WEBVTT - Can Black People Be Colonizers? | MiniPod

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<v Speaker 1>Native Land Pod is a production of iHeart Radio in

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a mini pod and we're off the freaking

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<v Speaker 1>rails because Andrew wants to blow his nose in the

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<v Speaker 1>mic and then tells us that he can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>get around us to fart, So welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Home, literally, ma'am. Context nasty right now is out of context.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to get around you in fart.

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<v Speaker 3>Dinner table.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm at the dinner table now.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't give up being recorded, save up in

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<v Speaker 1>a damn podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Just for you. But you know what, we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>back to. We're gonna get car and we are.

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<v Speaker 1>On purpose and we still have the resident trollers. That's

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<v Speaker 1>his name is Andrew Gillim. Y'all don't know that because

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<v Speaker 1>he gets to be caught.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you you know? And whatever else he does.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, this is the real Andrew Gillim trying to wait

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<v Speaker 1>to fart.

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<v Speaker 5>What I'm saying the questions the record, I was supporting

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<v Speaker 5>my brother's no question, Please, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Native Land powd is BJ Brunius from New Orleans, Louisiana

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna tell you I was triggered by this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me tell you why, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>no black people who identify as gay before they identify

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<v Speaker 2>as black, not one. Straight people are the ones who

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<v Speaker 2>make a big deal out of who we go to

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<v Speaker 2>bed with. So the idea that we would identify first

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<v Speaker 2>with who we sleeping with when who were sleeping with

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<v Speaker 2>is is how y'all high the lens through with y'all

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<v Speaker 2>view us, not the lens through what we view ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>So we always black first. I got a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>black people taking on the views of white folk. White

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<v Speaker 2>folk view marginalized communities gaining aspects of equality as a

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<v Speaker 2>zero sum game, meaning that they got to lose something

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<v Speaker 2>in order for other people to gain. How did we

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<v Speaker 2>get to a place where black people feel the exact

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<v Speaker 2>same way about gay people, like for gay people to

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<v Speaker 2>gain rights means that black people lost something. Andrew, make

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<v Speaker 2>that make sense to me because I don't get it

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<v Speaker 2>as a black man.

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<v Speaker 6>You first, Yeah, I don't know why he name checked me,

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<v Speaker 6>because I definitely am not of that opinion. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>I pointed that out in our show, which was the

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<v Speaker 6>reason why it's easy to talk about the immigrant or

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<v Speaker 6>the LGBTQ identified person or the black person is the

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<v Speaker 6>other rising is the blaming. It is because of this

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<v Speaker 6>zero sum belief that that white folks tend to. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 6>that belief system is penetrated. I think society period. In

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<v Speaker 6>order for you, for you to gain, I have to lose.

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<v Speaker 6>And the way I spoke about it was it's the

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<v Speaker 6>same way I.

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<v Speaker 4>Believe power works.

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<v Speaker 6>The more power you share, the more you get that

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<v Speaker 6>it is not a limited resource, that it's an unlimited resource.

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<v Speaker 4>But this idea.

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<v Speaker 7>Of of of of seeing any other group as a

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<v Speaker 7>as equivalent to my loss of something, their existence being

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<v Speaker 7>a loss of something, you know, taking away from me.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't operate that way. I don't believe that way

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<v Speaker 6>and I but I do know that it is a

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<v Speaker 6>powerful instrument and politics when you can blame somebody else

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<v Speaker 6>for whatever misery you may be experiencing. If it's joblessness,

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<v Speaker 6>if it is a lack of access to resource, no

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<v Speaker 6>no or low education or no access to educational opportunities,

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<v Speaker 6>the other blame the other guy, Blame that woman, blame this.

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<v Speaker 6>Even in the Congress this week, them deciding that they

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<v Speaker 6>didn't want to extend the right of franchise for for

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<v Speaker 6>proxy voting, largely for women. Right, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 6>the coupling and the crumbling of the entire establishment, the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that women can take a few weeks after giving

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<v Speaker 6>birth and vote remotely. So it is a backwards way

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<v Speaker 6>of thinking. It is, however, a very powerful instrument and

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<v Speaker 6>politics and in society to otherise and to blame others

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<v Speaker 6>when you find yourself in.

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<v Speaker 4>A tight spot. I I'm sorry, please, Yeah, you got.

