1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Before we get started. This episode contains talk of sexual 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: abuse and suicide. Please take care while listening. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: It still feels incredibly weird to tell the story hearing 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: it come out of my mouth. This is crazy. This 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: sounds like some crazy movie that you would watch on 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Lifetime or Netflix. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Joanne Chew reached out to me after I posted on 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: social media about an investigation I was conducting. She wanted 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: to tell me her story. It was about something she'd 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: found online that made her feel violated, fearful, and powerless. 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: I was just bored one evening and I'm just going 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: to google my name and see what comes up. And 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: so I typed it in and I was just like, okay. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: The first few listings was my website or my IMDb page, 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: and then I kept scrolling down and then I said, 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: what what? What is this? 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Joanne found herself scrolling past dozens of listings on porn 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: sites with her name and her face sexually explicit photos 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: and videos of her doing things she'd never done and 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: had never thought of doing. 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: It's like my face on very disturbing and graphic content. 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: I apologize as if it's too graphic, but it's you know, 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 2: Joanne Choo slut horror or Joyann Chou impregnated by five 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: black men, something along the lines of that. So I 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: was like, I can't look I don't want to look 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: at this. I just can't. 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: Joanne works in events in the LA area, but she's 28 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: also a visual artist and an actor. She's gotten some 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: commercials and TV show roles, but you probably wouldn't recognize 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: her on the street from anything you've watched on Netflix 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: or Lifetime. Someone just found images of Joanne online and 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: used AI deep fake technology to recreate her likeness in 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: pornographic photos and videos. 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: I have like less than three thousand followers, but it 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're famous or you're not. I mean, 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: just looking at mister deep fakes, it's like they have 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: a whole alphabetized database. They probably have content on every 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: single actor or actress out there. It doesn't make it okay. 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: Mister deep fakes. Is why Joanne contacted me. I was 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: investigating the site, which at the time was the largest 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: deep fake porn site on the Internet, and when you 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: look at it, you do see names and faces you 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: probably know. But here was Joanne, a regular person whose 44 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: level of fame or followers didn't even come close to 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: celebrity status and she was being targeted by deep fakes. 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: When Joanne asked around, the response she got was that 47 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: deep fake porn was almost to be expected the more 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: success you had. 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: I told a couple of my other actress friends, and 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: they model, and some of them have a lot more 51 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: followers than I do. They have a bigger platform. They 52 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: are higher up on the food chain, and I talked 53 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: to them and they said, unfortunately, this is going to 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: happen the further you go in your career. 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: Bit. 56 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: If you want, just go ahead and post on your 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: social media saying something along the lines of this is 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: what I found. This is not me. This is not 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: something that I would ever do. If you see something 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: it's fake, because it's just at least it's out there 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: on the rec or you're speaking up against this. Should 62 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: people find this online, because at one point when I 63 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: typed in my name, my stuff wasn't coming up first anymore. 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: It was all of this content that's damaging to your reputation. 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: Joanne followed the advice, but it didn't stop the videos 66 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: from appearing on mister deep Fakes and other porn sites. 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: The content was multiplying. There was On one particular website, 68 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: there was an album of just me and it was 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: like close to two thousand photos and videos. 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: And it gets worse for Joanne. The person posting these videos. 71 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: He contacts her and he starts sending her multiple messages 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: on social media, even calling her by her childhood nickname Joe. Now, 73 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: this is just one example of a message Joanne received, 74 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: and we're going to use AI to read these messages. 75 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: I made up your personality and surrounded it with AI flesh. 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: I am a real man that desires your body and 77 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: isn't afraid to say so. Not your real one though, 78 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: that one is old and faded, but your aibody is 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: forever young, Joe. 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: I am making you immortal. 81 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: I just found it really creepy that he was doing that, 82 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: and it was making me question, is is this somebody 83 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: that I know? If it is someone I know, is 84 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: are we in any danger? Are they gonna look up 85 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: where my mom lives or something? Because that's what my 86 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: main concern was. So it's made me very very distrustful 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: of people in general. 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Joanne's mental health takes a toll. She's anxious, stressed, worried 89 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: for her safety, and she can't shake the intense feeling 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: of violation by this new kind of digital abuse. 91 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: You don't have ownership over your body anymore. 92 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 5: It's just. 