1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: ends here. We invite you to enjoy all our shows 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: we have on this network, and right now, let's start 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: with Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. The thoughts and 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Get ready, this is 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: Strange Things. I am Joshua Warren, and each week on 14 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: this show, I'll be bringing your friend new my blowing content, 15 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: news exercises, and weird experiments you can do at home, 16 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: and a lot more on this edition of the show. 17 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: dB Cooper and Horror Movie Tales. Now, I'm not going 18 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: to spend too much time on dB Cooper because a 19 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: lot of people have years and years and years and 20 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm not one of them. But I do have some 21 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: new thoughts on this, and I figure out what the heck, 22 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: I'll let you know about it. If you don't know 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: who dB Cooper is, I'll explain in a minute. Um, 24 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: he hijacked the plane back in nineteen seven. He one, 25 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: and to this day nobody knows who he was. He 26 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: got away with it, and the story may or may 27 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: not be paranormal. Some people think there's a supernatural element. 28 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: It's certainly a great mystery because it is the only 29 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: significant unsolved hijacking ever and uh, it's strange, but it's 30 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: definitely one of the strange things that has happened in 31 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: our country here in the U s of A. So, yeah, 32 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, I I occasionally I will develop TV shows. 33 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: I don't do much of that anymore because I found 34 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: that the TV business is very, very time consuming. It 35 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: reminds me of that Elvis song. A little less conversation, 36 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: a little more action. You have to have tons of 37 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: phone calls and teleconferences and zoom things, and you don't 38 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: know if it's gonna go anywhere or not. Very time consuming. 39 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: But occasionally I will pitch an idea to a network 40 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: and it gets it gets picked up, and so years Ago, 41 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: I met Jeff Mudget who um believes that one of 42 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: his ancestors, one of his great grandfather's, was the American 43 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: serial killer H. H. Holmes, And he believes that H. H. 44 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Holmes actually went to England and committed the Jack the 45 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Ripper murders. And he's got this whole big theory about it. 46 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: He wrote a book about it, Bloodstains really interesting. I 47 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: met him at a conference in New York, and Uh, 48 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: I said, let me try pitching this as a show, 49 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and so I did. I pitched it to the History 50 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: Channel and it got picked up and it got turned 51 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: into a series called American Ripper. And so I'm always 52 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: interested in, uh watching History Channel documentaries where they go 53 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: back and they try to solve mysteries. And years ago 54 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: they did a documentary where they were trying to figure 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: out who D. B. Cooper was, and of course they didn't, 56 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: but they didn't raise some interesting points. And now Netflix 57 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: had has just come out with this new documentary. It's 58 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: a series that I watched recently. It's called dB Cooper, 59 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Where Are You? And Uh, they're going back and they 60 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: are they're kind of picking up or the History Channel 61 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: thing left off and looking at other clues, and they 62 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: brought up some things that I've never heard about before. Okay, 63 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: so if this is new to you, Okay, in a nutshell, 64 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: uh the day before Thanksgiving, on November nineteen one, this tall, 65 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: clean cut, dark haired man wearing sunglasses in a black 66 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: business suit carried a briefcase onto an aircraft, uh, an airplane. 67 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: Let's see here, this was a Okay, the air the 68 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: aircraft was flying from Portland, Oregon to Seattle, Washington, a 69 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: relatively short uh a short flight there. And you have 70 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: to understand, especially if you're one of the younger folks 71 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: who listens to this show. Back in those days, there 72 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: was virtually no security. Okay, you could just walts onto 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: an airplane. And you still can do that really if 74 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: you have it like a private chartered plane. But you know, 75 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: my wife Lauren and I we've talked about the fact 76 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: that going through the security can be such a pain. 77 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Maybe they're on a be just a fly at your 78 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: own risk airlines. Right when you say I'm just gonna 79 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: go for it, I feel lucky today. Obviously, you want 80 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: to make sure the airplane is not flying over any 81 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: populated areas, because you know, if it goes down. Well, 82 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: the people on the ground don't have any any control 83 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: over that, but back in those days, it was it 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: was that's how it was, fly their own risk. So 85 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: this polite, uh, sort of unassuming man who kind of 86 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: looked like every other businessman of the day, he walks 87 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: onto this airplane, he sits down, they take off, Uh, 88 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: he starts smoking some cigarettes, He orders a whiskey, and 89 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: then he calls a flighty two over and he passes 90 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: her a note and he says, I have a bomb 91 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: in this briefcase. And from there, of course, they they 92 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: kept the passengers in the dark about what was happening, 93 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: but he started giving um demands to the staff. And 94 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: essentially what he wanted was he said he wanted the 95 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: plane to land. And I can't remember exactly where it landed, 96 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: but he said he when he when the plane landed, 97 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: he would let the passengers off, but he wanted in 98 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: return two hundred thousand dollars, which in today's money is 99 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: worth over a million dollars. And he wanted I think 100 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: like three or four parachutes. So obviously everybody was like, seriously, 101 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: this guy is gonna try to parachute out of this plane. 