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Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brats, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. All right here it is. It's Tuesday
Speaker 1: of Draft week, and it is time for a draft
Speaker 1: preview edition of Talking Cowboys Live from the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Brian brought us kid
Speaker 1: Garrison taking your phone calls. Well, you're gonna break it
Speaker 1: down and go step by step through. Brian brought us
Speaker 1: top one hundred. How How do you like the sound
Speaker 1: of that? Brian, Let's do whatever we have to do.
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. Y'all ready for the draft? Yah know?
Speaker 1: Brian is yeah? I'm Rob. You ready for the draft?
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready for Thursday, most likely Friday, ready
Speaker 1: for them to add players. Let's do it. Mickey, you're
Speaker 1: ready for the draft. I did? I shaved. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go. Oh you did. That's right. I didn't look
Speaker 1: at your face yet. Thanks? All right, you shaved? Off
Speaker 1: your playoff Beard, that's right, just as the Stars advanced
Speaker 1: to the next round of the playoffs before they won
Speaker 1: last all right, so there you go. That may be
Speaker 1: the reason they won by a whisker last night. All right.
Speaker 1: As we approached draft day, and okay, do you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can trade into the first round, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: They could is if they trade something next year. They
Speaker 1: want to trade head because they can take your entire
Speaker 1: draft this year and they still can't get into the
Speaker 1: first round. You know, those pre draft press conferences are
Speaker 1: they are what they are. You don't learn much from it,
Speaker 1: but I you do get the sense they love those
Speaker 1: first round picks. And I mean Jerry was flat out
Speaker 1: honest saying it's no fun not having won. No offense
Speaker 1: to Amari Cooper, they love him, uh, but they value
Speaker 1: those first rounders. Who would you like to trade the
Speaker 1: first round four? That's your question. You're not going for
Speaker 1: a position, You're going for a player you interested. Rickey Williams, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think of And it kind of gets
Speaker 1: to what Gil Brandt was talking about, and Brian broad
Speaker 1: Us would probably echo those thoughts. Those those premier players
Speaker 1: probably go hold deep in that first round. They're off
Speaker 1: first round grades. Yeah, but I mean the the and
Speaker 1: you probably twelve of those twenty four are real difference makers,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean you could start, I mean
Speaker 1: to me, and it gets down to I think that
Speaker 1: it would stop with me right around probably eight team.
Speaker 1: There you go, it is where it would stop. There
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, So if you go from nineteen to
Speaker 1: forty something fifty and there's not a huge difference. We
Speaker 1: got to target a team in the back end. If
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this, you got to target a team
Speaker 1: with multiple picks, team that we're probably willing to move.
Speaker 1: Packers have multiple picks in the back of that round.
Speaker 1: The Raiders, of course have multiple picks. They've got twenty four,
Speaker 1: which is Chicago twenty seven, which is your own, you know.
Speaker 1: But what it would given what it would cost, what
Speaker 1: we just talked about, would it be more likely for
Speaker 1: them to try to make a small jump on day
Speaker 1: two if there's a guy they don't want to let
Speaker 1: slip away. We can go from fifty eight to forty
Speaker 1: five if we want to give up that ninety. That's
Speaker 1: how we have to think about it right there, which
Speaker 1: is exactly what they did. In twenty fourteen, they just
Speaker 1: thirteen spots for d Law and gave up their third
Speaker 1: rounder that year in addition to their sulf Okay, so
Speaker 1: that is a more realistic trade up. Okay, If I
Speaker 1: or first, can I get Quinnon and Williams? How many?
Speaker 1: How many future first rounder? Well you ask what all
Speaker 1: I want if I traded my first round pick. Let's
Speaker 1: say we want to get way up there and get
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna walk in and start. Let's let's think
Speaker 1: about if you got to twenty four, where would you
Speaker 1: at twenty four? Where would you you know, to get
Speaker 1: to twenty four, Probably you're probably looking at your one,
Speaker 1: two and your three one next year, two, this year, three,
Speaker 1: next year. You're talking like a Noah fan yeah or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: talking like a yeah if you, like I said, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to You're not looking at a position. You're
Speaker 1: looking you're going for a play player. If you're trying
Speaker 1: to get a player there, right. You know, if they
Speaker 1: had their pick at twenty seven, I think that that Williams,
Speaker 1: the kid from uh excuse me, Jeffrey Simmons from from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, would be it would have been a heck
Speaker 1: of a pick right there, even though it's despite the injury. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that right there, that's a pick that a general
Speaker 1: manager that's not going anywhere. That's what pick a guy
Speaker 1: like that makes because that's a guy it's gonna get
Speaker 1: healthy and he's gonna be he Mickey mentioned Quinn and Williams.
Speaker 1: This guy's a tick below Quinnon Williams in my opinion
Speaker 1: when you talk about defensive tackles and how disruptive he
Speaker 1: can be and how many times have they done it?
Speaker 1: Really in the second round, Jalen Smith, Bruce Carter go
Speaker 1: down the list, and Shaun Lee Shaun Lee coming off
Speaker 1: a CL's at Penn State. Yeah, and it's paid off,
Speaker 1: but not in the first not in the first. More
Speaker 1: they've been second round picks, if if if Okay, basically
Speaker 1: what you're looking at it twenty seven anyway is a
Speaker 1: second round grade, very similar to what you did with
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick picking him at thirty. They had a second
Speaker 1: round grade on Travis Frederick at the time. So that's
Speaker 1: you're looking at a second round player anyway. That's what
Speaker 1: this trap I mean. Do you talk to people around
Speaker 1: the league, they think this draft is really going to
Speaker 1: be good between rounds three and five. So we got
Speaker 1: to think three and five. We got to think about
Speaker 1: if we want to if we really want to give
Speaker 1: up our if we want to give up ninety, that
Speaker 1: pick at ninety, we have to think about that. Well,
Speaker 1: if it's if it's strong between three and five, then
Speaker 1: I'm talking trade back from fifty eight then and pick
Speaker 1: up an extra. You gotta be three to five to
Speaker 1: figure out who were trading away from. Now that's the
Speaker 1: next trade, right, and you have somebody there? Do you
Speaker 1: have somebody there that people are very interested in? Because
Speaker 1: you're not going to get somebody it's really easy to
Speaker 1: say trade back and then you don't get the value
Speaker 1: like they did in that Travis Travis Rider trade. They
Speaker 1: should have got a second round pick from forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: but but they had to take what they had to
Speaker 1: take because of trying to find, you know, to follow
Speaker 1: that many spots. So you have to you have to
Speaker 1: think about where you have to have a player, and
Speaker 1: you have to have an idea of how far back
Speaker 1: you want to go on that player. So that's all
Speaker 1: the things that you mean. You know, it's real, it's difficult,
Speaker 1: it's it's more difficult to trade back than you think,
Speaker 1: because people since desperation, they sense they sense you panicking
Speaker 1: of not wanting to stand there and make a pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I saw something on my Twitter timeline yesterday. I have
Speaker 1: no idea if there's any validity to it at all
Speaker 1: that maybe Adam Schefter reported something about San Francisco entertaining
Speaker 1: trade offers for Solomon Thomas if they are able to
Speaker 1: get who they want at number two overall, which they
Speaker 1: are going to be able to get who they want
Speaker 1: A Boso or Quinnan Williams was right there, right, All right,
Speaker 1: Let's just say that is just for grants. Let's say
Speaker 1: that's true and they are taking offers for Solomon Thomas.
