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Speaker 1: Your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: Today is Wednesday, May third, and we are officially a
Speaker 3: week after the twenty twenty three NFL Draft in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Welcome into the Draft Show as we wrap things up
Speaker 3: in Tyabo on the draft class in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: We have got Brian Prades, Sach Walchuck Ayisha Morrison. I'm
Speaker 3: Kyle Yeomans, Chris Beam in the back. Everybody, have you
Speaker 3: recovered yet from draft weekend? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes you have? Yes, that's good.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: When did it hit that you recovered, like like ten
Speaker 2: minutes ago?
Speaker 5: Yesterday?
Speaker 2: Yesterday?
Speaker 5: It was the first yesterday for me when I was
Speaker 5: like freedom. I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like when I when I looked and I started
Speaker 4: prepping for today and I had to look at like
Speaker 4: eight players just to review them and stuff and then
Speaker 4: start touching on the undrafted free agents and it wasn't
Speaker 4: like twenty players.
Speaker 5: It hit me that it was over, y'all, Like y'all know.
Speaker 5: This is my first one.
Speaker 4: So this is you know, just getting the hang of
Speaker 4: the feel of draft. And once it starts, there's no
Speaker 4: stopping no, so you know, you know how much more
Speaker 4: we have to be locked into this because we're providing information.
Speaker 4: It is a change of pace mentally to kind of
Speaker 4: come down.
Speaker 5: So I am yesterday was I.
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, this isn't okay, I don't It's not
Speaker 4: that bad.
Speaker 6: It's a little I was a little sad, you know
Speaker 6: now that it just comes crashing down, It's like all
Speaker 6: of a sudden boom, it's over. We're grinding, we're watching
Speaker 6: three to five players a night, and then all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, Monday rolls around.
Speaker 2: Brian, I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't have anybody to go home and watch. This
Speaker 7: is kind of a weird feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there is a draft next year.
Speaker 8: Waltuck start out here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that'd be you know today, Caleb Williams tonight.
Speaker 8: You know it's funny that you say that, and uh,
Speaker 8: because I was talking with Dane Brugler and I go, uh,
Speaker 8: he was for just kind of talking about his mock
Speaker 8: draft and stuff like that, and he got, go, when
Speaker 8: do you start back up again. He goes June first,
Speaker 8: so he starts back up. He takes really the month
Speaker 8: of May off, and then starts back up the whole
Speaker 8: process all over again on June first. So but he
Speaker 8: does that. That's that's what he does for a living.
Speaker 8: That's what you have to do. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 8: little bit like the NFL season, and especially when you
Speaker 8: get into the playoffs in the NFL season and then
Speaker 8: all of a sudden it's you're playing, you lose the game,
Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden it's Green Trash back day. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, you're in the locker room cleaning out all
Speaker 8: your stuff and you're kind of like going, okay, But
Speaker 8: that's a great thing about it is like like Beamer says,
Speaker 8: they'll let you do it again next year, and so
Speaker 8: there'll be a whole new list of players. The exciting
Speaker 8: thing for me always is watching the NFL season and
Speaker 8: seeing the guys that we watched and talked about have
Speaker 8: success or not have success. And it's funny how the
Speaker 8: fans will remind you of that. You know, oh, hey,
Speaker 8: that Eric Scott. You're right about Eric Scott. I see
Speaker 8: what you see it, you know, And so you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 8: that worked out, and then when if Mozzie Smith doesn't
Speaker 8: do anything, then they remind you that Mazzie Smith did.
Speaker 8: I think it's a kind of an accountability, kind of
Speaker 8: accountability thing for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any of your top one hundred, Oh sure, much
Speaker 3: because we talked about the majority of the top one hundred. Now,
Speaker 3: of course we can't get to every prospect that's ever
Speaker 3: been picked, but I feel pretty good about the draft class.
Speaker 2: And we hit a lot of these guys.
Speaker 3: Mazzie Smith first round, second round, Luke Schoonmaker, demarve On
Speaker 3: Over shown in the third round, Billy Ami Fojoko Junior,
Speaker 3: and the fourth Awesome Richard which I just a better
Speaker 3: name than what we were calling him initially, Awesome Richards
Speaker 3: in the fifth round. Then Eric'scott deuced fun.
Speaker 8: What a moment.
Speaker 3: I still can't get over that moment. And then Jalen
Speaker 3: Brooks in the seventh round. So there's your there's your
Speaker 3: draft class for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8: What you got?
Speaker 4: No, it's just the Eric Scott pick is so interesting,
Speaker 4: like and they also you know, obviously they went up
Speaker 4: to get him. Yeah, and so I'm just looking at
Speaker 4: him this whole time when we were going through the process,
Speaker 4: some of the guys I was looking at, I kept
Speaker 4: putting like CJ. Goodwin replacement next to them, this guy
Speaker 4: might be it, this guy might be the gun, this
Speaker 4: guy might be your ace moving forward like looking at
Speaker 4: him play. But I just he was the most interesting
Speaker 4: pick at all of them to me, even Jalen Brooks, like,
Speaker 4: I was just like, dang, they went up to get
Speaker 4: this guy.
Speaker 5: They must feel sure about what he could be fifteen.
Speaker 3: I mean they took what was a fifth compic next
Speaker 3: year is what it's gonna end up, basically, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then you turn around and you go and get him
Speaker 3: at the top of the sixth around. They had their
Speaker 3: eyes on him from the get go, Brian, I mean
Speaker 3: it was very early on. We heard his name of
Speaker 3: the combine, we heard his name from thirty visits, and
Speaker 3: then of course when they went up and got him,
Speaker 3: it was already kind of on the radar. Why does
Speaker 3: he fit the mold for Will McLay in this team.
Speaker 8: He's six' one, he's two oh four. He could play zone,
Speaker 8: he could play you know, he plays a lot of zone.
Speaker 8: You know, he plays the field corner. When you play
Speaker 8: the field corner. That tells me you cover ground, and
Speaker 8: when you cover ground, that means you could play outside
Speaker 8: where you potentially could play in the slot. He's super competitive,
Speaker 8: he likes to tackle, he's around the ball, he's a finisher.
Speaker 8: You know, that was one of those ones that I
Speaker 8: appreciate that I got late that somebody said, oh, wait,
Speaker 8: thirty visit Dallas, need to take a look at this guy,
Speaker 8: because that seems to be where Dallas and that those
Speaker 8: thirty visits, if it's not a player that might be
Speaker 8: that guy that we've been talking about all year, or
Speaker 8: was it not a combine guy or something like that.
Speaker 8: You know, that's that's where Eric Scott kind of fits in.
Speaker 8: But to me, you're talking about a super super competitive
Speaker 8: player and where he came from to where he is
Speaker 8: right now. He's an extremely hungry player, and I think
Speaker 8: that's that's a that's a that's something that especially late
Speaker 8: in the draft and the fact that they used a
Speaker 8: next year's pick to go get him. Nobody else got
Speaker 8: the next year pick treatment you know, I mean, Mazzie Smith,
Speaker 8: Schoonmaker over shown, none of those guys got the next
Speaker 8: year pick. They wanted this kid. Yeah, they were fearful
Speaker 8: that somebody And and it's funny because I know on
Speaker 8: my board he was like two oh four, but Dane
Speaker 8: didn't have him in his He had him in his stack,
Speaker 8: but he didn't have him in his write upsos in
Speaker 8: the bios. And then Daniel Jeremiah didn't have him in
Speaker 8: his one fifty. And both those guys, I think do
Speaker 8: a hell of a job evaluating these players. But this
Speaker 8: is this might be the one, the one where that
Speaker 8: they they did their work and their due diligence and
Speaker 8: figure it out that man, we can't pass on a
Speaker 8: guy like this well, and.
Speaker 6: Fans kind of freaked out, like, oh he only ran
Speaker 6: a four to seven to one with the forty, that's
Speaker 6: not accurate. You know, he was dealing with an injury
Speaker 6: at the time he reran it. We've heard reports on
Speaker 6: he ran a much better forty time. And all you
Speaker 6: got to do is turn on the tape. If you
Speaker 6: watch him, the explosiveness that he plays with, you're absolutely right, right,
Speaker 6: the word competitive is what stands out with this guy
Speaker 6: because it's at all avenues at the corner spot, right,
Speaker 6: there's so many corners that we watched in this class.
