling that Sean Brady has.

1178
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 5: Like the Ball was able to deter and fend off

1179
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 5: Sean Brady from grappling, I don't.

1180
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: Know that Pehea is going to be able to do that.

1181
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 5: But I like the matchmaking because you need to give

1182
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 5: Sean Brady something that he can bounce back from. But

1183
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 5: at the same time, if he hasn't been able to

1184
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 5: close the gaps that cost him against Balol Mohammed. Now

1185
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 5: you've got Michelle Pihe a very exciting guy, the dynamic

1186
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 5: striker with a big personality, and you're moving that guy

1187
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 5: into the top ten. So I actually really shout out

1188
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: to whoever booked this fight. I think it's really solid.

1189
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 5: I think there are pros for both guys involved, and

1190
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 5: I don't think the loser, like you haven't lost a

1191
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 5: ton of the loser, right, this is a matter of

1192
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 5: proving who's really deserving of a top ten spot.

1193
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: Shrek Let's transition into topic number three, and this is

1194
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: a continuation of what really, long term could become the

1195
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: biggest story in MMA in some recent years. No, not

1196
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: the ali Ac potential here as Luke Thomas identified, which

1197
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: is potentially in play for twenty twenty three. But it's

1198
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: the fallout of the James Cross betting scandal. And we've

1199
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: got another name to add to what Kross being suspended

1200
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: until the further investigation to Derek Minner, who was involved

1201
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 2: in that somewhat sketchy ending that fight, and basically everyone

1202
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 2: involved with Kraus's jim now unable to fight until they affiliation.

1203
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 2: We now have Jeff Molina in the new cycle being

1204
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: suspended by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. So Molina was

1205
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: supposed to fy Jimmy Flick on January fourteenth, he withdrew

1206
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 2: due to undisclosed reasons. After the recent news, we wonder

1207
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: if this withdrawal is you know, in complete direction reaction

1208
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: to the suspension. UFC has ban Kraus indefinitely. As I mentioned,

1209
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: the exact terms of malina suspension has not been made public.

1210
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: We don't know a lot of details, but we have

1211
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: to assume it all connects to what happened here. And

1212
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: I want to shout out one more time that MMAI video,

1213
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: which really put all the facts in the forefront scheck.

1214
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: This goes deeper this Krause thing than I really even realized.

1215
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard his entire interview with Ariel from earlier

1216
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: this year at complete length. I had heard excerpts, but

1217
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: you basically had James cross at that point. I mean,

1218
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 2: in hindsight, damn, was this a bad idea? Just sort

1219
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: of publicly bragging about a few things, not just the

1220
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: money he's making gambling, running the discord comparatively to the

1221
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: money the humble money he's bringing in as a coach

1222
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: or with a gym, but taking over other better's accounts,

1223
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: which is illegal, and making bets for them. And when

1224
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: you have that Derek Minner fight situation, and by the way,

1225
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: a few other fight scenarios that involve Krass that now

1226
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: in hindsight, you're like, was there anything else there?

1227
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: Now we had Jeff Molina to hear.

1228
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm interesting to get your overall take on sort of

1229
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: how big this thing really is and whether whether or

1230
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: not UFC in the Nevada State Athletic Commission are done

1231
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: dropping the hammer to build up those walls to make

1232
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: sure this doesn't happen again.

1233
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, this is this is huge. This is like

1234
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 5: Francis Angano huge. This is like the teeth in my

1235
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: mouth huge. Like this is dude, The FBI is probing.

1236
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 5: The FBI is looking into this situation. The last time

1237
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 5: something the FBI was looking into something in my sphere

1238
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 5: of work, Vince Stickmhon stepped down from as the CEO

1239
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: of WWE, and he has not come now, I'm not

1240
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 5: suggesting that Dana White is any sort of issue that's

1241
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 5: you know, he I don't think anything really has to

1242
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 5: do with and beyond I guess him and the commissions

1243
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 5: moving forward have to have a more full proof approach

1244
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 5: to preventing something like this from happening.

1245
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: Dude.

1246
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 5: To be fair, I don't know much about gambling, but

1247
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 5: it seems that James Krause does, and I would heed anyone.

1248
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe, first of all, don't do illegal things

1249
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 5: that are going to get you progued by the FBI,

1250
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 5: but it maybe take a little bit more care into

1251
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 5: researching sort of the legality of the things you're doing,

1252
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 5: and maybe not out yourself quite so publicly, quite so easily.

1253
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 5: Regarding Jeff Malina Man, I don't know. We don't know

1254
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 5: exactly what this is. The Nevada State Athletic Commission is

1255
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 5: supposed to meet and sort of determine his future, but

1256
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 5: as of right now it's set as his status is uncategorized,

1257
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 5: so we don't know exactly what this has to do with.

1258
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 5: I think, obviously, based on the acceleration of this issue

1259
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: with Kraus, insider gambling, et cetera, et cetera, it probably

1260
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 5: pertains to that to some degree. We obviously don't know

1261
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 5: for certain. I think this is the beginning. I think

1262
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 5: a lot is about to get unearthed. Now I don't

1263
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 5: think for the most part, and I say this just

1264
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 5: based off the information I've seen in my own opinion.

1265
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: I don't know that the UFC has this tremendous gambling

1266
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 5: issue or insider betting issue, but there's clearly a huge

1267
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 5: lack of security in place to avoid stuff like this.

1268
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 5: I think it was Mark ray Mundy from ESPN who

1269
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 5: put out a piece where he spoke with a coach

1270
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 5: anonymously where the coach said, yeah, man, I was in

1271
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 5: the same locker room because I guess all the blue

1272
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 5: corner fighters are in wary and all the Red corner

1273
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 5: fighters are in another. It's like I looked over and

1274
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 5: I saw the guy was limping, and so I just

1275
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 5: popped open my bedding app and I put some money down.

1276
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 5: So there's going to have to be something done to

1277
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 5: prevent this from happening in the future. For me, the

1278
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 5: biggest obstacle, and we saw it with TJ. Dillashaw and

1279
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 5: that shoulder injury he suffered that he kind of kept

1280
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 5: hidden going into the fight against Stirling is it's for

1281
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 5: this exact reason that sports like the NFL have an

1282
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 5: injury report, right. But the problem is, and you've heard

1283
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 5: this from basically every fighter that's ever done an interview,

1284
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 5: they never go into a fight one hundred percent. So

1285
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're going to do one to

1286
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 5: incentivize fighters to come forward with injuries when they have

1287
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 5: a win a show win split where they only get

1288
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Speaker 5: you know, let's say twenty grand, twelve grand, forty grand

1289
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 5: for showing up to the fight, and they only get

1290
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Speaker 5: the other twelve twenty forty if they win the fight.

1291
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Speaker 5: So you're telling a fighter, hey, be more forthcoming about

1292
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 5: your injuries, and oh yeah, you're not going to get

1293
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 5: paid the remainder of your you know, half your money potentially.

1294
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: And you're not gonna and and you're gonna have to

1295
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: foot the surgery bill because it had because these injuries

1296
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: happen in training.

1297
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: Not in the cage.