Speaker 1: What would you be willing to give up to acquire
Speaker 1: Solomon Thomas from San Francisco. He's got three years of
Speaker 1: control left. We need to figure out where they had
Speaker 1: him in this stack when the year he came out
Speaker 1: and he was the third overall, was where he was
Speaker 1: drafted from San Francis. We need, of course, he's local
Speaker 1: from Coppel High School here in Dallas, right. We need
Speaker 1: to figure out if in fact that he was a
Speaker 1: top five player on this board, because then now you're
Speaker 1: in the similar, similar type of a situation. I think
Speaker 1: what the Arizona is trying to do with Rosen, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to lose, you
Speaker 1: don't want to just get totally embarrassed and say Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give you ninety and it works. I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to sit there and hold you up for
Speaker 1: fifty eight or something like that. I don't think they
Speaker 1: get a first for Solomon Thomas, but I think that
Speaker 1: they would. They would enter ten if you're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: we're willing to give you, you know, maybe fifty eight
Speaker 1: and maybe when you're compensed, that COMPENSI story four. So
Speaker 1: my question is would it be worth it to give
Speaker 1: up fifty eight for Solomon Thomas when you consider if
Speaker 1: you're hadh graded high. I mean, let's say you had
Speaker 1: it as a top five guy coming out, and when
Speaker 1: you consider the fact that you do have three years
Speaker 1: of control left with him, and you also have a
Speaker 1: situation where you're hunting three techniques to exactly you know
Speaker 1: where this team is one year from now at defensive tackle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is defensive tackle. Rich In that fifty eight range,
Speaker 1: you're looking probably a guy you're probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna have to take a guy early there
Speaker 1: that the Hill kid from Central Florida on my board
Speaker 1: more in that range of in the sixties. So what
Speaker 1: you're thinking about right there? Let me make sure I
Speaker 1: have that right. Yeah, Tristan Hill have a sixty seven.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's about what nine spots early or nine
Speaker 1: spots you know later? Yeah, well where you have him ranked,
Speaker 1: but where you need probably need to him. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: know if you told me Solomon Thomas, I could get
Speaker 1: him for fifty eight. I think I would entertain that
Speaker 1: if I would too. Now would San Francisco take that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but they're not going to get
Speaker 1: a one out of that, right I just told I
Speaker 1: just see, I'm not getting a one. They're trolling, trolling
Speaker 1: for what, Well, they're just throwing stuff out there. Why
Speaker 1: would San Francisco is or their reporters are well wait
Speaker 1: here here I read this. Somebody reported that Pittsburgh is
Speaker 1: willing to do just about anything to back out. They
Speaker 1: didn't say they said they it would be it. They
Speaker 1: were willing to do anything. Okay, so that means any
Speaker 1: position any heard the same thing about Yeah, Kevin Colbert
Speaker 1: will usually stand in there and make picks. That's kind
Speaker 1: of his end, right, Pittsburgh's Pittsburgh. It's very not opposed
Speaker 1: to anything that's good about that. Yeah, all right, when
Speaker 1: you look I think when you look at this draft
Speaker 1: or any draft, and when you look at needs on
Speaker 1: a team, you have to I think some people get
Speaker 1: caught up in what are the needs right now on
Speaker 1: this team? But I think you have to look ahead,
Speaker 1: what are the needs a year from now and two
Speaker 1: years from now on this team? And when you do
Speaker 1: that with this Cowboys roster the way it is in
Speaker 1: the Cowboys contracts, what are the biggest positions of need
Speaker 1: a year from now, not now, but a year from now. Well,
Speaker 1: you're you're losing two corners, right, You're likely going to
Speaker 1: lose Byron Jones a contractually and Anthony Brown. And then
Speaker 1: the following year you lose two more corners with a
Speaker 1: Woozier and Lewis. And you've got three safeties on one
Speaker 1: year deals right now, Jeff Heath, Cavon Fraser, and George I.
Speaker 1: Loco you just signed. So that whole second just to
Speaker 1: have Woods better contract, Yeah, that whole secondary could look
Speaker 1: vastly different a year from now. Now. Look at defensive tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, You've got Daniel Ross on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: You've got Malik on a one year deal. Covington Hyder.
Speaker 1: Hyder's off one wood situation because he had some practice
Speaker 1: squad time. If he's in his fourth year in the league.
Speaker 1: But is he the human log is an exclusive rights
Speaker 1: he'll be restricted, right, So he don't think he's the
Speaker 1: only one. Yeah, yeah, I think he is the only
Speaker 1: one that you've got a year from now basically under
Speaker 1: contract or defensive tackle. Look at wide receiver. We haven't
Speaker 1: thought about wide receiver that much. Well, you need to. Nope,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, Alan Hearns. Noah Brown would have one year
Speaker 1: left on his deal. Randall Cobb's got a one year deal, Hearns.
Speaker 1: Hearns is in this last just as his last year.
Speaker 1: Austin's in one year deal. Yep, right, Cobb. And then
Speaker 1: and then you just lost Cole Beasley and Terrence will
Speaker 1: and you gotta do something with Amari Cooper and so Cooper,
Speaker 1: we're gonna assume they're gonna sign Cooper and you'd have
Speaker 1: Gallop and then beyond that, you got Noah Brown would
Speaker 1: have one year left and Cedric Wilson would have two
Speaker 1: years left, and that's it. So that's a sneaky need
Speaker 1: right there. Yes, you could even say you could even
Speaker 1: look at defensive end and say, you know, Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: is here and he's gonna help this team a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's a one year deal, and um, and who
Speaker 1: knows what Randy Gregory's future is, what his status is
Speaker 1: this year, and Taco might not play well either, Taco
Speaker 1: move on from that. Um, So, yeah, Bill, you're right,
Speaker 1: I mean gott to be his last year, right Taco? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't, they could go any something. How about
Speaker 1: how about offensive line? He's not gonna get the fifth
Speaker 1: year tender, if that's what you're asking. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's got one more year before that, right right, all right?
Speaker 1: How about his defensive line a year from now? Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins is on a one one year left, so you
Speaker 1: got an opening at right tackle that could be I'm fleming.
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming is on a two year deal. Now they
Speaker 1: got Cam Fleming. I think Cam Fleming, this is what
Speaker 1: I think is gonna happen there at offensive line. I
Speaker 1: think if your Cam Fleming is gonna be your starter
Speaker 1: at right tackle, or they're gonna move Connor Williams back
Speaker 1: out like they did Lyle Collins. They're gonna let him
Speaker 1: play guard, then move him mouth to tackle and then guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they'll find a guard and then and then
Speaker 1: let's let's hope and pray that everything goes well with
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick and he's back out on good the other
Speaker 1: day when I had his chances move on Saturday, as
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he doesn't know for sure until
Speaker 1: he gets into training camp. Yeah, exactly what he's got
Speaker 1: coming better though. Yeah, sure that's and yeah Ann Xavier Suaphilo,
Speaker 1: Yeah there's another one. So, yeah, theyn't have enough picks.