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: It felt like it was being done to me physically. 94 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: I didn't say okay to this. I don't even know you, 95 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: and you're out here possibly making money off of this. 96 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: How is this okay? How is it not treated the 97 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: same as if you know, someone put their hands on 98 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: us and assaulted us. How is this not treated in 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: the same way, the violation of consent? It's just, yeah, 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: I felt like out of my body for a really 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: long time. 102 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: The abuse being done to Joanne was digital in nature, 103 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: but the impact was fundamentally human. The shame, humiliation, the 104 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: fear and. 105 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 5: Loss of control. 106 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: It's something I heard from victims over and over again. 107 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Sites like mister Deep Fakes allow people to take photos 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: of real people without their consent and create graphic, often violent, pornography, 109 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: made and shared for pleasure or profit. You're going to 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: hear many of these stories over the course of this series, 111 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: and mister Deep Fakes wasn't the only place that this 112 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: was happening, but it was the biggest among them and 113 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: by far the most dystopian website. I'd ever seen every day, 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: mister deep Fakes exposed thousands of women in the most 115 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: vulnerable way, and yet the person behind me, mister deep fakes, 116 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: was anonymous, and honestly, that just didn't sit right with me. 117 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Searching for Mister Deep Fakes, a four part 118 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: series on my investigation into the person behind the biggest 119 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: and most influential deep fake porn site on the Internet. 120 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 6: Do we want to declare it as an obsession? 121 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's okay, Like I don't know, I 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: would rather be obsessed. 123 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 5: Someone's got to be obsessed with it, right. 124 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Recently I sat down in the studio with two of 125 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: my key producers and longtime collaborators to talk deep fakes. 126 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 1: When my obsession with deep fake pornography began, I would 127 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: say it must have been twenty twenty two to twenty 128 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: twenty three. Remember chat gybt launches November twenty twenty two. 129 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: All everybody is talking about is artificial intelligence, and it's 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: so exciting and we can now do these wild things 131 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: that we can never do because of AI. 132 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: And I just. 133 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: Remember someone telling me about this site called mister deep Fakes. 134 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: I've been a technology journalist for fifteen years at CNN 135 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes and now my own company, Mostly Human Media, 136 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: and I have to say I have seen some pretty 137 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: wild stuff in that time. But typing mister deep Fakes 138 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: into my browser, I was blown away. It was immediately 139 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: looking at public facing women, celebrities, politicians, and these incredibly 140 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: graphic sexual videos doing things they would never do. They 141 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: were AI generated, but honestly, you almost couldn't even tell 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: the difference. And I didn't know it then, but learning 143 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: about mister deep Fakes was going to send me on 144 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: the most insane investigation of my career. My obsession was 145 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: about to spiral out of control and spiraling right alongside 146 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: me were Nicole and Roxy. 147 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 7: I am Roxy, I'm a documentary producer and director and filmmaker, 148 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 7: and I met Lorie doing our show on CNN called 149 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 7: Mostly Human. We had a lot of adventures, including attending 150 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 7: a engagement party for someone to a robot, going into 151 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 7: sex doll factories where they were installing AI into their heads. 152 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 7: And another highlight maybe is preparing LORII digitally for her 153 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 7: own death. 154 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: What about you? 155 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 6: Nicole Well, I met Laurie at sixteen Minutes and it 156 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 6: was during the time of COVID. So it was a 157 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 6: very interesting moment in time. But I think, you know, 158 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 6: I met Laurie at a time where I was really 159 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 6: considering leaving traditional journalism and found kind of a kindred 160 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 6: spirit in terms of thinking outside the box and looking 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 6: at stories and the deep human impact of and potential 162 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 6: for impact that these stories can have, and so reconnected 163 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 6: and started working out mostly human years later. 164 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Soon after I found out mister deep fakes, I introduced 165 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: Roxy and Nicole to it, and it didn't take long 166 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: for us to see that this wasn't just a site 167 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: for passive sexually explicit entertainment. Here's Nicole who dug deep 168 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: into the site. 169 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 6: I think the big thing that really made the site 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 6: feel dangerous is that it wasn't just a video hosting platform. 171 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 6: It ultimately was the largest centralized deep fake community or 172 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 6: AI porn. And on the site there were a number 173 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 6: of things you could do. You can watch graphic videos 174 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 6: of these celebrities, these influencers, these public figures. You can 175 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 6: swap services via marketplace, you can actually learn to create 176 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 6: deep fakes. You can discuss the tech advancement, and you 177 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 6: can join these forum chats with other users that really 178 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 6: helped to normalize this practice. I mean, what you really 179 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 6: can see on the site as we dug in was 180 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 6: like the future being built in real time, Like it 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 6: was this idea of your wish is AI's command, and 182 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 6: it really felt like a breeding ground for this kind 183 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 6: of new dystopian reality. 