1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I am Dale Lalli. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and it is a chilly 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Monday here in Pittsburgh. Well, we had some more news 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: over the weekend, met the US, the Steelers continuing to 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: wheel and deal here making a trade for Justin Fields, 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: and I just want to clear some things up here. 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: First of all, I thought it was pretty clear. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: When I said. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: When all this Justin Field talk started that I was 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: not in I was not on board with trading a 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: day certainly not a Day one pick, and not a 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: Day two pick for Justin Fields. I would think about 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: it for a fourth round pick this year. This year, yep, 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: because of the fumbles and the interception issues that he has. 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Oh, there's this are real. They're real. 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: Like I think all of our listeners are super excited. 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: I'm super excited. I mean, the whole new batch of 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: quarterbacks is really enticing. I didn't see this coming up. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: I don't think most people saw this coming. I think 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: that this is a move that is just too good 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 3: of a deal and along with the Wilson one to 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: pass up. If you're a team, you know, and I 23 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: think that they are. I'm not saying they're buying in 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: the generic section, so to speak. But they're paying generic 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: prices for pedigree guys, and I didn't think you'd get 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: these guys at this kind of price, you know. That's 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 3: why I had some hesitations too. I mean, without question 28 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: on both these dudes and the quarterback position. This year 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: is going to create so many more big plays than 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: it did, but it's also going to create a lot 31 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: of negative It's going. 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: To change and the Steelers are going to have to 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: fundamentally change their approach to how they play. 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: It can't just be oh, we turned them all over, 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: we're probably gonna lose, you know, and keep it close. 37 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: Because Russell Wilson will take sacks. 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that hasn't changed now. 39 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: He again he'll throw more touchdown passes, which was yeah, 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: you'll probably score some more points. But the sacks and 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: the fun he doesn't. He doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. 42 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: No, he's much better than Field, much better with They 43 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: both will fumble and they both take a lot of sacks. Yeah, 44 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: so also both make a lot of big plays. 45 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: I don't know where the disconnect came. You got justin 46 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: fields for a twenty twenty five Day three pick, right, 47 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: that's a sixth round pick. If if it's a phenomenal deal, 48 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: it's it's a tremendous get for them. 49 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, for nothing, for nothing, for nothing. Why wouldn't I 50 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: be on board with that? Yeah? Yeah. 51 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: What what I didn't get was the people saying, you know, 52 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: trade trade to first round pick for for Justin Fields. 53 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: Trade your second round pick for Justin Fields. 54 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: No. 55 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: Right, I was never on board with that, and I 56 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: would not be on board with that if they did it. 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: No, that was crazy. 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: Because I think the league has shown us that no 59 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: one views him as a surefire starter. And I don't 60 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: think the Steelers or anything for that matter, will pick 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: up the fifth year option. You know, so it's a 62 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 3: one year rental. Now we can talk about other things 63 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: you can do. 64 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: I think it's much more likely that they do what 65 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: and it won't even be Jordan Love. 66 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: You know what the Packers did with Jordan Love. 67 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: Where I think Jordan Love got ten million a year 68 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: right over two years? 69 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: Have negative tape. He just didn't tape. He didn't have 70 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: any tape. They just said practice film with them, you know. 71 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: You know, with with with Fields, I think you know, 72 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: maybe you do two years, sixteen million, or something like that. 73 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: So people might not know what you're talking about. So 74 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: this year he's what four million dollars hit three? 75 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: It's under four. I know that. 76 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: So before May second they have to decide, along with 77 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: Nausey Harris for that matter, everyone in that first round, 78 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: do I pick up his for his fifty year option 79 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: or not picking up his fifty year option is a 80 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: little under twenty five million, it's twenty three points. 81 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: Which again I was not on board with that, right right. 82 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: And I don't think they'll do it. So that doesn't 83 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: mean he's just a one year rental. That's how it 84 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: will go if nothing gets done by May second, But 85 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: he's still your property for a year. Now what the 86 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: Packers did because one year ago, the Packers didn't know 87 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: what Jordan love was. They liked him, didn't love them, 88 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: ha ha to Rogers had been traded the Jets, and 89 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: they weren't willing to pick up his fifty year option, 90 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: but they were willing to give him an extension. You 91 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: know you can still do that too, all right. The 92 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: Steelers could not pick up Naugies fifty years an. 93 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: Extension because you go to the player and you say, hey, 94 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: we're not in on paying you twenty five million dollars guarantee, 95 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: fully guaranteed, but we'll give you. 96 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Ten, which is what which is what the packers did 97 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: with head your bluffs. 98 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because right now incentively and what what it 99 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: did for love was he got to raise in year 100 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: one to take a bit of a back cut in 101 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: year two, right, And he bet on himself. He bet 102 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: on himself in year one, right, And there might be 103 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: options to get out of these things. And frankly, I 104 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 3: mean I understand that Wilson and Fields both don't have 105 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: a contract beyond this year. They don't have a quarterback 106 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: under contract after this year. But if one's great, they 107 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: could just pay them, you know, they could you get 108 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: us either one. 109 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: They could give them thirty forty million a year if 110 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: they're great. 111 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: I mean, they have that kind of cap space, so 112 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: they have a lot of flexibility with this. But the 113 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: bottom line is, and no one's going to argue this, 114 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: is they got two very exciting players and one over 115 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: the weekend since we talked on Friday, that even if 116 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: he's only out there for a package, which I think 117 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: you've implied and I think we've all thought, makes sense. 118 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: I mean, on game day when everybody's healthy to at 119 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: least get his jersey dirty, and you know that that 120 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: provides something. But even just to be around him for 121 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: a year to see if you want him to be 122 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: your long term two, your long term one. 123 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: On the above, that's way worth that pick. Yeah, it's 124 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: a it's a condition. 125 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: Like if he plays fifty of the snapsive it is, Yeah, 126 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: fifty offensive snaps this season he gets, they give up 127 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: the four fourth round pick. If he plays under that, 128 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: they give up a sixth. 129 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Round, sixth round pick next year. 130 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: Next year, They've got a bunch of that kind of stuff, 131 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: the Day three picks extra. Anyways, it doesn't mean they 132 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: kind of got two free quarterbacks. I mean kind of 133 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: for a year. And again you did that. I'll say 134 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: it again. I was not on board. 135 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep saying this because I was 136 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: questioned about it on social media. I was not on 137 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: board with Trey for Justin Fields for a Day one 138 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: or Day two pick this year, right right, right, Well, actually, 139 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: even if it had been a Day two, Day one 140 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: or two pick next year, I wouldn't have been on board. 