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<v Speaker 3>It A sorry bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just going to say, really quick, I am

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry. I have been calling him Brunius. His name

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<v Speaker 1>is BJ Brunius. I got it right now, BJ Brunius.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ellie, you have the floor. I'm gonna get to

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<v Speaker 1>BJ my cousin from Louisiana clearly in a moment.

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<v Speaker 5>So Andrew, I completely agree with you. I can completely

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<v Speaker 5>agree with BJ Brunius. It's not a zero sum game.

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<v Speaker 5>I am all about rising tie lifts all boats. But

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to stay on because I wanted to turn

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<v Speaker 5>the question around on him a little bit. And I

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<v Speaker 5>want to ask Brunius. I want to ask PJ. Why

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<v Speaker 5>is it that everybody hates us because one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things that I have learned painfully throughout my experience is,

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<v Speaker 5>ain't nobody want to be black? Ain't nobody want to

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<v Speaker 5>associate with us? Ain't nobody want to lock hands with

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<v Speaker 5>us as we march forward? And you see it all

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<v Speaker 5>the time that the minute this country grants non blackness

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<v Speaker 5>to any other group, they take it. They take it

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<v Speaker 5>with both hands. The minute you tell a Mexican or

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<v Speaker 5>a Guatemalan, or a gay person or a trans person,

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<v Speaker 5>then I guess what, you don't have to be treated

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<v Speaker 5>like those black folks. They're like, oh, yes, please, I

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<v Speaker 5>never was really that black anyway. They will abandon us

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<v Speaker 5>at the drop of a hat, and it is painful.

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen Egyptians. I've seen Egyptians be like, well, we

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<v Speaker 5>ain't black. I don't see why you're calling us. That's

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<v Speaker 5>just that's just wrong. We're not be associated with them negroes.

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<v Speaker 5>And they don't say it as nice as I just did,

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<v Speaker 5>right and and and it's hurtful to me because I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like the thing in this country, the way that

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<v Speaker 5>you prove that you're white in this country is to

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<v Speaker 5>shit on black people. That is, that is always to

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<v Speaker 5>use a video game term that is always the final boss.

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<v Speaker 5>That is always the final challenge to prove that you

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<v Speaker 5>get to that you deserve to be treated like a

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<v Speaker 5>white man in this country crap on some black folks,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I bring that up. I turn that question

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<v Speaker 5>around just to say that while I completely agree with

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<v Speaker 5>everything Andrew just said, I completely agree that it's not

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<v Speaker 5>a zero sum game, that it's that is a trick

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<v Speaker 5>done by the white man to try to keep everybody

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<v Speaker 5>divided and divisive. I will also say that some of

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<v Speaker 5>that I think feeling in the community that we have

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<v Speaker 5>to look out for us and it is a zero

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<v Speaker 5>sum game, is because we know that the minute the

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<v Speaker 5>white man gives you the gives you the star, y'all

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<v Speaker 5>are going to abandon us. And that is that is painful,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is something that our community is always trying

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<v Speaker 5>to work around and protect protect ourselves from the inevitable

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<v Speaker 5>knife that is coming for our next No.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I was gonna say, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that is so powerful to me here is

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<v Speaker 1>him talking about this zero sum because I did hear

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that throughout the election.

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<v Speaker 3>Season, and I love this and.

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<v Speaker 1>Combining this with some of the things that David Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>has shared, who's a good friend of ours who runs

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<v Speaker 1>the National Black Justice Coalition. He's like, we have never

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<v Speaker 1>said we're anything but black first, even with this data.

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<v Speaker 1>They they've got a commission with Terrence who joined us

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<v Speaker 1>last week. But I'm black first is a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I've always said, because people are like, well, aren't you

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<v Speaker 1>one first? I'm like, I lead with my black I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how not to do that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>a single black person tied to the culture, tied to

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<v Speaker 1>our experience who doesn't. And so I really am My

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<v Speaker 1>heart goes out to what BJ is saying, because I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that we are telling people in our families,

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<v Speaker 1>people in our friend circles, who are in the LGBTQIA community,

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to choose your blackness first.

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<v Speaker 3>In this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, we know we're doing that, so why

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<v Speaker 1>are you saying that to me? And I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>there is a different approach that we could and should

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<v Speaker 1>be using in this moment. I think my approach has

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<v Speaker 1>been that for survival purposes, we don't need to be

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<v Speaker 1>fragmenting off on micro agendas and various separatists agendas, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>when we're not all. We're not all under the umbrella

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<v Speaker 1>as it is, And I don't know a great way

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<v Speaker 1>to put that other than it has to be an

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<v Speaker 1>overall black agenda first, and I think, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, I hear BJ's pushback on that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an overall black agenda first should not.

