1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to Casual Friday. 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry, I'm Tracy V. Wilson. You heard us 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: say it on this week's episode. But we're all recording 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: from home, so Casual Friday really feels extra casual. I mean, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: I told Holly this story earlier. I have a whole 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: routine because I've been working from home for a really 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: long time, and like, I have a whole routine of 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: things that I need to do to make sure that 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: I stayed productive in this environment where I am by myself. 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: And yesterday when we were testing are all remote set 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: up number one, we were all at home all uh, 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, isolating ourselves and practicing our social distancing. It 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: was also my first day back in the office from 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: a vacation, which was an adventure. Um, and I was like, 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm not even disguising the fact that I have obvia 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: BedHead in this video. This is how it is today. Well, 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: for what it's worth of sitting here in porg pajamas, 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: everybody's casual sometimes, Uh, these are strange times we live 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 1: in and we kind of uh ended up doing shows 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: this week that kind of fit in with the strange 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: times we're living in UM. I specifically chose mine because 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: of it. As I mentioned at the top of that show, 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: just about Maxivon Pettenkofer and his work as an anti contagionist. 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Thinking that people could not just transmit disease from one 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: another or through like a water source or whatnot. He 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: thought a whole lot of other stuff had to happen. 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: That is a fascinating and strange and sort of marvelous 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: story because he still led to a lot of really 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: important developments in public health and hygiene. But what really 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: got Tracy was that he drank boullion that he had 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: mixed cholera into the microbe that caused this cholera, I 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: should say, which is funny because for some reason that 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't gross me out so much. They gross me out 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: a lot. I think it's really foolish. And one of 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: the things that I wanted to mention in this in 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: this chat that I didn't talk about in the episode 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: because it's largely hearsay and supposition, is that there are people, 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: biographers or even scientists that have studied his work that 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: actually think that was something of a death wish situation 41 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: because he had lost his wife just a couple of 42 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: years before that, he was kind of falling into a 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: dark place in terms of his psyche. Um that he 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of expected that he might die because at that point, 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: remember um Hoke had kind of proven the connection between 46 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: this microbe and cholera, so uh it is And ultimately 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: because he did take his own life, like he clearly 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: was in a space where those kinds of thoughts were happening. 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: But I just don't we don't know for sure. Yeah, 50 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: it's such risky behavior. Yeah. I think the reason that 51 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: it grossed me out as much as it did, um 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: was that he is not the only person to have 53 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: done a similar kind of experiment. Like one of the 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: ways that people tried to connect um h pylori with 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: having ulcers was consuming it. And some of those self 56 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: experiments have been way grosser. And it's like, my head 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: just sort of became this tangle of gross experiments while 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: I was eating, and I was like, this is not pleasant. Yeah, 59 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: your brain went down the chain of ick it real, 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: did um. Yeah. But then of course we we owe 61 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: so much to him in terms of just like how 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: cities are built, particularly European cities, a lot of them 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: that that had significant overhauls in in infrastructure or like 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: the development of a really serious infrastructure in reaction to 65 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: coll or outbreak. A lot of the work that they 66 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: did was based on recommendations that he made about how 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: to build a cleaner, more sanitary city, which is pretty, uh, 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: fantastic and interesting. Yeah, I mean it's it's so weird 69 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: because I guess it's not really weird. Like he he 70 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: was on the wrong track in some ways. But at 71 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: the same time, a lot of the things that he 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: was saying, um, had to be present in order for 73 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: the disease to be transmitted. Like, those are still things 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: that are really important to have. It's still really important 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: to have clean water and good sanitation and like all 76 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: of that. So even though those were not required factors 77 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: for a person to be sick, they're still really important. Yeah. Yeah, 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: he was not like because if your water is dirty, 79 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: it could be carrying microbes. He was just like, Oh, 80 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: if you're healthy, you're never gonna get them anyway. Um, 81 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: and if your city is healthy, it's never going to 82 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: promote the fermentation of these diseases. So I will say 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: this in talking and will transition to your episode that 84 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: you researched this week with it. When you read the 85 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: listener mail about the urine tasting, I think I would 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: rather drink colera. Okay, but that's just me. Everybody's got 87 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: their own weights and measures on these matters. Yeah, yeah, so. 88 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: Um So, the episode on the development of the poison 89 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: control system in the US UM is not something that 90 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: was planned in any kind of conjunction with like the 91 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: current public health and pandemic situation that we are in. Um. 92 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: It was completely finished and emailed to Holly before I 93 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: went on vacation, at which point the situation here in 94 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: the US was dramatically different. Um So, it was just 95 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: a total coincidence. Number one that we wound up with 96 