Speaker 6: You can tell the ones that want no business to
Speaker 6: sticking their head in there and tackling a little bit,
Speaker 6: you know, throwing their body around. This guy diagnoses a
Speaker 6: run play, he's flying in there. He will tackle, he
Speaker 6: will thump you. But I love the way he competes
Speaker 6: and plays the ball in the air. You know, some
Speaker 6: guys they just don't have the feel for timing the
Speaker 6: jump right. He's a guy that can play the ball.
Speaker 6: He's not necessarily playing the receiver all the time. He's
Speaker 6: always making it a contested, challenged catch when the ball's
Speaker 6: in the air. They definitely did their homework and I
Speaker 6: think they might have found a steal here late the draft.
Speaker 8: If you talk to them, they'll tell you this is
Speaker 8: their Doran Bland. Yep, this is That's what they'll tell you.
Speaker 8: They will say they go because afterwards, I had a
Speaker 8: chance to visit with a couple of guys and just
Speaker 8: to say congratulations, and they said that Eric Scott, don't
Speaker 8: sleep on him. He goes, that's going to be our
Speaker 8: Doran Bland. And we all saw what Deron Bland did
Speaker 8: last year type praise because he is a savage.
Speaker 4: So important, Like it's so crazy because I don't I
Speaker 4: try not to measure a corner by how they come
Speaker 4: up and tackle.
Speaker 5: I try not to do that so frequently, just because
Speaker 5: they shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: Having to do that like that anyway half the time.
Speaker 4: But I will say that in this NFL and just
Speaker 4: kind of how things are now, you see so many
Speaker 4: teams attacking the edges, attacking, you know, getting guys in space.
Speaker 5: I mean, the Cowboys have a couple of guys that
Speaker 5: can do that. Now, hello, Douce.
Speaker 4: Fine, So you need corners to come up that are
Speaker 4: that aren't afraid to come up to tackle, to kind
Speaker 4: of set the tone and make teams be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well maybe we shouldn't be doing that, maybe we can't
Speaker 4: swing outside.
Speaker 5: You need linebackers, corners.
Speaker 4: Guys, safeties, whoever to be able to come run to
Speaker 4: the ball and make that difference in taking that part
Speaker 4: of the game out, because that's something that.
Speaker 5: Philly does very heavily.
Speaker 4: You can tell in this draft also too, like they're
Speaker 4: preparing for what this division is becoming. Because I know
Speaker 4: we're going to get into that, but this division seems
Speaker 4: like they're catching up to the competition, you know, as
Speaker 4: far as the Giants, the Commanders and obviously the Eagles
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what were some of the other surprises that kind
Speaker 3: of caught you guys off guard? Because you mentioned Eric Scott,
Speaker 3: don't be surprised by this guy. Who were some of
Speaker 3: the other draftable names that the Cowboys ended up with,
Speaker 3: And you could even throw undrafted free agents in there
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: But did anybody kind of stand out to you and
Speaker 2: jump off the page after that selection was made?
Speaker 8: I think after the Scott selection was made, or just
Speaker 8: in general, just in Joel, I think the awesome Richard's
Speaker 8: pick is an interesting one because I feel like, in
Speaker 8: me that was one of those that when the Cowboys
Speaker 8: have this weird history of doing this and they they
Speaker 8: look for the fourth and fifth round guy, but it's
Speaker 8: usually from a Toledo or a Marshall or it's it's
Speaker 8: usually from a school that you're kind of thinking. And
Speaker 8: nothing against those schools, I'm not saying, but to go
Speaker 8: out and get Ausesome Richards from North Carolina who's played
Speaker 8: you could watch him play against Clemson and those were
Speaker 8: you know, uh, you know, the the edge rushers that
Speaker 8: they have and that and that conference and stuff. Florida
Speaker 8: State's got a couple of guys that can really really rush.
Speaker 8: He holds his own and even more when and you know,
Speaker 8: I we had Will McClay on our show yesterday, as
Speaker 8: you know, Zach and and Will was I was, I
Speaker 8: really like to pick. I think this kid is like
Speaker 8: a legitimate right tackle. But there's people, you know, aish
Speaker 8: I think you were talking about the heavy hands and
Speaker 8: you know, you know, you know, strong hands and things
Speaker 8: like that with this guy, but that's that he he
Speaker 8: was a pick to me that because they usually picked
Speaker 8: the guy from that school that you feel like there
Speaker 8: needs to be a lot of development there. You know,
Speaker 8: this kid's got a lot of traits, a lot of
Speaker 8: the tools, and he's and he's got the and he's
Speaker 8: played in some big games and I'm totally on board
Speaker 8: with for him to be picked at you know, in
Speaker 8: the fifth round there at one sixty nine. I kind
Speaker 8: of feel like they stole a legitimate tackle in this draft.
Speaker 6: You know, we were excited about, well let's go last year.
Speaker 6: I kind of think Richard's is a better problem.
Speaker 8: I think even better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think athletic and I know they talk
Speaker 6: about that tackle guard flexibility.
Speaker 7: I'm kind of with you, Brian, I like him as
Speaker 7: a tackle, he's such a gol free.
Speaker 8: To come with me full.
Speaker 6: You don't have the kind of so I do the
Speaker 6: lower body like the top half. I'm like, this is
Speaker 6: a tackle all the way. The lower half you can
Speaker 6: kind of see, all right, he's got the power bottom
Speaker 6: to maybe kick inside. But I do think the athleticism
Speaker 6: you're absolutely right in terms of I would kind of
Speaker 6: like to see him maybe end up being your backup
Speaker 6: swing tackle.
Speaker 7: I think he's got that ability to win that job.
Speaker 5: How would you describe what you see from him?
Speaker 4: Because I I don't feel like he plays I mean
Speaker 4: Will McClay mentioned like putting.
Speaker 5: Playing with a little bit more power.
Speaker 4: He doesn't beat you with the like the initial punch.
Speaker 4: He just knows how to get in front of you
Speaker 4: and you can't get past him.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
Speaker 8: Such?
Speaker 5: Is that how you envision him? I don't even know
Speaker 5: if I think that his anchor is.
Speaker 4: Super duper strong sure or or he knows because I
Speaker 4: feel like Tyler, maybe why.
Speaker 8: They won't put him inside.
Speaker 4: Tracking tracking, because that's my thing about him playing guard?
Speaker 4: Is I worry about the anchor just I just want
Speaker 4: him to he does. He does use this anchor but
Speaker 4: it's not like a Tyler where it was like once
Speaker 4: he dropped, it was no moving. Most of the time
Speaker 4: with people with him with awesome, he just gets in
Speaker 4: front of people and there's it's difficult for guys to
Speaker 4: get past them.
Speaker 5: So yeah, is it the feat it's it.
Speaker 8: No, it clearly is the feet. And yeah, it's the
Speaker 8: feet because you know, to me, I mean, he is
Speaker 8: not the heaviest guy at three to nine, but he's
Speaker 8: so I mean, it's almost like that. It's when he
Speaker 8: gets in trouble, he's got the footwork to rally back
Speaker 8: his adjustment exactly, the adjustment in space. And you know,
Speaker 8: I mean I when they made that pick and I
Speaker 8: just I started reading the notes and stuff. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 8: they figure this out out. And like I said, how
Speaker 8: many times have we seen them take a shot on
Speaker 8: a fourth or fifth round tackle and it seems like
Speaker 8: such a project. You know, Well let's go and guys
Speaker 8: like that. I mean, it's he came along. Well Ball
Speaker 8: was you know, Ball. I think Ball is Ball. I'm not.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think he never could get really strong enough. See,
Speaker 8: there were things about Ball's game that I was like, hmm,
Speaker 8: this guy when you're talking about Austin Richards. I didn't
Speaker 8: feel like there was that, you know, I felt like
Speaker 8: there was more m you know, more. Yeah, the more
Speaker 8: upside to how he is as a player.
Speaker 3: He has a basketball background, so you talk about footwork,
Speaker 3: the agility, the the athleticism and being able to move.