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01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: So look, there's a lot going on right now. And

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: again that MMAI clip could not frame it better and

1300
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 2: give their own take on sort of the future, which

1301
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us already realize that, you know,

1302
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 2: labor issues are to come. And this is partly why

1303
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: UFCS on really day one in terms of the overall

1304
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: season of gambling being legal in the UFC getting so

1305
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: much money from that Draft Kings deal which they have

1306
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: to protect. So it's like Luke and I debated when

1307
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: the Cross thing first broke out, I think rightfully, so

1308
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: we both agreed like kind of Most importantly here is

1309
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: the integrity of the sport protection, because you know, as

1310
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: soon as you're not looked at as legitimate, everything could

1311
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: go away, including the gambling connection. But I think it's

1312
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: it's more financially based. I think at the end of

1313
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: the day than even their own reputation. UFC has to

1314
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: protect the merits, of course of this giant DraftKings deal,

1315
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: which means so much to the parent company bottom line,

1316
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: along with that ESPN deal, which is why, again we

1317
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: talked about it back in twenty twenty, Dana Wright was

1318
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: so aggressively forth right to put the show back on

1319
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: the road no matter what because he had to meet

1320
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: the minimum dates.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about that for years.

1322
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: But man, does that MMAI video echo true that something

1323
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: is big time coming.

1324
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Speaker 1: And I think the connection between TJ.

1325
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: Dillishaw going public so deeply in multiple interviews after his

1326
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: title loss to Sterling, with the show of their injury,

1327
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: and this whole idea that, Okay, the Derek Minner situation,

1328
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: especially with all the movement leading into that fight and

1329
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: the books, you know, taking it off because of the

1330
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: suspicion is sketchy enough in the idea of wanting to

1331
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: never have the image of of you know, fixing fights

1332
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: or someone taking a fall or all that. But what

1333
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: if the Derek Minner situation is more in line with

1334
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: the TJ. Dillashaw one than we realized. What if in

1335
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: Minnor's head, I can't you know, we're already hearing how

1336
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: often the fighters can't even afford to take an elite

1337
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: camp to try to win a fight that would put

1338
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: him in a situation where they don't have to worry

1339
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 2: as much about the finances. What about somebody like Minnor

1340
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: who suffered the injury outside of it and is just thinking,

1341
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: I gotta get my my covery covered, my surgery if

1342
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: I go into that fight and who cares what happens.

1343
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't as much on the surface about gambling

1344
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: and it became more of that. I don't know, but

1345
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: either way, I think that video nailed it perfectly. The

1346
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: biggest thing UFC has to change in this scenario is

1347
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 2: that right there, that crossroads a fighter gets to where

1348
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm gonna take this fight and potentially lose

1349
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: my placement and all that, because not only do I

1350
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: need the money, but I need I need to be

1351
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: repaired and I'm not gonna be able to afford it. Now,

1352
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: that's a massive crossroads that we're at. That's that's connected

1353
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: to gambling, but not caused by it. But we'll have

1354
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: a spillover, there's no question about it.

1355
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's this is such a big problem, and people

1356
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 5: smarter than me are working on the solutions. For one,

1357
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 5: you definitely need to separate fighters from they can't be

1358
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 5: in the same room anymore. I think that's just a given.

1359
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 5: There's only so much you can do by telling people, Hey,

1360
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 5: you can't do it. James Krouse, here's a cautionary tale

1361
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,959
Speaker 5: of what not to do. I know we talk about

1362
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 5: fighter pay a lot on this show, sixteen percent revenue split,

1363
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 5: et cetera. I think a very simple way to boil

1364
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,479
Speaker 5: down just how little money these fighters make. I've talked

1365
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 5: to a few of them over the years. You know,

1366
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 5: if they start on a ten to ten or twelve

1367
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 5: twelve split. So let's say they go in there, they

1368
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 5: get twelve grand to show, they lose the fight, their

1369
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 5: training camp, paying all their sparring partners, their coaches, all

1370
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 5: that costs about twelve thousand dollars. So they're basically going

1371
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 5: in there getting beat up, not making a dime off

1372
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 5: of it. The other thing with even if you cover

1373
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 5: the fighters injury costs for camp, if fighters have to

1374
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 5: pull out more frequently because of injuries, because like we said,

1375
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 5: every fighter goes in there with injuries, you're not going

1376
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 5: to have UFC events. Like if you start paying for

1377
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 5: these guys surgeries and they say, Okay, I'm injured, I'm

1378
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 5: not going to fight, what product does the UFC have

1379
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 5: to ship because I don't think they're getting many fights.

1380
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1381
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: No, it's a great point. And I couldn't shout out

1382
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: the m a Analynks team over there at MMAI enough

1383
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: for sort of framing it as we all know that

1384
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: the rise of the Dana White Contender series, you know,

1385
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's a sil' it's this incubator that

1386
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: creates the onus on action, which Dana wants and loves,

1387
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: but it also, like you said, the ten and ten

1388
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: basic contract structure allows essentially a factory to produce aggressive, hungry,

1389
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: poorly paid people to come in fight, desperate to desperately

1390
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: seek again not like not always financial, you know, excessiveness,

1391
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: just being able to train in the day to day.

1392
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: There's so many things that are going to be are

1393
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: going to play off of the both the gambling and

1394
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: the injury side of this that yes, it is eventually

1395
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: going to lead to some type of monster crossroads where

1396
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: changes needed.

1397
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: Is that a fighter union?

1398
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, because it seems like it's impossible for

1399
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: the fighters to fight. I mean you almost feel like

1400
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 2: for something like that to happen, for a union to

1401
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: be created and stepped in, you would need like ninety

1402
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: percent of the roster to hold arms and not move

1403
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: and say we're not fighting until then, you know what

1404
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean. If it's anything less than that, the UF

1405
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: you can go, Okay, you guys are done. We got

1406
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: a whole new season of contender series coming in under

1407
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: this brand that are ready, and they're they're cheaper than ever.

1408
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's where it's at for UFC to

1409
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: keep these numbers in levels, you know, uh, financially in

1410
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: the direction they're going, which is making themselves crazy rich.

1411
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: But unfortunately it's really at the expense of the fighters,

1412
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: which is why anyone who has a feeling of fighter

1413
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: pay talk again.

1414
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: It's not going anywhere, and.

1415
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: It's only becoming more and more unpeeled the onion, and

1416
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: it's making us all cry shack, okay, because we do

1417
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: care about these people as people, not just warriors that

1418
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: we're throwing into the uh, into the Roman cage here.

1419
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I'm saying.

1420
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 3: Like it's it's I'm hurting. I'm hurting.

1421
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: Damn.

1422
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: All right, Well, how about this transition to topic number four? Uh,

1423
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: you got all that stuff with fighter pay gambling, and

1424
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: it's all connected with the ALI lacked and act and

1425
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: labor and all that stuff that's coming.

1426
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: We also got a scoring issue right.

1427
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: Now in general with the criteria and how it's being

1428
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: laid out. And the big name that's coming up is

1429
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: one Douglas Crosby.

1430
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: I did shack.

