Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke. Oh my god, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be back, and it's going to be back home. My brother.
Speaker 1: We got someone we've been trying to track that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be our original guests. Y'all don't even know
Speaker 1: that dude's supposed to be number one, but we got
Speaker 1: him back. My other my year later, Welcome my man,
Speaker 1: I got done. What's up? Guy? What what are you
Speaker 1: formerly going by these days? How do you want the
Speaker 1: we can address you a certain by, how you want
Speaker 1: the public to address you? It's metal Sanda for artests.
Speaker 1: I took my wife's last name and my last name back,
Speaker 1: put it together, so I got married. She's Sanda for
Speaker 1: and then the art. Okay, so she's Maya Sanda for artest.
Speaker 1: I'm Medicanda for artests. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But Middle World peace? You know we um you know
Speaker 1: I still go by that. Whatever transpired? What made you
Speaker 1: want to change your name originally from from run or
Speaker 1: test too? There's a lot of things, right, It's just
Speaker 1: like where I was at in my career. You know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite where I wanted to be at as
Speaker 1: a bowler, you know, and then on a lot of
Speaker 1: different levels. So and when things are getting in the
Speaker 1: way of basketball, is like, that's what I want most
Speaker 1: in anything. So I'm trying. I just want to win
Speaker 1: a game. That's it at that point. So just like
Speaker 1: trying to be a little bit different. You know, I
Speaker 1: really like the sport. So I wanted to be who
Speaker 1: I wanted to be rather than what somebody else thought
Speaker 1: I was. That's it. That's it. So currently living in
Speaker 1: l A, kids in college, married, How is life, man?
Speaker 1: You see your your energy. I've been seeing you a
Speaker 1: lot on Instagram, happy posting, just enjoying life. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just happy man. My kids in college. My son's roun
Speaker 1: I Test is UH basketball scholarship that you see Irvine.
Speaker 1: He's a computer science Mason, which I'm very proud of him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, anything you want to do, just joy, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, saying, don't be worrying. He can
Speaker 1: shoot lights out, can't leave him over so or whatever.
Speaker 1: Ronald Test is pursuing business and UH north Ridge season
Speaker 1: and basketball scholarship. My daughter is in college, um, studying,
Speaker 1: and my other daughters about to go to college. My
Speaker 1: wife is graduated and pursuing acting and modeling. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's it. Everything, Everything is good.
Speaker 1: You went back to school and tell us about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went back to school, man, because I had to
Speaker 1: learn s c USC. I went to u U c
Speaker 1: l A for digital analytics and and on social media
Speaker 1: and encoding, and then I went to you see, um,
Speaker 1: I went to Concordia Irvine for business analytics, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And just and then I was im coove.
Speaker 1: I took Google Analytics, a two week course of Google
Speaker 1: Analytics because I'm like, as an athlete, we want to
Speaker 1: you know, sell much advice and do different things. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I want to really get in, I
Speaker 1: had to learns. We're on too smart for his on
Speaker 1: damn good. I always tell me that everybody the yo. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I suppose I was a little bit more positive to
Speaker 1: oout my career and I'm really lucky to have friends
Speaker 1: like you. I'm not gonna lie, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Because I work, I ain't had a lot of friends
Speaker 1: because I was always always want to compete. You know,
Speaker 1: that's only want to play hard. I don't even care
Speaker 1: about anything else, you know what I mean. So, but
Speaker 1: you know, it was amazing. You're someone I always, even
Speaker 1: though we're the same age, I looked up to you
Speaker 1: just because of the way you played. You played hard.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. You just play hard on both ends,
Speaker 1: play hard, tough, and that's you know what I tried
Speaker 1: to do. And then I mean running into him. You
Speaker 1: all ran into each other. I mean we're all cut
Speaker 1: from the same type of cloth, so it was it
Speaker 1: was an instant connection. We got to play together. So
Speaker 1: it was dope. Yeah, I didn't know a lot of
Speaker 1: things about you because just like listening to the interviews
Speaker 1: that you're talking a lot, I didn't know a lot
Speaker 1: of things. It's crazy you don't know what your your
Speaker 1: teammates are going to. Lamar was going through his stuff, right,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Yo, no matter what you're going through
Speaker 1: as NBA player, That's why I love the bron so much,
Speaker 1: kind of like, no matter what you're going through, you
Speaker 1: always with your team because it's a different journey as
Speaker 1: an athlete, because the whole Lebron still married, right, Different
Speaker 1: things like that everything right. Yeah, these younger ones inspired me.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. They inspired me a lot. We
Speaker 1: learned on the flight. I think they learned a lot
Speaker 1: from us because you think about it now, like the
Speaker 1: business of basketball wasn't around when we came into the league.
Speaker 1: It was about jewelry, cars, about women. But now they're
Speaker 1: talking about you. Now they're talking about like business and
Speaker 1: investing right from the jump. And that was kind of
Speaker 1: the turn of our error to these younger kids, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you always learned, but it
Speaker 1: was hard, not for us because it went from like
Speaker 1: a drug league to like getting clean to getting a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And none of us ever had no money,
Speaker 1: so they didn't different trickster, tricky trick man. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: tripped in, we tripped in, Oh my goodness, actually a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of knights. That was definitely the lifestyle. That
Speaker 1: was like, right, that's what it was. Someone was now
Speaker 1: to do it. If you wasn't gonna do it, someone
Speaker 1: else will. I don't miss it. Nowadays they got they
Speaker 1: go to the club. They got one homeboard with money
Speaker 1: and it's about eight of them that's around him. That's
Speaker 1: just trying to get what they can. But when we
Speaker 1: was in the club, it's ten to twelve millionaires, all
Speaker 1: from the ghetto, all having a good time. I'll remember
Speaker 1: how we used to be when we played in the
Speaker 1: bad when we was the Warriors. It would be funny
Speaker 1: because the football dudes would get there first and try
Speaker 1: to get all the women in the club to be
Speaker 1: in their area. When I promised you we walk in,
Speaker 1: walk in smoking, getting our second and how does it go? Everyone,
Speaker 1: even some of them come to our section like that
Speaker 1: used to be. Yeah, it used to be wild, bro,
Speaker 1: I love your squad. Yeah, that was what I used
Speaker 1: to come with our teams. Well, I came in the
Speaker 1: locker room. He was everywhere with us. What do we
Speaker 1: believe to y'all? Was just doing amazing stuff, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like I gotta be that to the game.
Speaker 1: Came to the locker room all. Can you imagine we
Speaker 1: would have had him to guard like the boozers and
Speaker 1: the mill Sack. We would have would have we could
Speaker 1: have went to the finals. We could have went to
Speaker 1: the finals. We would have wanted. Yeah, I was still
Speaker 1: pretty good at that time. Crazy that you were still kidding?
Speaker 1: He was like at that time, right, yeah. I was
Speaker 1: only something. Yeah, and I too. I came back from
Speaker 1: the bro and I got traded to Sack. I was
Speaker 1: to seventy three. I told Rick Adam and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can play or contribute right now.
Speaker 1: I said, maybe let me get in shape. Man, How
Speaker 1: good of a coach was he? Did you like Rick?
Speaker 1: I liked Rick? I love Rick. Good dude, good dude.
Speaker 1: When when you hear the word queensred, what's the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind? Man? I hate Queen's red.
Speaker 1: A lot of things, man, just like good bad. You know,
Speaker 1: like you know Nas Mob Deep um capone because that's
Speaker 1: like queens were rapping music, mc shan Tragedy, Roxane shwante
Speaker 1: uh co Omega. That's a big bring. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Nature. You know, it's like really amazing. I
Speaker 1: got stories with everybody, so it's it's really crazy. As
Speaker 1: a kid, you're a fan, this is unbelievable. You know.
Speaker 1: You see Nas walked there, you see co Omega. You said,
Speaker 1: Hi the mom Deep, she doesn't believe what I'm like,
Speaker 1: How did y'all do this? This is crazy? So I
Speaker 1: have so much. I had so much. I see inspiration
Speaker 1: every day. That's that's that's music too. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm a huge fan. That's why I playing of music.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of the music part the queens
Speaker 1: Bridge and you know, and that's why I wrap people
Speaker 1: like why why you're at come yes to ask questions
Speaker 1: where you come from? I want to be like that,
Speaker 1: right And then I'm like my family was selling crack,
Speaker 1: you know, in the same flow it having you still
Speaker 1: live like you have it come up? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, you know, it's plenty of times people
Speaker 1: in the crib po folk coming don't say nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So a lot of ships
Speaker 1: like that. I was gonna, I was gonna flust the
Speaker 1: drugs down the toile. At one time my cousin said
Speaker 1: you better not. Yeah, so I was like, she's crazy.
Speaker 1: Right now. It was a lot of ship like that.
Speaker 1: You know, my older brother with a jail ten years
Speaker 1: drug trafficking right when I was going to college. She
Speaker 1: was super small. He got a company called leafy On
Speaker 1: Logistics right now ten years. But he's a brainiact. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's crazy. You know. My other son's computer
Speaker 1: science developed you know what I'm saying, Like, so, I
Speaker 1: mean he was smart, but moving drugs on the ground bus,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Ten years, no no negotiations,
Speaker 1: he was you know what I mean. So that was
Speaker 1: that was I was. We knew he was going somewhere,
Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna be my brother with
Speaker 1: me smart and yeah, and when he went to jails,
Speaker 1: had a latch on other people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But then my people was like, I really feel like
Speaker 1: we had a great time. We got a great fun time.
Speaker 1: What did all that teach you? Like? How did what
Speaker 1: did it shape you? What did it when when you
Speaker 1: started going to these other cities you're a cream bridge
Speaker 1: and then you start you need your basketball talent starts
Speaker 1: taking off and you start traveling in the world. Like,
Speaker 1: what did Queen's Bridge teach you to be ready to
Speaker 1: take on the rest of the world? You know what?
Speaker 1: It took always all other people, because like right before
Speaker 1: I was going to um high school, I was going
Speaker 1: to my brother's school. My brother had beef. I looked
Speaker 1: like my brother. I'm just saying ahead at that time
Speaker 1: I go to school, didn't run up on me. Latinos.
Speaker 1: So I'm I mean, I'm hitting you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Running to the principal's office. I'm like, oh wow, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. You know what I'm saying. Yo, They said
Speaker 1: when you're probably gonna suck you up, right. So I
Speaker 1: stayed at school to like five pm. I ain't leave,
Speaker 1: got out of there home, told my parents woul happened.
Speaker 1: I don't wanna call my parents because my dad had
Speaker 1: come up there. My dad I seen him do it
Speaker 1: to drug deal us. Dad, Please don't do that to him.
Speaker 1: But he's dangerous, you know what I'm saying. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So like I got out of there,
Speaker 1: I'm like shot Plain Bald and Riverside Church, Buckley. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he's got me up Jesse. And it gave
Speaker 1: me a scholarship to a sham g with Thesal Academy
Speaker 1: or four years. I ain't had nothing. So that's what happened.
Speaker 1: You know. That's Queensbridge, you know, like they talking about
Speaker 1: talking a bit about the church team though the Riverside
Speaker 1: Church team was dope. Lamara old him when did you
Speaker 1: meet Loo? I met l he was eleven years old.
Speaker 1: I met him in d S Parking Woods where Davis
Speaker 1: crew is from his people's just from and that's and
Speaker 1: then we had like, right, Haines Johnson, Right, heine Johnson
Speaker 1: was the beast you know at that time. Lamar was
Speaker 1: on right Heinees Johnson team today, Right, Henees Johnson was
Speaker 1: better than us. Yeah you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: Lamar was probabm Lamar probably say the same thing. Ye,
Speaker 1: Johnson's better. Heine Johnson shape cotting it. That's that level.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we all know about that, right right he
Speaker 1: You know it was in and out a guy you
Speaker 1: know Morrison who Kevin Marris played with. Shoot he was
Speaker 1: a one year older he was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. We had a hell of attended Jesse Reggie
Speaker 1: Jesse had a mob. You know about McDonald's game. You
Speaker 1: know about but you had a mob. But the church.