141 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: But the price that you got him at, fine, it's phenomenal. 142 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a no lose situation both these 143 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: for your quarterback editions. I mean, unless they both stink. 144 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: But I still think the quarterback play will probably be 145 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: better than it was a year ago. I mean, I 146 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 3: certainly care producing point. 147 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: Let's stick into that little bit. I do think. 148 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: I do think it's the way that the Steelers have 149 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: played basically the last three or four years, and to 150 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: Ben into the early years of pick it, don't turn 151 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: the ball over, give your defense in the running game 152 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: a chance to win. 153 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: The game for you, Yeah, block a kick or whatever. 154 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Winning the margins. 155 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: I think that changes somewhat because you've got two more 156 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: explosive playmakers here. But again, you're going to have to 157 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: live with some of the negative plays. 158 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of both. I think that's 159 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: going to be a roller coaster season. I'm not trying 160 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: to rain on anyone's parade because I love what they did. 161 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: But it could be Week seven or eight, the Steelers 162 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: are two and five and Wilson's not tearing it up, 163 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: and you're just gonna say he makes too many mistakes, 164 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: he takes too many sacks, you know, like it's not 165 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: all gonna be Roses. I mean, there's gonna be some 166 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: bad times. There might be a bad month where the 167 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: ball doesn't bounce your way and you fumble a bunch, 168 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: or there's more sacks or your left tackles heard or whatever. 169 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: But I still think it's worth the risk. I mean, 170 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett has appeared in twenty five games and he's 171 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: thrown thirteen career touchdowns and this isn't bash picket time. 172 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be a good player still. So 173 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: twenty five games, he's thrown thirteen touchdown passes. Wilson threw 174 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: twenty six last year and they sat them the last 175 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: two games. You know what I mean, Like they're gonna 176 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: throw touchdown passes. Fields is the best running quarterback in 177 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: the league. He creates big plays. I mean, they are 178 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: going to be much more explosive at the quarterback position. Yeah, 179 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: and they're gonna turn the ball over. 180 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: And they're gonna turn the ball over. 181 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just you know, the Steelers leading the league 182 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: in turnover ratio or being close to it probably doesn't 183 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: happen this year. 184 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: No, they better have insane amount of takeaways, which is 185 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: a hard thing to bank on too, So they're gonna 186 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: have to play differently, and it's also a offensive coordinator change. 187 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: Obviously. 188 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: There are some things that are very favorable though, Like 189 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: fields sack ratio got better last year. You know, Wilson could. 190 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: Have gotten much worse. 191 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: They've been the worst in the league in terms of sacks, 192 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: you know, over the last game. 193 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: And that's that's a running quarterback thing. Sure, the guys 194 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: that run around to the back, and I mean that 195 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: just is. 196 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: It's a long time to throw thing. Yeah, I mean 197 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: it really is. Now. 198 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: Wilson did a lot of throws behind the line of 199 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: scrimmage this year, but he still takes a lot of 200 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: sacks too. 201 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: If you think you can take those out of. 202 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: He's he's going to break the all time sack ricord 203 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, if he plays in like fifteen games 204 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 2: for the Steelers, he'll be the most sacked quarterback in 205 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: NFL history. 206 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: That's really. 207 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: The Lions aren't going to change there, pes or spots 208 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: or whatever Lions doing of either. Lions are going to 209 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: grow spots or stripe whatever it is. Big cats. 210 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: They don't know either. 211 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I'm sure Wilson is what he is. 212 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: You can argue that Fields was in terrible environments, and 213 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: he was Wilson never fit with Peyton, you know, and 214 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: boy his first year in Denver was quite bad. But 215 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: still I'll take it. I mean, I'll take it all 216 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: day long. I'll trade you those three for these two 217 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: and really give up nothing in terms of cap space 218 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: or free agency or you know, draft picks overall, to 219 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: just see what these. 220 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: Guys can do and what you're paying them. That's right, man. 221 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: Everything has to be here. Everything has to be factored 222 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: into the equation with this. Once you gave up what 223 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: you're paying these guys, what it could possibly be has 224 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: to outweigh the negatives, and I think in those in 225 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: this instance, those things do. Yeah, if you had given 226 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: up a second round pick for justin fields, that's all, 227 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: then it probably doesn't because now you're passing on getting 228 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: that second round wide receiver or that offensive tackle that 229 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: slipped into the second round, or your center. 230 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 231 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: Very early in the offseason I considered that second or 232 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 3: third for fields. And then the more I dug into him, 233 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: like no, because I don't think I want to pick 234 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: up a fifty year option. He's got warts that haven't 235 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: gone away. But that's not even close to the compensation. 236 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: That's the thing, you know. 237 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: So if you had traded the second round pick for 238 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: Justin Fields, then you have to pick up his fifteen. 239 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: That's a whole different because he's going to have a 240 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: he's going to be in a position of bargaining power. 241 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you probably still have Kenny Pickett. 242 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: Here at that point, right, because you just said we're 243 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: going to go into this as a competition, so Fields then. 244 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: You get league doesn't see him that way. 245 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: And obviously obviously right right, there are some interesting stuff 246 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 3: including Picket. 247 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: You know how Ritter mac Jones. 248 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: A lot of these guys getting traded for very little, 249 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: and I think they need them out of the building 250 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: because a new guy is coming in to some degree. Yeah, 251 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: but I do think all those teams, including the Eagles, 252 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: are going to be happy with what they gave up 253 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: for the guys they got. And I'm not saying they 254 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: turn into stars, but they gave up nothing for those 255 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: type of eyes. 256 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Eagles get Picket, who is a starting caliber 257 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL. He's fourteen and ten as a starter, 258 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: he doesn't turn the ball over. They get him. I 259 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: think it's like four million dollars in the next two years 260 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: as zachup. 261 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: Okay, that's right. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're happy with 262 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: their deal too. They should be. I mean I think 263 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: the Seahawks are thrilled to get Sam Howe for next 264 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: to nothing. I'm also seeing with these deals, moving up 265 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: as the Steelers did in the Deontay Johnson trade has 266 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: more value than I thought it did, you know, like 267 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: a turn of fifth into a third. I'm just talking across. 268 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: I mean, really, that's what the That's what the how 269 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: deal was exactly. 270 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: They moved up in two rounds this year. It doesn't 271 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: sound like much like they moved up twice in two rounds. 272 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: They went from they they went moved up with a 273 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: third and a fifth for a fourth and a sixth. 274 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the deal they moved up in two rounds. 275 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: Yea in a good area, right, I mean it's a 276 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: big difference in this particular class. 277 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: I think with that, that's what they're That's what the 278 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: NFL is telling us, is that they really like the 279 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: upper half of this or upper two thirds of this draft. 