102 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: But they said in this documentary, it's a stroke of 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: genius that he asked for uh, three or four parachutes, 104 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: because if he had just asked for one, then they 105 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: would say, well, he's gonna use this. So they may 106 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: have tampered with it, but they thought, well, maybe he's 107 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: gonna take some hostages when this crazy guy jumps out 108 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: of this plane. So uh, they didn't tamper with those parachutes. 109 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, sure enough the plane lands. Uh, they've delivered 110 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: him the two thousand dollars and the parachutes, and he 111 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: lets everybody off the plane just like he said he would, 112 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: except for um, the crew. And then they take off again, 113 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: and he he said that he wanted to be flown 114 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: to Mexico City. Now it's a very very dark and 115 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: stormy November night, very harsh conditions, and he was somewhere 116 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: over the Pacific Northwest on this just terrifying night with 117 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: lightning flashing everywhere, and um, he goes to the back 118 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and the crew, here is something going on. And then 119 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: sure enough, this guy in his in his suit, in 120 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: his business suit as has opened some door and upped 121 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: off of this plane with that money into the thick 122 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: woodland of the Pacific Northwest. Uh, never to be seen 123 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: or heard from again. And UH for a long time, 124 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: they thought he might have actually been in Nevada, like 125 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: around Reno or something, and some people thought he was 126 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: maybe good, I'd try to make it to Vegas. But anyway, 127 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: nobody knows where he landed exactly. Um, you know we're 128 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: talking about this has been over fifty years ago. People 129 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: said they thought he was in his mid forties. So 130 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: if this guy is still alive, he's pushing you know, 131 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: he's getting close to a hundred. Um. Nobody knows if 132 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: he lived or died. They never found the confirmed evidence 133 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: of a parachute. They did find some of his money 134 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: at some point on a like a little river bank 135 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: or something. But anyway, so nobody knows what happened to 136 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: this guy. So it's become the stuff of legends. Right. 137 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: So here's what I found interesting about this new documentary 138 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: and why I wanted to bring this up to you, 139 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: because it is it's one of those mysteries that I've 140 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: just never talked to about before, because people were very 141 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: serious when they start investigating this, and you know, I 142 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: all I know is what I've seen on TV or 143 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: heard on the radio or read about in articles like 144 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I am not a dB Cooper expert guy, so please 145 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: don't hold my opinion against me. And but here's what 146 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: they pointed out. Okay, for one thing, I do think 147 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: it is amazing that that a guy like that um 148 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: got away with it. Even if he died, he still 149 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: kind of got away with it. Because we we never 150 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: found his body, we don't know who he was. But 151 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: if he did survive, it's even more astounding. I mean, 152 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: people just don't get away with stuff like that. Eventually 153 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: we find out, you know, somebody brags in a bar, 154 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: or somebody says, you know what this looks like my 155 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: brother or or my dad or my son, or like 156 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: people talk. And so I always thought that was just 157 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: amaz thing to me that all the investigative techniques never 158 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: determined who he was. And one of the points they 159 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: made in this documentary was that, well, he may not 160 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: have been an American. If he were not an American, 161 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: then it would have been much much more difficult to 162 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: figure out who he was if he'd made it out 163 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: of our country. That makes sense to me. On the contrary, 164 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: they there are people in this documentary saying that they 165 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: thought he might be a Canadian. I was like, okay, 166 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: well that could be. You know, we're dealing with that 167 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: part of the country up near Canada. And they said 168 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: to listen to this. They said that when he asked 169 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: for his two hundred thousand dollars, he said he wanted 170 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: negotiable American currency. Now that sounds weird, doesn't it. I 171 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: was born and raised in the US of A, and 172 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: my family has been here for many generations. And I 173 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: don't think that if I were going to demand money, 174 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: I would be that specific. I think I would just 175 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: be like, I want two hundred thousand dollars there in 176 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: my duff a bag and unmarked bills and no funny 177 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: stuff pal. You know. I don't think I'll be like 178 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: I would like some negotiable American currency. I mean that 179 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: that makes me think, okay, yeah, that sounds like something. 180 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: And uh okay, here's the next thing. Now, now this 181 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: one right here, this might be the real clincher. Though. 182 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: I we're already up on a break. When we come back. 183 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: I think after you hear what I'm about to tell 184 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: you, you you might agree, like, yeah, this guy, whoever he was, 185 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: he was probably a Canadian and and if he died fine, 186 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: but if he made it across the border, he may 187 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: have been able to disappear. But there's one other big 188 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: reason that it seems like he might be a Canadian. 