Speaker 1: I always tell people Elton brand All the same team
Speaker 1: that was real. I didn't. I didn't like, man, what
Speaker 1: is this? Come on? Man? Man? We out of here.
Speaker 1: That was beat jump. He was being about fifty sixty
Speaker 1: and champions every every time anybody beat y'all just Baron
Speaker 1: David's team. It was what was beat the team, Jaren Collins,
Speaker 1: They beat us about twenty They smacked y'all. But we
Speaker 1: beat him in the championship game. Okay, you got him
Speaker 1: back the same tournament, the same tournament. That's crazy. But
Speaker 1: Baron Davis got a different story. That's my brother. Let
Speaker 1: him tell us that we have a lot. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: mentioned music and how that instrumental that was in your life.
Speaker 1: Who was the Hoopers you look up to from your area?
Speaker 1: Man oh Man from my area. Verned Funding played paper
Speaker 1: in the places of the Paces, Burned Funding from the
Speaker 1: hood here here Olympian Chris Miller from the hood. My
Speaker 1: my cousin, who was He went out in jail for
Speaker 1: a lot of drugs. We had a baby with assistance
Speaker 1: with his sister. That's my Then I'll played for Verne
Speaker 1: with Indiana Paces. Oh my fucking goodness, that's my Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's this is unreal on some other ship, so wow.
Speaker 1: And then Sean Green played for the Indiana Paces. He
Speaker 1: had bounced from nas Block. This is a different ship
Speaker 1: that people don't really know. And Ronnie Williams from All
Speaker 1: Deep Block had to try out with the Celtics. And
Speaker 1: then we had Mel Kennedy played with Rick carl out
Speaker 1: at Virginia. Mel was nice. That's what call out about
Speaker 1: dye from my hood. We got more. I got more to,
Speaker 1: I got I got more, YA got more to. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you got balls, but this is crazy. At this
Speaker 1: point I got so much inspiration Verman Fleming and nas
Speaker 1: this is crazy right as a kid, um man, and
Speaker 1: then you told them from that level, then we had
Speaker 1: some balls, like Mike chad Field. Mike chad Field passed
Speaker 1: away in a drug deal. Was nice as my man.
Speaker 1: He only he beat me thirty two two one time,
Speaker 1: right or a nice and got hard. He's in the
Speaker 1: street store and I was. He was the best, and
Speaker 1: then he went to jail, and then I came. I
Speaker 1: was the best after that. And Michaels in jail for
Speaker 1: three years, came home when the eight teams still nice
Speaker 1: but couldn't go on the right track. It's my dude,
Speaker 1: but I winded up playing with his brother in high
Speaker 1: school for four years. But I average twenty five is
Speaker 1: brother average a chat Field. But all that, with everything,
Speaker 1: all I mean, everyone knows what queens is about. What
Speaker 1: kept you as straight as you possibly could be considering
Speaker 1: the circumstances. It was crazy on this weaving and out.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because you know, I'm I
Speaker 1: was always a good kid, right, but it's so much
Speaker 1: crazies you're going around. You can be influenced by anything
Speaker 1: at any point in time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Playing ball shots is going you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, and it becomes normal. So you know, when
Speaker 1: the different type of people you interact with, it's how
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel you should act, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And that's where you know. But sometimes like when I
Speaker 1: got older, I used to do math, uh problems. I
Speaker 1: used to buy math workbooks just down problems because I
Speaker 1: longer what like I'm says, because it's like y'all the
Speaker 1: is gonna do right now? I just try to stay focused.
Speaker 1: So it's different things like that I met my my
Speaker 1: first wife. I met her when I was fifteen on
Speaker 1: Moll Deep Block. Just just give your perspective and everything
Speaker 1: not to keep you not to keep name dropping. Um.
Speaker 1: I met her like in May and then I didn't
Speaker 1: see it again to the next main same block, and
Speaker 1: that's when we got together. Yeah, a lot of ships.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it the whole time, and then
Speaker 1: a lot of ship happened at that point. I wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking about girls, just only basketball, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you have a baby, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: have three amazing, amazing kids. You know. Throughout that time
Speaker 1: it was crazy because like I got really wild that time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So um, but now it
Speaker 1: was different things that I would do as a parent,
Speaker 1: different things I would do. Me a real book to this.
Speaker 1: While it's not being home, not taking your kids to
Speaker 1: the park all the time, half time for your kids, joke,
Speaker 1: their wife want to go to the mall, Go to
Speaker 1: the mall, put something together. Like it's the little things
Speaker 1: you can do because you're going out anyway, party and
Speaker 1: you're working anyway in the fucking club hard. You were working,
Speaker 1: taking your family to morow you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and still have a good time. By the way, figure
Speaker 1: that one out. That's how you could try, and sad
Speaker 1: Jack can help you, Matt help. I think I've accomplished that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can, you can help. I've tried, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You land at St. John's, Mike Jarvis two
Speaker 1: years there, What was that experience like for you? My Javis?
Speaker 1: You know, Mike Javis. He's a great guy man. So
Speaker 1: like when Fran left, I didn't want Fran for Schiller
Speaker 1: to leave. But I'm just training. I'm not thinking about
Speaker 1: the business of college. You know, it's I'll just let
Speaker 1: me practicing hall. One day Fran gets fired. Why the
Speaker 1: guy who got me in shape, the guy who who
Speaker 1: almost killed us in practice, like pushing us. He's fucking crazy,
Speaker 1: this guy. And people thought that he would do wild ship.
Speaker 1: He would do wild shout. Let him tell his story,
Speaker 1: France everywhere, talk to friend. Y'all should have him all
Speaker 1: the smoke. It's my guy. But he was wild. But
Speaker 1: I love him cause he pushed us to the limit
Speaker 1: and we was getting muscle. But oh, this is crazy here.
Speaker 1: I love the place of ball he was. Oh he
Speaker 1: was really you know, he's a passionate guy. But he left.
Speaker 1: Drivers came like an NBA coach more. You know, we
Speaker 1: were still balling. We were still balling. Actually, you know
Speaker 1: it was crazy that yeah, because the tyrone Gregg was
Speaker 1: a senior. He broke his wrist. We thought we was
Speaker 1: gonna win it all that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he was still nice, but I thought a friend
Speaker 1: started that. You see what I'm saying. I thought a
Speaker 1: friends because of the same thing, but my jobs did
Speaker 1: that value because he's I'm more of a family guy,
Speaker 1: like going to your house, his wife cooked suit when
Speaker 1: you're sick. You know what I'm saying, Like family more
Speaker 1: than the coach, and he did it all. I thought
Speaker 1: he was an NBA coach. I'm like, I think he's
Speaker 1: more suited for the NBA. I didn't think, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so, But that's how it was two years there.
Speaker 1: I still remember your press conference. You said something like
Speaker 1: y'all gotta go get this money or something like that.
Speaker 1: When you what do you say while I was in college, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your press commences and now she was going to Yes,
Speaker 1: he said I gotta go this money. I remember that shot.
Speaker 1: I remember watching it on TV. I don't remember the
Speaker 1: exact words, but it was some ill like I gotta
Speaker 1: go get this money or something like that. What did
Speaker 1: you think, Yeah, because I was like I had a
Speaker 1: baby at this point, you know, and I said I
Speaker 1: needed money. I got to diapers and I want to
Speaker 1: move and it was stuff like I said, I just NBA,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to try to win a title. We
Speaker 1: lost the Ohio State. Michael Red killed us. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: killed us. They killed us. They were so nice, but
Speaker 1: they deserved it. We lost by two points to go
Speaker 1: to find the Force. So you guys know that would
Speaker 1: have been an amazing experience. Yo. What was the furtherest
Speaker 1: drop into in college? Well, you didn't go. We went
Speaker 1: to the Lead eight. Same thing the college I signed
Speaker 1: with my rookie my pressure year. They won the national
Speaker 1: championship my freshman year that was supposed to be to
Speaker 1: our class won that's championship. Wow, but you but you
Speaker 1: went overseas. Uh yeah, that's amazing. So coming from New York,
Speaker 1: was it a dream of yours to play for the
Speaker 1: Knicks or you just wanted to play basketball, didn't matter where. Man,
Speaker 1: so many things. I wanted to be a Nick And
Speaker 1: I'm always that's I'm happy for all the smoke because
Speaker 1: I get to talk about it, you know, sometimes I
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, like like the Knicks, man
Speaker 1: um because they passed like they picked someone else. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they picked this guy whatever. I didn't care. Even if
Speaker 1: he was better than me, I didn't care. But I'm
Speaker 1: like the pick. And I was telling my agent, I
Speaker 1: want to go to the Knicks, tell he's off the team.
Speaker 1: Please don't funk with me, you know, But I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I don't know how to express that,
Speaker 1: but but this is what happened to Nick. I was
Speaker 1: going there, gonna tell you exactly. I fund out, I
Speaker 1: suck it up. So by this time, I'm partying hard,
Speaker 1: I know. But they get running to some cash tramping,
Speaker 1: so I'm out. I got funked up at Flamingos. I
Speaker 1: was at Flamingos, I got twisted. Go back to the hotel.
Speaker 1: So I'm drunk, and I like, I can't make it
Speaker 1: to I can't make it to the to the practice shows,
Speaker 1: to the triumph, to the workout, to the workout, to
Speaker 1: the next workout, workouts trip, I tell you to dude show,
Speaker 1: I can't make it, Like, can I please come next time?
Speaker 1: Can you just have me back? What happened? Had that happened? Right?
Speaker 1: So so I'm like in my mind, I'm thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: going so don't matter what I do, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the next right, this is me, right, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the next here. Then I went to the next you know,
Speaker 1: sixteenth pick. I was in Chicago, bull But the next
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I always pitched myself in the
Speaker 1: New Jersey picked the next five years old. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They had the fifteen also right before
Speaker 1: the nixt pick, and yeah, they didn't pick you. The
Speaker 1: Bulls pick you next. The Bulls picked me next, which
Speaker 1: I was happy on. Michael Jordan is you know what
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's like, well, I just compete, you know,
Speaker 1: New York and Chicago. Chicago's amazing experience, a major experience,
Speaker 1: you know. So I had to nick shorts under my
Speaker 1: and the shirt from real. Yes, already already take off.
Speaker 1: He was ready to go, Hey, when's tip off? You
Speaker 1: just could you imagine we would have got the ripping
Speaker 1: ship off though already Yes, I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like after you saying I can't make the workout, it
Speaker 1: was it was still from here, what it is? What
Speaker 1: you gonna do? We wow? Right, but we're trying on
Speaker 1: the title. You figure out how to put the team together.
Speaker 1: To hey, that would have been big though, because that
Speaker 1: they for some reason they always miss on draft picks.
Speaker 1: Imagine someone from there at that time at twenty three,
Speaker 1: I thought we would have been play off contenders and
Speaker 1: New York who was on that team at the time.
Speaker 1: He recalled that was with nine that nine, that's your
Speaker 1: rookie year ninety nine n nine. But I still respect
Speaker 1: to play. They may run for the finals around that time,
Speaker 1: right they did. I thought I could have backed up
Speaker 1: Spreewell and yeah the season season, just play some defense.
Speaker 1: The game, I'm imagine run coming off the bench, get
Speaker 1: something games. But it is that. But it's also like
Speaker 1: I don't want to down the next. I love the next.