184 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: Mister deep Fakes had this messaging section forums where users 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: could chat with each other, and it was on these 186 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: forums that we could see this community, this army of 187 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: deep fake creators coming together and growing. And we're going 188 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: to share some of the messages we found there using 189 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: AI voices. 190 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 8: Hello, I only want NSFW deep fakes of my streamers, YouTubers, TikTokers, 191 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 8: obviously influencers. There will always be some who will not 192 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 8: do this kind of thing, in addition to the fact 193 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 8: that some know that we want to see them like this, 194 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 8: and thanks to these technologies, it will now be possible. 195 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 9: Hi there, I'm new to the forum and the deep 196 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 9: fake thing in general. By now, I've started with experimenting 197 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 9: deep fakes with deep face lab plus RX five eight 198 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 9: zero nitro plus eight gigabytes, and I'm getting good results. 199 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: In these forums, what we saw was a training ground, 200 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: tools and guides, teaching people how to deep fake someone. 201 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: There were all these face sets, like training data of 202 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: women's faces. 203 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 5: So that these users could take that and make their 204 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: own videos. 205 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: When they came across a snag something goes wrong, they 206 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: just brought it to the group and found the support 207 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: and help they needed to make the kind of deep 208 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: fakes they wanted. 209 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: I'm impressed at the quality and quantity of content. I'm 210 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: mostly into VR and POV. I'm also amazed at the 211 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: amount of resources to teach how to make deep fakes. 212 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: Again and again in these messages, we saw this growing 213 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: disconnect where people use this really technical language to talk 214 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: about all the ways they can violate women. 215 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 10: Wouldn't it be great to run a machine learning program 216 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 10: to enhance a model's hits. Frame to frame motion would 217 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 10: need to be considered. 218 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: There was also a financial incentive built in. Not only 219 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: was the site built to make money, but users could too. 220 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: Here's Nicole again. 221 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 6: So mister d Fakes was also a place where people 222 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 6: were making money and profiting off of these images. This 223 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 6: site is running ads and so makes ad revenue. And 224 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 6: there's also a marketplace on mister de fix where users 225 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 6: can connect with people who can make them for a 226 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 6: fee commission a specific DEFEASA. You can watch pay per 227 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 6: view deep fakes that people are posting. Some users have 228 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 6: subscription services. Some users are selling courses. 229 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 11: Special deal on courses and deep fake commissions fifty percent off. 230 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 11: Anything goes Niche YouTuber with ten thousand sub it's all. 231 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 6: Game, and so a big part of this community is 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 6: also profiting off of this new form of abuse. 233 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: But there was plenty that was for free. You could 234 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: watch most videos on the site without paying, and there 235 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: were users who would just take requests and turn around 236 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: a video because they wanted to. There did appear to 237 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: be some rules and regulations for how to use the 238 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: site and who you could deep fake. The person had 239 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: to be a public figure with a certain number of followers. 240 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: The person also had to be over eighteen, and there 241 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: was some evidence on the site that when users crossed 242 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: these lines there were consequences, but not always. 243 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 6: There were some people who were posting underage celebrities and 244 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 6: so they ended up making like a black list for that. 245 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 6: But when you actually dig into the forums, what you 246 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 6: can and can't do and what people are actually doing 247 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 6: are not the same thing. 248 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 10: Hi, this is awesome technology? Is it bad? I? Want 249 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 10: a deep fake of my sister in law. 250 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 6: There may be rules and regulations, but you see this 251 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 6: trickle down of people wanting to take this to people 252 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 6: they know. 253 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 12: In real life and really normalizing that right if people 254 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 12: are asking, it would be great to do this for 255 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 12: my sister in law. Obviously, sister in law doesn't necessarily 256 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 12: have hundreds of thousands of followers. 257 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 6: And it's technically something that wouldn't be allowed on the site. 258 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 6: But one trend that I found as well on mister 259 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 6: deep Fike's throughout is that they would really only change 260 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 6: something if someone really pressed and pushed for it. 261 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: It's almost like I couldn't have this woman, but with 262 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: AI I can. The focus was primarily famous, public facing 263 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: women naturally out of reach, but what we saw in 264 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: these forums was this desire to use this technology for anyone. 