280 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 281 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: If I can move up thirty picks, thirty two picks, 282 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: it's worth more than me than in most years. 283 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 284 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's very true, and the Steelers are 285 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: setting itself up grade for that. They don't have a 286 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: seventh round er anymore, they don't have a fifth, I mean, 287 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: so they're sitting pretty with that kind of stuff. 288 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: The other thing that the Steelers did this weekend, and 289 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: this is one thing that we talked about last week 290 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: when they traded for Dante Jackson, was they reworked his contract. 291 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, So he's now only count six million 292 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: dollars against their salary. 293 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: Cap this year. The originally was like a ten or eleven. 294 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: He was originally ten a little bit over ten. Yeah, yeah, 295 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: so you know you freed up four million dollars in 296 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: cap space with that move as well. 297 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: That comes in handy. That was a big thing. 298 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: I said that I didn't understand that contract or that 299 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: trade the second that happened, but I said a thousand times, 300 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: another shoe's gonna drop and yeah, and that happened with quarterbacks. 301 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: I still think could happen at receiver, maybe even this 302 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 3: week as a Johnson replacement. But I also thought if 303 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: you didn't make more in the cap space world with 304 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: this trade, then initially thought then I have problems with it. 305 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: But that extra five is enough for me to say, 306 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: now I like the deal. 307 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: And it not. 308 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: Because you weren't gonna get a starting caliber cornerback this year. 309 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: There's not to getting for six six million dollars. No, 310 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna happen. 311 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of Stefan Gilmour's out there 312 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: that probably want more than that, that are old or beat. 313 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: Up, you know. 314 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: So, you know, I when I was talking last week 315 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: about how I thought that the Steelers have positioned themselves 316 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: better now and by the way, Vegas also believes this. 317 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: I just saw that the odds that came out. I'm 318 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: looking at the Patrick Queen trade or acquisition, I'm looking 319 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: at the Dante Jackson acquisition, and I'm looking at the 320 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: you know, improving it punter, Yeah, which I think kind 321 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: of gets over house. 322 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: In the margins. Yeah, we were talking about how they 323 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: have to win the margins and. 324 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 2: Then the addition of another solid safety younger. 325 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: I've done a lot more homework on him too. He 326 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: is I said, Yeah, he's a good run defender. He's 327 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: a great run running. He's a great run defender. And 328 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: he isn't just an in the box cam Chancellor type. 329 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: He's played way more snaps of free than he has. 330 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: It's strong. I think he's gonna play most of his time. 331 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: It's strong here. But he is a hitter. He is 332 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: a physical player. He's big, he's got long arms, plays 333 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: the run extremely well. So I just want to keep 334 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: people in the loop on him too. I mean, this 335 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: might be a better pickup than people think. 336 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens at the wide receiver position. 337 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: That's what I'm kind of waiting on with last night, 338 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: you know, I think I was Rappaport tweeted out that 339 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: the Steelers will meet with Mike Williams this week. 340 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: From what I understand, he's in Carolina this morning and 341 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: is stopping at New York to talk to the Jets, 342 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: and then he's gonna be here tomorrow, and which to 343 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: me just means everyone wants to check him out medically. Yeah, 344 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: And that just streams that to me. 345 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: But the fact that you got him last if he. 346 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: Unless he just doesn't show up, and. 347 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: Which he would be crazy to do, somebody would have to. 348 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I was in twenty million, right, you know. 349 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: Like I would hope the Steeler organization has a good 350 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: enough relationship with the agent to say promise me he 351 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: gets here. Yeah, you know, I mean give us an opportunity, 352 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: because it wouldn't shock me if the Panthers or Jets, 353 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: especially the Panthers spend too much on them, you know, like, Okay, 354 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: you're gonna spend more than I get it. 355 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: And here's the thing. If you're Mike Williams, then way 356 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: you haven't won anything in the NFL, right right, like 357 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: you've been on some really bad, bad football teams. You 358 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: want to go to another bad football team right then? 359 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: Would be to me the Jets and. 360 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: Steelers will be the ones I'm looking at and going. 361 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll play there in Rogers, yeah right, right, right, yeah, 362 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: I'll play with thereon Rodgers. 363 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: I'll play with Russell Wilson on a team that just 364 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: made the playoffs, that. 365 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: An organization that wins. Yeah. 366 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Carolina would not be attracted to me, but they 367 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: know that, and maybe they'll give him five million more 368 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: than they should. 369 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: Kind of what they'd have to do or he'd have 370 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: to want to go home. 371 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: He's a Clemson guy, right, he's a Clemson guy. I 372 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: assume he grew up in that area of the country, 373 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: but who knows. Something. 374 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: They recruit from all over I mean, some people don't 375 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: like going to the Big Apple. 376 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with New York. Who knows. 377 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: That's the thing that the players have to weigh too, 378 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: And they're like, if if the Steelers and Jets give 379 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: them make the offer of the of the same coin, 380 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: they both offer ten million dollars a year, the ten 381 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: million dollars in Pittsburgh goes a heck of a lot 382 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: farther than it does. 383 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: In New York too, And some people might be like, 384 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: New York's awesome. I'm gonna Yeah, there's a lot of 385 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: things I like about It's not for everybody. The other 386 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: thing that's been rumored, but also kind of adds up 387 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: considering how much power Aaron Rodgers has is Odell has 388 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: already told the Ravens he's not coming back, yes, and 389 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: he's been linked directly to the Jets. 390 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: You know that, Yeah, I. 391 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: Mean Tyron Smith, Odell, Beckham, Morgan Moses. 392 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Just like last offseason with Dalvin Cook. You know, they're 393 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: turning in. They're turning into a seventies uh exactly exactly. 394 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: So I could come say, fog hat we do know 395 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: Odell likes New York, you know, like I could see 396 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: Odell going to the Jets and maybe taking them out 397 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: of the mic Mike Williams sweepstakes. Yeah, but I'd be 398 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: very happy with Williams. I mean, to me, that's as 399 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: good as it gets. 400 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you medicals are good assuming 401 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: everything works out. If you can get that guy to replace, 402 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: and now you've done it exactly, you would have receivers 403 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: that I think fit what Arthur smith Field. He wants 404 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: bigger receivers who can block if you look at they also, 405 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: of course over the weekend hasn't been announced yet, but 406 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: signed Van Jefferson, another speed type receiver but a bigger 407 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: body who blocks pretty well. 408 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: It really refined player. His dad's an NFL receiver coach, 409 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: so he's he's probably hit his ceiling, you know, because 410 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: he's kind of maxed out. He's been coached up his 411 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: whole life. Yeah, but if he's your four, I'm fine 412 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 3: with that. 413 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 414 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: One thing I meant to look at and maybe I 415 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: will deny, But I don't know if he's ever done 416 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: anything on special teams. 