Speaker 1: Another reason why literally make up the picks as you
Speaker 1: could get. They've got like thirty guys up at the
Speaker 1: end of next year. Now to your point, you gotta
Speaker 1: do something with amari Um Dak Prescott obviously, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the meat of the bulk of your roster
Speaker 1: has got to be addressed a year from now. So
Speaker 1: if you think of it that way, getting rid of
Speaker 1: picks this year is not real smartype. Yep, that was
Speaker 1: our mail. Bad question this morning. Actually would you would
Speaker 1: you stockpile? Yeah, And I'm of the what you were
Speaker 1: saying earlier kind of reminded me a little bit of
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, where it's like, oh, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: trade back, let's add picks. Are you getting the quality
Speaker 1: as opposed to the quantity instead of just sitting there
Speaker 1: and picking good football players that might be able to
Speaker 1: compete to start for you, if not this year, the
Speaker 1: next year, got to sit there and just take every
Speaker 1: pick they have. That that's when this team seems to
Speaker 1: do their best when they just sit there and pick players,
Speaker 1: trust the board, and go for it. That's you know,
Speaker 1: the moving up, the moving back and all that stuff
Speaker 1: that's great to it's great makes a great theater for
Speaker 1: the diet. But in actuality though, when they actually do
Speaker 1: their best when they sit there and just pick players.
Speaker 1: How many positions Zach Martin, Yeah right, yeah, how many positions?
Speaker 1: Did we just mentioned that they would have a need
Speaker 1: even our next year corner, safety, defensive tackle, defensive end,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, offensive line, and you can throw tight end
Speaker 1: in there too, and you still don't have a backup
Speaker 1: running back. And we sit there and we're talking about
Speaker 1: all these you know what's going to happen next year
Speaker 1: with all these with all the movement and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and guys potentially gone, They'll just do the same thing
Speaker 1: they did again this year. They'll determine a bunch of
Speaker 1: one year contracts and and go. You know, they got
Speaker 1: they got. They got Cam Fleming back on a two
Speaker 1: year deal from on a you know, it was only
Speaker 1: on a one year deal that that. You know, we
Speaker 1: we we talk about all the I think you need
Speaker 1: to worry about the positions that they need to worry
Speaker 1: about the positions where they have potential loss of starters.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you look at the cornerback spot,
Speaker 1: you look at they could potentially lose a guy with uh,
Speaker 1: you know, lose a starter with the Collins I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Malie Collins is and live Collins a year from now too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Crawford. I mean there's guys that they could probably
Speaker 1: move on from. But yeah, but I think you need
Speaker 1: to focus more. They can as long as they have
Speaker 1: the core their roster signed that the Zekes that docks
Speaker 1: those kind of guys, then you could focus in on
Speaker 1: the camp Flemings of the world and guys like that
Speaker 1: to help you with the depth on those one year deals.
Speaker 1: For sure, they've also got two. If you look at
Speaker 1: their roster, I think Hellman counted it up. They have
Speaker 1: the ability after the draft to have add about thirteen,
Speaker 1: you know, undrafted players. You know they've they've had a
Speaker 1: great history here of adding one or two guys that
Speaker 1: kind of makes a difference in that regard. So hopefully
Speaker 1: that will be another thing that Chris you know that
Speaker 1: Chris hall is, he continues to man and they continue
Speaker 1: to go off their board and get guys that they
Speaker 1: have draftable grades for That's where they're going to start
Speaker 1: after that draft. So you know, once that picks over
Speaker 1: it in the seventh round, boom, there they go to
Speaker 1: work and hopefully they can grab some guys that can
Speaker 1: can help them this season. Historically, yeah, one or two
Speaker 1: guys every year makes the team. Danny McCrae one of them. Ye,
Speaker 1: Bury Church. You can go down the list, Tony Romo, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right. The top one hundred is posted on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. It was posted yesterday. Did you how
Speaker 1: much did you enjoy putting that together? It was difficult
Speaker 1: because I've never done I've usually done fifty. But the
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't have a first round pick required. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What happens to you, though, is you get caught up
Speaker 1: on some guys that has very similar grades, you know,
Speaker 1: similar players that you know you get with those like
Speaker 1: the steal a Bill Parcel's line. Those wide receivers were
Speaker 1: stacked in there like club sandwiches. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things. So you're trying to separate those guys.
Speaker 1: You're trying to there was a lot of quality at
Speaker 1: running back, there was a lot of quality at tight end.
Speaker 1: So you find yourself trying to put these guys in
Speaker 1: the right spot. You know, Mickey was asking me about
Speaker 1: Drew Locke. I think, Mickey, I have him at sixty
Speaker 1: four on my board. Here is what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: So you know, but I thought that, you know, when
Speaker 1: you look at I thought Will Greer. It came down to,
Speaker 1: I think Will Greer and Locke are very similar type
Speaker 1: players for which look. I think Locke has a stronger arm.
Speaker 1: I think Will Greer is more accurate. So that's why
Speaker 1: I put them a little bit higher than where I
Speaker 1: had locked. So that's the problem you run into as
Speaker 1: you're trying to kind of figure out where a guy
Speaker 1: fits in the right spot on your board, but also
Speaker 1: though where they could potentially go, not so much for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, but for the league in general. So
Speaker 1: at quarterback, you've got Locke as your number five quarterback.
Speaker 1: You've got Murray at number eleven overall, Haskins Ohio State
Speaker 1: at number fourteen. You've got Daniel Jones from Duke at
Speaker 1: thirty two, right, Will Greer at forty one, and Drew
Speaker 1: Locke at sixty four. There's your top five, Finley and
Speaker 1: Finlay's after and Finlay's after ninety three. Yeah, So I mean,
Speaker 1: like I say, I think someone will be very very
Speaker 1: happy with Drew Locke, you know, I you know, you
Speaker 1: watch him play. There's a lot, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like about his ability. Like I said, I feel like
Speaker 1: that he has of the of the armed talent. You know,
Speaker 1: he's very much similar to what Haskins has, that that
Speaker 1: type of guy that can can throw off balance, doesn't
Speaker 1: have to have his feet set. But I just went
Speaker 1: for a little bit more accurate guy with career West Virginia.
Speaker 1: And it's it's hard to evaluate the big twelve guys too,
Speaker 1: because of the fact that the lack of defense that's
Speaker 1: played overall in that in that in that conference, it's
Speaker 1: it's tough because there's a lot of open throws, limited
Speaker 1: pass rush. Offensive lines are big. The Oklahoma line is huge.
Speaker 1: If you watch what you know, your your value where
Speaker 1: you had Samia gave him as a third round Yeah,
Speaker 1: Drew Samia absolutely. I mean position Oklahoma's got some players.
