WEBVTT - Draft Show: Final Thoughts from the 2023 NFL Draft 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:11.959 This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.800 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.720 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.599 Dallas Cowboys Tyler and now. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.280 Your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.159 Today is Wednesday, May third, and we are officially a 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.160 week after the twenty twenty three NFL Draft in Kansas City. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.599 Welcome into the Draft Show as we wrap things up 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.040 in Tyabo on the draft class in twenty twenty three. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.639 We have got Brian Prades, Sach Walchuck Ayisha Morrison. I'm 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.839 Kyle Yeomans, Chris Beam in the back. Everybody, have you 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.560 recovered yet from draft weekend? Yes? 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.880 Yes you have? Yes, that's good. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:55.360 Yes. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.320 When did it hit that you recovered, like like ten 0:00:58.360 --> 0:00:58.920 minutes ago? 0:00:59.280 --> 0:00:59.880 Yesterday? 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:00.400 Yesterday? 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.400 It was the first yesterday for me when I was 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.640 like freedom. I was like, oh my god. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.640 Yes, Like when I when I looked and I started 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.240 prepping for today and I had to look at like 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.840 eight players just to review them and stuff and then 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.320 start touching on the undrafted free agents and it wasn't 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.640 like twenty players. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:25.160 It hit me that it was over, y'all, Like y'all know. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:26.080 This is my first one. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.880 So this is you know, just getting the hang of 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.400 the feel of draft. And once it starts, there's no 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.280 stopping no, so you know, you know how much more 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.039 we have to be locked into this because we're providing information. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.679 It is a change of pace mentally to kind of 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:41.199 come down. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.840 So I am yesterday was I. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.280 Was like, oh, this isn't okay, I don't It's not 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:46.840 that bad. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.440 It's a little I was a little sad, you know 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.560 now that it just comes crashing down, It's like all 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.360 of a sudden boom, it's over. We're grinding, we're watching 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.600 three to five players a night, and then all of 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.200 a sudden, Monday rolls around. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:01:59.320 Brian, I don't. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.440 I don't have anybody to go home and watch. This 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:02.760 is kind of a weird feeling. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.000 Yeah, it's there is a draft next year. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.640 Waltuck start out here. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.359 Yeah, that'd be you know today, Caleb Williams tonight. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.040 You know it's funny that you say that, and uh, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.040 because I was talking with Dane Brugler and I go, uh, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.600 he was for just kind of talking about his mock 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.640 draft and stuff like that, and he got, go, when 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.600 do you start back up again. He goes June first, 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.760 so he starts back up. He takes really the month 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.880 of May off, and then starts back up the whole 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.600 process all over again on June first. So but he 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.320 does that. That's that's what he does for a living. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.400 That's what you have to do. But yeah, it's a 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.240 little bit like the NFL season, and especially when you 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.480 get into the playoffs in the NFL season and then 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.520 all of a sudden it's you're playing, you lose the game, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.720 and then all of a sudden it's Green Trash back day. Yeah, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.600 you know, you're in the locker room cleaning out all 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.320 your stuff and you're kind of like going, okay, But 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.360 that's a great thing about it is like like Beamer says, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.720 they'll let you do it again next year, and so 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.560 there'll be a whole new list of players. The exciting 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.280 thing for me always is watching the NFL season and 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.799 seeing the guys that we watched and talked about have 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.520 success or not have success. And it's funny how the 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.959 fans will remind you of that. You know, oh, hey, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.400 that Eric Scott. You're right about Eric Scott. I see 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.200 what you see it, you know, And so you're like, oh, okay, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.840 that worked out, and then when if Mozzie Smith doesn't 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.040 do anything, then they remind you that Mazzie Smith did. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.160 I think it's a kind of an accountability, kind of 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:37.640 accountability thing for sure. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.480 Yeah, any of your top one hundred, Oh sure, much 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.160 because we talked about the majority of the top one hundred. Now, 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.920 of course we can't get to every prospect that's ever 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.360 been picked, but I feel pretty good about the draft class. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.040 And we hit a lot of these guys. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.960 Mazzie Smith first round, second round, Luke Schoonmaker, demarve On 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.520 Over shown in the third round, Billy Ami Fojoko Junior, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:02.080 and the fourth Awesome Richard which I just a better 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.200 name than what we were calling him initially, Awesome Richards 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.080 in the fifth round. Then Eric'scott deuced fun. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:08.680 What a moment. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.080 I still can't get over that moment. And then Jalen 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.720 Brooks in the seventh round. So there's your there's your 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.400 draft class for the Dallas Cowboys. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:17.880 What you got? 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.919 No, it's just the Eric Scott pick is so interesting, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.440 like and they also you know, obviously they went up 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.520 to get him. Yeah, and so I'm just looking at 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.599 him this whole time when we were going through the process, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:31.520 some of the guys I was looking at, I kept 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.200 putting like CJ. Goodwin replacement next to them, this guy 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.280 might be it, this guy might be the gun, this 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.960 guy might be your ace moving forward like looking at 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.120 him play. But I just he was the most interesting 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.120 pick at all of them to me, even Jalen Brooks, like, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.080 I was just like, dang, they went up to get 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:47.400 this guy. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.799 They must feel sure about what he could be fifteen. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.719 I mean they took what was a fifth compic next 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.080 year is what it's gonna end up, basically, Yeah, and 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.200 then you turn around and you go and get him 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.840 at the top of the sixth around. They had their 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.680 eyes on him from the get go, Brian, I mean 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.160 it was very early on. We heard his name of 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.160 the combine, we heard his name from thirty visits, and 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.360 then of course when they went up and got him, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.520 it was already kind of on the radar. Why does 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.880 he fit the mold for Will McLay in this team. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.760 He's six' one, he's two oh four. He could play zone, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.760 he could play you know, he plays a lot of zone. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.360 You know, he plays the field corner. When you play 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.840 the field corner. That tells me you cover ground, and 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.240 when you cover ground, that means you could play outside 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.160 where you potentially could play in the slot. He's super competitive, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.040 he likes to tackle, he's around the ball, he's a finisher. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.640 You know, that was one of those ones that I 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.480 appreciate that I got late that somebody said, oh, wait, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.880 thirty visit Dallas, need to take a look at this guy, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.800 because that seems to be where Dallas and that those 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.680 thirty visits, if it's not a player that might be 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.000 that guy that we've been talking about all year, or 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.400 was it not a combine guy or something like that. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.600 You know, that's that's where Eric Scott kind of fits in. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.800 But to me, you're talking about a super super competitive 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.880 player and where he came from to where he is 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.040 right now. He's an extremely hungry player, and I think 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.760 that's that's a that's a that's something that especially late 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.000 in the draft and the fact that they used a 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.600 next year's pick to go get him. Nobody else got 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.920 the next year pick treatment you know, I mean, Mazzie Smith, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.520 Schoonmaker over shown, none of those guys got the next 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.560 year pick. They wanted this kid. Yeah, they were fearful 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.720 that somebody And and it's funny because I know on 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.960 my board he was like two oh four, but Dane 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.200 didn't have him in his He had him in his stack, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.280 but he didn't have him in his write upsos in 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.480 the bios. And then Daniel Jeremiah didn't have him in 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.000 his one fifty. And both those guys, I think do 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.400 a hell of a job evaluating these players. But this 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.800 is this might be the one, the one where that 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.400 they they did their work and their due diligence and 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.920 figure it out that man, we can't pass on a 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:04.839 guy like this well, and. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.600 Fans kind of freaked out, like, oh he only ran 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.800 a four to seven to one with the forty, that's 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.080 not accurate. You know, he was dealing with an injury 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.160 at the time he reran it. We've heard reports on 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.200 he ran a much better forty time. And all you 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.920 got to do is turn on the tape. If you 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.760 watch him, the explosiveness that he plays with, you're absolutely right, right, 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.000 the word competitive is what stands out with this guy 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.720 because it's at all avenues at the corner spot, right, 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.800 there's so many corners that we watched in this class. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.280 You can tell the ones that want no business to 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.560 sticking their head in there and tackling a little bit, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.720 you know, throwing their body around. This guy diagnoses a 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.000 run play, he's flying in there. He will tackle, he 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.000 will thump you. But I love the way he competes 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.000 and plays the ball in the air. You know, some 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.800 guys they just don't have the feel for timing the 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.280 jump right. He's a guy that can play the ball. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.920 He's not necessarily playing the receiver all the time. He's 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.480 always making it a contested, challenged catch when the ball's 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.520 in the air. They definitely did their homework and I 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.400 think they might have found a steal here late the draft. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.480 If you talk to them, they'll tell you this is 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.320 their Doran Bland. Yep, this is That's what they'll tell you. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.520 They will say they go because afterwards, I had a 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.440 chance to visit with a couple of guys and just 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.080 to say congratulations, and they said that Eric Scott, don't 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.920 sleep on him. He goes, that's going to be our 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.880 Doran Bland. And we all saw what Deron Bland did 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.640 last year type praise because he is a savage. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.960 So important, Like it's so crazy because I don't I 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.000 try not to measure a corner by how they come 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:28.720 up and tackle. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.600 I try not to do that so frequently, just because 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:33.320 they shouldn't be. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.880 Having to do that like that anyway half the time. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.280 But I will say that in this NFL and just 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.680 kind of how things are now, you see so many 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.240 teams attacking the edges, attacking, you know, getting guys in space. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:47.800 I mean, the Cowboys have a couple of guys that 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:48.959 can do that. Now, hello, Douce. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.360 Fine, So you need corners to come up that are 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.800 that aren't afraid to come up to tackle, to kind 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.400 of set the tone and make teams be like, Okay, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.440 well maybe we shouldn't be doing that, maybe we can't 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:01.160 swing outside. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.280 You need linebackers, corners. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.199 Guys, safeties, whoever to be able to come run to 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.000 the ball and make that difference in taking that part 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.520 of the game out, because that's something that. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.160 Philly does very heavily. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.360 You can tell in this draft also too, like they're 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.400 preparing for what this division is becoming. Because I know 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.520 we're going to get into that, but this division seems 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.080 like they're catching up to the competition, you know, as 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.640 far as the Giants, the Commanders and obviously the Eagles 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:27.000 as well. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.760 Yeah, what were some of the other surprises that kind 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.480 of caught you guys off guard? Because you mentioned Eric Scott, 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.120 don't be surprised by this guy. Who were some of 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.319 the other draftable names that the Cowboys ended up with, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.800 And you could even throw undrafted free agents in there 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:42.200 as well. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.760 But did anybody kind of stand out to you and 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.480 jump off the page after that selection was made? 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.480 I think after the Scott selection was made, or just 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.319 in general, just in Joel, I think the awesome Richard's 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.439 pick is an interesting one because I feel like, in 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:02.040 me that was one of those that when the Cowboys 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.640 have this weird history of doing this and they they 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.679 look for the fourth and fifth round guy, but it's 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:14.120 usually from a Toledo or a Marshall or it's it's 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.640 usually from a school that you're kind of thinking. And 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.920 nothing against those schools, I'm not saying, but to go 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.760 out and get Ausesome Richards from North Carolina who's played 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.960 you could watch him play against Clemson and those were 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.199 you know, uh, you know, the the edge rushers that 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.080 they have and that and that conference and stuff. Florida 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.520 State's got a couple of guys that can really really rush. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.640 He holds his own and even more when and you know, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.480 I we had Will McClay on our show yesterday, as 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.800 you know, Zach and and Will was I was, I 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.360 really like to pick. I think this kid is like 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.360 a legitimate right tackle. But there's people, you know, aish 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.439 I think you were talking about the heavy hands and 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.440 you know, you know, you know, strong hands and things 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.040 like that with this guy, but that's that he he 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.280 was a pick to me that because they usually picked 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.040 the guy from that school that you feel like there 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.719 needs to be a lot of development there. You know, 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.640 this kid's got a lot of traits, a lot of 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.800 the tools, and he's and he's got the and he's 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.559 played in some big games and I'm totally on board 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.719 with for him to be picked at you know, in 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.760 the fifth round there at one sixty nine. I kind 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:26.960 of feel like they stole a legitimate tackle in this draft. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.160 You know, we were excited about, well let's go last year. 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.920 I kind of think Richard's is a better problem. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:32.800 I think even better. 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.800 Yeah, so I think athletic and I know they talk 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.760 about that tackle guard flexibility. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.320 I'm kind of with you, Brian, I like him as 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.000 a tackle, he's such a gol free. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:42.760 To come with me full. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.719 You don't have the kind of so I do the 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.160 lower body like the top half. I'm like, this is 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.640 a tackle all the way. The lower half you can 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.800 kind of see, all right, he's got the power bottom 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.080 to maybe kick inside. But I do think the athleticism 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.920 you're absolutely right in terms of I would kind of 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.880 like to see him maybe end up being your backup 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:02.480 swing tackle. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.280 I think he's got that ability to win that job. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.199 How would you describe what you see from him? 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.960 Because I I don't feel like he plays I mean 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.079 Will McClay mentioned like putting. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.480 Playing with a little bit more power. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.400 He doesn't beat you with the like the initial punch. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.120 He just knows how to get in front of you 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:20.640 and you can't get past him. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:21.400 Does that make sense? 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:21.640 Such? 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.839 Is that how you envision him? I don't even know 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.200 if I think that his anchor is. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.199 Super duper strong sure or or he knows because I 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:29.840 feel like Tyler, maybe why. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.600 They won't put him inside. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.120 Tracking tracking, because that's my thing about him playing guard? 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.559 Is I worry about the anchor just I just want 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.679 him to he does. He does use this anchor but 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.200 it's not like a Tyler where it was like once 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:48.920 he dropped, it was no moving. Most of the time 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.400 with people with him with awesome, he just gets in 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.800 front of people and there's it's difficult for guys to 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:55.520 get past them. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.480 So yeah, is it the feat it's it. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.640 No, it clearly is the feet. And yeah, it's the 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.400 feet because you know, to me, I mean, he is 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.199 not the heaviest guy at three to nine, but he's 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.480 so I mean, it's almost like that. It's when he 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.760 gets in trouble, he's got the footwork to rally back 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.800 his adjustment exactly, the adjustment in space. And you know, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.640 I mean I when they made that pick and I 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.600 just I started reading the notes and stuff. I'm like, damn, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.960 they figure this out out. And like I said, how 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.959 many times have we seen them take a shot on 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.719 a fourth or fifth round tackle and it seems like 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.199 such a project. You know, Well let's go and guys 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.400 like that. I mean, it's he came along. Well Ball 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.360 was you know, Ball. I think Ball is Ball. I'm not. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.880 I mean, I think he never could get really strong enough. See, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.640 there were things about Ball's game that I was like, hmm, 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.079 this guy when you're talking about Austin Richards. I didn't 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.800 feel like there was that, you know, I felt like 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.920 there was more m you know, more. Yeah, the more 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.920 upside to how he is as a player. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.720 He has a basketball background, so you talk about footwork, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.400 the agility, the the athleticism and being able to move. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:10.920 He can certainly move. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.400 I think the upside comes from where you can add 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.400 on to that frame because he has the long arms. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.680 He's got eighty two inch arms, almost eighty three inch arms. Yeah, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.800 and he's got he's got everything from a frame standpoint 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.440 that you would want in a tackle, and that athleticism 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.360 put on a little bit more than three ten. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.280 Let's let's get him up there a little bit if 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.880 he can get. But see, that's the hard thing about it. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.240 The uh you know when you deal with that, Kyle 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.880 is the is those guys that are long limbed the 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:42.000 weight room strength struggles because it's hard to drive a bar. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.160 You know, you don't get the bulk because your muscles 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.160 are so long that all of a sudden you're driving 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.680 the bar and you don't you look you could be strong, 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.680 but you don't look strong because of the of how 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.320 long your limbs are. So interesting guys, Guys that are 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.480 a little bit like like we'll watch Deuce Vaughan order guy, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.240 dude's final will look rocked up. You know he's out there. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.560 I'm sure he'll be running around in camp. And was like, oh, man, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:06.960 five five, he looks great. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:07.840 You can strike matches. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.160 Yeah, you can strike matches on him, that kind of thing, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.480 because he's more of a compact type of a guy. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.040 Yeah, with awesome, Like his core is exactly the core 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.000 strength is what. That's how he's winning when you watch him. So, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.160 I mean, I don't know with with the pick one. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.080 Thing I also noticed too with this draft class is 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.080 it feels like a lot of the guys have played 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.960 a considerable a good amount of football. And maybe it's 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.880 like two guys that haven't played as many, but you're 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.520 looking at most of this draft classes like three four 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.320 year starters, and that it seems like that matters to them. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.280 You said, upside is that is that? Is that a 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:46.800 theme here? Like I was thinking of. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.240 I was kind of trying to digest this, you know, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.200 this drafting class right, trying to understand it. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.360 And I said to myself, I was like, man, like. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.400 Some of these players, just like last year, are raw, 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.680 very coachable, and they have a lot of upsift and 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.880 so I think not all coaching staffs are made the same. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.000 And I feel like this coaching staff feels like they 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.600 can they can get guys that maybe other teams, other 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.960 teams might want the finished product of a player right now, 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.520 and this coaching staff is like, no, let me get 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.440 him in here will to real quick and see and 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.640 see how he does, see how he can develop upside wise, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:21.200 is that a thing? 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.400 But I feel like it's more on the defensive side 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.640 of the ball. I know that on the defensive side 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.440 of the trust that well, okay, we had the pleasure 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.560 of talking to Mike Solari and getting to know him 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.120 a little bit. You know, they've switched. I mean, there 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.040 are a lot of moving parts on the offensive staff. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.920 And if you if you tell me, if you tell 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.520 me that junior Forjoko is going to go from defensive 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:48.120 end to play three technique, count me in. They see 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.560 something over shown, Hey, we're gonna play him kind of 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.880 as that. We're gonna play him as that linebacker safety guy, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.120 you know, and let him run to the football, playhim 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.560 is a will linebacker, let him chase the ball, Let 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.640 him do the maybe put him down in pass rush. Okay, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.960 you know I can see that, ad dan Quinn sign 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.680 sign me up. See. I think that's where we have 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.080 to figure out about the offensive side of the ball. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.320 I think that's where the questions are. You know, we 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.439 saw and say what you want. I was very critical 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.919 of Joe Philbot, very critical of Joe Philbert. He did 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.840 get Tyler Smith to play well, and he surely got 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:25.240 Terrence Steele to play well. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:25.199 And. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.119 No doubt, and Bobby Belt isn't here today, but I 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.360 just keep hearing his voice in my head when you're 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.399 talking about that. He said, that's how teams can get 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.080 in trouble, though, is by having their coaches say we 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.200 can fix a guy. Yeah, we can fix a guy. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.320 He said that many many times on this show, and 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.800 it's true. But with the defensive side of the ball, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.600 there's a trust there. They've built up enough trucks to say, 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.679 dan Quinn, we believe you whenever overshown can fit there, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.400 And for hope, I'll never fit there. I'll never forget 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.440 sitting in a draft room and a coach told me 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.440 that Carrie Collins, who used to play, you know, quarterback 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.560 long time quarterback in the NFL Giants for a number 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.200 of years Caroline and all that Caroline drafted had a 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.040 coach say yeah, I could fix his hitch in the 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.080 hitch in his throwing motion. I'm like, huh okay. Carrie 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.160 Collins played like eighteen years and nobody ever fixed his hitch. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.959 You know. Sometimes you say that like, yeah, we can, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.920 we can, we could do that, And in actuality, that's 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.400 how these players function. That's how they that's why they're 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.800 in the league because they work around maybe being five 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.840 to five sure, you know, and they're they're deficiencies, they 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:36.560