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<v Speaker 3>Be at the expense of what I need to survive.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, And I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to figure out how we thread that needle because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not asking that, at least not overtly, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can see how the way that I'm framing it may

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<v Speaker 1>seem that way.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's not my intention. Yeah, I shall hear what

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<v Speaker 3>your response is, No.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear.

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<v Speaker 6>So where you're getting at is so rich, and I

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<v Speaker 6>feel that tension at a really deep level. And I

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<v Speaker 6>also feel very much what the brother is saying, because

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<v Speaker 6>he's saying, if not only do they get to see

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<v Speaker 6>my blackness first, but then they see my identity as

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<v Speaker 6>an LGBTQ person, and that makes if you get the flu,

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<v Speaker 6>if we get in the flu as black folks, then

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<v Speaker 6>what do I have? I got corona plus plus long

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<v Speaker 6>syndrome plus plus plus. The threat is just that much greater,

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<v Speaker 6>that much deeper. So I hear that as well. And

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<v Speaker 6>what I would say in response to this, with the

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<v Speaker 6>underlying assumption, which is is that LGBTQ folks who are

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<v Speaker 6>black have separated themselves off jump by saying I'm gay,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm by first, and then I'm black. That's not how

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<v Speaker 6>it happened in the election. What happened in the election

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<v Speaker 6>is political campaigns and political instruments decided to single out groups.

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<v Speaker 6>Whether it was the Harris campaign saying this is what

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<v Speaker 6>we're going to do for this group of people, or

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<v Speaker 6>whether it was the Trump folks saying, these people are

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<v Speaker 6>coming for our babies, our kids, our boys, and our

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<v Speaker 6>girls in our sports. And so they created a constituency,

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<v Speaker 6>this straw man constituency in some cases certainly on the right,

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<v Speaker 6>that then became the ire of a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 6>because they're saying, you know, times given.

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<v Speaker 4>You a special agenda, but then what about us?

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm so sick of all of these communities getting

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<v Speaker 6>precedents over us, because there's best show and that isn't

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<v Speaker 6>something that as I hear, you know, BJ he's saying

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<v Speaker 6>I never did that, and he could be right, but

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<v Speaker 6>society and the greater politic that billions of dollars went

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<v Speaker 6>into absolutely created these constituencies, whether it was an affirmative

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<v Speaker 6>agenda or a negative agenda, and it caused a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of folks in our community to react by saying, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't even know about this, but she wants.

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<v Speaker 4>To give rights to this group in this group, in

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<v Speaker 4>this Can.

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<v Speaker 1>He be saying, Tiffy, I know I want to hear you,

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<v Speaker 1>but answer this. Why you answering what you're gonna say?

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<v Speaker 1>But can you do you think that he could be saying,

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<v Speaker 1>even with an l g b t Q I A

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<v Speaker 1>focused agenda, we still left out of that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Could he be saying that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, that's possible too, that's why we need to have

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<v Speaker 6>come on the show invitation.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, I would say this first of all,

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<v Speaker 8>was leading with blackness. We don't even have a choice.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, when when you see me coming, you don't

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<v Speaker 8>see a woman coming, you see a black woman coming.

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<v Speaker 8>We particularly as black women, and I think for all

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<v Speaker 8>you know, even people who are in the LGBTQ community,

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of intersectionality in our community, we lead with

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<v Speaker 8>our blackness. I think Gary said it so beautifully. Gary Chambers,

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<v Speaker 8>activist and former politician out of uh, Louisiana. He said

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<v Speaker 8>it so beautifully. Before my mom and daddy knew I

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<v Speaker 8>was a boy, they knew I was black. And so

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's really challenging to consider anything else. And

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<v Speaker 8>so when we look at for these subgroups, the intersectionality

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<v Speaker 8>of it, when we look at the space of feminism.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, Betty fore Dan was was the face to society.

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<v Speaker 8>Gloria Steinem was the face of society, not shirlea Chism,

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<v Speaker 8>not Audrey Lord, not Bell Hooks, like not any of

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<v Speaker 8>our leaders elevated because with feminism and whiteness, they will

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<v Speaker 8>most likely choose race over gender, right, And so your point, Elie,

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<v Speaker 8>even when you look into other communities. I've done organizing

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<v Speaker 8>work with all communities of color, and there are anti

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<v Speaker 8>black movements in every community of color, in the Asian American,

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<v Speaker 8>Pacific Islander movement, in the Latino or community, in the

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<v Speaker 8>Latino community, in the Indigenous community.