Speaker 2: He can certainly move.
Speaker 3: I think the upside comes from where you can add
Speaker 3: on to that frame because he has the long arms.
Speaker 3: He's got eighty two inch arms, almost eighty three inch arms. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's got he's got everything from a frame standpoint
Speaker 3: that you would want in a tackle, and that athleticism
Speaker 3: put on a little bit more than three ten.
Speaker 8: Let's let's get him up there a little bit if
Speaker 8: he can get. But see, that's the hard thing about it.
Speaker 8: The uh you know when you deal with that, Kyle
Speaker 8: is the is those guys that are long limbed the
Speaker 8: weight room strength struggles because it's hard to drive a bar.
Speaker 8: You know, you don't get the bulk because your muscles
Speaker 8: are so long that all of a sudden you're driving
Speaker 8: the bar and you don't you look you could be strong,
Speaker 8: but you don't look strong because of the of how
Speaker 8: long your limbs are. So interesting guys, Guys that are
Speaker 8: a little bit like like we'll watch Deuce Vaughan order guy,
Speaker 8: dude's final will look rocked up. You know he's out there.
Speaker 8: I'm sure he'll be running around in camp. And was like, oh, man,
Speaker 8: five five, he looks great.
Speaker 7: You can strike matches.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can strike matches on him, that kind of thing,
Speaker 8: because he's more of a compact type of a guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with awesome, Like his core is exactly the core
Speaker 4: strength is what. That's how he's winning when you watch him. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know with with the pick one.
Speaker 4: Thing I also noticed too with this draft class is
Speaker 4: it feels like a lot of the guys have played
Speaker 4: a considerable a good amount of football. And maybe it's
Speaker 4: like two guys that haven't played as many, but you're
Speaker 4: looking at most of this draft classes like three four
Speaker 4: year starters, and that it seems like that matters to them.
Speaker 5: You said, upside is that is that? Is that a
Speaker 5: theme here? Like I was thinking of.
Speaker 4: I was kind of trying to digest this, you know,
Speaker 4: this drafting class right, trying to understand it.
Speaker 5: And I said to myself, I was like, man, like.
Speaker 4: Some of these players, just like last year, are raw,
Speaker 4: very coachable, and they have a lot of upsift and
Speaker 4: so I think not all coaching staffs are made the same.
Speaker 4: And I feel like this coaching staff feels like they
Speaker 4: can they can get guys that maybe other teams, other
Speaker 4: teams might want the finished product of a player right now,
Speaker 4: and this coaching staff is like, no, let me get
Speaker 4: him in here will to real quick and see and
Speaker 4: see how he does, see how he can develop upside wise,
Speaker 4: is that a thing?
Speaker 8: But I feel like it's more on the defensive side
Speaker 8: of the ball. I know that on the defensive side
Speaker 8: of the trust that well, okay, we had the pleasure
Speaker 8: of talking to Mike Solari and getting to know him
Speaker 8: a little bit. You know, they've switched. I mean, there
Speaker 8: are a lot of moving parts on the offensive staff.
Speaker 8: And if you if you tell me, if you tell
Speaker 8: me that junior Forjoko is going to go from defensive
Speaker 8: end to play three technique, count me in. They see
Speaker 8: something over shown, Hey, we're gonna play him kind of
Speaker 8: as that. We're gonna play him as that linebacker safety guy,
Speaker 8: you know, and let him run to the football, playhim
Speaker 8: is a will linebacker, let him chase the ball, Let
Speaker 8: him do the maybe put him down in pass rush. Okay,
Speaker 8: you know I can see that, ad dan Quinn sign
Speaker 8: sign me up. See. I think that's where we have
Speaker 8: to figure out about the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 8: I think that's where the questions are. You know, we
Speaker 8: saw and say what you want. I was very critical
Speaker 8: of Joe Philbot, very critical of Joe Philbert. He did
Speaker 8: get Tyler Smith to play well, and he surely got
Speaker 8: Terrence Steele to play well.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 3: No doubt, and Bobby Belt isn't here today, but I
Speaker 3: just keep hearing his voice in my head when you're
Speaker 3: talking about that. He said, that's how teams can get
Speaker 3: in trouble, though, is by having their coaches say we
Speaker 3: can fix a guy. Yeah, we can fix a guy.
Speaker 3: He said that many many times on this show, and
Speaker 3: it's true. But with the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 3: there's a trust there. They've built up enough trucks to say,
Speaker 3: dan Quinn, we believe you whenever overshown can fit there,
Speaker 3: And for hope, I'll never fit there. I'll never forget
Speaker 3: sitting in a draft room and a coach told me
Speaker 3: that Carrie Collins, who used to play, you know, quarterback
Speaker 3: long time quarterback in the NFL Giants for a number
Speaker 3: of years Caroline and all that Caroline drafted had a
Speaker 3: coach say yeah, I could fix his hitch in the
Speaker 3: hitch in his throwing motion. I'm like, huh okay. Carrie
Speaker 3: Collins played like eighteen years and nobody ever fixed his hitch.
Speaker 8: You know. Sometimes you say that like, yeah, we can,
Speaker 8: we can, we could do that, And in actuality, that's
Speaker 8: how these players function. That's how they that's why they're
Speaker 8: in the league because they work around maybe being five
Speaker 8: to five sure, you know, and they're they're deficiencies, they
Speaker 8: do something else to mask or overcome any other deficiencies
Speaker 8: they might have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think overall there's a couple guys like that
Speaker 3: that aren't perfect. And it goes back to the wards
Speaker 3: that Jerry Jones was talking about. They aren't perfect, but
Speaker 3: they can fit in a certain realm. And when we
Speaker 3: come back on the Draft show, I want to put
Speaker 3: the puzzle pieces together. Where did these guys fit Foco
Speaker 3: overshown Mazzie Smith. Can he even move and play a
Speaker 3: little three technique and have some pass rush ability? What
Speaker 3: could these guys potentially see in these specific players in
Speaker 3: the draft class to move them up and push them
Speaker 3: to the next level when we come back here on
Speaker 3: the Draft Show.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Draft Show as we wrap up
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three draft class with Brian brought us,
Speaker 3: Ach Walchuck Aysham Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans Chris Beam in
Speaker 3: the back and we will have an opportunity to do
Speaker 3: Twitter on the twenty. I forgot to send out the
Speaker 3: tweet because I forgot to do that this morning, So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send that out right now. So we're gonna
Speaker 3: get the Twitter questions on the back half. But right now,
Speaker 3: I've got some superlatives I have. I want you to
Speaker 3: get me one answer. Some are about the Dallas draft class.
Speaker 3: Some are about the NFC East Draft class. But I'll
Speaker 3: start with the Dallas draft class. Brian best value for
Speaker 3: over the weekend, best value pick between the eight different
Speaker 3: players that they added.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think to me it was Duce fawn Is
Speaker 8: where it was because of where he was selected. I
Speaker 8: felt like though that Dallas got him at two twelve.
Speaker 8: I felt like he was a much better player than that,
Speaker 8: you know, to me, he was kind of in that
Speaker 8: group of running backs that I was. I was just
Speaker 8: greating the player for who he was. I didn't look
Speaker 8: at the five to five part of it. I said,
Speaker 8: give me the guy that's the most explosive, Give me
Speaker 8: the guy that doesn't fumble the ball. Give me the
Speaker 8: guy that catches the ball. Well, give me the guy
Speaker 8: that makes other people miss Give me the guy that
Speaker 8: defensive coordinators are like sleep not sleeping at night. I
Speaker 8: think duce Vaughn was an excellent pick for the Cowboys
Speaker 8: in that regard. When you talk about the value of
Speaker 8: where he was taken to where I'm sure a lot
Speaker 8: of people.
Speaker 2: Had on their boards, where'd you have them.
Speaker 8: I had him at he went at two twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean that that to me. I think
Speaker 8: they went a little early. I know you just said
Speaker 8: one guy. I think they went a little They went
Speaker 8: a little early on Schoonmaker. But we've talked about this.