Speaker 1: Like I know, people talk about doing whatever the case.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a nick fan, so I'm like, I'm a fan,
Speaker 1: like a real fan, so I want to see him
Speaker 1: do well. You're always even the years I wasn't thinking.
Speaker 1: I was always like the wood if if this motherfucker
Speaker 1: didn't get drunken from me and goes, he could have
Speaker 1: been in the believable. That's classic. So Chicago Bulls, like
Speaker 1: you said rich in history, Michael Jordan, Pip, you guys
Speaker 1: got a good young team. There. Eb is there too, right?
Speaker 1: Is Elton there? Elton is there? Right? Because also, yeah
Speaker 1: we got he got the first pick, Lamar went four
Speaker 1: and I was sixteen year Oh my god, I told
Speaker 1: you the team was crazy that's that was an amazing experience.
Speaker 1: That was an amazing experience. I heard a story about
Speaker 1: you being drafted and playing for the Bulls and then
Speaker 1: going having a side job the best body. That was
Speaker 1: real to Sugar City that it was real. It was
Speaker 1: just one of the discounts on the electronics and I
Speaker 1: I was just trying to stay out in trouble. I
Speaker 1: was like having man, I was looking at everybody up
Speaker 1: there with computers and I'm tripping you was looking everybody
Speaker 1: was heard in Chicago to yeah, I got a discounts.
Speaker 1: I got a good discount. Man. I was like, you
Speaker 1: know we go at that time. First, you know, you
Speaker 1: got some money in ninety DVDs so I could buy
Speaker 1: ten DVDs. This is crazy, this is crazy. I could
Speaker 1: buy a fucking a stereo and funk I want right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know like like that, that's like crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I want to TV. I'll give my TV half half
Speaker 1: a half off everything. And then I got two of
Speaker 1: my boys a job. There, Kit and Cedric, my boys.
Speaker 1: Dad was with me today was you know what, got
Speaker 1: a job? This is crazy. Y'all got the house full
Speaker 1: of everything? Yeah? Did the teams say, well, all right,
Speaker 1: So when I applied for the job, I got the paperwork, applied.
Speaker 1: I never had a real job. About like I worked
Speaker 1: at like a Bagger for a week from my at
Speaker 1: my dad's job. I never had no real jobs. Mother's
Speaker 1: final paperwork. Yeah, him. I had the job. And then
Speaker 1: I got out to the media. And then you know
Speaker 1: Terry Cross, my guy Jay Cross, he was just like, listen,
Speaker 1: you cannot even working. That was like working ship. My
Speaker 1: face hurts. So your first taste of basketball, what's NBA? Like,
Speaker 1: who's the first superstar you ran into? The first superstar
Speaker 1: that I ran into? You got the guard? Yeah? Like,
Speaker 1: what was your first introduction to My first game was
Speaker 1: against the next Yeah, I have fifteen points. It's crazy,
Speaker 1: thirteen points at a three point a while it Sprett
Speaker 1: well Hest was going at him. Yeah, I love I
Speaker 1: love those guys, you know what I'm saying. Just like
Speaker 1: everybody talking about Jordans, these guys are amazing. Did you
Speaker 1: take it personal like that they were the next Try
Speaker 1: to compete? I compete at that game I played. I
Speaker 1: tried to do my best. Elton came in the league
Speaker 1: cooking aft. Yes, I have twelve you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Elton was nice, you know, and that was you know,
Speaker 1: that was just amazing, like those guys, and then I
Speaker 1: got a chance to iverson. You know, I can't remember
Speaker 1: the exact numbers, but I always think about, like how
Speaker 1: did I lock it? Do somebody up? That's how I
Speaker 1: be thinking about. I don't know what you think about,
Speaker 1: like when you think about your career, maybe how you
Speaker 1: were shooting, how he was like maybe Lebron's like a
Speaker 1: star Kobe r I pr brother Kobe. He's like a start.
Speaker 1: He's thinking for different lens, you know, to get some gratification.
Speaker 1: So like that, you know, how much did somebody have
Speaker 1: against me? Lebron? He he? Lebron came into the league.
Speaker 1: First game in Indiana. Oh so piss first game Indiana,
Speaker 1: he gave me twenty five. He went to the fans
Speaker 1: and said, this is your best defender. Right. I heard
Speaker 1: this right, I'm furious. I'm I walked the other way.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this kid is great. I got out of
Speaker 1: these kids looking really good. But I'm super fucking passy.
Speaker 1: Disrespect me and I want to walk up to this
Speaker 1: motherfucker and you know he but he bought my ass, right,
Speaker 1: you know, so he you know what I'm saying. First game,
Speaker 1: So that was like, wow, this is crazy, So, um,
Speaker 1: I really I really respect that. That's why to me,
Speaker 1: he's like I have that type experience. Jordan gave us
Speaker 1: forty also, so that was crazy. Jordan comes into the
Speaker 1: gym forty. Oh my goodness, this is a wizard, right
Speaker 1: the Wizards Jordan's and I'm just competing playing hard for you.
Speaker 1: So that was like kind of crazy, man. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that was like, um, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize Stackers that good. You know I'm watching you
Speaker 1: taking you are a team player? Yeah that people know
Speaker 1: you were like, you are definitely team You are a
Speaker 1: team leader. Yea at his best right, So he's he
Speaker 1: going to sacrifice and he's gonna give you what he got.
Speaker 1: I just knew he was gonna get JIMP together. And
Speaker 1: when I left, I'm like, oh, I didn't realize you
Speaker 1: was that good. But me and him was arguing about
Speaker 1: who's going to guard the best players every night? Every night?
Speaker 1: I mean this guy, so he took the pressure from me.
Speaker 1: That's why I was averaging because you got all of
Speaker 1: those guys I'm doing, but the ones that was bigger
Speaker 1: than me. Like I would go out to two guards
Speaker 1: that could move, but the two guards that was twos
Speaker 1: and threes like Paul and all of them. Now you
Speaker 1: go wrong, you got them. I'm getting I'm gonna chase
Speaker 1: Ripper HAMMD. Yeah, I give him a round. I let
Speaker 1: Ryan and Ryan to wrestle him down too. I just
Speaker 1: knew he was going to get a chip. Bro y'all
Speaker 1: had a hell of a team. Man. That year. We
Speaker 1: had a hollow team that Yeah, it was. I still
Speaker 1: loved that year. You know, I still like I haven't
Speaker 1: really like kept in contact with the players. I wish
Speaker 1: I would have done. When I looked back at that,
Speaker 1: it's like, you should just go to lunch, go to
Speaker 1: go out. I know you don't like your player right now.
Speaker 1: You had a little issue practice, but let it go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that type of ship,
Speaker 1: you know, because I know Jamal tensely from you, but
Speaker 1: we came to practice. He was on the same page, y'all.
Speaker 1: Was that was really your closest friend on our team,
Speaker 1: Jamal Jal, Like even when when like you will be
Speaker 1: going at ours with all us, Jamal was the under one,
Speaker 1: the only one that understood you you're a lock away
Speaker 1: from us, but some type of way, you'll be over
Speaker 1: there talking to Jamal, Like Jamal always had a relation
Speaker 1: ship with you, bro, But I think he had a
Speaker 1: relationship like that, his relations with everybody on the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He's a real leader. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: I gave him but actually that's not true. We gave
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't think I gave him
Speaker 1: enough like respect, like do your thing, but that's not true.
Speaker 1: He was team players now, he ran out, he ran
Speaker 1: the team. He was amazing at it. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: he I thought he was really really good, and he
Speaker 1: was getting better and better and better. And then obviously
Speaker 1: Jermaine was a great leader. You know, I always thought
Speaker 1: is great leader. I always thought, like, you know, you
Speaker 1: compete to be the best, but sometimes like if it's
Speaker 1: two really good players on the same team, like emotionally publicly,
Speaker 1: you don't have to you don't have to compete. Right,
Speaker 1: just played the game, but you can still do things
Speaker 1: like come down, take the rebound and run off of play.
Speaker 1: Anytime you want to do what you want right and
Speaker 1: leave all the other stuff out. You could totally to exist,
Speaker 1: you know, you totally co exist. But when when they
Speaker 1: gained the contract a little sense of the contracts, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's where he started, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's when you when you hold the grudge, you
Speaker 1: feel like everything is attacking. All this has happened in
Speaker 1: the year before I come. This happened before you, before
Speaker 1: I get say all this happened the year before I
Speaker 1: come to contracts that used to the conference finals against
Speaker 1: you tried to where it started. All that happened the
Speaker 1: year before I got there. But the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: still a lot of money. Like if the NBA team
Speaker 1: offer you money, like and I see this happened, a
Speaker 1: lot of players, not just me, who'll get mad over
Speaker 1: contract start being disruptive. I've definitely not the first one, right,
Speaker 1: but I would give it. My advice would be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: whatever money you've got somehow, that's when you deserve right, right,
Speaker 1: because it is what it is business. So I didn't
Speaker 1: think about you get what you negotiating and you're still
Speaker 1: making a lot of money, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you can still have. It's still a lot of under
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So um, when I look
Speaker 1: back at it, I wish I would have addressed things
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but we still don't start line
Speaker 1: up me. You. Yeah, we had a great team, jo
Speaker 1: Jeff Foster, Jamal Tens, great team. Then we had everything
Speaker 1: on the bench. Jeff Foster well always he competed well
Speaker 1: against Ben Willass. I felt like Bill Wallace was always great,
Speaker 1: as we know, but Jeff and Ben with the competed.
Speaker 1: They competed. They both played harder, and they had similar games.
Speaker 1: And we just have been with just a little bit
Speaker 1: more athletic, but they had a similar games. Games. So
Speaker 1: you get to you get to in the end of
Speaker 1: what year should I get? You get there? Oh two?
Speaker 1: I got traded in old two O one O two
Speaker 1: in February. Yeah, I got traded in Miami. I was
Speaker 1: doing a lot of wild in Chicago. Jerry Cross has
Speaker 1: enough Indiana just said, all right, real take him. What
Speaker 1: was that experience like being traded? It was tough, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of ups and downs there.
Speaker 1: I love Chicago. You didn't go far. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: at that point then I had, you know, my son
Speaker 1: Jeron came at that time, so I was raising some babies.
Speaker 1: Geron our tests, um and he lived me for a
Speaker 1: year and a half. So I started out you know
Speaker 1: with my first wife, kim Shaw. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and I have you know, four kids total, you know,
Speaker 1: so it was a lot of transition at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, especially somebody that want to be a good parent.
Speaker 1: All right, I love my babies. I'm not tripping. I'm
Speaker 1: happy with all my babies. They live with me, I
Speaker 1: was saying, right now, you know, so we're cool, but
Speaker 1: not having time with your kids is like not good.
Speaker 1: It bothers you. Right. So at the same time doing if,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it as best as I can, like I
Speaker 1: wanted to raise them. So we were together for a
Speaker 1: year and a half with him, you know, and then
Speaker 1: that relationship went seuth. You know, everything most mostly because
Speaker 1: of myself. Right, you know what I'm saying, everything mostly
Speaker 1: because of me. And then um, I tell them, you know,
Speaker 1: I started taking parents in classes in Sacramento. Is trying
Speaker 1: to do things a little bit differently, parenting counseling, marriage counseling,
Speaker 1: and man, you're doing counseling in Indiana. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that. Ship man, they had both us doing
Speaker 1: that doing that Al yeah, I be doing that ship too. Man,
Speaker 1: she was wasting my goddamn time. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was it was cut into my smoking time. I feel
Speaker 1: like it helped me a little. Give me all that, bro,
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question. So please walk
Speaker 1: math through the source A war situation. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy we're talking about that. Yeah. Please, because let
Speaker 1: me tell you what I remember after practice, were in
Speaker 1: the huddle. We had a great practice. When we huh
Speaker 1: down season at started? Damn? Then train the camp still, Yes,
Speaker 1: we are in we had a great practice. Someone, we're
Speaker 1: looking like a championship team early one second, y'all want second, y'all?