1431
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: Go back and read check Minten Hall's fantastic twenty fifteen

1432
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: feature on MMA fighting dot Com. From having spent time

1433
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: interviewing Crosby and getting inside the mind of the madman

1434
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: judge who I hadn't seen appear all the years on

1435
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: Chales podcast. I didn't know much about this guy being

1436
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: a you know all that stuff shack.

1437
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: The biggest problem with his.

1438
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: Recent scorecards the fifty to forty five ver Sabatello and

1439
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: Bellator the next night's placement that he had in the

1440
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, in the UFC card is that we're talking about.

1441
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: Does this guy even understand the criteria or is he

1442
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: using his own I believe we have sound here from

1443
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: respected coach Eric Nixon of Team Catuur in Las Vegas,

1444
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: and you know, MK fan himself love that guy about

1445
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: recently when Doug Crosby had to speak to.

1446
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: His gym or was it was it that a Jim

1447
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: Shack or I know?

1448
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: Also, the Nevada State Athletic Commission forces judges to join

1449
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: a zoom call with the coaches to better fully explain

1450
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: in the scoring criteria here. But here's nixic overall trying

1451
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: to understand Doug Crosby in real time with us. Who

1452
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: did you stop tipping with the judges because it seems

1453
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 2: like they're not onest side anymore.

1454
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 10: Man, man, I don't you know, you know, you know

1455
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 10: how it is, Angie's like you just you just never

1456
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 10: know week after week and and uh, the hard part

1457
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 10: is is there I feel like their their standards changed

1458
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 10: fight after fight, you know, and there there's there's a

1459
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 10: lack of consistency there. So you know, we we actually

1460
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 10: had a zoom meeting a few months back, and that

1461
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 10: was Nevada State Athletic Commission put together a zoom meeting

1462
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 10: with with a bunch of judges and A and A

1463
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 10: and a handful of of of MMA coaches. And the

1464
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 10: job with that was kind of like for us to

1465
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 10: be able to sit down and actually talk in men's

1466
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 10: fences and ask them questions and things like that. But

1467
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 10: you know, I mean, I'll be transparent with you guys.

1468
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 10: The number one outlier in that zoom meeting was Doug Crosby,

1469
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 10: Like you didn't want to be there, you know his

1470
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 10: his he felt combative in the meeting, like he didn't

1471
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 10: he thought like I don't know, guess I guess like

1472
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 10: he was above this meeting for for for us. You know,

1473
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 10: that's the way I came, I felt, and not only myself,

1474
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 10: but the other coaches that were involved in that meeting,

1475
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 10: and it was pretty evident. And then you know, then

1476
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 10: he wanted to come to the gym after and explain

1477
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 10: his version of judging. It was like, well, you can't.

1478
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 10: You're you're you're in a zoom meeting with all your superiors.

1479
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 10: Why do you need to come on your own to

1480
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 10: come to talk to us about what you see and

1481
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 10: what you feel is right in judging. You have that

1482
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 10: platform right then and there. So right like, I didn't

1483
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 10: let him in the well, I let him in the gym.

1484
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 10: I just left, you know. I was like, if you

1485
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 10: want to talk to whoever you want to talk to,

1486
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 10: but I'm not going to sign off on that, and

1487
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 10: I just took off, you know, so I in my mind,

1488
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 10: I was like, maybe he's mad at me.

1489
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: I don't know so.

1490
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, like you just

1491
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 10: can't have that sort of thing. I feel like it's

1492
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 10: just the inconsistencies of the sport. You know, we've seen

1493
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 10: this for years. We're going to talk about it again

1494
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,799
Speaker 10: come next week because there's going to be a bad decision,

1495
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 10: and you know, until there's on something that changes that,

1496
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 10: you know, we're just gonna be stuck in.

1497
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: This limbo.

1498
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: Shack.

1499
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: Shout out Eric Nixon there appearing on the MMA show

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Speaker 2: on Sirius XM. A lot of people now are talking

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: about this raffe on Statts went off on Crosby on

1502
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: Aerials show. We also have a quote here from Chris

1503
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: Curtis on on Crosby showing up to his gym, and

1504
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 2: he essentially said that every act, every question he asked Crosby,

1505
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: Crosby answered back with a question, very Jesus, Like, here's

1506
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: the quote from Curtis. Though I'm trying to get an answer,

1507
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,879
Speaker 2: not have this philosophical mister miagi effing debate my family's

1508
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 2: southern I'm super respectful, especially when an elder is speaking.

1509
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: I literally walked the f out of his conversation, like

1510
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous, So check.

1511
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, we could continue.

1512
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: To laugh at length of the cowboy ways in which

1513
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 2: Douglas Crosby operates, But this is connected to that larger

1514
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: picture of you know, when a fighter gets a poor decision, boy,

1515
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: does it affect them financially under the UFC's pay structure,

1516
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: And the whole idea of betting in integrity of the

1517
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: sport is pretty big. UFC doesn't specifically control this though.

1518
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: This is the commissions that produce the officials. How important

1519
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: is it to remove a spirit like Doug Crosby? Moving forward,

1520
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: we are twenty twenty three, coming up upon God, I

1521
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: don't want to debate any more a scoring.

1522
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: I just want to get the system right.

1523
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so, I mean, matter of fact, if it's

1524
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 5: not a judge's job in that moment on fight night

1525
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 5: to debate the merits of the scoring criteria or how

1526
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 5: it should be scored. It is the judge's job to

1527
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 5: score based on what the criteria says. So if Doug

1528
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 5: Crosby has protests, complaints, concerns, criticisms, amendments that he wants

1529
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 5: to make to the criteria, that is fine, but that

1530
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 5: is not his role.

1531
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: On fight night.

1532
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 5: It is to judge as the criteria states. I did

1533
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 5: this feature for CBS Sports a Cup months ago on

1534
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 5: why judging is still so broken and confusing an MMA.

1535
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 5: We talked to Big John McCarthy. We talked to fellow

1536
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 5: MKLM Aaron Braunstetter, who has taken the judging course. Mark Rattner,

1537
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 5: Executive vice President of Regulatory Affairs at the UFC, formerly

1538
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 5: with the I think director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

1539
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 5: There's really three things that comes down to inconsistency, accountability,

1540
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 5: and education. The first two, there is basically no barrier

1541
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 5: to entry beyond taking the course to being a judge

1542
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 5: in MMA. If the guy the commission likes you, you're

1543
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 5: basically and that's a coordinate John McCarthy.

1544
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: The other thing is, and I think this ties.

1545
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 5: Into why it's so confusing, is that the commissions traditionally

1546
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 5: haven't applied these updated rule sets from twenty seventeen.

1547
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: Equally.

1548
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 5: Both Aaron and John sort of independently suggested, you know,

1549
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 5: Aaron said that in twenty seventeen, when the new scoring

1550
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 5: criteria was applied that evoked more ten rounds, we were

1551
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 5: seeing it happen almost across the board until roughly the

1552
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 5: Easy versus Belahovic fight, where UFC President Dana White apparently

1553
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 5: took issue with the scoring. Aaron noticed that after that,

1554
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 5: you weren't seeing as many ten eights in Nevada. Big

1555
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 5: John kind of had around that date circled and said

1556
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: that Dana White got upset, and ever since Dana got upset,

1557
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 5: that a scaled back ten eights. We started seeing them

1558
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 5: return to it again with this past pay per view.