265 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: It's how someone like Joann Chew can be a victim 266 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: of deep fake porn, or how any of us can. 267 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 9: I'm interested in finding someone who could make some realistic 268 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 9: looking fakes of women I know and like in real life. 269 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 9: I think it would be fun and hot to view 270 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 9: them naked and engaged in sexual activities. Otherwise I'd never 271 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 9: be able to see them in or that they themselves 272 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 9: wouldn't even do. Really interested in hearing from someone who 273 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 9: could help and hopefully has a similar mindset about these 274 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 9: sort of things. 275 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 7: Wait, can I just ask? And something that I was 276 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 7: actually confused about, I guess always with mister deep fix 277 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 7: was the bodies that the faces are being put onto? 278 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 7: Are they real women as well? And then also is 279 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 7: there a mix of completely AI generated bodies? 280 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 6: The early sort of version was basically porn stars, so 281 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 6: there's there are actually chats of like how do we 282 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 6: match these models? 283 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 13: So? 284 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 6: How do I match this celebrity? I want to do 285 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 6: this too with a model who would look realistic with them. 286 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 6: Basically the model initially was a real sex video and 287 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 6: putting someone's face as if they performed that act. 288 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: It's like, and I think the thing that I look at, 289 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: it's like you were reducing these people to data sets. 290 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 5: Oh you want this data set doing this? Cool? You 291 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 5: want this doing this? 292 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 7: Oh? 293 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: And also I'm going to make money off of it too, 294 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: like these training manuals training on women's faces. 295 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: Like I just it's unbelievable. 296 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: And that is like deep fake technology at its scariest, 297 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: I think, at its peak there were seventeen million visits 298 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: to mister deep Fakes on a monthly basis. 299 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 5: We didn't just see a website. 300 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: We saw a breeding ground for a whole new type 301 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: of abuse. It was about a lack of consent online. 302 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: It was about a world where AI controls US and 303 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: we lose our agency, where these tools can humiliate someone, 304 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: tarnish their reputation, or bully them online with just a click. Now, 305 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: it might start on mister deep fakes, but the danger 306 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: behind it is that's not where it ends from. The 307 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: messages we saw US didn't really think what they were 308 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: doing was wrong, but they seem to recognize that others 309 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't exactly agree, and they wanted to protect it. 310 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: Let's keep track of proposals to outlaw deep fakes in 311 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: the US and around the world. To stay informed, we 312 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: should keep a vigilant eye on relevant legislation. Guys, watch 313 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: for proposed bills and discuss how we can continue to 314 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 4: do what we do. 315 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 11: You should all be using VPNs and doing fakes on 316 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 11: separate computers than your main one. Don't forget to ditch 317 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 11: Gmail emails, switch to encrypted providers, only pay for VPN 318 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 11: with crypto, just like piracy is illegal. They can't do 319 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 11: much unless you get caught or expose yourself. For this reason, 320 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 11: don't accept payments with PayPal or anything that can identify you. 321 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 11: Everyone should be using bitcoin or Monaro. 322 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this site and I just can't 323 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: help but think, how on earth is this allowed to 324 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: exist and who's behind it. 325 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 10: I was never into the fake scene, but I love technology. 326 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 10: AI fascinates me, and I just happened to learn about 327 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 10: deep fakes on YouTube. Glad to have people come here 328 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 10: to learn and experiment. 329 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: We did find an original mister deep fakes, one person, 330 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: an admin with the handle dpfks whose footprint was all 331 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: over the site from the very beginning. 332 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 10: Regardless of why you're here, we're glad to have you 333 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 10: in the growing community. 334 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: Is this the creator of this dystopian AI generated website 335 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: where women are violated every single day, where their likeness 336 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: is used to make highly graphic videos without their consent 337 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: for payment and pleasure. And here's the thing that bothered me. 338 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: The person behind this is exposing so many women, but 339 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: yet he would like to be anonymous to me. The 340 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: ability for this to operate in the dark and become 341 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: so influential was the problem. Not only did it give 342 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: him and his site power, it protected him and the 343 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: site and the users from real world consequences. So it 344 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: wasn't just about mister deep Fakes. It was about everything. 345 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: That this site represented a new AI dystopian reality that 346 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: none of us wanted to opt into. For that reason, 347 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: I believe that mister deep Fakes was one of the 348 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: most dangerous men on the Internet. 349 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 10: This tech is pretty new, but it definitely has way 350 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 10: more uses than making porn. But making porn with the 351 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 10: tech is kind of fun laughing face. 352 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: If the stuff that was happening in the video was 353 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: done to me in real life by this point, I 354 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: would most likely be dead or permanently disfigured. 355 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: Joanne Chew had accidentally discovered she was the victim of 356 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: AI deep fake pornography. Graphic sexually explicit videos featuring her face, 357 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: her name, and often her professional information were multiplying on 358 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: mister deep Fakes and other porn sites, and then the 359 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: videos jumped into the mainstream. 