Speaker 1: I I just tried to be different from my board.
Speaker 1: That's the whole idea. Yeah, Okay, I laugh because you
Speaker 1: mentioned the big twelve defenses and I, oh lord, I
Speaker 1: had to watch that Oklahoma defense weekend in week out. Sure,
Speaker 1: And there's one guy you don't have in your top
Speaker 1: one hundred that I really like and this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's some people like Vanilla's, I'm like chocolate whatever.
Speaker 1: Hakim Butler, the wide receiver from Iowa State. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I saw him destroy Oklahoma not one
Speaker 1: year but two years in games and uh and so
Speaker 1: I like him. But I have dug into I haven't
Speaker 1: seen all the drops that others have seen in the
Speaker 1: route running. I'm just looking at I'm a drive by
Speaker 1: YouTube watcher, you know, And so I don't in the
Speaker 1: work that's that's you know, you have an opinion if
Speaker 1: you do the work. I appreciate that. I think with
Speaker 1: I think the thing that that that people people absolutely
Speaker 1: love Butler's size, there's no question about that. You know,
Speaker 1: you're telling my guy at six to five yeah, two
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and twenty something pounds. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a physical player with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: And but you do see some times where he'll body
Speaker 1: catch the ball, and I think that leads to inconsistencies
Speaker 1: with him. You know, you see him for a big guy,
Speaker 1: he should try and snatch the ball more, you know,
Speaker 1: extend those hands, use those big hands to try and
Speaker 1: and and and get the football. But you know it
Speaker 1: really where you watch him play, it takes him some
Speaker 1: time for the double moves and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: he's legitimately a four high four five four six type
Speaker 1: of runner. I know that the eight yeah, but but
Speaker 1: you watch him play, he doesn't play that way. You
Speaker 1: watch the watched the tape at iwas stayed, and he's
Speaker 1: not a guy that plays to that speed. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys have trained just he just dominated in
Speaker 1: the in the big twelve and uh and seemed to
Speaker 1: have strong hands, although apparently had drops as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I'm intrigued about with him is
Speaker 1: he was a basketball player and he and I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential with him because he came
Speaker 1: to football late. And in fact, if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: the Harrison Twins who played basketball at Kentucky, Uh, he's
Speaker 1: cousins with him, and actually his mom passed away after
Speaker 1: a battle with cancer in two thy twelve. And the
Speaker 1: Harrison twins who live in Houston, he grew up in Baltimore. Uh,
Speaker 1: they took him in in Riston and their dad and
Speaker 1: so he played basketball and then became a football player.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's interesting he got Noah Brown here smoking
Speaker 1: exactly one game against cornerbacks are now in prison. All right,
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Speaker 1: of course, they've got a second round pick number fifty
Speaker 1: eight overall on Friday night, a third round pick number
Speaker 1: ninety overall, couple of fourths one twenty eight, one thirty six,
Speaker 1: the fifth one sixty five on Saturday, and then a
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Speaker 1: one h four? The third their fourth the one that
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Speaker 1: would you consider that to move up to the top
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Speaker 1: six and go. Do you to have a player you
Speaker 1: think might be there? Well, I'm thinking that we're gonna
Speaker 1: sleep on my board after after I'm gonna do some
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Speaker 1: at ninety. I'm gonna do some damage at the end
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Speaker 1: next day and maybe and maybe because I don't have
Speaker 1: a sixth Yeah, so I'm gonna sit there. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use my four my well, I mean use
Speaker 1: both my fours were gone him, use my four to
Speaker 1: go up. I wonder I didn't say if there's a player,
Speaker 1: because usually when you're that, when you sleep on your
Speaker 1: board that third day, there's somebody there. There's that there's
Speaker 1: that player that's been you you maybe have a second
Speaker 1: round grade on or a third round grade on that
Speaker 1: you really really really like. That makes it makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Well, it wasn't correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Xavier Woods a guy they had kind of pegged
Speaker 1: in that range and they thought maybe did they think
Speaker 1: about moving up for him? And he kept falling and
Speaker 1: he kept falling. J Yeah, Joe Baker sixth round. Joe
Speaker 1: Baker came in and did a little talk with us.
Speaker 1: He's one of the coach is nice enough to you know,
Speaker 1: I guess he wasn't feeling like he wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 1: So he came in and during the draft and you know,
Speaker 1: we got on him a little bit about mag You
Speaker 1: gotta go to Xavier Woods. You gotta go get him.
Speaker 1: That's our guy. A third round, you gotta go get him,
Speaker 1: you know. And sure enough that worked out. But you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a guy like that, Maybe there's a guy
Speaker 1: that has a high grade and if you could just
Speaker 1: parlay those two fourth round picks and try and get
Speaker 1: you that's a valuable pick right there. I'm sure, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that Arizona is going to get a lot of
Speaker 1: offers for that pick. And then, you know, but that's
Speaker 1: the reason why they were bad and they had the
Speaker 1: first pick. Or weren't they trying to move up in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to take a quarterback Cowboys? Yeah, yep, begging
Speaker 1: and where they wound up, of course, taking one and
Speaker 1: one thirty four, But they were trying to get to
Speaker 1: the end of the third round, maybe top of the fourth.
Speaker 1: Was that Connor Cook? Connor Cook from where Connor Cook?
Speaker 1: Now he's on the street. What Oakland drafted him? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The AAF just folded. Boy. Yeah, where's Paxton Lynch? He's
Speaker 1: he's also where I deserved. Yeah, he's made me look
Speaker 1: bad there too. That's another one of those picks though.
Speaker 1: You know, these quarterbacks are difficult to evaluate and I
Speaker 1: never get him right. So that means Mickey's guy Locke
Speaker 1: will probably be a hall head number six to the Giants. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. Connor Cook, by the way, is with the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. That's I was looking, Michigan. I was looking.
Speaker 1: I was looking at up future guy this off season
Speaker 1: picked up? Didn't they as a backup? Yes? They did?
Speaker 1: Jacksonville wrong about that sounds right? I hate that I
Speaker 1: don't remember where all my misses go. I should I
Speaker 1: should remember all those guys go. He is still in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah am I No? Never mind? But to
Speaker 1: Brian's point, I mean Drew Locke may not be the
Speaker 1: sixth best player in the draft, but especially now that
Speaker 1: the picks are slotted, they don't cost as much as
Speaker 1: they used to to pay a quarterback in the first round.
Speaker 1: I mean teams are more comfortable region for a guy
Speaker 1: Tyler Murray the first best exactly, because if you nail it,
Speaker 1: that's the most important position on your team by far.