1559
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 5: So the problem is that these judges are not applying

1560
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 5: the scoring criteria universally and equally. I get Luke's point

1561
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 5: that if the scoring criteria is this complicated that maybe

1562
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 5: it needs to change. I agree to some degree, but

1563
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 5: I'd also present that scoring an mma I don't think

1564
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 5: can ever be quite as simple as scoring and boxing,

1565
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 5: just based on the variety of skills and tools at play,

1566
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 5: what effective grappling versus effective strike as I think that's

1567
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 5: always going to cause issue. But I think fundamentally the

1568
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 5: biggest issue of all is that there's very little oversight

1569
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 5: as to who is judging. There is no uniformity across

1570
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 5: the board of how it's being applied, and nothing's ever

1571
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 5: done to these judges who are drawing out bad scorecards.

1572
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 5: At the very least, have a commission rap sit down

1573
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 5: with the media if you don't want to have the

1574
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 5: judges do it.

1575
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: And just field questions.

1576
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 5: Aaron had a great idea have someone like Saldemato on

1577
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 5: the broadcast who can explain scoring to the fans. There

1578
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,520
Speaker 5: just needs to be something done to keep the process

1579
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 5: more streamlined from start to finish.

1580
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you're preaching to the choir with all the

1581
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: issues here, but I think a lot of the issues

1582
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: is Luke Affin Rantz does point back to the commissions

1583
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 2: who don't always have the best reputation.

1584
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: At outlawing their own.

1585
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 2: I do like in reaction to the back to back

1586
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: questionable scorecards from Crosby that Andy Foster or the California

1587
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: Stay Athletic Commission change their rules to basically say, if

1588
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to judge a fight on

1589
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 2: can secutive nights and you're in California, you can't go

1590
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: further than Nevada. You can't do across me Dad, which

1591
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: is being Connecticut, get on the plane the next night

1592
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: and be in a premier spot in Nevada.

1593
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: You're right, there's no uniformity state to state.

1594
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: How many times did we used to hear the UFC

1595
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: broadcast open with on it going, well, tonight's card and

1596
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: insert state is under this rules. It's like, it's all bullshit.

1597
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: We're too far into the process. UFC is too important

1598
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 2: to have these things that are in theory out of

1599
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: their control up end up pausing monster debate issues, financial

1600
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: change in terms of who wins and loses I mean

1601
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: they got they meaning the sport. They gotta get a

1602
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: handle on this. And I've never been against all the

1603
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: things we always debate, go to five judges for title fights,

1604
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff you want to do, change

1605
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 2: the scoring system altogether.

1606
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't see any change though.

1607
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: I don't see any promotion going, hey, we're gonna start this.

1608
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:54,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna.

1609
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: Test this new scoring system on this regional promotion with

1610
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 2: the help of the Nevada Stay Athletic Commission to see.

1611
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: If I don't see any of that, check Okay, So

1612
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: I just see a lot of people making money.

1613
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,520
Speaker 1: But whatever, I can't.

1614
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 3: Well, sorry to wrap up on my end.

1615
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 5: If Big John is correct that it was pressure from

1616
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,919
Speaker 5: the UFC and Dana White for Nevada to stop following

1617
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 5: their own scoring criteria, yes, when do we do, like

1618
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 5: it's so broken and it cannot be fixed. If the

1619
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 5: people who are responsible for applying the criteria, if true,

1620
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 5: have said we're not gonna do it, what do you

1621
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 5: do about that?

1622
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we got some issues here. I mean the

1623
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: UFC persevered.

1624
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: I thought this was a great year, by the way,

1625
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 2: and we are consistently getting great fights.

1626
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: But topic five is one more thing that might be

1627
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: out of.

1628
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: The UFC's hands into some degree, but it is a larger,

1629
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: growing issue with some fans. How about this, UFC going

1630
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: to raise pay per view prices once again, Now I

1631
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,959
Speaker 2: say out of their hands because this is a decision

1632
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 2: made by ESPN Plus and Disney, But starting with UFC

1633
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: two eighty three, pay per views will now be raised

1634
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: to seventy nine to ninety nine. That's an increase from

1635
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: the current price of seventy four ninety nine. You can insert,

1636
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: of course, that famous day and a White quote when

1637
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: the deal with ESPN, the landmark deal was signed about

1638
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: what a great value this will be for fans. Unfortunately,

1639
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: this is the fourth price increase since he said that,

1640
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 2: since ESPN's has signed with the UFC in twenty nineteen.

1641
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: So shack also. ESPN Plus, the subscription.

1642
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: Service of course required to watch UFC pay per views,

1643
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 2: recently raised its price for its base service forty three

1644
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: percent in August, from six to ninety nine a month

1645
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: to nine ninety month nine a month. So the math

1646
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 2: experts out there are telling me that if you're paying

1647
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: nine to ninety nine a month for ESPN Plus, then

1648
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: now seventy nine to ninety nine for every pay per

1649
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: view you're gonna pay one thousand and seventy nine dollars

1650
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: and seventy six cents for the calendar year?

1651
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: Is that you know? I mean, it's still great. It's

1652
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: fricking good.

1653
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the basis of our show, Shack. We

1654
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: love the UFC, right, But you okay with that?

1655
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: You're okay with that at the end of the day.

1656
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: I mean not every pay per view is worth eighty dollars,

1657
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: you know, as a bob. And there's too many boxing

1658
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: pay per views and a lot of them aren't worth it.

1659
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that right out front. You know a

1660
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: lot of them are, though, But is this is this?

1661
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 2: How far is too far on this?

1662
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1663
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 5: Well, let me first, as a representative of the Great

1664
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 5: White North, express my sympathies. Because I don't have to

1665
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 5: pay a subscription. I just go to UFC fight pass.

1666
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 5: I dropped the equivalent of about fifty US I got

1667
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 5: in the fight. So I'm sorry to hear that.

1668
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 3: For the year or for the event, no per fight, per.

1669
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 5: Event, but I don't there's no subscription fee. I just

1670
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 5: pay the fan.

1671
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: But with the exchange rate in Looney's.

1672
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: That's probably the same in the end, check right.

1673
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1674
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 5: So here's the problem. If it makes dollars, it makes sense.

1675
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 5: I'm sure the big wigs at ESPN have gone through

1676
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 5: the math. My estimation is that a lot of hardcore

1677
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 5: fans are going to fall under one of two brackets.

1678
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 5: Either they pirate all the streams so this does not affect.

1679
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: Them at all, or that's a league.

1680
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm you didn't hear. I'm not telling you where to street.

1681
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: That's talking illegal.

1682
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 5: I love the throwbacks, there's a there's a there's a

1683
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 5: few good ones we could bust out here. On the

1684
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 5: other end, if you're morally opposed to pirating and you're

1685
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 5: a big UFC fan, unless you're being priced out, you're

1686
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 5: probably just going to pay for it. The reason I

1687
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 5: think they're doing this is because generally where the most

1688
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 5: money comes in on pay per views is from the

1689
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 5: casual audience. Right, So the ca they're either going to

1690
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 5: a bar or watch with their friends where the restaurant

1691
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 5: has packaged a certain price deal for them to air

1692
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 5: that at their venue, or you've already decided in advance

1693
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 5: with your buddies, hey let's get together orders and pizza

1694
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 5: by the fight.