189 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: Then I know this is all really weird, but I'm 190 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: gonna tie this into some horror movie stories. You know 191 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: how my mind works. 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I 211 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: am para normal podcast network. I am your host, the 212 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Wizard of We're Joshua P. Warren beaming into your wormhole 213 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, 214 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is silver. 215 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people kind of view dB 216 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: Cooper is some kind of a cult hero because he well, 217 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: he was obviously smart, he was obviously talented, and he 218 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: he went into this situation kept as cool. Uh. He 219 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: he pulled it off, He got the money, he stuck 220 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: it to the man, and nobody died. I, however, completely 221 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: disagree with that because I think that it's only a 222 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: miracle by the grace of God that nobody died. Uh. 223 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Everything that he did jeopardized the lives of every single 224 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: person on that airplane, not to mention anybody underneath that airplane. 225 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: So I feel like that it was he was He's 226 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: a terrible criminal, and I mean, yeah, he obviously had 227 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: some skills, but he should not be viewed heroically. Being 228 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: a criminal of that nature is not heroic. Um. I 229 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: understand there are times when laws have to be broken. 230 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: That's what the founders of this country did when they 231 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: were breaking the British rule. I get that. But hijacking 232 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: an airplane and that's not that's not cool ever. Okay, 233 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, why did he get away with this? 234 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: How is this possible after fifty more than fifty years? Well, um, okay, 235 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: if he was from another country, that would help. But 236 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: listen to this. The fact that he may have been 237 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: a Canadian was reinforced by the fact that when he 238 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: actually gave his name at the ticket counter, and they 239 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: said that back in those days, like I wasn't even 240 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventy while, okay, but if you if 241 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: you wanted a ticket, you could just walk into the 242 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: airport and you could just buy a ticket, you know, 243 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: just like you're buying a bus ticket. And he he 244 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: did not actually give the name D. B. Cooper. He 245 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: gave the name Dan Cooper, d A. N. Dan Cooper. 246 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: At some point there was a mistranslation in media stories 247 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: and it got turned into D. B. Cooper which has stuck. 248 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: But he said his name was Dan Cooper. Well, it 249 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: turns out, and I had never heard this before, that 250 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: there was a very popular, uh I mean popular yet 251 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: obscure in America comic book hero in Canada called Dan Cooper. 252 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: And just to get this straight here, okay, I'm reading this. Uh. 253 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: The The Cooper research team, led by Tom kay Uh, 254 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: working in cooperation with the Seattle based FBI agent Larry Carr, 255 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: speculate the hijacker may have chosen an alias based on 256 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: the fictional character Dan Cooper. Uh. They suggest the hijacker 257 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: may have been exposed to the comics while on a 258 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: tour of duty in Europe, or that he may have 259 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: been a French Canadian origin. Some of the comics storylines 260 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: seemingly match aspects of the dB Cooper case, including jumping 261 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: out of a plane with a parachute, as well as 262 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: a ransom being delivered in a knapsack. Whoa um so, 263 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: yeah's looking up? Dan Cooper, fictional Canadian military flying ace 264 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: and a rocket ship pilot says it was conceived in 265 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, been around a while and uh he 266 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: is a test pilot in the Royal Canadian Air force 267 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: this fictional character. Okay, and um so look well, I 268 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: think one of the guys in the documentary said this 269 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: would be sort of like somebody walking in and saying 270 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: my name is Tony Hawk and then committing a robbery 271 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: and escaping on a skateboard, and you're like, Okay, that's 272 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: a bit much for coincidence. So I now I think that, yeah, 273 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: that I'm sort of convinced this is the most likely 274 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: uh see ri or call it a hypothesis, whatever you 275 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: this is. This is one of the most likely probabilities 276 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: that I've heard about that this guy was a Canadian 277 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: who did this and we should start, you know, looking there. 278 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: So when when I was watching this documentary, they were interviewing, 279 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: uh they were. They showed interviews, you know, archival footage 280 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: with the Clark County Sheriff. Now Clark County is where 281 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: Las Vegas is located. It's a big, big county. But like, 282 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: like I say, they were they were thinking for a 283 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: while that he may have actually ended up in Nevada 284 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: and he was working his way to Vegas, and who knows, 285 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe he did. And you know, I'm out there now, 286 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: I own this this land near area fifty one, and 287 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: I'm exploring all these mysteries. And on my last podcast, 288 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: I was talking about, you know, going out there to 289 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: to the desert and sitting around having a whiskey, just 290 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: like old DV. Cooper around the campfire, kind of setting 291 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: it on and talking about how weird it is out here, 292 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: how there's just mysteries upon mysteries upon mysteries start layering here. 293 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: And as we were sitting around, I said, you know what, 294 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: I did a podcast a while back about synchronicity, and 295 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: everybody seems to like that topic. And I said, I 296 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: I remember a story that I don't think I've ever 297 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: told before. You know, they're talking about making a dB 298 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: Cooper movie. And uh so, anyway, I was talking about 299 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: like some of my experiences working on movies and TV shows. 