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<v Speaker 3>It just exists.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I want to at least acknowledge what VJ

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<v Speaker 8>is saying, because the truth is, we have to acknowledge, yes,

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<v Speaker 8>we are not Like I never met no group of

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<v Speaker 8>black folks who are organizing against the gay community, who

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<v Speaker 8>are organizing against the trans community. That is something that

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<v Speaker 8>exists within white people who have been manipulated by somebody

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<v Speaker 8>who really they just want to seize power. But we

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<v Speaker 8>do have to acknowledge, though we may not be a

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<v Speaker 8>part of that organizing, there are people in our community

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<v Speaker 8>who have spoken ill of gay people. There are people

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<v Speaker 8>in our community with very big microphones who have spoken

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<v Speaker 8>ill of the trans community, and they need to be

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<v Speaker 8>called out. And because otherwise we're gaslighting this man by.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying, what what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 8>Like, No, of course there are people in our community.

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<v Speaker 8>I've set in churches where the preacher is there and

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<v Speaker 8>half the choir is gay, half my section is gay,

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<v Speaker 8>and they're talking about, you know, blasphemy and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>say that, you say you were born that way, be

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<v Speaker 8>born again, things that are so incredibly disrespectful to people.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I don't know how we get past that.

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<v Speaker 8>But to me, that is moving. How colonizers move to

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<v Speaker 8>his point, that is and I think we A larger

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<v Speaker 8>question might be do we have that ability to move

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<v Speaker 8>like they move? And I've seen us move that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't want to take away from the LGBT movement,

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<v Speaker 8>but I have seen and I have been guilty of this.

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<v Speaker 8>But like when you go to another country and the

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<v Speaker 8>service ain't fast enough for you, and you're like, but

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<v Speaker 8>I'm here and I need you to move faster. That

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<v Speaker 8>is a colonizer move. Like you need to adjust to

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<v Speaker 8>the culture here. When you go someplace outside of a

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<v Speaker 8>marreor and I don't like the music being play. Everybody

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<v Speaker 8>else is fine, I don't like the music me play.

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<v Speaker 8>That is a colonizer move. You have to adjust to

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<v Speaker 8>us here. And I think about those things in Ghana,

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<v Speaker 8>where there are very anti LGBTQ laws on the books,

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<v Speaker 8>It's like, can we actually be the gentrifiers? Can we

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<v Speaker 8>be the colonizers?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think in.

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<v Speaker 8>All areas where we do that, we have to challenge

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<v Speaker 8>ourselves to call it out within our community when we

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<v Speaker 8>see it from friends or foes alike, and not embody

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<v Speaker 8>those those characteristics ourselves, which I you know, I can certainly,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, challenge myself to do those things better. Well.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the things that I try to do in

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<v Speaker 5>our community when I hear some of this anti LGBTQ pushback,

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<v Speaker 5>when I hear some of this zero sum game pushback,

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<v Speaker 5>is that I always ask people, if I'm in the

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<v Speaker 5>shop or whatever, write me the law, right me, the

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<v Speaker 5>law that you think that we can have that lifts

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<v Speaker 5>us up but excludes them.

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<v Speaker 4>Write it.

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<v Speaker 5>I will tell you if that's going to work out

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<v Speaker 5>for you. Right, The easiest, simple, and most forward thinking

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<v Speaker 5>thing to do from a legal standpoint is equal protection

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<v Speaker 5>under the law. And every time you deviate from that

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<v Speaker 5>for whatever personal, parochial, religious conservative reasons, every time you

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<v Speaker 5>deviate from equal protection under the law, black people get

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<v Speaker 5>fucked every single time. So I don't care how much

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<v Speaker 5>you might hate these people, or disagree with these people,

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<v Speaker 5>or disagree with that lifestyle or whatever. But if you're

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<v Speaker 5>giving me a law that you want past, and that

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<v Speaker 5>law does not guarantee equal protection under it for all people,

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<v Speaker 5>regardless of race, color, creed, religion, sexual orientation, gender at birth,

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever the hell else you want to throw in there,

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<v Speaker 5>if that law is not equally applied to everybody, I

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<v Speaker 5>promise you that law will be used to hurt your heteronormative, heterosexual,

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<v Speaker 5>gun totin red, blood eaten black man. I promise you.