1695
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: So I think for the.

1696
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 5: Casual market, they're probably going to tune in based on

1697
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 5: the fights and the names that interest them, and the

1698
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 5: price is kind of a secondary issue for the.

1699
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 3: Casual for the main street.

1700
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 5: Sorry for the hardcore fan base these are there isn't

1701
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 5: affecting them at all because of the way they're getting

1702
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 5: the content, or if they're really dedicated, they might just

1703
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 5: have to phoney up. So it sucks. It's awful. I

1704
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 5: hate it for you guys. I'm sure eventually it's gonna

1705
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 5: catch up to me. But I'm sure that they're doing

1706
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 5: this knowing that they're not gonna lose enough of their

1707
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 5: audience to offset the price increase, right.

1708
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I also can't go overly ham about

1709
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: this because I'm expensing pay per views and have shack

1710
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: since like, you know, two thousand and eight in terms

1711
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 2: of the jobs I had at the time. And before that, yeah,

1712
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: I had an legal box, so you know the old

1713
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: nineties black box is that that gave you the free one.

1714
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: So I'm maybe not the perfect customer for this, But

1715
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: can they prove that.

1716
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 4: In a court of law that I did check?

1717
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can, but the deal is

1718
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: with this.

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01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: The only thing I'm concerned about is sort of the

1720
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 2: direction that the company's going since the ESPN deal, which

1721
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: we've talked about a lot of the idea that you know,

1722
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 2: they are financially motivated to fulfill the ESPN deal rather than.

1723
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: Make the biggest fight possible.

1724
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they're not going to make the biggest

1725
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: fight possible when it's there, or the biggest fight card possible,

1726
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: but because they're getting the equivalent of five hundred thousand

1727
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: buys per pay per view card from endeavor, I'm sorry

1728
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: from ESPN to put on these cards. Boy, is that

1729
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: a nice fallback to, you know, if fights fall apart

1730
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 2: or you don't have to overly pad up and we

1731
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: already know that fighter pay wise, if you're gonna get

1732
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: a big name atop of the card like McGregor, you're

1733
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 2: gonna see a pretty barren undercard underneath that. And we've

1734
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: sort of become accustomed to that. That's a boxing move.

1735
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: But that's then, Yes, it all aligns with some other

1736
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: disturbing trends, which is, you know, most of these pay

1737
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: per view cards are filled with guys straight off the

1738
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: Contender series, so it's great opportunity for them, and they

1739
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: come in hungry and they produced incredible finishes that make

1740
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: them candidates for money Lions, Hammer of the Month, which

1741
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: I'll get second.

1742
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: But the whole point is shack that.

1743
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1744
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: It's like, I love the that they're in this point

1745
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: financial stability. Of course, UFC being on ESPN like it's great,

1746
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: but that whole change about their financial structure. It's like,

1747
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: you know, card to card, the pay per view is

1748
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: still frigging strong, but are we overall heading in a

1749
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: direction that's not wonderful?

1750
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: Slowly but surely we are.

1751
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just maybe that's inevitable because at the

1752
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 2: end of the day, check if the fighters are one

1753
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 2: day going to get paid and get what they deserve.

1754
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: It's going to affect matchmaking. That's just the bottom line.

1755
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 2: The UFC has an unprecedented level of control over their athletes,

1756
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: but this price increase UFC's new financial motto and direction

1757
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 2: after the ESPN deal. Things are different, man, And they're

1758
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: not trying to make up. It doesn't feel like they're

1759
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: trying to build these pay per view stars individually with

1760
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: the same passion and energy.

1761
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 5: Well, I think they saw with Connor McGregor's rise the

1762
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: downfall of that like even though it wasn't a ton,

1763
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 5: Connor got an unprecedented amount of leverage on the UFC

1764
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 5: shout out to. What I think is the best moment

1765
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 5: of twenty twenty two is when they try to take

1766
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 5: the old dog out back in Nate Daz and just

1767
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 5: have a mould by the wolf hamzat chamayav and on

1768
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 5: missus wait and a Diaz is like at that, I'm

1769
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 5: not fighting him.

1770
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 3: It was beautiful to see.

1771
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 5: It was by far the best thing that happened to

1772
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 5: me in twenty twenty two, aside from getting engaged.

1773
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 3: I don't want to get in trouble there.

1774
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 2: Well, not all the good things can last forever, so

1775
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: hopefully your marriage can't out shout out to that. That

1776
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 2: just means you know, UFC will adjust, they always do.

1777
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: But interesting developments. As we sort of close up the

1778
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 2: storylines of this week's news cycle, which have echoed in

1779
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: general this whole year in this direction, we're moving heading

1780
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty three, a lot more to watch, but

1781
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: UFC still delivering on the whole. Couldn't be happier in

1782
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 2: that regard. But Shack, we try to point out. We're

1783
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 2: gonna point out the scabs on the ass cheek. That's

1784
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: what we do, okay in this game, Shack.

1785
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Hey, it's money lionses.

1786
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 2: And right now we know about money Line, one of

1787
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 2: our favorite sponsors, and you know they know how to

1788
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 2: do money so you know when you're talking about the

1789
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: money Lion app. We're getting closer to that end of

1790
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: the month. We now have the nominees for the second

1791
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 2: Hammer of the month to be handed down by our

1792
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: friends of money Line, Aaron Blanchfield, the recent room service

1793
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 2: diaries get got the first call. Every week we look

1794
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 2: at these undercard, Shack or the opening of these main cards,

1795
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 2: which young fighters and then be young Which fighter is

1796
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: just coming on jumping through your screen making noise making

1797
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 2: me want to put them in my cupboard of Eastern

1798
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 2: European hammers and bring it out. But they don't have

1799
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: to be from Eastern Europe, Shack. It's that spirit that

1800
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: we're talking about. So how about we reveal the nominees

1801
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: right now, Ilia Tuporia, Woo, Patchie Mix, Roman Dealidze and

1802
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: my man Billy Q on that incredible comeback when he

1803
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: just recently had You want to vote to see who wins.

1804
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: How about you go to moneyline dot com slash Morning Combat.

1805
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 2: You can scan the QR code below find out more information.

1806
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: Of course, you can share your vote on social media

1807
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Speaker 2: at money Lion on Twitter, at money Lion Inc. On Instagram.

1808
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 2: Use that hashtag hammer the month. You can use holy

1809
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: amm or just the same. But one day left to vote,

1810
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: so head on over to moneyline dot com slash Morning

1811
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: Combat right now to find out more information.

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Speaker 1: Shack, out of those four, you got a favorite in

1813
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: that stable.

1814
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: Wout a doubt Ilia Taporia.