360 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: These videos started showing up on YouTube, and so I was. 361 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: I sent a complaint into YouTube and they sent me 362 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: this email that came back and it said this is 363 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: not a violation of your privacy and da da da 364 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: da da. So that's when I got really upset and 365 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: I posted it. I posted a reel online. 366 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 14: For the last several months, there has been a creator, 367 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 14: or maybe there were multiple, who have taken my face, 368 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 14: my name, my professional information, against my consent and created 369 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 14: over four hundred pieces of deep fake corn. A couple 370 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 14: of days ago, I discovered that they made a YouTube 371 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 14: channel of just me and promptly filed a complaint with YouTube. 372 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 14: Early this morning, they emailed back and they said, this 373 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 14: is not a violation. 374 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: How is this not a violation. 375 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 14: Someone has taken my name, my face, my professional information, 376 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 14: against my consent and is creating horrible, disgusting, degrading content 377 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 14: posting it all over the internet. 378 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 5: Make this make sense. 379 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: Joanne was feeling stuck. She had tried the public plea, 380 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: she'd tried appealing to the sites themselves, but the abuse 381 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't stop. Joanne thought maybe this was something she could 382 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: handle herself. She even became her own investigator, trying to 383 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: understand who was behind this. 384 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 2: The first username that popped up that was posting my 385 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: content was Ron Ripperton, and then he would sometimes post 386 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: as John Johnnerson so he liked to use alliterating names 387 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: and it was just very bizarre. But after I had 388 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: posted my statement online, a couple days later, he posted 389 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: a video on YouTube and it says, apologies to Joanne Chew, 390 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: I never meant for you to find this. I didn't 391 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: mean to hurt you. Here as a collection of images 392 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: celebrating your beauty that are not lewed. The content that 393 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: he was putting up on YouTube was almost more disturbing 394 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: than pornography, like oh Joyanchu in a gool girl uniform, 395 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: Joanne Chew and a Harry Potter or something. 396 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: Joanne tried professional help. She consulted with a lawyer, but 397 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: she soon learned that it was essentially the wild West legally, 398 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: so she connected with someone who described himself as an 399 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: ethical hacker to help get the videos taken down. He 400 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: got to work, but soon ran into a roadblock, especially 401 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: with sites like mister deep Fakes. 402 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 2: He was sending them the takedown notices and he was 403 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: telling me, unfortunately, mister deep fakes does not respond to 404 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: takedown notices. This cannot this can't be legal. You know 405 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: people that are saying, oh, what's the big deal, It's 406 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: not real. We know it's not real. But this is 407 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: not okay to have just knowing that somebody's doing this 408 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: and they're making money off of it, and they're damaging 409 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: your reputation, they're putting your name on it, and they're 410 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: circulating it everywhere to god knows how many people, and 411 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: it's only going to keep getting bigger and bigger. How 412 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: how can we be okay with that? It's I mean, 413 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: it feels like very much. It feels like it's being 414 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: done to me. So that's why I kind of again, well, 415 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: the upset when people are just you know, just just 416 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: it'll blow over. They'll stop eventually, and they'll start making 417 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: content about someone else that's not okay either. 418 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: It was devastating listening to Joanne's story just because of 419 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: that helplessness that she felt. How were there no laws 420 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: to protect her? How could a site like this just 421 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: keep going unchecked and unregulated. The story might be new 422 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence, but to a degree it was actually familiar. 423 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: This is the story where tech is new, laws are 424 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: slow to catch up, and women are the first victims. 425 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: Back in twenty fifteen, I reported on another cyber trend 426 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: that threatened women's autonomy online revenge porn. This was non 427 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: consentual pornography, everything from intimate photos hacked from an unknowing 428 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: victims computer to a private video taken by a couple 429 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: and then made public after the breakup. This material would 430 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: then be uploaded to the dark web, put on websites 431 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: devoted to shaming women, sold are bartered like trading cards, 432 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes used to blackmail victims. This is what happened 433 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: to Paris Hilton back in two thousand and four when 434 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: an intimate video of her was released without consent. What 435 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: was so disturbing to me about revenge porn at the 436 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: time was how there was just no system in place 437 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: to protect victims, no laws that can help. Once the 438 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: photos or videos made it online, it was nearly impossible 439 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: to stop the spread. There's also the emotional and mental stigma, 440 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: similar to deep fake pornography. I heard the same thing 441 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: over and over again, shame, humiliation, unfair judgment of the 442 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: women at the center of these incidents, and folks saying 443 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do, you just had to live 444 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: with it. The fact