Speaker 1: It's worth region. Somebody helped me on periscope, Please where
Speaker 1: uh my guy is? Paxton Lynch. I guess I could
Speaker 1: look that up myself, but I want to get people involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get help us out. Yeah, help, I mean you
Speaker 1: can come on, help us out, periscope. I know you're
Speaker 1: out there listening, So help us out. Um. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know they can him. I know where he is, but
Speaker 1: I'll wait if you want to know, let's go go
Speaker 1: for it. We hang on. These people, man, they're just
Speaker 1: morched and talking about the guy's draft and they don't
Speaker 1: care about Packson Lynch. It's not where. I did not
Speaker 1: remember that he's here. I looked at Jacksonville. It's not there,
Speaker 1: not Jackson. No, it's not I thought to the opposite
Speaker 1: extreme of the you got the other way, you got him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Where is he? Where did you get him?
Speaker 1: I just are you punched him? Where's it? Bill? Please? Seattle? Seattle? Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go. I know something about quarterbacks up there. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: I want to see the picture. I want to see
Speaker 1: maybe he can save my ass. I want to see
Speaker 1: the picture Paxton Lynch alongside Russell Wilson. Yeah, except the
Speaker 1: picture that came up. He was still in his Denver uniform. Yeah, Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Yeah like your evaluation of him, Thank you, Damian. Damian
Speaker 1: Miles came up with that, appreciate that, thank you. It
Speaker 1: is the hardest position to evaluate because I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: When you can quarterback, you can look at all the
Speaker 1: measurables in the world for a quarterma and he had
Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, and I'm tall. When Elway took him,
Speaker 1: I was like going, oh, thank god, because I was
Speaker 1: thinking that and maybe John Elway does. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I start hearing, Oh, the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: trying to trade up, and I'm thinking, huh, all right, great,
Speaker 1: and now I'm thinking, like, man, the Cowboys are idiots
Speaker 1: like me. About these quarterbacks. There's so much that goes
Speaker 1: into that position besides dangibles. And Dak Prescott is the
Speaker 1: perfect example because Dak has talent, a lot of talent,
Speaker 1: but he's got other aspects to his game that make
Speaker 1: him valuable and that's why he's gonna make a lot
Speaker 1: of money, a lot of money. All Right, who's your
Speaker 1: pet cat in this second and third round? Who in
Speaker 1: this draft? Who's the guy that you like that? Oh?
Speaker 1: Any of you? Anybody? Day? I got a guy. I've
Speaker 1: got a guy. But I'll let y'all go first. Well
Speaker 1: it is okay, Well, let me ask you this because
Speaker 1: one of my pet cats I had to do him.
Speaker 1: My position is what I did. And the guy I
Speaker 1: would absolutely love to have is and I think we
Speaker 1: all maybe I shouldn't say all, but I think fans
Speaker 1: would appreciate the kid right from Washington. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that's the one. Well, and then another guy I
Speaker 1: really love is the Joe Wan Williams from Vanderbilt, the
Speaker 1: big tall corner from Vanderbilt, because he's like, he's like
Speaker 1: a prototype for Christopher Shard. He's perfect for Christoph Schard
Speaker 1: is what he is. So you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: look at him. I kind of look at you know, uh,
Speaker 1: I look at call your the defensive end from from
Speaker 1: from from TCU. I love the Williams kid from Texas
Speaker 1: A and m the running back. That's my pet cat.
Speaker 1: And there you go. I'm a little biased, but I
Speaker 1: mean I think he's a guy beyond Williams. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: look at him and he say, maybe it can't be
Speaker 1: a full time back, but he's gonna help your football team.
Speaker 1: And he's a he could be a change of pace.
Speaker 1: He can he can step in, he can pretty much
Speaker 1: do anything you ask him to do. Back there, I
Speaker 1: think the Warring kid that's tied end from San Diego
Speaker 1: State would be an interesting guy. Guy's a water polo goalie.
Speaker 1: I mean, I here, we do all kinds of the
Speaker 1: crazy things here at the Cowboys with tight ends. You
Speaker 1: could be like, you know, have all kinds of crazy
Speaker 1: things and they'll draft you. But yeah, this Warring kid
Speaker 1: him Nada. I know, Nada doesn't run very fast. But
Speaker 1: I think somebody's gonna get a really basic play tightening
Speaker 1: from Georgia. I kind of a guy I really like.
Speaker 1: All right, my pet cat? Is this the guy you
Speaker 1: agree with me on? Bill? I agree with you because
Speaker 1: you've got him ranked in your top one hundred, and
Speaker 1: so does gil Brand and you want a top one
Speaker 1: hund Yeah he had, he had a top one fifty.
Speaker 1: Oh good for him, Good for him. Did you see
Speaker 1: that he came out last week sometime and so pariscope
Speaker 1: slightened us up. They say they want love for Savage,
Speaker 1: the kid from Maryland, Dontrell Savage. Yeah, they want they
Speaker 1: want to they want to range long safety guy. It's
Speaker 1: what they want. Okay, got one. The guy that I
Speaker 1: like who, I mean, he's a sleeper guy. If you
Speaker 1: look at a sleeper. Well you said pet cat. You
Speaker 1: didn't say, well, he's my pet cat. Okay, love him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would take him in the second round myself. Okay, kay.
Speaker 1: Jalen heard wide receiver Baylor. Oh I love of that guy. Okay?
Speaker 1: Is this another guy that lit up Oklahoma? No? Well, now,
Speaker 1: I mean he was all Baylor had basically. Okay, but
Speaker 1: if you don't aren't familiar with his story, he was
Speaker 1: a top recruit running back recruit out of Tennessee, went
Speaker 1: to University of Tennessee, started at running back and Brian
Speaker 1: you know all this stuff, started at running back, ran
Speaker 1: for thirteen hundred yards one year, started ahead of Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara at Tennessee at running back. Yes, and then made
Speaker 1: the decision himself. I think after a couple of concussions
Speaker 1: as a running back at Tennessee that he felt like
Speaker 1: in the NFL he would have a longer life and
Speaker 1: maybe a longer life in general if he did not
Speaker 1: play running back anymore. And he was a two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty pound running back at Tennessee and he made
Speaker 1: the change to wide receiver and he didn't went into
Speaker 1: what was then there's now a transfer portal there wasn't
Speaker 1: a transfer portal then, but he transferred from Tennessee and
Speaker 1: he winds up at Baylor did Baylor and just liked
Speaker 1: the whole atmosphere there, and he played the slot and
Speaker 1: he also played some running back at Baylor this past year.
Speaker 1: And I just love this guy. They brought him in late.
Speaker 1: He was one of the last visits they had, and
Speaker 1: you know, he was kind of I think there were
Speaker 1: a lot of teams out there that were running him
Speaker 1: in to kind of get an idea about him. You know,
Speaker 1: he had a knee problem and so his scope his
Speaker 1: forty time wasn't as good. I mean going into going
Speaker 1: into the fall, everybody had about a four four speed
Speaker 1: on him that was numbers four four with a forty
Speaker 1: vertical and a three eighty five exactly. And then but
Speaker 1: he but then he turned around and he ran like
Speaker 1: four to sixty three and the forty and some people
Speaker 1: kind of fell off him a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 1: this guy, You're you're not wrong about this guy. Bill,
Speaker 1: you know talk about he didn't want to get you know,
Speaker 1: concussions and stuff like this. This guy run routes underneath though.