Speaker 8: You had to go a little early on some of
Speaker 8: these guys. It wasn't coming back around to you. You know,
Speaker 8: if you think that Schoonmaker was going to be there
Speaker 8: in the third round, I don't think that was going
Speaker 8: to happen at all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you, because I had Schoonmaker and over
Speaker 6: shown both probably around later than when the Cowboys got them.
Speaker 6: But to your point, when you're picking at the back
Speaker 6: half of the round, you've got to go ahead and
Speaker 6: just pull the trigger on that one. But to me,
Speaker 6: duce Vaughn was a guy that I had going in
Speaker 6: the fifth You end up getting him in the sixth
Speaker 6: pick thirty five in the sixth round. To me, it
Speaker 6: was exceptional value. And we were talking about it during
Speaker 6: the draft. We're going through all the running backs that
Speaker 6: are still available. This guy's red flag for character issues,
Speaker 6: this guy's red flag from medicals. It was clear that
Speaker 6: duce Vaughn was the best available back there. And when
Speaker 6: you talk about what he's able to provide not only
Speaker 6: just as a weapon as a running back out of
Speaker 6: the backfield, but as a receiver special teams in the
Speaker 6: return game, this is a guy that can come in
Speaker 6: and help you immediately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a fourth round grade on Ducebine m
Speaker 4: hm because I just I feel like what he can do,
Speaker 4: especially as a receiver, Like I was watching him just
Speaker 4: run jerk routes yesterday and I was like, this man
Speaker 4: is disrespectful, Like.
Speaker 5: The route running is their division is so clean.
Speaker 4: So I agree with you on that being the best
Speaker 4: value of I will say that Vlami is itko. I
Speaker 4: had a third round grade on him, Wow, just because
Speaker 4: I felt like the like the motor is so nasty
Speaker 4: and insane.
Speaker 5: The effort from the player is something that you.
Speaker 4: Don't see I don't think you see normally, especially from
Speaker 4: a DT, especially from a DT, just to have that
Speaker 4: constant motor to go. But what the things that he
Speaker 4: did at end also to I know, we're cool with
Speaker 4: him being a three tech.
Speaker 5: But babe, it's not too bad some of the stuff
Speaker 5: he was doing at end.
Speaker 7: He was probably my favorite pick.
Speaker 8: See there was people, yeah outside of this, Yeah, wow,
Speaker 8: that's cool to hear. There was people that kind of
Speaker 8: were trying to get me to jump on the Is
Speaker 8: this tyrone Crawford? Is this tyrone Crawford the guy that
Speaker 8: could play edge and the guy that could play three.
Speaker 8: I think Fojoko is a I think he has better movement.
Speaker 8: I think he's not as stiff.
Speaker 7: I can see that.
Speaker 8: I think that, Yeah, flexibility Crawford is. I think Crawford man,
Speaker 8: he's super, super tough, there's no question, but stronger, much stronger.
Speaker 8: But the thing with Fojoko to me is the bend
Speaker 8: and the flexibility and the ability to attack the gap
Speaker 8: and goes and kind of chase the play down. I
Speaker 8: think that's where I think that's where he's completely different
Speaker 8: than what you got from from what you got from
Speaker 8: Tyrone Crawford.
Speaker 2: What did you think when you went and looked at him,
Speaker 2: because I mean we were excited.
Speaker 8: No, no, she was right about him. And I know,
Speaker 8: I know Zach had you know, you guys picked me
Speaker 8: up on that, and I appreciate you doing that when
Speaker 8: you know she's right about the fact that you know,
Speaker 8: with the motor, the effort, the strength that he plays,
Speaker 8: he's not a throwaway in He's not a throwaway. And
Speaker 8: I know they're talking about, you know, Shreek Floyd was
Speaker 8: talking about nice for him to come in and kind
Speaker 8: of open some things up, open our eyes to some things.
Speaker 8: But the fact that this kid could play some three,
Speaker 8: I totally understand what they're doing there. He's got that
Speaker 8: kind of ability.
Speaker 5: And it's the hands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of my favorite things about Keanu
Speaker 4: Bitten was how violent his hands were coming off the ball,
Speaker 4: and Junior be.
Speaker 5: Like, in my mind, I'd be like, get off me,
Speaker 5: get off me. In my mind when I see his
Speaker 5: hands because it looks like I got that chop working. Yes,
Speaker 5: because yes, absolutely, there's a lot to work with with
Speaker 5: how he counters and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think the player has so much upside and cowboys
Speaker 4: clearly are like we're tired of getting ran on.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, they're tired well, and he can help with that.
Speaker 6: But it's the motor, the relentless pursuit. Like for me,
Speaker 6: that's what makes him stand out. There's certain things you
Speaker 6: can't really teach in the want to with junior Fojoko
Speaker 6: is second. I mean it might be he might have
Speaker 6: had one of the highest motors of any end period
Speaker 6: in the entire draft. I mean he is just he's
Speaker 6: getting knocked around and the next thing you know, he's
Speaker 6: trailing the playback side, he's chasing it down.
Speaker 7: He's just a fun study to watch him play. He's relentless.
Speaker 3: That's the one word I had on here was relentless. Now,
Speaker 3: my favorite value pick was was awesome Richards. I had
Speaker 3: him at one O six on my board going into
Speaker 3: the draft. He was my first fourth round grade. So
Speaker 3: the fact you got him at one sixty nine steel
Speaker 3: in the fifth round, I love it. And the upsides there,
Speaker 3: like we talked about in the last segment, all right,
Speaker 3: most likely to switch positions Zach wohlschuff out of this
Speaker 3: draft class.
Speaker 2: Because I mean we just talked about Fujoko.
Speaker 7: He could flip, but there.
Speaker 2: Was a number of guys in this class that could
Speaker 2: flip positions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think Overshown is not going to play linebacker.
Speaker 6: But he's the one that stands out to me as
Speaker 6: a guy that's just got the most positioned flex of
Speaker 6: the entire draft. He's played safety, linebacker, will linebackers. Will
Speaker 6: McLay told us yesterday I asked him the vision for
Speaker 6: Overshown and he said, will linebacker running Chase. But you
Speaker 6: know the fact that we had heard some about him
Speaker 6: on the edge, which you can see. I mean, he
Speaker 6: has a knack for timing blitzes and going in and
Speaker 6: get the quarterback when you watch him at Texas. And
Speaker 6: then he told us that in our call with him, yep,
Speaker 6: And he said that's something he talked to dan Quinn about.
Speaker 6: That's something they're excited about. I think Overshow's a guy
Speaker 6: that they can move around a lot as a chess
Speaker 6: piece for dan Quinn. He's to me kind of the
Speaker 6: leader when it comes to maybe position flags and moving
Speaker 6: him around until they find a spot that he really
Speaker 6: excels at.
Speaker 5: Look, you took my guy. He took my guy.
Speaker 4: He's the only gentleman that I think is someone that
Speaker 4: they feel like they maybe can move around out of
Speaker 4: the class. Everyone else seems like where they are is
Speaker 4: where they're going to be. Now we talked about Awesome,
Speaker 4: who do y' all think that he could be a card?
Speaker 8: I'd keep him at tackle. I think first I would
Speaker 8: try and get him comfortable playing tackle. But we saw
Speaker 8: last year though the Cowboys' ability to take Tyler Smith
Speaker 8: and put in Tyler Smith's background. You know, the game's
Speaker 8: nothing against Tulsa, but you know, I mean he you know,
Speaker 8: limited some of the limit competition there. But to me,
Speaker 8: when you when you start talking about Richard's I would
Speaker 8: let him play tackle first, get him comfortable, and then
Speaker 8: feed him a little bit of it during practice.
Speaker 5: Well it sounded like that's what they were.
Speaker 8: I think that. I think that I think that's the plant. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but Tyler did a great job of playing both. I mean,
Speaker 8: they they were like in the you know, he was
Speaker 8: playing tackle, he was playing but the majority of the
Speaker 8: I'm going to take that back, the majority of his
Speaker 8: snaps in Oxnard were at guard. Yeah, right, yes, so,
Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden they plug they play
Speaker 8: him out at left tackle, and man, I think that's
Speaker 8: a spot. Me personally, I think I think that's a spot.