417 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 2: A little bit his rookie year, he played about one 418 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: hundred snaps on special teams, Like I don't care the 419 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: time he did a little bit, a little bit of 420 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: kick return. 421 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but I mean he's a cheap fallback option too. 422 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: I would think he comes in behind it. 423 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 424 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: He gives you somebody that if something happens with you, 425 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: know you have an injury, you can put a guy 426 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: in there who's started NFL games eight hundred yards receiving 427 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. 428 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 3: I mean he was with Archers Smith last year with 429 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: the Falcons and mostly a slot guy. 430 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: I think is his best. 431 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: He's split fifty to fifty between the two. 432 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 433 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think here you'd love to have 434 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: like Williams and Pickens on the outside, him in the 435 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: slot or whatever. Back to Williams real quick, though. I 436 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: know some people are like, dude, he's so injury prone 437 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 3: it's a worry. I mean, it definitely is. I think 438 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: he's twenty nine going on thirty, so he's a little 439 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 3: older than you think. He plays such a physical brand 440 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: of go up. I mean you think Pickens is a 441 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: go up and get a guy. I mean these are 442 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: like the two best in the league. He lands hard 443 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: a lot, he takes a lot of shots while he's 444 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: in the middle of the air. He plays really physically. 445 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: But he's got a ridiculous catch radius. 446 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean his best days are really really good. 447 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: And Okay, he is injury prone or has a history, 448 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: to say the least. I don't like the term injury 449 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: prone because that's like predicting the future. But you're going 450 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: to draft one too, you know. Like if I go 451 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 3: into the draft with what I have now and Williams, 452 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 3: I'm still taking a Day two receiver. 453 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you're loaded. 454 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: And then you don't have to take one in the 455 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: round one exactly. 456 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 3: I don't want to go in the draft with what 457 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: they have now receiver, right, and that scares me to me, 458 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: that's the next shoot to drop. 459 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Now let's get to 460 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: a break. He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lallie. 461 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. 462 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: We'll be back with more right after this. Welcome back. 463 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: I am Dale Lallie. He is the Matt Williamson and 464 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: the Steelers making it official, officially announcing the signings of Miles, 465 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: Killerbrew and Van Jefferson. 466 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: So those are those deals. 467 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: Are definitely done. And I didn't I was doing the 468 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: how he fits a thing that I do for each 469 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: one of these side signings. And if you look at 470 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: the Steelers' roster now a wide receiver, it's interesting. 471 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting. 472 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: So you have Van Jefferson now and as part of 473 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: the equation with pickings, Calvin Austin. They also have two 474 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: other guys that have NFL experience. When I say NFL experience, 475 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm talking about more than like. 476 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: A game or two. Yeah, they're not priority free agent 477 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: types or you know. 478 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: Like these are guys that have started NFL games. And 479 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: Marquez Callaway who's with the Saints, and Denzel Mims. 480 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's easy to overlook that. And I'm not 481 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 3: counting on them by any means. I really think they 482 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: need to sign one and draft one. And I mean 483 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: sign one, I mean somebody or trade for one, I 484 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: mean add a veteran and then go into the draft. 485 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: But I also know how trading camp works and preseason 486 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: and some of these dudes that are talented, like Callaway 487 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: and especially Mims, to me, it was a second round 488 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: pick of the Jets. They get to the stage of 489 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: their career, I mean it's your career crossroads where somebody 490 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: might not pick you up. Anymore, and you got nothing 491 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: to lose, and you could shine in camp and make 492 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: it hard to cut and maybe get in the mix. 493 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: The thing about this callaway six to two, yeah, ye, 494 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: Mims is six three, Pickens is six to three. Jefferson's 495 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: six to one, but two hundred pounds. 496 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: I know as he was over. Yeah, he's not a 497 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: little little receiver. He's got some sturdy You look at 498 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: some of the other guys on des Fitzpatrick who hit it. 499 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: He's also yeah, six noteworthy, yeah, six eight h anybody 500 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 3: with Calvin has had some size to him. 501 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: And then you have Calvin Austin at five nine one 502 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: sixty two and I don't know if he's at big yeah, 503 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: but it's it's obvious they want big receivers, which again 504 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: leads you to Mike Woods. 505 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 3: Williams is bigger than all of them. Yeah, I mean 506 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: I think he weighs more than Pickens. He's at least 507 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: as tall. Mims might be the tallest. 508 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. 509 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: But they're all well over six to two, thickly built, 510 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 3: strong type guys, and they'll block and they'll go and 511 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: get football. I mean that's what you know. This this 512 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator wants is now. I also think some 513 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: of those guys kind of in an AJ Brown like fashion. 514 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: You want to see them going over the middle down 515 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: the field, and that is not either one of these 516 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: quarterback strengths, but that's going to be one of the 517 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: something blocks. That's why you pay coaches. You'll get out 518 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 3: and you know, figure out the best way to use 519 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: them all. 520 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, figure out the figure out how to paint your 521 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: barn red with what you've got. Yeah, you got some 522 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: red paint here, Yeah, paint your barn red. I'll try 523 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: to paint it green. 524 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: I mean there's a reason the Falcons went on and 525 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: got huge receivers too. I mean they want big catching 526 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 3: radiuses that can block and all those good things that 527 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: get downfield because they're going to run, run, run, play 528 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: action shots over the top and you know Pickens can 529 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 3: do it. 530 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: You know Williams can do it. 531 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: That's a good one here for Brian Cox, one of 532 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: our listeners here or just put him on social media, 533 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: says when he plays home games, he will literally be 534 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: a van down by the river. 535 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: Van. 536 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: Some of our listeners will get that you apparently went 537 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: straight over your head like the Chris Farley savenn live skit. 538 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: I see him dancing over there on your computer, but 539 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: I don't know that skit. 540 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: He lived in a van down by well, Chris Farr, 541 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: He's been dead for fifteen years. 542 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: Now, come on, man, I know that. Okay, some of 543 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: our listeners understand. 544 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: I know Brian Cox is talking about that with the 545 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: van down by the river. I like it, okay, uh, 546 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: But you know they've continued to make moves here. They've 547 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: not sat still, and they've shown a willingness to completely 548 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: basically rework an entire room. 549 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: Two years in a row now they've done this. 550 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: Yes, so I think that's interesting. You know, they made 551 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: an uncharacteristic offensive coordinator change during the season. Apparently they 552 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: weren't thrilled with the way Chukes and Deontae saw things 553 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: here offensively gone Cole and Robinson I kind of lumped 554 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: together as we really like you guys. We just want 555 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: somebody that's better football than you do, you know, or 556 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: cheaper or younger or whatever. And then the whole quarterback 557 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: room wiped off, the wiped off the south side, you know, 558 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: down by the river. 