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<v Speaker 5>If it's not equal, it will be used against us

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<v Speaker 5>in some way.

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<v Speaker 9>And so that's one of my big ways. That's a

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<v Speaker 9>norse star. I mean to think about what would the

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<v Speaker 9>law be, and then we find ourselves where Tiffany was going,

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<v Speaker 9>which is in this spirit of a colonizer, and I

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<v Speaker 9>always talk about it in the spirit of power that

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<v Speaker 9>you know, we were talking about black law enforcement officers.

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<v Speaker 9>So we have encountered who move and operate, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>in very violent ways toward.

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<v Speaker 6>People in our community. And I'm saying, power does that.

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<v Speaker 6>When you adopt, you know, what you believe is the

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<v Speaker 6>is the the tools of the people in power. Then

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<v Speaker 6>you stop moving like we move, and you start moving

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<v Speaker 6>more adjacent to how they move because you think that's

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<v Speaker 6>how you keep maintaining and then grow and build power.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like, that's a black cop, Daddy. I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 5>those could be the worst.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, Hello, And I don't want to pick on cops,

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<v Speaker 6>but but really it is across the board, this mentality. Mentality,

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<v Speaker 6>whether it's going to a different country, a different type

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<v Speaker 6>of establishment, a different side of town, where you show

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<v Speaker 6>up and you think, because of your presence, it's supposed

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<v Speaker 6>to necessitate a different level of treatment, where something is

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<v Speaker 6>wrong with this space. The space is wrong because it

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<v Speaker 6>isn't catering to what my need is. When we began

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<v Speaker 6>this conversation, I wasn't trying. I wasn't speaking at what

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<v Speaker 6>the greater larger society is as it relates to how

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<v Speaker 6>black folks treat other lgbt QIA folks. My perspective was

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<v Speaker 6>just from the podcast we did last week in the

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<v Speaker 6>political terms, in which we were speaking around this whether

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<v Speaker 6>I lead versus as gay or if I lead versus black.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that's not what we were trying to go

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<v Speaker 6>in the direction of, but I will tell you this much,

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<v Speaker 6>I have stopped really caring about other people's opinions of me,

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<v Speaker 6>by and large, because most people's opinions of others is

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<v Speaker 6>really fueled by their own an individual and discrete experiences

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<v Speaker 6>that you're just a foil for. And so it's clear

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<v Speaker 6>that other people's allowance and acceptance and you know, the

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<v Speaker 6>subscription to me or what I believe or how I

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<v Speaker 6>move in the world is none of my business.

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<v Speaker 4>That's between them and their situations. And what we could.

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<v Speaker 6>All do is I think we're Elliott really you know,

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<v Speaker 6>into his point, which was we ought to be all

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<v Speaker 6>fighting for a legal system, a societal system where we

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<v Speaker 6>are not discriminating against people based off of these you know,

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<v Speaker 6>uh factors that if you were, if you were being

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<v Speaker 6>your most generous self to your directed at your your

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<v Speaker 6>opposite self, treat me like you want to treat that

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<v Speaker 6>that person with that generous spirit, and how you want

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<v Speaker 6>to be treated on the opposite end. And unfortunately, too

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<v Speaker 6>many of us divorce ourselves from that level of generosity

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<v Speaker 6>and humanity because we stop seeing the humanity and the

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<v Speaker 6>other person.

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<v Speaker 4>That sucks. And but I think that's what we are

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<v Speaker 4>as a greater society.

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<v Speaker 6>But this brother, really, I think I love for us

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<v Speaker 6>to be able to engage with him at some point

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<v Speaker 6>because I think there is some stuff there and and

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<v Speaker 6>the anti piece is huge. I've left churches, I've left

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<v Speaker 6>barbers I've left friends over slip comments that that get

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<v Speaker 6>at a deeper part of the meaning of that person

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<v Speaker 6>that is anti me.

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<v Speaker 4>And I hope that all of us exercise that right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's right have.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's always it's always only politics to people

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<v Speaker 5>who ain't directed that right. When it's hell, it's directed

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<v Speaker 5>that you. It's not politics, it is it is literally personal.

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<v Speaker 5>You are literally impinging on my right to exist and

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<v Speaker 5>move about the world as a fair, full and equal

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<v Speaker 5>person and that that that goes beyond politics.

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<v Speaker 1>And on that, especially because it looks like we've lost

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<v Speaker 1>our sister to we also have a right to end

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<v Speaker 1>this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Ellie has a right to sell them right.

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