Speaker 8: But they they obviously feel good about the situation at
Speaker 8: guard better than I think a lot of us in
Speaker 8: the media do agree.
Speaker 2: Well, Well, now then like that, I guess, do you
Speaker 2: think he can move inside?
Speaker 5: I agree that.
Speaker 4: I feel like, especially when you talk about the length
Speaker 4: and just kind of how he plays, I feel like
Speaker 4: he has he understands how to play tackle. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: understands how to play tackle. He understands. It's from what
Speaker 4: I saw on film. So I wouldn't jump to guard
Speaker 4: right away, even though I.
Speaker 5: Feel like, am I tripping? What we feel like about
Speaker 5: guard is not what they feel like about guard or
Speaker 5: any trip.
Speaker 8: You're spot on well, the thing that they think about guard,
Speaker 8: and I forget which one of the scouts was talking
Speaker 8: about it. It might have been Mitchell Point was talking
Speaker 8: about the front of the pocket. And this is something
Speaker 8: that goes back to when Jerry Jones, when I used
Speaker 8: to work in the scouting department, Jerry Jones. I don't
Speaker 8: know if he got this from Parcels or Al Davis
Speaker 8: or somebody, maybe Bill Belichick, but about the front of
Speaker 8: the pocket and how, and it goes back to even
Speaker 8: Tony Romo. You have to have the abilities of quarterback
Speaker 8: to step up. Quarterbacks, if they could step up, they
Speaker 8: make the majority of the throws. They could handle stuff
Speaker 8: off the edge. It's the stuff in their face. The
Speaker 8: great Tom Brady get his eye level down. Now you
Speaker 8: get his eye level down, he's not looking downfield. You
Speaker 8: could sack him. You could throw him off his game.
Speaker 8: Most quarterbacks can handle inside pressure, so to combat that,
Speaker 8: you start to talk about and the Cowboys did this forever.
Speaker 8: Ron Leary, you know, big powerful guy, Travis Frederick, you know,
Speaker 8: look at look at him. You know, Zach Martin. They
Speaker 8: they've committed to try and and you know they drafted
Speaker 8: Lyle Collins. Lyle Collins started off, as you know, as
Speaker 8: a as a guard and then moved to tackle. Larry
Speaker 8: Allen played tackle to guard. Yeah, they've always thought about
Speaker 8: keeping the front of that pocket firm, and that that
Speaker 8: goes back with something that Jerry Jones believes. So I
Speaker 8: don't know if it's different if there's any changes. I
Speaker 8: heard of Scouts mentioned that the other day, so I
Speaker 8: think somebody in the organization. It might be the general
Speaker 8: managers like, listen, we need guards and sinners that aren't
Speaker 8: going to get driven back. That's the problem that they
Speaker 8: had with That's the problem they had with Connor Williams. Right,
Speaker 8: you know, Connor Williams were watching Connor and that's the
Speaker 8: problem I would have if you said, oh, Terrence Steele
Speaker 8: is going to play left guard. Now, Terreed Steele is
Speaker 8: an excellent run blocker. He's a he's a he's an
Speaker 8: exceptional run blocker. As a pass blocker, he's a little white,
Speaker 8: he's a little light, and so I don't know if
Speaker 8: i'd want to plug him in a guy that was
Speaker 8: a little light into that spot. We saw what Connor
Speaker 8: WIBs would. It happened with Connor Williams.
Speaker 5: So with pass pro I'm out of curiosity.
Speaker 4: Guys like listening to some of the scouts and even
Speaker 4: listening to Will McClay and just what he said about
Speaker 4: awesome is are they trying to emphasize past block.
Speaker 6: Well you go back to yeah, it seems that way
Speaker 6: because even going into the Tampa Bay game in the playoffs, right,
Speaker 6: they rearranged the offensive line and it's what they we
Speaker 6: heard what they felt was their best pass blocking five.
Speaker 6: And I will say with awesome, I think his strength
Speaker 6: is pass protection, Yeah, compared to run blockers.
Speaker 5: Correct, exactly, That's what I was.
Speaker 8: He stays on his feet as a run blocker. You
Speaker 8: don't see him like I used to talk about, he's
Speaker 8: not on the ground. No, but but it's yeah, it's
Speaker 8: his strength.
Speaker 5: Caroline just threw the ball exactly with schoon.
Speaker 4: Just I think Schoolmaker fits what Mike McCarthy and those
Speaker 4: guys want to do as a running offense. And then
Speaker 4: also we have even got to Lipkey and them adding him,
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, like, do they maybe look at
Speaker 4: Schoonmaker as with his block and ability, is he going
Speaker 4: to be an extra lineman sometimes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when they go with the heavy personnel, certainly. I
Speaker 6: mean he's going to be the in line guy. Brian,
Speaker 6: we were talking about this yesterday. If you go twelve personnel,
Speaker 6: you got two tight ends on the field. He's the
Speaker 6: guy you're going to want to keep in line and block.
Speaker 4: Not their question, right, And I think that's important too.
Speaker 5: When I was trying to digest the draft and understand it.
Speaker 4: Looking at Schoonmaker as an individual isn't fair to him.
Speaker 4: I think you have to look at the whole tight
Speaker 4: end room and what it is. He even mentioned uh
Speaker 4: Patrick Patrick Nocy Walker. He posted his little interview that
Speaker 4: he saw he did with him at the Combine and
Speaker 4: he talked about Sean mchun being one of his best
Speaker 4: friends and being the guy who really showed him what
Speaker 4: he knew when Sean mchuwn came in, he was no,
Speaker 4: I knew Sean mckuwen because he put Chase Chase is it?
Speaker 4: Is it Chase Chase Young in a seat belt. And
Speaker 4: so the blocking ability for Michigan, as you mentioned as
Speaker 4: something that's important listening to Mike McCarthy and those guys
Speaker 4: like Schoolmaker.
Speaker 5: Can block all over the line, he can play.
Speaker 4: It sounds like he was taking also because they he
Speaker 4: played in a system where he was used. They did
Speaker 4: a pro level they did pro level stuff, they ran
Speaker 4: pro level blocking concepts, that type of stuff. So he's
Speaker 4: more of a plug and play player. But I just
Speaker 4: I really was looking at Schoolmaker like, Okay, so what
Speaker 4: is Mike McCarthy, what's Mike McCarthy trying to do with
Speaker 4: this offense because he feels like an important piece to
Speaker 4: kind of balance out the tight end room.
Speaker 8: It's funny you say that because talking about Schoonmaker and
Speaker 8: some scouts will say Schoonmaker might be overrated as a
Speaker 8: blocker and underrated as a receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 8: Yeah that you know, but you do watch Blake Korm
Speaker 8: and others run the ball on you know, Big New,
Speaker 8: you know football on Fox, you know whatever that Iowa
Speaker 8: and the Michigan it's usually the snow's flying and he's
Speaker 8: at the point of attack.
Speaker 7: He's leading the way off the end.
Speaker 8: Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: He is.
Speaker 8: He's leading the edge. They move him. They always put
Speaker 8: him at the point of attack. They don't hide him
Speaker 8: on the backside. They don't say, hey, listen, you're a
Speaker 8: backside guy. It's like Michigan's kind of telling you you
Speaker 8: follow eighty six, you're going to the ball. Yep, Number
Speaker 8: two is going to run that ball behind eighty six.
Speaker 8: You know. That's kind of how Michigan works. And they're
Speaker 8: not bashful about it. They're not trying to hide. It's
Speaker 8: like we have a tied end that can block at
Speaker 8: the point of attack, and I think that's what the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: That's what the Cowboys got.
Speaker 3: Who is who is your preseason rookie of the year
Speaker 3: out of this draft class? Who do you feel like
Speaker 3: makes the biggest impact in year one specifically?
Speaker 7: Oh man, that's tough. I'd still go. I think you
Speaker 7: gotta go with Mazie for me.
Speaker 2: You know, I do think I think scoonmakers in the conversation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's in the conversation for sure, But I do
Speaker 6: think Mozzie's a guy that they just He's got a
Speaker 6: unique skill set that they haven't had here. I mean,
Speaker 6: I know you got Jonathan Hankins, but Mozzie's a better athlete.