559 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: We want to play a different style of football, and yeah, 560 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: you guys aren't it. 561 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: You aren't it. 562 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: I mean, not afraid at all to wipe things a 563 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: major portion of your offense out. 564 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: Let's let's let's take it a little bit on the 565 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett thing as well, because we really didn't talk 566 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: about it last week. 567 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: The shock value of the trade. 568 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 2: It happened basically while we were on the air. 569 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm sure they had. 570 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: But you know, initially it was going to be Russell 571 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: Wilson and Kenny Pickett, you know, competing for that starting job. 572 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: Wilson was going to start open as the starter. 573 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 574 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what picket is like. No, you you've 575 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: misled me on this. You know, I thought this was 576 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: going to be an open competition. I was ready for 577 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: a competition. This is I think he saw well Russell Wilson, 578 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: and rightfully so, not as competition, but as somebody who was. 579 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: You'd have a hard time unseating. Yes, your picket. Yes, 580 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: that's a good way of looking at it. 581 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, if it had just been justin Fields. I think 582 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett today is a Pittsburgh Steeler. 583 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: I could see that now. 584 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: I always hate talking about like character and he said, 585 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 3: she said blah blah blah, but it sounds like at 586 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: least reports say that the day after they signed Wilson, 587 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 3: Kenny canceled his throwing meeting with the receivers and you know, 588 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: wasn't happy and didn't feel like he was treated right 589 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: and on the surface and not knowing what actually happened. 590 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: I look at that and say, that's not you should be. 591 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: You should be a better competitor than that, you know 592 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. 593 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 3: I mean, And he's always come across as highly competitive, 594 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 3: highly leader, you know, all those type of things. But 595 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson, who struggled for three years, now shows up 596 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 3: in town and all of a sudden, you got to 597 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: run away. I mean, like that just didn't never sat 598 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 3: right with me. 599 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think for Pickett it was that 600 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: Wilson was told and the Steelers told Picket this that 601 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: Russell's Russell Wilson is going to open camp or open 602 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: OTAs at number one, You're going to be number two. 603 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know that that sat well with him 604 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: in terms of I get it, I'm starting now at 605 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: a disadvantage because yeah. 606 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: So I get that part of it. They're just kind 607 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: of like tough enough. 608 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: But to your point, yeah, I think you know if 609 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: you're if you're a competitor, and I want to come 610 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: in and compete, I want to let's let's do this. 611 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have a track record enough to 612 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: call any shots, right, you know, your first round pick 613 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: is really the only thing you've gon for your resume wise, 614 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: except for having a relationship with the staff, and everybody 615 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 3: likes each other, YadA, YadA. 616 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: But the owner said we need better quarterback play. 617 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: I also wonder I also wonder how much of it 618 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: was the fact when Wilson talked about this at his 619 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: press conference that Cam Hayward reached out to him and 620 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: spent an hour on the phone with him trying to 621 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: sell him on coming to the Steelers, making Fitzpatrick reached 622 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: out to him. Sure, uh, you know, TJ. Watt reached 623 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: out to him, and they're all trying to sell him 624 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: on coming to Pittsburgh. And if I'm Kenny Pikett, I'm 625 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: going wait a second. 626 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: These are the guys. 627 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: Who were in my who were supposed to be in 628 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: my corner, and now all of a sudden they're going 629 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: out and openly recruiting another quarterback. 630 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: What does that tell me? 631 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 3: See, I think that's the biggest reason Fields, Picket, Ridder, Jones, 632 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: Mac Jones and how are all gone because it's a 633 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 3: weird dynamic to be a young guy, whether your first 634 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 3: round pick or not, because you're thrust. 635 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: Into a role as the leader. You're the leader. 636 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: You're on the billboards, you know. Kenny wood is Kenny 637 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: Pickett's land on. Everybody loves him. He's on the news 638 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 3: and oh, I mean everyone cares about every little step 639 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: he takes. Same thing with Ritter, same with Howe, same 640 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: with mac Jones, same with Fields. 641 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: Think we were out a year ago how those guys 642 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: were being talked. 643 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: About exactly, and now they have to go into the 644 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: locker room, their meeting room, and they're just viewed differently, 645 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: you know. And I think it's better for them, whether 646 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: they see it or not, to go somewhere else and 647 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: maybe Hal knocks off Geno Smith or whatever. I mean, 648 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: you know, what the heck happens, or Lawrence gets hurt, 649 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 3: mac Jones as the rest of his career. But I 650 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: think it's good for everybody involved that here comes either 651 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: a first round pick or a Wilson or a Cousins 652 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: or whatever. You're probably not going to beat out that 653 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: the dynamic of the locker room and the human beings 654 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 3: is smoother without you. 655 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: These were basically engagements that were ended. Yeah, right, work 656 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: engagements that that we're in. So I'm working Matt and 657 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: I we. 658 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: Obviously are not going to do this. Uh. 659 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: But if we were engaged to be married, yeah, and 660 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: then we broke up, would we still be doing a show? 661 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: Probably not, because there's a dynamic there that has changed dramatically. 662 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: Especially if you had the first overall pick. Yeah, if 663 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: we get. 664 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 3: But you understand what I'm saying exactly, or if I'm 665 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: going to go sign Kirk Cousins, You're out. 666 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: If I've got a company that has fifty three people 667 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: and I had this person and he was the CEO 668 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: of my company, right, and now all of a. 669 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: Sudden, you bet or not? Yeah, I bring somebody else 670 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: in executive. He went there young, he got that job. 671 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: I bring somebody else in who I'm not putting over 672 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: top of him. It's going to be a weird dynamic 673 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: in my office. 674 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just is. 675 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: It's not Minshew holding down the Ford or Flacco or 676 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: somebody that's been around the block that you know, if 677 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: it happens next year with the Raiders. The Raiders, Minshew's okay, 678 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: he's fine. They have a terrible season though, they get 679 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 3: the first overall pick, and it's writings on the wall. 680 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: You're going to draft a quarterback. I don't know that 681 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: he has to go. 682 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: No. 683 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: You know, these guys are all first year dudes that 684 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: were young, that were asked to be leaders maybe before 685 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: their time. 686 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, which happens, which happens, right, I mean. 687 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: It's a tough gig and now are going to be 688 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: put on the back burner to some degree, and you're 689 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: probably gonna need them, you know, Like I was talking 690 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: about it earlier today, like those five that got traded, 691 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: one to the Steelers one way and the other three 692 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: wouldn't shock me if they played twenty games this year. 693 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: I mean, the league shows you these guys are going 694 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: to get in. 695 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 696 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: I think there were like eleven or twelve quarterbacks last 697 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: year who played all seventeen games. 698 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 699 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: By the way, that's the thing about Wilson too, is 700 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: his durability. He's been phenomenal. 