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of a public health medical history week, and then 97 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: number two that it like is coming out at this 98 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: point when it is UM. I didn't realize until getting 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: into the research that the there being a one centralized 100 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: number for people to call is a pretty new thing 101 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: because I was born in ninety five and I know 102 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: for certain that my mother had to call poison control 103 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: on me at least twice. And uh, in my head, 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: that was the same number that anyone could call. Um, 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: I think, because like I think, the way I got 106 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: this in my head was that we lived, as I've 107 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: said before, in a pretty rural area. We were not 108 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: served by nine one one, So when you saw these 109 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: like public service announcements about calling nine one one in 110 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: an emergency, there was no nine one one where we were. 111 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: But the poison control number that we were served by 112 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: was the same as it was for people in the 113 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: city who did have nine one one coverage, Which is 114 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: the whole weird thing, like a weird conclusion that my 115 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: brain drew from that whole experience. Yeah, I UM. When 116 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: I read your outline, initially the story about how chewable 117 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: children's aspirin was a real problem resonated very personally because 118 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: someone me may have eaten the whole bottle's worth. It's 119 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: a kid. Well here's what happened. So, um, I think 120 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: I had like a I don't know, a headache or 121 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: a fever or something, and I have siblings that are 122 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: a pretty fair margin older than me, and so one 123 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: of my siblings had opened the bottle to give me 124 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: the appropriate dose, and when they did the bottle, I 125 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: think the bottle cracked or something happened where they couldn't 126 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: close it again, and so they dumped the pills into 127 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: a little dish that was on the kitchen counter, thinking 128 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I will put these somewhere safe later, And then they 129 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: got left on the kitchen counter, and I was like, 130 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: these are delicious. Um. But that was after the shift 131 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: had been made where the amount that were sold in 132 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: anyone bottle was small enough that a healthy and robust 133 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: child like myself was fine. Yeah, I just had no 134 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: aches and pains. I probably felt bulletproof. It could have 135 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: run through the neighborhood, like crashing into things and be 136 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: like I finally kept going, yeah, I, um, I'm not. 137 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't recall personally any of the times um that 138 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: my mom had to call poison control. So it's like 139 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: I've heard them told you me, my my mom, um. 140 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: And one was I had found um fingernail polish and 141 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: painted my face with it nice and she wasn't sure 142 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: if any of it had gotten into my mouth. Um, 143 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: I ate easter grass out of my Easter basket. Well, 144 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: now they make edible grass just for children like you. Um. 145 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: And that like that was not that was non toxic. 146 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: And then I think I don't think she called poison control. 147 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: This time, I think she called the pediatri shian Um. 148 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: When I was still very young and did not really 149 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: understand the difference between real and make believe, I told 150 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: her I had swallowed a pin off the ironing board. Um, 151 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: she called, I think, my pediatrician, and not poison control. 152 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, Uh, so you were a liar as a child, 153 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: that's what you're telling. I did become a liar a 154 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: little later when I did know what the difference between 155 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: truth and falsehood was. Um. This was more like I 156 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: didn't quite get the grasp between things I imagined and 157 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: things that were real quite yet. I had some other 158 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: things at some other point that I wanted to make 159 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: that poison control that I forgot. I think it was 160 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: mostly related to the whole advent of uh safety packaging 161 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: for all of these things, and how um like simultaneously, 162 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: so many of these packaging types have made it much 163 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: safer to have these kinds of some substances in homes 164 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: where they are also small children or pets or whatever. 165 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: But then the counterbalance to all of that is that 166 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: a lot of times it makes it hard for people 167 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: to get into their own medications if they are disabled 168 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: or just getting older, uh, and not not quite able 169 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: to manipulate things as well, and like that had led 170 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: to this the whole uh trying to get people accessible 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: packaging while also making sure that's not gonna lead to 172 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: poisoning down the roll and it's a whole it's a 173 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: whole tangle. Yeah, I will say, Uh. To my mind, 174 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: one of the greatest blessings of modern pharmacies are the 175 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: caps that can either be child proof or regular people 176 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: that's fancy where they flip one way or the other. 177 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: I just a prescription for an anti inflammatory that has 178 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: like it screws on normally and it's easy peasy, uh. 179 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: For if they literally said are there any children in 180 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: your household? And I said nope, And they said, do 181 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: you want the easy side of the cap to be 182 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: screwed on? And I said up and so, but you 183 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: can flip it the other way and it does that 184 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: locking push down to open mechanism, but the other way 185 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: it's it's super simple and just a quick twist. That's 186 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: very cool. It's such a simple yet brilliant invention. Praise 187 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: whoever came up with it. Yeah. So that's our episodes 188 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: for this week. 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