Speaker 1: He will take a ton of routes underneath, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know when you get the hands, the hands gonna
Speaker 1: the ball, he can make plays. I mean for a
Speaker 1: real tall, long guy, he makes some really nice moves
Speaker 1: in space. You know, you've kind of feel like that,
Speaker 1: tall lanky guys have trouble turning and breaking and cutting
Speaker 1: and this kid does not have any of those problems
Speaker 1: at all. So six six four and a half, two
Speaker 1: twenty eight to ten inch hands and his number, he
Speaker 1: had sixty nine catches, average fourteen yards of catch whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll carry the ball forty eight times for over two
Speaker 1: hundred yards and three touchdowns for Baylor this year. But
Speaker 1: but he I'm telling Matt Rule, the Baylor head coach
Speaker 1: who almost got a head coaching job in the NFL
Speaker 1: this offseason. Sure he quote from him, He'll play a
Speaker 1: long time in the NFL as a wide receiver. He
Speaker 1: will be an elitewide receiver. I've got a good friend
Speaker 1: who's on the coaching staff down there, and he said
Speaker 1: he's never been around a kid who practices harder than
Speaker 1: this kid does. And another coach down there said, literally,
Speaker 1: this might be the most talented player I've ever seen. Oh,
Speaker 1: kN Garrison, some Yeoman's work here. He's got Tennessee highlights
Speaker 1: in him running the ball on point. So if you're
Speaker 1: watching along with us, he's got Baylor highlights and he's
Speaker 1: throwing Tennessee highlights at you. A great job, Kient Garrison
Speaker 1: giving this. This is what I love about preparing for
Speaker 1: the draft. I dig in And that's why I have
Speaker 1: this green notebook. Is I dig into, pl to it
Speaker 1: and try to find players like that. Sure, I have
Speaker 1: no idea if this guy's gonna he may be a
Speaker 1: bust in the NFL, whatever, but I just enjoy finding
Speaker 1: players like that, and I think I think he's got
Speaker 1: a good shot at making it for a long time
Speaker 1: in the league. Third round, I like, I say I
Speaker 1: would take him at number fifty eight. I'm not you
Speaker 1: got him at number seventy five. I think on your list,
Speaker 1: Gil had him at eighty nine, and I think, um, Jamie,
Speaker 1: I think I think he may maybe it may be
Speaker 1: hard press, but that he'll be there at ninety. I've
Speaker 1: got him as he is my let me count these
Speaker 1: guys that would be five six. He's my seventh best
Speaker 1: receiver in the in the draft, is what he is.
Speaker 1: So take it back and he's my eighth best receiver
Speaker 1: in this draft. So yeah, I've got him at the
Speaker 1: top of the third round. So that's where I would
Speaker 1: I got him behind Ridley from Georgia is who I've got.
Speaker 1: So we'll see and you know, in his position flexibility. Okay,
Speaker 1: how would he fit on the Cowboys? Okay, yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: you got Randall Cobb in the slot. He was a
Speaker 1: former running back at Kentucky. There you go, and he
Speaker 1: was another one of my pet casts when he gave
Speaker 1: for sort of the same reasons he could play as
Speaker 1: a you know, he as a rookie this year. Well
Speaker 1: we we've already talked about where the Cowboys are at
Speaker 1: wide receiver a year from now, right, but he would
Speaker 1: have a role immediately on this team either as a
Speaker 1: slot as a third down back in the backfield. I'm
Speaker 1: they need a back, right, need a backtrack back. And
Speaker 1: people talk about, you know, you got to have a
Speaker 1: running back, right, they need a running back to backup Zeke,
Speaker 1: And that's true. But Zeke has not shown knock on
Speaker 1: wood injury history. You know Randall Cobb has, so maybe
Speaker 1: you know, maybe wide receiver. You look at that and say, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe we do need some deb just in case, I
Speaker 1: just got my my charts of all the teams and
Speaker 1: stuff and from the college visits. Philadelphia has two picks
Speaker 1: ahead of you in the second round, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many they have in the third.
Speaker 1: But they Philadelphia visited this kid. They visited a J. Brown,
Speaker 1: Paris Campbell, Kennil Harry, and then also Jalen Heard and
Speaker 1: then so they they're there. They ran in some receivers
Speaker 1: there as well. Looked at him to yeah, let me
Speaker 1: check that he might have been a visit with them
Speaker 1: as well, like you talked about, So this kid. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I just flipped to Tampa Bay. He
Speaker 1: visited Tampa too, as or as as well. So and
Speaker 1: he also visited the Tennessee Titans as well. I'm just
Speaker 1: flipping through these teams right now. Let's see if you
Speaker 1: visit the Washington Redskins. Uh No, No, visited the Redskins.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, there's there's several teams that are very
Speaker 1: very interested in this players. No, there's no question of that. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That's my guy, that's your guy. I think it's strapped
Speaker 1: to build. Feel free to patch yourself on the back
Speaker 1: if he gets drapped in he will you'll get drafted.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I say, I just I named off
Speaker 1: New York Jets. I could just go through all these teams. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see if he visited the Giants. No, he didn't
Speaker 1: visit the Giants. And again I could spend all day
Speaker 1: doing this and uh, you know, I just name like
Speaker 1: four teams right there that he's already five teams he's
Speaker 1: already visited. So at Minnesota Vikings add that to this
Speaker 1: guy was the wonder. He came to the Cowboys so late.
Speaker 1: He was traveling all over the country. He's got a
Speaker 1: free ticket on American airlines. Now, all traveling he was doing.
Speaker 1: And you catch him at the Admiral's Club. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: go interview him at the Admiral's Club. And if you
Speaker 1: do a search on him, different mock well not mock drafts,
Speaker 1: but draft lists that that aren't up to speed, he's
Speaker 1: listed as a seventh round prospect. Wow. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the problem. I can change between December and April. Right,
Speaker 1: it's exactly right. When people start studying these players, the
Speaker 1: teams already know about these players, but when once we
Speaker 1: start studying them, then they rise well, they team's already
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Speaker 1: to entertain your draft questions or any other questions you
Speaker 1: have about this Cowboys team, which is out on that
Speaker 1: practice field as the official offseason workouts began last week,
Speaker 1: and it looks like there's very good attendance out there.
Speaker 1: There is because they're all on one field. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all crowded together. Now. Things under construction here at
Speaker 1: the start. We know enough about the draft to say
Speaker 1: on periscope they're asking, and this is from our buddy Smith.
Speaker 1: He wants to is there somebody the fourth that could
Speaker 1: be a steel Bill? You've kind of looked at this.
Speaker 1: Is there somebody you like we would talk about heard?
Speaker 1: Is there something that in those fourth round those two
Speaker 1: two picks? Is there? How about that? Is there a position?