701 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: In a side note, I mean, it doesn't mean it's 702 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: the same thing about Aaron Rodgers when you got traded Aaron. 703 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just a weird dynamic. I mean, like 704 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: they always talk about, well, once you go to this quarterback, 705 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: you can't go back. 706 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: And there is some truth to that inside the rooms, you. 707 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: Know, no doubt because because of the just and really 708 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: it's just that position. 709 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: It's not like that another lesson guard doesn't matter. 710 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: Right, They're not on the billboard, they're not getting interviewed 711 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: every time, they. 712 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: Don't have their own time each week as they speak 713 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: to the media, right, right, They don't talk after every 714 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: football game exactly. There are certain positions that do in 715 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: quarterback being chief among those, he's asked to speak about 716 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: the offense. He's asked to be the face of the offense. 717 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: I mean hypothetically next year, next year's first round pick 718 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is a defensive tackle, and it's clear 719 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: at that stage of the game that Benton and new 720 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: guy are better than Cam Hayward. Does that mean you 721 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: have to cut Cam Hayward? 722 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: No, No, I mean that's and he's the biggest leader 723 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: on the team, you know what I mean. So it's 724 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: just it is a quarterback thing, you know. 725 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know if there's another position 726 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: in sports right that that that that holds true with right, Like, 727 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: it's not like you have five starting pitchers. 728 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: Say, if you're our race and now you're our third, Okay, 729 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: yeah that's fine Schmoltz. 730 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: And Glauden and Maddox, you know, right. 731 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: If you're our leader, if you're our goalie. 732 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Maybe goalies like that. I don't know enough, but you can. 733 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: You're still gonna play. 734 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: You're still gonna play anyway. Yeah, like you're the starter 735 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 3: of every game. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just different. Yeah, 736 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: it's a. 737 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: Different dynamic than any other sport at that position. That's 738 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: why I think it's the it's the most important position 739 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: in all of sports. 740 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: Agree, And I do think a wholesale change. I don't 741 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: think we've talked enough about this too. It sure seems 742 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 3: like the dynamic between Fields and Wilson is a really 743 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: good one, you know, Like Fields looked up to Wilson 744 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: early in his career before he was drafted. Wilson was 745 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: close to a spitting image of Fields early in his career, 746 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: but had Marshawn Lynch and the legion of Boom around him, 747 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: which helped. I'm not saying Field's got as good as 748 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 3: early career Wilson but their strengths and weaknesses are eerily similar. Yeah, 749 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, I mean they really are. And there's definitely 750 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: a big brother little brother situation too. They're not the 751 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 3: same age, they're not the same contractual. You know, how 752 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: much money in the bank they have. One guy's got rings, 753 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, like, it's a totally different world. 754 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's interesting. 755 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fascinated to watch that that dynamic come together, 756 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: how those two guys play off of each other this season, 757 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: to see how that goes. 758 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: But and I'm sure the fan base will be, well 759 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: at least start very excited about both. 760 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: Oh, they're extremely some are some some of them. I've gotten. 761 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: Some some negativity regarding the signings. Oh, these guys both stink, 762 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: you're you know, we'll see, they might see they might 763 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: they might have a points. I'm not saying they both 764 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: don't stink. I'm just saying I'll take the bite at 765 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: the apple on pettick talent and what they've done. I'll 766 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: take door number two in this case as opposed to 767 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: what's been the quarterback situation the last couple of years. Yeah, 768 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, the dynamics on the feeling of the 769 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: Steelers about the Steelers has changed dramatically. I get this 770 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: from Jimmy Shapiro sends this to me for bed Online, 771 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: sends he's out to tay a lot. 772 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: Of different media people. 773 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: The Steelers went from sixty six to one to win 774 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl on March eighth to. 775 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: Thirty five to one. 776 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's fifty and that's better than I say, 777 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: where's that rank? I know they were ranked ridiculously low before, 778 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: but there was obvious quarterback questions. 779 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: That puts them ahead of Cleveland. Really that surprises me. 780 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: That puts them ahead of Indianapolis. I'm just looking at 781 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: at AFC teams Vegas. That puts them ahead of Denver. 782 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: That puts them ahead of the the Jets. No, I'm 783 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: not just yes, that was the Giants, the Titans, the Patriots. 784 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: So like middle of the pack, the middle of the pack. 785 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: They're also they have. 786 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 2: The same odds now as let's see Chicago, Jacksonville and 787 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 2: the Chargers. I don't see the Chargers. I don't see 788 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: the Jacksonville or the Bears winning the Super Bowl. You know, 789 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 2: I mean I of those four, I would pick the Steelers. Yeah, 790 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 2: without question. Side note, and I just want to make 791 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: sure we threw this in there. The Browns are weird. 792 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 2: They just signed another quarterback. 793 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: They got four. Now, nobody ever signs four for like 794 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: four veteran guys. 795 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 3: One's a draft pick from last year. Yeah, but they 796 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: supposedly love him. I mean, if you're gonna trade one, 797 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: he's the only one you could trade is the young 798 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: pup because he just signed the other two and Watson. 799 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 2: Uncessarily think something's coming with Watson. 800 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. What do they know 801 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: that we don't know? 802 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I know they played like five or six 803 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 3: quarterbacks last year, and I'm sure they're saying we're never 804 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 3: doing that again. 805 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: Great, is Watson in trouble again? I mean, is his 806 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: house concern? Like, I'm not putting it does raise a concern. 807 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: It's just a weird environment. Trying to read the t leaves, 808 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: there is odd Nobody has four quarterbacks like that. That 809 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 3: just doesn't ever happen. 810 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when you're you've got other cap issues that 811 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: you're dealing with. 812 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 3: And you're they're not going to make the team. You 813 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 3: would think you would think, I mean the way it 814 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 3: sets up. Yeah, I'm just saying that's an odd dynamic 815 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 3: and keep an eye on it. I know nothing about it. 816 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 3: I'm trying to spread rad rumors. It's just weird GMing. 817 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: There's some definite weirdness there. Let's get to another break. 818 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. 819 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on 820 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more hour number 821 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 2: one of the drive right after this. 822 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lalli. 823 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive 824 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. And the one thing that the 825 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 2: Steelers haven't done yet Matt is address the potential. 826 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: Opening at center. 827 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: And I sent you this chart earlier here today, as 828 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: actually Mike Clay I think, tweeted this out early. 829 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: He's good with his sharts, isn't he. Yeah, he's good 830 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: with this. 831 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: Look at the current offensive line situation for all thirty 832 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: two teams in the league and who the starting five, 833 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: who the starting five on the offensive line would be, 834 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 2: And looking at the Steelers, obviously we know that right now, 835 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: as things stand, it would be Nate Herbige center with 836 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: everybody else the same as where they were at last year. 837 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 3: Okay, right, guards aren't changing. I'm sure he's Broderick at 838 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 3: right tackle and more left right now. 839 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of what you have to assume 840 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: that what should be right now right. 