300 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: I said, here is. I don't know if anybody else 301 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: is going to think this is as amazing as I do, 302 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: but let me just toss it out there and you 303 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: tell me so, like, oh, over ten years ago, I 304 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: can't remember, let's see, I think it was two foul 305 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: some ten something like that. I was, yeah, probably on 306 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: two thousand ten, like so, like twelve thirteen years ago, 307 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: somewhere around I got contacted by Warner Brothers and they 308 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: told me that they were going to be making this 309 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: horror movie called The Apparition. And the horror movie was 310 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: about a group of college kids to get together and 311 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: try to create a ghost. And it was kind of 312 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: based on the Philip experiment. And the idea was that 313 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: they all came together and created a talpa. But uh, 314 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: once you create a talpa, guess what, he's not a 315 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: very nice guy and so he starts trying to kill everybody, right, 316 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: all right, makes sense for a horror movie. And they 317 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: got some of the best young rising stars at that 318 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: time to be in the movie. Uh, they got Ashley Green. 319 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: And Ashley Green was in the Twilight series. Now, if 320 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: you never watched Twilight, you might not even know who 321 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: she is though, because she's kind of an obscure actress 322 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Okay, but if you watch Twilight, you 323 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: know who she is. And then it had Sebastian stand 324 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: in it, and he went on to gain fame when 325 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: the Marvel stuff like Captain America and then had Tom 326 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: Felton in it. He was he was a little Malfoy, 327 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: the bad guy kid and Harry Potter. So I mean, 328 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: there were some you know, serious names in there. And 329 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: they hired me to be the ghost consultant because they 330 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: wanted their experiments and stuff to look realistic. And I 331 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: had laboratory, so I put a team together and not 332 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: only did we actually sort of recreate some of the 333 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: experiments that they did in the movie, which you can 334 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: watch if you are able to find a blu ray 335 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: copy of the apparition that has um all the extras 336 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But they were so impressed, Warner 337 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: Brothers was They said, hey, Josh, we want to send 338 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: you out here, uh to the set, okay, and and 339 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: we want to interview you on the set of the movie. 340 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: I said, that's that's fantastic, what a cool thing. So 341 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: they flew me out to l A. They put me 342 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: up in the Haunted Roosevelt Hotel there in Hollywood. They 343 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: wrote me out of the set and I got to 344 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: meet all these people. I met, you know, Ashley Green 345 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: and all the actors and stuff and um, which that 346 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back to that in a minute, because 347 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far off track here 348 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of little connections. So the 349 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: movie came out the Apparition, and um, it was. It 350 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: was a big flop. Okay, it was a big flop. 351 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no two ways about it. It just 352 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: it didn't do well at the box office. And I 353 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: did my job well, but I'm just like you know, 354 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: the nonfiction consultant guy. Uh. But for whatever reason, it didn't. 355 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: It was not a success. And most people have probably 356 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: never even heard of the Apparition. And like I said, 357 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: most people probably have never even heard of Ashley Green 358 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 1: or or a lot of those characters, those actors. Right, 359 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: all right, so last year, Okay, so we're we're talking 360 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: about um again, this is like twelve thirteen years ago. 361 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: I worked on this movie. Last year. I was here 362 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: in Vegas with my wife Lauren and my good buddy 363 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: filmmaker see Eric Scott, and we were running around doing 364 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: some bar hop in downtown and there are a lot 365 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: of really weird bars around Fremont Street, and it was 366 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: a packt night, probably like a Saturday night. And um 367 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: was some point we started talking about projects we'd worked on, 368 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: and I brought up Ashley Green out of the Blue, 369 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: and I think I said something like uh. At one point, um, 370 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I probably they threw away some of her like wardrobe 371 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: or something in the garbage can, and I felt like, hey, 372 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: I bet if I'd fished that out of the garbage can, 373 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: I could put that on eBay ha ha, you know, 374 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: because she's got some fans out there. Right. So anyways, 375 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: I bring up Ashley Mean, I haven't brought up Ashley 376 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: Green in years. And uh so, anyway, here we are, 377 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: we're moving from bar to bar. We went to this 378 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: bar called the Griffin, and they have these vending machines 379 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: the likes of which I've never seen anywhere else, and 380 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: you can buy mystery boxes. There's like a five dollar 381 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: mystery box, a ten dollar mystery bocks, mystery bocks, and 382 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of a fun thing to do after you've 383 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: had a few drinks in Las Vegas, is to say, 384 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: what is the surprise going to be here? So I 385 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: go up to the machine. I can't remember. I think 386 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: it was like the ten dollar mystery bocks that I 387 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: bought it. Falls take it to the bar. I sit 388 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: down next to Lauren and Eric, and I say, let's 389 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: see what's in the mystery box. When we come back, 390 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you what was in the mystery box. 391 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: And then some other it's weird like synchronicities I've had 392 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: when I really think about it, when it comes to 393 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: run ins with people who have been in horror movies. 