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I've just I really think that at
Speaker 1: this time another season finished start. I know we got championship.
Speaker 1: We think about win the championship, but I think I
Speaker 1: need to take some time off to finish my rap album.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what to myself, I'm
Speaker 1: doing myself. I just love the fact that he had
Speaker 1: the boss to say it. I can't even, man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm thinking. You know, I ain't think we
Speaker 1: had season they started yet, so I don't know where
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. So my mind's first year there. This
Speaker 1: is my first year. I'm just getting on the team, right,
Speaker 1: so you know, you know, so I give them to
Speaker 1: the first thing I do down around my locker. You're
Speaker 1: the first thing I do. Let y'all know I'm here, right,
Speaker 1: So he said that. The first thing in my mind
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just meeting him, so I'm not even man,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this motherfucker's a legend, you know what, because
Speaker 1: I see he's serious. Now you take it from there.
Speaker 1: You're taking from there. I'll take you from there because
Speaker 1: like I'm like, Okay, this is my guy. This is
Speaker 1: definitely my guy. This is our locker room. This is
Speaker 1: this is the locker room. This is our team. I
Speaker 1: mean that whole situation with the bloods and crips, you know,
Speaker 1: like I person ships with people that are like, but
Speaker 1: I'm not involved in anything anything. You never have, right,
Speaker 1: which is all good. Anybody everybody has their preference. So
Speaker 1: the source of was my grandma just passed away right
Speaker 1: October at that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, So it's
Speaker 1: crazy at this point, Oh my fucking goodness. Right, So
Speaker 1: I go to the hospital in New York. That's where
Speaker 1: the first place I gone. You didn't show up Lake,
Speaker 1: you showed up late. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: My first place. And then you know, she was out
Speaker 1: of commission. She was out of commission at this point.
Speaker 1: So she held my hand, grabbed my hand as the
Speaker 1: last as the last movement she made. My mom and
Speaker 1: my Auntie said, like you he was gonna crying and stuff,
Speaker 1: And MoMA Auntie said, uh, she was waiting for you. Really,
Speaker 1: you think so cool? Cool? I'm good, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 1: So at least I know I got the last experience,
Speaker 1: you know. Then literally she passed away. There was no
Speaker 1: more gatherings like she was the grandma brilliant, the lunch
Speaker 1: on Sunday and in the hood. My boy Stephone Bonds
Speaker 1: is from. It's like the New Orleans, New York City,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, but he was there
Speaker 1: and that in that community was an amazing community. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, like I had a lot of great relations
Speaker 1: from Rock you know. Um, so I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: we're done. We're done grieving what we were doing. Who
Speaker 1: the fucking sauce of wards? Fucking That's what it was.
Speaker 1: Same thing. I was there for a couple of days
Speaker 1: and got it in the reason fucking Miami. Man' here.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm not fucking getting in trouble. I'm here,
Speaker 1: find me man. Man. He was like, man, I'm I
Speaker 1: just feel that something I need to do. And brigs like, man,
Speaker 1: we will talking about that. So were like in my
Speaker 1: mind like man, coaching, I'm gonna talk about of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm watching the sauce of awards. Done give a well one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he is a legend. He is. Somebody said
Speaker 1: you want I'm like, you know what, I love rapping
Speaker 1: at this point. You know, I want to do both.
Speaker 1: I want to play. You're rapping how I want to
Speaker 1: do it, and you can't do that as a baller,
Speaker 1: right Like we love like Damian Lille, Kevin Durant, all
Speaker 1: these guys, Kobe Brown, RP, Brother Stack, Jack Baron, Davis,
Speaker 1: Elton Brand got some good music that nobody ever heard that.
Speaker 1: I've heard thirty songs. B B. He's an amazing guy.
Speaker 1: He's so professional, always been since he was a kid,
Speaker 1: like Ada, never in trouble. Yeah, amazing guy. Played with
Speaker 1: this guy for five years, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was it was. It was amazing, just so
Speaker 1: many different experiences. Man, Um, sometimes I do. I heard
Speaker 1: I stay on the show, and I was watching like
Speaker 1: all your shows. I was like, um, yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: your question. I was unless that's how here right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was watching it. You was on
Speaker 1: that given the way at water, I'm like, he really
Speaker 1: motherfucking went to the sauce of I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was harmeful because, like you know, I was doing other things.
Speaker 1: You know, we weren't like we know, we weren't really
Speaker 1: tripping like you know what I'm saying. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a shock to everybody. How long until you came
Speaker 1: back to the team. Um it took me, um, well
Speaker 1: like maybe four days, five days, maybe three days. Wasn't
Speaker 1: that bad, you know, just his basketball is a fucking
Speaker 1: play at this point, I know how to do it.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this, but it was very disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the team, By the way, do you remember this? When
Speaker 1: I think this is like a little bit after that,
Speaker 1: And this might have been around that time practice about
Speaker 1: to start. On to myow, we didn't that warming up.
Speaker 1: Nobody see you, nobody heard from around. We all them
Speaker 1: blew your phone up and you normally I saw all
Speaker 1: our cars like ship man, Well this motherfucker at Man
Speaker 1: were in there, bring it in. We walk up everybody, one,
Speaker 1: two three, so as we say team, this motherfucker hits
Speaker 1: the garage door boom, practice uniform already on air force
Speaker 1: once church socks, let's go, let's go and s nothing
Speaker 1: bro and got to went to work and practice dogess
Speaker 1: and ones with church socks. No take, no nothing broon,
Speaker 1: he said, he the dog boom, Let's go. Like I'll
Speaker 1: be at the club in Indiana to like three in
Speaker 1: the morning and we go right to the gym at
Speaker 1: that point in time, like I was shot at that time.
Speaker 1: So I was playing well, but you know, I love
Speaker 1: the game and I felt like I was always ready
Speaker 1: to play some I'm like, what we understood? What now?
Speaker 1: We knew one thing about it regardless what was going on.
Speaker 1: When games start, we can count on it on both ends.
Speaker 1: And it ain't too many people, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It ain't twenty people in the league I played with
Speaker 1: that I can say that I played on some good
Speaker 1: teams with me and you and beating some guys, the
Speaker 1: defenders that really approached the game with the same attitude
Speaker 1: we all apposted the same way. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: At all costs, were going, We're gonna give everything we got.
Speaker 1: It's very few people like that, but we knew we
Speaker 1: can count on him down. And I knew from me
Speaker 1: intimidating guys, I knew how people were scared of him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He getting tend to twelve
Speaker 1: points just out of layups because Jamal tens is one
Speaker 1: of the best pass in the world. So he's sailing.
Speaker 1: It's a post play we run where I run across
Speaker 1: the screen for him. If my man switches the two
Speaker 1: guard on him, if the three guard don't switch, the
Speaker 1: roan got himsels under basket, Jamal tens just giving to
Speaker 1: end up get twelve points a game. Jamal Tensley like
Speaker 1: great on Lebrun, Oh my god, he would have been great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian had a lot of great point guards. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you're screening and getting position, you
Speaker 1: know all that he just find all you gotta go
Speaker 1: up eight points like that every game. Every game he
Speaker 1: got about eight points. We had a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that understood you too on our team. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we all come from the same walks of life.
Speaker 1: But like even when you go off the rail, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we understood you. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I feel appreciated about you guys that stop. When I
Speaker 1: wined the championship with the Lake is the first thing
Speaker 1: I think was Indiana. I went to a whole was
Speaker 1: going to the whole other bunch of ships at that
Speaker 1: time due that whole time. It was crazy, but I
Speaker 1: was getting through it as Dannie Washing held us down.
Speaker 1: To Dannie Walsh, amazing guy, he held us down, amazing guy,
Speaker 1: like a dad, like you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: one thing I mean, you learn more than ever today's
Speaker 1: You just never know what someone else is going through,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And in the grieving process
Speaker 1: and the understanding process is different for everybody. Like you said,
Speaker 1: you had to bounce to Miami to clear your head.
Speaker 1: You just left your grandma. You're clear, and then you
Speaker 1: came back and went to work. But you just never
Speaker 1: know on a day to day basis what someone else
Speaker 1: is going through. So you try to try to be
Speaker 1: good everybody if you can. Yeah, definitely, absolutely, But it
Speaker 1: was still but everybody, every basketball player is different. R really,
Speaker 1: we all know people on teams, so you know, but
Speaker 1: it was still good to be like that from a
Speaker 1: basketball standpoint. It was still solid. It was still up.
Speaker 1: I had to think Indiana because I know as a kid,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the best, and I had a
Speaker 1: chance to be the best there. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: about it, that's a big accomplishment for me to even
Speaker 1: though I went the other way. So I always church that,
Speaker 1: you know, um, Isaiah Thomas gave us this thing before
Speaker 1: that said championship, like that's what everybody was thinking. I
Speaker 1: was a little disruptive. You know. They fired Isaiah at
Speaker 1: one point in time because it wasn't no chemistry between us.
Speaker 1: So you know, but I got a lot of love Indiana.
Speaker 1: I can go on and on Indiana. Ask question docs
Speaker 1: I got, I got another, I got a couple of
Speaker 1: most stories. So I'm gonna keep so we all get
Speaker 1: to y'all, I think we gotta do more on this.
Speaker 1: We gotta get in depth on this next question. I
Speaker 1: mean the game against obviously, it started in the Eastern
Speaker 1: Finals the year before Jack comes that next season and
Speaker 1: then you guys get in a tool with you know,
Speaker 1: the Infamous Malice and the Palace talked, I'm gonna both
Speaker 1: y'all just talk to me about because I remember where
Speaker 1: I was at at the two. I was the Sacramento
Speaker 1: at the time. I was a Sacramento at the time.
Speaker 1: And it was at halftime of the game, and you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the TV beyond and all of a sudden we
Speaker 1: see a fight in the whole team, coaching staff and
Speaker 1: all we come back in the game and relate to
Speaker 1: the second half because we're watching you guys fight. It
Speaker 1: was just it was it was the attention. You could
Speaker 1: feel it before in the warm ups, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know the magnitude of the attention, which we had a
Speaker 1: robber between them to you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gang, I'm down this inside, I'm on.
Speaker 1: I'm righting, you know, Riff, And that's my boys even trying,
Speaker 1: that's that's my bars. I'm cool with them. But at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, how we ride we on this side.
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking, Alady to put you in that position.
Speaker 1: That's why, because I don't know. I'm happy. I'll hearnthon,
Speaker 1: wasn't they all? So I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what he would have done, and I was, I'm sorry, abou,
Speaker 1: like I know, you're a real one, and I knew,
Speaker 1: like if anything happens, we're gonna jump in and you know,
Speaker 1: and that's when I learned a lot from that. I
Speaker 1: don't take my friends out, sorry, my certain friends at
Speaker 1: that time. I always make sure we was in the
Speaker 1: best spots and I don't even have security comes sometimes
Speaker 1: just to protect my friends. And you told me that
Speaker 1: after after right after that, I get what I get
Speaker 1: to what he told me after that. But you can
Speaker 1: feel attention, bro, you know what I'm saying that, Like
Speaker 1: I knew it was a good team. Everybody saying we
Speaker 1: could possibly win the championship. So this game against him
Speaker 1: measuring instead right, and we end up we're blowing him out.