841 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: If you had to put it out of depth chart, 842 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: that's what it looked like. 843 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: But I sent you this earlier and you said, there, 844 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 2: it looks like there are. 845 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad he did it because I've been meaning to do. 846 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: We talked about it last week. I saw it. 847 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: That's why I sent it to you. I'm like, oh, 848 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 2: Matt doesn't have to do this research. 849 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 850 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 3: So I just looked at it briefly and I came 851 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 3: up with three teams that are very center needy Arizona 852 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: it's fro Holders. 853 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you could do a lot better 854 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: than that. 855 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 3: Dallas lost the Wisconsin Yeah, I think Dallas could absolutely 856 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 3: have brought Hoffman's again, don't know who that is. Yeah, 857 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 3: and Denver lost Cushion Barry, Yeah, like those are the 858 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: three to me? 859 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: Who do they have pencil? It is then Wattenberg Okay, right, 860 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: so they're having the same conversations there. But they can 861 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: move Quinn miners there. 862 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 3: They could, they could, and there are some of those 863 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 3: in this whole mix as well as you know, some 864 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: guards could play center, James Daniels situation or the her 865 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: Big situation. 866 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: Whatever. 867 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 3: Now, I think we've talked to enough that people realize 868 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 3: that Powers, Johnson, Barton, and Fraser should be your targets. 869 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 3: Like that's a starter probably from day one, and those 870 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: three teams, I could see Dallas maybe taking Powers Johnson 871 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 3: in a round one. 872 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: They're twenty five, yeah, I mean they're twenty four. I'm sorry, 873 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: twenty four, and they're good. 874 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 3: Like I don't know if Arizona or Denver and all 875 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: their needs center would be one of their first two picks, 876 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Or Arizona's case, first three picks, 877 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 3: because they have three picks before the. 878 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: Steelers second rounder. 879 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 3: I think they're taking corners and edges and quarterbacks and 880 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,479 Speaker 3: wide receivers, and I don't know that any of those, 881 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: either of those teams would go center that early. I 882 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 3: think Dallas certainly could. So maybe you're three teams fighting 883 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 3: for four teams fighting for three guys, although I think 884 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 3: Dallas and Pittsburgh are the ones would be most likely 885 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 3: to pull the trigger. I also came up with some stretches, 886 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 3: you know, not stretches, but you know, wouldn't shock me 887 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 3: if they did love the They love Frasier and they 888 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: take them Carolina. You know, they had cut Bradley Boseman 889 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 3: Corbett there and at least that's a name, you know, 890 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 3: But they spend a ton of money on guards. I 891 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 3: know that they're trying to build that interior pocket. 892 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: And Drew. 893 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 3: Quarterback absolutely, so maybe they would, but they're also the 894 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 3: worst team in the league and need everything. Houston's interesting. 895 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 3: I almost didn't put them on the Maybes because they 896 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 3: drafted that. They drafted Scruggs last year out of Penn State, 897 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 3: but I think as it stands now, he's playing guard 898 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: Jared Patterson, and they have Green as well, Kendrick Green, 899 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: who was okay for them, so I doubt they would 900 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 3: go center. They also don't pick in the first round 901 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 3: right anymore. The Chargers were a team I originally had 902 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 3: on there because Lindsley has a serious heart condition so 903 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 3: his future's in doubt. But they signed Boseman like five 904 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: minutes ago, so scratch them. And then the last two 905 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: I have our San Francisco, who would only have one 906 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 3: pick in front of you, and I doubt it would 907 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 3: be a center, they would be more tackle. 908 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: They have Jake Brendle there right now, and they don't 909 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: dislike them. He's okay. 910 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 3: I bet I almost didn't include them either, And Tampa 911 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 3: was the last team I included. 912 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: They got Robert Hainsey there. 913 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 3: It was also okay, you know, I mean, but they're 914 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: interior road line for both those teams isn't great. So yeah, 915 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 3: things could change, But you have a pretty good center 916 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 3: is an easy one, you know, quarterbacks this way, I 917 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 3: mean where you can look at the teams and say, 918 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 3: who am I really fighting for? It's not thirty one 919 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 3: other teams for the center prospects. So yeah, I mean 920 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 3: if something like this wouldn't shock me at all, And 921 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 3: maybe you could even trade down the first round three 922 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 3: spots to make it more palatable. 923 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: We often do in our mocks. 924 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: But if you're sitting there and it's the forty fourth 925 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 3: pick and you're a little nervous, I'm like, eh, well, 926 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 3: don't we throw something to go from fifty one. 927 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: To forty four? Go get Zach Frasier and just be done. 928 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: You know. So I was playing around with some mock 929 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: drafts last night, which I like to do. 930 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 2: Sure it gets more palatable to do that if you 931 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 2: trade down in the first round a little bit and 932 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: pick up something extra, no doubt, and then you're able 933 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 2: to come up and make that kind of move to 934 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 2: get up there in the second round to make sure 935 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 2: that you get your center. 936 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: They did the opposite last year. 937 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 3: They moved up a few spots to get Roder Jones 938 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: and then they moved down and still land at herbig. 939 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 3: You know, like it's still worked out for the better. 940 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 3: But the way this draft sets up, I don't know 941 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 3: the difference between twenty and twenty four is that different? 942 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're gonna get at least a third round 943 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: pick in return. 944 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 2: I don't know that the difference between twenty five and 945 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 2: forty is that is that different in this draft? 946 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 1: True? Yeah? I agree, yea, I agree. 947 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 3: So there's another shoe that needs to drop, and that's 948 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 3: a receiver. But I still think if they can land 949 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 3: a veteran receiver that's a quality player, a starter, or 950 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 3: at least a strong three. I still think the best 951 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 3: move is your favorite offensive tackle in the first round, 952 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 3: Frasier in the second. And a lot of me was 953 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 3: against that earlier because before free agency, because I don't 954 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 3: want to go into draft, say, and I can only 955 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 3: get this player or this player or otherwise I'm shut out. 956 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: Like that'd be terrible, you know, like you can't judge 957 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: these things at boom. 958 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 3: You're gonna nail them every time you pigeonhole yourself that 959 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 3: I have to get with this one guy or two guys. 960 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 3: But the way the center's moved and the money they 961 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 3: spent on them, those teams aren't good to Miami's out 962 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 3: of the center market. Now, yes, they spend money on 963 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 3: a guy, they're not they have other needs. They're not 964 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 3: still going to do it. And I also think worst 965 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 3: case scenario if for some reason all three of those 966 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 3: guys went way earlier than you thought, or you passed 967 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 3: on them in the first round and then they were 968 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 3: boom boom, boom gone, I might take Bordolini in the 969 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 3: end of the third you know what I mean. And 970 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 3: it's not my strong Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, maybe 971 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 3: herbig's fine, maybe herbig Spencer Anderson, or you could even 972 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 3: draft a guard and ask Daniels to move in, you know, 973 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 3: like it's not the end of the world. But I 974 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 3: still think my goal is tackle center and then receiver corner. 