Speaker 1: Is there a position you guys are looking at and
Speaker 1: you kind of have earmarked. See I want those two
Speaker 1: picks right there. I wonder at safety, you know, because
Speaker 1: as it changed at the safety position, say Earth Day
Speaker 1: was yesterday. Yeah, thanks, folks, appreciate you, Brian. Have things
Speaker 1: changed as far as the safety position is concerned in
Speaker 1: recent years in the last couple of drafts where they
Speaker 1: take safeties earlier. There is at one point where safeties
Speaker 1: you could find safeties in the mid rounds because there
Speaker 1: wouldn't be corners would go earlier. But because of the
Speaker 1: way things have changed in the league now there's more
Speaker 1: of a premium on safeties because there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: safeties that in fact, you've got how many of your
Speaker 1: safety you've got one, two, three, four or five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight safeties in your top one hundred right there? Yeah? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if there's not that run on safeties in the
Speaker 1: third round, second and third round that we anticipate, maybe
Speaker 1: safety is a position that could be there in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, could be one of those that you want
Speaker 1: to trade up for at the beginning of the fourth round. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: We're looking at safety because we feel like it's the
Speaker 1: most unstable position. Well as far as the level of
Speaker 1: players there. I think there's an opportunity. Is that why
Speaker 1: we keep talking about safeties. There's an opportunity at safety.
Speaker 1: I think for a guy to come in and compete
Speaker 1: for snaps, it's possible. I don't I don't think signing
Speaker 1: you LOCA precludes a guy from coming in and doing that. Right,
Speaker 1: and at least you know, Jeff Heath is probably to
Speaker 1: me still you're starting strong safety. But it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you know, they've proven they will make a rotation at
Speaker 1: safety if a guy earned snaps. So it's hard looking
Speaker 1: at the roster and saying then this guy could be
Speaker 1: a starter even at fifty eight. But safety is one spot,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it earlier. There's it's wide open
Speaker 1: a year from now unless they bring all these guys back.
Speaker 1: So so you think they're taking their taking a look
Speaker 1: at their board and they're saying, well, they maybe they
Speaker 1: don't have eight. I mean I have six, eight, eight, Okay,
Speaker 1: if maybe they have five, Yeah, maybe they have five
Speaker 1: safeties in their top one hundred and you have seven
Speaker 1: corners in your top one. See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're looking at this and saying, you know what
Speaker 1: this might be a good time for us to grab it.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I take that back. I screwed R one
Speaker 1: three four. You have more corners in that one eleven
Speaker 1: night gill say? Did gill say it's the deepest safety
Speaker 1: class he's ever seen? Something like that? Does that mean
Speaker 1: you don't have to take one in the second? Maybe not.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my point, maybe that it may be
Speaker 1: the strength of it may fall into the fourth. Then
Speaker 1: if you were looking for a pet cat. One guy
Speaker 1: that I like is Up Hooker from Iowa, Right, Amani
Speaker 1: Cooper Hoop Cooper Hooker, because he's a guy that he
Speaker 1: If you like Xavier Woods as your deep safety, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that he can play in the box.
Speaker 1: He's a sure tackler, he's made some plays. I think
Speaker 1: he had four picks last year. So this is a
Speaker 1: guy that kind of fits a positional need for you, um,
Speaker 1: but also might be interchangeable, which is what this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing in rob And you're absolutely right
Speaker 1: about the description of the player, absolutely right about him.
Speaker 1: And he's a and he's a guy that is probably
Speaker 1: beyond the fifty eight range. He may be a ninety guy. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: If you're like Bill saying, if it drops out a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I had him outside, I had him
Speaker 1: in the fourth, but fourth, that's kind of where, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy has got some ability. Mean you
Speaker 1: would when you watch him play. He's a physical guy.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the you know, if they if
Speaker 1: they're looking at at play in woods as that single
Speaker 1: high guy and having somebody that can stand next to
Speaker 1: uh Smith and vander esh and and hold his own
Speaker 1: down there low. Yeah, this Maury Hooker is not a
Speaker 1: bad guy. Even could consider there for sure, say say
Speaker 1: Money Hooker and Mary Cooper together back to back five times? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried. Do you think somebody, I mean, okay, asking
Speaker 1: on a pariscope, you think they would dress the offensive
Speaker 1: line there? We got a lot of people writing in
Speaker 1: on our mail bag wanting that you know, at which
Speaker 1: at fort well, just somewhere fourth. Yeah, they need an
Speaker 1: offensive alignment? Yeah, which anybody that can groom them? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: no one's coming out of the woodwork on this team.
Speaker 1: I wonder what they really think of Redmond And I
Speaker 1: threw the name out there. They used him. He played
Speaker 1: some games, I mean, let's did okay, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, maybe, you know, with the two
Speaker 1: year deal too, with Fleming, maybe they think Fleming could
Speaker 1: be I'm I'm with you guys on you know, I'm
Speaker 1: with you on the offensive lineman part. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people see running back as being everybody wants
Speaker 1: Bryce Love. Stanford Kicks could get a steal potentially, yeah yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's you know, Bryce Love might be a guy
Speaker 1: that starts on pup and then next thing you know,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's one of your guys. And you know,
Speaker 1: for the for the two thousand yard rusher in college
Speaker 1: that is probably gonna get drafted below his talent level.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all those same lines. I love Rodney Anderson.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't love all the OU players. That's
Speaker 1: one that I do love. I guess okay, but the
Speaker 1: problem with him Bill the injuries, neck, broken leg, knee.
Speaker 1: I you know, my backup guy cannot be a train wreck, right,
Speaker 1: my backup guy. But he doesn't. I'm talking deep, He runs,
Speaker 1: he catches, and he blocks. There's no but if he's
Speaker 1: got when you start talking neck and running back, I
Speaker 1: just cringe. I turtle, man, I kind of what about
Speaker 1: the wide receiver from Clemson. Yes, Hunter, renfromer walk On
Speaker 1: like him. I saw him play, I saw him make plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of those guys in this draft, Mickey
Speaker 1: that are like that renfro, Andy Is Sabella. You know,
Speaker 1: there's they kind of if you're gonna, if you're gonna,
Speaker 1: maybe if I have to have a slot player, I'll
Speaker 1: just take that guy we just talked about. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about her. Yeah, Yeah, give me that guy. Give me
Speaker 1: somebody with some length. Fourth though, Yeah, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be a Cole Beasley clone. No kind of receivers
Speaker 1: you can put in the slot. They all don't have
Speaker 1: to bet. Let me ask you this though, running back
Speaker 1: or wide receiver. If you had to take an offensive
Speaker 1: player at say, at ninety at ninety, would you take
Speaker 1: an offensive tackler or guard at ninety. I love Trevion,
Speaker 1: but you'd have to get him at ninety, you know.
Speaker 1: And my whole deal is who's the player? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that they've got enough needs across the board
Speaker 1: that I'm looking more at player than I am positioned um.
Speaker 1: And so if you give me two players, then I'll
Speaker 1: tell you, like, if I've got a choice of Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurd or throw me a running back. Trevion Williams. Trevion Williams,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Jalen Hurd myself. Yeah, because he's like your
Speaker 1: favorite guy right right, well, and I mean that that
Speaker 1: player could fill more of a need a year from
Speaker 1: now than a backup running back. I'm sorry, like they
Speaker 1: need to address the depth there, but Ezekiel Elliott, I mean,
Speaker 1: knock on wood, he's he's playing ninety percent of the snaps.