Speaker 6: And I think early on, I mean, they've shown that
Speaker 6: they can kind of ease in some of these rookies
Speaker 6: at times, Like Deron Bland played at the back half
Speaker 6: of last year. Dude injury really stepped up, was fantastic.
Speaker 6: I think you'll see that with guys like Overshown. I
Speaker 6: don't know how much run they're going to get immediately,
Speaker 6: and maybe they see more reps later. But Mozzie's a
Speaker 6: guy I know, it's low hanging fruit, right, He's their
Speaker 6: first round pick. The expectations are higher, but I just
Speaker 6: think the impact he's going to have and some of
Speaker 6: it's not Hey, don't look at the box score when
Speaker 6: it comes to Mozzie and the impact he's having on
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 8: That's where this is not a stats draft, in my
Speaker 8: opinion of not a sexy pick. This is not the
Speaker 8: stats draft. I know people out there freaking out for
Speaker 8: me saying that I eat it. But you know what, though,
Speaker 8: for what they're doing, I think Duce Fawn's going to
Speaker 8: be the one. I well, I'm just you need to
Speaker 8: jump in there.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you're wearing the purple.
Speaker 8: Don't let me don't know wildcats. I don't let me
Speaker 8: do that to you. But you know, see that's the
Speaker 8: thing with Deuce. I you know what, if this was
Speaker 8: the old Kellen Moore regime, I probably wouldn't say Douce Van.
Speaker 8: I probably wouldn't say and I don't know if they
Speaker 8: would take Duzvon if Kellen Moore was still here.
Speaker 2: But I do know this though.
Speaker 8: I think Brian Schottenheimer has watched and this is the
Speaker 8: thing that you have to hope if you're a Cowboy
Speaker 8: fan that the year that Brian Schottenheimer worked on the
Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball with Dan Quinn and all
Speaker 8: these guys that watching opponents tape, always breaking down the opponents,
Speaker 8: watching the Philadelphia Eagles, watching the Rant, watching these opponents
Speaker 8: that the Cowboys had last year. You would hope that
Speaker 8: maybe that Schottenheimer stole some ideas along the way. The
Speaker 8: good ones have the good ones. I've been around Andy Reid,
Speaker 8: John Gruden, the really good Sean Payton, the really good
Speaker 8: play callers. They steal.
Speaker 7: Hey, Andy did in the Super Bowl he steals two touchdowns.
Speaker 8: You steal, you steal from other coordinators, you know, And
Speaker 8: like we're talked about, we were laughing about, you know,
Speaker 8: if we could get the screen game going, steal a
Speaker 8: screen package from somebody, yep, whoever it is. And that's
Speaker 8: how you get Deuce Fahne involved, you know, That's how
Speaker 8: you get him involved on the outside with the screens
Speaker 8: or routes up the field, or wheel him or put
Speaker 8: him on a linebacker and let him run those smash
Speaker 8: routes where he's flying inside. Also he plants boomies back
Speaker 8: to the outside. If I'm Brian Schottenheimer and we go
Speaker 8: through this whole season, and guys like Deuce Vaughan and
Speaker 8: Gallop and Lamb and and Ferguson and all those guys
Speaker 8: don't get used Pollard, then they need to look at
Speaker 8: something else here. It wasn't that.
Speaker 6: I think Schottenheimer also, you know, with his dad having
Speaker 6: darren Sprolls and he was with him there in San Diego.
Speaker 6: So they've got a little bit of an idea of
Speaker 6: how to use a smaller bag. And again we might
Speaker 6: need to reth the smaller back thing. You know, I
Speaker 6: talked about it on the draft day, but when they
Speaker 6: show the graphic of the small running backs, every single
Speaker 6: one of those guys have come into the NFL and
Speaker 6: been done productive.
Speaker 10: Yep.
Speaker 4: No, And you mentioned I think that Duce Vaughn could change.
Speaker 4: He's such a change of pace for the offense that
Speaker 4: if you.
Speaker 5: Need a big play he might be the guy. He
Speaker 5: might be the guy. And also too, it's just the backfield.
Speaker 4: The cowboy's backfield is interesting right now when you start
Speaker 4: looking at the running back position, even like I mentioned,
Speaker 4: we have Hunter Lipke. If you're going to add him
Speaker 4: to that, you start to me, I'm starting to get
Speaker 4: a vision of they want a power run sometimes, but
Speaker 4: they want to make you pay.
Speaker 5: In the open field.
Speaker 8: Well, we'll see what Jones does too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, we'll see what he gets to do as well.
Speaker 4: But with duce Vaughn, I was watching him last night
Speaker 4: and I was trying to figure out, like why so
Speaker 4: many people mistackles on him, and it's it came to
Speaker 4: me that it's similar to how we talked about the
Speaker 4: two back system, right when Zeke goes in then and
Speaker 4: then Tony goes in the next play. The line and
Speaker 4: backers are used to certain angles. They're used to tackling
Speaker 4: guys at a certain height, you know, the center. Well,
Speaker 4: imagine being a guy that's trying to form tackle and
Speaker 4: this guy's like five inches shorter than what you are
Speaker 4: even accustomed.
Speaker 5: To do in your body.
Speaker 8: What is it the muscle?
Speaker 5: The muscle?
Speaker 4: Then you need to go get him there the muscle memory.
Speaker 4: And I really think that his his center of gravity,
Speaker 4: and he's so low to the ground. I think it's
Speaker 4: difficult for people to get their hands on them and
Speaker 4: tackle him as they would tackle any other player.
Speaker 8: The problem is defenders play with their eyes. You can't
Speaker 8: see him, you know, all of a sudden, you're fighting blocks,
Speaker 8: fighting blocks and you there he is, and now you
Speaker 8: have to buy you well, he's there. Maybe he's at
Speaker 8: you where you can try and reach, but you you're
Speaker 8: not in position to bring him down because you can't
Speaker 8: find it.
Speaker 3: It's like Turpin has a returner. Yeah, same sort of deal,
Speaker 3: where he's kind of behind all of the big six
Speaker 3: foot three, six foot four guys that are blocking in front.
Speaker 3: It's pretty clear who the fan favorite is going to be.
Speaker 5: That's not even a que thinking of is there some
Speaker 5: competition there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So absolutely as a returner, there's some competition.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Well the thing about it is, I'm now
Speaker 8: once again I'm interested to see because I'm the guy
Speaker 8: that went on all these platforms and said after the
Speaker 8: Green Bay game, after they go to the by, they're
Speaker 8: going to figure out some packages, you know that we're
Speaker 8: gonna figure out some packages, you know, for Turping, And
Speaker 8: they didn't never know they got to never figured out
Speaker 8: one single package right for him.
Speaker 2: Who's going to bring the value to the offensive side.
Speaker 2: That's gonna who's that's who your returners.
Speaker 8: Shame on these coaches if they don't use these players
Speaker 8: like they do on defense, completely, shame on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's gonna be that's the douce bond part of
Speaker 4: things is important.
Speaker 2: Excuse me excited for training camp.
Speaker 6: These battles between all these people, well, the tight end,
Speaker 6: the tight end battle is going to be fun.
Speaker 2: That will be fun.
Speaker 8: Do you need a break?
Speaker 2: Nah, let's go, no break, Let's get the oxnards. Let's
Speaker 2: make it happen. All right.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll do some twitter on this
Speaker 3: twenty we'll answer some questions, and we'll wrap things up
Speaker 3: on the Draft show for twenty twenty three right after this.
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Speaker 2: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show? Back You're
Speaker 2: on the Draft Show.
Speaker 3: It's our final segment of the twenty twenty three NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: It's bittersweet.
Speaker 8: Or just bitter.
Speaker 2: We could say it's just better, but it is our
Speaker 2: final chance to answer some questions for Twitter on the.
Speaker 3: A forty five, because I actually the heads up on
Speaker 3: that one. My brother, I mean, I tease to go
Speaker 3: on the break.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I was talking to you.
Speaker 8: I don't blame you, man. I don't listen to the
Speaker 8: show either.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 3: Steven asked, could you guys give your early May projected
Speaker 3: starting offensive line?
Speaker 2: Five on the offensive line?