that revenge porn was often labeled 445 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: a scandal rather than abuse bothered me. And here we 446 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: are nearly a decade later, and women are even more 447 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: vulnerable to this type of abuse. You no longer need 448 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: an intimate video to be involved Today, all you need 449 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: to do is exists. Because with artificial intelligence, our most 450 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: intimate fee can be mimicked and used against us. 451 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: The fact that this has happened to me, this has 452 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: happened to other people, we have to speak up because 453 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: it's not just for us. We're doing it for everyone else, 454 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: because I know for some other for other people, it's 455 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: absolutely not safe for them to do anything about it. 456 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: And it's it's much too it's it's too heavy to 457 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: carry on yourself. And I know a lot of people. 458 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: They they they end their own lives over this, and 459 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: that's not something that is acceptable to me. Acceptable to me, 460 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: that's not something that can happen. 461 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: So what is allowed a site like mister Defix to 462 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: function was that it was operating in the dark. Even 463 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: though people like Joanne were being victimized by it, not 464 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: enough people were aware or even knew that this digital 465 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: threat was coming for them. We didn't even have the vocabulary, 466 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: neither did friends or loved ones. So it was incredibly isolating. 467 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: But then in early twenty twenty four, something happened to 468 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: crack that facade. 469 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 15: AI's being u to create pornographic images, and it was 470 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 15: Taylor Swift, the latest victim of this. 471 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was deep faked, and the world suddenly woke 472 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: up to this new form of abuse. Sexual deep fake 473 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: photos of Taylor Swift went viral on social media. One 474 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: of the fake images of Swift reportedly shared over forty 475 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: seven million times on x in what advocacy groups say 476 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: is a form of sexual abuse sexually supposed to deep 477 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: fakes of Taylor Swift go viral all over the Internet. 478 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: It was so bad on x that the company made 479 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: the decision to temporarily block searches of Taylor Swift on 480 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: the social media platform just to stop the deep fakes 481 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: from circulating. 482 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 5: But this isn't a fix. 483 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember thinking, if one of the most 484 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: powerful women in the world essentially has to be silenced 485 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: to be protected against this type of abuse, what hope 486 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: to the rest of us have? I realized that now 487 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: was the time to do something about mister deep fakes. 488 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: This wasn't just a professional decision either, This was personal. 489 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: This battle, of course, is so much bigger than mister 490 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: deep figs but I knew that we had to start 491 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: by uncovering the man behind the mask, and so that's 492 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: when I decided we got to find him. 493 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: We got to figure I know, do you have any idea? 494 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 15: Oh man, I put me on a spot for a 495 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 15: hacker name. Let's see uh. 496 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: David Kennedy is a cybersecurity expert and one of the 497 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: best hackers in the United States. He and his team 498 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: have protected the US from cyber threats from Russia and China. 499 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: And I thought if anyone could help me find someone 500 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: who can't be found, it could be David. So I 501 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: invited him to our office in New York to start 502 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: this investigation. Okay, so I want to talk about like 503 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: why you're here today. 504 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for coming in. 505 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: Of course, absolutely this is weirdly personal to me, and 506 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: maybe we can do a little therapy session trying to 507 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: figure out why. But like I just think deep fig 508 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: pornography is like this huge coming our way, and like 509 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: I don't even think we realize how big of a 510 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: threat this is. I think analyze threats, how big is it? 511 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: You know? 512 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 15: It's interesting because you look at defis not just from 513 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 15: a pornographic perspective. But also what they're doing in the 514 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 15: news and being able to interpret and release information for individuals. Right. 515 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 15: And there's some laws coming out specifically around defis or 516 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 15: run election cycles and things of that effect, where it's 517 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 15: a misdemeanor, a thousand dollars fine, maybe a year in prison, 518 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 15: but nothing around defix when it comes to pornography, right. 519 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 15: And you know, there are some likeness laws, but if 520 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 15: you're able to figure out who that person is that's 521 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 15: running the sites, you may have a case maybe for 522 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 15: defamation or something to that effect, But how are you 523 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 15: going to find them? The government really isn't moving towards this, 524 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 15: and they're really not talking much about it. But this 525 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 15: stuff has been going on for years and these sites 526 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 15: are huge, and the technology continues to get better and 527 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 15: better and better, and there's a lot of innovation happening 528 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 15: in this area unfortunately. 529 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: So I called you a couple of weeks ago and 530 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I just think that this 531 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: AI deep fake threat is horrific and it's coming especially 532 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: for women and children. And I think there's this guy, 533 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: mister deep fakes who's anonymous doing this and I'd love 534 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: help finding him. And you said, yes, talk about call 535 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: a friend. 