Speaker 1: Were blown to my blowing him out. He had a
Speaker 1: great game. I had a good game. What what part
Speaker 1: of the season was that? It was just like nineteen
Speaker 1: games in November, Yeah, November November, not even Christmas ship Christmas, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we had we we was like what four or
Speaker 1: five games about five? Yeah, He's like we were seven
Speaker 1: two yeah something like yeah. So we was on a
Speaker 1: good start. I remember the end of the game. I'm
Speaker 1: at the free throw line. I turned around. I had
Speaker 1: Jamal say something to you next to you know, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I go out Ben, because I didn't know exactly what
Speaker 1: he said. You know what up? But I know bullshit
Speaker 1: because I know Jamal. He had me on bullshit and
Speaker 1: get san Antonio. So I know the team you play.
Speaker 1: If you if you got any type of ship you
Speaker 1: want to get off your chest during the game, Jamal
Speaker 1: is gonna be the one to remind you. Okay, trust me.
Speaker 1: He don't forget nothing. So I caught him and I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: I got Ben, So look now you go, I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened here before that. Yeah, he was just
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story quickly. And you said, I
Speaker 1: know you said no easy baskets. Yea, even if we up,
Speaker 1: no easy basges. And I just let Ben go by
Speaker 1: score because I'm trying at the time right out you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm trying to just let it,
Speaker 1: let the clock. We get out of here, and Ron
Speaker 1: comes piusing and I remember saying it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: that that reaction was the same reaction like James, because
Speaker 1: I didn't really flush hit and he wouldn't have a
Speaker 1: not it was. You can look at it closely. I
Speaker 1: was right next to you. You look at he dropped
Speaker 1: like a sack of potato. I hate that image is
Speaker 1: one of my wife. That's sometimes I hate that image.
Speaker 1: But it was like James Harden gave me a little nudge, right,
Speaker 1: a little nudge. It wasn't that big. The same thing
Speaker 1: I did with been Well. I shouldn't have brought that up,
Speaker 1: but uh, you want to talk about it, I can
Speaker 1: talk about it, by the way, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I just laughing, Matt, What are you dropping? Like? Matt?
Speaker 1: You know what? I meant to do it right there?
Speaker 1: So I meant to get there right now. But because
Speaker 1: you guys suspended for the playoffs, and that funked us
Speaker 1: up to you, I don't get suspending for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened. I got spending for seven games.
Speaker 1: Was that before the playoffs? Yeah? One game and then
Speaker 1: I got to spending six games in the playoffs and
Speaker 1: I came game seven. It was tied up against Denver.
Speaker 1: In game seven, we won the game. But um, but
Speaker 1: so like when he when he nudged me, because I
Speaker 1: thought dunked it. I got the dunk, banged it. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh shift, I'm hyped up, two hyped, sucking
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. This is what's really happen. And I'm not
Speaker 1: blaming nobody. I'm telling the story and this is like, oh,
Speaker 1: but like Mike Brown comes to me, I'm in zen
Speaker 1: mode at this time, right, I'm trying to be meditated.
Speaker 1: You know, when I play with the straight faces, I
Speaker 1: don't try not to get too excited to play, you know,
Speaker 1: becauld you know, you'd be dunking on people like are
Speaker 1: you like you know, but I can't get that emotion.
Speaker 1: I don't because it's like it's too much emotion in
Speaker 1: the game and I want to just play in that set.
Speaker 1: I don't want no issues. Mike Brown says, Yo, I
Speaker 1: need more energy. Come on, I need that rock, you know.
Speaker 1: So I got a dunk, right, and at this moment
Speaker 1: James nudged me. I'm like, get off me. I thought
Speaker 1: it like I thought they'd been like his on the shoulder,
Speaker 1: like get like like just rubbed, get off, you know,
Speaker 1: not like an elbow. No, not right. So that kind
Speaker 1: of hurt me a lot um But that was the
Speaker 1: same fat like a Ben Wallace. But if you see
Speaker 1: me with Ben Wallace, you up now. I didn't put
Speaker 1: it up. I want like this because I was gonna
Speaker 1: say my bad at that point because and when he
Speaker 1: pushed me, I'm like, all right, venus man, right, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I didn't want I wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: get been mad. He was mad. There was mad, and
Speaker 1: his parents just passed. He was just too, he was
Speaker 1: I didn't Yeah I didn't. Yeah, it was death too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like, oh I
Speaker 1: found out. I found out later. So but for me,
Speaker 1: this is me and been Willace Beef as basketball. He's
Speaker 1: getting Defensive Player of the Years and I want that,
Speaker 1: that simple one, right, Yeah, yeah, I was gonna get it.
Speaker 1: I led the league in text flagrants. Media is not
Speaker 1: voting for you know how that goal and you you
Speaker 1: wildn't know it was for you, buddy. So he was close.
Speaker 1: And then I came back and got it the next year.
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it again. He got it when
Speaker 1: I got to spend it. Yeah, yeah, he would all
Speaker 1: get that, right, He's a great That was then opportunity
Speaker 1: right there. So I think that's where you know, we're
Speaker 1: on the what me and bend and guard each other
Speaker 1: and we was busting the ass. But sometimes me and
Speaker 1: Ben will get into the mix. So we have pushed.
Speaker 1: It seems strong, you know what I mean, Like we
Speaker 1: heard the two best defenders in the league. If we
Speaker 1: don't and I don't, I can't do what he do
Speaker 1: rebound and I'm not. That's not what I do. He's
Speaker 1: amazing at that. But on this side, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is me right here, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I really hope he makes a Hall of Fame, like
Speaker 1: I really do him. You know, actually he's a whole famous.
Speaker 1: This is not I've never talked to him. He did
Speaker 1: say one thing, which I get it. He's a he was,
Speaker 1: He's a real he's a real one. But he did
Speaker 1: say like one things that you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: care what Metas Goron is going through. Somebody asked me question.
Speaker 1: He don't tell. He don't talk about it much. He
Speaker 1: don't talk about it much. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Everybody is different, you know, but that personality
Speaker 1: after he pushed you, we all knew. Yeah, even you're
Speaker 1: talking about you saying therapy helped you we all knew
Speaker 1: what you were supposed to be doing, Like when you
Speaker 1: get to the point where you got mad, so we
Speaker 1: all knew what you was going do. You gonna go
Speaker 1: somewhere and sit down, So we knew we knew he
Speaker 1: was going to do that. Thank you, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We all knew, I know, the world didn't
Speaker 1: know you was gonna go lay on the table. We
Speaker 1: knew you you was gonna go isolate yourself, and that's
Speaker 1: why we all knew that. So when you when you
Speaker 1: put the headphones on and Reggie went Reggie went planting
Speaker 1: so regiment right on topic, right by you and put
Speaker 1: his hand on your chest. Because we all knew, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we're supposed to do the world
Speaker 1: and no, you know what I'm saying. So everybody thought
Speaker 1: he was being an asshole, you know something about putting
Speaker 1: the headphones on, so that I think that piste being
Speaker 1: off when he started throwing throwing more stuff at him
Speaker 1: and then at him though this is crazy. At this point,
Speaker 1: the referee did a harbor job or moving everybody. So
Speaker 1: what was what you was thinking of when that was happening. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, at that point I got hit me in
Speaker 1: the eye. Hit me in the eyes. So now I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: what the funk like this? And I'm talking to it.
Speaker 1: So anyways, it's too much promotion. The rest I thought,
Speaker 1: you say, you know when somebody does something that out
Speaker 1: and let's call them off. I've seen this happen before.
Speaker 1: I've seen referees go and they sprint to a position
Speaker 1: where they get some space, you know, the funny, and
Speaker 1: they're going out of here. You know, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: got their little moods. Boys, I love them. I got
Speaker 1: a great relationship with the refs, but you know, they
Speaker 1: really entertaining none of that. Where is that? Where was that?
Speaker 1: So ben still and stuff? And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: a motherfucking beer comes down. Oh my goodness, and you
Speaker 1: see what did you see? Who thought what hand was raised?
Speaker 1: How did you know what direction it came from? I
Speaker 1: thought it was Randy Johnson and Nolan Ryon. Perfect many
Speaker 1: mothers with precision right in the face. Didn't waste nothing
Speaker 1: like he followed throat with their mother Like, yeah, for
Speaker 1: real that it dead owned dog about six rolls up.
Speaker 1: Perfect hid definitely Randy Johnson. There's only a few people
Speaker 1: that could, like Steve Nash, a perfect path. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But it was crazy because I was leaving in the
Speaker 1: direction this way when I got hit. I was always
Speaker 1: just bullshit, I'll get tired, right, So and I turned.
Speaker 1: I saw it. It came from side this poin. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about that, you know, I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: being at this. I saw you just hear what a
Speaker 1: fucking bear, right, So I learned. I turned and this
Speaker 1: guy wasn't like this, right, So I'm like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: you hit me. Ain't nobody hit a three right now?
Speaker 1: You know if I hit a three? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, it is not like Mike Tyson's in there.
Speaker 1: He had a jag. He knocks out someone and the
Speaker 1: fans is chairing. This is basketball, right, right. So when
Speaker 1: I seen how you did it, simple math man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Okay, So I go after him.
Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't go up there like hit up
Speaker 1: buck pong. I went up there to shake him, like hell,
Speaker 1: but really a good shake. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't don't this guy? Right. So, So anyway, then the
Speaker 1: guy who actually hit me, that was John he he
Speaker 1: grabbed me, he stopped. I'm thinking he grabbed me to
Speaker 1: be like all right, fights over. It's crazy. So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody please give me and I act like I want
Speaker 1: to fight like you, and then he stopped putting me right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is fucking bullshit. At this point,
Speaker 1: you know all that's going on, I'm laying people. I
Speaker 1: don't know above you. I didn't laid somebody out. When
Speaker 1: I saw you, I'm like, oh, what could I get? Jack?
Speaker 1: And I thought about so much ship at that point,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is because we're London. We're gonna lose
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I'm trying to get out of
Speaker 1: home work and just I can't believe I just I
Speaker 1: lost somebody. I'm not paying some money soon. When you
Speaker 1: when when you went Roy, it wasn't just me, the
Speaker 1: whole team, team, the whole team. But when I got
Speaker 1: on that road, when when when he grabbed you, I'm
Speaker 1: the first one and I grabbed you too. But what
Speaker 1: they never talked about wrong is another bell came in
Speaker 1: your face. No, yeah, that one was that one. I
Speaker 1: was really really latest ass out yo. See listen, I
Speaker 1: never wanted you to do that I grabbed you first.
Speaker 1: As soon as I grabbed you, the other bearer came.
Speaker 1: He was right. I know that I couldn't let that right.
Speaker 1: I can let that ride when I've seen that. I
Speaker 1: don't like y'all. My goodness, this is out of control.
Speaker 1: This is out of control. But why did you throw
Speaker 1: a bear in my face? Man started it? They started?
Speaker 1: What's going on there? That's what's happening. I'm trying. I
Speaker 1: want to get out of there, like like we got bread,
Speaker 1: were supposed to be a man, did a lot of money,
Speaker 1: a little somebody us. Get out of here. We upset
Speaker 1: right now, go home to our nice houses and out
Speaker 1: get the out we got here with every refreshment in
Speaker 1: the in the concession stand on the way out. And
Speaker 1: then what's crazy? Is my goodness? I was crazy? That
Speaker 1: was well. Actually before that, the guy that comes on
Speaker 1: the court, you get the tangled with him. Come on, man, like,
Speaker 1: so I'm walking down right as I'll walk it down.