1815
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 5: That dude can bang and people forget because he doesn't

1816
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 5: need to use it because he's knocking out fools left

1817
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 5: and right. The bad Guy's first seven pro wins were

1818
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 5: all by submission. I called it this is that fight

1819
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 5: is my Tyron Woodley, Darren Till. I said, Bryce Mitchell

1820
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 5: is going to have nothing for Ilia Taporia. And I

1821
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 5: was right, and I did not win CBS Sports twenty

1822
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 5: twenty two Prediction Cycle. I did beat you, Brian Campbell,

1823
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you. I don't want to go dead

1824
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 5: last like it was looking for a while my debut.

1825
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: Year, Till Woodley, I really really appreciate that. Absolutely, Shack

1826
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 2: those are our five topics of the week. We of

1827
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 2: course love you filling in here for the ill back shortly,

1828
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 2: but we wanted to close the show not with you know,

1829
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 2: probably a blackout there on the screen there. We I

1830
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 2: don't want to close the show with uh with have

1831
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 2: you seen this shit? Fan stubs. We'll get all that

1832
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: stuff caught up when Luca's here. But we did have

1833
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 2: an unfortunate passing in the MMA community and somebody whose

1834
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: name has meant a lot to a lot of us

1835
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 2: as fans in terms of when we came into the sport,

1836
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: and somebody who certainly had such a major impact on

1837
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: the UFC's growth. That's Stefan Bonner, who passed away December

1838
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: twenty second at the age of forty five. In a

1839
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 2: UFC statement, it sort of said that the belief here

1840
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: is that he had a heart issue while at work.

1841
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 2: We know that Stephan Bonner, as a retired fighter, has

1842
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 2: undergone some personal issues along the way, involving substance abuse,

1843
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: injury and all that. But Shaq, when we're talking about

1844
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: a legend in the history of books, here's the statement

1845
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 2: Dana White and UFC put out about what Stefan Bonner

1846
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 2: means legacy wise to this company, Stephan Bonner was one

1847
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 2: of the most important fighters to ever compete in the octagon.

1848
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: Dana said his fight with forst Griffin changed the sport

1849
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 2: forever and he will never be forgotten. The fans love him,

1850
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 2: they related to him, and he always gave his best.

1851
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 2: He will be missed.

1852
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Shack.

1853
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 2: I think Dana actually did sum up exactly across the

1854
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 2: board what Stefan Bonner brought from the colorful personality, the

1855
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: willingness to exchange. But you see the picture of him

1856
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 2: and Forest Griffin, they'll be forever link you can never

1857
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean really it gets romanticized and almost mytholized or

1858
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 2: whatever word that means. But the idea of Bonnard Griffin

1859
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 2: won the first tough finale and what that meant to

1860
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: the company at that time on cable TV trying to

1861
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: stay alive. That's a big reason why this great brawl

1862
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 2: is in the UFC Hall of Fame and was one

1863
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: of the first choices, which is why Stephan Bonner can

1864
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: be called the UFC Hall of Famer today. But when

1865
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 2: you think, you know, even separate from the impact of

1866
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: that Forrest Griffin fight, what do you think about when

1867
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 2: you hear a name like Stephan Bonner gone way too soon.

1868
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1869
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 5: On the note of the fight itself, I mean, guys,

1870
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 5: if you're not aware, like the way Dana White elevates

1871
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,799
Speaker 5: that fight like he's indebted to Stefan Bonn and forst Griffin,

1872
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 5: that finale is what changed their entire trajectory on TV.

1873
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 5: They signed the deal for another season a tough that

1874
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 5: it was all going downhill. So please remember what Bonner

1875
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 5: and Griffin did for the content that you're watching today.

1876
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 5: My favorite thing about Stephan Bonner I actually went back,

1877
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 5: because I believe it or not, it was a little.

1878
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 3: Before my time.

1879
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 5: I went back and watched The Ultimate Fighter one start

1880
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 5: to finish, and that guy had so much personality, kind

1881
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 5: of a bro a little bit provocative if you'd like

1882
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 5: to poke the bear. But there's a scene, a scene

1883
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 5: stealing scene where he's just going in on Diego Sanchez

1884
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 5: for eating all the asparagus in the house. Make some

1885
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 5: suggestions that maybe he banged Diego's mom, like it was

1886
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 5: such an unnecessary escalation over some vegetables. But it's one

1887
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 5: of my favorite all time tough moments. I know we

1888
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 5: hear about, you know, let me bang bro all the time,

1889
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 5: but Stephan made that season. He's one of the contributing

1890
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 5: factors to why all the behind the scenes stuff was

1891
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 5: so much fun.

1892
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: And he was always that personality when I was working

1893
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 2: at ESPN and working behind the scenes on the very

1894
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: beloved MMA Live show, which was, you know, one of

1895
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: the big four runners in UFC coverage going on that

1896
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 2: national crossover level. Stephan Bonner was one of my favorite

1897
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 2: analysts that would be brought in to talk to him

1898
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: off camera to.

1899
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Laugh with him.

1900
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: He was the ultimate pro shack and he has such

1901
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: an interesting legacy for a guy who never did get

1902
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: to the level of being an elite or title contending fighter.

1903
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 2: You know, I'll never forget the image of him slumping

1904
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: after he finds out he lost against Griffin the decision

1905
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 2: after that incredible brawl, but then get you know, finding

1906
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: out that he's also getting the contract. One of Dana's

1907
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 2: greatest moments of them delivering that to him. And you know,

1908
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: I mean, he was an eight and six overall in

1909
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 2: the UFC fifteen and nine overall in his pro career,

1910
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: which ended in twenty fourteen under the Belatur, Banner lost

1911
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: to teit Ortiz that will likely forget. But it's like

1912
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: it's not overrun with a ton of wins. But maybe

1913
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: you know because in a lot of ways, the impact

1914
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 2: of the Griffin fight and because damn did he always

1915
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: go in there and let his hands go.

1916
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: He was always a very well fighter.

1917
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 2: Was early, like I mentioned, in terms of trying to

1918
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 2: create a broadcast career on the side, was a great

1919
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: representative of who the UFC was. Is this, you know,

1920
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: raw on the edges, young, upstart promotion and sport in

1921
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: a lot of ways of trying to take that to

1922
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: the national level.

1923
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: When you look back at his career.

1924
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 2: Okay, he did beat Keith Jardine, he beat did beat

1925
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 2: James Irvin, fought a lot of the biggest names but

1926
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: fell off. But Shack I love and we played a

1927
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: little picture of that. I would say UFC one sixteen,

1928
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 2: which was of course Carwin versus Lesnar is you know,

1929
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: my really my favorite pay per view card in UFC history.

1930
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: That main card in particular was just magic. You know,

1931
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: Libin's rallying against Akayama. But don't forget about that rematch

1932
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Stefan Bonner against Christoph Shasinsky. Bonner had been stopped in

1933
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: their first fight, which was earlier that year in twenty ten.

1934
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 2: But the heart Bonner showed in rallying in that rematch

1935
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: to get the stoppage win in round two, which by

1936
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 2: the way ended a three fight losing skid for Bonner,

1937
01:30:58,360 --> 01:30:59,839
Speaker 2: So that you know, that could have been a disaster

1938
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 2: lost in his arc. That was probably, in hindsight of

1939
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: my opinion, the best of Bonner the mountaintop moment.