394 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pee Warrent. You're listening to strange Things on 395 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am 396 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: pain normal podcast network. I will be back after these 397 00:25:24,920 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: important messages. Welcome back to range things on the I 398 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. Yeah, Pepper a normal 399 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: podcast network. I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren, and this 400 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Late night, 401 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: bar Las Vegas. I opened the mystery box. The first 402 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: thing I pulled out was one of those little uh 403 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: fortune telling fish. You know, there's little it's like a 404 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: little piece of thin red plastic. The curls up in 405 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: your hand and I think it's just the I think 406 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: it's just the humidity coming off your hand that does that. 407 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what they figured out. So anyway, but 408 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: those are cool. And then there was like some skittles 409 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: in there, and then you know, maybe like a whistle 410 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: or so. I'm going through all this little stuff that 411 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: they've put in this box, and there is one trading 412 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: hard in there and I pull it out and guess what, 413 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: It's an Ashley Green trading card. I don't even remember 414 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: what kind of a card it was, like, I don't 415 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: even know whether it would be a trading card with 416 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: an actress on it or something. But here is I mean, 417 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: like my not only did my jaw hit the bar, 418 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: but also Eric's and Lawrence because it was just so 419 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: random that I've just been talking about her for the 420 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: first time in ages and then I get this mystery 421 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: box and I pulled that out. Now what does that mean? 422 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: As pee wee Herman said, I don't know, but there 423 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of synchronicity that was surrounding that movie 424 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: for example. Okay, so when I went there to be 425 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: a part of the production where I was on the 426 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: actual set and and by the way, Ashley Green was 427 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: so sweet and all the actors are really nice, and 428 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: I wish of nothing but great success, and I wish 429 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: that movie had done better for all for everybody involved. 430 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: But you know, they're all great people and they'll all 431 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: be rich and famous for the rest of their lives, 432 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure. But um, when I was on the set, 433 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: this was a Warner Brothers set, so there were a 434 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: lot of people I don't even know, you know, certainly 435 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: over a hundred people. It's kind of a funny story. 436 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: By the way. Um I was standing there one at 437 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: one point and there was um some lady I don't 438 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: know who she was, and she came up to the 439 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: assistant director and she says, she looks over and there's 440 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: a rock in front of this house, like in the lawn. 441 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: And she said, is that a real rock or is 442 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: that a prop rock? And he goes, h, I don't know. 443 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: And she goes, well, because I don't want to touch it, 444 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, if it's a prop rock, But if it's 445 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: a real rock, I'd like to get it out of 446 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: the way. And he says, yeah, well, let me go 447 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: ask this other director, you know, and then and then 448 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: that person. So there's like this. It took them thirty 449 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: minutes to figure out whether or not this rock was 450 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: a real rock or a fake rock. And I thought 451 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: that was That's a good example of what Hollywood is like. 452 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: This is a good example of what that what it's 453 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: like to be immersed in that world where nobody even 454 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: knows what to believe. I think a lot of people 455 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: lose all sense of control and logic in that environment. 456 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: But all right, anyway, so we were because there were 457 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of people and we were actually on location 458 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: at this real house filming this thing. Then they had 459 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: a shuttle that would take everybody back to um, you know, 460 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: like their parking areas. Right, So it's I mean, it's 461 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: it's been a long, long day for everybody. And I 462 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: noticed that there was this guy who had like white 463 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: hair and a white beer in the ball cap, and 464 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: he was he was the director of photography. He was 465 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: the director of photographer. This is the guy who operates 466 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: the camera. This is the guy who shoots the movie. 467 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: Very very important. I mean, he and the director are 468 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: in control of a lot of what happens on a 469 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: movie set. And so anyway, I end up getting on 470 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: the shuttle and there was probably just like a fifteen 471 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: minute or twenty minute ride back to the parking area, 472 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: and so I just so happened to sit down next 473 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: to him, which I think is fantastic because you know, 474 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: I started studying filmmaking when I was a kid, and 475 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, I I learned how to develop motion picture 476 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: footage and all that, and I said, hey, it's great 477 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: to be able to meet you. Uh, how did you 478 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: get into you know, the business so to speak? Right, 479 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: super nice guy and he tells me, says, well, you 480 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: know I was living in Texas and uh, he said this. 481 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: You know, this guy I knew came up with this 482 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: idea for this horror movie called the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, 483 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: and he asked me if I would film it, and 484 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: I was like what, yeah, Okay. I end up sitting 485 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: next to Daniel Pearl, who is the guy who shot 486 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: the Texas Chainsaw Massacre for Toby Hooper. All right, I 487 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: can't to this day, I can't believe this. So I 488 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where like, if you're into 489 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, you should have been a fly 490 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: on the wall, because I had fifteen minutes to just 491 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: pick this guy's brain about what that was like. And 492 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: I won't get into it right now. Maybe Halloween time 493 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 1: I'll get back into it, but I'm telling you, like 494 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: he went on, Okay, Daniel Pearl, he he filmed others, 495 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: he filmed one of the Friday Thirteenth movies. Um, he filmed, 496 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: Uh let's see, oh yeah, he filmed. Like, well, some 497 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: of you will will not be impressed by this. He 498 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: filmed the video for I Do Anything for Love, but 499 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: I won't do that, uh one of the aliens like 500 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: Alien Versus Predator movies. So I got to sit here, 501 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: like just talk to this guy and have an intelligent 502 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: conversation with this guy. And I was thinking about the 503 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: synchronicity that I experienced around that, and then I said 504 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: to Lauren, I said, you know, it's kind of been 505 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: like that my whole life. And I've once in a 506 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: while I asked everybody to leave positive reviews for this 507 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: podcast if you like it. But sometimes I read a 508 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: negative review and they say, like, all this guy does 509 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: is talk about himself. Well, I mean, I guess that's 510 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of true, because all I have is myself to 511 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: give context to the things that I'm interested in. I 512 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: guess what they mean by that is I'm not interviewing 513 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: people constantly, but people who are interviewed constantly are interviewed constantly. 514 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: You can go any all over the place in fine interviews. 515 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to like process some of my own experiences 516 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: and and share them with you and just tell you 517 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: what I know for a fact, because that's the only 518 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: way you do know something for effect you experienced it. 519 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: But it's so weird. It's like when I was a teenager, 520 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: I I it was eighteen, I created an Ashville historic 521 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: tour in North Carolina, and I was standing outside of 522 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: the Renaissance, which was the hotel we ran it out of, 523 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: and I look over and here is Everett McGill, the 524 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: guy who played the werewolf in the old Silver Bullet movie, 525 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, like the Stephen King's Silver Bullet movie that 526 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: had Corey Ham in it. I mean, like he and 527 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: and then that's now talk about a scary looking man 528 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: to see in person. He's a tall drink of water 529 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't he was in town filming 530 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: a movie. Uh. And I started going down the list 531 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: of like run ins I've had with horror movie people, 532 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: and I guess it's not that weird because of the 533 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: work that I do. I mean, like I've been at 534 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: on TV sets and like I met Whitley Streeber on 535 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: a on a TV set, and uh, he he always 536 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: seemed very kind of like he's real nice, but very uncomfortable, 537 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: kind of like talking about some of his experiences. I 538 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: met Chris Lutz, who was um one of the kids 539 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: who was in the Amityville horror story, like the real story. 540 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's like his dad George Lutz. Actually that 541 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: was a stepdad. His stepdad George Lutz and and and 542 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: his mother, Cathew Lutz. They bought the house and Chris 543 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: Lutz lived there with them while the whole Amityville thing 544 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: went on. I met him at a conference. I got 545 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: to meet Clive Barker at an event and he signed 546 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: some stuff for me. And now he made some creepy stuff. 547 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: I was. I was doing, um paranormal Papa Rozzi, and uh, 548 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: one day they go, hey, this guy, he's a friend 549 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: of ours. He wants to stop in and say hi, 550 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: And um, it is Carl Gottlieb who wrote Jaws. You know. 551 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: He and Peter Benchley wrote the screenplay for Jaws. And 552 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: and of course we're asking him, like, well, who wrote 553 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: that line We're gonna need a bigger boat? And he 554 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: laughed and he goes, we didn't races, Peter didn't write 555 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: at night and write is I think that? Um? Was it? 556 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: Roy Schneider, I guess his name is? He says, I 557 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: think he just came up with that off the cuff, 558 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: Roy Schinder anyway, Um, and then you know, I got 559 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: to meet Dan ackroyd On on a movie set and 560 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: Aidan quinn Um. You know he's he was in a 561 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: great movie called Haunted. I got to work with him. 562 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: When I was a kid. I went into an airport. 563 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: I was like twelve years old. I was in Maine 564 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: and I walked in and there was Dean Stockwell from 565 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: Quantum Leap. He was in the bathroom, standing next to 566 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: me at the urinal and uh, if you ever meet 567 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: me in rive and I'll tell you an even funnier 568 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: version of that story. But you know he was I 569 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: think in the Dunwich Horror or something. And then you know, 570 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: I just I could go on and on. I've had 571 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: these interesting run ins with with horror movie people, and 572 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff. But anyway, I think that's 573 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: just kind of again. You can look at it from 574 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: my point of view and say, uh, well, that's amazing. 