Speaker 8: Good luck? I think I think the law of Smith
Speaker 8: and Smith on the left side, Smith, Tyler Smith, the Otish,
Speaker 8: Martin Steele, I would be mine.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that completely.
Speaker 6: Tyler oh Beyondish Martin Steele and Tyron Smith is your
Speaker 6: swing tackle. Tyron is your swing tackle if healthy. Maybe
Speaker 6: they try and plug him in there somewhere, but I'm
Speaker 6: I'm not sure.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 5: I think that's how it starts, and that's how I finished.
Speaker 10: Good.
Speaker 5: I think that's how it starts.
Speaker 15: With Is that that on on social media how it starts? No,
Speaker 15: I agree Brian, Brian's getting this social media started before
Speaker 15: and after.
Speaker 5: I do think that's the best. That's the best units
Speaker 5: you have. But depending on depending on your left tackle,
Speaker 5: it might end up.
Speaker 7: But I'd love Tyron could stay healthy.
Speaker 5: It's so high on.
Speaker 4: They don't get it twisted. I watched some of some
Speaker 4: of what he Doga can do in the run game.
Speaker 4: He's a far better run blocker than he is past blocker.
Speaker 4: So it's contradictory.
Speaker 5: It's like, what what do you want?
Speaker 6: And McCarthy's been run the ball, run the ball, run
Speaker 6: the ball, and well, I mean, look his mantras A
Speaker 6: play caller has been passed heavy. So it's kind of like,
Speaker 6: I'll believe it when I see it if he's going
Speaker 6: to dial up all these runs. But that's what they're
Speaker 6: trying to focus on here.
Speaker 4: It seems see maybe running the ball ain't just running
Speaker 4: the ball out of four I maybe running the ball
Speaker 4: is like we talked about getting guys in space.
Speaker 5: There's different types of runs there is.
Speaker 8: People were asking me about Dalton Reisner.
Speaker 6: I was always coming out of Case State. He's been
Speaker 6: in Denver, Bronco. We've gotten to have him on the
Speaker 6: show once.
Speaker 2: I like him.
Speaker 7: He's a good player.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: My gang of seven was saying, descending player a grinded
Speaker 8: out short range players, slow feet, slow on the move,
Speaker 8: struggles to bend. Who has to win with hand you
Speaker 8: short area and with his toughness. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 8: And then and then another guy did say that he
Speaker 8: was surprised still available. Not sure why didn't have a
Speaker 8: great year last year. Still young low end startered a
Speaker 8: strong backup Dalton Reisner. He's a guy that's on the
Speaker 8: street right now. If that would guard people are asking
Speaker 8: about it a depth piece. So you guys, when when
Speaker 8: people ask about it, no, that's what I did, So
Speaker 8: just tell people that watch the draft, you have to
Speaker 8: watch the draft show. A lot of questions about him.
Speaker 8: Always helped undrafted free agents. This's gonna be up for
Speaker 8: a year.
Speaker 3: So, uh, undrafted free agents that were brought in. Who
Speaker 3: was the highest grade on your.
Speaker 2: Draft board and how do you feel like they fit
Speaker 2: in with the team.
Speaker 6: Oh, Darrell Johnson for sure was the highest, the high
Speaker 6: at of Liberty. And I mean we we did talk
Speaker 6: about him during the drafts. We were wondering, like, hey,
Speaker 6: could he be the guy with that seventh round pick?
Speaker 6: But he he's really good. I mean, he can chase
Speaker 6: down plays from the backside, big guy, big frame, you know,
Speaker 6: I like I like his makeup. I think he can
Speaker 6: probably put up put on some muscle because he's got
Speaker 6: that lanky build.
Speaker 7: But he's just got really good play strength. He's got
Speaker 7: a feel for the game.
Speaker 6: You know, you don't see him make as many plays
Speaker 6: for me in the run game, but as a pass rusher,
Speaker 6: I thought there was a lot to like. He times
Speaker 6: the snap, well, he's a good athlete. He'll fact fight
Speaker 6: through blocks, can chase down plays on the backside, splits
Speaker 6: through the arden, center well the garden and tackle well
Speaker 6: you know, and he's very alert.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 6: I think that his football, like housteemed really high. And
Speaker 6: if you watch him against the bigger competition, Liberty played
Speaker 6: some good.
Speaker 7: Football, but he'st Arkansas.
Speaker 14: Yep.
Speaker 2: He freaking dominated that game. Yep, he did.
Speaker 8: My guy is Tyris Wheat from Mississippi State six two
Speaker 8: two sixty three. He was player one point thirty two
Speaker 8: on my board. Wow, and so that's real high. That
Speaker 8: was really high. And so he was the one that
Speaker 8: when you know, when you watched him play at State
Speaker 8: and they list him as a linebacker, and I wonder
Speaker 8: if they're going to try and like uh uh, they're
Speaker 8: going to try and take some weight off him and
Speaker 8: make him a linebacker. But he's an edge rusher for
Speaker 8: Mississippi State. He's a guy that does a really good
Speaker 8: job of like he can get up the field. Like
Speaker 8: the change of direction probably isn't uh you know, is
Speaker 8: it like elite by any means. But when you when
Speaker 8: he gets to the corner and gets to the shoulder,
Speaker 8: he's going to dip underneath the blocker and he's going
Speaker 8: to get on top of the quarterback they try and
Speaker 8: run the ball at him. I think he does a
Speaker 8: great job of holding the point of attack. He's a
Speaker 8: little bit of an older guy. He's a fifth year
Speaker 8: senior from Mississippi State. And then so he wears a
Speaker 8: single digit, so he kind of this big guy with
Speaker 8: a single digit thing. It always looks kind of funny.
Speaker 8: But but tires Weed is a guy that man and
Speaker 8: I know for a fact these are these are guys,
Speaker 8: the tires Wheeds and the Johnson's and guys. These are
Speaker 8: guys that had draftable grades. These are the first guys
Speaker 8: that the Cowboys always go after. They go after the
Speaker 8: guys that are still on their draft board, and then
Speaker 8: they work down from there. But I know for a
Speaker 8: fact that we Johnson those guys were sitting pretty nicely
Speaker 8: on their board. They just didn't get a chance to
Speaker 8: draft him. But keep an eye on tires Wheat from
Speaker 8: Mississippi State. He's got he's got something to his game.
Speaker 4: Barncles, I can't find my notes on TJ.
Speaker 8: Best.
Speaker 2: That's my guy.
Speaker 8: I got you.
Speaker 2: I'll pick you up, okay. So I had him as
Speaker 2: a yes did you did you do?
Speaker 8: The Florida and kidneys?
Speaker 7: They like land so like isaiahen So TJ.
Speaker 2: Bass I had him as a as a fifth round grade.
Speaker 2: I liked him a lot.
Speaker 3: He was one seventy seven for me. I like the
Speaker 3: way that that he keeps his pad level low. He's
Speaker 3: very compact. That's kind of a knock against this game.
Speaker 3: He's got shorter arm, small torsto, longer legs, though he's
Speaker 3: got some link to his lower body.
Speaker 2: Effort level is exceptionally high. I mean he is a maller.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like what we talked about with Fojoco.
Speaker 2: The motor is there. You can't teach that. He looks
Speaker 2: for work. His eyes are up.
Speaker 3: He's around looking for people that are unblocked on every
Speaker 3: single play, hard hitter when he squares up too. He's
Speaker 3: got some power and power in that compact upper body.
Speaker 3: There are some times when he wastes movement when he's
Speaker 3: trying to plant. He doesn't have the right hand placement
Speaker 3: on a couple of occasions, but he had plenty of production.
Speaker 3: He was a transfer from Idaho before going to Oregon
Speaker 3: and starting at guard and then he switched out the
Speaker 3: left tackle. He was better at guard, but then he
Speaker 3: was a second team All American at left tackle, which
Speaker 3: is weird to say, but his film was much better
Speaker 3: at Guard. I watched him against Washington, Stanford and b
Speaker 3: y U initially, but then when Dame Brugler's Beast came out,
Speaker 3: he said he struggled against Georgia, and he struggled.
Speaker 8: With a lot of people struggled, except right from Tennessee didn't.