536 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 5: I mean, that's insane, Like, why are you going to 537 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 5: help me? 538 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 8: You know? 539 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 15: For me, I have a young daughter, you know, I 540 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 15: can't imagine something like this happening to that, Right, it's 541 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 15: a For me, my whole career has always been trying 542 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 15: to make the world safer place and helping other people, right, 543 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 15: And to me, this is taking advantage of people that 544 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 15: are helpless and something that we can do to hopefully 545 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 15: combat it. And with technology moving so fast, we're supposed 546 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 15: to be here in the cyber industry to help law enforcement, 547 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 15: help the federal government get up to speed with this 548 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 15: type of stuff, and I don't think we're doing enough 549 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 15: to be able to do that. So for me, it's 550 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 15: a personal mission to try to figure out how best 551 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 15: can we make an impact to stop these types of 552 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 15: things from happening, because I don't want it to happen 553 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 15: to friends, family, anybody. It's a horrible situation. You see 554 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 15: what's going on with revenge porn and these other areas. 555 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 15: It's just absolutely disastrous for these individuals and horrible and 556 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 15: no one should be put through that. 557 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: The thing that just like pisses me off more than 558 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: anything is like the guy behind it like to be anonymous, 559 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: Like he's exploiting all of these women, yet he would 560 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: like to remain anonymous. And I think that's where I 561 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: got on my ed and I'm like, well, we should 562 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: find him and we should talk to him, and we 563 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: should really ask him some challenging questions. 564 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 5: What is your take on, mister deep fakes. 565 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 15: You know, this whole mister de fake site one of 566 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 15: the largest defake sites out there, and the reason why 567 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 15: it became extremely popular is because of the simplicity of 568 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 15: the site and it continues to get better. And this 569 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 15: all spawned a number of years ago in a Reddit forum. 570 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: This Reddit forum that David's talking about, it's from twenty 571 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: seventeen and it's where early deep fake porn first emerged. 572 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: It started as a community on Reddit where users use 573 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: technology to put celebrity faces on porn. When Reddit banned 574 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: the practice in twenty eighteen and flagged it as non 575 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: consensual abuse, the website mister deep Fakes, originally called dpfks 576 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: dot com at its launch, emerged that same month, seemingly 577 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: in direct response to the ban. 578 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 15: And so we know just a little bit of information 579 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 15: about him, not anything else other than you know male 580 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 15: United States, So that's about all we know. 581 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: Well. Anonymous, a man claiming to be from the US 582 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: and behind mister deep Fakes, had given an interview to 583 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: the BBC. In it, he made an eerie prediction for 584 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: the future, saying we've reached a point where anyone could 585 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: be deep faked as the tech grew better. But he 586 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: also didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing. 587 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: He said it was a fantasy because it was fake. 588 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: Can you tell me, like what you guys are going 589 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: to do, Like you have a whole team of like 590 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: good guy and galas hackers who are actually going to 591 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: help us. 592 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 5: That's pretty incredible. 593 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 13: Can you like give us a sense like what what 594 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 13: are they going to do? 595 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 15: You know, we have some of the top hackers in 596 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 15: the country. So one one of the main methods that 597 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 15: we leverage is what we call open source intelligence gathering. 598 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 15: And there's little artifacts in data and things that we 599 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 15: can piece together where maybe he messed up or maybe 600 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 15: when he was setting up a website, you know, he 601 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 15: didn't put on privacy right away. There are a lot 602 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 15: of things that we can do to comb through breach data, 603 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 15: looking at you know, registered emails associated different passwords I 604 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 15: can start to piece together with this puzzle. And we 605 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 15: have a whole other team dedicated to what we call counterintelligence, 606 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 15: which is researching, you know, the dark web, what information's 607 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 15: out there, being able to infiltrate different groups. And they're 608 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 15: really good at finding people and who individuals are. And 609 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 15: we've gone against some of the largest nation states out there, 610 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 15: to some of the biggest organized crime groups. I have 611 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 15: a feeling we'll have some good success here at least 612 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 15: to be able to try to figure out who this 613 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 15: individual is and how they're operating, where they're operating out 614 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 15: of and you know, maybe ask some more questions. 