Speaker 1: We never got a chance to talk together. First time
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this, and we're all all the smoke too, right,
Speaker 1: So so I'm like, okay, I'm mad. I'm from Queensbridge, right,
Speaker 1: cool it happened up there. Nothing else is gonna happen
Speaker 1: because no one's gonna dare come next to me. Who
Speaker 1: would I gonna make these guys coming? And I'm thinking like, okay,
Speaker 1: he's mad right now, right, he's mad. Right, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe he's just like wanna go, Oh maybe we wanna go,
Speaker 1: like you man, what you're doing? Man? You know, like
Speaker 1: something like that, like a chess boke, And I'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: to get on my face. He find the face right,
Speaker 1: he comes like this, what the fist? Right? So I'm like, oh, ship, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm hitting. But luckily I know to box a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I was in the stands like this've been with
Speaker 1: the right straight right? You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: gave him a straight right. I gave straight right, and
Speaker 1: but it was water on the floor at the whole time.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of barrels. Immediately when I see him
Speaker 1: and I'm about to push him, I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: try to swim, I'm gonna false. I just I just
Speaker 1: kind of let my foot just gotta chill out so fall,
Speaker 1: you know. And then Jermaine see this, Jermaine comes in there,
Speaker 1: sake the lord the ground that No, it didn't. It didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't stop nothing. Yeah, but if he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to follow through with no fall, he must left
Speaker 1: that on the stretcher. Yes, bro, he still left him
Speaker 1: up on the stretcher. So this is what's happening. People
Speaker 1: can see that, right, this is what's happened at this point.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, oh my goodness, my same thoughts was
Speaker 1: up there, same thoughts of Jamaine. Jamain is a leader.
Speaker 1: He's a superstar. He's a superstar, right, and just like, um, fuck,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying this, this is happening right now.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be in trouble for this. Yea, even though
Speaker 1: I know I was like, this is a reaction, like
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let your friends get hurt, right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like kind in the centator. I feel bad, but
Speaker 1: I see what they do becase I would have did
Speaker 1: it too, anybody. I would have been up there too.
Speaker 1: It's something different with I get the funk out there,
Speaker 1: you know. But the fact that it was you was
Speaker 1: like the problem. I feel like this. It was just
Speaker 1: like I didn't expect that, you know what I'm saying, Well,
Speaker 1: I know you didn't because when we got in the
Speaker 1: locker room. This, this is how I know you didn't
Speaker 1: expect it, because we're in the locker room right first,
Speaker 1: this is the first so you know, now you know
Speaker 1: how Jamal is. He laughs at everything. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you shot. And as soon as he finds out
Speaker 1: you are right, he crying laughing to my hat. So
Speaker 1: he come in the locker room, he crying, laughing, and
Speaker 1: it's it's always like this, JT me run. That's how
Speaker 1: a lockers are always are. So he said, I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I didn't know we had this many real niggers on
Speaker 1: the team. My bad. This we that's the Jamal. I'm
Speaker 1: to my laud bro. We just got the brawl. He crying, laughing.
Speaker 1: So he called the runs it back. He's like, then
Speaker 1: runs it back. He's like, Jack, do you think we're
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble? I say, trouble, but we might
Speaker 1: not have a job. He's like, yeah, you're right something right.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is my thing with that? He's
Speaker 1: so funny by the way, and yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Yeah, you're right, because it hit it
Speaker 1: was like you right, something might have a job. You
Speaker 1: got how many games you get? I got thirty? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you got how many the rest of the
Speaker 1: season two or something. I don't know. Some bullshit sun
Speaker 1: up our whole season. Man. We didn't deserve that, man,
Speaker 1: because the end of the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: was at work. A beer came from out the stands
Speaker 1: while we was at work. He did his job, he
Speaker 1: had calmed down. The referee did a harbor job once
Speaker 1: being pushed him in the face, a good job, escorton
Speaker 1: being whoever else was involved Off the court, none of
Speaker 1: that ship wouldn't happened. But they let all that ship
Speaker 1: linger so long. They get the fans got into it,
Speaker 1: and they was able to throw the You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That ship led to all that ship. But
Speaker 1: if they would have did their job from the jump,
Speaker 1: you know, because people get into entanglements all the time
Speaker 1: down the court, entanglements shout out to Jayden win straight up.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, we look back and we
Speaker 1: laugh now. But and you spoke on this, and we
Speaker 1: spoke on this before. I feel like, as someone competing
Speaker 1: against you guys, that was a black mark obviously on
Speaker 1: your resume and it held you back from a lot
Speaker 1: of accolades. You should have received a lot more accolades
Speaker 1: and All Star appearances, Defensive Player of the Year, First
Speaker 1: Team All Defense. I think there were things you guys
Speaker 1: could have did, and that was really a black mark
Speaker 1: on like your report card, especially with him, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I know I missed a couple, but we both know
Speaker 1: the player he was, motherfucker, and he should definitely have
Speaker 1: five Defensive Player of the Years and a couple more
Speaker 1: championship but they overshadowed his great play by the little
Speaker 1: mistakes he may not really just being misunderstood. And you
Speaker 1: know what, you ain't able to be an example, and
Speaker 1: just like it's an experience and we see it happen
Speaker 1: with him and beings all the time, right, people don't
Speaker 1: do different things and and it sports so many different
Speaker 1: things happened. So you know what, I was a part
Speaker 1: of one of those instances, you know, one of those
Speaker 1: problems and issues or I'm a stat with that. But
Speaker 1: you just get back. You're an example, and you just
Speaker 1: get back. So it's like I kind of I kind
Speaker 1: of don't I kind of enjoyed the fact that I'm
Speaker 1: able to give back and help people with different issues
Speaker 1: and stuff they have in sports and different things. So
Speaker 1: that's how I look at it now. I definitely went
Speaker 1: through go through it, so they won't go through it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: from it. So the aftermath of the malice, um you
Speaker 1: end up leaving? How long after that? When you when
Speaker 1: do you go to year? And then? So now what
Speaker 1: happened was we came back playing well, he balling people.
Speaker 1: It wasn't great, and I request the trade because I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm at that point, I'm entitled and was
Speaker 1: there fishing in the locker room between because he was gone.
Speaker 1: We end up making the playoffs. I came back, We
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, made a nice in the run. We
Speaker 1: would have had him, we would have made a run.
Speaker 1: He was just still a missing piece. But I was
Speaker 1: still going through things emotionally. I'm just like every little
Speaker 1: thing bothered me. I was drinking about acohol at that point,
Speaker 1: so you think, like alcohol and everything better at that point,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't, you know what I'm saying. You're thinking
Speaker 1: like you just go out party and that's gonna make
Speaker 1: everything okay. So things are still paling on at that time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I request the trade
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm like Ship, I'm in a contract
Speaker 1: for three more years, a lot of things. Everything is
Speaker 1: bothering me, you know what I'm saying, like just give
Speaker 1: me some money right now, and I'm thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about I'm playing um also, and then a
Speaker 1: bunch of other Ship and Jail went on the same page. Either.
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't have apologize to the guys like we weren't.
Speaker 1: No problem is just you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ship that that was happening. It
Speaker 1: was tension because I'm and then I feel like I
Speaker 1: fucked and what actually wasn't the problem is all in
Speaker 1: my fucking head. But tell you the truth, because we
Speaker 1: didn't see no problem, like I didn't know it well,
Speaker 1: well for me, it was a problem like not you
Speaker 1: guys me like I was going through so much, you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm looking for excuses at this time to escape,
Speaker 1: you know. But so I just requested the trade. What
Speaker 1: you doing? We was all I was hurt, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's what it was. And and
Speaker 1: then I then I'm still I didn't apologize for that,
Speaker 1: like just so much ship, so I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: to get out of here. These guys don't like me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean something like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and just trying to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have wanted Donnie Walshing said, Donnie,
Speaker 1: I once I did. I did so much. I've been
Speaker 1: through so much. He I think I should I think
Speaker 1: you should trade me, Like I wish I would have
Speaker 1: did something like that, rather than be like, you know,
Speaker 1: going to the media, go to me. Yeah, the officers open,
Speaker 1: you can go. There's no locks on the office. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna dare the jams canna come out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you this because he Jail probably never told you this,
Speaker 1: but I know why Jail was hurt. It wasn't because
Speaker 1: of anything you did or asking for a trade. It's
Speaker 1: just that the fact that, you know how we all knew,
Speaker 1: especially him, I want to win the championship. We knew
Speaker 1: with you we had a great chance. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: knew that. You know what I'm sa He knew that, bro,
Speaker 1: And with our whole team to like Ron leaving his motherfucker,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be twenty times harder now, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We we had we had we had a unicorn.
Speaker 1: He was a unicorn. Since let me getting your flowers,
Speaker 1: you know what this we liked a lot of like
Speaker 1: to have a lot of y'all on here. Bro, You
Speaker 1: was a unicorn. It wasn't nobody your size that could
Speaker 1: defend all positions and that could score on anybody every night.
Speaker 1: And when you left our team, like we all understood, like, damn,
Speaker 1: we're losing one of the best players in the league,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was Jail never
Speaker 1: told you that, but that was he was because of that,
Speaker 1: because we're losing something. We're losing you know. I think
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, But he was because Jail
Speaker 1: is the leader. He knows he's a real friend, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if you're going through anything,
Speaker 1: you can talk to Jail about anything, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So yeah, of course, but you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was doing so much. I felt like, um,
Speaker 1: nobody was ever going to be my friend, you know what,
Speaker 1: like you, and I wanted to like I wish I
Speaker 1: could just like real quickly, like hey, I'm sorry about that,
Speaker 1: and I'll move on that side. And I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. That's why I love
Speaker 1: the NBA. Now I got a differ perspective on you
Speaker 1: know how these guys are friends. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying when I look at that him like, that's dope
Speaker 1: because because we as ball as you know, we're going
Speaker 1: through a journey. We got kids like things. So I
Speaker 1: respect that. I wish i'd do that more so. Sacramento
Speaker 1: brief stint. Get to Houston, yell mean Tea Mack. He
Speaker 1: talked about t Mac talked about when you came. He
Speaker 1: was excited because he thought you could have been the
Speaker 1: mixing piece to them. But then he got hurt and
Speaker 1: he got it and it was crazy. I was cooking
Speaker 1: at this point in time. I get I get to
Speaker 1: the Rockets and before I call them, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put too much things out there, but it was
Speaker 1: money offer it that it's okay, But I don't care
Speaker 1: because you know, it's all perspective, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: But I go to Houston thinking some things that happening.
Speaker 1: If I playing well, things don't work out. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm cooking and UM come in, I'm averaging two points
Speaker 1: like eight minutes. Okay for like fifteen games. But I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm actually I'm more I'm more mature at this point,
Speaker 1: so I'm going hard in that at that time, but
Speaker 1: I'm not playing. Shane is playing in front. Tea Mac
Speaker 1: playing in front, So I'm damn I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: a contract. You know, we know that. Go Tea Mac
Speaker 1: is hurt. Um and then I come in. I think
Speaker 1: I like twenty come in there. Um yeah, I was
Speaker 1: cooking and we were rolling. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We get to we get to the playoffs. We beat
Speaker 1: the beat We beat uh my brother. I love Brandon
Speaker 1: Roy he played by the way Louis Stola, Aaron Brooks
Speaker 1: sold these guys, Kyle Lowry, these guys played well. But
Speaker 1: we beat that team, getting six. Yeah, at home, caught advantage.
Speaker 1: We go to the Lakers. We beat the Lakers by
Speaker 1: twenty game one, Um yeah, it's unbelievable. At this point,
Speaker 1: Lake has come back, beat us game to game three,
Speaker 1: be back at home, y'all breaks his foot game one
Speaker 1: and we still go to game seven. I was averaging
Speaker 1: like twenty two or something like that in the series.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, so it was a good time. It
Speaker 1: was so I really I really try those moments because
Speaker 1: that's my that's my trophies. I love basking. Don't kid
Speaker 1: like I really not all the time talking about like ship,
Speaker 1: but I look at YouTube and you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of I try to enjoy what you can enjoy. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I don't think he realized that. And you got this
Speaker 1: much respect because like Jack said that, like you were
Speaker 1: hands down one of the best players in the league.