Speaker 1: Usually it might be a little less than that this year,
Speaker 1: but he's a durable back. How much is as a
Speaker 1: backup running back really gonna play? And the other thing
Speaker 1: is if they're heaven forbid an injury to Zeke, then
Speaker 1: what do you got it? Right? I agree, I agree
Speaker 1: this might be unfair. Then okay, say you went her
Speaker 1: stern Burger the tight end from a and m Samia
Speaker 1: the guard from Oklahoma. I'll this is kind of a
Speaker 1: focus for you because you like You're you're talking all
Speaker 1: my guys here, or Nelson the defensive end from Iowa.
Speaker 1: I like him too, so I'm gonna give you defend
Speaker 1: out of the equation. Okay, I'll take I'll take herd
Speaker 1: out of the equation. I'll go Sternburger. Okay, I'll go Sternburger,
Speaker 1: the Samia, the the the guard from Okay tackle as well,
Speaker 1: Okay College, Trevion Williams the runner from Texas A and
Speaker 1: m Or Nelson the defense've been from Iowa. I may
Speaker 1: go with with Rob there on Trevion Williams. Yeah, run
Speaker 1: running back. So everybody's talking about running back at ninety
Speaker 1: then huh what about I don't love it. I don't
Speaker 1: have as much as I love it, but I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem if I and again I say I
Speaker 1: this is without really digging into the players myself. I've
Speaker 1: got a working knowledge of them, but I haven't dug
Speaker 1: in like Brian say, that's why you know it's unds fair.
Speaker 1: I'm just but you know, the player they seem to
Speaker 1: like too is the Ferguson kid from Louisiana Tech who
Speaker 1: some people have first round. Yeah, so now now, okay Ferguson.
Speaker 1: Then at fifty eight, are you guys on board with Ferguson? Rob?
Speaker 1: Rob Rob read all these defensive line problems we have
Speaker 1: contractually coming up? Well, that's why I think my original
Speaker 1: mock I had Callier because defensive end, edge rusher. But
Speaker 1: it could be a need from for you a year
Speaker 1: from now. It's not. You can't rule out addressing that pick,
Speaker 1: even though tackle might be more of a need this year.
Speaker 1: You know what position can get you beat? Quarterback? Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not wrong about that's obvious. What position can get
Speaker 1: you beat? Offensive line or defensive line? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: what are you Wide Receivers not gonna get you beat
Speaker 1: unless you don't have a good guy. You're thinking about
Speaker 1: the Rams game. I still am. Yeah, he's not going
Speaker 1: to get you beat. The free safety might the strongest.
Speaker 1: That goes back to what Stephen Jones said at the
Speaker 1: pre draft press conference. He said it's not a priority
Speaker 1: for us. Those playmaking safeties are rare. Right. If there's
Speaker 1: one there for you, you grab it is Darren Woodson there. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe not Darren Woodson, but he's like one of the
Speaker 1: greatest players. Every second round. I'm looking at my board
Speaker 1: and no, I just want to just position get you beat.
Speaker 1: And I can say no, no, no, positions not gonna
Speaker 1: get you beat. Yeah, you know, here's the deal at
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Okay, And I'm just going off the Brian
Speaker 1: brought us board here where you've got Quinnin William number two,
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver number three, Rashan Gary number nineteen, Dexter Lawrence
Speaker 1: is thirty three, Jeffrey Simmons number four on your list,
Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery's thirty seven, Christian Wilkins is sixteen, Draymond Jones
Speaker 1: is thirty six. So I just listed nearly ten defensive
Speaker 1: tackles who are in your top thirty six, thirty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's better than the defensive end, right it's Zac Allen's
Speaker 1: forty five. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Bosa Allan sweat. Those guys are the guys who are
Speaker 1: gonna go at the defensive end spot. Now, now, where
Speaker 1: the run is going to be is on these defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where some people are gonna make some hay.
Speaker 1: So if he thought that much of that position, yeah,
Speaker 1: then that answers the question, go defensive tackle, defensive tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they probably won't do it. I bet you they
Speaker 1: draft the kid Hill from Tristan Hill, Yeah, number sixty
Speaker 1: seven or fifty eight. I bet you they take him
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. He won't be there. Nine think I
Speaker 1: don't think so, and I'm gonna house similar to day
Speaker 1: in a mock draft. I'm gonna act like he's there
Speaker 1: because I think that they might take the cornerback Williams.
Speaker 1: I think Chris Richard is going to carry a real
Speaker 1: big stick in this draft room and he's gonna hit
Speaker 1: everybody over the head with it. This is the type
Speaker 1: of guy I like, Yeah, this is give me this guy.
Speaker 1: We've got all these things coming out. Get give me
Speaker 1: this guy. Give me this guy. Okay, I got two
Speaker 1: more names I want to throw out before we wrap
Speaker 1: up here, and one of them along the lines of
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, who's not getting any love. As Albert Huggins
Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Clemson. I'm talking mid round, you know, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round whatever. Some people got him as a six
Speaker 1: or seventh round talent. But he's a guy who is
Speaker 1: highly recruited and didn't play. You know, they got five
Speaker 1: defensive lineman from Clemson's that's why they gave out. If
Speaker 1: you look at their snaps, he got just about as
Speaker 1: many snaps and had as much production as Dexter Lawrence
Speaker 1: did for Clemson. I look at him as a guy
Speaker 1: who could be a mid round defense if you if
Speaker 1: you if you go a different route in the second
Speaker 1: and third round, he could be a mid round defensive
Speaker 1: tackle that you could. I'll give you. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a sleeper name too. It's not a sleeper. But if
Speaker 1: you running backs that Jalen Moore from Appleach you had
Speaker 1: him listed there. And if you don't know about Jalen
Speaker 1: Moore from app State, go take a peek at him.
Speaker 1: And a tight end Foster Moreau from Lash kind of
Speaker 1: complete guys. The tight end goes and he ran really
Speaker 1: well at the combine, which surprised me. Kind of inline.
Speaker 1: He's got some inline traits, could flex him. He's got
Speaker 1: some toughness to him. He will probably go before a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys that we talked about. How tough
Speaker 1: is he? Okay, Yeah, he had a weight room accident
Speaker 1: where I guess a bar fell on his mouth or something.
Speaker 1: He lost three teeth, okay, didn't miss a rep in practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's another thing you think about this team because you
Speaker 1: mentioned Witten. Yeah, guess what. Foster more whose birthday is
Speaker 1: same day, is the same as Jason May six six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he turns twenty two on May sixth. Hayson Winton turns
Speaker 1: thirty seven on May sixth, Foster More, what number did
Speaker 1: he wear at LSU? He warn Number eighteen, all right,
Speaker 1: number eighteen at LSU, famous number. That is exactly the
Speaker 1: number Brian brought us never war, did not wear. I'll
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