1940
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: That's exactly who he is.

1941
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 2: Short of the performance against Griffin in twenty fifteen, which

1942
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 2: was so you know, monumental, but that was the start

1943
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: of a three fight win streak for him to end

1944
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 2: his UFC career.

1945
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: He was never great. It was pretty damn good.

1946
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 3: Check. Yeah, I mean, let's not brush over.

1947
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 5: You know, when you say eight to six, it sounds

1948
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 5: sort of mediocre. But five of those guys that he

1949
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 5: lost to UFC champions Anderson Silva, Forrest Griffin, Leoto, Mitchill. Sorry,

1950
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 5: there's Lioto Mitchie to fight in Jungle Fight pre dating

1951
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 5: the UFC, but there's also John Jones, Rashad Evans, and.

1952
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 3: That was a close fight. Chack Mr Coleman Sports former

1953
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 3: champion Mark Coleman.

1954
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 5: So he's not going out there and losing to nobody's.

1955
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 5: He's going out there with a ton of heart and

1956
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 5: indomitable spirit, a willingness to fight the very, very best guys.

1957
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 3: In the sport.

1958
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 5: And there's a reason that though he doesn't have a

1959
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 5: UFC title to his name, we remember him when we

1960
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 5: think about fight those eras like Silva, Griff and Rashaw Tito.

1961
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,480
Speaker 3: We do think about Steffan.

1962
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: Bonner absolutely, and that three fight win streak I mentioned

1963
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: which led up to the end of his UFC run.

1964
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: It got him Shack a fight that I think we

1965
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 2: were surprised when it was announced. If you remember his

1966
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 2: pay per view main event role opposite Anderson Silva. It

1967
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: was October of twenty twelve. It was UFC one fifty

1968
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 2: three in Rio. It was like a stay busy one off,

1969
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, as Anderson would do up at two o five.

1970
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: And he of course did the dance on Forced Griffin previously.

1971
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: James Irvin of course as well, when they were kunt

1972
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 2: of promoting against Strike Force that time. But Shack, here's

1973
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 2: what I'll always say. I mean, he got finished in

1974
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 2: the first round by Anderson Silva. He made a big error.

1975
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 2: I think he tried some spinny shit and.

1976
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 3: Got caught, got need.

1977
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 2: But there's two things about that fight and the best

1978
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: things to respect that I always did respect. I mean,

1979
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: that's Bonner's moment, mountaintop moment, separate from the origin that

1980
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: the ultimate fighter at finale.

1981
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't win, This.

1982
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Wasn't a title fight, but he got himself into the

1983
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: b side of a pay per view and you know what, Shack,

1984
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 2: he left no stone unturned. Yeah, he doped and got

1985
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,679
Speaker 2: caught for the second time. Was a suspended post fight

1986
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 2: for his positive test to dress stand alone.

1987
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's in the windstrawl category. But Shack, he

1988
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: was both.

1989
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 2: Jacked and tanned as shit in that fight. So if

1990
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,799
Speaker 2: you're gonna have your mountaintop moment, and yeah, he cheated

1991
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: and got caught and maybe didn't have a ton of

1992
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 2: chance in that fight to begin with, style wise, but

1993
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: I'll always respect that Bonner went all in and got

1994
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: all dolled up for that and tried his best and

1995
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 2: went out on some failed spinny shit. That's sort of

1996
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 2: again also who he was, and maybe in some regard

1997
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 2: Shack that that thing that we're celebrating. He's like the

1998
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 2: perfect Dana White fighter, come in, hands down, chin out,

1999
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,440
Speaker 2: throwing bombs, right. You know that quirkiness in his personality

2000
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: maybe that led in some degree to some of the

2001
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 2: rough moments he had down the stretch in recent years.

2002
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 2: You know, he tried to pro wrestling crossover at one point.

2003
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: Remember the rough interviews that he put out and the

2004
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 2: issues he had with medical care and all that.

2005
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: It was tough to see it end like that. I

2006
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: did see Sean Strickland, current UFC.

2007
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 2: Middlewait come out with an interesting video which at first

2008
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 2: offended me, but I did kind of get that spirit

2009
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 2: where he came out and said, you know, instead of

2010
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: everybody posted on social media the picture of the one

2011
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 2: time they met him, where was everybody when Bonner needed

2012
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 2: him in recent years? And obviously none of us know

2013
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 2: the true day to day situation unless where close to

2014
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 2: Bonner at where he was.

2015
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: But check.

2016
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 2: I do think in general it's like there's a lot

2017
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 2: of unhappy endings in combat sports. I'm sure that you

2018
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 2: know this won't be the last of them, as somebody

2019
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 2: gone too soon who was beloved but then had a

2020
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 2: rough stretch toward the end there. I don't know what

2021
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 2: UFC's responsibility in any of that, and a larger picture

2022
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 2: is you know, remember they gave Cake lifetime jobs to

2023
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 2: Ladell and Matt Hughes to basically retire, and then yeah,

2024
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 2: those were rescinded upon the Endeavor deal and the fallout

2025
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 2: of that.

2026
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't you know, I don't want to

2027
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: play up.

2028
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 2: The Strickling thing too much because it was kind of

2029
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 2: crass at the same time, but I do get his

2030
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: spirit and I do wish I mean, you know, it

2031
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 2: took NFL players a long time to do a big

2032
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 2: lawsuit and finally get some type of post career love

2033
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: and compensation and medical care and all that. Is there

2034
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 2: more UFC should be doing for their heroes like.

2035
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: This that did so much for them.

2036
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 5: Certainly, as with all things, like I don't know, Sean

2037
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 5: Strickland is the best deliverer of information, but there is

2038
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 5: a point to some degree, right, Like if you were

2039
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 5: close to Stefan Bonner, or if you were the UFC

2040
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 5: who has the means by which to support these fighters

2041
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 5: who gave so much at the tail end of their career.

2042
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 5: There absolutely should be some sort of long term healthcare

2043
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 5: or fun for these UFC fighters. Now, if you're a

2044
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 5: fan who met Stefan Bonner once and took a picture

2045
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 5: and had a pleasant encounter. I don't know how much

2046
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 5: of an impact or imprint you're going to have on

2047
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 5: his personal life or what ability you realistically have to

2048
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 5: pull him out of whatever he's in. To that, I

2049
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 5: would say, I don't think Stefan Bonner would want to

2050
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 5: be remembered most for his down times. I think he

2051
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 5: would want to be celebrated for how much he gave

2052
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 5: to the sport of MMA. So if you're not close

2053
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,919
Speaker 5: to Stefan Bonner one hundred percent, you should be celebrating.

2054
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 5: If you're close to him and you think you did

2055
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 5: your best to support him and it wasn't enough. It

2056
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 5: happens in life, unfortunately.

2057
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 3: But if you're the.

2058
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 5: UFC, I really hope there because at the time where

2059
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 5: they are forcing the position to take care of their

2060
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 5: fighters because they're not taking great care of them during

2061
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 5: their careers and they're taking no care of them after

2062
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 5: the fact.

2063
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot to think about with that.