Speaker 1: Like you didn't get recognized or spoken on, but motherfucker's
Speaker 1: did played that thing. Know that you could put up
Speaker 1: twenty anytime. And you have the craziest hands I've ever
Speaker 1: been around, as far as you'll take it from you
Speaker 1: when you were right in front of you when you're
Speaker 1: right saw us battles and practice rohna. Let you sometimes
Speaker 1: go past you just so we could wipe around and
Speaker 1: grab that ship. So being Matt used to shoot after
Speaker 1: every practice, we stay like five in the row. It
Speaker 1: was fun. We're gonna get to that. So what was
Speaker 1: your because I know my incident with Code and he
Speaker 1: ended up following me to get to the Lakers. You
Speaker 1: guys had an incident where you put hands on him
Speaker 1: during the playoffs and then that it was closet. I'll
Speaker 1: show you know what you guys got into it. So
Speaker 1: what I'm saying was, so how did that end? Because
Speaker 1: you ended up with him the next year? Yeah, my brother,
Speaker 1: And how did that happen? So check us for me
Speaker 1: and co covid. You know, Cope is nice, you know
Speaker 1: the same thing, and he's sucking me up. He'd be
Speaker 1: right here. One time I knocked the win that that's
Speaker 1: the one. I almost tried to find him that game.
Speaker 1: But we've done the same thing to people, right, So
Speaker 1: at this point I get it. I went to the ref, man,
Speaker 1: that's my boy. But I go to the refer like, yo,
Speaker 1: did you not just see him do that? You know?
Speaker 1: Was like he said, no, I didn't see it. Right.
Speaker 1: So I go to Kobe. I'm like, my brother, I
Speaker 1: don't like you, don't ever do that again, my guy,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and then Kobe don't care, Kobe,
Speaker 1: focus on the game, right, Kobe's like, Kobe's uh killer
Speaker 1: different different right. And I interviewed Kobe actually that year
Speaker 1: I was in the league, I interviewed Kobe. I look
Speaker 1: like I was on Fox that's I look up to Kobe,
Speaker 1: but we're on the courts, is what it is. Right.
Speaker 1: So then the next year we took him the Game seven,
Speaker 1: Hell of a series. He was the title. I'm out
Speaker 1: at SLS Hotel, my boys. I get a call from
Speaker 1: um my agent. They said, you want to go to Lakers?
Speaker 1: They said, they said, the Lakers want to want to
Speaker 1: talk to you, And I said, for what, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean they want to talk to me about But
Speaker 1: um so then you know what I mean, man, this
Speaker 1: is kicking my ass and ship, right, So I wanted
Speaker 1: to go back to the trade well in the Anna,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to go. Yeah, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: want to do something some legacy, like let's do something different.
Speaker 1: So but they was like, I don't know right away.
Speaker 1: I have no teams, you know what I'm saying. Teams,
Speaker 1: I'm like disruptive. Now you think about it, like if
Speaker 1: I'm going on a team disruptive, other players are. The
Speaker 1: age is like, this is not the best fit for
Speaker 1: none of us. You know what I'm saying, It's not
Speaker 1: the best fit for none, but some people think it's
Speaker 1: a good fit, you know. So the Lakers, just like
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I said, whatever they want. He said, sorry,
Speaker 1: we can't pay you. I don't don't even worry about it.
Speaker 1: I ain't got no office. Well I really talk, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, don't even trip you. My man
Speaker 1: in first season? What is it like working with him
Speaker 1: day and day out and then you guys ultimately winning
Speaker 1: the absolutely and Kobe rp my brother Code, So you're there,
Speaker 1: You're a Laker. Now you're working with Code day and
Speaker 1: day out and you guys want to tiele. What was
Speaker 1: that experience? Like? It was amazing, you know. So he
Speaker 1: hit me up, you know, real quick, and then I
Speaker 1: think Magic hit me up real quick, you know, just
Speaker 1: get there. It was all business. I wanted to win
Speaker 1: the title. I was like, I never thought I'd be
Speaker 1: having opportunity when a title after all the ship I've
Speaker 1: done league, So it was just crazy. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. You know, I am doing
Speaker 1: the right thing at this point. I'm twenty nine years old.
Speaker 1: So practice was very competitive, right, you know, Kobe is
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And he was drawn. We
Speaker 1: had it gone sometimes, you know, which I missed those
Speaker 1: moments with Kobe and I'm just playing very well. And
Speaker 1: working hard in five thirty in the morning seeing him.
Speaker 1: In the first year, we got a ring, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was it was so hard won ring that
Speaker 1: got one. You got too, so you know I got
Speaker 1: one because so I came the next year. So the
Speaker 1: next year, I remember when the Orlando sho had happened
Speaker 1: with the ball figure I come the following year. But
Speaker 1: I just remember excited about playing with Covid, excited about
Speaker 1: playing with you too, because I thought between us three
Speaker 1: were three of the top five ten perimeer perimeter defenders
Speaker 1: in the game. So like, you know, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: remember when we would be out there kind of doing
Speaker 1: our thing and someone might get a bucket or too.
Speaker 1: Kobe would I want to take him, and then we
Speaker 1: would always trying to argue who was gonna take, So
Speaker 1: it was me and him and out there. But one
Speaker 1: thing I remember with that team though, practice are always
Speaker 1: really competitive, but you and Phil Jackson used to get
Speaker 1: into it a lot, and Phil used to challenge you mentally.
Speaker 1: You guys would go at and you would talk ship
Speaker 1: back to him too. I'd be like, oh, he just
Speaker 1: had that to feel. But you and Feel had like
Speaker 1: a unique relationship. Speak on your and fields relationship because
Speaker 1: it was unique. Like Ron cusses due out about his
Speaker 1: feet one time, I almost ship on myself and practice
Speaker 1: brother was insane. It was a great doesn't matter. Anybody
Speaker 1: know Phil and he gets unto everybody and sometimes but
Speaker 1: he's a great coach. You know. This is where we
Speaker 1: had we had together as coaches and players. He's doing
Speaker 1: this thing and he can push your buttons in a way,
Speaker 1: you know, get you focused in different things. And it's
Speaker 1: all for the team, all for the better amount of team,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But we had we had issue.
Speaker 1: You know, he uh was talking about my shoes. He
Speaker 1: would keep you calling me cement feet, right, so Phil
Speaker 1: called me cement feet. I hated it got on my
Speaker 1: fucking nerves so and then everybody would laugh and I
Speaker 1: know everybody laughing because it called me simithy. So I
Speaker 1: got in his face one day. I was talking to
Speaker 1: everybody in practice one time and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we almost beat your last year with the rockets, fucking bush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like enough, it's enough. Like no, it ain't
Speaker 1: enough to say it's enough and not in people face
Speaker 1: it but you're not like this, but just like walking
Speaker 1: like just like talking like this, not like that, not
Speaker 1: like that, because I'm just talking like because I was
Speaker 1: competing against everybody at this point, because these guys are good,
Speaker 1: and I feel like you're picking on me, and I
Speaker 1: feel like you don't think I'm nice and I'm only
Speaker 1: averaging five points. There's a lot of ship that's building
Speaker 1: up at that point in time. But that's just going
Speaker 1: in my head. That's what's going on in my head.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, and flat that issue
Speaker 1: filled on home grudges though, I'm so happy. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy he understand on like what you're going through as
Speaker 1: long as you don't escalate. Um. I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of players gett into a Phil. How he handled a
Speaker 1: situation escalator, It's crazy, right, He's not afraid. He feels
Speaker 1: crazy by the way he seen Phil play. You ever
Speaker 1: seen Phil Jackson played basketball? He played like us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know what, when I was watching the Last
Speaker 1: Dance and I was watching how he did stuff to
Speaker 1: handle didn't trama, not that you're Dinner's rama, but he
Speaker 1: it was interesting because it made me instantly think how
Speaker 1: he would do stuff to you and get a reaction
Speaker 1: at you. But I would instantly. Even see it in practice,
Speaker 1: like it would be that faster switcher turn on or
Speaker 1: in the game he would say some ship to you
Speaker 1: would stare at him and you'd be super human. And
Speaker 1: it was amazing how he knew how to deal with
Speaker 1: everybody differently and got the best out of everyone differently,
Speaker 1: and he went about in different ways. Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1: I think. I thought it was great, man. I really
Speaker 1: was a fluence at that time. I was getting to
Speaker 1: Buddhism at that time, and I was like going through
Speaker 1: all these phases of like faith and belief and things
Speaker 1: like that. I was getting the Buddhism heavy at that time,
Speaker 1: and not have you but a little bit changed my
Speaker 1: name and meta. I really enjoyed the meditation. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing you know, singing bowls, listening to Tibetan music,
Speaker 1: you know, things to re last year. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm influenced by it, you know what I'm saying. And Uh,
Speaker 1: that's why I love Phil so much. I really thought
Speaker 1: it was a blessing, you know. I thought he was
Speaker 1: a blessing. Definitely great. You had a showtime dot quiet
Speaker 1: storm um with showtime with the family. Uh, tell us
Speaker 1: what that experience was like and yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: was a dope, super dope to tell your story quiet
Speaker 1: Storm is dope. Um. Bleacher Report first came, it was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we want to do a story on you. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want some money and what I want
Speaker 1: a story for. I'm not only I'm not a social
Speaker 1: I'm not an influence. I don't even want nobody talking
Speaker 1: about me. Yeah, I think the money. So we started
Speaker 1: we thinking that part out and then like I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about like I only want a documentary.
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 1: I don't want the documentary. I want to just chill.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we get to it. Right showtime comes in,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is crazy. This is I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn what you know what I mean? So we're about
Speaker 1: to do something else. But I've really wanted some of
Speaker 1: my other friends from Queen's was music on a documentary
Speaker 1: because when you talk on the documentary about it's a
Speaker 1: little more. I'm like, I ain't trying to tell you
Speaker 1: what the dude you listen to me, listen to me,
Speaker 1: you like, yeah, I know what, Yeah, I know what
Speaker 1: the phil you know what I'm saying, Um, but it
Speaker 1: was still a great doctor. That's to see when people
Speaker 1: are doing documentaries, when networks like it's a given take right,
Speaker 1: never putting up all the cash, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: listen and you give your input. Or they got a story,
Speaker 1: you got somebody telling the stories that they don't how
Speaker 1: to do it, you know what I'm saying. But so
Speaker 1: with that being said, a great experience. At this point
Speaker 1: we are getting nominated we you know, um on Hulu, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is crazy right from that standpoint, and then also
Speaker 1: I really people said they changed their lot. Some people
Speaker 1: said change my life. I'm like, oh wow, because people
Speaker 1: don't know I was going through all that at that
Speaker 1: time with the doctor. But at the same time it
Speaker 1: turned out great. It's a great message. Um, he had
Speaker 1: nae music, we had moved music, we had my cousin
Speaker 1: capone and yeah, you know, um, but it was great
Speaker 1: quiet storm, Um, great experience. I think. I think on
Speaker 1: the mental health side, I didn't want it to go.
Speaker 1: So it was supposed to be how I played ball,
Speaker 1: for one, So I didn't think doing a mental health
Speaker 1: doctor was gonna work. You know, I want I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a part of it. You know what
Speaker 1: I was saying, this new basketball, but it turned out great.
Speaker 1: It was important. I think, you know, it's something that
Speaker 1: that that is. Before if you spoke on it, it
Speaker 1: was a week it was weakness or you were showing weakness.