575 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, like, wellde you know you 576 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: you run around in these show biss circles, You're gonna 577 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: meet some of these people. I met Eileen Deats from 578 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: The Exorcist. Um. But that Ashley Green moment, when that 579 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: when that card came out of that box like that 580 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: does not what I just said does not apply to that. 581 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: You see how profound that is, how amazing that is. 582 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: There are things that happened. There are real things that 583 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: happened that give you a glimpse into reality and what's 584 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: what's what's going on behind the scenes. When we come 585 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: back from this break, I have to read this message 586 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: to you that I received, And this is from somebody 587 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: that I know very very well, and so I'm vouching 588 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: for this and I know it's true. And he's an 589 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: older man and he so he sat down and instead 590 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: of typing it, he took out a pin and he 591 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: wrote this story for you about something that changed his life. 592 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: And I think when you hear this, some of you 593 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 1: might be able to relate to this kind of thing. 594 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but it honestly it opened his eyes. 595 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua Pete Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 596 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal 597 00:37:46,840 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: podcast network. I'll be right back. Welcome back to the 598 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the 599 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast. I am paranormal 600 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And 601 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: this story was told to me, face to face, eye 602 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: t I by a man that I know very well 603 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: and North Carolina, and I asked him to write it 604 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: down so that I could share it with you. And 605 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: it's so personal that he doesn't want to give his name. 606 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: But like I say, I vouched for this man's story 607 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: because I know him that well. He wrote and I'm 608 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: reading his actual handwriting here. A few years back, I 609 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: was brought to my senses while outside walking down my driveway. 610 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: I was suddenly caught off guard. My neighbor, also an 611 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: old man like me, was constantly complaining and looking for 612 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: a handout, and he said he was unable to do anything. 613 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: But yet almost every day he would walk nearly a 614 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: mile to the store to buy a pack of cigarettes 615 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: and then back home. And some days he would do 616 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,959 Speaker 1: this three times a day. And this kept running through 617 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,479 Speaker 1: my mind. Things weren't going too well for me either. 618 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: I was constantly working trying to make ends meet. I 619 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: make odds and ends for money, but things were slow. 620 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: I could barely pay the bills, and my head was 621 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: boiling with all of the stress of my own problems 622 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: and suddenly I heard an audible, clear, loud voice, and 623 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: it said, do not judge people. A few seconds later, 624 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: it said, I have plans for you. No one was 625 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: there except me, and I was so scared that I 626 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: dropped the water hose. I was weak and trembling all over, 627 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: and I immediately went inside the basement and shut the door. 628 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: And then I started sobbing and crying like a baby. 629 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: Who was this voice? Was it the Lord or the Devil? 630 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: I reasoned in my mind that it must be the Lord, 631 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: because the devil wouldn't say that. A few minutes later, 632 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: my wife drove up, and remembering the water hose, I 633 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: went to get it out of the driveway and I 634 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: was still bawling my eyes out, and my wife was 635 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: scared to death and jumped out of the car, screaming, 636 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: what's the matter, what's the matter? She was terrified and 637 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: white as a ghost. And I asked her to come 638 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: to the basement, and then I shut the door and 639 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: I told her what had happened. Page two. Tears were 640 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: in her eyes as she comforted me. That was a 641 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: really wonderful thing, she said, and she believed everything that 642 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: I told her. She is a wonderful woman and the 643 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: only one I ever told about this until recently. Since then, 644 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: I spent nearly two weeks in the hospital from a 645 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: car wreck. Last year, I had a heart attack and 646 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: spent another two weeks in the hospital. I've been cut 647 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: from my throat to my navel, but today I'm feeling fine. 648 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: This has definitely made a believer out of me. I 649 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: no longer judge anyone. If I have any bad thoughts 650 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: about someone, I just keep my mouth shut. Many people 651 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: have had these experiences, and I am thankful to be 652 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: one of them. Signed the Witness, and he also includes 653 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: Matthew Chapter seven, Verse one, judge not that ye be 654 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: not judged. So uh does that ring for any of you? 655 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: He told me he had never heard an audible voice 656 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: like that in his life regarding anything. Thank you so 657 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: much for sharing that story, and I guarantee you there 658 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: there's somebody out there who needs to hear that right now. 659 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: Next email, this came from a man named Michael. I 660 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: have all his email address and name, but I'll just 661 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: give his name Michael, because he talks about some stuff 662 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: that's a little bit personal. But he says the bad buster. 