Speaker 3: And he said that he struggled against Washington. I thought
Speaker 3: he was okay against Washington, held his own, but against
Speaker 3: those athletics, those aggressive edge rushers, he had some trouble.
Speaker 2: And I think the link was a big poo.
Speaker 6: It's a big name to know as well though, because
Speaker 6: we were wondering what were they doing at Guard, you know?
Speaker 14: And t J.
Speaker 6: Bass is a guy that as an undrafted player, he's
Speaker 6: got a change, maybe make the team against Georgia. See
Speaker 6: that's not too bad, right, He just flatten. I didn't
Speaker 6: like him as much as at Cody malk at a
Speaker 6: North Dakota State, but the play temperament was somewhat similar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's similar, and he I think he has you
Speaker 4: I think, did you mentioned awareness from him?
Speaker 6: I did when it came to Derell Johnson, But you're right,
Speaker 6: I mean, and Kyle was alluding to that too. He
Speaker 6: always eyes up he's looking, he's aware, he knows what's
Speaker 6: going on.
Speaker 2: I like this tape a lot.
Speaker 3: And when they brought him in as an undrafted free agent,
Speaker 3: he was the top man on my board. What did
Speaker 3: you think about Isaiah Lamb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this dude is just he looks he looks
Speaker 4: like a d N man like he's so bendy, just
Speaker 4: has instincts on how to get to the ball. I
Speaker 4: think the biggest thing for him is the run game.
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the biggest things. It's just
Speaker 4: him getting at I don't I think he has the
Speaker 4: size to play d N but to stick his nose
Speaker 4: in the run game and get a little bit more active.
Speaker 4: But he's just such a freak off the line. Dude
Speaker 4: just knows how to get to the quarterback. He naturally
Speaker 4: gets to the quarterback. But the bend and the athleticism
Speaker 4: is there for six forty And the thing is is
Speaker 4: that he has been in strength and I think that
Speaker 4: that is what changes things a little bit. The conversation
Speaker 4: about what he could be. When they picked him up
Speaker 4: as an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 5: I was upstairs and I saw it and I was like, yes,
Speaker 5: because I think with.
Speaker 4: The proper coaching, this guy could really become a guy.
Speaker 4: And don't get it twisted. When he entered the portal,
Speaker 4: Georgia wanted him, Like there's there are some teams that
Speaker 4: were really interested in this player and his development. So
Speaker 4: I think you could be getting a legit pass rusher
Speaker 4: that can make a difference as he develops in this league.
Speaker 4: So the bend for me, and the way he can
Speaker 4: just bend the corner and really put somebody and get vertical.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got some violent intentions when he comes around
Speaker 7: that edge.
Speaker 4: The attitude we talked about it, man, like there's an
Speaker 4: edginess to so many of these guys that they're bringing
Speaker 4: in here. Motor effort and are they a little disrespectful
Speaker 4: when they out there? Yeah, like these are tome setters,
Speaker 4: a lot of these defensive players they're bringing in. But
Speaker 4: like I said, I mean three hundred and seventy five inch,
Speaker 4: like the dudes not know we do. Despite what people
Speaker 4: think about his frame, he's very lean, very very very lean.
Speaker 5: I think if you want him to be better than
Speaker 5: the run.
Speaker 4: Game, he could put on a lidded with more side,
Speaker 4: But you don't want.
Speaker 5: To take away from the speed. The speed that exists
Speaker 5: there and he just he just gets there. Look, he
Speaker 5: just gets there. He's a nuisance I think for a
Speaker 5: lot of tackles because he does not stop.
Speaker 2: I do want to give no no doubt.
Speaker 7: I do want to give some love to Hunter Lipkey.
Speaker 6: Though I know, Brian, you've talked about the shoulder, worried
Speaker 6: about it, a little bit about that, and I get
Speaker 6: that one hundred percent. And the thing is he is
Speaker 6: a projection. He's got the body type of a full back,
Speaker 6: but he played as the running back.
Speaker 8: The yeah, like a one back runner, right.
Speaker 2: But I saw him in North Dakota State.
Speaker 6: He was named the most Outstanding player in their twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two NCAA Championship game. But he's a no nonsense
Speaker 6: downhill runner that's lower in the shoulder, running through people.
Speaker 6: I thought he does a really nice job balancing, rolling
Speaker 6: off tacklers difficult to bring down. Can be used in
Speaker 6: the passing game, runs really good wheel routes, can be
Speaker 6: used in the flat soft hand. Shows off versatility, and
Speaker 6: he's sneaky quick, but he doesn't have a leap burst
Speaker 6: or speed by any means. He played some tight ends
Speaker 6: some even in the wildcat formation. They'll throw him in there,
Speaker 6: but his legs are always moving, which allows him to
Speaker 6: gain extra yards. He's always falling forward. I think he's
Speaker 6: immediately a special teams contributor. You know, his paddle level
Speaker 6: gets a little high sometimes, but when he does lower them,
Speaker 6: he turned out some really, really productive runs.
Speaker 2: He's a Swiss Army knife type.
Speaker 8: Now everybody's trying to find the next Kyle u Check.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's quite the athlete the Kyle you
Speaker 6: Check is, but he is a player that can be
Speaker 6: utilized in a lot of similar ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I talked to Linda Wells about him yesterday when we
Speaker 3: just kind of passed in the hallway and he.
Speaker 2: Said, h back.
Speaker 3: He said, expect him a little bit as that h
Speaker 3: back up back and somebody that they can run behind too,
Speaker 3: because he's a good blocker squares up well. But I
Speaker 3: agree with you in the receiving ability. I think that's
Speaker 3: the sneaky part about it. He may be in that
Speaker 3: tight end room more than he will be in the
Speaker 3: running back. Interesting, I think there's a chance that that
Speaker 3: possibly happens running behind.
Speaker 4: If you're running behind liftkey and scooon maker, Hey, what
Speaker 4: if your guard.
Speaker 2: Is you'll make it happy, You'll be okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just feel like that gives me so much, so
Speaker 4: much information. They talked about twelve personnel and some of
Speaker 4: the things they want to do. Man, Like I think
Speaker 4: they do want to run the ball. I think they
Speaker 4: want to run the ball and create past and situation.
Speaker 8: Definitely, last name, Schottenneimer will tell you they want to
Speaker 8: run the stock.
Speaker 5: When I hear his name, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm glad this is the last thing we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about on the Draft Show. Like, that's the lasting
Speaker 3: impact is Shotty shot shot Shotty. So that way, whenever
Speaker 3: everybody goes back and listen to Shorty Shorty, Shorty, all right,
Speaker 3: that does it for us on the Draft Show. Again,
Speaker 3: special thanks to everybody that had their hands on this
Speaker 3: throughout the entire draft process.
Speaker 2: It's been so much fun working with you guys. Again,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 8: It felt like a war room all year long. We
Speaker 8: had fun, bad fun putting together if two and I
Speaker 8: want to stay. Thanks to guys like Ed K. Hills
Speaker 8: and people like that, the Dame Buruglars, the others who
Speaker 8: have been a part of this thing. It seems to
Speaker 8: get better every year, and like I say, thank you
Speaker 8: for quarterback in this all years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing else I'd rather do. I love the draft.
Speaker 2: I love looking at these prospects.
Speaker 3: And looking toward the future because next time we'll be
Speaker 3: on here, we'll know what happened with a lot of
Speaker 3: these guys, and that's going to be a ton of
Speaker 3: fun looking back on what we said and what we anticipated.
Speaker 3: And then, of course you gotta go play the games.
Speaker 3: You gotta go all out.
Speaker 2: There has to be a great gig.
Speaker 16: If you didn't have to play the game, That's true,
Speaker 16: we'd be right all the time, right, never exactly well
Speaker 16: special thanks to the fans out there too for sticking
Speaker 16: with us throughout the entire draft process.
Speaker 2: For Chris being.
Speaker 3: Brian brought us, Zach Wilt, Chuck, Ayisha Morrison, and Bobby Belt.
Speaker 2: I'm KYLEI Yemen saying so long, We'll see you next
Speaker 2: year on the Draft Show.
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