975 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking here at the free agent markets, what's still 976 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 2: what is still out there, And there's still a bunch 977 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 2: of players out there, that's. 978 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: What people there are. 979 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 2: But the receiver market is Mike Williams, Yeah, Tyler Boyd, 980 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 2: Michael Thomas, Yeah, that's yeah, Michael Gallup. 981 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: That one's interesting. That's a new edition. Yeah. Corey Davis 982 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: also a new addition. 983 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 3: That's blocks and was a fifth pick in the draft 984 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 3: way back when and Jets gave him big. 985 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,479 Speaker 1: Money and played for Arthur Smith. And oh I didn't 986 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: think of that, Okay, yeah, but he was didn't play 987 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: all last year. 988 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but his best seasons came him with Arthur Smith. 989 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 3: Like Galluper Davis to me, if he blues out on Williams, okay, 990 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 3: I mean it's all right. 991 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 2: Then you're looking at DJ Shark, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling, similar, 992 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 2: kJ Osborne's on this list, but he just Yeah, Hunter Renfro. 993 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 3: That's interesting, Like I prefer Renfro to Boyd, you too. 994 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 3: I know people around here don't agree with that, but 995 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 3: because he's a local guy, but we haven't seen a 996 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 3: lot of Renfro. But he's a good a good player. 997 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chase Claypool, that's not happening. Russell Gage, Julio Jones. 998 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and you're. 999 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 2: Getting into some Milligrans and Alan Robinson, Leviscus Shenault. I 1000 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 2: might take a shot at just to see what he's 1001 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 2: got there and add another high pedigree guy to the 1002 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 2: to the room. 1003 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds. 1004 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 3: I like Josh Reynolds. That's the name I was thinking 1005 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 3: I couldn't come up with. That's one of my favorites 1006 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 3: on there. 1007 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 2: Paris Campbell, Sterling Shepherd, Equinomius Saint Brown. 1008 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: Shepherd's medical is so bad, but when he's out there, 1009 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: he's good. He's good when he's played. He just doesn't 1010 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: play all the time. Uh. 1011 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 2: Look Jared Agnew, Ques Watkins, Nicole Hardman. I mean, now 1012 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 2: you're done into the guys that are fringy. 1013 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 3: A lot of those are draft, yeah, but no end 1014 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 3: up being in the league, but they're going to be 1015 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 3: signed after the draft. 1016 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'd rather take two receivers in the draft. 1017 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, take take a chance at one of them is 1018 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 2: gonna be. 1019 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 3: There, and maybe one of the first round I mean 1020 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 3: Thomas and then third round slot. 1021 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1022 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 3: You know, it isn't the worst idea ever heard either, 1023 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 3: but I'd love the land Mike Williams. I'd be happy 1024 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 3: with Reynolds. Corey Davis is sort of exciting, Renfro is 1025 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 3: kind of exciting. There's four or five names there that 1026 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 3: fit the bill, but I think Williams stands out. 1027 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's still something that that probably happens at 1028 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 2: that position. And beyond that, I. 1029 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 3: Think there's trade possibilities too though, Yeah, I think there 1030 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 3: I think there could be. 1031 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: I mean Odell you didn't mention. 1032 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 3: I don't think he's for the Steelers, but he could 1033 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 3: fill the Jets need and then all of a sudden 1034 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 3: Williams lands either way or whatever. Stefan Diggs, I know 1035 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 3: you threw what we were going back and forth text 1036 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 3: and you mentioned Godwin. I mean, some of these guys 1037 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 3: that are expensive, maybe you can restructure their salaries, but 1038 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 3: they have the money to do these. 1039 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 2: I'd also perhaps call about some of these twenty twenty 1040 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 2: one wide receivers who were first round guys, who they 1041 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 2: are fifty year options coming up, and you know, just 1042 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 2: can the Eagles afford to keep Devonte Smith? Can the 1043 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: Dolphins afford to keep Jaylen Waddle? 1044 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: Because they're two's next to expensive. 1045 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 3: One next to expensive ones. Yeah, you want to see 1046 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 3: something comical. Pull up the Dolphins twenty fifteen salary cap situation. 1047 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 3: It is a disaster. It's it's like how we laughed 1048 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 3: about the Chargers before, and they've got like the fewest 1049 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 3: number of guys in. 1050 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: The fifteen or twenty five, twenty five. I'm sorry, we 1051 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: go on. We don't need a history. Why are we 1052 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: going back ten years? Right? 1053 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 3: No, I don't care about a year from now when 1054 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 3: the season. This season's over. It is a nightmare. And 1055 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 3: they have like the fewest number of guys under contract, 1056 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 3: one of which is not Toua that they keep saying 1057 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 3: they're gonna sign. Like, maybe you could pry Wattle. 1058 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 2: Away, Yeah, and that would be interesting to me. Yeah, 1059 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: I mean he's not he's not the big guy, but 1060 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 2: he does a lot of good He does a lot 1061 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 2: of good stuff. 1062 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1063 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 3: And we mentioned some big names there, and I didn't 1064 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 3: throw Davonte Adams out on purpose, and I wonder about Wattle. 1065 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 3: I really don't want to give up the first Yeah, 1066 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 3: you know, I mean to me, that might be the 1067 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 3: sticking point where this draft's two good twenty is too 1068 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 3: good for a cheap hopefully five year player, maybe more. 1069 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 3: I don't know my first was on the table for 1070 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 3: any of these deals. 1071 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be the that would be the sticking point. 1072 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,879 Speaker 3: But now you got two thirds, and you know, if 1073 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 3: you're trapping the trade your second, you can maybe get back. 1074 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 2: But if you make it, if you make a trade 1075 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 2: like that, you're still getting a relatively young. 1076 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,399 Speaker 1: Player a Wattle. Yeah, Wattle or Yeah. 1077 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if DeVante Smith fits quite as much, 1078 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 2: but Wattle. 1079 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. They're both good. 1080 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 2: Though, they're both good, there's no doubt about that. 1081 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,320 Speaker 1: I just think they're gonna be pricey. 1082 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 2: It's gonna be pricey. But they're still relatively young, they're established. 1083 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: You know, if they've played in the NFL. There's there's 1084 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: a NFL tape of them. Yeah, succeed. It's good. 1085 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's good that that would make some sense. 1086 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not like a Ritter or Howl trade. I mean, like, 1087 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 3: these guys are ones on a lot of teams. They're 1088 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 3: just going to cost you something good. And I'm really 1089 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 3: liking the day one and two of this. 1090 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: No, I agree. I think that's a last resort kind 1091 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: of that's the last resort kind of thing. 1092 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 3: But the other thing too, is some team might draft one, 1093 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 3: maybe the Bucks draft one, and all of a sudden, 1094 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 3: like you can have godwin two rounds cheaper now after 1095 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,760 Speaker 3: the draft than before, and it's a next your pig. Okay, 1096 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 3: you know things will change. Yeah, absolutely, long time between 1097 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 3: now and opening day. 1098 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 2: There are there certainly is still a long time before 1099 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 2: we even get to the draft. 1100 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it wouldn't shock. I mean, I'm 1101 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,399 Speaker 1: not predicting this. 1102 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 3: Or you could call Alan Robinson, Mason Cole, and Patrick 1103 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 3: Peterson to come back to I mean, and you know 1104 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 3: what they are. I think you want to do better 1105 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,879 Speaker 3: than all those I definitely do. But you could get 1106 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 3: those guys at massive discount rates too. 1107 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 2: Let's get to another break. That's going to do it 1108 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,399 Speaker 2: for our number one of the drive. We'll be back 1109 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 2: with our number two right after this