2064
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 2: But as sad as this news isn't in this tragic

2065
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 2: it didn't take long for me to put a smile

2066
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 2: on my face. And that's because really like the spirit

2067
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: of the people that did post the picture of the

2068
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 2: one time they met him, and they loved him.

2069
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: Man, Bonner made you like him.

2070
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: He was a great character, and I think more of

2071
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 2: all those great moments they delivered on camera and off.

2072
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just such a lively spirit in damn.

2073
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of my favorite fighters. Shaky.

2074
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's like the bar room brawler that that

2075
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: walked into the elite UFC cage and tough to see man,

2076
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 2: tough to see. You know, it's you know, it's no different.

2077
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's no different in the NFL. It's no

2078
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: different in any sport where you can get short periods

2079
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 2: of big windfall. But there's a lot of tax to

2080
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 2: pay on that, and you know, who knows how it

2081
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 2: was related to this situation. But rest in peace, Stephan Bonner.

2082
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 2: You gave us a lot and we love you back.

2083
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: In return, Shaquille MAJORI, we love you as well. Sliding

2084
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 2: in for Luke Thomas today, I mentioned your shack MMA channel.

2085
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: You do great pro wrestling work. You want to plug

2086
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: things here, plug some shit.

2087
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:37,919
Speaker 5: Okay, let's plug away for the benefit of this audience

2088
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 5: and for myself. Don't worry about the wrestling stuff. I

2089
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 5: don't want to bore you. Shack MMA on YouTube. That's

2090
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 5: where you'll get all of my interviews. We've got recent

2091
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 5: ones with Yeri Prahatschka that I think went really well,

2092
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 5: Jamal Hill, aj McKee, Patterco Pitbull should be live. I

2093
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 5: think at about eleven am two pm Pacific today you

2094
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 5: can check out the car rap that was my Patty

2095
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 5: Pimblet interview. Always fun to see something go just absolutely terrible.

2096
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: Hey, you got in the news cycle about this whole

2097
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:06,799
Speaker 2: aerial fallout.

2098
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: I saw that.

2099
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 3: Check. Yeah, I don't.

2100
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 5: Someone's like, oh, you really should have grilled him more.

2101
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 5: You should have really pushed into the aerial stuff. I'm like,

2102
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 5: I like, Ariel's been a great help to me in

2103
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 5: my career. I'm not gonna just sit here and like

2104
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 5: be a platform for Patty to just crap on somebody

2105
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 5: who can't talk back. But you know, you got to

2106
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 5: ask the question. At least I threw it out there.

2107
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 5: It was a bad interview. He told me I knew

2108
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 5: nothing about fighting because I suggested that he got hurt

2109
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 5: in that Luigi Benjamini fight, which, yeah, I think.

2110
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,839
Speaker 2: That'll always be the free The famous response Roger Mayweather,

2111
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: you don't know shit about boxing.

2112
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Floyd Senior says the same. I mean, look, look that

2113
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: you know we don't. We didn't fight checks cutting away.

2114
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 3: It's okay, I got it.

2115
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: It's just what it is.

2116
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 2: Okay, they will never get their respect.

2117
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 4: That's fine. But I love those guys just to.

2118
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: Say, Shack, you do great work. You're hungry, you go

2119
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: after it.

2120
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 2: We appreciate the times that you cross our space and

2121
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 2: help us out. Love your work on CBS Sports. So

2122
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 2: enjoy there, Luke Thomas, hope you make it back and

2123
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 2: feel great.

2124
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: You will be back with a bang.

2125
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 2: I know that, And by bang, I don't necessarily mean

2126
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: your brand of energy drink choice, since you're more of

2127
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:12,440
Speaker 2: a rain guy lately.

2128
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 4: Decrept it.

2129
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm the gas station guy. This guy lives

2130
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 2: and lives in a vapen but you know it makes

2131
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 2: him happy. At the end of the day, you can

2132
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: buy our merch there at Morningcombat dot sorshek. Have they

2133
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: mailed you anything you deserve? You know you deserve a

2134
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 2: smile today.

2135
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 3: Check out you guys, or do you?

2136
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we could probably I.

2137
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 5: Got nothing, but I get my clips played. Shout out

2138
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 5: to Mikey and you and Brian you and Luke excuse me,

2139
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 5: and I will be now taking AG one so I

2140
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 5: don't end up like the two of you.

2141
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: You can get Showtime, by the way, because you're gonna

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Speaker 2: need it Saturday night, Bellator versus Rising. It's going down

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Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern only on Showtime. I think Shack faded

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Speaker 2: to black there, but he did great until then. You

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Speaker 2: can get thirty days three right now going to Showtime

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Speaker 2: dot com. And you know, how about that holiday deal

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Speaker 2: six months at three ninety nine. I mean, could you

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Speaker 2: do better than that? I don't really think you can,

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Speaker 2: all right, and this is fantastic content. I mean just

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Speaker 2: announced January twentieth, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Showboxes.

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Speaker 1: Back your boy BC on the call.

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Speaker 2: So six unbeaten fighters across that tripleheader, Bellator coming up,

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Speaker 2: more championship boxing to come. We'll keep you updated on

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Speaker 2: the fallout of what went on with Davonte Davis overnight

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Speaker 2: and how that does affect next Saturday's pay per view

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Speaker 2: fight still up in the air now unfortunate news, though,

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Speaker 2: We'll keep you posted on that regard. Thank you, very

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Speaker 2: much for tuning in this Wednesday we made it. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to Gaff Pierre, Long Island, Luke Noseda on the

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Speaker 2: ones and twos, Mikey Morms and my folks there behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes, Malchael Showtime, CBS Sports. We're gonna be out

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Speaker 2: of here with two more words and please guys take

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Speaker 2: care of it up here. Enjoy this time off if

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Speaker 2: you're doing that. New Year's are coming, no limits.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be the year that you get

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Speaker 2: in shape. It's also going to be the year you

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Speaker 2: get happy. Okay, Okay, we'll be there along the way.

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Speaker 2: If Wednesday eighth final plug. It's MK in the UK

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat headlining the podcast festival known as pod Live,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by the Sports podcast group There in London.

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Speaker 2: We were twenty twenty two's best sports podcast. We are

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Speaker 2: gonna be doing a live show at King's Place in London.

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Speaker 2: There's only five hundred seats. The tickets are are flying

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Speaker 2: off a lot of holiday gifts US tickets here, so

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Speaker 2: go to this QR code at the bottom scan it.

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Speaker 2: More information there in the description on YouTube. We were

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Speaker 2: gonna need to see you there. We're gonna have special

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Speaker 2: guests that will be announced bclt UK MK. It's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: We can do this together. Hopefully my Welshman will show

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Speaker 2: up and induct me. I don't know what kind of initiation.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fraternity guy, so I don't know what

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Speaker 2: kind of initiation they got over there in Wales. But

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Speaker 2: as long as it's involving Cardiff and the Kalzaggi family,

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Speaker 2: I'm there. Thank you very much. The show's over. You've

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Speaker 2: been warned, love you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's over.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: I can't do this anymore.

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Speaker 1: I can't even do it. I mean, two hours every day.

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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. This is I mean, what are we

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Speaker 1: even doing here? You know what I mean? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is this