Speaker 1: But I think more it's coming to an age now
Speaker 1: where you can speak on it and realize, like you
Speaker 1: said throughout this whole interview that amongst your job, which
Speaker 1: is basketball, there's always ship going on in your life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's always something going on in your life. And I
Speaker 1: think people don't understand that no matter what is going
Speaker 1: on our life, good batty between, we still have to
Speaker 1: focus and try to be perfect on that basketball court
Speaker 1: because that's the job. But it's so much that goes
Speaker 1: into that actually happening that people have no idea. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: now that's true. So the Lakers win a championship uh
Speaker 1: this year? Uh in honor of our brother Cob obviously
Speaker 1: rest in peace. I read somewhere saw somewhere you said
Speaker 1: you smoked tan blust and party like you was on
Speaker 1: the squad. Let me tell you why I said that.
Speaker 1: Every time I said, I could like we've been through
Speaker 1: so much with this marijuana thing. Yeah, yeah, outside, we
Speaker 1: gotta put the weed down. Back in the days people
Speaker 1: on the jail from marijuana. So I'm like, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate the movement of cannabis. I appreciate the movement. And
Speaker 1: you know, I prefer not to speak. I prefer not
Speaker 1: to smoke like you know on like shows like this,
Speaker 1: but I respect what people doing, so I support. You
Speaker 1: know what I hasn't helped you, hasn't helped you at
Speaker 1: all with like you said, the mental health, mental focus
Speaker 1: any of that. I like CBD. I don't like the
Speaker 1: THHC as much because the T A C. For me,
Speaker 1: it takes you out of your mind a little bit,
Speaker 1: not much anybody like you can still smoke TASCO sometimes,
Speaker 1: but CBD I like it better because like if you're
Speaker 1: you know, working every day in office, like you don't
Speaker 1: want to be on TC all the time. So I like,
Speaker 1: now they got options and you see, like Viola has
Speaker 1: options and you know, in different levels for your mood,
Speaker 1: and these CBD products is like amazing, Like the whole
Speaker 1: thing is great. I think it's great. Some people don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. So that was all that was, honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't have Tim Blunt's at one or two happy
Speaker 1: for them to win. I had the other eight. Probably Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you needed help, I would have helped. Let's reflect
Speaker 1: on Cobe obviously tragically taken from us, him and Jianna
Speaker 1: and the other victims in January. Um, what was it
Speaker 1: like getting a chance to play with him and getting
Speaker 1: to know him better as a person. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: I had a great experience. You don't think somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: be not be here one day. It's really crazy, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: he's amazing player. I interviewed Kobe when I was with
Speaker 1: the Rockets when we had issues on the course, you
Speaker 1: know what. Like, but I looked up to I wanted
Speaker 1: him to know, like, I want to interview you like
Speaker 1: you don't understand has has how I compete against you
Speaker 1: on the court. It's not how I feel about you.
Speaker 1: So I was really honored up about that. But I
Speaker 1: never had I never we never did anything, but I
Speaker 1: fox put it together. I was like, can I please
Speaker 1: anthew Kobe like this right? Um? And I did it right.
Speaker 1: So Um, And there's a great experience playing with him,
Speaker 1: his hard work and just being being alongside of him.
Speaker 1: This is crazy, Like, yeah, Pippin was alongside Michael. Now
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm like Pipping what power was more
Speaker 1: like Pippen than I was like Pippen. I was like
Speaker 1: a three or fourth. I'm saying, like, it's amazing while
Speaker 1: I'm doing it with this guy. He worked hard, he
Speaker 1: respects me. Um, he's doing this thing. But you know
Speaker 1: he's also like giving you some shine in crucial moments
Speaker 1: when you didn't take a shot for a long time.
Speaker 1: He trust you, right, So it's amazing experience. And then
Speaker 1: I was able to have jenne him and had drinks
Speaker 1: with him at the end of his career just just
Speaker 1: like talk about things. Never had these moments, So that
Speaker 1: was was seeing that, seeing him how he was with
Speaker 1: the young guys later in his career much more like
Speaker 1: because you went back to the team, right, yeah, I
Speaker 1: went back to the team. He was more like having
Speaker 1: him under his wing and you know, anything to seeing
Speaker 1: what his family was amazing. To sitting here and passed
Speaker 1: was like really devastating. I mean something, I got a
Speaker 1: call from somebody I took to the game. I got
Speaker 1: a texted Kobe not here. I'm like, what, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So I called him. I don't know, only call him that.
Speaker 1: I texted Lou Williams like and KG, I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: did you hear this is it? Yes? This is real?
Speaker 1: This is real. You know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I said, it's probably not real. You know, we all
Speaker 1: went through every mond. It was crazy and was so
Speaker 1: so sad he's not. Yeah, but you know, um, he's
Speaker 1: just an amazing guy. And Gigi and the Briant family
Speaker 1: shout out to g and the Brant family. I heard
Speaker 1: about your experience. I didn't know about these experiences that
Speaker 1: you had with Kobe, like on the McDonald's game and stuff.
Speaker 1: This is crazy stuff out. I was like, wow, you
Speaker 1: you know, Jack was so happy because Jack always talked
Speaker 1: about the McDonald's MVP and he he said that the
Speaker 1: V every beginning we started this show, He's like, watch Kobe.
Speaker 1: Oh no. And sure enough, Coode said, I thought you
Speaker 1: want m VP Shi. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Remember it? Yeah, you remember it? You know, yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: rest in peace to code Man. It was it was fun,
Speaker 1: like I said, getting a chance to play with you
Speaker 1: and him and and just to like to see a
Speaker 1: competitive nature to all of us and even though like
Speaker 1: he was doing the bulk of our scorn and our
Speaker 1: job was to do what we do, he always wanted
Speaker 1: to do it for us. Let me take you. And
Speaker 1: I wanted a good teammate too, because you could play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when we when Kobe was out, alright, my brother Kobe,
Speaker 1: when he was out, we played well, right Kobe with
Speaker 1: my brother Kobe a little satellite. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: it is any time the star star goes out, that
Speaker 1: means you are least going to get three to five
Speaker 1: more shots, maybe more. So it was it was fun. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a good time. That's as a bench player.
Speaker 1: Be ready, just be ready. Just never know. Quick hitters.
Speaker 1: Top five artists. I know you have a ride range
Speaker 1: of music. Who's your top in your opinion? Your top
Speaker 1: five artists? Do they have to be rappers? Not any
Speaker 1: kind of music you like? Cool? So I got a
Speaker 1: bunch of them. Um I go top five? How ago
Speaker 1: like Mary J. Blige? Okay, um that's w V. I
Speaker 1: swear to you and then I would say, um um
Speaker 1: nas right, uns an amazing artist. This last album is unbelieving.
Speaker 1: I shoutout King disease like tragedy, Cat Fee from Queens Ridge,
Speaker 1: No artists, Lauren Hill, La Hill. That's a good round up.
Speaker 1: So that's like you, who's your top five NBA rappers?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, thank you. Top five NBA rapp sho
Speaker 1: number one? All right, then I would say I like
Speaker 1: Lou Williams a lot. I like Loue. Okay, so all
Speaker 1: listening parties and everything. Um, I would say Chris Copeland.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know about Chris, Chris Coblan
Speaker 1: nice um, Dame Dollar Okay, I go Dame dolland I
Speaker 1: go with Vic Victor, Victor Ladipo. Does he do R
Speaker 1: and B? Does he wrap? Shout out the big Man?
Speaker 1: He dope dope? And I really have probably listen to
Speaker 1: the music and now. Also, so that's top five. Put
Speaker 1: me on the spot. But I like lines those nice
Speaker 1: I never heard and you got some stuff. We actually
Speaker 1: did a song again, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: feel like badly is nice too. Yeah. I love music.
Speaker 1: I really like it. I like I like the athletes
Speaker 1: pursuing music. I like that that put their music out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I put it out. Yeah, just wrap everybody wrap, just
Speaker 1: put it off. Yeah, you put it out, put it
Speaker 1: just put it out. Yeah, don't hold on to your
Speaker 1: your dreams starting five to win a playoff series? You
Speaker 1: with you on the court, you me coing plus four? Cool?
Speaker 1: Are you going to war with? Okay? Cool? So me,
Speaker 1: I don't hate the type of questions. So people I
Speaker 1: play with, I mean me, stack you don't stack d
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know you're my man too, Matt,
Speaker 1: So I got stories, but this is about me. I
Speaker 1: guess all right, and so me and stat Um, I
Speaker 1: will go Kobe, Yeah, yeah, best. Who's your four? That's
Speaker 1: that's that's four right there? Who's your foreman? Or just
Speaker 1: who's my foreman? I don't have to be foreman. Who
Speaker 1: point sad? Somebody bring it up? Okay, you need more
Speaker 1: more player? I can play before one player. I would say, well,
Speaker 1: we'll play the fall. Nobody scho weren't on us? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my god? Five best ballers from the NYC. Um Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Joe Hammond. That's easy. First dance
Speaker 1: and then um lull cinder uh oh man, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say Michael Jordan Brooklyn. I would say it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna say that because he's going as
Speaker 1: a baby, all right, so from New York City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris Melon Krismolan had a really great career in New
Speaker 1: York City. Um, we we're just talking about the city.
Speaker 1: And then Kenny Anderson as a New York City guy,
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson, Yeah, yeah, I give you time to think,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Kenny Anderson's Kenny Anderson's New
Speaker 1: York City guy had an amazing um run, I think
Speaker 1: that's five. Because you know, Joe Hammond was one of
Speaker 1: the best from New York City and everybody else. So
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of video, but you hear
Speaker 1: these stories and for what I hear, Joe Hammond was
Speaker 1: like probably best, but you know, um real legit playing
Speaker 1: I obviously we all know the story with Pete Kirklin.
Speaker 1: You had to try out with the Lakes. Oh it
Speaker 1: was a monster. Felipe sorry, Felipe should be there. He's
Speaker 1: in there, in there, he's in there. Felipe as my brother.
Speaker 1: What name a player you wish you would have played
Speaker 1: within your prime? Man player I wish I had to
Speaker 1: play with in my prime. Well, it's not really nobody
Speaker 1: like when I was. When I was playing, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be a nobody's team. You know what, when
Speaker 1: I was playing, But that's such a dumb way to think,
Speaker 1: because the people on your team are really good too, right.
Speaker 1: So I was getting calls from a few players that
Speaker 1: you know, wanted me on a team, and I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: I need to beat you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, but it wasn't out of disrespect, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It wasn't out of disrespect. It was
Speaker 1: just competitive, you know, man um so and it's um so.
Speaker 1: That was it. I was jobbing nobody's team at that point.
Speaker 1: But I think Kobe was the one, was the one
Speaker 1: because the play with Lebron would have been amazing because
Speaker 1: like he's a mentor leader all his friends. You see
Speaker 1: his friends, you see all the yea. So that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that part of the game is super import
Speaker 1: I really, I'm sorry to go rambling off about that's good.
Speaker 1: Your dinner table dead or alive? Five people? You want
Speaker 1: to have an educational conversation with the dinner Dead or alive? Who?
Speaker 1: I say, Mozart, m you haven't had that one yet?
Speaker 1: I say that one. Maybe it's whoever was the king
Speaker 1: of our people before we brought here from Africa. I
Speaker 1: don't know his name, the King of Africa, don't even know. Well,
Speaker 1: it was our people before we got young American. Okay,
Speaker 1: save them a spot, alright. Cool. Um, I would say
Speaker 1: just say Massa Mussa. He was the richest black man ever. Okay, Massa,
Speaker 1: Let's go Massa Mosa. And I would say, Um, what's
Speaker 1: the other guy that does the science stuff? Bill n
Speaker 1: Not a black guy, the mathematician. Somebody knows names the Grassi. Okay.
Speaker 1: Then I will say, oh, Steven Spielberg, nice big movie.
Speaker 1: I love that one. That's gonna be interesting. I say,
Speaker 1: maybe right now, that's the wildest list I've ever heard.
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