615 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: Should I be concerned, like for my own safety going 616 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: after mister deep fakes, you know. 617 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 15: And unfortunately when you're doing this type of work, you 618 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 15: always run that risk. You know, you don't know how 619 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 15: somebody is going to react. You know, we want to 620 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 15: take as much precaution as you possibly can, try to 621 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 15: figure out who they are before we, you know, start 622 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 15: publishing or exposing any data, and you know, try to 623 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 15: take an approach that is safe for everybody in this 624 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 15: and try to protect everybody with this. But you know, 625 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 15: we are doing some good work here to help a 626 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 15: lot of other folks. To me, that's usually worth it. 627 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: In the search for mister deep Fakes, I had Roxy 628 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: in a call and now and his team of hackers, 629 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: but I also needed some new recruits, and all my 630 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: years covering tech, I knew that social media could also 631 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: be used for good. So I put a call out 632 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: to see if anyone out there knew anything about mister 633 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: deep Fakes. I want to tell you the story of 634 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: a man that I believe is one of the most 635 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: dangerous men on the Internet that you. 636 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 13: Just haven't heard of yet. He goes by the name 637 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 13: mister deep Fakes. Ironically, this man would like to remain 638 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 13: anonymous after he's exposed so many people. 639 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 5: And my question is why. 640 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 13: So I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I 641 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 13: am going to track down mister deep Fakes, and I 642 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 13: have a lot of hard questions I want to ask him. 643 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: Speaking about my investigation so publicly was a gamble. This 644 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: might actually spook the man behind mister deep Fakes and 645 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: make it even harder to track him. But a part 646 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: of me was just hoping that someone would contact me 647 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: with his name and number and it would be as 648 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: easy as that. 649 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 5: And at the very least. 650 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: Going public was a way to hold myself and mister 651 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: deep Fakes accountable. 652 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 5: I talked this with Nicole and Roxy. 653 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 7: Any hesitation when you posted. 654 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah the second you put yourself out there to do 655 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: something like this because we didn't know, I mean, is 656 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: this guy dangerous? Is the person or people or community 657 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: going to be very angry? Right, Like I've been doxed before, 658 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: I've been a q drop when I covered QAnon right 659 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: where your infos put out there and people kind of 660 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: decide to make your life shitty online. 661 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 6: I think a thing that came up a lot was 662 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 6: this disconnect between the online world and the real world 663 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 6: impact that this was having. And so somebody and many 664 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 6: somebody sitting behind their computer screen thinking that this wasn't. 665 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: That big a deal. 666 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 6: But the reality is that our world has become more 667 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 6: and more this online world, and so I think it 668 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 6: really was the victims and the people being impacted by this, 669 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 6: and the potential that this is only going to grow 670 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 6: as a problem that really motivated us to do this. 671 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: So it was official, we had launched our search to 672 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: find the man behind mister deep Fakes. 673 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 5: David Kennedy and his team were. 674 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: Already digging around the internet for digital clues, and my 675 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: fishing expedition to social media that shout out to help 676 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: me might have actually paid off because we got a bite. 677 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 6: Do you know why this person reached out to you? 678 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: So he saw our TikTok video and he reached out 679 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: and he's like, I think. 680 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: We got him. 681 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: Six weeks after sending this call out on social media, 682 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: I get a DM. It's from someone in the Netherlands 683 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: who's claiming to have found mister deep fakes. But looking 684 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: at his profile, I was a bit skeptical. He only 685 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: had a handful of followers, there wasn't really a profile picture, 686 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: and I honestly wasn't sure if he was legit, but 687 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: I was definitely intrigued, so I immediately called Nicole. So 688 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: I went from TikTok, saw the message in my inbox 689 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: which said, hold on, hi, did you found the owner? 690 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: Did you found the owner of mister deep fakes? Because 691 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: we have found him. 692 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 13: Exclamation And he said we only sent one message to him, 693 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 13: and he started removing all his personal social media accounts, Facebook, Instagram, 694 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 13: mister deep fakes dot com is alfso offline for twenty hours. 695 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 5: When we confronted him, so it's I mean, it sounds promising. 696 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: I was desperate to get the tipster on the phone, 697 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: but it was the middle of the night in Europe. 698 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: So he agreed to call the next morning, and that 699 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: gave Nicole and I twelve hours to start our vetting. 700 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 5: And if this all. 701 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: Checked out, we'd have to move quickly or else mister 702 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: deep fakes could go even further underground. I think the 703 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 1: goal would be as soon as we get his name, 704 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: to try to do everything humanly possible to try to 705 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: get out there. 706 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: By early next week. 707 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 5: Next week on searching for mister deep Fakes. 708 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: I guess my question, which is the thing that has 709 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: been on my mind for the last nine or ten months. 710 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: Who is mister deep Fakes. 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