663 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: The bad Buster is amazing. What he's talking about is 664 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: if you go to my curiosity shop at Joshua P. 665 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: Warren dot com, there's a device that is occasionally in 666 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 1: stock called the psionic D Materializer, known as the bad Buster, 667 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: and he says, well, sir, that psionic D materializer is 668 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: something else. I get results every single time, no matter 669 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: what bad I think, I want to get rid of it, 670 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: somehow always works. I have learned to you, I'm I've 671 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: learned from you that I need to be open to 672 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: the universe to receive what transpires, may not and usually 673 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: is not what I necessarily want, but what the universe 674 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: gives me. And it turns out it's always exactly what 675 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: I needed to be, whether it's money or spontaneous feelings 676 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: of joy and love. And I have felt joy at 677 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: least once a day for about a year now, and 678 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: that is very new and unexpected for me. I have 679 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:12,479 Speaker 1: had relationships completely transformed through that powerful, magical thing. He says. 680 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: I've broken two of them because a kid, you not. 681 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: The energy produced from a bad Buster is so intense. 682 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,720 Speaker 1: I knocked it over without even touching it one time. 683 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: Says this last time, I was going to buy another 684 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: bit decided to glue it together instead to see what happens. 685 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what happened. A seventy thousand plus 686 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 1: dollar I R S debt is now all but gone. 687 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Let me repeat that. He said, 688 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: A seventy thousand dollar plus I R S debt is 689 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: now all but gone and I am a happy camper. 690 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: Another interesting thing, My partner and I are devoted to 691 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: your podcast, and that we are anticipating your your show 692 00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: and George Lori's Gaya show every Wednesday and Friday. He says. Uh. Anyway, 693 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,760 Speaker 1: he goes on and say, my life during the past 694 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: five years has become magical and it is due in 695 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: very large part because I take the heart and practice 696 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: the things you suggest on your show. How do you 697 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: say thank you to that? Well, thank you, Joshua, I'm sorry, 698 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: Please forgive me. I love you. I am so very 699 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: grateful to have you in my life. And he says, 700 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,919 Speaker 1: I used the force every day because I have nerve 701 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: damage in my hands and find motor skills. And he says, uh, 702 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: every day I ask for I see gratitude and love, 703 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: and I asked the universe to help me use my hands, 704 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: say Hello to Lauren for me and have a wonder 705 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: filled day. Isn't that nice? You see why I make 706 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 1: this stuff because I get messages like that from people 707 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: who say that, congratulations Michael, and just keep it up. 708 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: You keep it up, my friend, and spread the word 709 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: and tell everybody. Okay, here's a message from a woman 710 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: named Diane, and she wants to talk about one of 711 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: my previous podcast where I let's see, I did one 712 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: called what do the Aliens Really Want? And she says, Hi, Joshua, 713 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm a new listener to your podcast and I just 714 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: finished the What do the Aliens Really Want? Episode? I 715 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: probably fall into the open minded skeptic category of believers, 716 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: though more open minded than skeptic. I trust my intuition 717 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: and clear sentience when considering and researching paranormal phenomenon and 718 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: just big life questions in general. And I want to believe, 719 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: but my ana little analytical mind keeps me grounded. She says. 720 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: My reason for writing to you today is to thank you. 721 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 1: To thank you for comparing the treatment of animals by 722 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: humans to how aliens may be treating humans for their 723 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: own benefit, and specifically for including the consumption of animals 724 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: in that list. The treatment of animals is one of 725 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: humanity's deepest flaws and one that makes me ashamed to 726 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: be a human, along with an inexhaustive list of others. 727 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: But I believe we have finally turned a bright corner 728 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: in that awareness, and bringing this point of view to 729 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: your listeners has also planted a seed in their consciousness 730 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: that we can only hope will one day take root. 731 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: Peace Diane, Well, thank you, Diane. I'm glad that you 732 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: see the value in that. And look, I can't help 733 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: but agree that there is something gross and barbaric about 734 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: eating animals. But I gotta confess with you. I've said 735 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: this before. If I die and God it is a chicken, 736 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm in big trouble because I ate a lot of chicken. 737 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: Um and And something else that has also crossed my 738 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: mind is that I used to do tests all the 739 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: time on plants where I would hook them up to 740 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: different types of sensors and I would cut them or 741 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: burn them and they would respond with these huge electrical signals. 742 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that plants don't feel things just 743 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,240 Speaker 1: like animals do. I kind of believe the whole world 744 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: is a conscious place, So what are we supposed to eat. 745 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I definitely think that what you're 746 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: what you're saying here is that we can do a 747 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: better job of being more responsible and kind and sympathetic 748 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: and empathetic. And I hope everybody takes that the heart. 749 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: Thank you, Diane, And now let's see if we can 750 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 1: give everybody some good fortune over the next week. Huh. 751 00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: Here it is the good fortune tone. That's it for 752 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: this edition of the show. 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